the 2nd i can believe kuz of the machining that would require but the first being the cheapo round of the 20mm and the 2nd looking like a tungsten dowel covered in plastic? Very expensive.
cool vid. would have been interesting to see how the SAPHEI round would have behaved, but those are hard to come by. also would have been interesting to see more safes and see how many the tungsten would have penetrated in the regular safe orientation vs the others.
My guess is that the second bullet isn’t super hot because it wasn’t deformed as much as the first one. And it probably stayed mostly centred and so didn’t have as much “rubbing” and thus friction to generate heat. The first bullet tumbled and ended up going through some of those safes sideways.
in the 5:27 u asked why the bullet isnt super hot. Its not cus what makes it warm is, mainly, the metal deformation on the bullet itself. Hitting the walls of the safes dont make that difference than bending the metal. One example of this is when u pick up a copper wire and start to moving back and foward, it will first get hot, till it breaks
+Chris Albrecht what the hell are you doing? This guy, who is obviously not a native English speaker, is asking a simple question. Not only do you use (well, misuse) a lot of large words in your response, what you're saying is WRONG! Bullet deformation has a LOT to do with creating heat. Deformation takes energy, and the energy put into deforming the projectile comes out as HEAT. +Nicolas Piano, the correct answer is that the bullet is hot for three reasons. First, it was launched out of the gun by something really damn hot, burning gunpowder! Second, there is a lot of friction between the bullet and the barrel. Third, the bullet hit steel and deformed (or bent all to shit).
nice, thanx, indeed, i m not a native english speaker, i m a brazilian whom learned from reading, playing games and watching yt videos. Thanx for the response, i was kinda right after all :)
why it's not hot? Metal gets hot only when it deforms quickly. The bullet was intact and not deformed, that's why it wasn't hot. Also the higher the metal density, the less deformation it has to have to generate heat. In other words .. a lead bullet would have to deform completely to get really hot, while a tungsten round would have to deform only a little bit to achieve same heat as the lead bullet.
Second one wasn't that hot probably because it didn't undergo much plastic deformation. Lots of heat builds up from internal friction if the round flattens out or gets smashed. Twist a coat hanger a bunch when it's soft and you'll notice similar heating.
if it's a large cube, the bullet will probably ricochet away, if it's a small cube, I don't know what will happen. tungsten is really heavy and hard, tungsten vs high speed tungsten will probably be marvelous thing to see in slomo.
The tungsten round didn't go as far as the others because they turned the safes around and shot it right through the part in each safe where all the mass is which is the door behind the electronics. The first two were shot through the top and bottom which is just sheet metal.If that tungsten round was shot through the same bottom and top as the first two it would have cleared all of them easily.
The hard part of the projectile doesn't heat up much because it doesn't go through much deformation (being hard that is). The soft part deforms and it's kinetic energy is transformed into thermal, making it hot. It's 8th grade physics.
Next...if you haven't already...find an old ATM machine and load it full of paper to simulate the money, then shoot it with that 20 mm rifle you have in this video.
timmy if you are going to shoot batteries you need to shoot lipo ( lithium polymer) batteries they burn and pop and explode!! I have had to dispose of some I have for my rc car
5:30 Because there is not deformation at all. Because of course black tip made up of much harder material. And because if stay pointy till the end it has to bear less friction.
The Phalanx CIWS is basically a self-targetting Vulcan canon with a lot of ammunition on hand! I would like to see Edwin shoot a 30mm depleted uranium Avenger round from something that could handle it! The cartridges themselves are monstrous to hold--they look like miniaturized artillery rounds.
Lol you are misinformed. Those (are not) the 20x102mm Vulcan rounds like what you are thinking. Those are 20x110mm Hispano rounds that they were shooting. The red tip Mk244 Phalanx APDS Tungsten is from the 20x102mm Vulcan most likely correct, but they were shooting the 20x110mm Hispano cartridges.
These 20mm ones are awesome. Also it’s not hot because the impact doesn’t heat the metal. The deformation does. Bullets that are hard enough to not deform much don’t get as hot, is my understanding.
5:41 it is not hot, because the bullet didn't deform, unlike the other one. the heat of the bullet is not from the piercing through the material, but from the kinetic energy of the bullet itself that is transformed into deformation and thus heat. ofcourse, there is also a "bit" of heat from the fireing (hot gases and friction in the barrel) and penetration through material, but primary, the heat is from the deformation.
The bullet that was not hot was not deformed. The deformation is what generates the heat. You can forge steel and it keeps glowing red just from changing the form (if the piece is big enough)
could you please shoot the tracer round and the practice round through the safe doors too just to get an idea of how much of a difference there is between the different rounds just so they each have the same amount of density to go through
Guys, we need real-world scenarios on how 20mm or 50BMG can go through bricks in house or building. This will prove whether you can hide behind walls in a war scenario. Build a wall out of bricks (not cinder blocks) and upgrade and go through all the Calibers and see the penetrating power. Start with .22 then upgrade through all the rounds. Pay a contractor to build a real house wall. Thanks
Dude that's cool. I can't believe the black tip looks good to go thru all them wow glad your keeping it that's crazy. I'm writing before the red so can't weight to see what that does. Man what holes they make. Damn I love slow motion. If you watch the first shot you can see the bullet go thru the 4th into the 5th I think. But yea you see it go thru so cool. Now the last shot damn that's so crazy watching it in slow mo. Love them shells. How much bigger is the 20 and the 50 shells. They look close in size but haven't seen them side by side yet. Well good vidoe be carful storing your stuff in them safes it may fall out. Lol. Good vidoe thanks and God bless
I know this is an old video and you probably won’t read this but an ove glove might be useful if you’re going to pick up hot bullets. One of the few tv products that works pretty good.
Edwin: "chhdfki jhfd jte Tungsten vcffhbuu caught hgftuz safes gghhvtz catch hgdrhj" Wind: "Welcome to my channel, don't pay attention to the guys who talking"
if that armor piercing one was copper jacketed than the reason why it isn't hot is because the jacket took most of the heat away from the armor piercing alloy
What is this channel? No "like and subscribe" at the beginning? No 5 mins of BS before getting to the point? Straight to what people came here to see? No clickbait? Is this even allowed!? Well i guess i WILL like and sub.
really enjoyed this one dude i was about to say you should turn the safes so that the door was facing you for the phalanx gun round so it would be thicker but u read my mind haha,
+Edwin Sarkissian oh nice, have you ever been over here before? if you haven't then you should take the time to come over here because i know you are into guns cause that's kinda obvious haha but if you are into hunting too its worth coming over here in the hunting season to catch your self a nice big stagg, one thing that really sucks over here tho is our firearms laws haha and my governments looking to tighten them up even more and it bloody sucks haha.
5:54
_"Let's just add it to be _*_safe_*_"_
*badum tss*
I'll tell you the difference between each round. $45, $150, and $250. Thanks Mark you are awesome.
the 2nd i can believe kuz of the machining that would require but the first being the cheapo round of the 20mm and the 2nd looking like a tungsten dowel covered in plastic? Very expensive.
Where did these rounds originate from? I'm guessing they were used as AA or used in aircraft
Nathaniel West apaches use these rounds and sum jet fighters like the f/18
@John Bravo it’s a joke. Ammo isn’t that expensive.
@John Bravo those are specialty rounds though and still extremely expensive. In bulk about 1/4 of those prices but individually close to half.
20MM VS Tank!
ItsEpicXD whos paying for the damaged tank?
alon wai The Mexicans
20MM VS ANIMALS
Wall Hacks no proof
ItsEpicXD
I like Mark's T-SHIRT logo...
" Rules for Dating
My Daughter...
Don't"....Hahahahha...👌🏻👌🏻
not sure that is the wisest approach
I always wondered how douches who wear such "funny" shirts look like now i know.
I like Mark.
I'm glad to see you have as much fun shooting stuff as I do watching, nice video Edwin.
+66lwmorgan thank u
cool vid. would have been interesting to see how the SAPHEI round would have behaved, but those are hard to come by. also would have been interesting to see more safes and see how many the tungsten would have penetrated in the regular safe orientation vs the others.
My guess is that the second bullet isn’t super hot because it wasn’t deformed as much as the first one. And it probably stayed mostly centred and so didn’t have as much “rubbing” and thus friction to generate heat. The first bullet tumbled and ended up going through some of those safes sideways.
The reason why it not super hot is probably due to the hardness of tungsten core. Less deformation hence less heat generated.
in the 5:27 u asked why the bullet isnt super hot. Its not cus what makes it warm is, mainly, the metal deformation on the bullet itself. Hitting the walls of the safes dont make that difference than bending the metal. One example of this is when u pick up a copper wire and start to moving back and foward, it will first get hot, till it breaks
+Nícolas Piano looks like mark answered it lol 😂
thanx, i hope i made it clear, my english sucks
what about the friction applied when the projectile shrinks itself?
+Chris Albrecht what the hell are you doing? This guy, who is obviously not a native English speaker, is asking a simple question. Not only do you use (well, misuse) a lot of large words in your response, what you're saying is WRONG! Bullet deformation has a LOT to do with creating heat. Deformation takes energy, and the energy put into deforming the projectile comes out as HEAT.
+Nicolas Piano, the correct answer is that the bullet is hot for three reasons. First, it was launched out of the gun by something really damn hot, burning gunpowder! Second, there is a lot of friction between the bullet and the barrel. Third, the bullet hit steel and deformed (or bent all to shit).
nice, thanx, indeed, i m not a native english speaker, i m a brazilian whom learned from reading, playing games and watching yt videos. Thanx for the response, i was kinda right after all :)
I came for the 20mm. I stayed to watch grown men burn their fingers.
these 20mm vids are awesome edwin.. what's the maximum range of the cannon?
cheers mate
Good read
Can you get a wind mic already!
Yes please 😁
@@atharvapallikulam9743 thanks :)
The red one looks like a HEAT round
why it's not hot? Metal gets hot only when it deforms quickly. The bullet was intact and not deformed, that's why it wasn't hot. Also the higher the metal density, the less deformation it has to have to generate heat. In other words .. a lead bullet would have to deform completely to get really hot, while a tungsten round would have to deform only a little bit to achieve same heat as the lead bullet.
The simpleist things just amaze us, don't they. 😆
+Frank S 😎😎😎
Second one wasn't that hot probably because it didn't undergo much plastic deformation. Lots of heat builds up from internal friction if the round flattens out or gets smashed. Twist a coat hanger a bunch when it's soft and you'll notice similar heating.
Hey Edwin. Love the videos, but please get some windscreens for your camera.
Im loving the videos man keep it up
20mm vs one of those high quality safes, the really thicc walled ones
So funny to hear Mark mocking you out about picking up hot spent rounds! Mark with his machinist hands and you with your accountant hands! 😅
9:31 The tungsten round was like "lemme get a number nine"
20mm vs tungsten cube!!!
Unless it's a large cube, it may fly away.
if it's a large cube, the bullet will probably ricochet away, if it's a small cube, I don't know what will happen. tungsten is really heavy and hard, tungsten vs high speed tungsten will probably be marvelous thing to see in slomo.
Shoot it at night so we can see the tracer.
ya exactly eh? he always does that
Go watch fps russia for some great tracer footage
I am already tracer
Mark Serbu seems like a super cool dude
Love marks shirt!! "What ever you do to my daughter I will do to you!" and in marks case it involves a 20 mm bullet! LOLOLOL!!
Uh yeah lets hope he won't do to his daughter what i will do to her
Hahahahaha
50ft long block of ballistic gel vs 20mm.
The tungsten round didn't go as far as the others because they turned the safes around and shot it right through the part in each safe where all the mass is which is the door behind the electronics. The first two were shot through the top and bottom which is just sheet metal.If that tungsten round was shot through the same bottom and top as the first two it would have cleared all of them easily.
If I could and had the time I would watch your videos all day
The hard part of the projectile doesn't heat up much because it doesn't go through much deformation (being hard that is). The soft part deforms and it's kinetic energy is transformed into thermal, making it hot. It's 8th grade physics.
Next...if you haven't already...find an old ATM machine and load it full of paper to simulate the money, then shoot it with that 20 mm rifle you have in this video.
Wish u had proper slow mo guys camera..
If they could manage to borrow one they should 100% redo this
You added the 8th just to be safe... with a straight face! Oh the 9th, still, flew over everyone’s head
Super interesting and a little humorous . Thnx guys!
Shoot car batteries with a .50 cal or a 20mm (like so he sees!!)
timmy It wouldn't do much the lead would just catch the bullet
timmy if you are going to shoot batteries you need to shoot lipo ( lithium polymer) batteries they burn and pop and explode!! I have had to dispose of some I have for my rc car
Good idea! I'm going to save all my old dead lipos now for this! Bummer I've gotten rid of so many already!
а собирать мусор кто будет?
I want to see him shooting road roller wheel with 20mm
"Added a safe to be safe"........that checks out.
Holy shades of Thunderbolt and Lightfoot!
@@ghost500e I was thinking of the film as I watched the video!
Thanks Edwin and Mark for the excellent video. Looks like real fun stuff.
Serbs arms are boss! I was inspired to buy every big bore that I could afford which now includes HIS stuff!
those safes look like they were made out of tin when the bullet went through them.
Those are for storing weapons, I think? There's no requirement for anything more than that.
Check out wind suppression for the camera.
Hell yeah the 20mm vids are back lol Love these videos brother man Keep them coming and God bless
Wow! After watching this I think everyone needs a 20mm for home defense! 😂
U guys are the BEST RUclipsrs EVER. ❤️🤘✌️👊😀
finaly you guys recovered the bullets.
On our Vulcans the 20MM ammo was electronically primed. How does the firing system on your cannon work?
I love Mark's t-shirt XD "Rules for dating my daughter"
5:30
Because there is not deformation at all.
Because of course black tip made up of much harder material.
And because if stay pointy till the end it has to bear less friction.
How about investing in a wind filter for your microphone?
The Phalanx CIWS is basically a self-targetting Vulcan canon with a lot of ammunition on hand! I would like to see Edwin shoot a 30mm depleted uranium Avenger round from something that could handle it! The cartridges themselves are monstrous to hold--they look like miniaturized artillery rounds.
Lol you are misinformed. Those (are not) the 20x102mm Vulcan rounds like what you are thinking. Those are 20x110mm Hispano rounds that they were shooting.
The red tip Mk244 Phalanx APDS Tungsten is from the 20x102mm Vulcan most likely correct, but they were shooting the 20x110mm Hispano cartridges.
These 20mm ones are awesome.
Also it’s not hot because the impact doesn’t heat the metal. The deformation does. Bullets that are hard enough to not deform much don’t get as hot, is my understanding.
Best gun firing channel 👍🏻
I love how much fun you guys are having!
5:41 it is not hot, because the bullet didn't deform, unlike the other one. the heat of the bullet is not from the piercing through the material, but from the kinetic energy of the bullet itself that is transformed into deformation and thus heat. ofcourse, there is also a "bit" of heat from the fireing (hot gases and friction in the barrel) and penetration through material, but primary, the heat is from the deformation.
Thanks Mark, great video Edwin, can wait to leave California and get a Serbu 50 BMG!
The bullet that was not hot was not deformed. The deformation is what generates the heat. You can forge steel and it keeps glowing red just from changing the form (if the piece is big enough)
Super neat vid Edwin. Lots of fun. Thanks for posting.
+Gipstetz thank u for watching 😊
"Let's just add it to be safe"
could you please shoot the tracer round and the practice round through the safe doors too just to get an idea of how much of a difference there is between the different rounds just so they each have the same amount of density to go through
How to properly break in a millionaire's safe: JUST GET A 20MM RIFLE WITH YOU! YEAH!
that's a 50 dollar safe lol
Me: trying to ace a 1v3 in Apex.
My friends in my headset: 6:35.
Hey Edwin!!! You seem to never run out of ideas.
Guys, we need real-world scenarios on how 20mm or 50BMG can go through bricks in house or building. This will prove whether you can hide behind walls in a war scenario. Build a wall out of bricks (not cinder blocks) and upgrade and go through all the Calibers and see the penetrating power. Start with .22 then upgrade through all the rounds. Pay a contractor to build a real house wall. Thanks
Now THIS is some good 1080p quality. Too many people on youtube uploading questionable "FHD" videos.
if you are wondering why the second bullet core was not hot. because it didn't deform being a harder material.
as in
- no internal bending = no heat
Awesome video. I found you thru Danny and he was talking about the 50 Cal shells u sent him . Pretty awesome , I like the videos keep them coming
tungsten slugs not hot because that metal conducts heat so much more efficiently than the steel aluminum.
You get hit with that your definitely losing a limb if you even survive
You need to invest in some heavy duty wind guards for your microphones or maybe even some lav. mics with a wind cover for you and mark to wear.
Armor piercing round wasn't hot because it didn't deform. The rapid deformation of the first round is what created the heat.
Interesting that during WW2 no operational single-engine US american fighter used 20mm cannons. Only the twin-engine Lockheed P-38 Lightning did.
Very cool vid. Don’t see a lot of people farting around with 20 mm stuff. Wish the wind wasn’t so strong.
Dude that's cool. I can't believe the black tip looks good to go thru all them wow glad your keeping it that's crazy. I'm writing before the red so can't weight to see what that does. Man what holes they make. Damn I love slow motion. If you watch the first shot you can see the bullet go thru the 4th into the 5th I think. But yea you see it go thru so cool. Now the last shot damn that's so crazy watching it in slow mo. Love them shells. How much bigger is the 20 and the 50 shells. They look close in size but haven't seen them side by side yet. Well good vidoe be carful storing your stuff in them safes it may fall out. Lol. Good vidoe thanks and God bless
Thanks for showing me how cheap these particular brand of safes are.
**I do not want one of those safes!**
AMAZING 20MM POWER
Hay u should do that again but all them filled with paper YEAAAAAAHHHHHH 😏😎😎😎
I know this is an old video and you probably won’t read this but an ove glove might be useful if you’re going to pick up hot bullets. One of the few tv products that works pretty good.
The AP wasn't super hot because it didn't deform a lot. The heat is generated when the metal gets bent during penetration.
Yet another great vid I do love that 20mm
Back with safes again!!!!!!!
Edwin: "chhdfki jhfd jte Tungsten vcffhbuu caught hgftuz safes gghhvtz catch hgdrhj"
Wind: "Welcome to my channel, don't pay attention to the guys who talking"
Is he the guy who designed the 50bmg
Need to see if you can find some depleted uranium rounds and test them against some heavier safes
you guys should built a space armor array and test it like that.
I like these 20mm videos. Can you post one of an Anzio 20mm Takedown rifle?
you really need to bring some pliers with you
You need to do a video with the slow mo guy with the 20mm and the 50 bmg
Projectiles (bullets) heat up when they deform! Friction baby!!
Soo windy there nice video
Tungsten is a metal used for high pressure and high temperature that's why it didn't absorb very much heat
if that armor piercing one was copper jacketed than the reason why it isn't hot is because the jacket took most of the heat away from the armor piercing alloy
You should use the 50 cal incendiary round on paper to see if it catches fire
Edwin, you need to get a windscreen for your microphone. I enjoy your videos! Thank you!
best burnt fingers yet!!!!
If that is a factory load, the Mk244 cartridge has 33% more propellant than the PGU-27 and the M50-series cartridges!
Reason why the AP wasn't hot was because of the material type. The metal used is low or super low conductive.
What is this channel? No "like and subscribe" at the beginning? No 5 mins of BS before getting to the point? Straight to what people came here to see? No clickbait? Is this even allowed!? Well i guess i WILL like and sub.
I agree with Mark Serbu's shirt
really enjoyed this one dude i was about to say you should turn the safes so that the door was facing you for the phalanx gun round so it would be thicker but u read my mind haha,
+johnathan van voornveld lol thanks
bet you havent spoken to someone from little old new zealand before :D
+Edwin Sarkissian bet you havent spoken to someone from little old new zealand before :D*
+johnathan van voornveld I have friends there
+Edwin Sarkissian oh nice, have you ever been over here before? if you haven't then you should take the time to come over here because i know you are into guns cause that's kinda obvious haha but if you are into hunting too its worth coming over here in the hunting season to catch your self a nice big stagg, one thing that really sucks over here tho is our firearms laws haha and my governments looking to tighten them up even more and it bloody sucks haha.
There's more wind noise than I make after I have eaten a curry
Try a Quigley Down Under bucket shot... a ball round will do....