its also bad when people say "ermm well uhh uhmm the bad jokes are fine because uhmm well lust ring you know and its hell and actually just shut up youre incorrect"
@@saulgoodmanactionfigure the amount of sex jokes in the show feels overboard. Like, it feels like it’s just trying sooo hard to be a mature show lol. Like ok yeah cool I get it, find a new joke pls. It’s fine to have those jokes, but there’s a point in time where it’s overused and just obnoxious.
I agree with all of these especially the villain problem. The issue with Helluva Boss is that this series has a "Villain of the week" type thing, but the difference with other Villain of the Week shows like Power Rangers is that they get rid of those villains in the same episode. However Helluva Boss has villains that are way too major to just be eradicated in one episode. Not to mention the series never hints back at those villains. They just appear when the writers want them to appear with no build up or anything.
It's not just villains either. The show really seems to have a problem with constantly Introducing new characters before really even exploring the ones they have.
People are allowed to have their own opinions i am my own opinion i don't really care if you don't like oh yeah here's the best part of whatever i don't care i have my own opinion you have your own
Being a Helluva Boss fan is suffering, having to deal with Vivzie’s thin skin, bad faith haters who think she’s the devil, and wishing the show utilizes its full potential. It hurts
@@ramuneravenTo be fair the times where she received criticism there were also times where she was sent some pretty vile stuff. Like recently a hater sent Viv a gore video about a cat in a blender. There’s another where someone told her to off herself. I think those are the reasons why she’s sensitive.
I think I'l say this again, but Blitzo and Stolas are _not_ childhood friends. They met for one day and Blitzo used Stolas to rob the royalties of the palace. Blitzo even points how they weren't.
But for Stolas they are, he said it himself. So from the beginning it was Stolas thinking that they share a bond and a feelings, which is contridicting with them being in just for sex. Like, yeah, Blitzo can think that it was just for it, but why until the 'date' he was only cracking sex jokes and showing he only wanted the d?
Fr the way the way they were set up made it out to be a one night stand with a rando, it was so simple but them being childhood friends actually ruined the mystery and complicated relationships they had and are suffering with.
@@TheUnmitigatedDawnsure but the fact that they’d met in the past and barely remembered each other was just not needed. Like they only added their childhood play date as a means of fan service rather than thinking of it it mattered to the story or not
that is true but the way blitzo is is bc of hos shit father and he learned everything from his father im not protecting but in a psychological pov like ig you taught a kid something and told them to do something they'd do it bc of their brains that can br easily manipulated
I think moxxie being in the mafia was cool, but they could’ve made them cooler, like without the dick jokes and that lame shark, at least they could’ve made the mafia scarier?
Not counting how those fish are for some reason higher in hierarchy and are in mafia, but gets fucked up by random imp (Millie) xD And there wasn't much foreshadowing, like how they at first said that Moxxie is from wrath, and his "deepest trauma" in the episode with agents, was just Blitz not appreciating him, and nothing about his past...
I highly agree that was one of the worst episodes. And as much as I love the designs of the sharks in that episode the character it himself was pathetic.
This show is so weird. They want to write drama and action but have no idea how to set up story or characters for a satisfying payoff later, they just...do the dramatic or action scene with hardly any buildup. Cool I guess. The lore is all over the place too. Hopefully they get better later but I'm not holding my breath lol
The show was originally supposed to be just an episodic dark comedy series (which is what I wished it stuck to), but I guess Viv just wanted to put some messy drama into it because Hazbin was taking forever to come out.
@@heyimadinobut then you can just adapt the story to incorporate the drama, or even shape the story around the drama - but instead we just get… drama without much of a story?
maybe because the show is unfinished. there was SO many changes from each episode it turnt the series into a mess. you cant even expect much its literally on youtube they barely are getting as paid as series in sites like hazbin hotel which DOES has good writing. yeah helluva isnt great but you really cant expect much from vivzie. having the show have good animation and songs is better than anything tbh.
Maaaaan, the thing that bugs me to no end about this show is how Vivzie just forces Stolitz to no bloody end, despite how absolutely toxic it is, to the point that it's willing to ruin characters, such as Stella and Stolas himself, to make sure it works out and people look at Stolas as a good boi who can do no wrong.
It's not a bad thing for people to view flawed characters with some positivity. Real life is a lot messier than the ideals you see online, sometimes you accept people despite some major flaws.
@@ZentaBon This argument only works with fan content, it doesn't work when talking about a relationship in the show that was supposed to be negative in the show due to 1. It basically being blackmail 2. a situation that Stolas was fucking over his wife and kid for (as Stella was written as the scorned wife similar to Ms. Mayberry in the first season) before season 2 suddenly undid all of this for a cliche and poorly done star-crossed childhood friends-to-lovers story where Stolas was getting away from his evil ex.
I have lost thousands of neurons waiting for the show of infernal hitmen with black humor to show infernal hitmen with black humor. You are a great content creator, and I hope you keep growing more and more, we might even hit it off someday. This video is a must send to all my contacts.
Goddamn, this thing so much. I was so excited after the 1st episode. With the 2nd I got "Hmm, strange we're getting such a character-centric episode - and centered around a secondary character - this soon, but I guess it's just a little derail". Then the 3rd made me say "Well, this isn't about killing a target I guess, but it still involves hitman business and it makes sense that not every single episode is gonna be about killing a target". Then the 4th episode was finally just like Episode 1, but unfortunatly it was pretty bad. And than Episode 5 comes around, and from then on there's just no more recover.
The only real problem I have with this show is that continutity is pretty much non-existant like you said in the video. But an example I would like to present is the Exes and Oohs episode. That was one of the best episodes of Season 2. And we don't even get a moment to see how Moxxie felt after that traumatic event. Let alone a mention.
That episode ended way too soon. We also didnt get jack shit about millie, like, ffs the episode begins with her pissed aat chaz, then they find out her and moxxie have the same ex, and then its never ever explained further. We know he did something bad to her, but we never get any info on it, shit...the m&ms never even TALK about it, they just say one line and then never again. After that its just a moxxie daddy issue episode. Make them two seperate episodes ffs
Viv's animation skills are insane. The fact she put all of this together is extremely impressive. But the writing in Helluva Boss is atrocious. She can't decide whether its a situation comdey with a seriel writing style, or an episodic relationship drama with deep comentary on class and sex. The newest episode is jarring when Blitz and Fiz are making snide remarks about eachother being sex slaves to Rich overlords. It's said like a joke, but Striker is genuinely right when he shuts them both up, telling them that they've betrayed Imps. We're 2 seasons in and we don't really know anything about actually living in hell. We don't know anything about Stolas's veiws on the class structure. A lot of serious questions are ignored because of Viv's weird decision to think of Helluva Boss as an extension of Hasbin Hotel rather than its own thing set in the same universe. We're told just to wait till the world gets fleshed out in Hazbin, as if that'll suddenly fix the glarring contradictions in Helluva Boss
Incase you haven’t noticed viz tends to wright before she thinks and likely just said “wait for hazbin” cause she couldn’t think of any excuse and didn’t want to sound incompetent
Vivienne doesn’t animate it herself, she hires people for that. She hires writers, music producers. All she does is direct the show and design some characters
@@sonicfanboy3375 it says "It's intented for mature audience" so not really precized age (teens would probably go 'I am mature enough'. or just ignore anyway)
After watching this vid, i totally agree with you. In your section of losing story, i feel like thats my biggest gripe with this whole series. I feel like they have forgotten the whole idea that they made, which was going up in the human world and killing people. I just wish during season 1 its just them fighting humans and getting more developed characters (millie loona and octavia. You just said everything thats on my mind so thank yoy
That’s the problem with most new shows they act like filler episodes are bad, you can’t have story without filler episodes to see what it’s like without important story being shoved in ur face
Here's some other points my friend and I noticed about the series- 1) It's specifically the queer men that get sexualised, barely any of the girls and women are. For example, when Moxxie is talking serious to his father and they added a joke where... certain objects popped up through every wall, completely killing the tone and how seriously the scene is to be taken. 2) The show wants people to pity Blitzo when he himself is a very toxic person that hurts the people around him, along with a few other characters. They portray the abuse Blitzo and Loona commit as comical a lot of the time and still treat them like they're just "flawed characters". 3) Some of the villains aren't even... villains persay. In Ozzie's episode, Millie and Moxxie are presenting romantic scenes so everyone can see in an establishment intended for sexual themes and atmosphere specifically. Ozzie and Fizzaroli are just doing their jobs when they try to get the two to stop their romantic musical number, it wasn't malice. There are plenty more flaws and bad aspects to the show and it's writing, but those are just a few I remember noticing and talking about. Honestly if they want to write a show about a toxic, flawed individual, they should see how Bojack was written to show that Blitzo's behaviour is not excusable. I get it's a show about Hell but even then they shouldn't try glorifying the things that happen there.
Not to be devil's advocate, but I dont totally agree with these points. 1. I've noticed this too, the male characters are getting sexualized much more. I'm not a huge fan but it's almost always the other way around where the female characters are sexualized at every corner and men cannot be sexualized ever. I'd prefer both to be sexualized, but only men being sexualized is pretty refreshing. 2. I mostly agree with this. I particularly hate that Loona is never held accountable and given the "been through the system and has trauma" excuse for why she's allowed to mistreat her friends. I think Blitzo is well-handled though. Flawed characters are perfectly fine as long as their actions are recognized as BAD, including from the cast of the show, and the bad characters suffer consequences for their actions. Blitzo is a good flawed character because this criteria is met and he's clearly suffering from his own actions. Loona is not. 3. Helluva has a range of villains and antagonists. Most of the villains (aside from Stella) aren't evil. They simply have contrasting motivations and desires compared to our protagonists. Verosika, Stolas, Striker, Fizz, even the Cherubs are written as either full-on victims or simply characters with different goals. It's good variety and makes the villains feel more three-dimensional imo.
Especially number 2, they want us to root and feel bad for Blitz so badly, but I just can’t, and it doesn’t help he’s right half the time and gets to sleep with whoever he looks at because he’s the boss and a chad in bed, I guess? (Brandon will always his iconic voice though) Now I get he’s the main character of an adult show, and his backstory gives us a look at why he’s the way he is, but there’s no relatability or anything likable, he’s an imp I know but the show goes back and forth constantly on whether we should feel bad and empathetic for these characters or just let it slide because they’re in hell and it’s expected. I stopped watching helluva boss a while ago, cause it’s unhealthy how much I have a problem every time a character so much as breathes xd Although the one thing I don’t have a problem with is the villains, lots of people rant how there’s either too many or the same ones returning, when they’re built up to be threatening and then get underused, I understand, but literally everything has that “villain of the week” kind of thing, but it is annoying when they’re built up as menacing and important to the plot, and then become pointless and non threatening and just a common thug. Other than that, man do I hope HB finds its footing one day, cause it’s too much of a mess, I don’t hate it, but I hope it does better.
Really is the show good though with good humor i already know that answer no i would change that and also striker being not interested in anyone interested i mean love i was just changed that nothing more nothing less maybe i don't know yet
I agree with everything you said and also i feel like one of the biggest problem with this show is that it doesn't know what it want to be. Like the show can't decide if its a episodic show that resets the status quo, for every new episode or a serialized series with on going arcs, a romance drama show or a fast paced comedy etc Not to mention the world building, it has a lot of flaws , like it has been years since the series released and we still don't know what happens when a demon die.
@@a_naotenhonome780hey! You clearly forgotten that helluva boss is a show for da BOYYYSs!! That’s why all the female cast are given no character development cause it’s all about da BOYSSS!! And then viz immediately contradicts herself cause I guess she forgot about episode 5 season 2 and episode 8 season 1 which was already done by the time viz made that tweet btw 💀
Having a defence of helluva boss’s terrible world building be that it’ll be explained/fixed in hazbin hotel is like having a mechanic ruin your car and telling you not to get mad at him because the other mechanic you’ll take your car to will fix it instead.
I don’t watch Helluva Boss too much, but I know the general characters and plot lines and watched some of it. I just wish some creators realize that cursing every 5 seconds or adding in a swear to a sentence doesn’t equal maturity or “adult content.” Sometimes it just feels unnatural or ruins the whole vibe for me. I dunno. Just my opinion.
That’s honestly exactly it! They substitute actual depth and adult story telling for adult themes, sex jokes and gore and think that’s good enough to make it an adult show. But they don’t change the way they write, so it comes off less as adults writing a show for other adults, and more like a child’s idea of what makes a show “for adults”. But what makes a show adult is not only the themes, but also the issues the characters face and how they react to them. The characters have to act like adults first, and then you write the story around them. But none of the characters in Helluva Boss feel like adults, and you can only write a story so mature with such childish focal points.
As someone who usually swears a lot I agree. But also I don't swear as much as how much cursing they put in the show I mean it's overly exaggerated. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this.
I think a very big oops when it came to villain Crimson came in the aptly-titled episode "Oops," by which I mean the fact that he was seemingly killed off. Crimson was set up as a huge threat in his first appearance, with a masterful ending that shows Crimson silently swearing revenge at IMP. He only interacts with Moxxie in this one episode. In "Oops," Crimson is brought back, but they don't do anything with his character, as the episode revolves around Blitzo and Fizzarolli. But the big thing is that Crimson appears to die in the episode when his warehouse explodes. While he isn't shown dead, we don't see that he survived, unlike with Striker. This may be a fake-out death, but it's hard to believe he survived when he's not shown escaping and someone else is. If they did kill Crimson off in this episode, this was not the way to do it. He should've been defeated by Moxxie; Crimson is Moxxie's most personal enemy. It also should've been done later in the series to build suspense. Speaking of suspense, if this is a fake-out death, then all suspense around the character's next move is gone. Especially since it's been established that Crimson's mafia is financially struggling; that was why Crimson tried to marry Moxxie to Chaz in his first appearance, and why he took Fizzarolli hostage - he outright said "We really need a big score right now" when interviewing Striker. Sure, it shows Crimson's desperate for money, but it also shows that the mafia is relatively low on resources, which kind of diminishes the threat that Crimson was set up to be. What were the writers thinking when they did all this? Crimson's character was done a horrible disservice in the episode "Oops" that both wasted his character's screen time and totally undermined him as a threat.
@@tapijtzweet6854 Exactly! If he is dead, a potentially cathartic conclusion to Moxxie's character arc is now gone. And if he's not, why would you do a fake-out death for him but have Striker shown to clearly survive? That just doesn't make any sense.
I doubt hes dead, if striker survived it looking like that its very unlokely he died. Itll probs be something like idk his underlings blocking it or whatever
@@thatminer7174Striker is a very tough individual; it's believable that he escaped. There is no evidence Crimson has the kind of skill required to do so; he's on the older side, and he can only really pose a threat when he has minions or a gun. Even if he isn't dead, explaining how he survived will be very hard to buy into; you yourself can't explain it.
@@Bahr_2006I think that I saw that just before warehouse exploded one of crimson’s minions was going to protect him as we see him putting his hand on his shoulder.
I haven’t watched this yet but I’m saying thank you for saying this show isn’t perfect the fanbase is so toxic they bully you into thinking it’s perfect
I’m not a writer but it makes me wonder how they fumbled the plot line that bad making them childhood friends and not dedicate a scence where blitz and Stolas talk about their relationship.!
The issue is that there was apparently a big conflict in the writer's room about whether Stolas and Blitzo's whole situationship is a toxic, blackmail-y thing that Stolas is using to get his rocks off at the expense of his wife, child, and family reputation or a blossoming romance with a rocky start where both sides can do no wrong and it seems that, in season 2, the conflict ended up in Vivzie getting her way and making the whole thing a badly done blossoming star-crossed friends-to lovers romance where both characters can do no wrong. Point is: Vivzie sucks at writing.
@@Snekysnitch Sadly no, it was meant as an inference based on how different seasons 1 and 2's writing are compared to each other, I doubt if something that big happened that Vivziepop would let it get out so easily.
They arent childhood friends. They hung out for one day and blitzo stole his shit. Stolas saw them as friends, Blitzo didn't. That's why their "relationship" was never addressed. Blitz only began having feelings after he started fucking him in order to use the grimoire lol
Helluva Boss is stuck in a weird limbo, wanting to be a "sitcom" and a "drama-slice of life" at the same time. Which does not help the narrative of the show, as the two are at constant odds with one another. EDIT: admittedly last episodes have been better, but i can still find some incontinencies and leap of logic here and there
The show is capable of being these things but the direction is what's hurting it. Brandon Rogers, the voice of Blitzø, has written episodes and skits in his RUclips channel with Adam Neylan. From what I've read Adam, Brandon and Vivienne are writers of the show, but I'm wondering if Vivienne is the one who is directing things since all of Brandon and Adam's work on Brandon's channel have been really good and made you feel for the characters.
My main issue with helluva boss's writing is that it relies too much on fanservice. In the more recent episodes especially, the writing relies on what would get their audience the most turned on, which is why we have so many scenes of things like Moxxie crossdressing or Fizzaroli being gay for Asmodeus. It is honestly cringeworthy and obvious that these scenes exist more to please the fans rather than have relevance to the plot or characters.
See, I see this accusation occasionally, but there's one reason I'm skeptical of it: if they were really doing things just because they're trying to please fans, then wouldn't Loona be getting a lot more screen time?
@@Corrector1 Up to you if you thinks its true or not, but the reason I often see put forward is that Viv really likes fetishizing mlm relationships and gay men in general- that of which do have a market by fans/yaoi people that often even outweigh the horny for Loona ppl lol
Besides, yes, Loona actually has a very large fan base, but if you think that 90% of her fandom is furry, well I don't think they really care that she has screen time, she just exists in the background being " hot" is enough for them @@bumblebee3630
... Dude, you're watching a show about demons in hell and none of them are really heterosexual. And ,if that's the problem for you ? Than you are the one with some issues. This show is lgbtq+ positive. Deal with it
Steven Universe was good for the most part. It began to crumble after a while. Which we can’t say the same for Helluva Boss since it failed basically from the start.
I ignored a lot of these issues but the biggest punch in the gut was how they downgraded Striker. I was more excited to see him again than anyone. The voice change is fine, it's how he turned into a joke in his second episode. He isn't a threat anymore. My only other thing that is irritating is Stolitz going back to normal after THE BIGGEST MOMENT IN THE SHOW
How the hell does morality work in this show? Because Crimson, Stella, and Striker are bad guys because they're abusive and/or murderous......but our main characters we're supposed to be rooting for are all also murderers. Blitzo and Millie especially have made it clear they don't care about killing innocent people, so that makes them objectively terrible people too, right? It seems like bad things are only bad when the main characters don't like it, and it's weird that the show whiplashes from taking murder and violence seriously when other characters do it, but when it's the main characters doing it then it's played as a joke.
That’s one issues of the setting of hell because if u use the real world understanding of it makes when things happen to character harder to care about heck check angel dust from hazbin he’s being abused by Valentino and honestly why would I care vizzie explains things that don’t need to be explain yet and things she should explain she doesn’t and this is a major flaw cuz if u don’t people aren’t gonna care about certain events
This is such a good point I wish more ppl brought up bc it’s the same with Hazbin, like in Hazbin it’s shown that being manipulative is bad but also cannibalism is js a quirk ig? What’s bad is js what the writers wants bad to be bad.
Shows like helluva boss and Hazbin Hotel give this plelasent feeling of "at least my writing isn't that bad" Also... that excuse that Hazbin Hotel is to focus on the female characters is so embarrassing Personally, i dont think she can turn it around, simply because she doesn't listen to the criticism. And okay, she cana do whatever she wants, but her works will always be lukewarm at best
Didn't she also say that Angel Dust was one of if not her most developed character? Take it with a grain of salt, I forgot where I heard it. But I wouldn't be too surprised, seeing as he got his own music video before the main character and she always excuses things in her show(s).
Seeing people give out that excuse of HH being more female led and HB being male led is brain numbing. Even if your work focuses on one demographic the rest of your cast needs to be just as thoughtful in terms of writing
@@SirLuckySlime I am from the future, and you were right Not only the males got the best songs of the show, but Charlie and Vaggie were the least developed characters and couple
@@leavemealone802 Don't forget that the main male cast is significantly more interesting and well-thought-out than the girls. I don't think I even need to explain Angel Dust, but Alastor is given such significance, his own scenes, and a lot of character. Sir Pentious was straight up redeemed. Lucifer even had his own relevant story. And the girls? Practically nothing. If you're just not good at writing women, that's okay. It's just a flaw in your writing to work on. On the other hand, lying and making excuses for poor writing is what's really wrong.
As someone who really likes this series. I appreciate this video. It’s fair, not hateful, and provides advice on how to improve. Great job maybe I should show Viv this video!
Honestly appreciate your words, I honestly don't try to go for critic points, my channel nowadays is more a mix of what I wanna see and opinion pieces, never expect less of that from me, again, thank you
Sadly, I doubt vivzie will watch the video. Even if she does, she likely won’t acknowledge the criticism/suggestions and improve. It’s been months now with plenty of videos, most of which try to not sound like “”haters.””
I feel like the show is almost written like a comic, it wants to always move on to the next thing, introduce a new villain of the week every episode, maybe bring them back if their popular
Helluva Boss is my Promised Neverland. I loved season 1. I saw it as set up, as most first seasons are. Episodes to give us the situation and let us get to know the characters and their struggles and whatnot, and I think that's fine. But season 2 just hasn't given me what I wanted at all.... I can't bring myself to keep watching until I hear that things improve.
But the promised neverland fiasco is miles above helluva boss, I adore the first season of promised never land and saw Season 2 and was rush as hell I can't imagine how bad it musta been for manga fans to see such a famous franchise be disrespected to such a degree, Is up there as one of the worst anime ending our there
@lorisjuniorfavaro8612 it is? I hear something about the golding pond being great but afterwards I hear something about Emma mastering talk no jutsu or something
@@Haphu15 It definitely is, Helluva Bods was just a closer series for me. I’ve heard mixed things from the manga. On one hand the writing is better and the scenes get more attention and we get to meet some interesting characters. On the other hand Emma is a bit of a Mary Sue in that she always gets her way, often without any major struggles. I’ve not read the manga myself though.
@@CloudsAndDays I see, makes sense, I still love helluva boss despite its many flaws and I admit I was feeling dread over the writing in previous episodes However, these last 2 episodes oops and mammons musical had everything that made me love the show in the first place, so personally I want to see how it goes, I came this far so I gotta see it through, but you points are very valid of course
Helluva boss villians bug me so much. Because the majority of them have so much potential to be really fun characters with actual motivations and personality and tension but they get dumbed down for jokes or for our main cast to be 'witty' Here's some examples: Stryker: Sourthern dude who doesn't like the unholy s word but also has the statue?? Stella: Evil abusive partner no actual personality only exists to be Stolas' bitch of a wife and Octavia's incubator Verosika: bitchy ex gf Crimson: I try to ignore him because he is so bad, like I genuinely get second hand embarrassment whenever he shows up. This is like wattpad fanfic tier bad. Chaz: Chaz is honestly meaningless as a character, you could replace him with a piece of cardboard and it would be the exact same, plotwise. Fizz: No longer a villian really, got "uwuified" like Stolas, but I mean atleast it was some development... Wish it took like 2 episodes minimum for Blitz and Fizz to be buddy‐buddy again but this is the best we got so far. Edit, forgot to include Barbiewire. Barbiewire: actual textbook definition of a groomer. But "nooo its okay he's 18, even though Barb refers to him as a teenager implying that she sees him as one and that she's specifically targetting teenagers because she can abuse her power over them and extort them for drugs. 🥺"
They really don't get dumbed down for jokes. What word is that? And he is not against sex. Stella has a personality, sadistic, spiteful, petty, prideful, etc are aspects of it. She exists to be the main antagonist actually. Verosika is still a fun villian though. Crimson is not so bad. Nah he's a good villain too. Not really, Chaz had a purpose but he is a dumbass. Fizz was still a villain and is still evil. Being sympathetic means "uwufied"? Ok then how is that a bad thing? Eh it still took a lot of time for Fizz to forgive him. Using him and manipulating doesn't exactly equal grooming though so no she isn't a groomer.
@@Jdudec367 grooming /ˈɡro͞omiNG/ noun noun: grooming 3. the action of attempting to form a relationship with a child or young person, with the intention of sexually assaulting them or *inducing them to commit an illegal act such as selling drugs* or joining a terrorist organization.
@@noviibutnotactive8385 So...where is the child here? Also it's still kinda disingenuous, when people say groomer nowadays they only think of one thing.
@@Jdudec367 Reread my reply. It also includes a young person in thw definition, like a teenager, (which Barbie refers to him as) So yes, by the definition it is grooming.
Another issue is how much cursing is in the show. Like it’s one thing to have cursing… but it feels like the creators forced curse words into every single sentence, like they think a million curse words is “cool”. Like seriously… you don’t need to curse every 5 seconds. We get it, it’s an adult show. What’s really annoying is when they emphasize or dramatize a curse word like “fuck” or “bitch”, as if it’s supposed to be shocking… but it isn’t. We aren’t children… curse words don’t impress us, especially when you use one every 5 seconds
The recent episode just confirmed they're going to make every Sin the same as Bee and those ranked below are treated fairly and as equals by the Rulers of Hell, might as well retcon that Social Ladder out of existence and the introduction to Hell which made it clear this entire place is awful because they mean nothing at this point.
I still don’t get why sinners are stuck in the pride ring? Why are sinners higher up in the social ladder than hellborns?! Cause that mess up to prioritize sinners over ur own natural born citizens. I hope Hazbin Hotel answers these when it gets out. I felt like Helluva Boss make up lore as it goes.
@@ling5470 it won't, because Viv answered some of this questions on interviews/twitter, so why implement it into the story... Anyway, Sinners are stuck because Lucifer is a jealous type and just wants them there, for some reason
I mean, while it still is concerning, Ozzie was forshadowed to not be a bad guy... in some regards. like, he is the sin of lust, you can't force per say someone to droll over someone else, unless you make good enviroment for it. And his relationship with Fizz also was shown before, so if we are rooting for IMP, then we are also seeing Asmodeus as a good guy. Bee was made like that mostly because it's a Kesha self-insert, so there's not much to talk about. Maybe some other sins will be better... but if yes, then showing us two ''good' ones first is stupid. And with the social ladder, also, the whole Moxxies dad thing is stupid. Ok, he might be powerful in some way, so people in greed are listening to him, but for one, he was shown to be stupid, second, why fishman are above imps, if they are just as stupid, or even below their power level? Outside of Frizz (and let's say, rest of the circus), people from Wrath are on Millie level, and she killed most of the mafia in one go. Why???
@@ling5470Its bassically comparing a human to animal. Even thought the natural demons Are sapient unlike animals on earth. A mix of both Lucifer's jeoulosy And God's favoritism For Humans they Are juuuust above everyday demons Like the imps/succubi/And such.
I hated the fact that after stolas literally almost died the show moved on like it could’ve been the perfect moment for Blitz to idk rethink his feelings about stolas but no they just moved on. Tbh Helluva Boss feels like a kids show where it doesn’t rlly have a plot continuing to the next episode cuz kids don’t rlly need to follow it cuz they are so young like Peppa pig for example peppa got red shoes where she said she’ll never take them off but wow suddenly next episode it’s like she never got them and we just moved on that’s what helluva boss feels like
In unhappy campers i especially feel bad for moxxie because they keep saying he's in the wrong when the writers screwed him over again. Literally nothing was his fault, they made Millie spot the bad guy right at the start and proceed to bully him for the rest of the episode (which i guess was for comedy but it just falls flat for the rest of the episode). Hes actually given a chance to use his abilities or look more confident in this episode and nope. And millies said one line that "implied" something. We proceed to not adress her again only if shes being awsome or getting mad at moxxie for RIGHTFULLY being irritated.
He didn't get "rightfully irritated" he wanted to play pretend and waste time not actually doing the job he was soooo invested in, he just got mad that his wife is better than him even though she was being supportive and played along for him. I don't think you realize how much this happens in the show even before this episode.
@@Jane-ow7sryeah but thats not Moxie. The entire problem with this show is that character development doesn't exist for anyone but Blitz. Viv seems to genuinely decide her character's personalities episode to episode by picking out of a hat
@@timeenoughatlast3368yea that was just not moxxie, he was the smart one of the group so seeing him fall flat like that for millie who still didn't get much of a character to herself in the episode was just oof.
My problem with helluva boss, is that the creator has literally shitted herself on the main idea of the series. I'll explain. The attractive of the show is a group of hitman demons killing a person demanded by a client. They did it great in the first season, because they attached to the idea, and had space for a full lore episode. Now in this season 2, they have abandoned this (and yea, summer camp episode is a goofy aah disneyish camp episode with 4 seconds of gore) to make a full season of fan service and songs everywhere (not bad songs, but its a lil bit exaggerated). I would love if they came back to this adult hell sitcom of killing, because is a very original idea.
honestly, i wish helluva boss took a less serious way when it came to story telling while yes its cool seeing these little characters have their own arcs and their own feelings, i just kind of wish that this show wouldve stayed as like billy & mandy or just a general classic cartoon you know? because this show has a lot of problems with "ooo massive big sad event happens" and then completely forgets it next episode, but idk thats js how i feel
i'll be really honest the way i enjoy helluva boss as it's fullest is by just unplugging my brain and enjoying the shenanigans the main characters pull off and laugh if theres a funny joke its kind of a show i do really enjoy watching but i'll never lie to myself and say it's really well written and actually deep or anything its just an entertaining funny and goofy show it tries to take itself seriously sometimes and again sometimes it does the job well some other times...its just whatever to me i dont even care about the serious side of helluva boss anyway
Honestly same, it took watching the camping episode to REALLY even be pissed at the show. Now going down the rabbit hole of discussions and reviews like DAMN this show is kinda bad but it still feels fun, even if it's bad just a dumb popcorn show.
i watched unhappy campers yesterday and was so unsatisfied with it and when i fell asleep i literally dreamed of a different ending 😭 that episode did not feel right
for anyone wondering what my dream was it still wasn't very good but anyways they were in like a canyon and barbie was about to jump to the bottom and then blitz grabbed her tail to save her and then she pulled her tail back and died and fell in the canyon and then blitz cried 😧 yea like i said not that good
@@beanbugi What do you mean? Your dream had actual stakes in it. actual ramifications on the plot and it shown that Blitz being a toxic piece o shit actually does effect people. It would really get him to open his eyes and deal with the problem there and then because hr just got his SISTER killed.
it honestly sometimes feels to me like vivzie herself doesn't understand her characters. glaring examples are millie and blitz. it feels like she doesn't understand what to do with a character that doesn't have childhood trauma, when it comes to millie. making her two personality traits that she loves moxx and that she is an aggressive fighter is just... well. then we have blitz. his position as a character is endlessly interesting, both with his personal issues and him being an imp in a transactional relationship with a royalty. but it seems like vivzie hardly understands the concept of class issues and classism. pair it with her becoming stolas-focused, and you get the perfect blend of victimizing and simplifying stolas, while making blitzo out to be the issue. like it's either that she gets extremely swayed by what the headcanons the fandom produces or she genuinely doesn't know what she's talking about
ROUGH Theory: In Hazbin Hotels pilot, we see characters like Luna (Loona) and Blitz. The main message in the pilot was that no one wants redemption, you can't be redeemed because you're always in hell and you had your chance on Earth. So what if that's why we don't see character development, like everything is being reset. But we do see some slow development- so maybe that means the hotel works out in the end. Hmmm
Oh,and just remembered - Authors adressed the "Loona not talking" controversy - the voice actress suffers the loss of her husband and they dont want to replace her,so she will get "back in line" once theactress gets better
Correction, Billy Kametz wasn't Erica's husband, he was her boyfriend, plus she didn't get any speaking roles in parts of Season 2 because during the time, her boyfriend passed away from colon cancer in 2022 and she needed a break to mourn over her loss
@e92312 she'll be back again it's just during the time when they did recording, she wasn't available due to her partner's death but now it's 2023, she's back and should be available to record future episodes I would presume
I think stolitz having a childhood connection is the dumbest and most unnecessary contribution ever . It does not impact their current dynamic at all . This show is written like fanfiction , with random reoccurring villains , oddly angst-y kidnapping and hostage plots that r swept over . Fizzarolli’s new episode was the most cringe worthy I’ve ever seen with his relationship with Asmodeus and his reaction after being kidnapped
I think they'll have more writers now that it's picked by A24 and all that. So it can go either way. It could get worse or it could get better. Hopefully better. It's up to the writers.
I personally really like the show, however - this helped me put my issue into words. I think it just frustrates me that the defense is 'Hazbin focuses on women' but even so, the hazbin cast has mostly male characters, and the first episode felt like Angeldust was the protagonist alongside Charlie. Obviously, Hazbin isn't out yet so we'll have to wait and see, but it just feels like both shows prefer their male characters.
Im so mad I wrote such a big project for this series only to re go trough my script and realize its just me grasping at straws and coping about a series that has genuinely awful character writing. I am being serious when i say i think this show would of been amazing if brandon rogers was the main producer/leader instead of vizzie. brandon can and has written some pretty damn good web series that balance character drama and comedy insanely well. helluva boss is trying to be both a character study and episodic comedy at the same time it so painful to watch spindle change the characters fucking personality to fit with whatever dogshit drama/episodic hybrid. (maybe I should write a video on this instead lmao)
Helluva Boss has some clear, fundamental writing problems that makes it clear this is someone's first draft or official story made into an actual, full-blown series. There's set up, but no payoff. And not in a funny, "subvert expectations" way, like, with Moxxie against his father, they SHOULD have had him not go down in one hit and actually put up a fight. It would have been a perfect moment to show that character growth, it is the most clear linear movement for the plotline. Same for Stolitz's fight at the end of s1; s2, nothing happens because of it. Personally though I think Stella was in characrer in western energy; she doesn't CARE about gaining Stolas's inheritance. She's already royalty. Her motives had always been to make Stolas pay for screwing her over. Remember, she's rich; she was raised with servants on hand and no consequences for her actions. Basically, she's a spoiled, entitled woman-child because she's never needed to grow up, she's given everything she wants when she wants it, and is waited on by hand and foot. So, yeah, makes sense she doesn't care about the inheritance given she never had. Her brother, on the other hand, is the type to want more power than he even has already.
Yes, agreed. A lot of people are trying to figure out why things went down hill with HB, but it's very obvious even from the start, I think. The animation is beautiful at times, and the voice actors are excellent...but it's clear that a lack of writing experience is at the heart of the problem with this series. All the issues with the female characters? The poor pacing and this shift to focusing on romance (in a show about assassins in hell, of all things)? All down to the same issue. Fanfiction-like writing. I'm certain a lot of HB's audience are younger, so perhaps they aren't as experienced with certain tropes in fanfiction...but just about everything that is disappointing about the show is actually very much in line with well-established patterns in fanfiction. The issue with characters like Stella happens constantly in fanfiction of a certain type -- you often have a female character regulated to being a shrieking, soulless harpy who only exists to legitimize the main ship with her awfulness. Strangely, women authors of fanfiction are notorious for shafting and downplaying female characters (if they acknowledge them at all), and you see that quite a bit in HB. Character writing and plot are stripped down to just romantic elements -- again, we're seeing this in HB in real time. And often, when you often read certain types of things, including fanfiction, you're subconsciously affected by it, to the point where it can come out in your own work whether you're aware of it or not. HB has some good elements, potentially great ones. Like I said, the animation is amazing and getting even better, the voice work is phenomenal, and the lore sounds like it would honestly be fantastic if there was more work put into showing it in the show. But it's clear that they need some good writers to make things work better, but honestly that's not an insult. Story writing is an art, and it's one that takes enormous amounts of practice to perfect, but a lot of people don't realize how much effort is necessary to become a good story teller.
something i just thought about was the whole sibling rivalry thing with millie and her siblings. Guess who also has a similar problem of sibling problems as well? Blitz. If they want Blitz to reconcile with her sister (or hell, even fizz, who may even see him like a brother or just a close friend), they could have millie reconcile with Sally May as a way to let things go from the past and have a better relationship for the future. Then this type of reconciliation can be used for Blitz next to show that he could do the same with those he previously hurt by whatever reason (plus no one knows yet what exactly he has done to them). This could be a great way to mirror both characters and have Millie be useful for Blitz's story since Viv claimed HB as a "male-centric" show, when in reality they could try something similar to what i just explained. And if they do something similar to Stella and her brother with their plan to horde Stolas's royal stuff, they both can also go against each other if one becomes greedier and more ambitious than the other, further escalating their relationship, if that happens. Again, if something like this happens to those two, it could have an opportunity to have a dark mirror to Blitz's situation of his loved ones by pushing them away and becoming indifferent and selfish when loving others. Besides, for Stella and her brother, we don't know if they even would try to do something harmful to Via, while the audience has never seen a single interaction between Stella and her daughter. I too also wonder how the writing department will deal with that. plus, thanks for reading this if you already did and have a wonderful day.
I hate that the show has become a soap opera. I don't give two shits about all the tragedies the characters that keep getting thrown at us are going through. Every single character that is put into the show goes through a "woe is me I'm so traumatized uwu" moment. It's supposed to be a comedy. It's supposed to be funny. But it's all dick jokes and trauma porn, it's just not good. It needs to go back to how it was in the pilot
Kinda wish Stolas just died. The story has been begging for a real hit that isn’t just emotional but physical too. I mean sure he had stuff going for him and I liked how he is presented but out of all the main cast he’s the easiest one to get rid of and have it deal a blow to everyone. It would be really interesting to see and would actually shake up the show in a way that isn’t ignorable. Plus it could also give some good character development to all of the IMP as blitzo most likely does a 180 and there’s some form of large barrier between him and everbody else and millie and moxxie have to front the business for a while (or quit).
I was scared to watch this at first haha but I have now, and I can't help but agree with a lot of what you've said. Hopefully the show can keep working to find its feet!
If I had to nitpick one part of this video is that the show has not established seven villains. Striker, Crimson, Stella, DHORK and C.H.E.R.U.B. are the ones that I would call actual villains. Fizarolli and Verosika may act antagonistic but they are not villains, they're rightfully pissed off people from Blitz's past.
This video is great! Most helluva boss "criticisms" are just people throwing out random reasons why they hate the show. I totally agree with everything you said here and Im a fan of how you not just highlighted the very real flaws with this show, but also said so many things you liked about it too. I can tell you actually watch the show, and dont just hate it. This is very refreshing to see as a longtime Helluva/Hazbin fan.
It's nice seeing another content creator like me critiqueing helluva boss just like me I like this video keep up the hard work and good luck on your content creation your gonna need it
I’ve mentioned this on other review channels, but the main issue with Helluva Boss was how quickly it undermined itself within 2 seasons. The show was supposed to be a dark, episodic comedy about an assassin business in hell fueled by the rocky relationship between a lowly imp and demon royalty. Both characters were awful yet redeemable and interesting in their own ways and that made for an intriguing concept. Now the writing staff threw everything away for an overly dramatic plot that lacks focus and feels more like a badly written fanfic between Blitz and Stolas. It’s like the staff ran out of ideas way too quickly and now the show doesn’t resemble its pilot nor first episode at all.
I agree with u and I’ve said this multiple time vizzie is like Rebecca sugar the gay fanfic was her actual intent but had make it something else so it can get the green light
ngl, i was disappointed on how striker was introduced back on s2... i feel like he had a HUGE potential as the main villain, the big villain in this series. Potentially, he was my fave (what couldve been) main villain. but BOY was i wrong. the imo unnecessary song, the sudden change of his atittude, the uncharacteristic joke of him having a statue of himself... it just feels off. the voice change also shocked me, but it is forgivable i guess. overall... i wish he was the main villain, but it is what it is.
You know i find funny just octavia just having more scenes then the actually main cast of girls. The whole show was suppose to show blitz growing more of a demon and being a better boss which they are doing a bit more in the newest episode but it makes no sense on why is so super focus on the ship between him and stolas when it mostly supposed to be him doing his job. The last two episodes with them in the human world was just octavia going there while the second was a really bad episode for me. Mille was still not really getting her character moment while moxxie was still the center of attention. Honestly moxxie was acting more like her son then her husband or just daughter.
As much as I enjoy Helluva Boss I have to fully agree with this video. The main things that really bug me are the lack of consistency and the losing the story problem. The biggest moment being the fallout of Blitzø and Stolas at Ozzies then jump forward to season 2 and they are acting like nothing has happened. No awkwardness, no hurt feelings, NOTHING. I really do love the series, the characters, the animation, the setting, everything. Just the writing is a lot of the time all over the place which sucks.
The sex jokes get old very fast. There cannot be one full emotional part without random sex jokes. It's like middle school all over again, and most of the time, they are not funny. It gets very annoying when they pack each episode full of them too.
I genuinely love this show ,but there have been some flaws .the show started off as a sitcom where the characters would go to the surfice to kill people which i thought would be the main plot ,but it shifted to wanting to be a drama series that i actually forgot their job was to kill humans for sinners. I don't mind the villains though i feel like some were introduced too early?like Dhorks? Or Maybe it's just me who feels that way . The villains are not evil though (except for Stella) Verosica,Fizz,Ozzy,Cherubs and Dhorks were just doing their jobs while characters like striker have motivations where I.M.P got in the way of his goal . There are many antagonists in the show and i feel like some should be saved for the next season instead of making them villains of the week. Dhorks being saved for the next season seems like a good idea if that's what viv is planning. As for the jokes i feel like they should let a serious sceane stay serious like the one where Moxxie and Crimson are interacting .sometimes there are too many jokes that don't need to be there and the toneshift in some of the episodes like western energy were a bit jarring.
I compare this Show to the likes of Steven Universe, but at least SU HAD an excuse for its sloppy plot and inconsistencies. What's Helluva Boss's excuse? Bad writing, that's what. It isn't constrained by a company that's trying its damndest to make it fail. Credit where credit is due, Viv is a fantastic animator, but she's a bad writer.
@@moistsocks2188There isn't any excuse for it, there's better shows that actually do focus on the various genders of characters and know what to do with it.
This show is definitely confusing - the episodes (especially recent ones) feel disjointed, it's hard to know what's actually going on with Stolitz and who has the deeper feelings for who, Millie & Moxxie's relationship is one note and there's never enough of Stella or any of the actually interesting characters. It's obvious this is a side project to HH, which is fair enough, but it's a shame the writing as become so lazy.
It's also just baffling in hindsight for a song like "You Will Be Okay", a beautiful lullaby song to be in the same show as Crimson revealing a room full of dildos.
I relatively agree with the Villain problem, but I also feel that it will be addressed in due time. And Verosika and Fizzaroli aren't "villains". Antagonists to Blitzo maybe, but not villains. The other 5 actually want to cause harm the main cast.
Great video! I only saw a few episodes of Helluva Boss. The pilot and the first two mainly. Its a shame to learn the characters don't get long lasting development. Hopefully the show improves.
I feel like viv could point out mox’s lack of actual bite to his bark so to speak in his “development” and give him a mental breakdown scene where instead of just building his confidence he addresses that he can never seem to keep said confidence and when people try to comfort him he gets determined and actually, really stands up for himself without looking pathetic in any
for stolitz: the reason why they just ignore everything is because Blitzø is trying to just ignore everything to keep a status quoe and being fine. Stolas is just ignoring it because he just wants a world where they can be in love. in OOPS we can see that around Ozzie, Stolas is not ignoring it at all, and knows deep down what he wants will never happen.
Show itself is good but its not focusing on more character traits. Like other shows on tv. She puts out more random characters with a unique flaw that striker for one shows up in 2 while wheres the other ones at?..
I'm sick of cock jokes. At a certain point, it feels like they are forced to do them at gun point for how many there are in a single episode. Is it that difficult to find something else to joke about ? Also, I hate what they're doing with Stella's character. It feels like they themselves don't know what to do with her ! Sometimes she's plain evil mastermind making threats, sometimes she's just a bitch, sometimes she's just stupid, sometimes she's ashamed of people finding out Stolas is cheating, sometimes she isn't. She isn't a character, she's a narrative tool that change accordingly to fit the narrative. I would have loved for her to be an evil Disney-like villain, and I was waiting for that after the revelation in "The Circus" but now she just sucks, and it seems like she's a no brainer being coerced by her brother. They wanted the audience to hate her so much that they transformed what could have been a cool character in a cardboard cutout. What a waste 🤦🏻♀️
the visuals and voice acting was rlly fun and it was nice to have a matute western show without an atrocious art style. But then the writing in s2 was off so i dropped it thats it for me
A lot of the stuff you mentioned they are actually starting to improve upon. Also a lot of the stuff about the characters you have to look past the main part of the story so it takes about 5 watches of the entire series to actually understand a lot of it. This was one of their big animations that took off. The show is like the beginning of adventure time they don’t know what they are doing at that moment in time, but later in the show they get a good grasp on what they are doing. I think we just need to give them some more time to get a grasp on the show and what they are doing
Honestly those who nitpick don’t deserve the attention, those who bash people for giving out proper criticism don’t deserve a fight. This gives good criticism much like another vid I have seen, it even gave space for fans much like myself to pitch interesting theories and ideas that we hope could happen. I specifically sincerely hope Loona and Millie have the chance to fully develop. And after seeing the episode showing Beelzebub and the life style of gluttony I can only dream how Loona can finally develop more now with a small group of hell hound friends and a possibility to get a guy for herself after the heart crushing moment she finds out tex is taken.
Hazbin and Helluva share the same issue where the title of both shows doesn't have a plot that is the title, instead it's dramatic and character development (Helluva boss had 4 episodes in season 1 of assassination atleast. Hazbin hotel had the hotel as a sub plot.)
i love this show to death but i hate the fact that its more shipping based now bc its really just miss understanding after miss understanding to drag it out for 2 seasons they also seem to want character debt but no character development 😭
One of the things i dont like in this show is that seems to be more of a Hazbin sandbox than an actual story they want to tell us. The idea of "demon hitmen killing ppl on earth" is really good, but they never went back on it again, "unhappy campers" sort of did but it was more an episode of the gang doing random unrelated shit with the death of the client at the end. It seems like the show is just a way for vivz to explain the HH lore without having to bother to explain it in the actual show. We dont know how HH is gonna be like, but i dont think they will actually explain the world to us, just make us watch the spin off so we get them more views.
Season one was Great,But now the show is just another shitty "adult show" with sex jokes and characters saying "FUCK" "SHIT" every 5 seconds because It's "funny" and Remember!!! It's a Cartoon for "Adults"🗿
Yeah i kinda gave up on the show to be more in line with their own story. You can't even make a point without rabid and toxic fans trying to tell you how wron you are, no matter how valid or constructive your criticism is. But to be fair that is with nearly any fandom. My biggest problem for example is the complete dogshit writing often and villains that are "evil for the sake of being evil". Best example is Stella. First few episodes i got intrigued and wanted to know why she is the way she is. But the latest episode with her made it perfectly clear that Vivzie isn't interested in writing actual good and properly developed "villains". She doesn't have to be made likeable but if i never get to know why a villain decided to become the villain.. well then Deadpool said it best: "Well.. that's just lazy writing." The latest episode destroyed that already nearly non existant personality she had. But many people said it already that it really seems like Vivzie has a massive boner in writing all females as awful as possible all the time. I get it. Fetish for gay guys and all. But if that starts to ruin the actual story just to present the main gay characters on a golden platter all the time.. Well.. Not everyone just watches a show or a movie for the main characters only, you know? There are people who actually are more interested in side characters or villains. If you don't explore them, then why the hell do you even bother making them in the first place? Why even give them a name? You could just put some shadowy figure on the screen, don't give that character a name and you have the EXACT same endresult, only then i at least don't have to get my hopes up to ever understand why that character is the way he is, since i don't even know who he is or what his name is. Maybe one day there will be an episode where Stella actually has enough screentime and some backstory why she became so hateful towards everyone. And at this point ANYTHING is better than what we have now. Fuck.. tell me she stubbed her toe badly on a nightstand and that pissed her off so much. Sounds ridiculous, but that still is a better story than what we have right now. Also the constant retcon of things starts to get annoying. Even there you have so many people start to find excuses why it is alright to do things. Even going so far to claim "Oh pilots in shows ALWAYS were non canon to begin with." which is absolute dogshit. Well guess then in Lost people never ever had a planecrash then. They just warped into existence and suddenly where on that island, right?
I absolutely love the show and I’ve had a phase of loving it for a little while now. But it feel like I have been able to find a problem with every episode ever since season 2 episode 2 came out. It’s a good show especially since it isn’t on tv or anything. But it seriously needs some better plot writing.
I absolutely hate how they just always wanna ruined every opportunity for Moxie to shine and subject him to a damsel in distress role. He’s Helluva Boss equivalent to Squidward. Just getting ragged on from left to right.
i don't mind the villain thing, i think the first season was just to establish all the upcoming problem they'll face, now with only Striker being the first reacurring threat, we could be seeing more like the CHERUBS, Murder Family, the Feds and many more after. now for some actually critism which is the pacing and tone. The tone problem is the same as Marvel phase 4. They rush the hurt and get straight to the emotional gratification, basically speedrunning hurt/comfort, ruining key emotional moments with mediocre humor at best. the pacing is god awfully, and you can tell how they wrote the episodes from that as well. They'll have one good key moment for an episode and everything is build up to that moment, but they end up not revising the episodes so the build up feels like a kid in Fortnite whipping 90s in 2 second flat rather than a slow build up so the emotional moment actually feels impactful. i get that the show is just an online serie made by a small team for free, but these are still real problems they have to fix one day.
Honestly without looking back at the episodes to reference, i dont think we ever had a episode where they had to go up to earth to kill except in unhappy campers. I think if they made the agents in truth seekers the real threat that season the story would've been a bit more smooth?
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You know it’s bad when the writers are having to explain their characters on social media instead of in show
That's what IM saying
Bro I was saying the same thing!
mfs took the JKR aproach
its also bad when people say "ermm well uhh uhmm the bad jokes are fine because uhmm well lust ring you know and its hell and actually just shut up youre incorrect"
@@saulgoodmanactionfigure the amount of sex jokes in the show feels overboard. Like, it feels like it’s just trying sooo hard to be a mature show lol. Like ok yeah cool I get it, find a new joke pls. It’s fine to have those jokes, but there’s a point in time where it’s overused and just obnoxious.
I agree with all of these especially the villain problem.
The issue with Helluva Boss is that this series has a "Villain of the week" type thing, but the difference with other Villain of the Week shows like Power Rangers is that they get rid of those villains in the same episode.
However Helluva Boss has villains that are way too major to just be eradicated in one episode. Not to mention the series never hints back at those villains. They just appear when the writers want them to appear with no build up or anything.
It's not just villains either. The show really seems to have a problem with constantly Introducing new characters before really even exploring the ones they have.
People are allowed to have their own opinions i am my own opinion i don't really care if you don't like oh yeah here's the best part of whatever i don't care i have my own opinion you have your own
@@hybridvenom9 Are you ok?
@@tevenpowell8023 YES
@@hybridvenom9 Nice. Could you reword this for me, then? Cuz I have no idea what you're trying to say.
Being a Helluva Boss fan is suffering, having to deal with Vivzie’s thin skin, bad faith haters who think she’s the devil, and wishing the show utilizes its full potential. It hurts
Wait hold up what the hell you mean Vivzie's thin skin? There's drama behind the scenes I'm not aware of. Or something completely different?
@@SportsFan838viv cannot handle criticism at all. That’s what that means
@@ramuneraven Oh I figured
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She’s a product of what society calls leftism, it’s a very dangerous concept that lead to the destruction of Europe.
@@ramuneravenTo be fair the times where she received criticism there were also times where she was sent some pretty vile stuff. Like recently a hater sent Viv a gore video about a cat in a blender. There’s another where someone told her to off herself. I think those are the reasons why she’s sensitive.
I think I'l say this again, but Blitzo and Stolas are _not_ childhood friends. They met for one day and Blitzo used Stolas to rob the royalties of the palace. Blitzo even points how they weren't.
But for Stolas they are, he said it himself. So from the beginning it was Stolas thinking that they share a bond and a feelings, which is contridicting with them being in just for sex. Like, yeah, Blitzo can think that it was just for it, but why until the 'date' he was only cracking sex jokes and showing he only wanted the d?
Fr the way the way they were set up made it out to be a one night stand with a rando, it was so simple but them being childhood friends actually ruined the mystery and complicated relationships they had and are suffering with.
@@renny489 Except as I stated, they're NOT childhood friends. Just because they spent one fun and good day together as kids didn't make them friends.
@@TheUnmitigatedDawnsure but the fact that they’d met in the past and barely remembered each other was just not needed. Like they only added their childhood play date as a means of fan service rather than thinking of it it mattered to the story or not
that is true but the way blitzo is is bc of hos shit father and he learned everything from his father im not protecting but in a psychological pov like ig you taught a kid something and told them to do something they'd do it bc of their brains that can br easily manipulated
I think moxxie being in the mafia was cool, but they could’ve made them cooler, like without the dick jokes and that lame shark, at least they could’ve made the mafia scarier?
Not counting how those fish are for some reason higher in hierarchy and are in mafia, but gets fucked up by random imp (Millie) xD
And there wasn't much foreshadowing, like how they at first said that Moxxie is from wrath, and his "deepest trauma" in the episode with agents, was just Blitz not appreciating him, and nothing about his past...
I personally don't think a traumatic backstory is needed for Moxxie. That's more of a Blitzo thing. And we already have a maffia parent, Angel's dad.
I highly agree that was one of the worst episodes. And as much as I love the designs of the sharks in that episode the character it himself was pathetic.
One year later and I still find it odd that the mafia had financial problems. Made them way less scarier
This show is so weird. They want to write drama and action but have no idea how to set up story or characters for a satisfying payoff later, they just...do the dramatic or action scene with hardly any buildup. Cool I guess. The lore is all over the place too. Hopefully they get better later but I'm not holding my breath lol
The show was originally supposed to be just an episodic dark comedy series (which is what I wished it stuck to), but I guess Viv just wanted to put some messy drama into it because Hazbin was taking forever to come out.
Exactly, most of the episodes don’t even have actual “stories” - just “scenarios”.
@@heyimadinobut then you can just adapt the story to incorporate the drama, or even shape the story around the drama - but instead we just get… drama without much of a story?
maybe because the show is unfinished. there was SO many changes from each episode it turnt the series into a mess. you cant even expect much its literally on youtube they barely are getting as paid as series in sites like hazbin hotel which DOES has good writing. yeah helluva isnt great but you really cant expect much from vivzie. having the show have good animation and songs is better than anything tbh.
Maaaaan, the thing that bugs me to no end about this show is how Vivzie just forces Stolitz to no bloody end, despite how absolutely toxic it is, to the point that it's willing to ruin characters, such as Stella and Stolas himself, to make sure it works out and people look at Stolas as a good boi who can do no wrong.
It's not a bad thing for people to view flawed characters with some positivity. Real life is a lot messier than the ideals you see online, sometimes you accept people despite some major flaws.
@@ZentaBon This argument only works with fan content, it doesn't work when talking about a relationship in the show that was supposed to be negative in the show due to 1. It basically being blackmail 2. a situation that Stolas was fucking over his wife and kid for (as Stella was written as the scorned wife similar to Ms. Mayberry in the first season) before season 2 suddenly undid all of this for a cliche and poorly done star-crossed childhood friends-to-lovers story where Stolas was getting away from his evil ex.
@@shadekerensky3691 was that officially confirmed? I saw the fan theory going around.
Finally someone said it
I think it’s just meant to be messy. They are in hell after all. There is no happy ending.
I have lost thousands of neurons waiting for the show of infernal hitmen with black humor to show infernal hitmen with black humor.
You are a great content creator, and I hope you keep growing more and more, we might even hit it off someday.
This video is a must send to all my contacts.
Appreciate the support and kind words from you as always, thank you
Goddamn, this thing so much. I was so excited after the 1st episode. With the 2nd I got "Hmm, strange we're getting such a character-centric episode - and centered around a secondary character - this soon, but I guess it's just a little derail". Then the 3rd made me say "Well, this isn't about killing a target I guess, but it still involves hitman business and it makes sense that not every single episode is gonna be about killing a target". Then the 4th episode was finally just like Episode 1, but unfortunatly it was pretty bad.
And than Episode 5 comes around, and from then on there's just no more recover.
The only real problem I have with this show is that continutity is pretty much non-existant like you said in the video. But an example I would like to present is the Exes and Oohs episode. That was one of the best episodes of Season 2. And we don't even get a moment to see how Moxxie felt after that traumatic event. Let alone a mention.
My point exactly, glad you saw it that way too :)
That episode ended way too soon. We also didnt get jack shit about millie, like, ffs the episode begins with her pissed aat chaz, then they find out her and moxxie have the same ex, and then its never ever explained further. We know he did something bad to her, but we never get any info on it, shit...the m&ms never even TALK about it, they just say one line and then never again. After that its just a moxxie daddy issue episode. Make them two seperate episodes ffs
@@barbararab6390it’s because helluva boss is a show ABOUT DA BOYYYSS!!!!
Why does SpongeBob get away with what this show can't...
that wasnt even a good episode
Viv's animation skills are insane. The fact she put all of this together is extremely impressive. But the writing in Helluva Boss is atrocious. She can't decide whether its a situation comdey with a seriel writing style, or an episodic relationship drama with deep comentary on class and sex. The newest episode is jarring when Blitz and Fiz are making snide remarks about eachother being sex slaves to Rich overlords. It's said like a joke, but Striker is genuinely right when he shuts them both up, telling them that they've betrayed Imps. We're 2 seasons in and we don't really know anything about actually living in hell. We don't know anything about Stolas's veiws on the class structure. A lot of serious questions are ignored because of Viv's weird decision to think of Helluva Boss as an extension of Hasbin Hotel rather than its own thing set in the same universe. We're told just to wait till the world gets fleshed out in Hazbin, as if that'll suddenly fix the glarring contradictions in Helluva Boss
Relax on the text
Its not just one person lol
Incase you haven’t noticed viz tends to wright before she thinks and likely just said “wait for hazbin” cause she couldn’t think of any excuse and didn’t want to sound incompetent
Vivienne doesn’t animate it herself, she hires people for that. She hires writers, music producers. All she does is direct the show and design some characters
No fuckin way u thought only Viv animates on this show wtf. I don’t think she ever even animates on this show
The show doesn't understand "adult animated show" and just uses tons of juvenile humor and swears to make-up for that
Yeah, make it mature. Not childish. Altho I think most fans are under 15. Just from what ive seen online.
@@Snekysnitch unfortunately, and I think thats why the show is the way it is, they are trying to keep the young fans attention
@@secretformulathief910Even when There's a 16+ warning before every episode
@@sonicfanboy3375 There is?
@@sonicfanboy3375 it says "It's intented for mature audience" so not really precized age (teens would probably go 'I am mature enough'. or just ignore anyway)
After watching this vid, i totally agree with you. In your section of losing story, i feel like thats my biggest gripe with this whole series. I feel like they have forgotten the whole idea that they made, which was going up in the human world and killing people. I just wish during season 1 its just them fighting humans and getting more developed characters (millie loona and octavia. You just said everything thats on my mind so thank yoy
Edit "You." Sorry for the typo
That’s the problem with most new shows they act like filler episodes are bad, you can’t have story without filler episodes to see what it’s like without important story being shoved in ur face
But.. was helluva ever meant to be that show?
This show really went to assassins in hell to a drama filled mess of characters,ships and weird developments.
Here's some other points my friend and I noticed about the series-
1) It's specifically the queer men that get sexualised, barely any of the girls and women are. For example, when Moxxie is talking serious to his father and they added a joke where... certain objects popped up through every wall, completely killing the tone and how seriously the scene is to be taken.
2) The show wants people to pity Blitzo when he himself is a very toxic person that hurts the people around him, along with a few other characters. They portray the abuse Blitzo and Loona commit as comical a lot of the time and still treat them like they're just "flawed characters".
3) Some of the villains aren't even... villains persay. In Ozzie's episode, Millie and Moxxie are presenting romantic scenes so everyone can see in an establishment intended for sexual themes and atmosphere specifically. Ozzie and Fizzaroli are just doing their jobs when they try to get the two to stop their romantic musical number, it wasn't malice.
There are plenty more flaws and bad aspects to the show and it's writing, but those are just a few I remember noticing and talking about. Honestly if they want to write a show about a toxic, flawed individual, they should see how Bojack was written to show that Blitzo's behaviour is not excusable. I get it's a show about Hell but even then they shouldn't try glorifying the things that happen there.
Not to be devil's advocate, but I dont totally agree with these points.
1. I've noticed this too, the male characters are getting sexualized much more. I'm not a huge fan but it's almost always the other way around where the female characters are sexualized at every corner and men cannot be sexualized ever. I'd prefer both to be sexualized, but only men being sexualized is pretty refreshing.
2. I mostly agree with this. I particularly hate that Loona is never held accountable and given the "been through the system and has trauma" excuse for why she's allowed to mistreat her friends. I think Blitzo is well-handled though. Flawed characters are perfectly fine as long as their actions are recognized as BAD, including from the cast of the show, and the bad characters suffer consequences for their actions. Blitzo is a good flawed character because this criteria is met and he's clearly suffering from his own actions. Loona is not.
3. Helluva has a range of villains and antagonists. Most of the villains (aside from Stella) aren't evil. They simply have contrasting motivations and desires compared to our protagonists. Verosika, Stolas, Striker, Fizz, even the Cherubs are written as either full-on victims or simply characters with different goals. It's good variety and makes the villains feel more three-dimensional imo.
I would recommend murder drones more it also on this platform i don't care at all
@@Tijopi11I love how you said devil's advocate since this is called Hellava Boss.
Especially number 2, they want us to root and feel bad for Blitz so badly, but I just can’t, and it doesn’t help he’s right half the time and gets to sleep with whoever he looks at because he’s the boss and a chad in bed, I guess?
(Brandon will always his iconic voice though)
Now I get he’s the main character of an adult show, and his backstory gives us a look at why he’s the way he is, but there’s no relatability or anything likable, he’s an imp I know but the show goes back and forth constantly on whether we should feel bad and empathetic for these characters or just let it slide because they’re in hell and it’s expected.
I stopped watching helluva boss a while ago, cause it’s unhealthy how much I have a problem every time a character so much as breathes xd
Although the one thing I don’t have a problem with is the villains, lots of people rant how there’s either too many or the same ones returning, when they’re built up to be threatening and then get underused, I understand, but literally everything has that “villain of the week” kind of thing, but it is annoying when they’re built up as menacing and important to the plot, and then become pointless and non threatening and just a common thug.
Other than that, man do I hope HB finds its footing one day, cause it’s too much of a mess, I don’t hate it, but I hope it does better.
Really is the show good though with good humor i already know that answer no i would change that and also striker being not interested in anyone interested i mean love i was just changed that nothing more nothing less maybe i don't know yet
I agree with everything you said and also i feel like one of the biggest problem with this show is that it doesn't know what it want to be. Like the show can't decide if its a episodic show that resets the status quo, for every new episode or a serialized series with on going arcs, a romance drama show or a fast paced comedy etc
Not to mention the world building, it has a lot of flaws , like it has been years since the series released and we still don't know what happens when a demon die.
Also the fact that Stolas feels more like a main character than Millie says a lot about thr character writing
@@a_naotenhonome780hey! You clearly forgotten that helluva boss is a show for da BOYYYSs!! That’s why all the female cast are given no character development cause it’s all about da BOYSSS!! And then viz immediately contradicts herself cause I guess she forgot about episode 5 season 2 and episode 8 season 1 which was already done by the time viz made that tweet btw 💀
Having a defence of helluva boss’s terrible world building be that it’ll be explained/fixed in hazbin hotel is like having a mechanic ruin your car and telling you not to get mad at him because the other mechanic you’ll take your car to will fix it instead.
I don’t watch Helluva Boss too much, but I know the general characters and plot lines and watched some of it. I just wish some creators realize that cursing every 5 seconds or adding in a swear to a sentence doesn’t equal maturity or “adult content.” Sometimes it just feels unnatural or ruins the whole vibe for me. I dunno. Just my opinion.
No youre right
That’s honestly exactly it! They substitute actual depth and adult story telling for adult themes, sex jokes and gore and think that’s good enough to make it an adult show. But they don’t change the way they write, so it comes off less as adults writing a show for other adults, and more like a child’s idea of what makes a show “for adults”. But what makes a show adult is not only the themes, but also the issues the characters face and how they react to them. The characters have to act like adults first, and then you write the story around them. But none of the characters in Helluva Boss feel like adults, and you can only write a story so mature with such childish focal points.
Viv said somewhere that a swear is all it takes to make her laugh, so that’s why it happens every 10 seconds.
As someone who usually swears a lot I agree. But also I don't swear as much as how much cursing they put in the show I mean it's overly exaggerated. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this.
I think a very big oops when it came to villain Crimson came in the aptly-titled episode "Oops," by which I mean the fact that he was seemingly killed off. Crimson was set up as a huge threat in his first appearance, with a masterful ending that shows Crimson silently swearing revenge at IMP. He only interacts with Moxxie in this one episode. In "Oops," Crimson is brought back, but they don't do anything with his character, as the episode revolves around Blitzo and Fizzarolli. But the big thing is that Crimson appears to die in the episode when his warehouse explodes. While he isn't shown dead, we don't see that he survived, unlike with Striker. This may be a fake-out death, but it's hard to believe he survived when he's not shown escaping and someone else is. If they did kill Crimson off in this episode, this was not the way to do it. He should've been defeated by Moxxie; Crimson is Moxxie's most personal enemy. It also should've been done later in the series to build suspense. Speaking of suspense, if this is a fake-out death, then all suspense around the character's next move is gone. Especially since it's been established that Crimson's mafia is financially struggling; that was why Crimson tried to marry Moxxie to Chaz in his first appearance, and why he took Fizzarolli hostage - he outright said "We really need a big score right now" when interviewing Striker. Sure, it shows Crimson's desperate for money, but it also shows that the mafia is relatively low on resources, which kind of diminishes the threat that Crimson was set up to be. What were the writers thinking when they did all this?
Crimson's character was done a horrible disservice in the episode "Oops" that both wasted his character's screen time and totally undermined him as a threat.
No way crimson would just die like that. That doesn't make any sense
@@tapijtzweet6854 Exactly! If he is dead, a potentially cathartic conclusion to Moxxie's character arc is now gone. And if he's not, why would you do a fake-out death for him but have Striker shown to clearly survive? That just doesn't make any sense.
I doubt hes dead, if striker survived it looking like that its very unlokely he died. Itll probs be something like idk his underlings blocking it or whatever
@@thatminer7174Striker is a very tough individual; it's believable that he escaped. There is no evidence Crimson has the kind of skill required to do so; he's on the older side, and he can only really pose a threat when he has minions or a gun. Even if he isn't dead, explaining how he survived will be very hard to buy into; you yourself can't explain it.
@@Bahr_2006I think that I saw that just before warehouse exploded one of crimson’s minions was going to protect him as we see him putting his hand on his shoulder.
I haven’t watched this yet but I’m saying thank you for saying this show isn’t perfect the fanbase is so toxic they bully you into thinking it’s perfect
I’m not a writer but it makes me wonder how they fumbled the plot line that bad making them childhood friends and not dedicate a scence where blitz and Stolas talk about their relationship.!
The issue is that there was apparently a big conflict in the writer's room about whether Stolas and Blitzo's whole situationship is a toxic, blackmail-y thing that Stolas is using to get his rocks off at the expense of his wife, child, and family reputation or a blossoming romance with a rocky start where both sides can do no wrong and it seems that, in season 2, the conflict ended up in Vivzie getting her way and making the whole thing a badly done blossoming star-crossed friends-to lovers romance where both characters can do no wrong. Point is: Vivzie sucks at writing.
@@shadekerensky3691 fr? Is this true? It would make sence. Do you have the source? :)
@@Snekysnitch Sadly no, it was meant as an inference based on how different seasons 1 and 2's writing are compared to each other, I doubt if something that big happened that Vivziepop would let it get out so easily.
They arent childhood friends. They hung out for one day and blitzo stole his shit. Stolas saw them as friends, Blitzo didn't. That's why their "relationship" was never addressed. Blitz only began having feelings after he started fucking him in order to use the grimoire lol
Helluva Boss is stuck in a weird limbo, wanting to be a "sitcom" and a "drama-slice of life" at the same time.
Which does not help the narrative of the show, as the two are at constant odds with one another.
EDIT: admittedly last episodes have been better, but i can still find some incontinencies and leap of logic here and there
The show is capable of being these things but the direction is what's hurting it. Brandon Rogers, the voice of Blitzø, has written episodes and skits in his RUclips channel with Adam Neylan. From what I've read Adam, Brandon and Vivienne are writers of the show, but I'm wondering if Vivienne is the one who is directing things since all of Brandon and Adam's work on Brandon's channel have been really good and made you feel for the characters.
@@estebangutierrez160wow didn’t know he’s a good writer 😂!
My main issue with helluva boss's writing is that it relies too much on fanservice. In the more recent episodes especially, the writing relies on what would get their audience the most turned on, which is why we have so many scenes of things like Moxxie crossdressing or Fizzaroli being gay for Asmodeus. It is honestly cringeworthy and obvious that these scenes exist more to please the fans rather than have relevance to the plot or characters.
See, I see this accusation occasionally, but there's one reason I'm skeptical of it: if they were really doing things just because they're trying to please fans, then wouldn't Loona be getting a lot more screen time?
@@Corrector1 Up to you if you thinks its true or not, but the reason I often see put forward is that Viv really likes fetishizing mlm relationships and gay men in general- that of which do have a market by fans/yaoi people that often even outweigh the horny for Loona ppl lol
Besides, yes, Loona actually has a very large fan base, but if you think that 90% of her fandom is furry, well I don't think they really care that she has screen time, she just exists in the background being " hot" is enough for them @@bumblebee3630
Geez is it fanservice or fan pandering at that point? There is a difference
... Dude, you're watching a show about demons in hell and none of them are really heterosexual. And ,if that's the problem for you ? Than you are the one with some issues.
This show is lgbtq+ positive. Deal with it
Funny thing is, I found this video specifically becuase a person in the HB fandom hivemind ranted about youtube recommending it to them.
Are you serious?!, that's amazing! 🤣
Helluva boss is the current Steven Universe. we all got overinvested and now were realizing its a deeply flawed show.
Sadly with very similar fandoms
@@nevenavan2155 at least it'll be fun to talk about, all the nerds my age have hot takes about SU.
Steven Universe was good for the most part. It began to crumble after a while. Which we can’t say the same for Helluva Boss since it failed basically from the start.
@@grAnita-Yeah I wish they stuck with the episodic murder spree idea instead of it being a background detail or just more lore for the characters
@@grAnita-when did Steven Universe start to crumble? Just curious
I ignored a lot of these issues but the biggest punch in the gut was how they downgraded Striker. I was more excited to see him again than anyone. The voice change is fine, it's how he turned into a joke in his second episode. He isn't a threat anymore. My only other thing that is irritating is Stolitz going back to normal after THE BIGGEST MOMENT IN THE SHOW
If these problems don't approve then Helluva boss should of just been 5-10min stories and shorts on adult swim
Improve, you mean?
Damn auto correct…
How the hell does morality work in this show? Because Crimson, Stella, and Striker are bad guys because they're abusive and/or murderous......but our main characters we're supposed to be rooting for are all also murderers. Blitzo and Millie especially have made it clear they don't care about killing innocent people, so that makes them objectively terrible people too, right?
It seems like bad things are only bad when the main characters don't like it, and it's weird that the show whiplashes from taking murder and violence seriously when other characters do it, but when it's the main characters doing it then it's played as a joke.
That’s one issues of the setting of hell because if u use the real world understanding of it makes when things happen to character harder to care about heck check angel dust from hazbin he’s being abused by Valentino and honestly why would I care vizzie explains things that don’t need to be explain yet and things she should explain she doesn’t and this is a major flaw cuz if u don’t people aren’t gonna care about certain events
This is such a good point I wish more ppl brought up bc it’s the same with Hazbin, like in Hazbin it’s shown that being manipulative is bad but also cannibalism is js a quirk ig?
What’s bad is js what the writers wants bad to be bad.
Shows like helluva boss and Hazbin Hotel give this plelasent feeling of "at least my writing isn't that bad"
Also... that excuse that Hazbin Hotel is to focus on the female characters is so embarrassing
Personally, i dont think she can turn it around, simply because she doesn't listen to the criticism. And okay, she cana do whatever she wants, but her works will always be lukewarm at best
Didn't she also say that Angel Dust was one of if not her most developed character? Take it with a grain of salt, I forgot where I heard it. But I wouldn't be too surprised, seeing as he got his own music video before the main character and she always excuses things in her show(s).
Seeing people give out that excuse of HH being more female led and HB being male led is brain numbing. Even if your work focuses on one demographic the rest of your cast needs to be just as thoughtful in terms of writing
Right? Like that's just an insane thing to say. Like what exactly is the point of making that writing choice? Why??
@@SirLuckySlime
I am from the future, and you were right
Not only the males got the best songs of the show, but Charlie and Vaggie were the least developed characters and couple
@@leavemealone802 Don't forget that the main male cast is significantly more interesting and well-thought-out than the girls. I don't think I even need to explain Angel Dust, but Alastor is given such significance, his own scenes, and a lot of character. Sir Pentious was straight up redeemed. Lucifer even had his own relevant story. And the girls? Practically nothing.
If you're just not good at writing women, that's okay. It's just a flaw in your writing to work on. On the other hand, lying and making excuses for poor writing is what's really wrong.
As someone who really likes this series. I appreciate this video. It’s fair, not hateful, and provides advice on how to improve. Great job maybe I should show Viv this video!
Honestly appreciate your words, I honestly don't try to go for critic points, my channel nowadays is more a mix of what I wanna see and opinion pieces, never expect less of that from me, again, thank you
@@GeekToons Hey did you see the new episode? It’s really good in my opinion probably the best season 2 episode so far.
Yeah I have, a few of the issues I brought up are slowly getting resolved bit by bit, and I love to see it
Sadly, I doubt vivzie will watch the video. Even if she does, she likely won’t acknowledge the criticism/suggestions and improve. It’s been months now with plenty of videos, most of which try to not sound like “”haters.””
@@GeekToonsDid you see Mammon’s Magnificent Musical Mid-Season Special?
I feel like the show is almost written like a comic, it wants to always move on to the next thing, introduce a new villain of the week every episode, maybe bring them back if their popular
Stoliz Shippers remind me of Erehistu shippers from AOT, they constantly demand that the series be changed to better represent their narrative
The only difference is that Eren and Historia is a ship with somewhat decent writing and chemistry, while stolitz just comes out of fuckin nowhere
@@saragoodman1020 Eren and Historia never even held hands
@@SirToaster9330 Spoilers for AoT
Atleast it made way more sense then Eren Mikasa.
Helluva Boss is my Promised Neverland. I loved season 1. I saw it as set up, as most first seasons are. Episodes to give us the situation and let us get to know the characters and their struggles and whatnot, and I think that's fine.
But season 2 just hasn't given me what I wanted at all.... I can't bring myself to keep watching until I hear that things improve.
But the promised neverland fiasco is miles above helluva boss, I adore the first season of promised never land and saw Season 2 and was rush as hell
I can't imagine how bad it musta been for manga fans to see such a famous franchise be disrespected to such a degree, Is up there as one of the worst anime ending our there
@@Haphu15 Well, it's not like the manga was any better. Trust me, I read it all and after the events of the first season, it's only downhill....
@lorisjuniorfavaro8612 it is? I hear something about the golding pond being great but afterwards I hear something about Emma mastering talk no jutsu or something
@@Haphu15 It definitely is, Helluva Bods was just a closer series for me.
I’ve heard mixed things from the manga. On one hand the writing is better and the scenes get more attention and we get to meet some interesting characters. On the other hand Emma is a bit of a Mary Sue in that she always gets her way, often without any major struggles. I’ve not read the manga myself though.
@@CloudsAndDays I see, makes sense, I still love helluva boss despite its many flaws and I admit I was feeling dread over the writing in previous episodes
However, these last 2 episodes oops and mammons musical had everything that made me love the show in the first place, so personally I want to see how it goes, I came this far so I gotta see it through, but you points are very valid of course
Helluva boss villians bug me so much.
Because the majority of them have so much potential to be really fun characters with actual motivations and personality and tension but they get dumbed down for jokes or for our main cast to be 'witty'
Here's some examples:
Stryker: Sourthern dude who doesn't like the unholy s word but also has the statue??
Stella: Evil abusive partner no actual personality only exists to be Stolas' bitch of a wife and Octavia's incubator
Verosika: bitchy ex gf
Crimson: I try to ignore him because he is so bad, like I genuinely get second hand embarrassment whenever he shows up. This is like wattpad fanfic tier bad.
Chaz: Chaz is honestly meaningless as a character, you could replace him with a piece of cardboard and it would be the exact same, plotwise.
Fizz: No longer a villian really, got "uwuified" like Stolas, but I mean atleast it was some development... Wish it took like 2 episodes minimum for Blitz and Fizz to be buddy‐buddy again but this is the best we got so far.
Edit, forgot to include Barbiewire.
Barbiewire: actual textbook definition of a groomer. But "nooo its okay he's 18, even though Barb refers to him as a teenager implying that she sees him as one and that she's specifically targetting teenagers because she can abuse her power over them and extort them for drugs. 🥺"
They really don't get dumbed down for jokes.
What word is that? And he is not against sex.
Stella has a personality, sadistic, spiteful, petty, prideful, etc are aspects of it. She exists to be the main antagonist actually.
Verosika is still a fun villian though.
Crimson is not so bad. Nah he's a good villain too.
Not really, Chaz had a purpose but he is a dumbass.
Fizz was still a villain and is still evil. Being sympathetic means "uwufied"? Ok then how is that a bad thing? Eh it still took a lot of time for Fizz to forgive him.
Using him and manipulating doesn't exactly equal grooming though so no she isn't a groomer.
@@Jdudec367
grooming
/ˈɡro͞omiNG/
noun
noun: grooming
3.
the action of attempting to form a relationship with a child or young person, with the intention of sexually assaulting them or *inducing them to commit an illegal act such as selling drugs* or joining a terrorist organization.
@@noviibutnotactive8385 So...where is the child here? Also it's still kinda disingenuous, when people say groomer nowadays they only think of one thing.
@@Jdudec367 Reread my reply. It also includes a young person in thw definition, like a teenager, (which Barbie refers to him as)
So yes, by the definition it is grooming.
@@noviibutnotactive8385 So is manipulation itself grooming?
Another issue is how much cursing is in the show. Like it’s one thing to have cursing… but it feels like the creators forced curse words into every single sentence, like they think a million curse words is “cool”. Like seriously… you don’t need to curse every 5 seconds. We get it, it’s an adult show. What’s really annoying is when they emphasize or dramatize a curse word like “fuck” or “bitch”, as if it’s supposed to be shocking… but it isn’t. We aren’t children… curse words don’t impress us, especially when you use one every 5 seconds
The recent episode just confirmed they're going to make every Sin the same as Bee and those ranked below are treated fairly and as equals by the Rulers of Hell, might as well retcon that Social Ladder out of existence and the introduction to Hell which made it clear this entire place is awful because they mean nothing at this point.
I still don’t get why sinners are stuck in the pride ring? Why are sinners higher up in the social ladder than hellborns?! Cause that mess up to prioritize sinners over ur own natural born citizens. I hope Hazbin Hotel answers these when it gets out. I felt like Helluva Boss make up lore as it goes.
@@ling5470 it won't, because Viv answered some of this questions on interviews/twitter, so why implement it into the story...
Anyway, Sinners are stuck because Lucifer is a jealous type and just wants them there, for some reason
I mean, while it still is concerning, Ozzie was forshadowed to not be a bad guy... in some regards. like, he is the sin of lust, you can't force per say someone to droll over someone else, unless you make good enviroment for it. And his relationship with Fizz also was shown before, so if we are rooting for IMP, then we are also seeing Asmodeus as a good guy.
Bee was made like that mostly because it's a Kesha self-insert, so there's not much to talk about.
Maybe some other sins will be better... but if yes, then showing us two ''good' ones first is stupid. And with the social ladder, also, the whole Moxxies dad thing is stupid. Ok, he might be powerful in some way, so people in greed are listening to him, but for one, he was shown to be stupid, second, why fishman are above imps, if they are just as stupid, or even below their power level? Outside of Frizz (and let's say, rest of the circus), people from Wrath are on Millie level, and she killed most of the mafia in one go. Why???
@@ling5470Its bassically comparing a human to animal.
Even thought the natural demons Are sapient unlike animals on earth.
A mix of both Lucifer's jeoulosy And God's favoritism For Humans they Are juuuust above everyday demons Like the imps/succubi/And such.
Wouldn't it be cooler if the show was more about The Every Man vs The Elite? Like.. that's what it seemed to me at first
I hated the fact that after stolas literally almost died the show moved on like it could’ve been the perfect moment for Blitz to idk rethink his feelings about stolas but no they just moved on. Tbh Helluva Boss feels like a kids show where it doesn’t rlly have a plot continuing to the next episode cuz kids don’t rlly need to follow it cuz they are so young like Peppa pig for example peppa got red shoes where she said she’ll never take them off but wow suddenly next episode it’s like she never got them and we just moved on that’s what helluva boss feels like
In unhappy campers i especially feel bad for moxxie because they keep saying he's in the wrong when the writers screwed him over again. Literally nothing was his fault, they made Millie spot the bad guy right at the start and proceed to bully him for the rest of the episode (which i guess was for comedy but it just falls flat for the rest of the episode). Hes actually given a chance to use his abilities or look more confident in this episode and nope. And millies said one line that "implied" something. We proceed to not adress her again only if shes being awsome or getting mad at moxxie for RIGHTFULLY being irritated.
He didn't get "rightfully irritated" he wanted to play pretend and waste time not actually doing the job he was soooo invested in, he just got mad that his wife is better than him even though she was being supportive and played along for him. I don't think you realize how much this happens in the show even before this episode.
@@Jane-ow7sryeah but thats not Moxie. The entire problem with this show is that character development doesn't exist for anyone but Blitz. Viv seems to genuinely decide her character's personalities episode to episode by picking out of a hat
@@timeenoughatlast3368yea that was just not moxxie, he was the smart one of the group so seeing him fall flat like that for millie who still didn't get much of a character to herself in the episode was just oof.
Bro I've never seen a show get seasonal rot after just one season 💀
promised neverland?
The Loud House
Tbh I think there’s actually many
My problem with helluva boss, is that the creator has literally shitted herself on the main idea of the series. I'll explain. The attractive of the show is a group of hitman demons killing a person demanded by a client. They did it great in the first season, because they attached to the idea, and had space for a full lore episode. Now in this season 2, they have abandoned this (and yea, summer camp episode is a goofy aah disneyish camp episode with 4 seconds of gore) to make a full season of fan service and songs everywhere (not bad songs, but its a lil bit exaggerated). I would love if they came back to this adult hell sitcom of killing, because is a very original idea.
honestly, i wish helluva boss took a less serious way when it came to story telling
while yes its cool seeing these little characters have their own arcs and their own feelings, i just kind of wish that this show wouldve stayed as like billy & mandy or just a general classic cartoon you know?
because this show has a lot of problems with "ooo massive big sad event happens" and then completely forgets it next episode, but idk thats js how i feel
i'll be really honest the way i enjoy helluva boss as it's fullest is by just unplugging my brain and enjoying the shenanigans the main characters pull off and laugh if theres a funny joke
its kind of a show i do really enjoy watching but i'll never lie to myself and say it's really well written and actually deep or anything its just an entertaining funny and goofy show
it tries to take itself seriously sometimes and again sometimes it does the job well some other times...its just whatever to me i dont even care about the serious side of helluva boss anyway
Honestly same, it took watching the camping episode to REALLY even be pissed at the show. Now going down the rabbit hole of discussions and reviews like DAMN this show is kinda bad but it still feels fun, even if it's bad just a dumb popcorn show.
i watched unhappy campers yesterday and was so unsatisfied with it and when i fell asleep i literally dreamed of a different ending 😭 that episode did not feel right
for anyone wondering what my dream was it still wasn't very good but anyways they were in like a canyon and barbie was about to jump to the bottom and then blitz grabbed her tail to save her and then she pulled her tail back and died and fell in the canyon and then blitz cried 😧 yea like i said not that good
@@beanbugi What do you mean? Your dream had actual stakes in it. actual ramifications on the plot and it shown that Blitz being a toxic piece o shit actually does effect people. It would really get him to open his eyes and deal with the problem there and then because hr just got his SISTER killed.
When the smaller accounts point out more flaws than the bigger ones. Lmao.
it honestly sometimes feels to me like vivzie herself doesn't understand her characters. glaring examples are millie and blitz. it feels like she doesn't understand what to do with a character that doesn't have childhood trauma, when it comes to millie. making her two personality traits that she loves moxx and that she is an aggressive fighter is just... well. then we have blitz. his position as a character is endlessly interesting, both with his personal issues and him being an imp in a transactional relationship with a royalty. but it seems like vivzie hardly understands the concept of class issues and classism. pair it with her becoming stolas-focused, and you get the perfect blend of victimizing and simplifying stolas, while making blitzo out to be the issue. like it's either that she gets extremely swayed by what the headcanons the fandom produces or she genuinely doesn't know what she's talking about
ROUGH Theory: In Hazbin Hotels pilot, we see characters like Luna (Loona) and Blitz. The main message in the pilot was that no one wants redemption, you can't be redeemed because you're always in hell and you had your chance on Earth. So what if that's why we don't see character development, like everything is being reset. But we do see some slow development- so maybe that means the hotel works out in the end. Hmmm
But they are demons now, not sinners. They didn't have a chance on Earth...
Characters like luna and blitz never were on earth since they were always demon so no thiz theory makes zero sense ,try using it for hazbin hitel
They're hell borns... are you like nuts????
The real issue is how blitzo is tiny in one episode and then huge in another . GET PERSISTENT HEIGHTS
Oh,and just remembered - Authors adressed the "Loona not talking" controversy - the voice actress suffers the loss of her husband and they dont want to replace her,so she will get "back in line" once theactress gets better
Actually, Viv confirmed that the reason Loona's been absent is because of budget problems.
Correction, Billy Kametz wasn't Erica's husband, he was her boyfriend, plus she didn't get any speaking roles in parts of Season 2 because during the time, her boyfriend passed away from colon cancer in 2022 and she needed a break to mourn over her loss
@e92312 she'll be back again it's just during the time when they did recording, she wasn't available due to her partner's death but now it's 2023, she's back and should be available to record future episodes I would presume
@e92312That's insanity
I think stolitz having a childhood connection is the dumbest and most unnecessary contribution ever . It does not impact their current dynamic at all . This show is written like fanfiction , with random reoccurring villains , oddly angst-y kidnapping and hostage plots that r swept over . Fizzarolli’s new episode was the most cringe worthy I’ve ever seen with his relationship with Asmodeus and his reaction after being kidnapped
I’m just hoping hazbin hotel won’t have the same problem with the writing
I think they'll have more writers now that it's picked by A24 and all that. So it can go either way. It could get worse or it could get better. Hopefully better. It's up to the writers.
@@nari.oh.356 yeah hopefully better
I personally really like the show, however - this helped me put my issue into words. I think it just frustrates me that the defense is 'Hazbin focuses on women' but even so, the hazbin cast has mostly male characters, and the first episode felt like Angeldust was the protagonist alongside Charlie. Obviously, Hazbin isn't out yet so we'll have to wait and see, but it just feels like both shows prefer their male characters.
Im so mad I wrote such a big project for this series only to re go trough my script and realize its just me grasping at straws and coping about a series that has genuinely awful character writing. I am being serious when i say i think this show would of been amazing if brandon rogers was the main producer/leader instead of vizzie. brandon can and has written some pretty damn good web series that balance character drama and comedy insanely well. helluva boss is trying to be both a character study and episodic comedy at the same time it so painful to watch spindle change the characters fucking personality to fit with whatever dogshit drama/episodic hybrid. (maybe I should write a video on this instead lmao)
He is alrwady heavily involved with the writing process though.
Helluva Boss has some clear, fundamental writing problems that makes it clear this is someone's first draft or official story made into an actual, full-blown series. There's set up, but no payoff. And not in a funny, "subvert expectations" way, like, with Moxxie against his father, they SHOULD have had him not go down in one hit and actually put up a fight. It would have been a perfect moment to show that character growth, it is the most clear linear movement for the plotline. Same for Stolitz's fight at the end of s1; s2, nothing happens because of it.
Personally though I think Stella was in characrer in western energy; she doesn't CARE about gaining Stolas's inheritance. She's already royalty. Her motives had always been to make Stolas pay for screwing her over. Remember, she's rich; she was raised with servants on hand and no consequences for her actions. Basically, she's a spoiled, entitled woman-child because she's never needed to grow up, she's given everything she wants when she wants it, and is waited on by hand and foot. So, yeah, makes sense she doesn't care about the inheritance given she never had. Her brother, on the other hand, is the type to want more power than he even has already.
Yes, agreed. A lot of people are trying to figure out why things went down hill with HB, but it's very obvious even from the start, I think. The animation is beautiful at times, and the voice actors are excellent...but it's clear that a lack of writing experience is at the heart of the problem with this series.
All the issues with the female characters? The poor pacing and this shift to focusing on romance (in a show about assassins in hell, of all things)? All down to the same issue. Fanfiction-like writing. I'm certain a lot of HB's audience are younger, so perhaps they aren't as experienced with certain tropes in fanfiction...but just about everything that is disappointing about the show is actually very much in line with well-established patterns in fanfiction.
The issue with characters like Stella happens constantly in fanfiction of a certain type -- you often have a female character regulated to being a shrieking, soulless harpy who only exists to legitimize the main ship with her awfulness. Strangely, women authors of fanfiction are notorious for shafting and downplaying female characters (if they acknowledge them at all), and you see that quite a bit in HB. Character writing and plot are stripped down to just romantic elements -- again, we're seeing this in HB in real time. And often, when you often read certain types of things, including fanfiction, you're subconsciously affected by it, to the point where it can come out in your own work whether you're aware of it or not.
HB has some good elements, potentially great ones. Like I said, the animation is amazing and getting even better, the voice work is phenomenal, and the lore sounds like it would honestly be fantastic if there was more work put into showing it in the show. But it's clear that they need some good writers to make things work better, but honestly that's not an insult. Story writing is an art, and it's one that takes enormous amounts of practice to perfect, but a lot of people don't realize how much effort is necessary to become a good story teller.
something i just thought about was the whole sibling rivalry thing with millie and her siblings. Guess who also has a similar problem of sibling problems as well? Blitz.
If they want Blitz to reconcile with her sister (or hell, even fizz, who may even see him like a brother or just a close friend), they could have millie reconcile with Sally May as a way to let things go from the past and have a better relationship for the future. Then this type of reconciliation can be used for Blitz next to show that he could do the same with those he previously hurt by whatever reason (plus no one knows yet what exactly he has done to them). This could be a great way to mirror both characters and have Millie be useful for Blitz's story since Viv claimed HB as a "male-centric" show, when in reality they could try something similar to what i just explained.
And if they do something similar to Stella and her brother with their plan to horde Stolas's royal stuff, they both can also go against each other if one becomes greedier and more ambitious than the other, further escalating their relationship, if that happens. Again, if something like this happens to those two, it could have an opportunity to have a dark mirror to Blitz's situation of his loved ones by pushing them away and becoming indifferent and selfish when loving others. Besides, for Stella and her brother, we don't know if they even would try to do something harmful to Via, while the audience has never seen a single interaction between Stella and her daughter. I too also wonder how the writing department will deal with that.
plus, thanks for reading this if you already did and have a wonderful day.
Do you mean Sally May? I don't think Millie has any reason to reconsile with Blitzø's sister.
yup, i accidently put the wrong name, sorry about that@@DolltheFool
I hate that the show has become a soap opera. I don't give two shits about all the tragedies the characters that keep getting thrown at us are going through. Every single character that is put into the show goes through a "woe is me I'm so traumatized uwu" moment. It's supposed to be a comedy. It's supposed to be funny. But it's all dick jokes and trauma porn, it's just not good. It needs to go back to how it was in the pilot
Helluva Boss was always meant to be a mix of comedy and serious.
@@DragonDude233yeah? Well apparently it’s not doing a good job if there are so many valid crits about it
Kinda wish Stolas just died. The story has been begging for a real hit that isn’t just emotional but physical too. I mean sure he had stuff going for him and I liked how he is presented but out of all the main cast he’s the easiest one to get rid of and have it deal a blow to everyone. It would be really interesting to see and would actually shake up the show in a way that isn’t ignorable.
Plus it could also give some good character development to all of the IMP as blitzo most likely does a 180 and there’s some form of large barrier between him and everbody else and millie and moxxie have to front the business for a while (or quit).
I was scared to watch this at first haha but I have now, and I can't help but agree with a lot of what you've said. Hopefully the show can keep working to find its feet!
Thank you for understanding
If I had to nitpick one part of this video is that the show has not established seven villains. Striker, Crimson, Stella, DHORK and C.H.E.R.U.B. are the ones that I would call actual villains. Fizarolli and Verosika may act antagonistic but they are not villains, they're rightfully pissed off people from Blitz's past.
This video is great! Most helluva boss "criticisms" are just people throwing out random reasons why they hate the show. I totally agree with everything you said here and Im a fan of how you not just highlighted the very real flaws with this show, but also said so many things you liked about it too. I can tell you actually watch the show, and dont just hate it. This is very refreshing to see as a longtime Helluva/Hazbin fan.
It's nice seeing another content creator like me critiqueing helluva boss just like me
I like this video keep up the hard work and good luck on your content creation your gonna need it
Appreciate it for sure, sometimes you gotta step up and let people know their show isn't perfect
Now revisiting this video a year later and leaving the Critique side of helluva boss, it's kind of funny how much I've grown from this era lol.
I’ve mentioned this on other review channels, but the main issue with Helluva Boss was how quickly it undermined itself within 2 seasons.
The show was supposed to be a dark, episodic comedy about an assassin business in hell fueled by the rocky relationship between a lowly imp and demon royalty.
Both characters were awful yet redeemable and interesting in their own ways and that made for an intriguing concept.
Now the writing staff threw everything away for an overly dramatic plot that lacks focus and feels more like a badly written fanfic between Blitz and Stolas.
It’s like the staff ran out of ideas way too quickly and now the show doesn’t resemble its pilot nor first episode at all.
I agree with u and I’ve said this multiple time vizzie is like Rebecca sugar the gay fanfic was her actual intent but had make it something else so it can get the green light
ngl, i was disappointed on how striker was introduced back on s2... i feel like he had a HUGE potential as the main villain, the big villain in this series. Potentially, he was my fave (what couldve been) main villain. but BOY was i wrong. the imo unnecessary song, the sudden change of his atittude, the uncharacteristic joke of him having a statue of himself... it just feels off. the voice change also shocked me, but it is forgivable i guess.
overall... i wish he was the main villain, but it is what it is.
You know i find funny just octavia just having more scenes then the actually main cast of girls. The whole show was suppose to show blitz growing more of a demon and being a better boss which they are doing a bit more in the newest episode but it makes no sense on why is so super focus on the ship between him and stolas when it mostly supposed to be him doing his job. The last two episodes with them in the human world was just octavia going there while the second was a really bad episode for me. Mille was still not really getting her character moment while moxxie was still the center of attention. Honestly moxxie was acting more like her son then her husband or just daughter.
I think Hazbin Hotel is where the plot and good writing goes because Helluva Boss I feel like is just more a of a side project made for fun
As much as I enjoy Helluva Boss I have to fully agree with this video. The main things that really bug me are the lack of consistency and the losing the story problem. The biggest moment being the fallout of Blitzø and Stolas at Ozzies then jump forward to season 2 and they are acting like nothing has happened. No awkwardness, no hurt feelings, NOTHING. I really do love the series, the characters, the animation, the setting, everything. Just the writing is a lot of the time all over the place which sucks.
A lot of genuine, valid critiques in the comment section. Too bad a lot of people, especially on Twitter, will completely disregard these.
The sex jokes get old very fast. There cannot be one full emotional part without random sex jokes. It's like middle school all over again, and most of the time, they are not funny. It gets very annoying when they pack each episode full of them too.
For me this whole series is one big flaw
I genuinely love this show ,but there have been some flaws .the show started off as a sitcom where the characters would go to the surfice to kill people which i thought would be the main plot ,but it shifted to wanting to be a drama series that i actually forgot their job was to kill humans for sinners. I don't mind the villains though i feel like some were introduced too early?like Dhorks? Or Maybe it's just me who feels that way . The villains are not evil though (except for Stella) Verosica,Fizz,Ozzy,Cherubs and Dhorks were just doing their jobs while characters like striker have motivations where I.M.P got in the way of his goal . There are many antagonists in the show and i feel like some should be saved for the next season instead of making them villains of the week. Dhorks being saved for the next season seems like a good idea if that's what viv is planning. As for the jokes i feel like they should let a serious sceane stay serious like the one where Moxxie and Crimson are interacting .sometimes there are too many jokes that don't need to be there and the toneshift in some of the episodes like western energy were a bit jarring.
Relax
I compare this Show to the likes of Steven Universe, but at least SU HAD an excuse for its sloppy plot and inconsistencies. What's Helluva Boss's excuse? Bad writing, that's what. It isn't constrained by a company that's trying its damndest to make it fail. Credit where credit is due, Viv is a fantastic animator, but she's a bad writer.
you try splitting your writing between two series, one of which needs to be REALLY high quality compared to the other.
@@moistsocks2188 You don't need to be able to do something to criticize someone else's work. I'm not a chef, but I can tell when food tastes awful.
@@SirLuckySlime I'm just saying that there is an excuse for the writing.
@@moistsocks2188There isn't any excuse for it, there's better shows that actually do focus on the various genders of characters and know what to do with it.
This show is definitely confusing - the episodes (especially recent ones) feel disjointed, it's hard to know what's actually going on with Stolitz and who has the deeper feelings for who, Millie & Moxxie's relationship is one note and there's never enough of Stella or any of the actually interesting characters. It's obvious this is a side project to HH, which is fair enough, but it's a shame the writing as become so lazy.
It's also just baffling in hindsight for a song like "You Will Be Okay", a beautiful lullaby song to be in the same show as Crimson revealing a room full of dildos.
That’s a Helluva lot of flaws!
I relatively agree with the Villain problem, but I also feel that it will be addressed in due time. And Verosika and Fizzaroli aren't "villains". Antagonists to Blitzo maybe, but not villains. The other 5 actually want to cause harm the main cast.
Tbh sometimes i dont like helluva boss cuz i get second hand embarrassment from it sometimes
same but i enjoy it other times, but i’m embarrassed for people in public to know i watch it
@@nitebreak agreed
@@Teapotteahey I’m curious how comes you guys are embarrassed by the public?
I still think episode 1 was the best. It stayed true to what we were shown in the pilot
I don't think Stella is dumb. I think she's single-minded
Great video! I only saw a few episodes of Helluva Boss. The pilot and the first two mainly. Its a shame to learn the characters don't get long lasting development. Hopefully the show improves.
i dont get why ppl say that unhappy campers is millies character development but its just her showing emotions XD
Moxxie still overshadows her, in a cringey off character way, but still.
I feel like viv could point out mox’s lack of actual bite to his bark so to speak in his “development” and give him a mental breakdown scene where instead of just building his confidence he addresses that he can never seem to keep said confidence and when people try to comfort him he gets determined and actually, really stands up for himself without looking pathetic in any
I hate liking Helluvah Boss Bc nearly every episode is ALMOST good. Like… GIRLIE. THERES SOMETHING THERE. YOU WERE SO CLOSE ToT
Thanks to a random HB fan on twitter who complained about having this video in his recommendations, it helps x)
For that you get a high five viewer 🤚
Hope this doesn't get a bunch of harassment because of that...
for stolitz: the reason why they just ignore everything is because Blitzø is trying to just ignore everything to keep a status quoe and being fine. Stolas is just ignoring it because he just wants a world where they can be in love. in OOPS we can see that around Ozzie, Stolas is not ignoring it at all, and knows deep down what he wants will never happen.
Show itself is good but its not focusing on more character traits. Like other shows on tv. She puts out more random characters with a unique flaw that striker for one shows up in 2 while wheres the other ones at?..
I'm sick of cock jokes. At a certain point, it feels like they are forced to do them at gun point for how many there are in a single episode. Is it that difficult to find something else to joke about ?
Also, I hate what they're doing with Stella's character. It feels like they themselves don't know what to do with her ! Sometimes she's plain evil mastermind making threats, sometimes she's just a bitch, sometimes she's just stupid, sometimes she's ashamed of people finding out Stolas is cheating, sometimes she isn't. She isn't a character, she's a narrative tool that change accordingly to fit the narrative.
I would have loved for her to be an evil Disney-like villain, and I was waiting for that after the revelation in "The Circus" but now she just sucks, and it seems like she's a no brainer being coerced by her brother. They wanted the audience to hate her so much that they transformed what could have been a cool character in a cardboard cutout.
What a waste 🤦🏻♀️
the visuals and voice acting was rlly fun and it was nice to have a matute western show without an atrocious art style.
But then the writing in s2 was off so i dropped it
thats it for me
A lot of the stuff you mentioned they are actually starting to improve upon. Also a lot of the stuff about the characters you have to look past the main part of the story so it takes about 5 watches of the entire series to actually understand a lot of it. This was one of their big animations that took off. The show is like the beginning of adventure time they don’t know what they are doing at that moment in time, but later in the show they get a good grasp on what they are doing. I think we just need to give them some more time to get a grasp on the show and what they are doing
Honestly those who nitpick don’t deserve the attention, those who bash people for giving out proper criticism don’t deserve a fight. This gives good criticism much like another vid I have seen, it even gave space for fans much like myself to pitch interesting theories and ideas that we hope could happen. I specifically sincerely hope Loona and Millie have the chance to fully develop. And after seeing the episode showing Beelzebub and the life style of gluttony I can only dream how Loona can finally develop more now with a small group of hell hound friends and a possibility to get a guy for herself after the heart crushing moment she finds out tex is taken.
4:33 There was nothing to suggest they didn't know each other since childhood before S2E1.
Hazbin and Helluva share the same issue where the title of both shows doesn't have a plot that is the title, instead it's dramatic and character development (Helluva boss had 4 episodes in season 1 of assassination atleast. Hazbin hotel had the hotel as a sub plot.)
i love this show to death but i hate the fact that its more shipping based now bc its really just miss understanding after miss understanding to drag it out for 2 seasons they also seem to want character debt but no character development 😭
One of the things i dont like in this show is that seems to be more of a Hazbin sandbox than an actual story they want to tell us. The idea of "demon hitmen killing ppl on earth" is really good, but they never went back on it again, "unhappy campers" sort of did but it was more an episode of the gang doing random unrelated shit with the death of the client at the end. It seems like the show is just a way for vivz to explain the HH lore without having to bother to explain it in the actual show. We dont know how HH is gonna be like, but i dont think they will actually explain the world to us, just make us watch the spin off so we get them more views.
But with problems in HB that should also be explained, they either point at Hazbin Hotel, or explain things on twitter XD
Season one was Great,But now the show is just another shitty "adult show" with sex jokes and characters saying "FUCK" "SHIT" every 5 seconds because It's "funny" and Remember!!!
It's a Cartoon for "Adults"🗿
Yeah i kinda gave up on the show to be more in line with their own story. You can't even make a point without rabid and toxic fans trying to tell you how wron you are, no matter how valid or constructive your criticism is. But to be fair that is with nearly any fandom.
My biggest problem for example is the complete dogshit writing often and villains that are "evil for the sake of being evil".
Best example is Stella. First few episodes i got intrigued and wanted to know why she is the way she is.
But the latest episode with her made it perfectly clear that Vivzie isn't interested in writing actual good and properly developed "villains".
She doesn't have to be made likeable but if i never get to know why a villain decided to become the villain.. well then Deadpool said it best: "Well.. that's just lazy writing."
The latest episode destroyed that already nearly non existant personality she had. But many people said it already that it really seems like Vivzie has a massive boner in writing all females as awful as possible all the time.
I get it. Fetish for gay guys and all. But if that starts to ruin the actual story just to present the main gay characters on a golden platter all the time.. Well.. Not everyone just watches a show or a movie for the main characters only, you know?
There are people who actually are more interested in side characters or villains. If you don't explore them, then why the hell do you even bother making them in the first place? Why even give them a name?
You could just put some shadowy figure on the screen, don't give that character a name and you have the EXACT same endresult, only then i at least don't have to get my hopes up to ever understand why that character is the way he is, since i don't even know who he is or what his name is.
Maybe one day there will be an episode where Stella actually has enough screentime and some backstory why she became so hateful towards everyone. And at this point ANYTHING is better than what we have now. Fuck.. tell me she stubbed her toe badly on a nightstand and that pissed her off so much. Sounds ridiculous, but that still is a better story than what we have right now.
Also the constant retcon of things starts to get annoying.
Even there you have so many people start to find excuses why it is alright to do things. Even going so far to claim "Oh pilots in shows ALWAYS were non canon to begin with." which is absolute dogshit.
Well guess then in Lost people never ever had a planecrash then. They just warped into existence and suddenly where on that island, right?
I absolutely love the show and I’ve had a phase of loving it for a little while now. But it feel like I have been able to find a problem with every episode ever since season 2 episode 2 came out. It’s a good show especially since it isn’t on tv or anything. But it seriously needs some better plot writing.
I absolutely hate how they just always wanna ruined every opportunity for Moxie to shine and subject him to a damsel in distress role. He’s Helluva Boss equivalent to Squidward. Just getting ragged on from left to right.
"he was raised and spent most of his life in greed, hence his not very wrathian values"
he doesn't have greed values either though 🤷
It’s very obvious that Stolas is her fav and she wants it to be ours too 💀
Yeah, it's problematic and I want it to be a little better but I'm just glad there's a full fletched independent animated series on RUclips.
i don't mind the villain thing, i think the first season was just to establish all the upcoming problem they'll face, now with only Striker being the first reacurring threat, we could be seeing more like the CHERUBS, Murder Family, the Feds and many more after.
now for some actually critism which is the pacing and tone. The tone problem is the same as Marvel phase 4. They rush the hurt and get straight to the emotional gratification, basically speedrunning hurt/comfort, ruining key emotional moments with mediocre humor at best.
the pacing is god awfully, and you can tell how they wrote the episodes from that as well. They'll have one good key moment for an episode and everything is build up to that moment, but they end up not revising the episodes so the build up feels like a kid in Fortnite whipping 90s in 2 second flat rather than a slow build up so the emotional moment actually feels impactful.
i get that the show is just an online serie made by a small team for free, but these are still real problems they have to fix one day.
Honestly without looking back at the episodes to reference, i dont think we ever had a episode where they had to go up to earth to kill except in unhappy campers. I think if they made the agents in truth seekers the real threat that season the story would've been a bit more smooth?
I do notice that sometimes the episodes Speedrun themselves and sometimes try to shove in a as much as they can in them