Well... that would happen if you put a bunch of humans with bad chemistry in a room... but then again usually the assholes would be shoved out of a airlock after a while and only the ones that respect boundaries survive...
Instead of a social deception game it’s a social standards “game” if you a repugnant individual you either get banished to the maintenance tunnels or if bad enough go for an extended EVA
So, if I understand this correctly, humanity is united only by the uplifted species keeping us from tearing each other apart. Yeah, that sounds about right.
Yeah. This story needs that element to make the premise of the story work. Completely ignoring that we could not have gotten to the point of uplifting any species if we could not cooperate amongst ourselves.
@@wildwikedwanderer1208 And I am sorry you seem to have had ONLY immature petty people in your life. However that doesn't make what I said wrong or invalid. And I never said those kinds don't exist. I merely pointed out that if that were the ONLY kind that did exist we could not have accomplished anything as a species, and would have died out long ago.
To be honest I agree with him. Humans by our nature are a social and generally cooperative species. Will there be tensions in groups of humans? Absolutely, especially as those groups get larger, but most of the time those tensions are not resolved through mass slaughter. Now I am not saying it does not happen, or has not happened, what I am saying is it usually does not. Things change of course when you start looking at Nation States, but those are a totally different beast to your general social or work groups of people. Frankly if all or most of humanity were as described in this story we would have become extinct a long time ago. The fact that we generally work relatively well together is one of the primary reasons for the survival of our species. Its why our instinct for social bonding is so strong. Even introverts bond socially, they just bond with fewer people and on their own terms, but they still bond. Introverts tend to have fewer fiends than extroverts, but those bonds of friendship tend to be much stronger. I mean, to put it into perspective, you only have to look at what happens to people who undergo long periods without human contact. Even the strongest willed and most introverted will literally go insane if they spend too long without some kind of social interaction. Interestingly this may be part of the explanation behind humans tendency to anthropomorphise things, including inanimate objects. Wilson the Volley ball in Cast Away is no mere joke, it is utterly serious. By projecting personality on that ball Tom Hanks character was able to stave of madness for far longer than he otherwise would have. That is not a mere hypothesis, it is well understood psychology....
There are many reasons to Uplift a species. This is the first funny one I have heard of. Security with menacing glare "Stop resisting!" bonks head as she participates in a riot. LOL The Roomba with a knife is an adored baby? Reminds me of real videos of Crabs being intimidating while holding a knife also.
@@Privateerblack Sounds like a decent title for a Crab Admiral or a Roomba Admiral. I am currently reading; Merchant Crab, All the Dust That Falls: A Roomba Isekai Adventure, and Heretical Fishing (Has a cheerful crab, grumpy crab, friendly otter and rabbit, and a lobster)
I am also reading System Universe; has a Rabbit Chef...who asked for permission to cook up some Elves, and was forbidden from eating anything that was a species Humans might become friends with. First it was no humanoids...but the story has an exception which are enemies of all Humans.
What I took away from this isn't that we humans are immature babies, but that it takes a lot of effort for people, of any location or era, to listen to others, or to feel like they are heard. Companion animals often feel like they understand us better than other humans. Take that feeling, and give those companions the ability to talk, or "uplift" them, and I could absolutely see something like this. Then to suddenly not have that intermediary? While it might feel liberating at first, if you have grown accustomed to the idea that you don't have to filter, then you don't, and humans unfiltered easily leads to misunderstanding, and misunderstanding easily leads to violence
People who form strong bonds with animal companions also often become emotionally reliant on them. Take a person's furry friends (or even human friends) away and even generally pleasant people can start exhibiting severe mood swings - never mind people who are working in cramped conditions such as, for instance, on a vessel of some sort. Edit: And that's without even _touching_ on people with mood or personality disorders.
Come on dude, get with the program, these are not your old time sailors, these are spacers. Rock rats and comet jackers! Half crazy, antisocial and always armed. You don't get a job with a mixed crew freighter, if you can play nice with others, you join the cruise liners, or the military. You go where the real money is.
Honestly, love stories like this. Emotional support uplifts. That said. Living with who’s BASICALLY a constant voice of reason. Yeah losing em for a few hours is bound to go wrong.
Idk, I find the whole idea of uplifting pets or animals in general distributing. I am not the kind to think about those things religiously. But I find the progress - I mean the tests needed to get there - anything, but acceptable. So I guess, to me there are some limits to how far manipulating natural evolution is acceptable. Nothing wrong with figuring out how to help to avoid illnesses when possible, or getting rid of them - even gene-therapy. Nothing wrong with growing new organs, tissue extra. And so on - until we start to talk about either 'making ideal something' or 'designing evolution events'. In a way, at least those things are - well done onto ourselves, rather than other beings - but there is more to that. I mean, to make a species 'uplifted' may require several, purposefully designed evolution events - and that is something which never happens only to one tor small hand full of beings. New species does not begin by one giving birth to another. It is population scale event, sum of countless little changes, happening slowly, consistently. Events required for it to have enough genetic material to even remain a viable breeding population. Something like 10K individuals required for a population, all different enough genetically (with preferred advances to them), or the species will not survive - and that's like minimal if I remember right. It is actually rather notable that 'wolves became dogs' aka received evolution event with us and because of us. The kind of idea, like in bible, where just one couple somehow made the rest of humans is utterly impossible. And thus - speaking about uplifting - imagine the operation for real - imagine how many test generations you need, and how large a population all together to find even 10K suitable individuals for the next step ahead. Most of them will not meet the requirements. So in reality you need a lot - a LOT - more. And does that sound a situation ethical enough? The lives of those individual beings, between now and then? Sure as a fantasy it may seem fun and cute - a bit like dressing a cat into some clothes - but there will always be those of us who see the poor animal in those garments and thinks how awkward and uncomfortable it will likely feel wearing them.
@lyrigageforge3259 One thing to note: There's a lab studying domestication by selectively breeding foxes to be like dogs. Belyayev foxes, named after the geneticist who began the experiment in the 60s. I believe that foxes that aren't kept to continue the experiment can be adopted as pets... if you can handle something mischievous with Husky-like energy.
Yeah, this makes sense, also. It's safe to say that we are already uplifting many species to begin with. I mean you have people teaching parrots how to talk, pet owners teaching their pets how to use human tools, and wild animals learning how to live in cities.
Not just how but their bodies adapting to work in cities better. Birds populations that live in high traffic areas develop shorter wings wich make dodging cars easier.
After hearing this the second time while on my job site, i makes me realize why retail is always a shit show. Its humans alone with other humans for hours at a time.
I can just imagine an uplifted Golden Retriever working checkout and thinking it's the best job in the world because so few people are willing to be mean to them.
I once made a joke that is the premise of this story, if my dog was uplifted. She would go get a job and take care me. All she knows how to do is love and care.
Imagine an uplifted wolf hybrid who guarded his or her humans from everything, and had to be specifically introduced to strangers to be able to stand down.
Okay, to be fair, stealing a man's food is one of those things you just don't do. Especially if someone has had food insecurity before. You don't take other people's food. If you ask, there's a good chance they'd be willing to share or trade, but do not steal it. If you do, whatever happens next is on you.
TBF that is the genra, 'Humans, Fuck Yeah'. The point is Humans are exceptional... honestly I like ones like this or where Humans are the madmen of the galaxy rather than just playing with cheats on. Inherently better doesn't make for as good stories as 'crazy, but it sometimes works'.
Except this doesn’t happen in our current world with people who don’t have pets. I genuinely hate when hacks like this think they are doing something clever when they’re just ignoring reality
the idea is that those who DO have the need for comfort besides humans, (and lets face it, humans don't always want to be someone else emotional support human,) if you were to remove those companions for any extended time, they are not going to be happy. (shrugs) We are not all the same, and just like any HFY story, this story does not speak for the whole race, but according to the story tropes, aliens like to make blanket statements. :)
The only way I could see something even close to this happen is if human spent centuries where medicine is so developed that anything short of death is a non issue. Without consequences a lot of us would be more prone to violence but even then, not to that point
@@americanpride5540or medical development has been so advanced for so long that anything short of death is a non-issue. Removing consequences and making many humans far more prone to violence
@@americanpride5540 Hm. It _was_ mentioned that you see humans without uplifts but not the other way around. Therefore, there are humans who can function without them. So yeah, I think that uplifts might be engineered to provide emotional labor for the chronically childish.
h or h releases new chapters every 2 weeks. net narrator records basically as soon as it's released, but schedules videos a LONG time in advanced. the video will come __eventually__. you just need to be patient. if something changes with that pattern, nn would announce it either in a community post, or in a video.
Stabby made it to space only to be murdered twice
All hail emperor stabby!
Poor stabby.
@medical-cyanide1526 how many stories has stabby made it into
People laugh at stabby, until someone gets the bright idea to give him upgrades.
@@WE_DONT_LIE absolutely no clue
Well... that would happen if you put a bunch of humans with bad chemistry in a room... but then again usually the assholes would be shoved out of a airlock after a while and only the ones that respect boundaries survive...
Instead of a social deception game it’s a social standards “game” if you a repugnant individual you either get banished to the maintenance tunnels or if bad enough go for an extended EVA
@@medical-cyanide1526... or, unfortunately, you become one of the top officers.
@@medical-cyanide1526 extended suitless EVA. Talk about joining the polar bear club the hard way. sheesh XD
So, if I understand this correctly, humanity is united only by the uplifted species keeping us from tearing each other apart.
Yeah, that sounds about right.
where kitty girl?
Poor Stabby, the Roomba!
"STOP RESISTING!!!" 🤣 🤣 🤣
So apparently we’re a bunch of immature babies. Hmm…
Yeah. This story needs that element to make the premise of the story work. Completely ignoring that we could not have gotten to the point of uplifting any species if we could not cooperate amongst ourselves.
@@davidtherwhanger6795I’m so jealous you’ve only ever had mature non petty people in your life.
Common! It was MY *COOKIE JAR!*
@@wildwikedwanderer1208 And I am sorry you seem to have had ONLY immature petty people in your life. However that doesn't make what I said wrong or invalid.
And I never said those kinds don't exist. I merely pointed out that if that were the ONLY kind that did exist we could not have accomplished anything as a species, and would have died out long ago.
To be honest I agree with him. Humans by our nature are a social and generally cooperative species. Will there be tensions in groups of humans? Absolutely, especially as those groups get larger, but most of the time those tensions are not resolved through mass slaughter.
Now I am not saying it does not happen, or has not happened, what I am saying is it usually does not.
Things change of course when you start looking at Nation States, but those are a totally different beast to your general social or work groups of people.
Frankly if all or most of humanity were as described in this story we would have become extinct a long time ago. The fact that we generally work relatively well together is one of the primary reasons for the survival of our species. Its why our instinct for social bonding is so strong. Even introverts bond socially, they just bond with fewer people and on their own terms, but they still bond. Introverts tend to have fewer fiends than extroverts, but those bonds of friendship tend to be much stronger.
I mean, to put it into perspective, you only have to look at what happens to people who undergo long periods without human contact. Even the strongest willed and most introverted will literally go insane if they spend too long without some kind of social interaction. Interestingly this may be part of the explanation behind humans tendency to anthropomorphise things, including inanimate objects.
Wilson the Volley ball in Cast Away is no mere joke, it is utterly serious. By projecting personality on that ball Tom Hanks character was able to stave of madness for far longer than he otherwise would have. That is not a mere hypothesis, it is well understood psychology....
Let's stick humans in a cafeteria with nothing to do for hours--what did they think was going to happen?
They probably thought something more mundane was gonna happen. Maybe like a foodfight or naptime.
Uplofted Emotional Support Critters,
Funny as hell even if it was exaggerated.
There are many reasons to Uplift a species. This is the first funny one I have heard of.
Security with menacing glare "Stop resisting!" bonks head as she participates in a riot. LOL
The Roomba with a knife is an adored baby? Reminds me of real videos of Crabs being intimidating while holding a knife also.
You've clearly never heard the tale of Fleet Admiral Stabby.
@@Privateerblack Sounds like a decent title for a Crab Admiral or a Roomba Admiral.
I am currently reading; Merchant Crab, All the Dust That Falls: A Roomba Isekai Adventure, and Heretical Fishing (Has a cheerful crab, grumpy crab, friendly otter and rabbit, and a lobster)
I am also reading System Universe; has a Rabbit Chef...who asked for permission to cook up some Elves, and was forbidden from eating anything that was a species Humans might become friends with. First it was no humanoids...but the story has an exception which are enemies of all Humans.
What I took away from this isn't that we humans are immature babies, but that it takes a lot of effort for people, of any location or era, to listen to others, or to feel like they are heard. Companion animals often feel like they understand us better than other humans. Take that feeling, and give those companions the ability to talk, or "uplift" them, and I could absolutely see something like this.
Then to suddenly not have that intermediary? While it might feel liberating at first, if you have grown accustomed to the idea that you don't have to filter, then you don't, and humans unfiltered easily leads to misunderstanding, and misunderstanding easily leads to violence
People who form strong bonds with animal companions also often become emotionally reliant on them. Take a person's furry friends (or even human friends) away and even generally pleasant people can start exhibiting severe mood swings - never mind people who are working in cramped conditions such as, for instance, on a vessel of some sort.
Edit: And that's without even _touching_ on people with mood or personality disorders.
Come on dude, get with the program, these are not your old time sailors, these are spacers. Rock rats and comet jackers! Half crazy, antisocial and always armed. You don't get a job with a mixed crew freighter, if you can play nice with others, you join the cruise liners, or the military. You go where the real money is.
Honestly, love stories like this. Emotional support uplifts.
That said. Living with who’s BASICALLY a constant voice of reason. Yeah losing em for a few hours is bound to go wrong.
Idk, I find the whole idea of uplifting pets or animals in general distributing. I am not the kind to think about those things religiously. But I find the progress - I mean the tests needed to get there - anything, but acceptable. So I guess, to me there are some limits to how far manipulating natural evolution is acceptable. Nothing wrong with figuring out how to help to avoid illnesses when possible, or getting rid of them - even gene-therapy. Nothing wrong with growing new organs, tissue extra. And so on - until we start to talk about either 'making ideal something' or 'designing evolution events'. In a way, at least those things are - well done onto ourselves, rather than other beings - but there is more to that.
I mean, to make a species 'uplifted' may require several, purposefully designed evolution events - and that is something which never happens only to one tor small hand full of beings. New species does not begin by one giving birth to another. It is population scale event, sum of countless little changes, happening slowly, consistently. Events required for it to have enough genetic material to even remain a viable breeding population. Something like 10K individuals required for a population, all different enough genetically (with preferred advances to them), or the species will not survive - and that's like minimal if I remember right. It is actually rather notable that 'wolves became dogs' aka received evolution event with us and because of us. The kind of idea, like in bible, where just one couple somehow made the rest of humans is utterly impossible. And thus - speaking about uplifting - imagine the operation for real - imagine how many test generations you need, and how large a population all together to find even 10K suitable individuals for the next step ahead. Most of them will not meet the requirements. So in reality you need a lot - a LOT - more. And does that sound a situation ethical enough? The lives of those individual beings, between now and then?
Sure as a fantasy it may seem fun and cute - a bit like dressing a cat into some clothes - but there will always be those of us who see the poor animal in those garments and thinks how awkward and uncomfortable it will likely feel wearing them.
@lyrigageforge3259 One thing to note:
There's a lab studying domestication by selectively breeding foxes to be like dogs. Belyayev foxes, named after the geneticist who began the experiment in the 60s.
I believe that foxes that aren't kept to continue the experiment can be adopted as pets... if you can handle something mischievous with Husky-like energy.
Poor Stabby
Loved the appearance of Mr. Stabby
Never mess with another man's cookies...nothing good will come of it.
I wonder if the battle Royale might have been avoided with some dozens of cookies 🤔
Stabby Noooo!!!!!
This sounds like a normal day at work.
Yeah, this makes sense, also. It's safe to say that we are already uplifting many species to begin with.
I mean you have people teaching parrots how to talk, pet owners teaching their pets how to use human tools, and wild animals learning how to live in cities.
Not just how but their bodies adapting to work in cities better.
Birds populations that live in high traffic areas develop shorter wings wich make dodging cars easier.
After hearing this the second time while on my job site, i makes me realize why retail is always a shit show. Its humans alone with other humans for hours at a time.
I can just imagine an uplifted Golden Retriever working checkout and thinking it's the best job in the world because so few people are willing to be mean to them.
I once made a joke that is the premise of this story, if my dog was uplifted. She would go get a job and take care me. All she knows how to do is love and care.
Imagine an uplifted wolf hybrid who guarded his or her humans from everything, and had to be specifically introduced to strangers to be able to stand down.
This story was like a kids' fight but more brutal 😂
I've been looking for this story for a while. God I love it
ok...but who DID take the cookies? Greg openly stated he doesnt have it anymore meaning someone else has it.
It's a poop joke. He doesn't have the cookies anymore.
@@oVoidhawko That's no joke.
He had them, he ate them. He no longer has them.
It means he ate them
So the uplifted babied the humans in preteen-teen behavior , though no emotional support companion with long periods of voyage is probable meltdown
That ending though is worth it. I mean Thoma does sound like a jerk to me.
Okay, to be fair, stealing a man's food is one of those things you just don't do. Especially if someone has had food insecurity before. You don't take other people's food. If you ask, there's a good chance they'd be willing to share or trade, but do not steal it. If you do, whatever happens next is on you.
Nooo don't kill stabby
Real.
Hey wadda ya know. A scifi story where humans aren't better than everyone else. They really do exist.
TBF that is the genra, 'Humans, Fuck Yeah'. The point is Humans are exceptional... honestly I like ones like this or where Humans are the madmen of the galaxy rather than just playing with cheats on.
Inherently better doesn't make for as good stories as 'crazy, but it sometimes works'.
LOL ! I was 404 !
Why is this accurate
Stop Resisting!!!
Hmm... It almost sound we are living in a world where Pokemon got human like body with human like intellect. Furry's heaven for sure.
STABBY NOOOO
Are the humans 5?
AKA Why humans need furries
Except this doesn’t happen in our current world with people who don’t have pets.
I genuinely hate when hacks like this think they are doing something clever when they’re just ignoring reality
the idea is that those who DO have the need for comfort besides humans, (and lets face it, humans don't always want to be someone else emotional support human,) if you were to remove those companions for any extended time, they are not going to be happy. (shrugs) We are not all the same, and just like any HFY story, this story does not speak for the whole race, but according to the story tropes, aliens like to make blanket statements. :)
The only way I could see something even close to this happen is if human spent centuries where medicine is so developed that anything short of death is a non issue.
Without consequences a lot of us would be more prone to violence but even then, not to that point
ha, this author clearly does not have a high opinion of his own species, such a shame, but ah well.
Either that, or the ship is a distant-future way of managing dangerous anti-social personalities by giving them a job and an emotional support uplift.
@@lemax6865 hmm, you know I do enjoy that interpretation, I don't think that is the angle the author was going for, but I do enjoy it.
@@americanpride5540or medical development has been so advanced for so long that anything short of death is a non-issue.
Removing consequences and making many humans far more prone to violence
@@americanpride5540 Hm. It _was_ mentioned that you see humans without uplifts but not the other way around. Therefore, there are humans who can function without them. So yeah, I think that uplifts might be engineered to provide emotional labor for the chronically childish.
First
This is....stupid.
Sorry pal, we've been friends for over 20,000 years.
Sooooo are you gonna keep hunter or huntress locked behind a pay wall? Aight
h or h releases new chapters every 2 weeks. net narrator records basically as soon as it's released, but schedules videos a LONG time in advanced. the video will come __eventually__. you just need to be patient.
if something changes with that pattern, nn would announce it either in a community post, or in a video.