You don't need to know all the work that goes on in a resturants kitchen, to know that somthing is seriously wrong when some a-holes turd is floating around in your soup.
Yeah, it always bugs me when people use that comparison to try and squash complaints. Like, I don't need to know how to cook good food to know when it tastes like shit. Or is MADE of shit.
the fact that they worked so hard on something and it still ended up being terrible only makes them seem like they are even more incompetent. especially when you can get food that is just as good for 1/4 the price down the street.
Not just Bethesda. In the last year, most studios have been puting the blame on the gamers for any bad sale numbers. One of those studio that didn't do that was CDPR with Cyberpunk. They took 2 years and almost reprogrammed the whole game to finally make it a success. It may be the last good game they will ever do but nevertheless, this is how you're supposed to react when your customers tell you 'its not good".
There is no problem with Bethesda formula of "open world full of interesting content". Starfield failed because it doesn't employ it. And the first signs of the problems was... the Radiant Quest system which procedurally made repetitive, boring fetch quests. Sounds familiar?
This and the radiant quests are better than most of the others. Who have you listen to tons of boring dialogue about things you dont care about while following an npc. At least some radiant quests had action lol
It's not even a question of open world, in truth it's secondary. It's simply that Bethesda doesn't want to make RPGs anymore. THE primary strength of the Elder Scrolls was the progression system and the ultra sandbox and permissive builds, hence the great love of players towards Morrowind which offered the most stupid and fun builds (even if Oblivion goes even further since the NPCs live and move unlike those of Morrowind allowing to try even cooler builds). you can do a full village build and never leave a village and still be max level. that was the strength of the Elder Scrolls.
What's gonna happen: >ES6 releases >Same combat as Skyrim with small tweaks >Improved Starfield Graphics >Worse writing >Hero is Swordborn or some shit >Gotta save the world from a big baddie >Main quest doesn't affect the world at all >No choices affect the world >Lore shitted on >Average Bethesda type game > 7/10 >People buy it a ton due to Bethesda hype >Massively liked despite glaring flaws and dated gameplay >Just gotta put in 12 hours and it'll be fun bro, trust >4 months later everyone calls it shit >Reviewers regret their high praise and rating >Bethesda ignores Criticism, and makes a ton of money from the hype >Emil pats himself on the back good job, and is made game director >Todd retires smiling at the sunset, knowing he just did his last big swindle and the idiots bought his hype
@@KR-tk8fe Words cannot describe how much I wish you was wrong but know you're right. Though a tweak would be "just gotta put in 36 hours bro" cause wasnt that the cope for Starfield? I just hope somehow, some way the game flops and thwy get shitall money.
Hope they at least stop with the fake loading screens, I'm not sure people will just blindly buy the game though, we are getting more and more cautious, especially when it comes to triple fail studios
It's funny becuse I've said that Bethesda has been failing ever since 2011 as I was no big fan of the game (great with mods though), and after Fallout 4 it was clear they could still make an open world game but lacked the depth, writing and sense of theme to make such a game overall great.
The company died the moment they decided to use Elder Scrolls VI's development cycle for an MMO that nobody wanted or asked for. All the goodwill for the company that Fallout/TES fans had for them dried up like bread in a toaster when they announced Fallout 76. They forgot what made them popular. They forgot what made them successful.
They cut very little from their games. Then why were skyrims guild quests short and so damn disjointed? You went from a novice to arch mage in a handful of quests. It had no effect on the world whatsoever. Not even a voice line outside of the college. Skyrim is almost more overrated than oblivion.
@@TheRationalist. oblivion is better than skyrim. Skyrim is babys first action game. Skyrim is only popular because kids like you will buy anything with a dragon on it. Realize too that game of thrones was a big selling point as why people bought it. "OUUUU IT HAS DRAGON IN IT?" then here come the droves of kids that have no idea what a ES game is telling us its the greatest one. No. it had the best graphics and worst gameplay of all of them.
Microsoft is part of the problem. Not the solution. They've never had competent leadership to right the ship. They need to bring back Peter Moore and promote Rod Fergusson.
@@rickgear2579 fuck Rod under his leadership he allowed gears of war to become a shadow of its former self. now with hi gone e-day is the franchises only chance to revive. Peter Moore coming back would be a good thing I will agree on that part
Pete Hines once said “enjoy your disappointment” to an annoyed fan who was tired of the extremely long wait for Bethesda to release Starfield. It seems this has since become the official motto of Bethesda.
The Wayward Relams sounds substantially more promising than ES6 based on what footage and info we have for The Wayward Realms vs Bethesda's recent history
You’re correct, however shitting on it makes money and Bethesda broke my little heart with Starfield so I will watch all the break up videos to make myself feel better. So I’m here for the hate.
If Emil writes the next Elder Scrolls it will be bad, it's really that simple. They can fix it now, or they can watch as hundreds of their coworkers lose their jobs a few months after release.
@@prismaticbeetle3194 They set up a feedback loop where they praise and reward themselves for their shitty writing. Until they stop huffing farts it won't go anywhere.
@@Vityaz-of-Rus Bethesda writers aren't allowed to criticize others writing so if someone comes up with a bad idea, they can't say no. At that point it's the lead who has to take responsibility and say "no, this is a bad idea" but the lead is Emil and so therein lies the problem.
@@snowbunnie1113 They should've thought about how they did Morrowind, and just make Starfield around that idea, handcrafted world with make 2 to 3 planets and limit loading screens. There are space sims out there made by a sole developer that has seemless planet entry and exit. very limited loading screens. working with less resources than Bethesda.. AAA industry in general has just been disappointing this decade. This really isn't just a Bethesda problem. Despite the industry issues, there have been some great titles. Just Bethesda isn't coming out on top in this one.
i cant wait for TES6, all the missiing and dumbed down features, the retcon of huge pieces of lore, the jank and bugs of a creation engine ""3"", a huge empty world to fill with a bad building system and generic npcs with a single line of dialogue, nothing to replace the radiant ai so npcs just wander back and forth in a single area, cities that you've heard so much about that are supposed to be big and important but in game its just 3 shacks and 1 bigger shack for the king, i cant wait!
"TES 6 will disappoint" Yeah I think we've known that for a couple years at this point. A decade, even. You know what they say... hope dies last. But it dies.
Pretty sure the hope died when Bethesda decided to start defending why there game is bad before they even got into the thick of creating it. It's like a president on his inauguration speech saying "I know these next 4 years will likely be tough under my leadership, I may ruine the American dream, and I may even start several preventable wars... Thank you for your time"
Also cute when people who hated Starfield will still pre-order Elder Scrolls 6 and act surprised. Just wait. We'll get all these RUclipsrs doing "intelligent video essays" on how they were dissapointed are with Elder Scrolls 6. There's a subset of gamers who will just refuse to take responsibility for their own purchases. "Bethesda hasn't made a good game since Skyrim / Oblivion / Morrowind" and they will keep pre-ordering and acting surprised.
@@MinecraftMartin Because despite the downward spiral, the predecessor games are still so popular/loved by the fanbase that they still elicit HOPE for the next title, despite Bethesda having only put out trash in recent years.
TBH bethesda should clean house and hire modders to come in and redesign everything. Obviously the modders are doing something right, because they are the reason why Bethesda as a company is still relevant
"We cut very little from our games" The awesome windowed UI of Morrowind? The dialogue options that branched out? Disposition persuasion with NPC's? Multiple immersive ways to travel? Levitation? Mark and Recall? Detect enchantment? Divine/Almsivi Intervention? Spears, pikes, javelins, throwing stars, shurikens, etc? Alchemical tools that you could find throughout the world, carry around with you and mix and match to create varying levels of potions and poisons? Actually having to refer back to your journal or talk to NPC's to learn about locations, lore and leads?
'Says Elder Scrolls 6 WILL Disappoint' yeah I already figured that with how Bethesda has been treating Starfield's reception. Like being that clearly out of touch spells nothing good for the future.
The EGOS of these men, not just Todd Howard...That they assume they KNOW what players want, when its a slap in the face. We're smarter than your Marketing Speak, Bruce Nesmith. We simply have higher standards as gamers these days.
The biggest issues with Starfield have nothing to do with the Creation Engine. No game engine in the world can fix boring dialog, who gives a crap characters, and a made for TV storyline.
@@UmmerFarooq-wx4yo For one thing, not give every companion the same personality. Cut the tutorial down to not be multiple hours. Not make the POIs copy pastes of the same 4 structures. Stop making damn near every NPC essential. Don't make planetary exploration a chore with no reward. Introduce the revolutionary concept of choices and consequences to the quests in your "rpg". Make skills actually change your gameplay instead of just make numbers go up. Actually do something interesting with the time loop NG+ concept instead of use it for lazy one-off bits like "Oh now this character is a potted plant isn't that strange". Give the Starborn some actual motivation. Don't repackage base game content into DLC ( shattered space is very clearly cut content from the base game). Actually explore the ideas of the setting they created (the war, limited expansion, the pirates, the giving up on space exploration, the tension between factions based on resource limitations imposed by said expansion ban, the fact that humanity seems to be alone in the universe and the implications of that, etc.) instead of just using it as a backdrop. Have missions that are more than walking through a dungeon shooting everyone or fetch quests. There's a few things for you.
@@UmmerFarooq-wx4yoAll of it. Take the whole game, throw it in the trash. Start from scratch. Play Mass Effect and Kotor. Watch Star Trek and Star Wars. Watch Stargate. Learn to write a decent story, then learn to write characters, then learn to write space battles. Now try again
Yeah, this stupid notion about the engine is just trying add length to this video about nothing. He has to go through the checklist of grievances and the "engine" issue which ISNT AN ISSUE especially considering its that same engine that manages to keep those games relevant. No one plays TW3 anymore, yet MANY PEOPLE PLAY Skyrim. It's not because Skyrim is a fundamentally better game, its just the engine allows for so many mods.
The story may be boring but without the restrictions of the Creation Engine, they could have made much more fun and fast paced combat with far better visuals and space combat. But yes the story would still blow.
@@piratekingthaszar7912 But they never will. Get over that already. Games haven't released to work as intended for many years now. Deal with the fact that modders are an integral part of gaming today.
Gentle reminder that Fallout isn’t even a Bethesda IP. It was an acquisition from interplay. New Vegas isn’t a Bethesda game. It was made by Tim Cains team at obsidian. Tim Cain made the original Fallout at Interplay. It shouldn’t even be in their “top three”. In my mind Elder Scolls is their only good IP at this point - and they fumbled that one hard.
I am re-playing "Fallout 4" there is still game breaking bugs that have not been fixed for 8 years!! ( Independence Castle Radio Glitch, and Mechnaist Lair Progress) that is a perfect example of how incompetent Bethesda is and that there IPs would be better handle fully by someone else who cares about fixing problems.
Ya know oddly enough, running the Xbox One version on Series X fixed a lot of those issues for me. But then they had to go and 'optimize' it for Series S/X and while the game looks a lot nicer, really all it did was break shit again. 😂 😂 😂
ohh we know bro. Slyrim is 13 years old rereleased over and over and its still a buggy mess. they wont even have the respect to add the unofficial patch into it.
They still haven't even fixed the radiant quests in skyrim or 4 sending you to dlc areas. Mods for that were made almost immediately. They're just lazy imo.
I have zero faith in Elder Scrolls 6 or anything Bethesda decides to shit out. This company has shown that not only are they not going to change and improve their writing and gameplay style but they straight up refuse to change. Emil and Todd don’t care that most people hate Starfield. As long as they have a few loyal shills they’re happy enough.
Yeah this company and so many other "AAA" companies. I feel like another 5-10 years and there won't be a single AAA games company that'd be worth keeping an eye on. Weird how clueless they are. But I guess that's what you get when you get rid of "from gamers to gamers" and instead put together a bunch of suits with DEI consultants and psychologists to try and make games.
Exactly. I'm not expecting anything, good or bad, from it. I'm pacient and we'll see when we get there. Anything before that is rumour and speculation from my point of view and I'll only look at the finished game to decide whether or not to buy. If it's good fine, if it's not good also fine.
I want them to cancel it. TES should end on a high note. Not become this bland, outdated, utterly boring and play-it-safe-woke trash that was Starfield. And make no mistake, TES6 WILL be Starfield, but in Tamriel.
@@archduke0000 yup, it all started there. From Roman Empire in the jungle to the blandest of medieval settings. Horse armor, spell tomes, player housing for real $. Oblivion indeed.
Well everyone seems to think it'll take place in Hammerfell, the home of the redguards, so yeah. Although they'll probably be closer to rainbowguards than the redguards we're familiar with.
Fr when Skyrim released Bethesda was my favourite game studio. I bought all the DLC day 1. Then their very next game, FO4, killed my love for them instantly.
I would have. But only because I played Oblivion before Skyrim, and then Morrowind while I was waiting for Skyrim to come out. By the time Skyrim did come out, I... was beginning to become aware of the 1 step forward, 2 steps back pattern... ._. Although if a time-traveller had visited the 12-yo me and said "in a decade, you'll find more compelling characters and fulfilling gameplay in farming sims than most RPGs", she'd be more doubtful, but the fact that it's true is... so depressing >.>
@@PrincessStabbityPLS Play pathfinder wrath of the righteous. Best rpg in 20 years (yes better than baldurs gate 3 although that game was a 9/10 for me so very good)
I'm old fart who would tolerate the aged mechanics but the stories suck, characters have no life in them. Every single bethesda game before starfield had a better stories and immersion.
Isn't that mainly because they had pre-established lore to "work" with in fallout and elder scrolls? Starfield simply shows their inability to write stories
@@vexile1239 Emil literally had a empty canvas to work with. And what does he come up with? Cowboy's in space and a neon city( whooaa look pretty colors). It's pathetic.
@@Odder-Beingcowboys in space would be amazing. Cowboy Bebop as a game? I'd preorder that sheet. We had these during PS2 era. A modern take on them would be so dope
I don't understand, they said themselves, "players don't want to play our games, they want to live in it" And somehow don't make their games as immersive as possible
@@RayfirefulI don’t think that number will stay steady if they keep releasing things like Starfield. I played Skyrim, Fallout 3, Fallout: NV, and Fallout 4. My favorite two games, with mods, are Skyrim VR and Fallout 4. I didn’t know what to expect going into Starfield. I bought it, played 1.5 hours and instantly recognized the bad patterns from the previous games had been dialed to 11 when the factions sounded uninteresting, the game nonsensically gave me a space ship and then told me to go exterminate a bunch of pirates, and the technology was the most generic soft scifi I’ve ever seen. I returned the game, and the only way I will ever buy it is at 75% off and once modders have overhauled everything about it. Based on the reviews and comments I am far from the only person to buy and return the game. It didn’t have to be that way. Bethesda didn’t have to lose many paying customers.
I recently played through the Fallout 4 mod Sim Settlements 2 (great mod btw) and it was amazing to see what a group of talented modders can do with such an old engine. It really leaves you to wonder what sort of people are working at Bethesda nowadays ...
When Witcher3 came out, i thought to myself that games will need to change, cause i want more of this. I want adult story, interesting side quest, and NPC's trying to intimidate people rather than being clear souless bots. I was wondering how will other studios adapt, then Fallout4 came out. I realized, they wont adapt :D Almost a decade later, and bethesda still refuses to adapt :D Oh well, there are so many good games out there, i dont need to waste my time with Bethesda.
Just got to speak with our wallets, the last modern game I actually bought was Giga bash and that's basically Godzilla Destroy All Monsters Melee but kind of an arcade cartoonish art style which fits it perfectly if you can get into the game
Really something when we have all these games coming out with deep mature stories and characters coming out while Bethesda games are coming out more childish and insipid.
Plenty of WAY better game and rpg games are coming out these days. I used to love Bethesda but they can kiss my ass now. Haven’t given them money since I got my FO76 refund.
Considering how insane Witchers Curent Writers have been on Twitter, just straight up lying that they dont hire on esg and only hire on skill while their website disproves that entirely lmao. Mayby witcher 4 is comparable to Elder scrolls 6 after all.
Imagine that type of attitude anywhere outside of media/gaming/tech "I know the building is still burning down with children trapped inside, but youre doing great! After you finish your break give it your best shot!" "I know the cars engine literally blows up after 20k miles, but you tried your best, dont listen to the haters!"
I don't know how you're seeing any of that here. What I'm seeing is: they gave up. I'm not seeing any positive feeling, but a negative depression. Sure, publicly some like Pagliarulo pretend everything is fine, because PR. But they know.
@@octavianpopescu4776 if they gave up, they would not have PR for anything. It goes like this, I explain my current situation at the end: The higher ups cannot be criticised and then the rule of "shite only goes downhill" applies. As such, You are stuck with incompetent fools at the top, bootlickers under them (which is 50/50 - either useless yesmen, or competent people without spine to stand up to BS) and then it all falls on You and Your colleagues at the bottom. I have it in my current job, the lab director is an economist who previously worked in automotive, the lab manager is not pushing him to any direction and we are stuck with being understaffed/too many samples (average wait time to complete the analysis went up from 2 weeks to 1.5 months in several departments - HPLC dep where I work had 2 months delay, we were working overtimes for 4 months straight to lower it to 1 week delay), half of the equipment is not GLP suitable anymore due to lack of internal investment (just today, 2 pressure valves under 450 bar pressure went flying across the lab, one is about 1.5k $) while company is not making profit. The bussiness is literally under the fire. The same is usually present and can be seen in those firms, just from overall chaos, dev vs management statements, strikes, botched releases, crunch, leaks, etc. The only difference that I have observed is that they are usually overstaffed in management.
One more thing that should be said about Bethesda: they are taking FOREVER to release something very minor and underwhelming. I don’t understand what in Shattered Space took a whole YEAR to finish. Every Starfield update has been very small and limited, yet they only release like one every 3 months. There are some serious issues with Bethesda’s development process.
Well if we take into account that they don't even use design documents, its probably safe to assume that them trying to accomplish anything is likely ending up in complete chaos.
well they have no structure in what they do. Pretty much no one knows what any one else are doing at any given time. so the entire studeo is in complete caos at any given point in their development. so it's a minior miracle they end up releasing any thing at all.
Honestly, this is likely because they know the game is a flop. The best strategy is to invest as little time into it while trying to drive up as much profit as they can. Hence Shattered Space. In my opinion, Shattered Space and the Bounty Hunting Creators Club mod all should've been FREE updates. Nobody mentions how it took them a YEAR to add a simple rover, too. They think they've done nothing wrong and so will continue to pull this. We saw the red flags with F04 and definitely 76. Have no idea why anyone suspected Starfield to be any better. Updates will stop in another year, I guarantee it. Bethesda will be lucky if they don't get bought out or have massive lay-offs come Elder Scrolls 6. A game nearly two years out still. To make no mention of the modding community, not even the modding community wants to touch or fix this game. Which is a HUGE problem for Bethesda because that's literally the only reason people buy their games. Is so they can mod them. They'll NEVER be able to repackage and sell Starfield like they do Skyrim.
I work with a bunch of engineers, and I am WAY less intelligent than all my coworkers to the point of feeling incompetent at times. But then I remember that Emil still has a job at Bethesda and realize I may not be so incompetent after all.
Emil is Bethesda’s version of Tom King. It doesn’t matter how much money he looses the company, or how much fans say they don’t like his writing, the company will never let him go because he’s a little nepotism darling.
Can we take a minute to realize that skyrim grandma is supposed to have a cameo in elder scrolls 6 and she just recently announced that she’s retiring from skyrim play throughs because she’s tired of playing it… I seriously have doubts that bethesda has done anything with her and if they don’t do anything, even though they promised us they would, it would be absolutely disrespectful to not only her but the entire community.
As if Bethesda gives a fuck. They have treated their customers like garbage for decades, and that's not gonna change. Sure it would be nice to see Shirley Curry (Skyrim grandma) in a future TES game, but i doubt they would do her justice. If they accualy would end up putting her in it they still gonna find a way to fuck it up, and then blame the customers for it.
Kinda jumping to conclusions, it's incredibly normal for her to be tired of playing the game, she's done it for so long, max I can tolerate a game is 200 hours and she played Skyrim for 9 years. Not to mention she created content for it too, at such an old age. There is probably no drama about her retiring. The question is if Bethesda will actually manage to release ES6 before she passes away. They already disrespected her enough by releasing all kinds of trash nobody wanted instead of ES6 for so long.
@@masterblaster2678 I agree. You can play the game for so long until you get tired of playing it. My only concern is if they honor what they promised and put her in the game and if they release es6 when she’s still around to see it.
This exactly. That announcement was as surprising as nintendo announcing they are making a Mario game. Except ironicly, Nintendo made 3 Mario games since that announcement.
Bethesda fans are bots. They'll literally buy cat turds as long as it has Bethesda's name on it. Elderscrolls 6 is gonna have massive preorders and probably win game of the year.
A decade ago there were two studios whom I trusted so much I'd happily buy any of their games, sight unseen; Bethesda and Bioware. Today there are still two studios whim I trust so much I'll happily buy their games, sight unseen; Larian and CD Projekt Red. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Cd project red actively made sure no one of their reviewers whould reveal how broken Cyberpunk was before launch. So how can you trust cd project red out all companies? This isint even counting in the massive lie they got caught in recently about not hireing on DEI practices wich their own website disproved.
@@draw2death421 I trust their development team, not their marketing team. Plus there are two things to consider here: First and foremost is that they fixed Cyberpunk. With so many other broken games coming out and being abandoned it was refreshing to see a team actually put the work in to make their game what people wanted, and they did it for free. CD Projekt Red and Cyberpunk 2077 deserve every single ounce of praise people have given to No Man's Sky and its developer because its basically the exact same situation, only Cyberpunk was fixed in a year, not five years. Secondly, and this is the one that fans hate to admit, CD never lied about Cyberpunk. Yes review copies were staggered out in shady ways, and yes the trailers didn't show the real state of last gen versions of the game, but not one promised feature was cut from the game. The issue was a lot of people were under the impression that they had been promised more than they actually were. Short version of that is that a Polish language interview was made, and promptly misquoted. Then the misquote was mistranslated. Then that mistranslated misquote was posted on Reddit and all the American gaming news sites started misquoting the mistranslated misquote without fact checking it or going back to the original source. In a nut shell "they never said that."
Todd's not wrong: it WAS too different from what we had seen in the past. We were used to seeing great stories, memorable characters, and enthralling experiences. Even the weakest Elder Scrolls games are better written than anything in Starfield.
As soon as I saw the repeat of the Skyrim release date advertising I didn't bother. 1. THey banked on Skyrim nostalgia 2. No in-game footage 3. No expaination of the game other than whining about the work it took to LOOK the way it does (biiiig texture files bore or less, something they've always done but out of laziness), nothing more. I'm done. They can fuck around with new things, but don't try to sell it to me and pretend it's a finished game. It's insulting.
@@EvilGlennV2 They have had some decent or good moments with some of that, but yeah, they never pushed the envelope. They had been slowly whittling down on what they are known for, Fallout 4 is where it started becoming very noticeable (IE ripping out RPG elements), and Starfield just... Well, self explanitory right there...
Exactly what great story did Bethesda ever made? The Dragonborn chosen one who fights the big baddie? The lifeless parent looking for their son - pigeon holding you into a linear experience? Finding your dad to make the water clean? I’m lost because outside of good world building Bethesdas stories have always been dog shit
@@Tr3yCharlz Good =/= Great, They have very specific bits that were good, but they aren't great, there's too many flaws, and most of the time it's ok. Also Finding Shaun is imo stupid... It's hard to care about a character you didn't spend much time with, yet the narrative forces you to care. And to find out he's a dumbass narcissist who claims to be Humanity's best hope, when all he does is kidnap/kill people, and replace them with clones aka Gen 3 synths. I wish they would try and improve their downsides... But you know how Emil is: "I'm perfect and fuck anyone who says otherwise" jesus... He's holding Bethesda back...
4:35 The false narrative that Fallout 76 pulled a No Man Sky and delivered a good game after years of game updates and polishing is peak Bethesda shill gaslighting.
Instead they got fat stacks from Microsoft buyouts. Nesmith and Hines along with many devs took the money deal and bailed from this sinking ship but the big two Emil and Todd are literally millionaires and forces to honour Microsoft deal even if Bethesda is a sinking ship.
Yeah, when creative directors start having to budget their gas money perhaps they'll give some consideration to every other human on the planet saying the same thing, adapt or die. Jesus, what a fucking mess of a company
0:16 I recently went back to fallout 4 and I looked at mods. Lots of them are fixes for the game or just additions to the Game that if we are being honest, should've been implemented in any number of Quality of Life patches.
The problem with starfield was hardly AI generated stuff. That game had like 10 pieces of HAND CRAFTED stuff that was randomly placed around. Actual procedural generation would have been much preferred.
@@CaspeaonThey decided to be super anal about "not copying no mans sky" so empty planets were a complete waste of time. You can't really do anything on them, and you can't just have fun seeing the sights because they're ultra barren and you can't even fly a ship in atmosphere
Agreed. They spent thousands of hours working on the procedural generation back end ... and then just gave it a small handful of set pieces to work with. They didn't even give it any real variation of the set pieces, so once you've been to an abandoned listening post you've been to *ALL* the abandoned listening posts. Having randomized loot lying on a table or having it filled with spacers instead of pirates does almost nothing to count for a perceived variation of the set piece. Even the one with the artifact just has a cave pasted on to a hallway. The rest of it's the same. They made a lot of great improvements to the engine but then they did nothing to show it off, and even hobbled it with massive repetition.
Procedurally generated you mean. In order for something to be AI it has to use a neural network. If Bethesda had used AI it at least would have been somewhat better.
Cataclysm DDA, Dwarf Fortress, RimWorld all have heavy procedural elements and are legendary games in my opinion. Starfield just sucks, procedural or not. The handcrafted parts are garbage too.
Todd would be better finding a buyer for the IPs at this point. There needs to be new creative leads on these games - fresh ideas and hungry developers. Complacency kills.
Completely agree. There are soo many better studious out there that would do sutch a better jobb than bethesda. And if not sell the IP's, atleast lease them out or somthing like the sort.
@@mr-x7689If I don't know these days. I feel like some studios could maybe give us a better product but would just milk us with microtransactions because Elder Scrolls is so popular
The real issue is we, as gamers, ate to blame. Yeah, we complain and piss and moan. But we keep pre-ordering. We keep accepting games with bugs in them. The fact that you said "we all know games ate going to have bugs in them" just goes to show how much we have been groomed to put up with. I've been gaming for 40 years. I've watched the decline of the gaming industry in general. The first thing that started all this was the bean counters, the finance people, realized how much money there was to be made. But those people have a different business model than the original gaming industry. They're not willing g to wait 7 or 8 years for a game that might make 100 million dollars. They want a steady revenue stream. That's one of the reasons we have buggy games, microtransactions, and "horse armor." They've used hype marketing to get gamers to give them money before they even finish a game. If gamers as a whole would just stop pre-ordering games and stop buying them before there are some game reviews. All of these bad actors would disappear. I know what people will say, well we wouldn't get all these games if we did that. That's just plain cope. They'd make BETTER games because they know there's money to be made and if they have to invest for 5 or 6 years and pay game devs good money and hire enough devs to make it happen, then they would. But they know they don't have to because gamers will put up with their crap. I remember a time when if a company did not release review copies of their game. No one would buy it. Now they run some cool cgi movies, and gamers start drooling. It really falls on all of us for letting them do this to us. The game companies don't care. Even starfield made them money, lots of money and is continuing to make them Okey thru MTs. STOP PRE-ORDERING, STOP BUYING GAMES UNTIL THEY'RE REVIEWED. If we all really did that game companies would start making good games again. No matter how many excuses you come up with, that is the real truth.
to be fair, a open world like skyrim takes time, it seems that most companies develop a game this big in like 7 years, if we had games this fast from them, they had to be doing those projects since like 3 years before tes 5 knowing how bethesda likes to have bugs and glitches, it would be like fo76 destorying consoles and similar crap i dont see it happening tbh, and that is fine, but i would like to see tes 6 like, last year, instead of starfail
CONSIDERING that most of Starfield was procedurally generated and is just a recycled mess of the same assets, I don’t know where all the time went, honestly. With that work strategy we really should have more games than we have. Yes, there are a thousand planets, but there are only so many variations of the same old assets, which is VERY limiting for exploration.
Hell, Halo 3 from 2007 has better facial animations than Starfield. Bethesda is the worst in the AAA industry when it comes to quite a few things. Combat, cut scenes, facial animations, AI, simply having a character walk without bugging out... I genuinely don't understand how Bethesda has even gotten to where they are. Their games have always been half-assed buggy unfinished messes with truly horrendous writing that would even make a first year English literature undergrad feel ashamed.
🎶NPCs still give you shit no matter your skill in Persuasion🎶 🎶And story's so dumbed down it takes roleplaying outta the equation🎶 🎶And if you like this kinda games it's Bethesdification🎶
This section after 16:43 really annoyed me. Making excuses as to why they publish early because holding off would only make it better and not perfect, and that they don't want to publish the known list of bugs because it would hurt marketing. Well here's a crazy thought. Maybe don't release the game until you feel comfortable publicly sharing the list of known bugs at release? There's the line you aim for, it's not unknown.
Starfeld would have been the ultimate game to lockout content for replayability. Run through one storyline locking you out of others then getting the chance to redo mistakes or complete another path as a Starborn then ultimately being able to complete a wholly different campaign one you’ve learned all the paths. Such a waste.
Yeah... I don't think the engine is the problem to be honest. The graphics are actually not bad, It's the lack of gameplay elements. Starfield is basically empty space with so much lost potential...
It was basically a perfect setup for Bethesda to experiment and they completely blew it. They could've made essential NPCs killable and it wouldn't matte since you can always go to another universe.
Bethesda has two massive problems. Problems 1: it will have taken 20 years to release the next game. Most people that were solely skyrim fans will have grown up and moved on by then. Problem 2: Modding, by that I mean you have mod list for skyrim were every texture is in true 4k, followers have AI chat bots attached to make them true living NPC illusion. Combat mods that make the game play way better turn spam power attack against guy in basic armor. Skyrim was my favorite game. Now I just want 6 so Bethesda will stop updating 5
@IncognitoActivado gimmick or not but if you search for even a short of a modern skyrim wabbajack list and you can see a skyrim worthy of the PS5. A skyrim with thick massive forest, dark soul combat, stealth like you would see in a older assassin creed. Massive hour long quest chains about realm hoping and whole new world
IMO game studios that allow player mods should be allowed to use these mods in game updates if they wish. They give you permission to mod, you then should give permission for them to use the mods. I think this disconnect keeps a lot of games from being great without mods.
Bethesda needs to be dissolved at this point. I don't want to see Elder Scroll brought down to starfield's level of quality. I'd rather it never come out.
CDProjekt didn't switch to Unreal in order to improve things. They switched because they no longer had staff who even understood it so they went with a catch all save.
that and the fact that a game engine is hard to develop and maintain, and offer very little in return, not having unreal and other popular game engines available
no, they realized that the amount of time and money that would go into the engine to update it wasn't worth it. Stop it with the nonsensical attempt to confirm your biases you sound like far lefties trying to convince themselves of complete cope.
0:39 Why not? Todd Howard an Emil are both millionaires, have super awesome benefits, retirement, severance packages, bonuses, time off, ALL the perks. They don't care, why do something to rock the boat?
I think that specifically modern Bethesda formula doesn't work. I reckon if they returned to the Morrowind era and made it a little bit less jank and approachable, people would buy that.
I wanted to agree with you but I don't. I think people DO want more Skyrim and more Fallout "replays." The formula DOES work, but they've broken away from the formula with fallout 76 and starfield with online and procedurally generated content. If Starfield was HUGE, SPACE Skyrim, it would have been a bombshell. I'd have bought it, but review after review complaining about the lack of meaningful exploration, the same cookie cutter NPCs and quests planet after planet, made it sound like they're running into the same issues as No Man's Sky to a worse extent, seeing as NMS has been spending the last 10 years making procedural generation work for them. If starfield was handcrafted, it would have followed the formula and WOULD have worked. They are not following their formula, and are doubling down on the consumer being the problem. They very much need to GO BACK to what works.
There are at least a half dozen studios I would trust to make ES6 before Bethesda. the ONLY value they have is in their ownership of the Fallout and Elder Scrolls IPs. I wish Microsoft could have Obsidian make the next games.
@@Stinkyremy Obsidian is FAR from dead, lol. 20 million+ units sold on Grounded. How many on Outer Worlds? We've got Avowed coming, we've got Outer Worlds 2 coming, and scuttlebutt says Grounded 2 is in pre-production as well. FAR from dead, lol. In a much better place than most AAA studios are these days.
Nah Obsidian fell off. The people behind NV and their other good games are mostly gone. Outer Worlds, while definitely not Starfield bad, was definitely not it, chief. That game felt like it was trying really hard to recreate the magic of New Vegas but the ability just wasn't there.
Their formula isn’t working anymore isn’t accurate. Their formula did work but they lost it. Their games have regressed. They could have done nothing and been in better shape than they are now.
the bethesda formula for games isn't the issue they need to go back to them, maybe as far back as Morrowind, every new game loses so much of what made the formula so great.
They need to go back to Oblivion, Morrowind, and Daggerfall eras for sure and restore all the cut content. Elder Scrolls used to be an actual real RPG and a sim-lite.
@@probablynotdad6553 oblivion is fine if they get rid of the level scaling and horrible loot :> I love that the two best areas to farm loot were 3 feet from towns, and oblivion gates just sucked. Made an effort to explore every dungeon, only to find shitty stuff except 2 dungeons, really killed my enjoyment of the game.
when i think back to what made skyrim so great it was getting lost. it was finding a cave on the way to my quest objective and exploring it, then 2 minutes later finding a fort and exploring it. taking 2 hours to get to a quest objective that should’ve taken 5 minutes. that’s what made skyrim so great to me. and i went into starfield expecting that, and i really didn’t get it at all. instead it took 3 different loading screens to get to my quest objective, finding nothing of interest on the way, and immediately going through another 3 loading screens to get to the next one. that is what killed starfield for me, and what makes modding it such a waste of time. honestly, as long as elder scrolls 6 has one big open world with plenty of handmade unique locations, it will already leagues better than starfield.
If you want to understand why Bethesda games are getting worse, one very important reason is: look at who are no longer there. Starfield shows an utter lack of creativity. It’s just repackaged animations and mechanics. Compare TES where you could play as a multitude races to Starfield where it’s just humans. It’s empty and shallow, and I have no confidence that TES6 will return to the fun and enjoyment of Skyrim, even with mods.
So... What Bethesda is saying is, they don't have any actual programmers in house anymore and the staff they DO have ONLY know how to use the creation kit, that's why the modders have to fix the SAME THINGS every new game.
I think they have one malnourished used-to-be-great autistic savant locked in a basement churning out creation engine content that they whip to make em improve the decades old gamebryo base to try and do impossible wonders, while it shrieks in agony of the impossible things asked of it, incapable of escape as it's skin has fused to the leather chair during decades of sitting. Every now and then Todd goes in there and pets it's head, smiles and comforts it, encouraging it to keep going with promises of 16 times the detail.
God I hate youtube so much. First they auto-delete the comment I leave for who knows why, then they proceed to give me notifications of replies to that message my comment isn't even on anymore.
for years now our expectations have always been "i want old game but slightly better", if they cant meet those expectations what are they doing, kicking rocks?
This is what games used to be! The change from Pokémon Red to Pokémon Silver is a perfect example. Same type of game, but with a little added and with more polish. As a consumer, I know what I’m getting and as a business they know what they’re doing and they can release faster.
18:35 thats the main problem with them and what makes a game like New Vegas so much better, the fact they have the blueprint with their own engine right there but they refuse to follow it..
Current day Bethesda feels so bad, I know people who bought FO4 on PC for the sole reason of playing the London mod, me included and fyi, I played FO4 on console before and felt no reason to buy it on PC till London mod was teased... But back to the point I tried to make... Current day Bethesda relies so heavily on the community to fix their games for them, it looks like over the years they've been losing the notion to make great games on their own and just create "sandboxes" for people to do whatever they want without putting much effort into making them interesting (or functional).
03:14 WTF is that slide supposed to mean? Great Games are played not made???????? Thats literally not how any of this works. I guess i have to look for that presentation to get... something i hope.
i believe they call that per-emptive corporate distribution of blame. Make sure your devs know that nothing they can do they will ever be held accountable for, and thus they should not hold upper management accountable for anything. And everyone can cash their checks on Friday, and make fun of the fans all weekend. Whatever keeps the big boys at Microsoft writing those checks.
5:59 What happened to that part in the game? I swear that happened in the beginning when you fight the first dragon, right? I thought I was going crazy until I saw this clip. This never happens in any new play throughs I have done in the last 5+ years. Did they remove the giant from that fight? Or did this happen in some other quest I can't find again?
Wouldve been really cool if Bethesda heard us properly. I want to Fallout game where a few of my buddies can drop-in, drop-out, and they make an MMO thing.
@@Melinmingle Is this you Todd? No, not Fallout 76. A game built from the ground up to be single player like 1, 2, 3, NV, and 4 THEN the ADDITIONAL option to have a few friends join THAT game.
save? they are causing this situation basically, if they leave and all falls apart or if they stay and game crashes, it will be their fault, one way or another or the game doesnt suck, or it is the end
*"At Bethesda, the games we were making were so big, we had to take the approach of, 'Everybody's go to be able to do this at some point.'"* That makes no sense. The larger your game, the _more_ you must embrace the idea that no individual player will experience all of the content, at least not within a single playthrough. An immersive, emergent open-world game should be designed such that the average player experiences only a minority of the content in a single playthrough, and that the majority of people who play the game will never experience all of it. A developer should understand and embrace the concept: "It _might_ be that no individual player experiences all of the content --- _but all of the content will be experienced by players."_
Absolutely this. Hell, Larian proves the point with BG3. I have hundreds of hours in the game, and I still haven't done half the things the game has to do.
The ENTIRE reason for moving to Unreal is that the majority of talent in the industry are experienced with Unreal and thus replacing staff and getting new hires up to speed is much quicker than trying to teach a new employee an obsolete game engine. I think the main reason for Bethesda sticking to Creation is for their personal job security. Bethesda know that if they switched to Unreal their entire staff would be scrutinized and more easily replaced.
I'm waiting for it, but I don't know what it's going to be like. I'll see when I get there. And it's not like I'm counting the days. I have other things to do in my life than wait for a video game. And even regarding video games, there are other games to play. So, I'm just patient and we'll see what happens then. No need to speculate and declare anything good/bad in advance. We'll see the finished product and go from there. If it's good, it's good, if it's bad, it's bad... it is what it is. But first, let's get there and see.
The best thing Bethesda could do for the next Elder Scrolls title is going back and reviewing (playing the games and talking with the fan base) everything that worked well from Morrowind - Skyrim. What quest lines were the most memorable, what mechanics were more fleshed out then the others, which game worlds had more to explore and ways to explore, etc. Take pieces of what made the previous titles so immersive and start from there, try to build on them but don't make them trivial. Here are some examples: - Layered clothing and armor from Morrowind, lets players have different combinations for looks and scenarios. Also bring back being able to wear more than 1 ring. - Spell making, being able to create some amazing / game breaking spells. - Equipment wear and tear, item degradation makes sense and it's immersive. One moment your gear is solid and a few hours later you could be in a dungeon and your weapon breaks. Kept me on my toes. - Bring back Oblivion's lock picking mini game, that one was more interactive and immersive than Morrowind's or Skyrim's. Also bring back Morrowind's magically trapped doors or chests. That could be another Oblivion-like mini game. - Keep Skyrim's black smithing but possibly add in Fallout 4's weapon modding mechanics. If not for weapon changing effects it could be for weapon altered appearance. - Take a page from Fallout New Vegas, if weapons and armor found is unique.... make them look AND function uniquely. - Make ALL Factions mentioned or dealt with in game joinable and give them a story quest line or radiant quests. Make them have rival faction altercations / combat. (e.g. Blackwood Company, Mythic Dawn, Order of the Black Worm, Silver Hand, etc.) - Don't try and shoehorn real world politics or ideologies into the game. I have way more examples but you get the picture. They have so much they can reuse and improve with, they don't need to reinvent the wheel here. They just need to listen to the fans and go against what the corpo share holders want to force them to do. Fight to make something great and not just take the easy path to push out another F76 / Starfield turd for a quick buck. Also, stop this nonsense with micro-dlc transactions in a SINGLE PLAYER GAME....
Just look at the highly revered Hollywood. Directors of moves these days NEVER read the source material. And with the gaming industries massive inferiority complex towards Hollywood they won't either.
I think listening to fans is very difficult for bethesda, since they have many different fans who want different TES games. I for example hate equipment degradation. And I fear the majority of the community hates the oblivion lockpicking minigame, at least from what I've read. If you ask for the last good TES game before Bethesda "ruined it", you will get answers going from Daggerfall to Skyrim. That said I generally support your sentiment. Escpecially in regards of micro-DLCs, which sadly seem to produce to much money for them to be abandoned...
the people that owrked in tes 5 already retired from the industry, that game began development in like 2007, same for people in fo4 i think that is part of the problem, also the good writers we had, already died, this is a real problem
I used to think the engine was at fault, but seeing what modders do with that old engine made me realise that Bethesda just sucks, there are mods out there that change the game completely from animations to rpg systems so yeah no it's not the engine they just suck ballz. There are mods out there that turn Skyrim into Dark Souls I mean come on.
You have new designers and developers replacing veteran ones. The new guys dont know the engine - the true engine - as well as the veterans do and it wouldnt be all that surprising if they learned how to code and design using Unreal Engine before being hired. Meanwhile, modders who have motivation - whether sentimental or otherwise - to stick with CE, have incredible knowledge of how it works and what its limitations are. So much so that when Bethesda makes a massive mistake, it is the modders who are telling us what happened and what needs to be done to fix it.
The engine is dog shit. They have always sucked at face animation. Loading screens everywhere, they don't want to give up their item physics which really add very little to the game.
When you have games like RDR2 that set the bar so high with animations and map design. You shouldn't be surprised when players are disappointed in your low-quality game.
I some times wonder if TES 6 will keep up the tradition and have 16 times the loading screens of Starfield? Also doesn't Todd like to say something along the lines of "It's not how it launches, it's what it becomes." Which basically means we are going to work till the game is MVP then put it out for modders to do our job for us.
I mean anyone who doesn‘t see the writing on the wall by now is a lost cause anyway and will just buy any corporate trash. Bethesda has seen a steady decline in quality for years. FNV was a masterpiece, so was Skyrim. FO4 was noticeably worse but still kinda good. FO76 was a buggy mess. Starfield was an empty shell of a game. Ironically, the worse their games get the more they try to hype them up in marketing. „16 times the details“. Personally I haven‘t bought any Bethesda titles after FO4.
A big reason for them to not change engines in the robustness of its mod-ability. Mods absolutely sell Bethesda games and keep them relevant for many years, they don't wanna mess that up. Where Starfield falls short is it's setting. Skyrim and Fallout can get away with being buggy and boring because the world they're set in is awesome, and mods will make them not boring/broken. Nobody cares about a space faction snoozefest since there's a ton of better space games. But there aren't many other open world medieval fantasy/post-apocalyptic games on the market. That's also why FO76 was inherently flawed. You can't heavily mod online games without private servers, which'll act as a barrier to entry when each server has different modlists and fragments the playerbase
FO76 could have worked the same way as Minecraft's modded servers and it would have been fine. But yeah the engine is not the problem here. Its bethesda themselves.
UE5 coming with its own set of problems and I think CDPR decision to ditch RED Engine is a mistake. They finally got it going, they should stick with it.
I'm pretty sure they drove everyone who knew the RED Engine away and have no other choice. They just dress it up as a calculated decision so they don't show their incompetence. There have been numerous reports that the employee churn at CDPR is insane.
@@Xalantor There are reports showing that their current crew isn't versed in UE5 either and everything progressing really slowly. Looks like they have serious problem with HR.
And the other thing is that with the changes to Starfield's engine, no-one wants to Mod Bethesda's games, and without Mods Bethesda games are mediocre, at best. On the other hand, Unreal already has a massive modding community, and all of them would start modding - and improving - Bethesda's games and make them popular again. Sticking with an engine that is 80 years old (in tech years) is insane.
"you don't know all the work that goes on in the kitchen of a restaurant"
"i don't, but this tastes like crap"
"you obviously don't know good food"
You don't need to know all the work that goes on in a resturants kitchen, to know that somthing is seriously wrong when some a-holes turd is floating around in your soup.
@@mm-yt8sf Eat the slop. You don't want to be called a bigot right?. /sarc
Yeah, it always bugs me when people use that comparison to try and squash complaints. Like, I don't need to know how to cook good food to know when it tastes like shit. Or is MADE of shit.
the fact that they worked so hard on something and it still ended up being terrible only makes them seem like they are even more incompetent. especially when you can get food that is just as good for 1/4 the price down the street.
"You're not a chef, so you can't understand what good food is"
"Am I out of touch? No. It is the customers who are wrong."
-Bethesda
Sweet baby ink/Disney
Not just Bethesda. In the last year, most studios have been puting the blame on the gamers for any bad sale numbers. One of those studio that didn't do that was CDPR with Cyberpunk. They took 2 years and almost reprogrammed the whole game to finally make it a success. It may be the last good game they will ever do but nevertheless, this is how you're supposed to react when your customers tell you 'its not good".
Seeing how brainless mass gamers are/could be, Bethesda may not be that far from the truth :D
@XXveny wrong, you might like starfield but ur a minority
That's corporate America in general
Crazy how not long back, we were excited about "Skyrim in Space." Now we're just all depressed thinking about "Starfield with Swords."
Good point Skyrim in Space did sound promising but it was just badly designed, sad, empty and rubbed in how dated their engine was.
@@hiddendragon415 who cares about the bloody engine. they already have all the tools they need to make a great TES 6, they just don't care.
Well said lol
There is no problem with Bethesda formula of "open world full of interesting content". Starfield failed because it doesn't employ it. And the first signs of the problems was... the Radiant Quest system which procedurally made repetitive, boring fetch quests. Sounds familiar?
This and the radiant quests are better than most of the others.
Who have you listen to tons of boring dialogue about things you dont care about while following an npc.
At least some radiant quests had action lol
It's not even a question of open world, in truth it's secondary.
It's simply that Bethesda doesn't want to make RPGs anymore.
THE primary strength of the Elder Scrolls was the progression system and the ultra sandbox and permissive builds, hence the great love of players towards Morrowind which offered the most stupid and fun builds (even if Oblivion goes even further since the NPCs live and move unlike those of Morrowind allowing to try even cooler builds).
you can do a full village build and never leave a village and still be max level.
that was the strength of the Elder Scrolls.
Yes THIS!
I'm half expecting ES6 to just be a reskinned Skyrim.
I have a feeling that would be way, way, waaay better than whatever it will be..
"Hey you, you're finally awake!"
If it were the same quality of Skyrim I think everyone would be happy.
It's going to be lame and gay like in that south park meme
You call yourself a Nord ?
What's gonna happen:
>ES6 releases
>Same combat as Skyrim with small tweaks
>Improved Starfield Graphics
>Worse writing
>Hero is Swordborn or some shit
>Gotta save the world from a big baddie
>Main quest doesn't affect the world at all
>No choices affect the world
>Lore shitted on
>Average Bethesda type game
> 7/10
>People buy it a ton due to Bethesda hype
>Massively liked despite glaring flaws and dated gameplay
>Just gotta put in 12 hours and it'll be fun bro, trust
>4 months later everyone calls it shit
>Reviewers regret their high praise and rating
>Bethesda ignores Criticism, and makes a ton of money from the hype
>Emil pats himself on the back good job, and is made game director
>Todd retires smiling at the sunset, knowing he just did his last big swindle and the idiots bought his hype
I think that's exactly what is going to Happen
You could yourself Nostradamus, but we all know Nostradamus had a certain chance to be wrong. You don't.
@@KR-tk8fe Words cannot describe how much I wish you was wrong but know you're right. Though a tweak would be "just gotta put in 36 hours bro" cause wasnt that the cope for Starfield? I just hope somehow, some way the game flops and thwy get shitall money.
Hope they at least stop with the fake loading screens,
I'm not sure people will just blindly buy the game though, we are getting more and more cautious, especially when it comes to triple fail studios
>Nazeem still ask you if you go to the cloud district
"How does it feel to live long enough to see all your favorite franchises go down in flames?"
"Feels great."
Everything they touch turns to turds. In their echo chamber, everything is just going great!
I am 61 years old. I have watched them all die. From Pong to today I have watched everything fun die.
It's funny becuse I've said that Bethesda has been failing ever since 2011 as I was no big fan of the game (great with mods though), and after Fallout 4 it was clear they could still make an open world game but lacked the depth, writing and sense of theme to make such a game overall great.
@@garcemac i used to be fun, too. Before Bethesda invaded my life.
As a masochist myself I FUCKING LOVE IT.
The company died the moment they decided to use Elder Scrolls VI's development cycle for an MMO that nobody wanted or asked for. All the goodwill for the company that Fallout/TES fans had for them dried up like bread in a toaster when they announced Fallout 76. They forgot what made them popular. They forgot what made them successful.
Bethesda refuses to change? That's cool. I refuse to buy. Nothing changed.
GOOD RIDANCE
Amen.
That's how it's done. 💯%
They cut very little from their games. Then why were skyrims guild quests short and so damn disjointed? You went from a novice to arch mage in a handful of quests. It had no effect on the world whatsoever. Not even a voice line outside of the college. Skyrim is almost more overrated than oblivion.
@@TheRationalist. oblivion is better than skyrim. Skyrim is babys first action game. Skyrim is only popular because kids like you will buy anything with a dragon on it. Realize too that game of thrones was a big selling point as why people bought it. "OUUUU IT HAS DRAGON IN IT?" then here come the droves of kids that have no idea what a ES game is telling us its the greatest one. No. it had the best graphics and worst gameplay of all of them.
If Microsoft actually cared for its investments they would be breathing down Bethesdas neck especially after the response to Starfield
Microsoft is part of the problem. Not the solution. They've never had competent leadership to right the ship. They need to bring back Peter Moore and promote Rod Fergusson.
Halo infinite. 🤷
The cope out that people had saying Microsoft purchase would fix Bethesda quality control turned out to be a flop.
MSFT should take the Fallout IP and give it to Obsidian. (Re)hire Chris Avellone and some other ex-Black Isle/Fallout ppl.
@@rickgear2579 fuck Rod under his leadership he allowed gears of war to become a shadow of its former self. now with hi gone e-day is the franchises only chance to revive. Peter Moore coming back would be a good thing I will agree on that part
Pete Hines once said “enjoy your disappointment” to an annoyed fan who was tired of the extremely long wait for Bethesda to release Starfield.
It seems this has since become the official motto of Bethesda.
Well, "enjoy your disappointment" is just step one.
Next step is "Fuck you, buy the 30 dollar flat DLC too!"
As head of PR, Pete Hines was a disaster for Bethesda.
Pete Hines may be gone but the damage he caused will never be fixed.
stop buying their shit.
@@deathsaintxv lol, like what? dont fix bugs and release more slop that people just buy because its from bethesda
The Wayward Relams sounds substantially more promising than ES6 based on what footage and info we have for The Wayward Realms vs Bethesda's recent history
I'd rather we just stopped talking about this mess of a game. It's time to accept that Bethesda is dead, and move on.
You’re correct, however shitting on it makes money and Bethesda broke my little heart with Starfield so I will watch all the break up videos to make myself feel better. So I’m here for the hate.
It died when they chose to use the same garbage engine for Fallout 4, it's all been downhill since then
@@morgantaylor1838 Starfield breaking your heart is like an ex stripper you chose to wife up breaking your heart
Welcome to the farm
I think we need to accept Bethesda was never good to begin with. Skyrim was a fluke.
If Emil writes the next Elder Scrolls it will be bad, it's really that simple. They can fix it now, or they can watch as hundreds of their coworkers lose their jobs a few months after release.
It’s obviously not just Emil, the whole studio needs to wash itself out.
that mofo.... and he dares writes more
@@prismaticbeetle3194 They set up a feedback loop where they praise and reward themselves for their shitty writing. Until they stop huffing farts it won't go anywhere.
Well they don't need to watch. The people who still have a job just sigh in relief and move on lol. I'm a Senior Software Engineer. I know.
@@Vityaz-of-Rus Bethesda writers aren't allowed to criticize others writing so if someone comes up with a bad idea, they can't say no. At that point it's the lead who has to take responsibility and say "no, this is a bad idea" but the lead is Emil and so therein lies the problem.
Starfield was Bethesda’s last chance to dissuade people’s fears for ES6, imho. Instead it just prepped people for the incoming disappointment
Starfield was Todd and Emil’s first truly original franchise. Not copied from or based on the writing of others…and it sucked.
@@snowbunnie1113 They should've thought about how they did Morrowind, and just make Starfield around that idea, handcrafted world with make 2 to 3 planets and limit loading screens. There are space sims out there made by a sole developer that has seemless planet entry and exit. very limited loading screens. working with less resources than Bethesda.. AAA industry in general has just been disappointing this decade. This really isn't just a Bethesda problem. Despite the industry issues, there have been some great titles. Just Bethesda isn't coming out on top in this one.
Oblivion was my tipping point.
stop raping children
you people focus too much on one game, when ES6 is a completely
different thing.
i cant wait for TES6, all the missiing and dumbed down features, the retcon of huge pieces of lore, the jank and bugs of a creation engine ""3"", a huge empty world to fill with a bad building system and generic npcs with a single line of dialogue, nothing to replace the radiant ai so npcs just wander back and forth in a single area, cities that you've heard so much about that are supposed to be big and important but in game its just 3 shacks and 1 bigger shack for the king, i cant wait!
"TES 6 will disappoint"
Yeah I think we've known that for a couple years at this point. A decade, even. You know what they say... hope dies last. But it dies.
Pretty sure the hope died when Bethesda decided to start defending why there game is bad before they even got into the thick of creating it. It's like a president on his inauguration speech saying "I know these next 4 years will likely be tough under my leadership, I may ruine the American dream, and I may even start several preventable wars... Thank you for your time"
@@LegDayLas lol the UK priminister pretty much did say that.
It's cute that you thought 98% of the Bethesda fanbase hadn't already given up all hope of ES VI being good.
Also cute when people who hated Starfield will still pre-order Elder Scrolls 6 and act surprised.
Just wait. We'll get all these RUclipsrs doing "intelligent video essays" on how they were dissapointed are with Elder Scrolls 6.
There's a subset of gamers who will just refuse to take responsibility for their own purchases. "Bethesda hasn't made a good game since Skyrim / Oblivion / Morrowind" and they will keep pre-ordering and acting surprised.
Honestly it's been over a decade so yea I doubt it's ganna be good.
@@Purrrple but you will be able to choose your character's sex and gender separately, what's not to love ?
@@vt2788 those are separate? 🥴🥴🥴 I don't think so. 🤔
@@MinecraftMartin Because despite the downward spiral, the predecessor games are still so popular/loved by the fanbase that they still elicit HOPE for the next title, despite Bethesda having only put out trash in recent years.
Crafting a decent story and good dialogue is only a challenge if you hire incompetent writers.
1000 times this
emil is a joke
@@prismaticbeetle3194He's not a joke. . .'cause he doesn't even qualify as a little kid's fart/poop joke.
TBH bethesda should clean house and hire modders to come in and redesign everything. Obviously the modders are doing something right, because they are the reason why Bethesda as a company is still relevant
Bethesda should hire the Witcher 3 writers for ES6. CD Projekt Red is apparently going the way of Ubisoft and Sweet Baby Inc., anyway.
Do you think competent writers would say that it’s easy?
"We cut very little from our games" The awesome windowed UI of Morrowind? The dialogue options that branched out? Disposition persuasion with NPC's? Multiple immersive ways to travel? Levitation? Mark and Recall? Detect enchantment? Divine/Almsivi Intervention? Spears, pikes, javelins, throwing stars, shurikens, etc? Alchemical tools that you could find throughout the world, carry around with you and mix and match to create varying levels of potions and poisons? Actually having to refer back to your journal or talk to NPC's to learn about locations, lore and leads?
why isn't this top comment?
'Says Elder Scrolls 6 WILL Disappoint' yeah I already figured that with how Bethesda has been treating Starfield's reception. Like being that clearly out of touch spells nothing good for the future.
To me it sounds the same as "If you go swimming in the sea, expect to see fish". Like, why should I even be surprised.
How asking pronouns in the character profile make it a 10/10
The EGOS of these men, not just Todd Howard...That they assume they KNOW what players want, when its a slap in the face. We're smarter than your Marketing Speak, Bruce Nesmith. We simply have higher standards as gamers these days.
The biggest issues with Starfield have nothing to do with the Creation Engine. No game engine in the world can fix boring dialog, who gives a crap characters, and a made for TV storyline.
how would you change the story line of the boring bits?
And precisely which boring bits?
@@UmmerFarooq-wx4yo For one thing, not give every companion the same personality.
Cut the tutorial down to not be multiple hours.
Not make the POIs copy pastes of the same 4 structures.
Stop making damn near every NPC essential.
Don't make planetary exploration a chore with no reward.
Introduce the revolutionary concept of choices and consequences to the quests in your "rpg".
Make skills actually change your gameplay instead of just make numbers go up.
Actually do something interesting with the time loop NG+ concept instead of use it for lazy one-off bits like "Oh now this character is a potted plant isn't that strange".
Give the Starborn some actual motivation.
Don't repackage base game content into DLC ( shattered space is very clearly cut content from the base game).
Actually explore the ideas of the setting they created (the war, limited expansion, the pirates, the giving up on space exploration, the tension between factions based on resource limitations imposed by said expansion ban, the fact that humanity seems to be alone in the universe and the implications of that, etc.) instead of just using it as a backdrop.
Have missions that are more than walking through a dungeon shooting everyone or fetch quests.
There's a few things for you.
@@UmmerFarooq-wx4yoAll of it. Take the whole game, throw it in the trash. Start from scratch. Play Mass Effect and Kotor. Watch Star Trek and Star Wars. Watch Stargate. Learn to write a decent story, then learn to write characters, then learn to write space battles. Now try again
Yeah, this stupid notion about the engine is just trying add length to this video about nothing. He has to go through the checklist of grievances and the "engine" issue which ISNT AN ISSUE especially considering its that same engine that manages to keep those games relevant. No one plays TW3 anymore, yet MANY PEOPLE PLAY Skyrim. It's not because Skyrim is a fundamentally better game, its just the engine allows for so many mods.
The story may be boring but without the restrictions of the Creation Engine, they could have made much more fun and fast paced combat with far better visuals and space combat. But yes the story would still blow.
Modders shouldn't have to fix basic issues
WRONG
Same thing happened with Skyrim and no one cared.
@@warlockofbluecheesesmither2517 He's objectively correct. Games should work as intended upon release.
@@piratekingthaszar7912 But they never will. Get over that already. Games haven't released to work as intended for many years now.
Deal with the fact that modders are an integral part of gaming today.
I refuse to support companies that release broken games. If your game doesn't work without modders doing your job, you don't deserve the money.
Gentle reminder that Fallout isn’t even a Bethesda IP. It was an acquisition from interplay.
New Vegas isn’t a Bethesda game. It was made by Tim Cains team at obsidian. Tim Cain made the original Fallout at Interplay.
It shouldn’t even be in their “top three”.
In my mind Elder Scolls is their only good IP at this point - and they fumbled that one hard.
I am re-playing "Fallout 4" there is still game breaking bugs that have not been fixed for 8 years!! ( Independence Castle Radio Glitch, and Mechnaist Lair Progress) that is a perfect example of how incompetent Bethesda is and that there IPs would be better handle fully by someone else who cares about fixing problems.
Ya know oddly enough, running the Xbox One version on Series X fixed a lot of those issues for me.
But then they had to go and 'optimize' it for Series S/X and while the game looks a lot nicer, really all it did was break shit again. 😂 😂 😂
ohh we know bro.
Slyrim is 13 years old rereleased over and over and its still a buggy mess. they wont even have the respect to add the unofficial patch into it.
fallout 4 is going downhill whit the bugs whit every update
And the "Can't go that way" border bug making both nuka world and far harbor inaccessible
They still haven't even fixed the radiant quests in skyrim or 4 sending you to dlc areas. Mods for that were made almost immediately. They're just lazy imo.
I have zero faith in Elder Scrolls 6 or anything Bethesda decides to shit out. This company has shown that not only are they not going to change and improve their writing and gameplay style but they straight up refuse to change.
Emil and Todd don’t care that most people hate Starfield. As long as they have a few loyal shills they’re happy enough.
They do change tho, simplifying all elements and making stuff as generic to the point its become the definition of generic
Todd.... Todd never changes....
Yeah this company and so many other "AAA" companies.
I feel like another 5-10 years and there won't be a single AAA games company that'd be worth keeping an eye on. Weird how clueless they are. But I guess that's what you get when you get rid of "from gamers to gamers" and instead put together a bunch of suits with DEI consultants and psychologists to try and make games.
Nobody has expected anything from ES6 since Starfield launched.
Exactly. I'm not expecting anything, good or bad, from it. I'm pacient and we'll see when we get there. Anything before that is rumour and speculation from my point of view and I'll only look at the finished game to decide whether or not to buy. If it's good fine, if it's not good also fine.
I want them to cancel it.
TES should end on a high note. Not become this bland, outdated, utterly boring and play-it-safe-woke trash that was Starfield.
And make no mistake, TES6 WILL be Starfield, but in Tamriel.
Fallout 4*
*Oblivion
@@archduke0000 yup, it all started there. From Roman Empire in the jungle to the blandest of medieval settings. Horse armor, spell tomes, player housing for real $. Oblivion indeed.
I don’t know many things but if I know one thing from Starfield it’s this. 99% of NPCs will be redguards.
Well everyone seems to think it'll take place in Hammerfell, the home of the redguards, so yeah. Although they'll probably be closer to rainbowguards than the redguards we're familiar with.
@@goatslayer3160I wish they did Summerset Isles instead and continued the elf war storyline.
@@WatchThis-ek2og They still might. One of the towers the thalmor need for their world domination plan is in Hammerfell.
Bro if you told 12 year old me after playing Skyrim that this is how Bethesda would turn out, I would never have believed it
Fr when Skyrim released Bethesda was my favourite game studio. I bought all the DLC day 1. Then their very next game, FO4, killed my love for them instantly.
I would have. But only because I played Oblivion before Skyrim, and then Morrowind while I was waiting for Skyrim to come out. By the time Skyrim did come out, I... was beginning to become aware of the 1 step forward, 2 steps back pattern... ._.
Although if a time-traveller had visited the 12-yo me and said "in a decade, you'll find more compelling characters and fulfilling gameplay in farming sims than most RPGs", she'd be more doubtful, but the fact that it's true is... so depressing >.>
I remember being pissed even as a kid that they removed spellmaking when skyrim came out, Morrowind was always the og champ
And that's exactly why they turned out the way they did.
@@PrincessStabbityPLS Play pathfinder wrath of the righteous. Best rpg in 20 years (yes better than baldurs gate 3 although that game was a 9/10 for me so very good)
I'm old fart who would tolerate the aged mechanics but the stories suck, characters have no life in them. Every single bethesda game before starfield had a better stories and immersion.
Isn't that mainly because they had pre-established lore to "work" with in fallout and elder scrolls? Starfield simply shows their inability to write stories
@@vexile1239 Emil literally had a empty canvas to work with. And what does he come up with? Cowboy's in space and a neon city( whooaa look pretty colors).
It's pathetic.
Not FO76 but I agree with what you’re saying.
@@Odder-Beingcowboys in space would be amazing. Cowboy Bebop as a game? I'd preorder that sheet. We had these during PS2 era. A modern take on them would be so dope
A tabletop game run in the elder scrolls setting with fifteen year olds would be more interesting
I don't understand, they said themselves, "players don't want to play our games, they want to live in it"
And somehow don't make their games as immersive as possible
Because why would they do what they say...
... When you'll just eat the slop?
Oink, oink.
@@The13thRonin and the number of people who will keep buying their games is staggering
@@Rayfireful Nobody wants to live in a bug filled game.
@@RayfirefulI don’t think that number will stay steady if they keep releasing things like Starfield. I played Skyrim, Fallout 3, Fallout: NV, and Fallout 4. My favorite two games, with mods, are Skyrim VR and Fallout 4.
I didn’t know what to expect going into Starfield. I bought it, played 1.5 hours and instantly recognized the bad patterns from the previous games had been dialed to 11 when the factions sounded uninteresting, the game nonsensically gave me a space ship and then told me to go exterminate a bunch of pirates, and the technology was the most generic soft scifi I’ve ever seen. I returned the game, and the only way I will ever buy it is at 75% off and once modders have overhauled everything about it.
Based on the reviews and comments I am far from the only person to buy and return the game.
It didn’t have to be that way. Bethesda didn’t have to lose many paying customers.
@@Rayfirefulbecause there's far more stupid /
uneducated / people with more money than sense than there has any right to be in the modern age.
I recently played through the Fallout 4 mod Sim Settlements 2 (great mod btw) and it was amazing to see what a group of talented modders can do with such an old engine.
It really leaves you to wonder what sort of people are working at Bethesda nowadays ...
Where the fuck is my canvas backpack Bethesda?!?
it in the mail since 2018...
or the world shortage of canvas is still affecting us?
@@arch1107 🤣🤣😆
i don't know where it is but it's probably smelling funny -_-
You guys still didn’t get those?
I got my new vegas canvas backpack.
When Witcher3 came out, i thought to myself that games will need to change, cause i want more of this. I want adult story, interesting side quest, and NPC's trying to intimidate people rather than being clear souless bots. I was wondering how will other studios adapt, then Fallout4 came out. I realized, they wont adapt :D Almost a decade later, and bethesda still refuses to adapt :D
Oh well, there are so many good games out there, i dont need to waste my time with Bethesda.
You want hentai. We don't want hentai.
Just got to speak with our wallets, the last modern game I actually bought was Giga bash and that's basically Godzilla Destroy All Monsters Melee but kind of an arcade cartoonish art style which fits it perfectly if you can get into the game
Really something when we have all these games coming out with deep mature stories and characters coming out while Bethesda games are coming out more childish and insipid.
Plenty of WAY better game and rpg games are coming out these days. I used to love Bethesda but they can kiss my ass now. Haven’t given them money since I got my FO76 refund.
People buy thier shit games so they dont need to improve
It might be time for Todd to step down, He's only holding Bethesda back with his ego
Emil as well
Nahhhh
Even if he did its too late microsoft owns all the IP now
He said he's retiring after ES6 which sucks because he'll probably ruin that game
Todd's ruined every IP he's been in charge of, distilling them to their dumbest, laziest form.
Considering how insane Witchers Curent Writers have been on Twitter, just straight up lying that they dont hire on esg and only hire on skill while their website disproves that entirely lmao.
Mayby witcher 4 is comparable to Elder scrolls 6 after all.
Toxic positivity, they can't handle anything other than you are doing great. Imagine having that attitude in whatever work you do
The era of narcissist
yep, they would be in prison already (pharmaceutical QC analyst here) for negligence.
Imagine that type of attitude anywhere outside of media/gaming/tech
"I know the building is still burning down with children trapped inside, but youre doing great! After you finish your break give it your best shot!"
"I know the cars engine literally blows up after 20k miles, but you tried your best, dont listen to the haters!"
I don't know how you're seeing any of that here. What I'm seeing is: they gave up. I'm not seeing any positive feeling, but a negative depression. Sure, publicly some like Pagliarulo pretend everything is fine, because PR. But they know.
@@octavianpopescu4776 if they gave up, they would not have PR for anything.
It goes like this, I explain my current situation at the end:
The higher ups cannot be criticised and then the rule of "shite only goes downhill" applies. As such, You are stuck with incompetent fools at the top, bootlickers under them (which is 50/50 - either useless yesmen, or competent people without spine to stand up to BS) and then it all falls on You and Your colleagues at the bottom. I have it in my current job, the lab director is an economist who previously worked in automotive, the lab manager is not pushing him to any direction and we are stuck with being understaffed/too many samples (average wait time to complete the analysis went up from 2 weeks to 1.5 months in several departments - HPLC dep where I work had 2 months delay, we were working overtimes for 4 months straight to lower it to 1 week delay), half of the equipment is not GLP suitable anymore due to lack of internal investment (just today, 2 pressure valves under 450 bar pressure went flying across the lab, one is about 1.5k $) while company is not making profit. The bussiness is literally under the fire.
The same is usually present and can be seen in those firms, just from overall chaos, dev vs management statements, strikes, botched releases, crunch, leaks, etc. The only difference that I have observed is that they are usually overstaffed in management.
One more thing that should be said about Bethesda: they are taking FOREVER to release something very minor and underwhelming. I don’t understand what in Shattered Space took a whole YEAR to finish. Every Starfield update has been very small and limited, yet they only release like one every 3 months.
There are some serious issues with Bethesda’s development process.
Well if we take into account that they don't even use design documents, its probably safe to assume that them trying to accomplish anything is likely ending up in complete chaos.
They couldn't even stick to their QoL update timeline.
well they have no structure in what they do. Pretty much no one knows what any one else are doing at any given time. so the entire studeo is in complete caos at any given point in their development. so it's a minior miracle they end up releasing any thing at all.
Honestly, this is likely because they know the game is a flop. The best strategy is to invest as little time into it while trying to drive up as much profit as they can. Hence Shattered Space.
In my opinion, Shattered Space and the Bounty Hunting Creators Club mod all should've been FREE updates. Nobody mentions how it took them a YEAR to add a simple rover, too.
They think they've done nothing wrong and so will continue to pull this. We saw the red flags with F04 and definitely 76. Have no idea why anyone suspected Starfield to be any better.
Updates will stop in another year, I guarantee it. Bethesda will be lucky if they don't get bought out or have massive lay-offs come Elder Scrolls 6. A game nearly two years out still. To make no mention of the modding community, not even the modding community wants to touch or fix this game.
Which is a HUGE problem for Bethesda because that's literally the only reason people buy their games. Is so they can mod them.
They'll NEVER be able to repackage and sell Starfield like they do Skyrim.
they didn't use design documents for this game. also I bet their coding base is an utter nightmare. I do not envy Bethesda employees right now.
"We have no idea of what to expect of this studio anymore" that's not true, we can expect shit and if it's not shit they surprise us
this is what happens when u milk skyrim fo for over 10 years instead of working on sequel. All talents gone
Again
If Emil is apart of the writing team
Any game Bethesda pushes out will be dog shit. Why are people not realizing this?
I work with a bunch of engineers, and I am WAY less intelligent than all my coworkers to the point of feeling incompetent at times. But then I remember that Emil still has a job at Bethesda and realize I may not be so incompetent after all.
Emil is Bethesda’s version of Tom King. It doesn’t matter how much money he looses the company, or how much fans say they don’t like his writing, the company will never let him go because he’s a little nepotism darling.
I see Emil as Shyamalan. He had half a good questline with the oblivion dark brotherhood and that somehow catapulted his career.
Emil managed to take K.I.S.S. and completely run the concept into the ground.
Emil is like early versions of AI, something is a bit off with it...
Can we take a minute to realize that skyrim grandma is supposed to have a cameo in elder scrolls 6 and she just recently announced that she’s retiring from skyrim play throughs because she’s tired of playing it… I seriously have doubts that bethesda has done anything with her and if they don’t do anything, even though they promised us they would, it would be absolutely disrespectful to not only her but the entire community.
As if Bethesda gives a fuck. They have treated their customers like garbage for decades, and that's not gonna change.
Sure it would be nice to see Shirley Curry (Skyrim grandma) in a future TES game, but i doubt they would do her justice. If they accualy would end up putting her in it they still gonna find a way to fuck it up, and then blame the customers for it.
At least we have the mod for Skyrim to have her as a companion, voiced by Shirley herself.
Kinda jumping to conclusions, it's incredibly normal for her to be tired of playing the game, she's done it for so long, max I can tolerate a game is 200 hours and she played Skyrim for 9 years. Not to mention she created content for it too, at such an old age. There is probably no drama about her retiring. The question is if Bethesda will actually manage to release ES6 before she passes away. They already disrespected her enough by releasing all kinds of trash nobody wanted instead of ES6 for so long.
@@masterblaster2678 I agree. You can play the game for so long until you get tired of playing it. My only concern is if they honor what they promised and put her in the game and if they release es6 when she’s still around to see it.
They showed her model in a dev vlog video before.
People realize NOW that TES6 will most likely be Dogwater?
I've accepted that since Fallout 4 and 76.
The signs were there guys.
This exactly. That announcement was as surprising as nintendo announcing they are making a Mario game. Except ironicly, Nintendo made 3 Mario games since that announcement.
76 yes, 4 is at least serviceable
Bethesda fans are bots. They'll literally buy cat turds as long as it has Bethesda's name on it. Elderscrolls 6 is gonna have massive preorders and probably win game of the year.
@@oniuserjh I’m not paying 60 dollars for a “serviceable” game. Which Fo4 wasn’t btw, it was trash.
The moment that I heard Elder Scrolls 6 would still use creation engine, I immediately knew this game was going to under-deliver
A decade ago there were two studios whom I trusted so much I'd happily buy any of their games, sight unseen; Bethesda and Bioware. Today there are still two studios whim I trust so much I'll happily buy their games, sight unseen; Larian and CD Projekt Red. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Cd project red actively made sure no one of their reviewers whould reveal how broken Cyberpunk was before launch.
So how can you trust cd project red out all companies? This isint even counting in the massive lie they got caught in recently about not hireing on DEI practices wich their own website disproved.
@@draw2death421 I trust their development team, not their marketing team. Plus there are two things to consider here:
First and foremost is that they fixed Cyberpunk. With so many other broken games coming out and being abandoned it was refreshing to see a team actually put the work in to make their game what people wanted, and they did it for free. CD Projekt Red and Cyberpunk 2077 deserve every single ounce of praise people have given to No Man's Sky and its developer because its basically the exact same situation, only Cyberpunk was fixed in a year, not five years.
Secondly, and this is the one that fans hate to admit, CD never lied about Cyberpunk. Yes review copies were staggered out in shady ways, and yes the trailers didn't show the real state of last gen versions of the game, but not one promised feature was cut from the game. The issue was a lot of people were under the impression that they had been promised more than they actually were. Short version of that is that a Polish language interview was made, and promptly misquoted. Then the misquote was mistranslated. Then that mistranslated misquote was posted on Reddit and all the American gaming news sites started misquoting the mistranslated misquote without fact checking it or going back to the original source. In a nut shell "they never said that."
@@arkhamcreed4326shouldve just delayed it if they had self respect
Todd's not wrong: it WAS too different from what we had seen in the past. We were used to seeing great stories, memorable characters, and enthralling experiences. Even the weakest Elder Scrolls games are better written than anything in Starfield.
I wouldn't exactly accuse Bethesda of great stories, memorable characters, or enthralling experiences, quite the opposite actually
As soon as I saw the repeat of the Skyrim release date advertising I didn't bother. 1. THey banked on Skyrim nostalgia 2. No in-game footage 3. No expaination of the game other than whining about the work it took to LOOK the way it does (biiiig texture files bore or less, something they've always done but out of laziness), nothing more.
I'm done. They can fuck around with new things, but don't try to sell it to me and pretend it's a finished game. It's insulting.
@@EvilGlennV2 They have had some decent or good moments with some of that, but yeah, they never pushed the envelope.
They had been slowly whittling down on what they are known for, Fallout 4 is where it started becoming very noticeable (IE ripping out RPG elements), and Starfield just... Well, self explanitory right there...
Exactly what great story did Bethesda ever made? The Dragonborn chosen one who fights the big baddie?
The lifeless parent looking for their son - pigeon holding you into a linear experience?
Finding your dad to make the water clean?
I’m lost because outside of good world building Bethesdas stories have always been dog shit
@@Tr3yCharlz Good =/= Great, They have very specific bits that were good, but they aren't great, there's too many flaws, and most of the time it's ok.
Also Finding Shaun is imo stupid... It's hard to care about a character you didn't spend much time with, yet the narrative forces you to care.
And to find out he's a dumbass narcissist who claims to be Humanity's best hope, when all he does is kidnap/kill people, and replace them with clones aka Gen 3 synths.
I wish they would try and improve their downsides... But you know how Emil is: "I'm perfect and fuck anyone who says otherwise" jesus... He's holding Bethesda back...
4:35 The false narrative that Fallout 76 pulled a No Man Sky and delivered a good game after years of game updates and polishing is peak Bethesda shill gaslighting.
76 could be the game of the decade now and I still would not care. I refuse to financially support the way they treated fans.
It’s drastically improved but that’s only because the main bethesda studio has nothing to do w its development anymore.
It is a little better
i think their careers and bank balance needs to take a huge hit.
Instead they got fat stacks from Microsoft buyouts. Nesmith and Hines along with many devs took the money deal and bailed from this sinking ship but the big two Emil and Todd are literally millionaires and forces to honour Microsoft deal even if Bethesda is a sinking ship.
Yeah, when creative directors start having to budget their gas money perhaps they'll give some consideration to every other human on the planet saying the same thing, adapt or die. Jesus, what a fucking mess of a company
They made Fallout76 and ESO to ensure that never happens.
On the 10th of november 2011, I was waiting in line for midnight to get my copy of Skyrim
For TES6, i'll be waiting in line in the review sections.
0:16 I recently went back to fallout 4 and I looked at mods. Lots of them are fixes for the game or just additions to the Game that if we are being honest, should've been implemented in any number of Quality of Life patches.
The bugs and glitches are lore, there residual effects from the nukes.
@beeeazy9818 my favorite enemy type is the jumping rad car
The problem with starfield was hardly AI generated stuff. That game had like 10 pieces of HAND CRAFTED stuff that was randomly placed around. Actual procedural generation would have been much preferred.
Personally I just want a few hand crafted planets. We don’t need a million empty planets that add nothing to the game lol
@@CaspeaonThey decided to be super anal about "not copying no mans sky" so empty planets were a complete waste of time. You can't really do anything on them, and you can't just have fun seeing the sights because they're ultra barren and you can't even fly a ship in atmosphere
Agreed. They spent thousands of hours working on the procedural generation back end ... and then just gave it a small handful of set pieces to work with. They didn't even give it any real variation of the set pieces, so once you've been to an abandoned listening post you've been to *ALL* the abandoned listening posts. Having randomized loot lying on a table or having it filled with spacers instead of pirates does almost nothing to count for a perceived variation of the set piece. Even the one with the artifact just has a cave pasted on to a hallway. The rest of it's the same. They made a lot of great improvements to the engine but then they did nothing to show it off, and even hobbled it with massive repetition.
Procedurally generated you mean. In order for something to be AI it has to use a neural network. If Bethesda had used AI it at least would have been somewhat better.
Cataclysm DDA, Dwarf Fortress, RimWorld all have heavy procedural elements and are legendary games in my opinion. Starfield just sucks, procedural or not. The handcrafted parts are garbage too.
Todd would be better finding a buyer for the IPs at this point. There needs to be new creative leads on these games - fresh ideas and hungry developers. Complacency kills.
Completely agree. There are soo many better studious out there that would do sutch a better jobb than bethesda. And if not sell the IP's, atleast lease them out or somthing like the sort.
Todd can't sell the IPS, the IPs belong to Microsoft
@@mr-x7689If I don't know these days. I feel like some studios could maybe give us a better product but would just milk us with microtransactions because Elder Scrolls is so popular
And there’s no developer more complacent than Bethesda these days.
@@MrSpartan993 I feel like they've been complacent since Oblivion. That was the last great game they've made personally.
The real issue is we, as gamers, ate to blame. Yeah, we complain and piss and moan. But we keep pre-ordering. We keep accepting games with bugs in them. The fact that you said "we all know games ate going to have bugs in them" just goes to show how much we have been groomed to put up with. I've been gaming for 40 years. I've watched the decline of the gaming industry in general.
The first thing that started all this was the bean counters, the finance people, realized how much money there was to be made. But those people have a different business model than the original gaming industry. They're not willing g to wait 7 or 8 years for a game that might make 100 million dollars. They want a steady revenue stream. That's one of the reasons we have buggy games, microtransactions, and "horse armor."
They've used hype marketing to get gamers to give them money before they even finish a game.
If gamers as a whole would just stop pre-ordering games and stop buying them before there are some game reviews. All of these bad actors would disappear.
I know what people will say, well we wouldn't get all these games if we did that. That's just plain cope. They'd make BETTER games because they know there's money to be made and if they have to invest for 5 or 6 years and pay game devs good money and hire enough devs to make it happen, then they would. But they know they don't have to because gamers will put up with their crap.
I remember a time when if a company did not release review copies of their game. No one would buy it. Now they run some cool cgi movies, and gamers start drooling.
It really falls on all of us for letting them do this to us. The game companies don't care. Even starfield made them money, lots of money and is continuing to make them Okey thru MTs.
STOP PRE-ORDERING, STOP BUYING GAMES UNTIL THEY'RE REVIEWED.
If we all really did that game companies would start making good games again. No matter how many excuses you come up with, that is the real truth.
We should be on Elder Scrolls 8 by now, and 9 should be dropping at the end of 2025.
to be fair, a open world like skyrim takes time, it seems that most companies develop a game this big in like 7 years, if we had games this fast from them, they had to be doing those projects since like 3 years before tes 5
knowing how bethesda likes to have bugs and glitches, it would be like fo76 destorying consoles and similar crap
i dont see it happening tbh, and that is fine, but i would like to see tes 6 like, last year, instead of starfail
A bit much, but we should have already played 6 by now and waiting for 7 to release soon.
CONSIDERING that most of Starfield was procedurally generated and is just a recycled mess of the same assets, I don’t know where all the time went, honestly. With that work strategy we really should have more games than we have.
Yes, there are a thousand planets, but there are only so many variations of the same old assets, which is VERY limiting for exploration.
Vampire the masquarade bloodlines had better facial animation than all Bugthesda games.
Hell, Halo 3 from 2007 has better facial animations than Starfield. Bethesda is the worst in the AAA industry when it comes to quite a few things. Combat, cut scenes, facial animations, AI, simply having a character walk without bugging out...
I genuinely don't understand how Bethesda has even gotten to where they are. Their games have always been half-assed buggy unfinished messes with truly horrendous writing that would even make a first year English literature undergrad feel ashamed.
But not better sex animations
I really hope the new bloodlines game is good my I am not getting my hopes up.
Hines was a petulant, passive aggressive and disloyal member of the team for well over a decade. Glad he's gone.
the fact I cannot even deny that, says a damned lot about Bethesda...
The Elder Scrolls VI: Californication.
If it took after the tv series, I'd play that.
Complete with pronouns in a medieval world, full of racism! You know for realism!
🎶NPCs still give you shit no matter your skill in Persuasion🎶
🎶And story's so dumbed down it takes roleplaying outta the equation🎶
🎶And if you like this kinda games it's Bethesdification🎶
@@Zorothegallade-rpgunderrated comment
This is probably so accurate is makes me angry.
This section after 16:43 really annoyed me. Making excuses as to why they publish early because holding off would only make it better and not perfect, and that they don't want to publish the known list of bugs because it would hurt marketing. Well here's a crazy thought. Maybe don't release the game until you feel comfortable publicly sharing the list of known bugs at release? There's the line you aim for, it's not unknown.
I don’t think we need an insider to tell us ES6 will disappoint.
Can someone else just please make a game that captures what we loved about open world Bethesda games back in the day? Jesus fucking Christ
I'm hoping Wayward Realms turns out good. Being made by old Bethesda devs and writers.
I literally came here to say The Wayward Realms lol
Have high hopes for Avowed by Obsidian.
Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon is pretty good, and currently in early access. It has a free demo, if you want to try it out and see for yourself.
Tainted Grail feels like a current/last gen Morrowind, it's on EA but releasing next year
2028? 18 years since skyrim released... fucking hell man it better be good. I cant believe its kicked down the road this far
Time since last game doesn't matter when they didn't start development until recently.
It's not going to be good if it's on Gamebyro, especially in 2028.
14:40 - The expectations of your clientele isn't something a company should seek to meet. It's something they should strive to exceed.
Starfeld would have been the ultimate game to lockout content for replayability. Run through one storyline locking you out of others then getting the chance to redo mistakes or complete another path as a Starborn then ultimately being able to complete a wholly different campaign one you’ve learned all the paths. Such a waste.
That might have been the original intention but they completely dropped the ball with the abysmal and boring writing.
Yeah... I don't think the engine is the problem to be honest. The graphics are actually not bad, It's the lack of gameplay elements. Starfield is basically empty space with so much lost potential...
It was basically a perfect setup for Bethesda to experiment and they completely blew it. They could've made essential NPCs killable and it wouldn't matte since you can always go to another universe.
Bethesda has two massive problems.
Problems 1: it will have taken 20 years to release the next game. Most people that were solely skyrim fans will have grown up and moved on by then.
Problem 2: Modding, by that I mean you have mod list for skyrim were every texture is in true 4k, followers have AI chat bots attached to make them true living NPC illusion. Combat mods that make the game play way better turn spam power attack against guy in basic armor.
Skyrim was my favorite game. Now I just want 6 so Bethesda will stop updating 5
Are they even updating 5? Last I checked every re-release of Skyrim was filled with the same bugs that have existed since 2011.
Lol bro, I'm been "grown up" since morrowind!
@MessioticRambles yes, with the release of anniversary addition was a massive update to add the third version of paid mods.
4K is a gimmick, bro. lmao
@IncognitoActivado gimmick or not but if you search for even a short of a modern skyrim wabbajack list and you can see a skyrim worthy of the PS5. A skyrim with thick massive forest, dark soul combat, stealth like you would see in a older assassin creed. Massive hour long quest chains about realm hoping and whole new world
My expectations for TESVI are at rock bottom and I still expect to be disappointed.
rock bottom before or after taking out the excavator? Might reach your expectation for the latter
Heck, my expectations for them would take me to the center of the earth
I expect to be very satisfied with not buying it.
My expectations for starfield were rock bottom and I didn't feel anything. Didn't even feel smug.
@@Alpha1598753 We're talking Minecraft bedrock here
IMO game studios that allow player mods should be allowed to use these mods in game updates if they wish. They give you permission to mod, you then should give permission for them to use the mods. I think this disconnect keeps a lot of games from being great without mods.
Bethesda needs to be dissolved at this point. I don't want to see Elder Scroll brought down to starfield's level of quality. I'd rather it never come out.
Elder scrolls has been degrading since morrowind, they've been cutting features since that game
Same.
After how trash Fallout 76 and Starfield was, i have no expectations for Bethesda at this point. Fallout 4 was the last decent game they made.
fallout 4 was shit. The worst writing i have ever seen in a bethesda game. What the fuck are you smoking to think that game was good?
Fallout 76 is just a port of Fallout 4. "16 TIMES THE DETAIL."
Even calling Fallout 4 "decent" is stretching it
Nah the last decent bathesta game was the one made by obsidian..
People forget how disappointed a lot of Elder Scrolls fans felt like Skyrim was a dumbed down game for the masses
CDProjekt didn't switch to Unreal in order to improve things. They switched because they no longer had staff who even understood it so they went with a catch all save.
I’m reeeeally tired of the CDPR dick riding. 2077 was a massive failure in development.
Losers.
yep. cdpr is a shell of its former self
that and the fact that a game engine is hard to develop and maintain, and offer very little in return, not having unreal and other popular game engines available
no, they realized that the amount of time and money that would go into the engine to update it wasn't worth it. Stop it with the nonsensical attempt to confirm your biases you sound like far lefties trying to convince themselves of complete cope.
Excellent video. Well put together
0:39 Why not? Todd Howard an Emil are both millionaires, have super awesome benefits, retirement, severance packages, bonuses, time off, ALL the perks. They don't care, why do something to rock the boat?
I think that specifically modern Bethesda formula doesn't work. I reckon if they returned to the Morrowind era and made it a little bit less jank and approachable, people would buy that.
I am just waiting for some dev team to do what TES does and revert it back to an actual RPG like morrowind.
Yeah, the formula still is fire, but Bethesda's modern execution is so ass is barely resembles their roots.
Just commission the skyrim modding community to make tes 6 at this point
Nolvus v6 coming soon!
honestly though
@@thats.me.ashley4893 wait, fr?
Feel like that’s the Beyond Skyrim projects at this point.
@@JerecKatarn which’ll release roughly at the same time as tes 6 if ive been keeping up
I wanted to agree with you but I don't. I think people DO want more Skyrim and more Fallout "replays." The formula DOES work, but they've broken away from the formula with fallout 76 and starfield with online and procedurally generated content. If Starfield was HUGE, SPACE Skyrim, it would have been a bombshell. I'd have bought it, but review after review complaining about the lack of meaningful exploration, the same cookie cutter NPCs and quests planet after planet, made it sound like they're running into the same issues as No Man's Sky to a worse extent, seeing as NMS has been spending the last 10 years making procedural generation work for them. If starfield was handcrafted, it would have followed the formula and WOULD have worked. They are not following their formula, and are doubling down on the consumer being the problem. They very much need to GO BACK to what works.
There are at least a half dozen studios I would trust to make ES6 before Bethesda. the ONLY value they have is in their ownership of the Fallout and Elder Scrolls IPs. I wish Microsoft could have Obsidian make the next games.
Obsidian is dead now too.
Thing is they would have been the perfect team to at least take on FO while bethesda was making TES
There's only left by my count.
@@Stinkyremy
How is obsidian dead? I think they do fine with the budget they get. Far better than BGS.
@@Stinkyremy Obsidian is FAR from dead, lol. 20 million+ units sold on Grounded. How many on Outer Worlds? We've got Avowed coming, we've got Outer Worlds 2 coming, and scuttlebutt says Grounded 2 is in pre-production as well. FAR from dead, lol. In a much better place than most AAA studios are these days.
Nah Obsidian fell off. The people behind NV and their other good games are mostly gone. Outer Worlds, while definitely not Starfield bad, was definitely not it, chief. That game felt like it was trying really hard to recreate the magic of New Vegas but the ability just wasn't there.
Their formula isn’t working anymore isn’t accurate. Their formula did work but they lost it. Their games have regressed. They could have done nothing and been in better shape than they are now.
the bethesda formula for games isn't the issue they need to go back to them, maybe as far back as Morrowind, every new game loses so much of what made the formula so great.
They need to go back to Oblivion, Morrowind, and Daggerfall eras for sure and restore all the cut content. Elder Scrolls used to be an actual real RPG and a sim-lite.
@@probablynotdad6553 oblivion is fine if they get rid of the level scaling and horrible loot :> I love that the two best areas to farm loot were 3 feet from towns, and oblivion gates just sucked. Made an effort to explore every dungeon, only to find shitty stuff except 2 dungeons, really killed my enjoyment of the game.
when i think back to what made skyrim so great it was getting lost. it was finding a cave on the way to my quest objective and exploring it, then 2 minutes later finding a fort and exploring it. taking 2 hours to get to a quest objective that should’ve taken 5 minutes. that’s what made skyrim so great to me. and i went into starfield expecting that, and i really didn’t get it at all. instead it took 3 different loading screens to get to my quest objective, finding nothing of interest on the way, and immediately going through another 3 loading screens to get to the next one. that is what killed starfield for me, and what makes modding it such a waste of time. honestly, as long as elder scrolls 6 has one big open world with plenty of handmade unique locations, it will already leagues better than starfield.
@@creamyusbport4647 they should have made like 6 to 8 really deep explorable planets with towns etc. Different factions would have been a lot better.
If you want to understand why Bethesda games are getting worse, one very important reason is: look at who are no longer there. Starfield shows an utter lack of creativity. It’s just repackaged animations and mechanics. Compare TES where you could play as a multitude races to Starfield where it’s just humans. It’s empty and shallow, and I have no confidence that TES6 will return to the fun and enjoyment of Skyrim, even with mods.
As of watching this video, Fallout 4 has almost double the number of players on Steam than Starfield (13,396 to 7,034). Incredible.
Even Holocure (a free fan game on Steam) will have more numbers than Starfield once the next update drops.
So... What Bethesda is saying is, they don't have any actual programmers in house anymore and the staff they DO have ONLY know how to use the creation kit, that's why the modders have to fix the SAME THINGS every new game.
I think they have one malnourished used-to-be-great autistic savant locked in a basement churning out creation engine content that they whip to make em improve the decades old gamebryo base to try and do impossible wonders, while it shrieks in agony of the impossible things asked of it, incapable of escape as it's skin has fused to the leather chair during decades of sitting. Every now and then Todd goes in there and pets it's head, smiles and comforts it, encouraging it to keep going with promises of 16 times the detail.
and ever year they they get more and more into tech debt. Bethesda games are obsolete now they might as well be Atari 2600 games when ES6 comes out
God I hate youtube so much. First they auto-delete the comment I leave for who knows why, then they proceed to give me notifications of replies to that message my comment isn't even on anymore.
for years now our expectations have always been "i want old game but slightly better", if they cant meet those expectations what are they doing, kicking rocks?
This is what games used to be! The change from Pokémon Red to Pokémon Silver is a perfect example. Same type of game, but with a little added and with more polish. As a consumer, I know what I’m getting and as a business they know what they’re doing and they can release faster.
18:35 thats the main problem with them and what makes a game like New Vegas so much better, the fact they have the blueprint with their own engine right there but they refuse to follow it..
Current day Bethesda feels so bad, I know people who bought FO4 on PC for the sole reason of playing the London mod, me included and fyi, I played FO4 on console before and felt no reason to buy it on PC till London mod was teased...
But back to the point I tried to make... Current day Bethesda relies so heavily on the community to fix their games for them, it looks like over the years they've been losing the notion to make great games on their own and just create "sandboxes" for people to do whatever they want without putting much effort into making them interesting (or functional).
I’m playing FO4 on PS5 now, very disappointed, game looks like a decade older compared to Witcher 3 came out the same year.
@@Kecinlin Shit... I genuinely forgot that Witcher and FO4 came out the same year.
03:14 WTF is that slide supposed to mean? Great Games are played not made???????? Thats literally not how any of this works. I guess i have to look for that presentation to get... something i hope.
That presentation is a mess
You have to find it for entertainment value alone
Translation: we throw paint at the wall, see what sticks, and then let modders do the rest of the work for free.
How does that slogan play out for Tic-Tac-Toe? It is a great game when your turn is always the first turn.
i believe they call that per-emptive corporate distribution of blame. Make sure your devs know that nothing they can do they will ever be held accountable for, and thus they should not hold upper management accountable for anything. And everyone can cash their checks on Friday, and make fun of the fans all weekend. Whatever keeps the big boys at Microsoft writing those checks.
People keep buying Bethesda garbage, why would they change. The biggest mistake made with Starfield was buying it.
5:59 What happened to that part in the game? I swear that happened in the beginning when you fight the first dragon, right? I thought I was going crazy until I saw this clip. This never happens in any new play throughs I have done in the last 5+ years. Did they remove the giant from that fight? Or did this happen in some other quest I can't find again?
Wouldve been really cool if Bethesda heard us properly. I want to Fallout game where a few of my buddies can drop-in, drop-out, and they make an MMO thing.
This, fallout would be amazing with friends, even more with random encounters.
Like fallout76
@@Melinmingle Is this you Todd? No, not Fallout 76. A game built from the ground up to be single player like 1, 2, 3, NV, and 4 THEN the ADDITIONAL option to have a few friends join THAT game.
I don't think BethesdaGS is capable to keeping up with time, no Todd and definitely not Emil can save TES6 at this point.
save? they are causing this situation basically, if they leave and all falls apart or if they stay and game crashes, it will be their fault, one way or another
or the game doesnt suck, or it is the end
*"At Bethesda, the games we were making were so big, we had to take the approach of, 'Everybody's go to be able to do this at some point.'"*
That makes no sense. The larger your game, the _more_ you must embrace the idea that no individual player will experience all of the content, at least not within a single playthrough.
An immersive, emergent open-world game should be designed such that the average player experiences only a minority of the content in a single playthrough, and that the majority of people who play the game will never experience all of it.
A developer should understand and embrace the concept: "It _might_ be that no individual player experiences all of the content --- _but all of the content will be experienced by players."_
Absolutely this.
Hell, Larian proves the point with BG3. I have hundreds of hours in the game, and I still haven't done half the things the game has to do.
Starfield, experience 99% of the game in your 1st completion, minus a few sentence changes for the new game+ BUT if Larian did a New Game Plus mode.
The ENTIRE reason for moving to Unreal is that the majority of talent in the industry are experienced with Unreal and thus replacing staff and getting new hires up to speed is much quicker than trying to teach a new employee an obsolete game engine.
I think the main reason for Bethesda sticking to Creation is for their personal job security. Bethesda know that if they switched to Unreal their entire staff would be scrutinized and more easily replaced.
Oh Great !! wait till 2028 to be disappointed !
Lol 2028? You mean 2032 at the earliest.
I'm waiting for it, but I don't know what it's going to be like. I'll see when I get there. And it's not like I'm counting the days. I have other things to do in my life than wait for a video game. And even regarding video games, there are other games to play. So, I'm just patient and we'll see what happens then. No need to speculate and declare anything good/bad in advance. We'll see the finished product and go from there. If it's good, it's good, if it's bad, it's bad... it is what it is. But first, let's get there and see.
We legit will probably be on a new consol, this gen is already over 4 years old
We'll see the second coming of Christ before we get 6
The best thing Bethesda could do for the next Elder Scrolls title is going back and reviewing (playing the games and talking with the fan base) everything that worked well from Morrowind - Skyrim. What quest lines were the most memorable, what mechanics were more fleshed out then the others, which game worlds had more to explore and ways to explore, etc. Take pieces of what made the previous titles so immersive and start from there, try to build on them but don't make them trivial. Here are some examples:
- Layered clothing and armor from Morrowind, lets players have different combinations for looks and scenarios. Also bring back being able to wear more than 1 ring.
- Spell making, being able to create some amazing / game breaking spells.
- Equipment wear and tear, item degradation makes sense and it's immersive. One moment your gear is solid and a few hours later you could be in a dungeon and your weapon breaks. Kept me on my toes.
- Bring back Oblivion's lock picking mini game, that one was more interactive and immersive than Morrowind's or Skyrim's. Also bring back Morrowind's magically trapped doors or chests. That could be another Oblivion-like mini game.
- Keep Skyrim's black smithing but possibly add in Fallout 4's weapon modding mechanics. If not for weapon changing effects it could be for weapon altered appearance.
- Take a page from Fallout New Vegas, if weapons and armor found is unique.... make them look AND function uniquely.
- Make ALL Factions mentioned or dealt with in game joinable and give them a story quest line or radiant quests. Make them have rival faction altercations / combat. (e.g. Blackwood Company, Mythic Dawn, Order of the Black Worm, Silver Hand, etc.)
- Don't try and shoehorn real world politics or ideologies into the game.
I have way more examples but you get the picture. They have so much they can reuse and improve with, they don't need to reinvent the wheel here. They just need to listen to the fans and go against what the corpo share holders want to force them to do. Fight to make something great and not just take the easy path to push out another F76 / Starfield turd for a quick buck. Also, stop this nonsense with micro-dlc transactions in a SINGLE PLAYER GAME....
Just look at the highly revered Hollywood. Directors of moves these days NEVER read the source material. And with the gaming industries massive inferiority complex towards Hollywood they won't either.
That would require Bethesda to give a crap, and frankly, given the state of their games, they obviously don't.
I think listening to fans is very difficult for bethesda, since they have many different fans who want different TES games. I for example hate equipment degradation. And I fear the majority of the community hates the oblivion lockpicking minigame, at least from what I've read.
If you ask for the last good TES game before Bethesda "ruined it", you will get answers going from Daggerfall to Skyrim.
That said I generally support your sentiment. Escpecially in regards of micro-DLCs, which sadly seem to produce to much money for them to be abandoned...
The talented people have obviously left the company. Just one more large studio coasting on achievements they can no longer accomplish.
the people that owrked in tes 5 already retired from the industry, that game began development in like 2007, same for people in fo4
i think that is part of the problem, also the good writers we had, already died, this is a real problem
Appreciate ya. Thanks for sharing.
I used to think the engine was at fault, but seeing what modders do with that old engine made me realise that Bethesda just sucks, there are mods out there that change the game completely from animations to rpg systems so yeah no it's not the engine they just suck ballz. There are mods out there that turn Skyrim into Dark Souls I mean come on.
You have new designers and developers replacing veteran ones. The new guys dont know the engine - the true engine - as well as the veterans do and it wouldnt be all that surprising if they learned how to code and design using Unreal Engine before being hired. Meanwhile, modders who have motivation - whether sentimental or otherwise - to stick with CE, have incredible knowledge of how it works and what its limitations are. So much so that when Bethesda makes a massive mistake, it is the modders who are telling us what happened and what needs to be done to fix it.
@@felixfeliciano7011 I'd agree with you if this wasn't happening for 20 year now, it's the same thing with every game of theirs.
The engine is dog shit. They have always sucked at face animation. Loading screens everywhere, they don't want to give up their item physics which really add very little to the game.
When you have games like RDR2 that set the bar so high with animations and map design. You shouldn't be surprised when players are disappointed in your low-quality game.
I some times wonder if TES 6 will keep up the tradition and have 16 times the loading screens of Starfield? Also doesn't Todd like to say something along the lines of "It's not how it launches, it's what it becomes." Which basically means we are going to work till the game is MVP then put it out for modders to do our job for us.
I mean anyone who doesn‘t see the writing on the wall by now is a lost cause anyway and will just buy any corporate trash.
Bethesda has seen a steady decline in quality for years.
FNV was a masterpiece, so was Skyrim. FO4 was noticeably worse but still kinda good. FO76 was a buggy mess. Starfield was an empty shell of a game.
Ironically, the worse their games get the more they try to hype them up in marketing. „16 times the details“.
Personally I haven‘t bought any Bethesda titles after FO4.
not even shocked.
almost no studio is putting out actual good games anymore. especially "legacy" studios.
Warhammer was pretty good
A big reason for them to not change engines in the robustness of its mod-ability. Mods absolutely sell Bethesda games and keep them relevant for many years, they don't wanna mess that up.
Where Starfield falls short is it's setting. Skyrim and Fallout can get away with being buggy and boring because the world they're set in is awesome, and mods will make them not boring/broken. Nobody cares about a space faction snoozefest since there's a ton of better space games. But there aren't many other open world medieval fantasy/post-apocalyptic games on the market.
That's also why FO76 was inherently flawed. You can't heavily mod online games without private servers, which'll act as a barrier to entry when each server has different modlists and fragments the playerbase
Tldr: Starfield bad, engine good 👍
FO76 could have worked the same way as Minecraft's modded servers and it would have been fine.
But yeah the engine is not the problem here. Its bethesda themselves.
UE5 coming with its own set of problems and I think CDPR decision to ditch RED Engine is a mistake. They finally got it going, they should stick with it.
All people who knew how to use red engine are gone from cdp red
@@KlaweKlapki Shame. I hope they will release the engine so anyone can pick it up and make games.
I'm pretty sure they drove everyone who knew the RED Engine away and have no other choice. They just dress it up as a calculated decision so they don't show their incompetence. There have been numerous reports that the employee churn at CDPR is insane.
@@Xalantor There are reports showing that their current crew isn't versed in UE5 either and everything progressing really slowly. Looks like they have serious problem with HR.
And the other thing is that with the changes to Starfield's engine, no-one wants to Mod Bethesda's games, and without Mods Bethesda games are mediocre, at best. On the other hand, Unreal already has a massive modding community, and all of them would start modding - and improving - Bethesda's games and make them popular again. Sticking with an engine that is 80 years old (in tech years) is insane.