Thanks for the content RB! No knock on you at all, but the game WAY understates the fire power on the super star destroyer. When Voyager ran down the side of the ship it should have been continuously fired upon as it came into the field of fire of each of the next in the long line of successive turbo laser batteries down the side of the ship; not the random, slow fire the game allows.
Not really an issue, as these mods are built for encounters between different ships from the same fictional world, which varies depending on the mod. They essentially transform the Bridge Commander mechanics into separate ones as needed for the mod. "Crossovers" like this are just fun-time fooling around.
Considering the Voth city ship BEAMED Voyager inside yeah it's WAY bigger than the Super Star Destroyer. Loved hearing the voice over of evil Janeway from "Living Witness." One of my favorite Voyager episodes. When you mentioned the shape of the Super Star Destroyer...it actually reminds me of the delta that Trekyards uses for their channel. Nearly the same. I didn't connect the two until you mentioned it. I was surprised you were able to destroy Voyager's shield system. That was nuts. When Voyager was trying to go under you I had a sneaky feeling they were going for the Worf maneuver. Not surprised the game crashed lol. I laughed so hard when the Death Star took you out with one shot from the planet beams. LOL I laughed even harder when you destroyed the Death Star but blew up when you went into warp and the game glitching LMAO. I think you won that because you destroyed the Death Star first before you blew up when warping out lol.
The first battle you were controlling voyager is how any federation starsip should take on a Star Destroyer if they're smart. Star Destroyers have very few ventral weapons so it's a much safer way to attack one then just wear the sheilds down and stick a torperdo where it really hurts. We have seen something simular in Star Trek before in the battle of Terok Nor in the mirror universe when the ISS Defiant did the same when fighting the Regent's flagship.
Despite how over-powered everything Star Wars seems to be in BC, the SSD seems underpowered: the 'real' one had "over 5,000 turbolasers, including 750 twin heavy turbolaser batteries, and 1000 turret-mounted twin light turbolaser batteries" and "125 assault concussion missile launchers, 100 twin battleship ion cannons and 250 turret-mounted quad laser cannons." (Wookiepedia) The shields also wouldn't fail so quickly, as in RotJ, it took the entire Rebel fleet concentrating their firepower to break the shields, and in legends, one SSD took three ISDs jumping out of lightspeed into it, without shields failing. But anyways, May the 4th be with you! 🖖
Most sources claim the lengths: 19km for the executor, about 10km for the voth City ship; Standard intrepid 344m meaning both ships could store Voyager inside multible Times 😅
Just be glad you didnt pisk the eclipe class ssd . Also all ssd's have back up sheild generatarors so you would hand a problem there. If you are going off of retur of the jedi the ssd " the exutor" was under fire from the combined fire from the rebel fleet specificly ion cannon fire. Also the empire would use the tractor beams to pin the federation ship in place to pound it to pices ( thats impreial s.o.p.. when facing single ships that are hostile ) I obviously didnt mention yhe fighter company that's carried on board (2 wings intercptor t.i.e.,6 sq to 1 wing of bombers t.i.es,3 sq recon,possibly experimental raider types t like the t.i.e. phantom orr hunter used by storm commando units. Then you have the missle ships,gun boats boarding shuttles . Also god hrlp you if you get a dark jedi or sith commanding the ship . The s.s.d. is analgos to a u.s. carrier in a carrier strike group i.e. its never alone. If it is its far more powerful than standard. @RetroBadgerGaming
The way the fight went when you were controlling voyager is how any “realistic” battle between a Star Trek ship and a Star Wars ship would go. I would like to see a tantive vi or an imperial corvette go up against a Daedalus from sg1.
@ it also isn’t realistic that a light frigate would fight a capital ship unsupported. And a fleet of federation ships would be able to devastate a fleet of imperial star destroyers. The tie fighters would not make a difference in a battle against a ship from Star trek. Trek phasers are too accurate, powerful, and rapid firing to allow tie fighters within weapons range. Tie fighters trying to take on a ship from Star Trek would be like a bunch of wwi biplanes trying to take on a modern navy destroyer, if the anti air laser and radar guided missiles somehow miss the Gatling guns will knock them all out of the sky over 100 miles away.
No, those are sensor domes not unlike you see on modern warships. The fallacy of those being shield generators came from the movie dialogue. If you actually think about it the bridge crew didn't realize the deflectors were down until the sensor done was destroyed. They then realized it and that's where the dialogue comes in. That and Voyager wouldn't be able to scratch the paint let alone get through the shields. Star Wars ships are magnitudes more powerful than Star Trek ships.
@@s.patrickmarino7289 I’m not 100 on where it’s sourced from, just something I read that said it was canon, which is why I said supposedly. It’s unfortunate that I cannot 100% confirm, just that coffee of some sort does exist in the Star Wars galaxy
And another case of a ship needing to be rebalanced. Granted, the Executor is more of a match for TNG-era designs due to her _sheer bulk_ and the output of her large reactors, but she's as maneuverable as a brick and her weapons are more akin to Enterprise-era plasma cannons then anything that can one-shot a Galaxy.
Gotta correct you on that, Star wars weapons are closer to a photon torpedo in impact and output rather than a Enterprize era plasma cannon. So imagine a hundred photon torpedo's hitting any Startrek ship and you'll have a pretty good idea of what would happen.
@@taw1967 That may be true, but that doesn't mean it "should" be. The "turbo lasers" should have a custom value that reflects what they would be closer to. Otherwise, these battles are just kinda weird, I get the intent, but the ships don't feel right.
@@Giadea Entertainingly wrong. What are Wars ships made of? Mostly steel and titanium. Trek ships, meanwhile, commonly use tritanium, an element 21 times harder then diamond. Wars shields can't stop projectile weaponry from hitting the hull while Trek shields can. And if that absolutely backward 'hundred photon torpedoes' comment was even remotely true, a single shot would shatter a planet. Yet that never happens and takes _days_ to glass a planet with a lot of help while a TOS-era Connie can do it alone. So you're quite wrong.
@@housecoatgaming Not quite. Wars ships are made of numerous exotic materials, that may share a "name" with their earth counterparts but are far more highly refined and tempered than anything we could hope to make in the next 40,000 years. And as to the shields statement, they are weak to weapons "designed" in their own universe specifically to penetrate them. And if you have ever played KOTOR they glassed Taris in a few hours of orbital bombardment with turbo laser 4000 years older than what we see in the movies. (Sub edit. The thousands of torpedo's comment is in relation to volume of fire, not the power of a single turbo laser.)
Late to the party but there is absolutely no reactor bubble on an Executor class star dreadnought. Guessing bridge commander required a warp core-ish hardpoint so the mod author put one on.
The Warship Voyager held up better to the Executors blaster fire better than I thought it would. Also, is the opera music part of the game, or did you add it?
The ssd should have utilized several squadrons of tie fighters. I'm a fan of both ST and SW, and will stand behind that it comes down to the ship captains and crews when these two face off.
I gotta think that ST phaser and photon torpedo weaponry would just blast huge chunks out of the hulls of unshielded SW warships. Almost every time in these scenarios, ST weaponry is nerfed and the power of SW is made way overpowered - way past anything seen in the actual movies.
You may not understand what you're watching. This is just a bit of fun with mods that are purpose-built NOT to present compatible matchups. Instead, they use the underlying mechanics of Bridge Commander to make, e.g., ships from Star Wars fight other ships from Star Wars. They're not created for Star Wars vs. Star Trek.
So i think the imperial star destroyer is actually more balanced than the super star destroyer in terms of actual power, id love to see them go against each other to prove or disprove my theory.
😲😨oh gosh Admiral.. this is gonna be good.. crikey.. love the voices. '' Rebel Scum', eeh remember that voice.. Sheev Palpatine eehgg.. I just noticed.. the sides of Voyager warship saucer, looks like the Evo.. hmm. ok.. wow.. Now at 2:00 beam over Seven and Drones.. lol 😨oh wow. Warship Voyager just crashed into that flying city and nothing okey dokey.. lol gosh.. Voyager was tough and lasted good.. hmm.. no Photonic cannon. would love to see that.. lol 😳oh my Admiral.. you hmm well kaboomed over 3 parsecs lol. oh wow.. well still got the Death Star but ouch.. lol love the battle and the Super Star Destroyer was giant.. crikey.. loved it. and '' May The Force Be With You.. also '' Live Long And Prosper''!!!😊🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming Yes when I saw the show, I was so confused..lol. and more powerful than the original Voyager hmm.. must be from Mirror Universe ! To bad the Voyager A didn't have the photonic cannon lol.. 😊🖖
People criticize Starfleet for putting their bridge on the outside of the ship, and rightfully so. But Star Wars puts their REACTORS in plain view of the entire enemy fleet with zero armor around them. I think Star Trek wins this squabble of "most idiotic ship design decisions".
First off, Star Wars travel has to use LANES, warp does not... Secondly, an A-Wing fighter, crashed into a Star Destroyer and took out a command bridge, along with the super structure, that was on film.. A photon Torpedo is a physical object, just like the slow moving A-Wing crashing, only the torpedo is faster than an A-Wing and a photon torpedo has at least 32 TIMES more destructive force than a small fighter exploding.. No comparison, Star Wars vessels lose every single time.. Also, Disruptors alone would peel a Star Destroyers hull, like an orange.
This ship can rain down in the Firepower to completely glass the surface for planet I don't care how much Star Trek fantasy science there is Federation ships are not that powerful
There was that time that a flotilla of cardassian ships bombarded a planet and it took them 2 hours to destroy the surface and another 7 to destroy the mantle. 2 hours to strip the crust off of a planet and only about 20ish ships. In TOS it was stated that the enterprise could destroy all life on a planet in a matter of hours. There was also that time in TOS when the enterprise shot and vaporized a mountain in a single phaser blast. Star Trek has significantly better ship feats within the tv series’s than anything Star Wars has in its movies/cartoons.
Could it, though? Warp core breaches are much more powerful than nuclear explosions. That super star destroyer is huge at 1.9km long but well within the area of destruction of even an average nuke. I think a TNG handbook started that a breach near orbit of a planet is an extinction level event.
There are several kilograms or antimatter in the warp core, the breach would reduce the star destroyer to light, heat, and radiation as the matter is annihilated.
I'm so glad I'm a living witness to this battle. Retro Badger should create an interactive exhibit about this!
I see what you did there!
@deepdivedylan Genius 🥇🏆
Thanks for the content RB!
No knock on you at all, but the game WAY understates the fire power on the super star destroyer. When Voyager ran down the side of the ship it should have been continuously fired upon as it came into the field of fire of each of the next in the long line of successive turbo laser batteries down the side of the ship; not the random, slow fire the game allows.
Not really an issue, as these mods are built for encounters between different ships from the same fictional world, which varies depending on the mod. They essentially transform the Bridge Commander mechanics into separate ones as needed for the mod. "Crossovers" like this are just fun-time fooling around.
Voyager purposely crashed into you to crash the game. That's one hell of a way to break the 4th wall. 😛
That's such a Janeway move, ramming the Executor.
@@fraggerfragsolot9285 Executor, your taste in beverages grows even more inexplicable. You should try coffee, black. ☕
@@MisterMarinI understood those references
@@legogonkdroid1839 Attaboy. Only a man of culture and a fine taste understands my references. I will do what I must and make more references. 😉
May the fourth be with you retro my friend 🖖🖖
May the fourth be with you too! Also, Live long and Proser 😂. Hope you're doing well 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming im hanging in there lol. Hope you're doing well......as well 🤣🤪🖖🖖🖖
Executor-Class SSD is definitely bigger that the Voth City Ship. Now the Voth Fortress ship is said to be (134) km from STO.
Considering the Voth city ship BEAMED Voyager inside yeah it's WAY bigger than the Super Star Destroyer.
Loved hearing the voice over of evil Janeway from "Living Witness." One of my favorite Voyager episodes.
When you mentioned the shape of the Super Star Destroyer...it actually reminds me of the delta that Trekyards uses for their channel. Nearly the same. I didn't connect the two until you mentioned it.
I was surprised you were able to destroy Voyager's shield system. That was nuts.
When Voyager was trying to go under you I had a sneaky feeling they were going for the Worf maneuver. Not surprised the game crashed lol.
I laughed so hard when the Death Star took you out with one shot from the planet beams. LOL
I laughed even harder when you destroyed the Death Star but blew up when you went into warp and the game glitching LMAO. I think you won that because you destroyed the Death Star first before you blew up when warping out lol.
The computer had a stroke.
That's my theory as well... the Voth city ship is roughly twice the size of the super star destroyer.
Down goes Solo! =O ty for the video and LLAP!
The first battle you were controlling voyager is how any federation starsip should take on a Star Destroyer if they're smart. Star Destroyers have very few ventral weapons so it's a much safer way to attack one then just wear the sheilds down and stick a torperdo where it really hurts. We have seen something simular in Star Trek before in the battle of Terok Nor in the mirror universe when the ISS Defiant did the same when fighting the Regent's flagship.
Despite how over-powered everything Star Wars seems to be in BC, the SSD seems underpowered: the 'real' one had "over 5,000 turbolasers, including 750 twin heavy turbolaser batteries, and 1000 turret-mounted twin light turbolaser batteries" and "125 assault concussion missile launchers, 100 twin battleship ion cannons and 250 turret-mounted quad laser cannons." (Wookiepedia) The shields also wouldn't fail so quickly, as in RotJ, it took the entire Rebel fleet concentrating their firepower to break the shields, and in legends, one SSD took three ISDs jumping out of lightspeed into it, without shields failing.
But anyways, May the 4th be with you! 🖖
Most sources claim the lengths: 19km for the executor, about 10km for the voth City ship; Standard intrepid 344m meaning both ships could store Voyager inside multible Times 😅
Wow! 19Kms..that’s insane. I wonder how big spacedock is… *checks google* 5.5km by 3.8km. It would appear Star Wars does things much bigger.
Just be glad you didnt pisk the eclipe class ssd .
Also all ssd's have back up sheild generatarors so you would hand a problem there.
If you are going off of retur of the jedi the ssd " the exutor" was under fire from the combined fire from the rebel fleet specificly ion cannon fire.
Also the empire would use the tractor beams to pin the federation ship in place to pound it to pices ( thats impreial s.o.p.. when facing single ships that are hostile )
I obviously didnt mention yhe fighter company that's carried on board (2 wings intercptor t.i.e.,6 sq to 1 wing of bombers t.i.es,3 sq recon,possibly experimental raider types t like the t.i.e. phantom orr hunter used by storm commando units.
Then you have the missle ships,gun boats boarding shuttles .
Also god hrlp you if you get a dark jedi or sith commanding the ship .
The s.s.d. is analgos to a u.s. carrier in a carrier strike group i.e. its never alone.
If it is its far more powerful than standard. @RetroBadgerGaming
The way the fight went when you were controlling voyager is how any “realistic” battle between a Star Trek ship and a Star Wars ship would go.
I would like to see a tantive vi or an imperial corvette go up against a Daedalus from sg1.
It's not "realistic" that a capital shop would be unescorted. And even so, the issd has stored internal tie fighters
@ it also isn’t realistic that a light frigate would fight a capital ship unsupported. And a fleet of federation ships would be able to devastate a fleet of imperial star destroyers.
The tie fighters would not make a difference in a battle against a ship from Star trek. Trek phasers are too accurate, powerful, and rapid firing to allow tie fighters within weapons range.
Tie fighters trying to take on a ship from Star Trek would be like a bunch of wwi biplanes trying to take on a modern navy destroyer, if the anti air laser and radar guided missiles somehow miss the Gatling guns will knock them all out of the sky over 100 miles away.
Hahaha! Voyager firing phasers at the front of your huge city ship... looks like she is firing phasers at space in the distance @3:05
The question is, are the shield generators actually on the bridge tower on that thing?
No, those are sensor domes not unlike you see on modern warships. The fallacy of those being shield generators came from the movie dialogue. If you actually think about it the bridge crew didn't realize the deflectors were down until the sensor done was destroyed. They then realized it and that's where the dialogue comes in. That and Voyager wouldn't be able to scratch the paint let alone get through the shields. Star Wars ships are magnitudes more powerful than Star Trek ships.
It would be nice if you did battles with rebel blockade runner cr90. It's my favorite ship and I'd love to see it take on some federation ships
Cool 👍
I don't think the Empire has coffee.
It supposedly does. Palpatine was said to own farms of high quality coffee plants.
@@crazyquirrels
Was that in cannon or a book?
@@s.patrickmarino7289 I’m not 100 on where it’s sourced from, just something I read that said it was canon, which is why I said supposedly. It’s unfortunate that I cannot 100% confirm, just that coffee of some sort does exist in the Star Wars galaxy
What episode was that when she said that to a apposing ship your going to need something bigger in the torpedo tube lol
@XHunter442 I believe it was "Year of hell part 1". Wow, karma really came back to bite her after that 😂
@@RetroBadgerGaming ill check it out then must see lol
Literally David versus Goliath.
And at the very end some slapstick comedy :P
And another case of a ship needing to be rebalanced.
Granted, the Executor is more of a match for TNG-era designs due to her _sheer bulk_ and the output of her large reactors, but she's as maneuverable as a brick and her weapons are more akin to Enterprise-era plasma cannons then anything that can one-shot a Galaxy.
Gotta correct you on that, Star wars weapons are closer to a photon torpedo in impact and output rather than a Enterprize era plasma cannon. So imagine a hundred photon torpedo's hitting any Startrek ship and you'll have a pretty good idea of what would happen.
@@Giadea But in fact, in game, “turbo lasers” are basically souped up plasma cannon.
@@taw1967 That may be true, but that doesn't mean it "should" be. The "turbo lasers" should have a custom value that reflects what they would be closer to. Otherwise, these battles are just kinda weird, I get the intent, but the ships don't feel right.
@@Giadea Entertainingly wrong.
What are Wars ships made of? Mostly steel and titanium. Trek ships, meanwhile, commonly use tritanium, an element 21 times harder then diamond.
Wars shields can't stop projectile weaponry from hitting the hull while Trek shields can.
And if that absolutely backward 'hundred photon torpedoes' comment was even remotely true, a single shot would shatter a planet. Yet that never happens and takes _days_ to glass a planet with a lot of help while a TOS-era Connie can do it alone.
So you're quite wrong.
@@housecoatgaming Not quite. Wars ships are made of numerous exotic materials, that may share a "name" with their earth counterparts but are far more highly refined and tempered than anything we could hope to make in the next 40,000 years.
And as to the shields statement, they are weak to weapons "designed" in their own universe specifically to penetrate them.
And if you have ever played KOTOR they glassed Taris in a few hours of orbital bombardment with turbo laser 4000 years older than what we see in the movies.
(Sub edit. The thousands of torpedo's comment is in relation to volume of fire, not the power of a single turbo laser.)
Late to the party but there is absolutely no reactor bubble on an Executor class star dreadnought. Guessing bridge commander required a warp core-ish hardpoint so the mod author put one on.
The Warship Voyager held up better to the Executors blaster fire better than I thought it would. Also, is the opera music part of the game, or did you add it?
Yeah, if this was the SSD mod I was thinking of it would annihilate anything in trek short of the 29th/32nd century ships
I added it. Klingon Opera is the best 🤣. It's from Klingon Academy 🖖
Is that the "mythical" ship from Living Witness?
Indeed it is! The closest mirror universe episode we got in voyager 🖖
The Super Star Destroyer is supposed to have like 10000 weapons but the ship once again didn't fire that many.
The ssd should have utilized several squadrons of tie fighters.
I'm a fan of both ST and SW, and will stand behind that it comes down to the ship captains and crews when these two face off.
Revenge of the 5th you could do a Terren empire Fleet vs a combined rebels and empire Star Wars fleet
So that /thing/ can maneuver as quickly & easily as /not/ that thing.....?
How do you get so many Mods?
2:16 "WOP WOP WOP!!!" (c) RBG
An SSD would, of course, have ISD and fighter escort, as would the Death Star. Except I guess these are 1v1.
I gotta think that ST phaser and photon torpedo weaponry would just blast huge chunks out of the hulls of unshielded SW warships.
Almost every time in these scenarios, ST weaponry is nerfed and the power of SW is made way overpowered - way past anything seen in the actual movies.
You may not understand what you're watching. This is just a bit of fun with mods that are purpose-built NOT to present compatible matchups. Instead, they use the underlying mechanics of Bridge Commander to make, e.g., ships from Star Wars fight other ships from Star Wars. They're not created for Star Wars vs. Star Trek.
The star destroyer is a carrier, so that should be part of the simulation.
So i think the imperial star destroyer is actually more balanced than the super star destroyer in terms of actual power, id love to see them go against each other to prove or disprove my theory.
Te Empire loves it triangle ships.
warp in beam torpedo into hyper matter reactor chamber before they know what hit him
Put Voyager up against the rebel fleet from rotj
😲😨oh gosh Admiral.. this is gonna be good.. crikey.. love the voices. '' Rebel Scum', eeh remember that voice.. Sheev Palpatine eehgg.. I just noticed.. the sides of Voyager warship saucer, looks like the Evo.. hmm. ok.. wow.. Now at 2:00 beam over Seven and Drones.. lol 😨oh wow. Warship Voyager just crashed into that flying city and nothing okey dokey.. lol gosh.. Voyager was tough and lasted good.. hmm.. no Photonic cannon. would love to see that.. lol 😳oh my Admiral.. you hmm well kaboomed over 3 parsecs lol. oh wow.. well still got the Death Star but ouch.. lol love the battle and the Super Star Destroyer was giant.. crikey.. loved it. and '' May The Force Be With You.. also '' Live Long And Prosper''!!!😊🖖
The Warship Voyager is a serious machine. Even the fear of it would strike terror into people I think. It belongs in the Mirror Universe. 🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming Yes when I saw the show, I was so confused..lol. and more powerful than the original Voyager hmm.. must be from Mirror Universe ! To bad the Voyager A didn't have the photonic cannon lol.. 😊🖖
Voyager was going for the reactor core but crashed instead.
Hmmm, one of those exogal destroyers might have had an easier time..... KIDDING
wheres the photonic cannon
For the ultimate in terror, some intrepid modder should design an assimilated Super Star Destroyer.
WOW. That would be a sight! 🖖
Voth city ship is 1/2 the size
People criticize Starfleet for putting their bridge on the outside of the ship, and rightfully so. But Star Wars puts their REACTORS in plain view of the entire enemy fleet with zero armor around them. I think Star Trek wins this squabble of "most idiotic ship design decisions".
Empire, first order, always with the ONE GLARING WEAK SPOT!!
"Impressive."
You missed the opportunity for a "Most impressive!"
Would have been perfect. Ah well....
The Voyager would win easily.
Only an AI would be stupid enough to ram a ship, that is many times its own size 😂🖖
Star destroyers are tactically inferior even to an NX class.
Nah, the nx class didn’t have shields and simply don’t have the mass to stand up to the turbo laser fire. TOS enterprise onwards would solo any ISD.
First off, Star Wars travel has to use LANES, warp does not... Secondly, an A-Wing fighter, crashed into a Star Destroyer and took out a command bridge, along with the super structure, that was on film.. A photon Torpedo is a physical object, just like the slow moving A-Wing crashing, only the torpedo is faster than an A-Wing and a photon torpedo has at least 32 TIMES more destructive force than a small fighter exploding.. No comparison, Star Wars vessels lose every single time.. Also, Disruptors alone would peel a Star Destroyers hull, like an orange.
You are obviously not a Star Wars fan and you know nothing about star destroyers... especially super star destroyers...
This ship can rain down in the Firepower to completely glass the surface for planet I don't care how much Star Trek fantasy science there is Federation ships are not that powerful
There was that time that a flotilla of cardassian ships bombarded a planet and it took them 2 hours to destroy the surface and another 7 to destroy the mantle. 2 hours to strip the crust off of a planet and only about 20ish ships. In TOS it was stated that the enterprise could destroy all life on a planet in a matter of hours. There was also that time in TOS when the enterprise shot and vaporized a mountain in a single phaser blast. Star Trek has significantly better ship feats within the tv series’s than anything Star Wars has in its movies/cartoons.
An ssd can run through voyager and not get destroyed by the warpcore breach.....
What about NVMe? 😉
Could it, though? Warp core breaches are much more powerful than nuclear explosions. That super star destroyer is huge at 1.9km long but well within the area of destruction of even an average nuke. I think a TNG handbook started that a breach near orbit of a planet is an extinction level event.
@@bluehydro88 Does that apply to nuclear vessels too? 😁
There are several kilograms or antimatter in the warp core, the breach would reduce the star destroyer to light, heat, and radiation as the matter is annihilated.
@@kellyevans3254along with 1000s of tons of antimatter in the storage pods