@@sitonmuhdeckasshole no need to change your mind, you have your opinion, but I’ll take the all nba guy, love Derrick white but his ceiling isn’t as high as JB, he’s in a perfect role currently so he’s flourishing
I thought it was crazy the Bucks and Suns didn't go after him, massive mistake. They'd probably be title favorites if they did. It was weird he wasn't recognized as the best coach available by far. Celtics should have too frankly.
I think that a lot of people simply haven’t watched any Celtics games because White has been the best player on the team on multiple and consecutive games (and yes, WAY better than Tatum and Brown). Maybe some people are on their feelings because a role player has been better than some teams star players.
who do you sit out of the all star game? lillard, maxey, brunson, trae or haliburton? white’s been great but he’s not more deserving than any of these five guys, unfortunately
You’re right and it’s for two things: 1: the Jays are viewed as the “big two” of the team, who’ve been here the longest and done the most over this new era. 2: Derrick isn’t as flashy of a player, and you need flashy to draw the eyes. Whether that be logo 3s, dominance in the paint, or slick handles. Derrick is balling without being flashy, so people outside the Boston fan base underestimate him.
@@vukaleksic3550over trae easily if the hawks are still under 50% by late january and if Boston and Derrick keep this form up. That's just how it goes with team success
Tim is absolutely right. Look at the shots that guys are making, completely contested many times. Defensive philosophy might have change, but guys are just so good at shooting now.
@@Marlowe10100 I think the NBA offense has gotten so much better but I also think the league discourages players from playing defense. Defenders are heavily penalised for being physical or even making slight contact. Refs favor offensive players
@@Marlowe10100you have to watch the games unless you are just bias to the 90s and before. All the big could stay where they were comfortable. Dam near all those "enforcers" back then wouldn't be in the league today. You have to be able to shoot to get alot of minutes today. All those dam bigs besides a few wouldn't be on this defensive level if they played today. The players are by far more skilled especially shooting. Reggie Miller was the second best guard for a few years. He wouldn't even be a top 10 guard today.
@@phillydrilzpresumably he means "talk about X's and O's and what actually happens on the court" as opposed to the constant "narrative and agenda pushing" that happens on TV. I enjoy both but major media outlets have been terrible at balancing the two sides of discussion.
As for Embiid, look, I despise the guy, think he's soft AF come playoff time... and the dude is COMPLETELY worthy of MVP right now (and his team is doing great). More deserving than he was last season. He's playing at an ultra-elite level and the best he's ever played. That's just the truth. It is what it is.
In 2013 I did my dissertation on the introduction of the zone defense to the nba and whether it has negated the need for a dominant low post scorer in order to win. Some added findings were fascinating; - theres a correlation to the zone introduction and teams adding more "shot creators". - early offense has become far more potent because anyone who is catching the D Board is pushing it, often because the added 3pt attempts means longer rebounds and so bigs push the ball to guards up the floor, meaning early-offense has more wings/guards making choices to score: higher efficiency - the pinch/high post is far more potent on catches than the low block under these rules. Its better spacing and teams get the ball reversal and swing swing far easier. - low post scoring was just as important as ever, but it came/comes on drives and less from "dominant big post players". I.e low post scoring is just as needed, but stretch bigs, earlier offense and higher P&R action mean the points are spread between the five "positions". Long story short I determined that essentially the NBA is you win because you executed what you were good at better than the oppoenent executed what they were good at (no matter the play style), and defense is pivitol in key spells throughout a game. LOVE the pod and their discussions ❤🏀
I assume by “introduction of the zone”, you mean the “zone rule” changes where everybody used to have to guard somebody and you couldn’t double off the ball… Because most defenses are still variations of man defense, right?
@djdoc06 yeah, essentially post 2002 when matchup zones were permitted. Full "zones" are tough to implement because the defensive 3 seconds is still so strongly imposed, but teams run more zone now than ever, even if only for stretches of 4 or 5 possessions at a time. Still fascinating all around 😊
He's rlly good but the question will always be, who doesnt make it then? Dame, Haliburton, Donovan Mitchell, Jalen Brunson, Tyrese maxey? All those guys are the 1st or 2nd best player on their team. So tell me who doesnt make it?
Having role players who average less than 20 ppg and/or 10 rpg or apg defeats the purpose of having an All-Star game - may as well change the name to the All Role Player game if we start doing that.
@@andy0519 I'm not making a case. He was literally named a top 15 head coach of all time. He's also done a lot more than just win a championship. I guess he just rode the Celtics core that was perpetually injured come playoff time to top 10 all time in wins as a coach, huh?
Embiid doesn't need to win a chip this year but he needs at least a couple of signature playoff performances. He hasn't even had a single truly great playoff series.
You guys made great points Joel is great and yeah he has been injured a lot in the playoffs but when he does play he’ll sometimes look for those calls that are only called in the regular season he’s done that so much it’s just part of his play style once he stops that there’s nothing stopping him
He did it in a recent loss. Could have gone up to score winning basket from 2-3 ft with little time left, decided to flop instead. The ref didn't call it, game over. It's engrained in him to flop....
I think this is maybe what a lot of people who aren't Philly fans don't understand. I'm not denying he's a great player, but he's SO frustrating to watch. I liken it to prime James Harden, some of the best offensive seasons of all time, but boy does it suck to watch someone shoot, flop, shoot free throws over and over and over. Now Embiid also is a great defender, but he's also 7 feet and like 280, you do not need to hit the floor 15 times a game!! And it shows in the playoffs, where the calls get tighter, and he becomes far less effective.
Big fan of the show mate. From another basketball nut, i really enjoy when you guys analysis and break down each team and great players. I also love, when you, Legs and RJ get together, great chemistry with each other. How about, mid season breakdown with You, Legs and RJ. Big fan from Oz 🇦🇺. Love ya work mate, keep it up
as an embiid hater I have to admit he is the best player so far this season. having a great coach and a more cohesive team helped him become even better. he deserves the mvp if the season ended today. playoffs are a different story though. i think they will do better in the playoffs because of nick nurse, we'll have to wait and see. the guy averages 30+pts in the regular season and 23pts in the playoffs and shoots 20% from 3 in the playoffs. he cant flop in the playoffs because refs dont call it doesnt help either. and derick white has been the best player on the celtics for several games. he's a "role" player who outshines their stars in a lot of games.
Embiid has missed 5 games up to this point. Every single one of them coincidently was a road game against an above .500 opponent. i hope this is just a coincidence and not a pattern.
At some point, he was avoiding playing versus Jokic. There was another strange incident involving a fake injury as well, but I can't recall the details.
Tim Legler giving lessons to JJ about what being an all star means: I love it. White is the 4th option on the team: opponents are not gameplanning against him.
Jj is right it’s tougher to be an all star now more than ever it would be nice to see some of these players showcase their talents on their own team or different situation. My opinion I think it’s time to expand the league again and it’s long overdue
There are rules put in place to prevent load-management. And even with the load-management used today, several players are having huge problems staying healthy. There's an IST-tournament and a play-in tournament now. The 82-game season is too long. We should compact the league, not expand. Maybe that would also lift the defense up from the gutter it's in right now. Flashier game isn't as much needed. The league's popularity is really good already.
One of JJ's best attributes as a podcast host and a commentator of the game is that he experienced, first hand, the brilliance and significance of some of the best players in the league and league's history. Understanding and experiencing the positives that come with playing alongside superstars like Embiid gives casuals like us a true understanding of their singularity.
How True. I worry less about Defense this year. Knicks were # 1 Defense on Dec 5th when they played the Bucks. They gave up 146. Then the Rockets were #2 on Dec 18 and the Bucks, ( having a bad day) hung 128.
The one thing I will say about Derrick White and counting stats regarding ASG selections, White is putting up 16.5 ppg in 2023, in 2005 terms that 16.5 ppg is more like 11ppg back then (considering the amount that are averaging 25+ and "point inflation" in our current era).
He's like the NBA hipster choice for all star. Like being early on Jokic. Before the MVP's. It's probably not going to happen this year. But if he is great in the playoffs again (and Celtics win) it might happen next year. Similar to Murray in Denver.
Derrick White is one of the best guards in basketball. People that don’t agree have never seen him play. He’s always doing the right thing. His basketball IQ on and off ball is through the roof.
He’s definitely top 10 in the league at guard, you guys love putting guys that get cooked over real game changing guards, d white is a top 3 guard defensively just as good as smart and holiday but with better length and is the best shot blocking guard in the League, he also had no offensive weakness to his game can score on all 3 levels with elite decision making ability which is his best skill
Steph, Luka, Harden, Shai, Anthony Edwards, D Fox, T Young, J Murray, Haliburton, Maxey, Lillard, Brunson, Irving, Booker These guards are EASILY ahead of White... This doesn't even count players like Dejounte Murray, Fred Van Fleet, Lavine, CJ McCollum, Afernee Simmons and even teammate Jrue Holiday - All who are arguably better than White.... Derrick White is great, but this league is loaded with great guards
Tim said it best. That idea of needing to be a lock down team on defense is out the window. Scoring is much easier in today’s game. We are now use to seeing scores in high 130s and 140s likes it’s a normal thing now. In the playoffs, it comes down to being able to make the shots when they count now.
21:45 in non media term, Embiid can move you and commit offensive fouls but the second you breathe in him it's freethrows. Give Embiid the same calls as Embiid and he's not averaging 30
Giannis had the most legendary championship run in my mind because he damn near had his leg broken off with that hyperextended knee and made a miraculous recovery to come back in the finals 🦵💪 Legler forgot about that, Giannis did not have an injury free run, yet still came back and dropped a 50 piece in the championship game.
Jj you're the best broadcaster out there but please give my Wolves some love!I feel you barely talked about the best in the West since the beggining of the season!
Pre-analytic shot selection was like picking batting lineups without access to batting averages or other stats: “oh he looks big and strong, let HIM bat cleanup. Plus the fact that the players and coaches had such a flawed perception of the value of the 3 point shot, means that they undervalued the shot, and never exploited the way it creates spacing. And modern spacing with the 3 turns any ball handler into Magic Johnson, because you’re always surrounded by multiple targets that can put the ball in at a .500 or better efg.
I totally agree with Tim Leger when he said “you don’t need to be a great defensive team to win nba championship, you only need a great offensse and adequate defense “ Clippers are the perfect team he’s describing. Clippers can dial up defensively when they need to and shut your water down in crucial moments of the game with Kawhi and Paul George. If Clippers figure out offensively, they’ll be scary
No the issue with the clippers is their damn injury luck and the mental block during the bubble. The clippers go as far as a healthy group of players. Unfortunately Leonard can never seem to stay healthy when it matters the most.
@@DrW2023 The health question applies to almost every player . Embiid has had previous injury issues Same with AD Same with KD Same with Jamal Murray Same with Devin Booker Same with Bradley Beal. I don’t like when people single out the Clippers. We can’t definitively say Kawhi is gonna be injured unless you’re praying for him to get injured.
I would like to give Brad Stevens a plug: his deft handling of personnel has been crafty ... Signing Jaylen Brown to that massive extension created no rancor amongst the players; having a pro's pro like Al Holford ( think about this: the last player in the NBA from the last back-to-back NCAA champs!) come off the bench and sacrifice for the good of the team; playing through the front office /coaching scandal - even though some escaped accountability; and last - Kristaps Porzingas letting go of the bad treatment in Dallas, balling out in Washington, and going to an environment where he can be an over-the-hump game-changer is exciting to see
Derrick White is my favorite player on the Celtics. I bleed green and the Jay's are great but I don't always love the way those two play. I've never questioned the way White plays.
Joel Embiid - until he stops ducking big games we can deny his greatness! Until he shows some heart - we can deny his greatness. Big games against Detroit and Wizards - we can deny his greatness Takes christmas off with some excuse even Philly press doesn't buy We can definitely deny his greatness.
As a heat fan I already know what to expect from JJ. If Embiid made the finals in two of the last four seasons like the Heat did you’d be fighting to have him inducted into the Hall of Fame while still active.
29:21 Jimmy Butler and Trae Young have taken their teams further in the playoffs than Embiid and nobody is going to say those two players are “greats” Embiid gotta win it all.
People outside of Utah just see the Jazz as like full rebuild mode and they were willing to trade anyone. That is almost true, except those who follow the franchise closely know that we are a little further along in our rebuild than most people perceive and that Markkanen is probably the one untouchable veteran in a trade. Also, in the 2 weeks since this video was posted (maybe 2.5-3 weeks since they filmed), Jazz have figured something out and have had one of the best records in the league during that time frame. With a pretty strong schedule too.
Celtics are going to have 3 allstars this szn minimum? They should. KP is on his 2nd year of being back at that level. I think White should get a wildcard nod. I think the same for the Wolves if they also keep up this pace
We should have a 4 team All Star Game tournament, this way we'd have like 40 spots and could even have an International Team going against 3 American Teams
Hope Kerr's comment will get through to the NBA: We are legislating defense out of the NBA and it's really NOT a good thing. Foul grifting and flopping should NOT BE REWARDED.
@@SuperThumpasaurus every one of the fouls called against Jokic in that game were legit fouls, he didn’t flop at all. There was one where Curry used his forearm to shove Jokic to create space, that’s absolutely an offensive foul but Warriors fans are crying about that too. There were a couple on TJD making obvious contact with Jokic during shot attempts, those are absolutely fouls. And so on. It’s all on video, we can all see it lol. Warriors just needed to stop fouling Jokic so much.
There have always been foul grifters. There was a rule change because of KD's foul-grifting twelve years ago. There have been players who've shot 10-12 free throws or more per game in every decade. The Warriors are small and Jokic is bigger and stronger than anyone on their roster. They have to foul to slow him. The same thing always happens with strong, dominant bigs - Shaq, Giannis, Embiid, David Robinson, Dwight Howard, Wilt Chamberlain... all shot a bunch of free throws. Steve Kerr is losing credibility with his enabling of Draymond Green and clinging to the past in his minutes allocation to underperforming veterans.
I enjoy JJ's takes and view points on the league. But how is you spend almost an hour and a half on the "First 30 games of the NBA Season" and 75% of it is about the Eastern Conference and barely a passing mention of the team that's in 1st place in the West, which is even mentioned as the stronger conference. You need to rename this video.
1:20:24 bro averaging 17 on 48% shooting averaging 1.3 stls and blks if Andrew Wiggins can be a all star when he averaged 17 as well so can White with better defensive stats
To your point about Derrick White playing his best ball. I think he’s the X factor just like Wiggins was for that warriors team who won the chip. Maybe white drops off next year but as of rn he’s playing his absolute best ball of his career even better then when he was the main option on the spurs.
Its cool and your right DW deserves Consideration But unless Bos gets 4 spots in the Allstar Game he will just not get in and its time to Accept that there are just not enough Spots but i Agree it needs to be 15 players and the All Star game needs to be the only game of the year that should have 15 min Quarters.....JT and JB Get in and IF they get a 3rd spot Its going to Porzingis just based on Depth at position in the East.....Unfortunate But It is what it Is.
We learned that Jaylen Brown was EASILY worth whatever the Celtics had to pay to keep him based on the current contract structure in the NBA . Easily. He’s so good. He dunks on everyone. He’s passing more. He’s delviped great chemistry with Derrick white AND KP. He’s so. Good. Also as far as his ppg, don’t forget how many games he either hasn’t played in the 4tg qtr, or didn’t play much in the 4th or didn’t really get many shots. He’ll have a game evety so often when he scores 20 in a half and then Tatum doesn’t really get his so he spends the second half catching up to and passing JB
People who don’t understand JB getting his money simply don’t understand modern NBA money. You give your best players good contracts. You pay your best players or someone else will. If it doesn’t work out, you can use the contract as trade fodder later. The contract won’t seem as crazy in another year or 2 when the next series of players get their money (like JT). He’s not a perfect player, but he’s improved every year since entering the NBA and is proved to be an all-star caliber player. He’s making decisions with the ball MUCH faster this year, which is helping him lower the TOV and raise his floor production
It's been so cathartic to see the contract comments disappear since the season started, the man has been on a tear for the past month with his overall play (numbers went down for basically everyone but Tatum and that's to be expected).
@@zdw1004agreed. I can’t stand it man. And why is it always some false narrative surrounding JB?? Lol. Whether it’s that he’s not clutch because he has ONE bad playoff series after HaLF A DECaDE of good to great playoff series!( he was coming off a 30 ppg on 50/50 seires Vs Atlanta and then a 25 ppg and locked harden down for 2-3 full games vs sixers) or people say he has no left hand? Or simply no handle? When it’s clear as day, if you watch him year after year game after gmae, the dude has one of the better handles I’ve seen in the entire league for someone his size, and then he also is one of the better left hand finishers on drives for a right handed player that I’ve seen. Yes I know he gets too loose with the ball at times at the left nail and such, but ugh I can’t stand factually incorrect narratives. And then it seems like he never gets to be on the benefitting end of a narrative really. The one time was when he outplayed Tatum in the finals and finally the natual audience was saying that brown was gonna be mvp if Celtics won. But then people forgot about it like it never happened! During my viewing career there have been two players, Jaylen Brown and John Wall, who never seemed to get valdisifpn relative to what others would get validation for. Even if they would finally get respect in the moment, everyone would forget they did the thing that no one could ignore at the time. Compare that to other players who seemingly would have one seires or make one shot, and then for the rest of their careers evetotne would use that one expeience to validate that player no matter what. One thing that always stood out to me about Jaylen was that as he and Tatum were ascending to becoming all nba players, they evolved at differnet speeds, and for a while Jaylen was ahead of Tatum in a lot of ways before Tatums mind caught up to his skills. And the one group of people who were always aware of this were the opposing fan bases! Who you know have no bias. Maimi would always commend on our videos “thank God Boston is so dumb that they go away from Brown every game after he catches fire” or “Brown is better every game but Tatum always freezes him out when he has it going” and things like that. I wouldn’t even say that is totally done with, but Tatum got a lot better and I think they have both beofme ok with how it works. Brown still gets hot literally almost every single game, and then gets maybe inadvertently froze out for a bit, but it works.
Just wanna say I really enjoy JJ & RJ as the commentary during games, yall should be doing The Finals IMO
Beats Mark Jackson and Doris by a mile
you know espn is gonna give the job to raspy Doc
Naw RJ doesn't do anything but mess up the flow of the discussion and joke and banter. Good for a media segment but not for a game
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Harlem, JJ, and RJ is as good as it gets. Nothing will ever be better
JJ as a celtics fan I just want to thank you for the love you give D white. When the team traded Smart I knew White was going to shine.
He’s the reason they were willing to trade smart he outplayed him on both sides of the ball last year
Derrick White's way better than Jaylen Brown, change my mind.
He ball(d)in for real
@@emdeezy7529ur not lying 👌🏽
@@sitonmuhdeckasshole no need to change your mind, you have your opinion, but I’ll take the all nba guy, love Derrick white but his ceiling isn’t as high as JB, he’s in a perfect role currently so he’s flourishing
The combination of breakdown between analytics, eye test opinions and basketball experience is just 👌🏿
As far as embiid goes not only do we need to gove props to the roster put together but nick nurse is a massive game changer. Deserves more credit.
I thought it was crazy the Bucks and Suns didn't go after him, massive mistake. They'd probably be title favorites if they did. It was weird he wasn't recognized as the best coach available by far. Celtics should have too frankly.
@sitonmuhdeckasshole bucks did but he turned the job down because one of his guys was offered it. Or at least that's what I read
I think Pat Bev deserves some 💐 too
I love when JJ Redick x Tim Legler collab.
I think that a lot of people simply haven’t watched any Celtics games because White has been the best player on the team on multiple and consecutive games (and yes, WAY better than Tatum and Brown). Maybe some people are on their feelings because a role player has been better than some teams star players.
I’d put my money on a Celtics Denver finals.
who do you sit out of the all star game? lillard, maxey, brunson, trae or haliburton? white’s been great but he’s not more deserving than any of these five guys, unfortunately
You’re right and it’s for two things: 1: the Jays are viewed as the “big two” of the team, who’ve been here the longest and done the most over this new era. 2: Derrick isn’t as flashy of a player, and you need flashy to draw the eyes. Whether that be logo 3s, dominance in the paint, or slick handles. Derrick is balling without being flashy, so people outside the Boston fan base underestimate him.
@@vukaleksic3550 Trae.
@@vukaleksic3550over trae easily if the hawks are still under 50% by late january and if Boston and Derrick keep this form up. That's just how it goes with team success
Tim is absolutely right. Look at the shots that guys are making, completely contested many times. Defensive philosophy might have change, but guys are just so good at shooting now.
I don't see that. I see people standing and shooting wide open.
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I think the NBA offense has gotten so much better but I also think the league discourages players from playing defense. Defenders are heavily penalised for being physical or even making slight contact.
Refs favor offensive players
@@Marlowe10100 that’s because the spacing has gotten so absurd with the extra shooting threat on the court and the emphasis on the 3
@@RandomNumber6598 also a lot of players are mixed now so you get athleticism and shooting ability in one player
@@Marlowe10100you have to watch the games unless you are just bias to the 90s and before. All the big could stay where they were comfortable. Dam near all those "enforcers" back then wouldn't be in the league today. You have to be able to shoot to get alot of minutes today. All those dam bigs besides a few wouldn't be on this defensive level if they played today. The players are by far more skilled especially shooting. Reggie Miller was the second best guard for a few years. He wouldn't even be a top 10 guard today.
Love these 2 together. Fascinating breakdowns of the league and have been a fan of legs analysis for years
Love how these guys include basketball in NBA conversation. Too many TV personalities can’t do this
@@phillydrilzpresumably he means "talk about X's and O's and what actually happens on the court" as opposed to the constant "narrative and agenda pushing" that happens on TV. I enjoy both but major media outlets have been terrible at balancing the two sides of discussion.
Celtics really have no excuse not to win the title this year. This team is loaded with talent heads above any other team in the league.
No excuse for the past 3 years either
They'll choke again, imho. 😅🙈
@@JuanCenar injuries? broken wrist in Finals 2022, sprained ankle in ECF G7 2023.
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JJ and Legler are the two best commentators, and the best to listen to talking hoops. Immensely enjoyable.
As a Boston fan Derrick white has became my favorite player after last year and even more so this year GET THAT MAN AN ALL STAR SPOT!
Agreed, but also 'has become'*. 😊
Players who only average 17 ppg don't deserve to make the All-Star team. White is a good role player but not a top tier player.
These two together just works
As for Embiid, look, I despise the guy, think he's soft AF come playoff time... and the dude is COMPLETELY worthy of MVP right now (and his team is doing great). More deserving than he was last season. He's playing at an ultra-elite level and the best he's ever played. That's just the truth. It is what it is.
In 2013 I did my dissertation on the introduction of the zone defense to the nba and whether it has negated the need for a dominant low post scorer in order to win. Some added findings were fascinating;
- theres a correlation to the zone introduction and teams adding more "shot creators".
- early offense has become far more potent because anyone who is catching the D Board is pushing it, often because the added 3pt attempts means longer rebounds and so bigs push the ball to guards up the floor, meaning early-offense has more wings/guards making choices to score: higher efficiency
- the pinch/high post is far more potent on catches than the low block under these rules. Its better spacing and teams get the ball reversal and swing swing far easier.
- low post scoring was just as important as ever, but it came/comes on drives and less from "dominant big post players". I.e low post scoring is just as needed, but stretch bigs, earlier offense and higher P&R action mean the points are spread between the five "positions".
Long story short I determined that essentially the NBA is you win because you executed what you were good at better than the oppoenent executed what they were good at (no matter the play style), and defense is pivitol in key spells throughout a game.
LOVE the pod and their discussions ❤🏀
I assume by “introduction of the zone”, you mean the “zone rule” changes where everybody used to have to guard somebody and you couldn’t double off the ball… Because most defenses are still variations of man defense, right?
@djdoc06 yeah, essentially post 2002 when matchup zones were permitted. Full "zones" are tough to implement because the defensive 3 seconds is still so strongly imposed, but teams run more zone now than ever, even if only for stretches of 4 or 5 possessions at a time.
Still fascinating all around 😊
Kudos to 76ers management in getting Nick Nurse, moving Harden, gave them new life to be the best version of the 76ers.
Derrick White really should be an All Star. When you watch games it's really obvious
He's rlly good but the question will always be, who doesnt make it then? Dame, Haliburton, Donovan Mitchell, Jalen Brunson, Tyrese maxey? All those guys are the 1st or 2nd best player on their team. So tell me who doesnt make it?
They could have 5 all stars on that team
Not to some of these casuals
Having role players who average less than 20 ppg and/or 10 rpg or apg defeats the purpose of having an All-Star game - may as well change the name to the All Role Player game if we start doing that.
You and legs are IT! Love your chemistry and your bball knowledge compliment each other well. Big fan
Joel Embiid finally has a coach that knows basketball, that is the main reason
I didn't know there were top 15, championship head coaches that didn't know basketball, but you learn something new every day
@@jgates9786 You really are making a case for Doc Rivers? Who has made his career solely on riding Pierce,Garnett,Allen and Rondo's backs for years?
@@jgates9786 you put my dog as head coach of that team and they win a championship
@@andy0519 I'm not making a case. He was literally named a top 15 head coach of all time. He's also done a lot more than just win a championship. I guess he just rode the Celtics core that was perpetually injured come playoff time to top 10 all time in wins as a coach, huh?
Keep standing up for rational and reasonable discourse in the NBA JJ! You've made becoming a fan of the NBA a truly exceptional experience. Thank you.
Embiid doesn't need to win a chip this year but he needs at least a couple of signature playoff performances. He hasn't even had a single truly great playoff series.
huh
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You guys made great points Joel is great and yeah he has been injured a lot in the playoffs but when he does play he’ll sometimes look for those calls that are only called in the regular season he’s done that so much it’s just part of his play style once he stops that there’s nothing stopping him
He did it in a recent loss. Could have gone up to score winning basket from 2-3 ft with little time left, decided to flop instead. The ref didn't call it, game over. It's engrained in him to flop....
I think this is maybe what a lot of people who aren't Philly fans don't understand. I'm not denying he's a great player, but he's SO frustrating to watch. I liken it to prime James Harden, some of the best offensive seasons of all time, but boy does it suck to watch someone shoot, flop, shoot free throws over and over and over. Now Embiid also is a great defender, but he's also 7 feet and like 280, you do not need to hit the floor 15 times a game!! And it shows in the playoffs, where the calls get tighter, and he becomes far less effective.
Big fan of the show mate. From another basketball nut, i really enjoy when you guys analysis and break down each team and great players. I also love, when you, Legs and RJ get together, great chemistry with each other. How about, mid season breakdown with You, Legs and RJ. Big fan from Oz 🇦🇺. Love ya work mate, keep it up
12:45 not even tryna be a biased celtics fan but jj is right. not 1 person has talked about how good dwhite was in that atlanta series
as an embiid hater I have to admit he is the best player so far this season. having a great coach and a more cohesive team helped him become even better. he deserves the mvp if the season ended today.
playoffs are a different story though.
i think they will do better in the playoffs because of nick nurse, we'll have to wait and see.
the guy averages 30+pts in the regular season and 23pts in the playoffs and shoots 20% from 3 in the playoffs.
he cant flop in the playoffs because refs dont call it doesnt help either.
and derick white has been the best player on the celtics for several games. he's a "role" player who outshines their stars in a lot of games.
He’s gonna have to get thru the Celtics in the playoffs and that’s a tall task for anybody
Yay Derrick White should be an all star!
Embiid has missed 5 games up to this point. Every single one of them coincidently was a road game against an above .500 opponent. i hope this is just a coincidence and not a pattern.
At some point, he was avoiding playing versus Jokic. There was another strange incident involving a fake injury as well, but I can't recall the details.
Tim Legler giving lessons to JJ about what being an all star means: I love it.
White is the 4th option on the team: opponents are not gameplanning against him.
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Jj is right it’s tougher to be an all star now more than ever it would be nice to see some of these players showcase their talents on their own team or different situation. My opinion I think it’s time to expand the league again and it’s long overdue
There are rules put in place to prevent load-management. And even with the load-management used today, several players are having huge problems staying healthy. There's an IST-tournament and a play-in tournament now. The 82-game season is too long. We should compact the league, not expand. Maybe that would also lift the defense up from the gutter it's in right now. Flashier game isn't as much needed. The league's popularity is really good already.
One of JJ's best attributes as a podcast host and a commentator of the game is that he experienced, first hand, the brilliance and significance of some of the best players in the league and league's history. Understanding and experiencing the positives that come with playing alongside superstars like Embiid gives casuals like us a true understanding of their singularity.
&Legler of course.
Love these two together
How True. I worry less about Defense this year. Knicks were # 1 Defense on Dec 5th when they played the Bucks. They gave up 146. Then the Rockets were #2 on Dec 18 and the Bucks, ( having a bad day) hung 128.
The one thing I will say about Derrick White and counting stats regarding ASG selections, White is putting up 16.5 ppg in 2023, in 2005 terms that 16.5 ppg is more like 11ppg back then (considering the amount that are averaging 25+ and "point inflation" in our current era).
Facts
Love that your standing up for Derrick White, he does not receive nearly enough love in the NBA world.
He's like the NBA hipster choice for all star. Like being early on Jokic. Before the MVP's.
It's probably not going to happen this year. But if he is great in the playoffs again (and Celtics win) it might happen next year. Similar to Murray in Denver.
Derrick White is one of the best guards in basketball. People that don’t agree have never seen him play. He’s always doing the right thing. His basketball IQ on and off ball is through the roof.
Most people acknowledge that, he just isn't an all star
He’s a great role player bruh. Ur right he is always making the right plays on both sides of the ball… he’s not a top 10 guard in the NBA tho bruh
He’s definitely top 10 in the league at guard, you guys love putting guys that get cooked over real game changing guards, d white is a top 3 guard defensively just as good as smart and holiday but with better length and is the best shot blocking guard in the League, he also had no offensive weakness to his game can score on all 3 levels with elite decision making ability which is his best skill
@@emdeezy7529 Top 10 what??😂😂 You can't mean top 10 guard in the whole league can't be what you're talking about
Steph, Luka, Harden, Shai, Anthony Edwards, D Fox, T Young, J Murray, Haliburton, Maxey, Lillard, Brunson, Irving, Booker
These guards are EASILY ahead of White... This doesn't even count players like Dejounte Murray, Fred Van Fleet, Lavine, CJ McCollum, Afernee Simmons and even teammate Jrue Holiday - All who are arguably better than White....
Derrick White is great, but this league is loaded with great guards
Tim said it best. That idea of needing to be a lock down team on defense is out the window. Scoring is much easier in today’s game. We are now use to seeing scores in high 130s and 140s likes it’s a normal thing now. In the playoffs, it comes down to being able to make the shots when they count now.
Best basketball podcast ever! Congrats on 1M subscribers
21:45 in non media term, Embiid can move you and commit offensive fouls but the second you breathe in him it's freethrows.
Give Embiid the same calls as Embiid and he's not averaging 30
Giannis had the most legendary championship run in my mind because he damn near had his leg broken off with that hyperextended knee and made a miraculous recovery to come back in the finals 🦵💪 Legler forgot about that, Giannis did not have an injury free run, yet still came back and dropped a 50 piece in the championship game.
Stop it lol the NBA had a ton of injuries when he won it… it’s equivalent to that bubble ring Lakers got!
Wish we get Tim weekly 😊
why does it seem like parts of the video is on repeat?
JJ and Legler talking basketball, that’s a no brainer. They make me like the current nba!
Jj you're the best broadcaster out there but please give my Wolves some love!I feel you barely talked about the best in the West since the beggining of the season!
Thank you brother, this is the best basketball talk out there
Name another bench player from last year other than Derrick White to win player of the week? He did this last year and everybody just ignored it!
Bobby Portis. He came off the bench for one game, the week he won the award.
Derrick White started every game, the week he won the award.
Player of the week!?!? No way
Pre-analytic shot selection was like picking batting lineups without access to batting averages or other stats: “oh he looks big and strong, let HIM bat cleanup.
Plus the fact that the players and coaches had such a flawed perception of the value of the 3 point shot, means that they undervalued the shot, and never exploited the way it creates spacing.
And modern spacing with the 3 turns any ball handler into Magic Johnson, because you’re always surrounded by multiple targets that can put the ball in at a .500 or better efg.
love the legler episodes 🔥
Love these episodes
JJ & Legz - best duo in basketball
Need more nuggets talk from JJ / Legs / OM3
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I liked your comment too Bud. Stay up 💪
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JJ, how about Jrew case? Guarding the best opposite team’s player including Giannis and Embid?
Legs and JJ.... MUST SEE TV!!!!
JJ, You & Legler are basketball nerd heaven. Sign that man to a max deal for three four two
You don't need to explain anything to anyone dude! Your opinions are always well considered, well informed and genuine.
Best content on the channel - this & the RJ show
I totally agree with Tim Leger when he said “you don’t need to be a great defensive team to win nba championship, you only need a great offensse and adequate defense “
Clippers are the perfect team he’s describing. Clippers can dial up defensively when they need to and shut your water down in crucial moments of the game with Kawhi and Paul George.
If Clippers figure out offensively, they’ll be scary
No the issue with the clippers is their damn injury luck and the mental block during the bubble. The clippers go as far as a healthy group of players. Unfortunately Leonard can never seem to stay healthy when it matters the most.
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The health question applies to almost every player .
Embiid has had previous injury issues
Same with AD
Same with KD
Same with Jamal Murray
Same with Devin Booker
Same with Bradley Beal.
I don’t like when people single out the Clippers. We can’t definitively say Kawhi is gonna be injured unless you’re praying for him to get injured.
Congrats ESPN having JJ.
I would like to give Brad Stevens a plug: his deft handling of personnel has been crafty ... Signing Jaylen Brown to that massive extension created no rancor amongst the players; having a pro's pro like Al Holford ( think about this: the last player in the NBA from the last back-to-back NCAA champs!) come off the bench and sacrifice for the good of the team; playing through the front office /coaching scandal - even though some escaped accountability; and last - Kristaps Porzingas letting go of the bad treatment in Dallas, balling out in Washington, and going to an environment where he can be an over-the-hump game-changer is exciting to see
42:34 one of them is pj Tucker
Derrick White is my favorite player on the Celtics. I bleed green and the Jay's are great but I don't always love the way those two play. I've never questioned the way White plays.
Yep! Huge Celtics fan here and the J’s are awesome but Derrick is the constant on the court. ☘️
Would he have the same numbers if he was the 1st or 2nd option?
@@Justaguynobodyimportant probably not
Joel Embiid - until he stops ducking big games we can deny his greatness!
Until he shows some heart - we can deny his greatness.
Big games against Detroit and Wizards - we can deny his greatness
Takes christmas off with some excuse even Philly press doesn't buy
We can definitely deny his greatness.
Not an Embiid fan but he's the clear frontrunner for MVP rn, his PER as of now ranks #1 in league history.
Way to make a reasoned argument with solid evidence behind you. D White should be in the running. Way to go JJ
NBA players doing podcasts 🔥
The hawks also had 4 all stars Teague, Korver, Milsap and Horford
Gotta be the worst 4 all start team of all time lol.
No one over 18 ppg
Love this duo so much man
Kyle Korver and Jeff Teague were all stars in the same season. Derrick White as an all star is legit.
As a heat fan I already know what to expect from JJ. If Embiid made the finals in two of the last four seasons like the Heat did you’d be fighting to have him inducted into the Hall of Fame while still active.
That sign off was hilarious😭 “alright man”
Elite conversation.
Y’all desperately need your own podcast together!
To put in perspective how good Joel's scoring is this season, he has dropped 40+ more times than he has dropped 20 anything this season
Are we really gonna act like calling Joel embiid a foul merchant isn’t justified?
29:21 Jimmy Butler and Trae Young have taken their teams further in the playoffs than Embiid and nobody is going to say those two players are “greats” Embiid gotta win it all.
Yessir!
Aye JJ. Love your stuff man. Keepnup the great work. Between you and Gils Arena my nights are full listening to yall.
Gil’s podcast is fun to watch but his takes are trash 80% of the time.
People outside of Utah just see the Jazz as like full rebuild mode and they were willing to trade anyone. That is almost true, except those who follow the franchise closely know that we are a little further along in our rebuild than most people perceive and that Markkanen is probably the one untouchable veteran in a trade. Also, in the 2 weeks since this video was posted (maybe 2.5-3 weeks since they filmed), Jazz have figured something out and have had one of the best records in the league during that time frame. With a pretty strong schedule too.
Celtics are going to have 3 allstars this szn minimum? They should. KP is on his 2nd year of being back at that level. I think White should get a wildcard nod. I think the same for the Wolves if they also keep up this pace
As a Celtics fan white and jrue have made me borderline forget we lost smart Whites jump had made are team scary to terrifying
I love jj Reddick. For real. Please dont change for anyone. Or to make any troll happy.. please.
Love these episodes. Way better than dunker spot and the 24 hour views speak to it. Would love to see the full episodes before the clips!
Dunker Spot is quite decent in its own kind. It's just different, so you can prefer one over the other, but no need to throw shade at Dunker Spot. 😊
As much as I hated you at Duke. Damn I love the show. Love you just being you. Keep it up. Shout out to Tommy as well.
We should have a 4 team All Star Game tournament, this way we'd have like 40 spots and could even have an International Team going against 3 American Teams
Legs describing the minimum requirement for a team at 36:10 sounds like what GSW need
Hope Kerr's comment will get through to the NBA: We are legislating defense out of the NBA and it's really NOT a good thing.
Foul grifting and flopping should NOT BE REWARDED.
Jokic and Curry average the same number of FT attempts per game. Keep crying, Warriors fans lol
@@gnomechomsky2524 Which, once again, takes nothing away from my comment. Keep trolling, dwarf.
I hope you're not accusing Jokic of being a serial flopper.
@@SuperThumpasaurus every one of the fouls called against Jokic in that game were legit fouls, he didn’t flop at all. There was one where Curry used his forearm to shove Jokic to create space, that’s absolutely an offensive foul but Warriors fans are crying about that too. There were a couple on TJD making obvious contact with Jokic during shot attempts, those are absolutely fouls. And so on. It’s all on video, we can all see it lol. Warriors just needed to stop fouling Jokic so much.
There have always been foul grifters. There was a rule change because of KD's foul-grifting twelve years ago. There have been players who've shot 10-12 free throws or more per game in every decade.
The Warriors are small and Jokic is bigger and stronger than anyone on their roster. They have to foul to slow him. The same thing always happens with strong, dominant bigs - Shaq, Giannis, Embiid, David Robinson, Dwight Howard, Wilt Chamberlain... all shot a bunch of free throws.
Steve Kerr is losing credibility with his enabling of Draymond Green and clinging to the past in his minutes allocation to underperforming veterans.
youd hope the first seed and biggest surprise of the season timberwolves get a mention in a first 30 games of the season overview but ig not
I enjoy JJ's takes and view points on the league. But how is you spend almost an hour and a half on the "First 30 games of the NBA Season" and 75% of it is about the Eastern Conference and barely a passing mention of the team that's in 1st place in the West, which is even mentioned as the stronger conference.
You need to rename this video.
Derrick White is the new Joe Dumars? Thanks for keeping it real, JJ.
1:20:24 bro averaging 17 on 48% shooting averaging 1.3 stls and blks if Andrew Wiggins can be a all star when he averaged 17 as well so can White with better defensive stats
Smarter than Perkins!
I watch the Celtics for D White. He makes the game so much more enjoyable to watch
Legs is a great analyst
To your point about Derrick White playing his best ball. I think he’s the X factor just like Wiggins was for that warriors team who won the chip. Maybe white drops off next year but as of rn he’s playing his absolute best ball of his career even better then when he was the main option on the spurs.
Feels like so much has happened since this was recorded on the 19th
Been waiting on this jj
Its cool and your right DW deserves Consideration But unless Bos gets 4 spots in the Allstar Game he will just not get in and its time to Accept that there are just not enough Spots but i Agree it needs to be 15 players and the All Star game needs to be the only game of the year that should have 15 min Quarters.....JT and JB Get in and IF they get a 3rd spot Its going to Porzingis just based on Depth at position in the East.....Unfortunate But It is what it Is.
Everytime my team plays Boston I get pissed off when D White touches the ball because I know he's gonna do something good
We learned that Jaylen Brown was EASILY worth whatever the Celtics had to pay to keep him based on the current contract structure in the NBA . Easily. He’s so good. He dunks on everyone. He’s passing more. He’s delviped great chemistry with Derrick white AND KP. He’s so. Good.
Also as far as his ppg, don’t forget how many games he either hasn’t played in the 4tg qtr, or didn’t play much in the 4th or didn’t really get many shots. He’ll have a game evety so often when he scores 20 in a half and then Tatum doesn’t really get his so he spends the second half catching up to and passing JB
People who don’t understand JB getting his money simply don’t understand modern NBA money. You give your best players good contracts. You pay your best players or someone else will. If it doesn’t work out, you can use the contract as trade fodder later. The contract won’t seem as crazy in another year or 2 when the next series of players get their money (like JT). He’s not a perfect player, but he’s improved every year since entering the NBA and is proved to be an all-star caliber player. He’s making decisions with the ball MUCH faster this year, which is helping him lower the TOV and raise his floor production
It's been so cathartic to see the contract comments disappear since the season started, the man has been on a tear for the past month with his overall play (numbers went down for basically everyone but Tatum and that's to be expected).
@@zdw1004agreed. I can’t stand it man. And why is it always some false narrative surrounding JB?? Lol. Whether it’s that he’s not clutch because he has ONE bad playoff series after HaLF A DECaDE of good to great playoff series!( he was coming off a 30 ppg on 50/50 seires Vs Atlanta and then a 25 ppg and locked harden down for 2-3 full games vs sixers) or people say he has no left hand? Or simply no handle? When it’s clear as day, if you watch him year after year game after gmae, the dude has one of the better handles I’ve seen in the entire league for someone his size, and then he also is one of the better left hand finishers on drives for a right handed player that I’ve seen. Yes I know he gets too loose with the ball at times at the left nail and such, but ugh I can’t stand factually incorrect narratives. And then it seems like he never gets to be on the benefitting end of a narrative really. The one time was when he outplayed Tatum in the finals and finally the natual audience was saying that brown was gonna be mvp if Celtics won. But then people forgot about it like it never happened!
During my viewing career there have been two players, Jaylen Brown and John Wall, who never seemed to get valdisifpn relative to what others would get validation for. Even if they would finally get respect in the moment, everyone would forget they did the thing that no one could ignore at the time. Compare that to other players who seemingly would have one seires or make one shot, and then for the rest of their careers evetotne would use that one expeience to validate that player no matter what.
One thing that always stood out to me about Jaylen was that as he and Tatum were ascending to becoming all nba players, they evolved at differnet speeds, and for a while Jaylen was ahead of Tatum in a lot of ways before Tatums mind caught up to his skills. And the one group of people who were always aware of this were the opposing fan bases! Who you know have no bias. Maimi would always commend on our videos “thank God Boston is so dumb that they go away from Brown every game after he catches fire” or “Brown is better every game but Tatum always freezes him out when he has it going” and things like that. I wouldn’t even say that is totally done with, but Tatum got a lot better and I think they have both beofme ok with how it works. Brown still gets hot literally almost every single game, and then gets maybe inadvertently froze out for a bit, but it works.
Wanted okc to go after Lauri a year ago. He’s the perfect fit.
jj how do u track all these stats? i need a job