Making a Curvy Seat - Part 2 - The Sides
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- Опубликовано: 7 окт 2022
- See how the first pieces of metal are shaped to fit the buck for the Curvy Seat!
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Ron Covell, you are a sheet metal wizard! Awesome! I cannot believe this channel has less than 200k subscribers
Thanks so much. I'm over 190K, so I hope it's not too long until reach 200K subscribers!
not for long ;)
Really appreciate these in-depth video series showing us how a metal magician works!
Thanks for watching, and commenting!
have you ever thought about doing audio books ,,, its that voice , its like drowning in chocolate ,,,
Wow - that's quite a compliment! I have never considered doing an audiobook, but maybe I'll consider it.
@@RonCovell You really should ,
An excellent demonstrate, on the use of the English wheel and metal shrinker. The buck can save a lot of frustration. A pleasure to watch.
I'm so glad you liked it!
You are a treasure trove of fabrication knowledge. Thank you for your willingness to share and the effort you put into your videos.
Wow, thank you! I'm so glad you enjoy my videos, and there are more on the way.
The Godfather of metal.
What a nice thing to say!
Nice trick with the soot for annealing aluminium. No need the get the temperature crayons out.
See, I'm saving you money already!
This is a complex shape. Ron makes it look deceptively easy.
Yes, it is a complicated shape. Wait until you see the seat back formed, in an upcoming video!
WOW! You are the Bob Ross of metal forming. You make it look SO easy and having shaped aircraft fairing pieces I know it’s not. I am learning a lot. Mainly that my example of an English Wheel stinks.
Glad you liked the video. Yes, there are a lot of English wheels on the market - many are made by people who have never used the machine, so they don't know what features are important, and which are not.
Thanks for making a daunting task seem easy- You've completely taken the mystery out of metal shaping and brought it to the masses. I can definitely say your videos have been an inspiration for me to try my hand at some complex projects. Keep up the great work!
I'm so glad you have been inspired to do this kind of work!
You are an artist, Ron 😊. My lazy boy is getting worried 🤣.
Thanks for the vid!
Cheers 🍻
Thanks 👍
It's still magical to see to the sheet metal form into those curves! Thank you for sharing!
You're very welcome!
It's amazing. Sheet metal is one of those things where the techniques for one-off and high-volume production are extremely different.
Oh my gosh are they different!
working with you for a while would be a great learning experience. Your skill with sheet metal is amazing...
Watching your channel from Brazil :D
Well, RUclips is the next best thing to being with me 'for real'!
Ron it is a pleasure to watch part 2, great watching, many thanks for your videos.
Glad you enjoyed it! I'm working on Part 3 right now.
Sir, thank you. This is very entertaining, educational and inspiring!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent, as always. I learn so much by watching your videos. Thank you.
Thanks so much, Paul - we gotta keep the Covell name going!
thanks Ron great video.
Thanks for watching!
Great work, Ron! Thank you for all what you do, that's really interesting for me. Greetings from Ukraine!
Many thanks, and I'm so glad that you and your countrymen seem poised to push out the Russian invaders.
Slava Ukraini! Heroyam Slava!
A 30 min vid never went by so quick. .Ron I could watch you fab all day. Thanks for your time!!
You know, I was concerned when I saw how long this video was going to be - so your comment means a lot to me. I did my best to make it absolutely as short as I could, by speeding up the action as much as possible, and cutting out as much footage as I could without removing the 'meat' of the video.
I love watching this - thank you for inserting metric equivalent
Glad you enjoyed it!
I thought that first English Wheel was nice but that black one is beautiful.... I love the sound the metal makes in an English Wheel and the metal working is just a super satisfying process and I'd love to work in a shop like this. I'm obsessed w/ bikes so I could see myself making some really cool stuff using tools like that.... I'm imagining body panels for a bike that has storage spots for gloves in the gas tank, not inside the tank but in a second layer like a double hull boat but w/ a small panel for access.
That's a cool idea!
@@RonCovell - You're better equipped to do it than I am so feel free to use the idea.... LoL
Thanks!
Ron You are a true Artist ! Ive been following you from 1991 ! To have and still have the hunger for life ! ( CREATE ) You are lucky to have found what keeps you liveing ! Thank You for all these years of giveing !!!! Straight Ahead ✌😎 PS i didnt see any watermelon seeds on your shirt
Thanks so much, Mike! I've been buying seedless watermelons lately, which keeps my clothes much cleaner.
Watching with great interest as I need a curvy seat.
You can do it!
Another great video. You make it look very easy. I like how you also think of metric people , so that when you give a 3/4 measure you also put them in mm. Small thing but much appreciated.
Thanks for commenting, and I'm glad that you liked the video. While I grew up with the Imperial measuring system, I fully recognize that the vast majority of the world uses the Metric system- and I want to make my measurements comprehensible to everyone.
That’s a thing of beauty. Thanks Ron
Thank you very much!
Learning a lot here, thanks Ron! Cheers from Florida
Glad to hear it! Hope you weren't impacted by the terrible hurricane!
another great piece comes together - super work Ron
Thank you! Cheers!
Watching you pick out exactly where to add more curvature or less is incredible! A fine job!
Thank you so much!
Watching metal magic happen! I've great respect for your skill with the English wheel demonstrated in this video. Thank you for sharing. Greetings from the Netherlands, Mark
Thank you very much!
Enjoyed…great discussion/demonstration of the various techniques/tools
Thanks so much!
Hey Dad, it's me again. This video is a masterpiece, it deserves many more views.
Thanks so much. This was only released about a week ago, and I'm sure it will gain many more views over time.
Thank you for another great video. Now I need to practice with my English wheel. Hopefully one day I will be able to take your class
Practice makes perfect!
Good afternoon, Ron. I'm a big fan of your knowledge & the ability to explain the process of metal fabrication. I have 90% of your DVDs & they have inspired me on some of my own projects. Thanks! Like!
Thanks for the kind words!
Excellent video, with no details missed, thanks Ron.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Another great video Ron! I can't wait to see it all come together!
Thanks - I'm shooting the next video right now.
@@RonCovell you keep making them, I'll keep watching them!
You bet!
Amazing work Ron. You make it look so easy :)
Thank you! Cheers!
Perfect
Thanks!
I've worked in the structural side of metal working most of my life, watching someone else do the sheet metal work and now, these last couple years, been learning the sheet metal work. I've learned a lot of moving thin metal substantially different in how it acts compared to structural form. This has been very interesting, seeing the compound curves formed. Thanks!
Well, I have far more experience with 'the thin stuff'. Structural materials are a completely different animal!
I'm always amazed how quickly you get a good fit. I'm excited for the next instalment.
Well, it certainly helps when I can 'speed up the action' with my video editing.
Hi Ron, thank you so much for sharing these techniques! Will you be showing how you connect the pieces together via welding? I would love to see the joining along the edges and what techniques are used there. Thanks again for your vast knowledge.
Yes, I will be releasing videos that show the welding and smoothing process in the near future.
We’re so lucky to get this amazing info from a metalworking icon. Thank you Ron for making these videos.
Glad you enjoy it!
Beautiful work Ron
Thank you! Cheers!
Thanks Ron. An excellent demonstration of the technique to shape those parts. I'll have to remember the rubber band trick too.
Yes, the rubber band technique is a good one!
Always informative and very inspiring - 👍👍😎👍👍
Glad to hear it!
Thank you
You're welcome!
Very nice work Ron, you are very skilled.
Thank you kindly, Randy! That means a lot, coming from you!
Thanks Ron!
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Hi Ron.
This is a video that should be watched many times. There are so many tips that will be realized by very few.
Excellent! Jere
Jere - thanks so much. I know that you are familiar with this kind of work, inside and out, so I take that as a real compliment!
Thanks for sharing Ron, always learning from you since the 90's in New Paltz NY! Thank you for sharing your talent!
Hey, you and I go WAY back! Glad you enjoyed the video.
Thank you
I learn so much from you
I'm so glad to hear that!
Fantastic video, it seems to me you are almost uniquely gifted at understanding and conveying the finer points of what you are observing, the tricks you use to help with that observation, and the methods you use to correct the difference between what you get and what you want.
One observation about quench hardening: it's widely thought that this causes most metals to harden, whereas in fact this hardening effect is virtually exclusive to metals containing significant amounts of iron and carbon.
You are quite right to say that some aluminium alloys are heat treatable, but this is by precipitation hardening, not quench hardening. PH involves heating to a much lower temperature than annealing, and holding for an extended period of time.
At the end of the precipitation period for heat treatable aluminium alloys, quenching can be substituted for the usual air cooling with no ill effects, but it does not *cause* hardening in this or any other case.
Thank you so much for the detailed explanation of the difference between precipitation hardening and quench hardening. I had a foggy understanding of how these applied to aluminum alloys, and your description makes it much more clear!
@@RonCovell It's easy to see why you have acquired such an impressive fount of knowledge and wisdom, given how open you are to adding to it at the slightest opportunity. Kudos, and thanks for your abundant generosity, both in so bountifully sharing your knowledge, and in your gracious responses!
Another inspiring video. Thank you very much Ron!
Greetings from Sweden🇸🇪
My pleasure!
This'll be an awesome seat! Well done sir. And I really dig the pinstripe on the Lg English wheel, a little goes a long way 👍
Thanks! 👍
A true craftsman! Thanks for passing it on.
My pleasure!
Hi Ron,
Nicely done, as per usual.
Having no experience with aluminum, I expect stretching it must be really a delicate process. I know I can rip apart a piece of 18 gauge steel with my El Cheapo stretcher with very little effort. Sadly I have demonstrated that to myself on a couple of occasions.
Looking forward to the next installment.
Take care,
Joe
Thanks so much, Joe! Yes, aluminum is much easier to tear than steel, so it takes a gentle touch.
@@RonCovell I wondered if, lacking a stretching machine, it would have been feasible to use the wheel to stretch those edges in the vicinity of the reverse curvature, or would some other means be necessary?
I can certainly see that the stretcher saves a lot of time, and the fact that it operates in "bites", and the pedal travel being an indicator of the amount of stretch for the current bite, seems to make it relatively easy to get the desired gradual transition from no stretch to full stretch ...
The reverse curve was awesome. I haven't had the chance to do naturally shaped metal (industrial sheet metal background). I'll remember that trick.
It's a good one!
Loving this series. Thanks for sharing with us, Ron.
Glad you enjoy it!
Great job as always Mr. Covell Thanks for the videos and information.
You are very welcome
Awesome video Ron the reverse curve is something else, such a beautiful swooping line. Hope youre well!
Thanks, Sam! I just finished shooting the reverse curve on the seat back - should have that video up in a few weeks.
Very nice work, Great video, thanks for sharing
I'm so glad you enjoyed it!
Great video as always Ron!👍👍
Glad you like them!
Fabrication Santa has the skills to pay the bills!
Yes, we ALL need to pay the bills!
I learn so many subtle things from you. Thank you for doing this!
I'm so glad!
Absolutely amazing. You make it look so easy and quick. But there really was a lot of work behind shaping them all. It just takes time and a skilled understanding of what you need to do to the metal and how to get to that point with the tools you have. Thumbs Up!
I made several of these parts off-camera, and believe me, there was a learning curve! The first ones took a LOT longer.
@@RonCovell It's great that you share that disclosure up front, in the video. It's inspiring to find that it's a never ending journey, and it helps us not get too despondent when our own efforts fall far short on the first handful of tries.
Merci pour tout Mr Covell 👍
De rien!
Awe inspiring sir !
I'm very glad you enjoyed this video!
Thank you.
You're welcome!
Great lesson. P.S the red and black bit on the end of your file can be used as a handle
Glad you liked it! I certainly hold the file by the handle whenever I'm pushing it, but on floppy sheetmetal, it often chatters less when you pull it.
Bellisimo! 🤌
Thanks so much!
Hi Ron!
Thanks for the video! You are truly a great teacher.
I would love if you would talk brifly about the material choice in your videos. When you say 3003 H-14 Aluminium, what does that mean? What at the propperties of that type of aluminium and why did you choose it for the build? That way we also learn somthing about the material in your videos.
Again - Thanks!! :D
3003 H-14 aluminum is widely used for auto bodies. It is a soft, workable grade of aluminum, with strength that's adequate for that application. The 3003 designation refers to the chemical composition of the material. The initial number - 3 - indicates that some amount of the element Manganese is added to the pure aluminum base metal. The last two digits - 03 - indicate that three tenths of one percent is the amount of Manganese used in the final product (not much, but even this trace amount gives the material more strength, and makes it weld more easily).
Last, the H-14 portion of the designation tells you that it's a non-heat treatable alloy, in the half-hard temper. You can learn more here:
www.fastradius.com/resources/decoding-aluminum-alloy-numbering/#:~:text=The%20wrought%20aluminum%20series%20names,specific%20alloys%20in%20the%20series.
Answered, thanks
You're welcome!
Mais uma vez obrigado pela dica vivendo curtindo e aprendendo abraços João Batista
Estou tão feliz que você goste desses vídeos!
Ron, it is super that you are passing on this knowledge! I do have a question though: how do you chose which wheel you want to use? I'm sure this judgement comes with experience and surely there is some flexibility on which you go with for any particular shaping step, but if you had some suggestions it would be nice to know what your thought process is for selecting each shaping wheel.
The lower wheel has to have at least as much curvature as the panel, but the closer the radius of the wheel is to the part, the smoother the finish will be. If you review the video closely, you will see that when I roughed out the first panel with the 3" radius wheel it had noticeable ridges, and when I used the 5" radius wheel, it smoothed it out nicely.
My brain: "Why are you even watching this? You've never been within a hundred feet of an English wheel."
Me: "Shush, he's making the metal potato chip shaped."
Yeah, the 'potato chip' ship is pretty challenging!
@17:13 its your sheet metal you can make it as snuggly as you like.
Thanks!
GREAT VIDEO RON, CAN YOU ANNEAL STEEL AS WELL?
Well, steel can certainly be annealed, but it's 'tricky' to anneal steel sheet metal in the shop. The problem is that if steel cools rapidly, it gets harder. If you had some way to retard the cooling, it would certainly stay soft after being heated to red color, and there is no problem annealing heavy steel sections in the shop. With sheet metal, there is so little mass in the metal that the ambient air sucks the temperature out of it pretty rapidly, which can harden the metal.
@@RonCovell OK, THANKS RON
I love how the handle of the file is optional to you lol. And dont take that as criticism. Because i do the same thing in numerous circumstances with different tools 🤣💪
For the record, I do have handles on most of my files.
@@RonCovell im sure, i just laughed when you used the file body instead of the handle when deburring that piece 😁. Thats something i would do for sure. You are a wizard with sheet metal, and i say that because i cant think of a better description. Love your videos and please keep them coming 😁
Wheel frame is quite flexible. I guess that wheel is best for light gauge aluminum?
The benchtop machine can shape steel up to 18 gauge (1.14mm), and aluminum up to .080" (2mm), but it is best for lighter-gauge materials.
When - if ever? - do you have to re-anneal aluminum? I know with brass you have to do it fairly often but you don’t seem to need to for some time.
I've been working with aluminum for over 50 years, and I think I've only needed to re-anneal maybe a couple dozen parts in that time - so it's not needed a lot. 3003 alloy doesn't work harden nearly as fast as most other alloys.
like your video~amazing
Thank you! Cheers!
@@RonCovell like this video,i come frome Taiwan,i wold like to learn this skill
Ron, you are the master! Thanks for the videos. Question, how much more difficult would it have been for you to make this whole seat from one piece of sheet metal? Just curious how you decide to break a project into pieces vs one piece.
What a great question. As you can see in the first video in the series, the original seat was made from one piece of metal - but that was made in a sophisticated press, with drawing dies that are designed for the purpose.
As a metal fabricator, you have to make decisions about how much of the work is done by shrinking, and how much is done by stretching. Using the shrinkers with a 1-inch throat depth, you're really limited on how much shrinking you can do - and if you stretch the metal too much, it can get perilously thin, or even crack.
That's why I chose to make the seat from 6 pieces of metal. I could have made it from 3 pieces, but making it from 1 piece really isn't feasible unless you can shrink the material a great deal.
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Ron, I would be a bit concerned about creating a weak point in the seat due to having all sections joining in the same area. For strength sake (in a seat) would it be better to have the center made of 3 pieces (middle strengthening the sides). Could you address how you walk the line between choosing ultimate strength vs easier work ability of shapes.
...Always a treat watching your work Thanks.
Done properly, welded seams really are not 'weak points' at all, and they can be as strong as the surrounding metal. Cars have been built for over 100 years with welded joints 'meeting', and as long as there aren't defects in the weld, problems are extremely rare.
It's a bit hard to address 'walking the line' between strength and workability. This is something you learn from experience, and looking at the work of others (especially work that has failed for one reason or another).
This video will give you some idea of the strength of a weld on aluminum:
ruclips.net/video/aF1Srs_e1Aw/видео.html
... da Vinci of sheet metal ...
Thanks for the kind words!
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Can you explain how an English wheel works? Is it because you are pushing down on the part, as if you would bend it, and the wheels just basically act to move the location of the bending action constantly? Because if it's not that, I really don't get how the action forces a curve into the part.
The wheels actually generate enough force to make the metal thinner. Metal can't change volume, so as it thins, it gets wider. (have ever seen a penny placed on a railroad track, after the train runs over it?) The wider metal has to 'go' somewhere, so it 'domes up'. This video may make it more clear:
ruclips.net/video/omRlIBONJAM/видео.html
@@RonCovell Thanks much!
I guess then that's the reason the top wheel is bigger? Because if it were the opposite it would 'dome down' instead and make for a very awkward motion to work it?
There have been English wheels made with the same size wheels top and bottom, and they work fine. The fact that the top wheel is flat and the bottom wheel is curved has a lot to do with the 'doming-up' phenomenon.
ruclips.net/video/pKPoaL0oHLk/видео.html
@@RonCovell Thanks much for the information.
I missed the watermelon 😋
Yeah, watermelon is a lot more tasty than metal!
Wonderful video as always, I am curious why you choose 3003 series aluminum instead of something like 6061, is it due to the temper?
6061 is ideal where high strength is required, 3003 is prefered when workability is more important.
@@RonCovell do you ever struggle with work hardening with 3003? if so is it just a quick torch anneal to solve the problem or is it more involved?
I've been working with 3003 for 50 years, and I'm so used to how it behaves, I don't consider it a struggle. It can be annealed as many time as you want, and it's just as easy as it looks in the video (as long as you don't overheat the metal and melt it).
@@RonCovell Thanks for reading and responding to my comments Ron, keep the videos coming. I hope to get out to your shop for a class some time soon.
Hope you can make it!
Hi, Ron, a couple years back I got to visit the Toyota Prototype shop in Toyota City Japan. I was shocked to see the training their guys go through learning how to make custom parts to match drawings. Here is a video of one of the first apprentice projects being taught by a Master at the Hino(commercial vehicles) facility. ruclips.net/video/5i9SpeOfdNg/видео.html
One thing I noticed(besides how their torches are plumbed into the building) is how EVERYTHING is done with hammers. No english wheel. I'll find some photos I took and share by email.
Thanks for sending that video my way. I had actually seen it before, but it's so good I watched it again. That's some incredibly challenging work being done to close tolerances with a hammer alone. And keeping white clothes spotless while doing it!
I have traveled a bit in Japan, and I remain awestruck about their focus, and devotion to refinement in all things.
I saw a video of the Shinkansen (Bullet Train) bodies being shaped by hammer, too!
ruclips.net/video/FZNFsbDDOPs/видео.html
Thank you. I know I'm going to hell for saying I was seeing a toaster the whole time. Sensei for sure.
Hey - toasters need some love, too!
Not long ago, you would be accused of witchcraft for those skills :D
Some still accuse me of that.
The excellence in quality of these videos should inspire younger content creators to do better.
Please notice how this man speaks slowly and clearly. He is not over caffeinated.
Please notice how he can speak an entire paragraph without cuts and edits.
Please notice how all of his ideas are expressed without any mistakes to syntax or grammar.
Everything about this video is perfect.
Thank you so much for your kind words. I work very hard to make my videos the best they can be, and I often have to go through several re-takes to get the wording just right. It pleases me very much that you notice and appreciate this!
@@RonCovell You see Ron, that is the problem with most people of all ages today; most people are unwilling to go back and do it again. This is also why you see motorists cut across three lanes, right in front of other vehicles to take a freeway exit at the last second. Because that person is unwilling to pay for his own mistake by taking the next exit or the next street and driving all the way around. People will make everyone else pay for that person's mistake.
You do not do make us, the viewers, your pupils, your customers, pay for your mistakes. You pay for your own mistakes and retake the scene as many times as is necessary to achieve excellence.
Many youtubers have had greater success but very few can rival your quality.
You bring up a very good point, and I am a person who's willing to 'do it again'!