Here’s what World War II veterans say about Brexit
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- Опубликовано: 12 июл 2016
- In Britain, which seems to have an insatiable appetite for wartime history, the sacrificed soldiers of World War II were resurrected by the Brexit campaign. The lead up to the EU referendum saw both sides appeal to the legacy of WWII to make their case. It seemed like political campaigners were prepared to speak on behalf of long-since-dead soldiers - so we went to meet with some living war veterans, all men in their 90s, to talk about the upcoming Brexit.
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This report was very biased about taking a neutral position.
Well it is Vice after all.
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+Adam McAllister Thanks Adam. You know the specific point I'm sort of making.
Thats literally an oxymoron.
How would you know that. Do you know the distribution of ww2 vets and their opinions? If the vets are 99:1 a 50:50 representation isnt representative.
Whoa! Vice did a piece that doesn't take one side or the other? What is this deviation?!?!
Fooled you!
Apart from the veterans' opinions...there were the voices of David Cameron and Gordon Brown...both prominent politicians (and ex PMs) and both 'Remainers'.
Did you hear the questions she asked? "Scared...?"
It's over...we're leaving...DEMOCRATICALLY.
While I've got your attention...you do know complaining about the result of the referendum is anti-democratic, don't you? (Much like the EU...they don't listen to the people's opinion either).
"Vice News" sometimes can actually be pretty non-partisan sometimes, they aren't nearly as bad as some left leaning blogs e.g. (Huffington, Gawker, Buzzfeed). Probably because the "Vice News" part of Vice actually does journalism and not just blogs.
What if they asked 100 veterans and only 2 wanted to remain/leave?
It wasn't balanced, it just took the side you agreed with
This is a hit piece of an any generation older than the 'millenials'.
Probably the most arrogant generation in history.
I'm a so-called gen-x'r. they called us stupid, which may be true.
But fuck, these millenials think they know everything because 'the internet said so.'
These men fought for the freedom of Britain, Europe and the world over. Regardless of where one stands on Brexit, I salute them.
They figth for british empire and Queen
@@LondonPower your Empire doesnt exist though does it haha?
So do I. Me, I voted to stay in, but if we have a vote, whatever it is about, we have to respect the result, that's democracy.
"Negotiations are already on their way" well that didn't age well
😂
Nailed it...
Underway
Neither did your comment. All hail King Boris.
Morph 1981 he’s a pompous egg doesn’t know how to run a country. I really don’t know how he got such a vast majority of the votes.
Statistics don’t lie that most of the people who voted leave didn’t go to university or maybe even college.
How dare old people who fought for this country have the right to vote on our future......For people that do not understand sarcasm im being sarcastic...
How dare they? They are the reason you aren't speaking German right now.
+cameron emery he was being sarcastic. He was showing how stupid people sound when they say elder people shouldn't be allowed to vote in the referendum.
+cameron emery now ask yourself, how come that the majority of people can spot obvoius sarcasm and you are unable to do so? Can it be that you are lacking some neurons? Are you by any chance flipping burgers right now? what did the costumer say? cola, fanta or sprite?
+cameron emery Soviets are the only reason Europe doesn't speak German.
cameron emery
It's sarcasm bro.
It seemed like political campaigners were prepared to speak on behalf of long-since-dead soldiers - so we went to meet with some living war veterans, all men in their 90s, to talk about the upcoming Brexit.
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More shit - This is just pointless.. They got to share their views - There was a FUCKING referendum if you wern't aware...
BREXIT FTW!
Please don't breed. How can you defend leaving the EU when it wiped so much off of the global markets in one day. How can you defend it when the pound dropped to a place it's not been since 1988? British Exit from the EU won't work and in twenty years time the UK will be a husk of what it once was and will be asking to be back in the EU, and honestly even as a Scotsman, I want them to say no and punish every short sighted bigoted idiot that believed anything the leave camps said. We're only a couple of weeks after the result and almost every thing they said has been repealed or proven false.
Because our sovereignty is worth more than any bankers market. Stick on your Gucci shoes and go to your cocktail bar you fool. We lost half a million men defending ourselves from them very people. Oh you keep going on about our banks. You keep forgetting about the Italian banks at the moment? Then theres the Spanish and Portugese banks. Then of course all this is pushing the French banks to stumble. I cant understand you argument, its the EU suffering more than anyone including us,so your just rambling on as usual like all the remainers did. Lie lie with a tipple of fear
He's still PM for a few more hours Vice
Seeing Cameron using the veterans as a political tool made my skin crawl .
Choccy like many leave voters sadly.
Cameron. The over privileged public school Bully Boy. The offspring of a secret Tax Avoidance Spiv. He’ ran away to hide in a £25.000 Wendy house . When the going got tough.
Choccy- You mean the way hard leavers do?
@@Garmez120 both sides do.
Toby The Phantom Although I’ve countered with the ‘they fought for peace and unity’ argument myself, I honestly don’t think I’ve heard one Remainer attempting to open the subject of the ‘war dead’ as a guilt trip, whereas it seems a standard rant for the Leavers?
Never mind Brexit all I want to say is Thank you gentlemen . Scotland sends its regards
Because we only voted to stay in the UK because we wanted to stay in the EU, that was the big threat Camoron and Brown used to convince the undecided. Now look... do we jump ship? Funny thing, if there is a hard border in the Irish Sea the act of union is broken and Scotland can walk. And take the money put aside in 1707 for when the union is dissolved which was only supposed to be temporary. Even if you calculate its current value based on bonds over that time it’s still worth in excess of 50 billion English pounds... See ya x
The Russians did more
Patrik Zácsi
Are you stupid?
@@PoweredbyRobots now the Irish are wanting to leave EU and are willing to forgive and forget northern ireland.
Savannah Rose Digital Illustration we are in our arse going to join in this madness, we will do quite nicely out of all the uk companies moving their HQs here thanks
Whats this? unbaised reporting? getting even number of both sides of the debate?
is it really 2012? do i need to pinch myself?
it's not 2012, actually. are you a time traveler?
+aednil oh god. I don't know. what worm hole did I crawl into?
kerchew
"what worm hole did I crawl into?" how would I know? but, if you find out, please let me know where that wormhole is, I'd like to go back to 2012.
Unbiased reporting from VICE of all places, truly a marvel
Lmao its not 2012, its the current year.
A balanced and insightful piece on a political issue from Vice?
What is the meaning of this?
A continuation of what they usually do; making one video for one side, and then they make a separate video for the other side, and on both videos you have whiny bitches like you screaming about how it's propaganda.
+Zedek kek
I'm sorry, but you either haven't exposed yourself enough to Vice enough or always blatantly agree with what their articles say to think that way. Vice simply is another manipulative corporate media outlet these days without a doubt.
suckmysilencer747
Maybe you're right about that, but I what *know* for a fact is that, for example, let's say they are covering Israel/Palestine.
-I go to the video interviewing the Palestinian perspective, and the comments are flooded with angry Jews calling it leftish propaganda.
-I go to the video interviewing the Israeli perspective, and the comments are flooded with angry Muslims calling it zionist sellout propaganda.
You're not going to convince me otherwise; this behavior is clearly visible in any and all controversial issues. Literally the same shit happened with the latest Brexit videos. *ALL* of them had negative ratings, and were filled with the opposition, with each side calling it propaganda.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The _only_ difference here is that they made a single video with both perspectives intermingled, and that it pertained to veterans that _everyone_ respects.
+Zedek they actually they make mostly left wing videos all biased and twisted... And a ton of videos on weed and gender perversions, which speaks a lot about who they are, really.
"We spent 6 years trying to keep the enemy out and now we've allowed them to walk in."
As a German I find this adorable.
As a leaver I don't agree with that. The Germans are nice people now. The Nazis are gone. We don't hate you guys we just want to put our own interests first for once because no one else does. We have so many people living on our streets and can't get housed and they are advertising for immigrants to come here saying if you come here we will give you a house and and income while our own people die on the roadside. It's a joke
I imagine the Germans feel the same way nowadays with Merkels reckless open door policy. Regardless of Brexit I ❤ German people.
You made my day. Thank you
Germans are awesome, amazing people! Why should we judge you all for the past when the future is so peaceful and happy
@@PasscodeAdvance sure. No one cares if they are good or nice people, we don't want them walking in.
So when I first saw the title of the video, I was concerned about how my opinion on this matter would bias me to like or dislike this video.
This kind of neutral Journalism however left me with no choice but to like.
Vice has its moments. There have been several topics where I found their videos to be more insightful and better pieces of journalism than anything from the big guys.
Fascinating
Wilhelm von Laer
20 years ago there was only neutral journalism.
A fantastic piece from Vice. This is the kind of content that we want to see!
What I find really interesting is that these veterans have just as wide ranging views as everyone else. People often lump them together as one interest group, but they are just people with different opinions just like the rest of us.
Exactly, this is journalism as it should be, as opposed to many other pieces also from Vice. Two sides and their arguments, no bias or taking sides.
Yes vice is good for retards who arnt already aware that people are individuals...
Yeah vice has been going down hill with alot hate there posting
Winston churchill back boned the idea of the EU.
I know! During the end of ww2 and during the 1950s-1990s, Id say the world was changing from very conservative views to very liberal and "tolerant" views. Its good to see some people actually want a more conservative Europe in my opinion. A unified Europe doesnt work if its destroying it from the inside.
Why do so many people make this mistake?! They left the EU, NOT Europe.
A damm big difference.
Yah but if they could move their shitty little island further away from brown people they totally would
The UK hasn't left anything. They held a non-legally binding referendum, the legal equivalent of a poll. The UK won't leave until they invoke Article 50, which may or may not ever happen. PM May indicates she will invoke it but, as CGP Grey points out in his latest video, as long as May does *not* invoke Article 50, the UK holds the upper hand in exit negotiations with the EU. Once it's invoked, however, the negotiating tables are turned in favour of the EU (which is likely why the EU wants the UK to invoke Article 50 immediately).
It's therefore in the best interests of the UK to hold off leaving as long as they possibly can. Who knows? Maybe forever.
Not sure how the UK holds the upper hand by not signing Article 50 when big investment is likely going to hold out of the UK not the EU, so really we can't afford to let it drag on too long whereas the EU it doesn't matter as much because not much changes for them but I do agree that if and when Article 50 is signed, the EU has us where they want us, but that's always going to be the case, if we sign this year or the next, personally, I think they are buying time to see what's what and see if it's really worth it.
Why does the USA call itself America, and say things like Mexico is not in America. Technically North America and South America are the Americas. It's the same thing, it's just colloquial language. No one believes the UK is technically leaving the continent. Well most people don't. Especially us in Britain.
What's new RUclips I disagree on this one. To say that Britain is going to leave "Europe" they are creating the impression that Britain will turn its back on European countries. Even those which are not part of the EU.
By using "European Union" they acknowledge the fact that Britain is leaving an organisation, not the countries within it.
I understand that it is colloquial. I just think it is still misleading to people with little knowledge on what the European Union is.
R.I.P to all the soldiers who died for there country.
and the soldiers who died for not their country
And all good people on planet earth who died.
Their
RIP Poland and Hungary.
R.I.P. to the English language. There, they're and their are not interchangeable.
"spent 6 years trying to keep the enemy out, now we're allowing them to walk in"
jesus christ they're not Nazis in 2016
1:55 Damn Polish immigrants, coming here, killing our enemies!
Yeah thats just a silly comment. They fought in the UK against the Germans so they could run their own country from Warsaw with an elected PM. Surely you and the 26 people that voted you up can see the stupidity in that comment now they have a moment to think about that
sammni That's more than most occupied European nations did. Also, what did they got in return? Not even invited to the Victory Parade. Could make a long list of complaints but that wasn't my point.
They were polands enemy's too they came to us because we armed them and housed them it wasn't charity
I think everyone can agree that his Piłsudski bust was fucking awesome and I want one
and UK and USA Back stabed them.
We are out of the EU not Europe, the UK cant just walk off to a different continent
Wow.
Um, they can't walk to any continent.
He is, thats why we don't get earthquakes. Din't you know that? And he let us invent time so the meridian goes through Greenwich, which means Jesus has let us tell the Germans when it's bed time.
Isn't Gibraltar in the UK? What status does it have? 99% of them voted to stay!
The meridian has to do with degrees of longitude. Time in conjunction with the angle of the sun at its zenith is a factor of navigation. Greenwich time is also completely insignificant to anyone not living in that time zone.
No matter what I respect you, all of you for what you've done in the past and you men are hero's of the world we live in today.
heroes
pam Do you feel smart for pointing out such a basic error? He made that comment over a year ago. Are you that hard up for a win in your life?
TheLemur27 Trying to help him spell? Dumb people like to make corrections on little spelling errors and mistypes. It's even dumber to try and make a correction a year after a comment was made. "Are you stupid?" Nope. However, it's abundantly clear that you're an idiot.
David Rogers Why can't you just let me leave comments? Why are you trying to win?
David Rogers Trying to help in spell was in reference to "Crow Bar". I first commented to Pam and was not referring to her. You can't even follow a simple conversation line and you try to correct me?
Polish veteran at 1:01 :D You remember squadron 303 :)
Finally some bit of unbiased reporting from Vice.
Unbiased? Nothing's unbiased, even equal coverage of multiple perspectives isn't always accurate of the facts or reality. The trick is to choose your bias really...
Define being "right".
'It's only unbiased when I agree with it'
Alfredo Núñez Strutt there's no way you can say vice isn't mostly biased
Look at your like bar Vice News.. See how much better it is when you do unbiased journalism instead of agenda pushing? This was real JOURNALISM, well done Vice, keep it up.
Couldn't have said it better myself
Real journalism doesn't appeal to mass opinion. It tells the truth even if some people don't want to hear it.
It's not real journalism, they're was no mention of the fact almost all WW2 veterans voted out.
+CalvinSomething Not always. If one side says 1+1=2 and the other says 1+1=3, is it real journalism to simply give both sides as if they are equally supported by reality?
yes. because thats reporting the facts of what is happening, it's not their job to draw the conclusions from it.
Ask a soldier a question and get an unequivocal answer:
"What do you think about this, that, or something else?"
"It's bollocks; absolute bollocks!"
I feel sorry for those people still mentally stuck in the war...
The whole fucking country is mentally stuck in the war, its the source of all the false pride people get about being British is the war and the empire.
Yes it is really sad.
My grandma was 5 years old in 1940, living in a french farm.
When she hears someone speaking german, she gets hysteric, cover her ears and tuck in a ball.
I never asked what happened, I was always too scared to. This war sure traumatized people.
MrErmmmmmm nothing wrong with being proud to be British.
@@danielmorris8461 It gets wrong when this pride overtakes logic
MrErmmmmmm what’s wrong with pride in being British?
2:25 - I can't believe that guy is over 90 o.O
man*
I don't think the word guy is in anyway tied to age.
Demew I know. Butu I did so before people said "have more respect"!
***** Same here!
The brother of my grandfather was plowing the field manually, at 90+.
Some persons are "immortal". I wish some doctors start to study those genes. :)
2:27 : " ... that's bollocks - absolute bollocks ..."
He might chose brexit but I agree when he calls out bullocks with the war part
Chris Hall Yup,,It’s bolloks,!
Centuries and centuries of war in Europe come to an end once we unify under the EU and you think that if the EU collapses the threat of European war won't come back? How naive are you? One of the main reasons (if not the main reason) for pursuing regionalism in Europe after WWII was precisely to end the conflict amongst European states. The idea was creating an economic union that would spill-over into a political and cultural union. This is one of the core aspects of the neo-functionalist theory. And it worked! You Brexit-voting fools would know this if you, once in a while, would pick up a book, instead of reading "The Sun".
Alfredo Núñez Strutt You think the EU is the reason that Europe hasn't been at war for 70 years? No, it was the millions who fought, died and suffered that ended war on the continent. Fascism and communism have left such a indelible mark on Europe that I don't think any country possibly has the spirit to go to war. Besides, who wants to be part of a super state such as the EU? I've been to many countries in Europe and lived in a few too. I love them all for their own individuality but I don't want my country to be the same as every other in Europe. European countries are so different from another that we cannot possibly all be ruled by the same unelected officials from Brussels. People in Britain don't want the same things as people in Greece or France or Spain or Poland. How about we be ruled by our own countrymen that we elect? Quite frankly, I don't want an unelected official from Germany being responsible for my life here. As with all remainers you're quick to throw out insults and paint yourself as the moral superior, and to denigrate all those voted leave as idiots. If you don't like brexit, leave the country; we'll be better off without you
Are you saying that the most successful peace project in the history of mankind is not the reason for maintaining peace in Europe? Having a European identity doesn't have to overlap with your own countries identity. That being said, it is absolute bollocks to say that we in Europe are 'so different from one another'.
nationally, most of them actually voted leave.
a small majority voted leave.
If people don't vote, their voice shouldn't count.
This is interesting. What stats are you citing?
@Sion67 I know which was such a shame. I'm a remain voter and I can only hope for a good outcome. Even if it was a factor in the business I used to work at closing (Not the only reason I must add for clarity), and me losing my job.
Neither side truly had a base that knew the real reasons behind their vote. Most of the leavers didn't know anything about how the EU actually worked and neither did the Remains. I'm still not fully sure how the bloody thing works so I'm not going to try and even remotely claim any sort of intellectual superiority that both sides feel they have over eachother.
I can still though not think of a single reason rationally after everything I've learned, why someone would have voted to leave. Especially the areas like South Wales (Which I'm from), Cornwall and the North who previously received massive amounts of aid from the EU. To me, it seems that people have been manipulated by a sense of national pride into becoming Turkeys voting for Christmas.
Sion67 Untrue. The over 75s voted to remain because they feared disunited Europe. It was the 40-75s voted out
A while ago i was talking to a Lancaster pilot from the war, he said to me " In 1940 they tried to take Europe over by force, now they are taking it with pen and paper."
Should have gotten out of the war by now! But it's like always: The Germans were welcome as long as they kept their mouthes shut and just paid for everything. As soon as they demanded some political influence people dig out the Nazi-Topic again!
Just sad how an entire country needs to get a hard on a war which ended 70 fucking years ago - still hating an "enemy" their country was actually Allied with for most of that time.
I don't have a problem with the Germans having a political influence on the world and the markets but i do when they become the leader of a superstate that control and restricts what i can and cant do. That should be for my own country to decide. Secondly, I have more of a problem with today's Germany than that of it in 1871-1945. Back then they had a backbone and were willing to fight for what they thought was right. Now they cower to anyone that calls them a racist.
"I have more of a problem with today's Germany than that of it in 1871-1945."?! Are you insane?
the EU does not restrict you - we have benefited enormously
+Paul Ammon nonsense from beginning to end. We have benefitted massively from the EU, there has even been a resurgence of the automotive industry...which will collapse if we leave - look at what the Japanese ambassador said ! 60% of components come from the EU, the same is true for our aerospace industry. There are thousands of high value jobs which are at risk.. The EU is not responsible for bombing Syria, that is an outright lie
As an American, I don't feel I have a right to inject my opinion in the political affairs of the Mother country...Unlike Pierce Morgan, who loves to stick his nose in our business, but again, being an American, I can't help but admire the "march to the beat of your own drum" attitude the pro- Brexit voters displayed!
MusketeerinFlorida your has invaded or destabilized other countries that tried to march to their own beat.
Just because you're old, doesn't automatically mean you're wise or smart. The younger generation ironically has a better understanding of the world around than the older generation.
Not to devalue their service, if I was around them I would ask them millions of questions about their time in the war. Especially that RAF and Polish pilots about their time during the battle of britain.
Spoken like a true generation snowflake advocate
+Declan Hegarty you git the snowflake on the head be careful not to hurt it's feelings
next it will start cutting it's self you should check out undoomed channel he really lays into snowflakes
The younger generation doesn't have a clue about what is happening around them. This Generation is one of the most dumb downed generations ever, brought up on video games. If something was to happen and the dynamics of the world were to change overnight you would all be dead in a week. " The younger generation ironically has a better understanding of the world around than the older generation. " ................ What study is this based on ?
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HaHa .. so true .. Infact, I look back every 5 years and think " dam, did I really think / do that " ....
The Old guy that said bollocks ,legend
3:01 "We spent six years trying to keep the enemy out, and now we've allowed them to walk in."
Couldn't have put it better myself.
germany is your enemy?
@@polarisnorth4875 Yes but now we need our freedom from EU.
@Death To The CCP Yes one size wont fit all the Euro is destroying them
@@Will-ul9oc CCP is the worst. Good he has that profile name
sad to see that those vets consider us germans still as "the enemy" ... really sad.
I have not experienced the war, i have never considered english people my enemies - and it does hurt to hear this.
I know of not a single german who would consider today - any of the ww2-allies their "enemy" - and we shure took our share of beating, had our share of losses, and our share of punishment that goes on til today.... if we wanted to be bitter, i guess we could find reasons. Just like after ww1 where the imposed contracts humiliated the german nation massively (which was a big factor for the rise of the NSDAP)
Not even my now dead grandparents ever badmouthed about the british... why is that bad if germanies economy
is acting at the locomotive for rest of europe, how in hell can that be perceived as .. uh.. hostile....
Sorry brits, i dont get it.. Sad to see you go.. even sader to see you do that for reasons such as this...
These people are a different generation, The res of Europe is threatened by the German economy. These men spent their entire lives fighting in a war against Germany, and Germany and later East Germany was still considered an enemy right up until the 70s and 80s thats hard to shake off.
Did you watch the video? WHERE did they say you are still the enemy?
Stop making stuff up.
***** you were govern yourself - all brussel directives have to go through national parliament before they come into effect.
The sentiment "brussel tells us what to do"
is to a large extend bullshit - also brussel had english politicians in it. For some reason it gets forgotten all the time that brussel is not a person, but a group of people - several of them UK politicians - co-responsible for any good or bads ... anyhow..
I am not here to discuss the brexit with you - what is done, is done.
-> back to the point
one of the veterans in this video clearly called us germans(not brussel) "the enemy".
I only talk about this attitude and hate that spilled out when they interviewed the veteran....
As understandable it is that you call your war enemy names.. during war.. and heated up by propaganda just before a war - i find it very ittitating that we are still called "the enemy" after fighting in the nato alongside you...since ages...
I served in the german navy, proud to be allied to the UK
It is time you islanders stop seeing us as the enemy. (often subcontiously, but it is there)
We are not your economic enemies either - ok, we dont build up a strong economy to outmatch the british - we do it to fucking feed our people. You would do the same if you could. You cannot - so you look for scapegoats ... the germans are welcome scapegoats for everything bad happening in england.
Germans fault that refugees come
Germans overdominance in europe makes membership intolerable
Dying of dinosaurs? germans fault no doubt.
It's more the toxic government that's the enemy, letting in foreign savages willy nilly and heavily restricting freedom of speech
no , the nazis where the enemy! not the Germans , there is a difference! us brits for the most part have absolutely no problem with Germans! after all we're pretty much the same people! well if you're white Northern European anyway! and no that's not racist! it's a matter of fact! and the British Isles aren't going anywhere , we can't sail away lol
When I see remainers complaining about how these people shouldn't be allowed to vote makes me laugh, these people fought for this country. They deserve the right to vote more than anyone.
Who said veterans shouldn't be allowed to vote ? I highly doubt that claim, feel you just made it up to further your point. Unless you have some sort of proof.
BadWolf 21 One of the main arguments remainers had when they lost was "OMFG THE OLDER GENERATIONS SCREWED US OVER, THEY SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO VOTE" look at twitter or any news site that's biased to remain. I'm sure you'll see something about not allowing the older generations to vote
***** ***** I said specifically veterans. As in who was saying that veterans should not be allowed to vote. Neither of y'all addressed this in your comments. You just stated how some young people didn't want the elderly at large to vote. Which is not specifically targeting veterant but more so just older people in general. I'm still waiting for some proof that someone out there had a vendetta against veterans and their voting rights. Veterans aren't even all elderly so why reply only talking about the elderly ?
+BadWolf 21 Vets aren't elderly? When's the last time you saw a 24 year old WW2 vet?
Also, at what point did I even specify vets? They are part of the older generations. There for, the idiots who believe older generations shouldn't be allowed to vote also include these guys.
I agree with you. We all age. Older people got the same right. I think the right to vote need to have a higher limit. 25 years old you get the right. Most young people didn't even vote. They screwed themself over. Some day we going to be old. Do we want our right's taken away from us?
That one absolute legend who has a bust of Jozef Pilsudski in his home
1:54 And a Virtuti Militari
the one veteran who said that the EU is one bunch of unelected persons who want to do things the people don't want, which showcases that he has 0% knowledge about the EU, because the UK had 99 seats in the EU, the same as france and germany, despite the fact that you get more seats if you have a high population, so germany as the most populat6ed country should have more but hasn't (so germany doesn't controll all other states as it is often said) and all of this 99 seats are filled with voted politicans, thats why there are EU elections, for the EU parliament, then there are two councils, one is filled with the head of every state, (so vote for the right partie in the UK and then the right guy gets in the council) and the other is filled with all ministers of the states (so again vote the right partie in the UK and the right guys get in the council) and both council hagve a 100% rule, so everything they want to do has to be approved by everyone in the council, so if there would be things the UK wouldn't want, their prime mnister can just say nope, and then it is nope, in the parliament the UK can get overvoted, but every partie can be overvoted if others combine their votes.
so shut up about being controlled against your will you had complete responsibility over the things that happen in the EU
@bob jones so it cannot be a dictatorship as leavers claim if we won some of them surely
Dumbest mistake, I feel sad for the veterans who fought to unify europe.
they weren't unifying
that is in fact the opposite of what they fought for. They fought against the regime that was unifying europe under the jackboot of national socialism, otherwise known as the nazis.
No. They fought against Nazi Germany, which was going to unify Europe, and they were ready to fight against USSR, who wanted to do the same thing.
So the wermacht ?
They fought to liberate, liberate a Europe Hitler had unified. The unified Europe was in many ways good and more than many ways bad.
The guy at 2:59 should reconsider his stance on Germany since they are really not "the enemy" anymore. I know he fought in a war and all but that was 70 years ago, a lot has changed.
Has it?
Yes, germany isn't a slum state anymore.
+Lex Luthor yes USA is the enemy now
when was germany ever a slum state ? lul
PimpMaster Brobrobings After japan took their shit.
I cant be the only one whos absolutely shocked how active and healthy this guy is 02:13 ... I would have never thought he has in WW2
I was blessed to have a great uncle who was a WWII veteran. I got to hear many stories he told that gave me a better understanding of life, and the love a person should have for their country. I would urge the younger generations to sit down with these gentlemen, and talk to them for a good while. They are all passing away, and the opportunity will be lost soon. You will be amazed at how interesting the conversation will be. You will feel as though you have been talking with them for only a few minutes, and realize that 3 hours has passes. It's a blessing that I don't want anybody to miss honestly.
+A piece of fucking sliced white bread! After a completely non abrasive, and encouraging statement, you show up like a black cloud of self pity and misery, and start complaining. I could see improvement in government, but you are blaming the wrong generation. I have also been able to lead a successful life in this day and age when I came from poverty. Get your ass to work, and bust your ass for the life you want, or quit complaining.
The dumb thing is that Britain will most likely have to make a Norway like deal. Where they are subject to all EU laws, immigration policies, and continue providing the funds without a vote in the EU parliament. They already had a preferential deal, but now they will have no say in new laws.
You lot are like those Japanese soldiers found decades after WW II in the Borneo jungle, still fighting for the Emperor The FTSE is the highest it's been since February. PwC says 20 banks want to invest £500 million in Britain and Seimans says it's staying, the House Speaker in the US says Britain will be at the front of any trade deal. It's time to clear your weapons and lay them down.
No one ever said we wouldn't have trade deals, of course they would, they just won't be to our advantage anymore.
The House Speaker comment is essentially meaningless, not much better than just saying 'some guy said'. Its completely contrary to what the President says for starters.
As for the banks, well they'll still want to be in the single market, so Frank's comment still stands.
Obama has backed off from his back of the queue remark. A remark that was telling as to it's origins, Yanks never say queue they say line.The EU is fading Italy has banks on the verge of bankruptcy. Spain has mass youth unemployment, I've no need to mention Greece. Tony Benn always said if you can't get rid of those who rule you havn't got democracy.
Hong Kong isn' t in the EU, we aren't lacking banks investing in us. Singapore is another country that has plenty of banks investing in and it's not in EU either. As an investment banker here in Hong Kong. We invest wherever there are friendly banking rules and regs for us. Now it's up to the UK to freely attract investors from around the world. The UK can pass friendly banking laws and regs like Singapore or Hong Kong if it chooses, without being dictated by EU. Only liberals love the EU. If you believe in real freedom and free enterprise, EU isn't a union you should join. Just from my perspectives having to deal with the EU banking rules...
Someone from China lecturing about freedom and free enterprise?
Wow. Blown away by the balanced view on this. Good job, Vice.
We fought that war for the same reason we fight any war. To protect the assets of the ruling class.
Actually Britain declared war when Germany invaded Poland. Which I doubt the ruling class had much investment in. Yeah, history is a little more complex than a Marxist rant. But without that sort of non sense it would have certainly been a different event
Seeing Marxists attempt to rewrite history is very disheartening. Next thing we know, we'll have a full-on ministry of information erasing entire events from happening.
@@ace7669 everyone does it not just Marxists. If we took away religion and money people would make widgets real so they could kill each other over them
when Germany invaded Poland from the west and Russia invaded Poland from the east, why didn't England and France also declare war on Russia?
@@valeriereynolds2190 Because the Generals could see the advantage of a clash between Russia and Germany, splitting the german armies.
My grandad will be 93 in October he flew as a radio operator in a Lancaster bomber during the Second World War. He did not ‘fight for peace in Europe’ as Mr Cameron said. He fought for his family, his king and his country.
Thank you too All the World War II veterans, I hope we dont do you wrong .
The only true heroes left
And we owe them everything.
Exactly. My uncle fought in The Battle of the Bulge, and, being a butcher by training, killed a cow so his men could eat.
xRsAtx i see you everywhere haha.
1:50 You do mean the Poles who were deserted at the end of WWII by the British government?
Lest me forget all the brave soldiers who bravely served for their country ❤️
It so sad, i next 10-20 years we will never see any ww2 vets again
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While it is sad that they will be gone, perhaps it's a good thing that there aren't veterans from a comparable war to replace them.
+Bacchus Leto why is that good
Eloy Cruz
Because it means that there hasn't been another major war (at least in Britain).
Thanks for the reminder 😢😢😢😢😢
its over vice. #brexit won . GET over it.
you are in a stage of denial
Did you watch the video?
Just because they won doesn't mean everyone has to shut up, get over yourself
It's a good piece though. You gotta admit that
Téssio Fechine yeah, a bunch of old guys saying why they should stay in cuz of ww2 and leave, cuz of the same fucking reason.
that Vice is hell bent to fuck up democracy
Just because you got Brexit, doesn't mean you've won. There will still be lots of immigrants coming to the UK and there will still need to be free movement. And if it wasn't immigration that led you to vote leave then look at the thousands of banking sector jobs which are getting moved to Europe. We've gained nothing from this and lost lots.
That guy in the brown jumper makes more sense than any politician I have ever listened to.
no spin, no bias? this is very strange. not used to this.
Notice how this comes out after a leave Victory, Vice just panders to the status quo and still is a shit Journalist source
Rhosigmatau
You really think it's not biased?, why do you think they had to find an equal number of people of veterans who are misguided into thinking that it's best to remain to contrast with the veterans shown who herald Leave. The majority of veterans will support leaving the Bureaucratic nightmare empire of the EU. If you had 20 random veterans to compare/sample at least 16 would be in favour of leaving. Intentionally finding and selecting the same amount of remainers as those agreed leave makes it look like WWII veterans are Split | Down the middle, 50/50, I can guarantee you this is not the case.
No bias/spin? What are you talking about :D This short video portrays the leave vote as senile dumb old men ruining/making life harder for the generations to come.
No amount of feelings of pseudo freedom will change the fact that the UK is shooting itself in the foot whith an ak47 chambering explosive rounds.
But I, as a european, look forward for the migrating buisiness/skilled labour and possibilities of taking advantage of yet another unprotected small country without leverage and protections of products granted by the union.
The EU is looking like the new Yugoslavia. I just hope it disintegrates peacefully and then rebuild something more democratic.
Declan Hegarty I still think Europe needs a US of E. I just don't think the UK can be part of it. It probably should consist of central Europe. The reason for this is to defend off against corporations.
Problem with the EU is it takes itself too literally. The USA doesn't mourn that Canada and Mexico aren't part of that.
Declan Hegarty I don't think Europeans are against it, just against an overbearing and incomepetent EU which we have now. Most Germans refer to themselves as "European". Further, I think there needs to be some sort of standardization in welfare and employment rights. Also, harmonization of taxation and wealth redistribution. The euro would have been fine with federalism and wealth redistribution. Basically they need economic federalism that has safeguards to avoid revolving door as in the USA and greater autonomy to states on social issues such as immigration etc.
Declan Hegarty I am not advocating the US system or this system. It needs to be something else.
First we will watch the UK break apart and then England collapse
Walter Rudich That's your wet dreamisnt it? Well sorry to disappoint but once Scotland ruins itself by leaving UK join the Euro and allows mass migration into its border and we let Northern Ireland re join Ireland and ruin their economy it will just be Wales and England taking trade deals left right and centre. We will be stronger. EU will be as weak as it has been simply because the EU is a creaking beuraucracy that cant even deal with Greek debt crisis.
We don't need the EU to be united.
noname_notapplicable I don't think it's too late, the politicians are starting to wake up. We will still have problems for the next 100-200 years or so, but I don't think we're completely fucked.
you mean Putin doesn't want Europe united
a weak divided europe serves the interests of U.S. & Russia. Meanwhile united China rises up to become the next great player. Europe united has a bigger economy than US. It could throw off the shackles of NATO and have a standing armmy made up proportionally from member states. Problems with EU structure are not reason to leave but reason to reform, improve, democratise further.
History has proven you incorrect.
We don't need EU to be united but it helps a lot.
Those soldiers fought and died for their country, not to "unite Europe".
What's this?!? Unbiased news??
You got yourself a new subscriber
finally not playing god. Bravo Vice for coming down to humanity.
We should definately leave The Euro - vision song contest.
Brilliant! Ian.🍻🤩😎
Good call...yes did anyone actually take a second look when suddenly israel is part of the song contest THAT SPOKE VOLUMES of who and what is behind globalism and world misery.
Our glorious elderly, who fought so hard for this country. But much of our youth shuns them. These veterans deserve respect, and their opinions are one thousand times more wise than ours can ever be, and one thousand times again. These men have planted a tree knowing they will not live to lie under its shade, and take its fruit. Let us take the fruits of this tree knowing in our hearts the blood and sweat that gave it life.
blah bklah! and now they have screwed over future generations with Brexit!
The enemies where the nazi not germany
where is naziland there? Who brought them on german land? Aliens?
No difference between the two. The Germans were Nazis. Non-membership of the Nazi Party certainly didn't mean that you didn't have to join the army, or that they only issued you with blank ammunition.
Canadian here! The Nazis and Germans are one and the same. When ww2 ended how many Nazis went home saying "never again"! The EU essentially lead by Germany simply tried another way.
I would suggest that the UK turn to the Commonwealth and support those who died to keep you from being Germans!!
@@carriad11 shut up your country is a joke
@@LNM101 almost funny! Even the Nazis learned that in war Canadian soldier are no joke! They were mortified at the prospects of Canadian warfare; we were never much for those who surrender!
Good on them
Those veterans see our country and they say:
What ever happened?
0:36 Britain and the Allies fought in the Second World War to do the exact opposite of unification, mate.
They liberated the countries of Western Europe so that they weren't controlled by a tyrannical force who had ultimate say over their lives. The EU has become that minus the Blitzkrieg.
And after the War Churchill gave multiple speeches on how Europe - including Britain - needs to grow together in order to prevent another war in the future. The Allies fought so no country and no people would rule over Europe alone. Using this as an argument against peaceful unification in a democratic country is just poor!
Wernher von Kerman Grow together doesn't mean starting a European government who aren't concerned with the vast differences between the people of Europe. Would you not say there's a massive difference between Mediterranean people and Scandanavians?
Also, Churchill wanted countries to govern themselves freely, the EU has ultimate say over the laws and many other aspects of member nations. That's whether the member nation wants it or not, so how is it not comparable?
He still called it "United States of Europe" though, so go figure...
I regard the EU in a state of dire need for Reformation too, but that's not a reason to simply dump the entire concept and go back to 28 bickering dwarf states, effectively eradicating all our influence left in the world. How do you think Trump's "trade agreement negotiations" would turn out if he didn't face a Union of almost half a Billion people but 60 Million Brits standing on their own? Or 60 Million French? or 80 Million Germans? Dropping the EU would mean to end up under foreign hegemony - without anyone having a say on it. The US (or Russia, or China) would simply dictate their conditions.
Your second statement is just plain false - and you prove to be very misinformed. All you can accuse Merkel of is:
1) Helping Fascist Orban deal with a problem he was unwilling (not unable) to solve on his own. I know Orban put it like Merkel begged for Refugees in order to stand there like the strong, manly Führer he and his Fascist Disciples love - yet reality looked different. Hungary failed to provide for the easiest things, let alone register Refugees and provided shelter for them. Merkel interfered by offering to take those stranded in Hungary - and only those. Orban then simply forwarded every Refugee in Hungary as well as everyone waiting outside its borders to the Austrian border - he even established a Bus Service for that sole purpose just to put the blame on Merkel later. It's Orban who should in fact be citizised - as well as the UN for shutting down the Refugee camps around Syria. But as most Rightist love Orban and his way of Transforming Hungary into a Totalitarian Führerstate Merkel receives all the blame instead - greatly helping German Neofascist AfD gain in popularity. This way European Nationalists are paving the way for a second Nazi takeover in Germany. When they sweep across Europe for the next time - remember who actually put them into Power!
2) what was the Alternative anyway? Leaving those people to die? For what? Because they are Muslims? because they fled their country? You would be no better than the Nazis if you really think so!
Wernher von Kerman He didn't say UK, he meant mainland Europe!!!
it actually makes me want to revisit vice channel again after seeing this clip . good job
Touching
so the 2 remain voters you picked consisted of 1 Scot and 1 foreign chap
So? it says ww2 veterans. doesn't state nationality. Both of them defended England anyways so what is your problem??. fucking hell the racism of modern trolls is insane.
Europe doesn't need the EU to be united.
We need Scotland, and they seem to be wiser to the fact that leaving is going to damage our country significantly.
Western Society will be tested more and more over these next decades.
This is true, and the EU was a bad idea anyway lol.
No, but USA needs.
It's way easier for USA to control Europe via EU when EU is alive.
Video Post Yeah you really don't know what you are talking about.
My god that last soldier. I could still see the fire in his eyes.
Some men even war cannot break.
In 1975 when the soldiers of two Wars were voting en masse, they voted 2:1 in favour of staying in. (I was a campaigner at the time).
It's my main man, Jozel Pilsudski @ 2:07 and 3:09! VICE, you've improved!
Favourite part "Bollox, absolute bollox..."
Great piece vice. More of this
As an outsider looking in, and to the people of England, I dismay when I see what the once-majestic London has become under the Killer Khan. But Brexit is your chance to put the word GREAT in front of Britain once again, and send a message to others that you're powerful enough to stand tall against the EU rhetoric.
On topic: the veterans in this video are a stark reminder that I take my freedoms and liberties for granted way too much. Thank you for never giving up, always showing heart and believing in a better tomorrow.
Leave Europe? They left the EUROPEAN UNION, not EUROPE, which is impossible.
"Uh oh, trouble on the continent! Run away! Run away!"
If that had also been their reaction to WWII, Europe would have looked a hell of a lot different today. It's exactly because they didn't react like that they're remembered as heroes.
The amusing/depressing (depending on your stance on Brexit) thing about is that they're going to have to follow all the same rules anyway if they want in on the trade deals of EU. Now they just won't have a say at all.
Vice the last poster you showed was used in World War I not II
Thank you so much vice, i am British and I needed this.
i hope when i am in my 90s, i am as fit and sharp as some of these old warriors.
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.
Lest we forget.
"In Europe, there is always uncertainty"
These men deserve state funerals to represent the millions of soldiers who sacrificed their lives for our freedom. No matter their beliefs today, their courage gave us the opportunity to have these kinds of debates and have these thoughts. Forever immortal, never forgotten.
Holy shit, a fair and balanced piece from Vice. I never thought I'd live to see the day.
Here's what Britain's World War II leader said about Brexit:
"There is a remedy which ... would in a few years make all of Europe ... free and ... happy. It is to re-create the European family ... We must build a kind of United States of Europe." - Winston Churchill, Zurich, 1946.
@Liverpool 11 I doubt that Churchill was oblivious to the fact that Britain would have to share power with France, Germany and the other European nations in a United States of Europe. And you had a pretty sweet deal before Brexit. You weren't in the Schengen Area (so the EU-immigration argument doesn't really hold. Plus GB has tons of immigrants from the Commonwealth and noone seems to care about that). You also don't have the Euro currency. How much more sovereignty do you want? You can't go cherry-picking forever. Eastern European tradespeople also displace French and German workers, but our economies would long be in stagnation if it wasn't for immigrants who provide cheap labour. And I'd say your criticism is at a pretty high level, since Americans are among the wealthiest people in the world and live in the world's sole superpower. United we stand, divided we fall.
@Liverpool 11
How are the Tories to blame for Asians?
Keep on the good work Vice!
I guess the increased risk of war in Europe wasn't "utter bollocks".
2:13 I wanna be like this man when I'm in my 90s. Old but still full of spirit. I just love the way he says "Bollocks"
'Insatiable appetite for wartime history'? Is that any way to talk about remembrance?
Racist!
+Lebanese Armenian why?
She should have said unhealthy obsession with the past because they have no future.
+Jason Kay Ignore the troll.
Jason Kay I have seen this dude all over youtube, he's a racist.
If any veteran, ( not just from the video, but every veteran) sees this: thank you for your service.
_'Ouch'_ that stung!
1:51 I love his explanation so much, so simple, yet makes 100% sense
It makes sense in the fact it is internally consistent. But it shouldn't be convincing to anyone with a brain.
Really? Brexit negotiations are taking place?
ha!
its looking more and more like a facade. Brittain is only going to leave in name, all the rules etc will still apply.
I'm personally not happy with it, I hoped the EU would be brutal on Brittain so that pro-european sentiment would grow stronger in the remaining countries.
At least with Brittain gone we can now work on the EU army (PESCO), all in all I think it's great for the EU. Brittain is probably not going to be hit really hard, it will just be a slight set-back to them.
Rad Derry Great Britain will be fine, I'm worried about Europe it's looking like another war! think they were trying to make USA the next battlefield, have Muslim Brotherhood run things for the new dark age . But they failed to make us all a bunch of pushovers as well as underestimating our willingness to survive. Good luck, peace
I dont know the future but I dont think there will be a major war in central europe the next years. I think remaining reuropean countries might actually get closer together after Brexit next year. And I hope the EU is not going to let them back out of Brexit without tramendous penalties.
Respect for the men my grandfather and uncles who fought a nasty war for my freedom THEY ARE TRULY BRAVE MEN AND DESERVE OUR RESPECT AND THANKS
Absolute heroes every one of them. Thank you for your service.
It breaks my heart thinking of what these men went through, but fighting to stop the spread of Nazism across Europe and WW2, generally speaking, wasn't done to unite Europe, it happened to be a useful by product of everyone's self interest during the war. I don't think it was right for politicians to use WW2 on either side of the debate, there are too many differences between the issues of then and now.
Shoulda STAYED MY FRIENDS GG
This was the most impartial news video I've seen in a long time....
What tears my heart apart in this video is that some of the veterans who voted to live spoke while wearing foreign countries hightest decorations or having chosen to put in the background a picture of the prior french president showing his respects. I don't understand. :(
CC, what tears my heart apart in this video is that some of the veterans who voted to remain, give truth to the old adage: there is NO FOOL like an OLD FOOL. After all they have been through, apparently, they have NOT LEARNED life lesson No-1: there will ALWAYS be those who want to CONTROL you; the Axis tried it during THOSE DAYS of WWII and now the EU Powers are giving it another go. Remarkable ... in the worst of ways.
With attitudes like your's, it's small wonder that the EU Fascists and the death cult mohammedans are conquering your nation and culture. Well, I guess, for you, it was good while it lasted, yeah? I hope you like your new masters.
@@johnk2452
Exactly what a facist would have said : insults, close minded, the same propaganda again and again and again with empty ununderstood words or statements rather than reflexion, agressivity about a far from agressive comment, etc etc. I guess, for you, it will be a sweet dream of sovereignty when your social, political and economical independance will be hunted and taken down at least by the US. Sad for the UK it will become a slave state of its own former colony. The UK won't have anything to defend itself : no political credibility left, economic policies who shout "we're the prey and we will protitute our workers for nothing just to continue to exist", viewed as an unrelialable country governed by loonies etc etc etc. The UK won't have a single leverage to play on the world stage. It is only common sense.
Dreams are great for the most part, but when they don't take reality into account they always turn into a disaster and a nightmare. The world is changing, in good or/and bad. But what is for sure is that if a person or a country refuses those changes fanatically and blindly because of fear or nostalgia from a more than outdated era, they will be left behind and will face the bad consequences of their lack of adaptation. It is way better to update and to keep some influence to preserve the ability to have weight on those changes.
Lmao 'BOLLOCKS, ABSOLUTE BOLLOCKS' What a hero.
Bryan Neely is the best looking 90 year old man I've ever seen
Well done on this video, Vice!
An insightful, non biased piece of journalism. :)
It's sad that not even the oldest and wisest can agree on what to do next.