AVOID These Watches IF You Value Your Money
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- AVOID REGRET! I'd seriously consider avoiding these watches IF you value your money.
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I purchased the Seiko 5 Sports 55th Anniversary Limited Edition. Not because it was a "Limited Edition", but because I liked the retro look of it. I didn't rush out and buy it for $450.00, I waited a while and picked it up for $350.00 which was a price that I could live with and closer to what I felt it was worth.
Same here, I waited a while and picked it up at $500.
Correct on the Seiko LEs, though there are some occasional genuine limited editions. I’ve got a Kosuke Kawamura Seiko 5 that was a genuine 500 piece LE from Seiko Boutique and still trades for 3x MSRP on Chrono24, which is strange… not that any watch is ever an investment of course
@@outcastkatsuki same thing happened with the stunning and surprisingly decently priced Seiko Alpinist Ginza Edition. It sold out within one week or so and now is very much sought after on the secondary market going for at least 1600 € (MSRP was 750 €). I don‘t remember the exact number it was limited to, but I think it was around 3000.
Found a gold digital PRX for £205 brand new and compared to any Casio digital I’ve owned it’s a lot better for not a whole lot more cash. The look isn’t for everyone though.
Yeah that watch is crazy overhated by casio snobs😂
What makes it better?
@@MrOceanusI prefer the bracelet on the PRX, the screen, the backlight and the feel on the wrist due to the size/weight. But I know £205 is still about 4 or 5 times the price of an A168 in the UK. And for 50 quid the A168 is brilliant.
Totally agree with the PRX digital and what you mentioned about upgrading your Casio. I did an SKXMod upgrade to my Royale. IP coated SS case and bracelet, 980HV hardness with an engraved titanium case back (1000HV), and sapphire crystal for £122! Watch is even more amazing now! Oh, and bracelet is screw adjusted with a fully milled clasp and 4 holes of micro adjustment!
Good to hear you're enjoying the SKXMOD kit. They're awesome!
IFL pops up on certain channels from time to time, so I'm glad to see the warranty problem highlighted.
Hopefully they'd honour a movement issue if something did go wrong. But it's certainly not STATED clearly in the TOS. I think the used market is a better place to buy an IFL if you wanted one
I'm with you on all your point's I feel I know enough To not buy poorly now. But it's easy to do as In reality most watches are, but if you can obtain good specs for a great price or what is deemed as reasonable to you, then I think that's OK. You never think down the line when you may want to sell it, and you make more than you purchased it. Think of it like purchasing a car.
I've recently began my obsession as a watch collector. And i must say- out of all the luxury brands I've been researching, for me the amzwatch's watches are the most intriguing.
My friend
You are unlike others in the watches scene . very sharp,very honest and daring .
You are addressing very important issues in the best way possible. Keep on.
With love and huge appreciation
Nizar
I appreciate that!
Timex takes a lickin, and second hand keeps on sticking!
🤣🤣
PRX digital works better in gold in my opinion, would have to be dirt cheap though 😂
I bought the Seiko 5 not because of " limited edition," because I liked it and it is "AFFORDABLE!!" Under 400 dollars ( US). The navigator limited edition for instance was much more.
Great video - I subscribed because of it
If Tissot reimagined the 35mm PRX digital with a high gloss black crystal and included a push button, dot matrix, green LED display that’s only visible when you push the button (like the Hamilton PSR) that would be cool and would do away with the huge negative space problem it currently has
On the 40mm? To be fair if they used the 40mm case and made a smart watch version they’d sell a bucket load to the younger audience they’re trying to target with the PRX
IFL watches? Buy used and quartz ONLY to minimise potential issues
And special editions? Better off with a micro brand if you want something different
Failing that look for something quirky like a modded Vostok or Seiko - properly done some of these are amazing
If exclusivity / rarity is what you want look for a specialist watch like a CWC, Vertex or Marathon
Yep! Clearly we think alike on most of these watches then. Good to hear your alternatives too!
Good information, thank you.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching
Can't seem to find vid backlog, but: what is the green dial/blue bezel one after Edifice? Many Thanks!
Have to differ with you on the Seiko front. Yep, 15k watches as a "limited" edition might sound silly on the surface, but when your market reach and production numbers put just about every other brand in the shade, it doesn't look too silly. Also keep in mind that in the case of the 5 Sports 1968 reissue, you're paying a rather reasonable sum for a reissue that Seiko didn't just phone in (finally!), and the numbers produced mean that even I might still have a shot at snagging one.
And, we can't have it both ways: some RUclips folks have slagged Seiko for releasing some highly desirable watches in what most would call *truly* limited numbers, and priced appropriately. Damned if they do, damned if they don't?
Awesome! None of our watches made the list!
Fabulous video!! So on point - and funny! These IFL watches are fun. But it if you like and it means something then buy it. It’s certainly no investment and there are SO many “limited” editions now they are beating a dead horse. I love my Beaucroft British Sky limited (25 pieces) because it means something to me. I certainly don’t expect any resale value. Hopefully one of my nieces or nephews will like to inherit my watches……😂
Obvious flaw in the reasoning here is not to mention the percentage of watches produced with the actual demand for those watches. 15,555 might seem like a lot of watches compared to a microbrand, but the demand for that particular watch in actual numbers of potential buyers far outnumbers the buyers for a particular microbrand edition. Seiko caters to the demands of literally millions of watch buyers worldwide, so relatively small productions of thousands are definitely limited editions for such a company.
I disagree. They're still for sale now, almost a year later... That's not limited edition, that's too many made. I get that Seiko is a large brand and therefore has large demand, but 15,000 is not limited by any means.
I'm definitely checking the used market for IFL watches. I know it wasn't your intention, but you really sold me on them.
No, no, I agree. Absolute bargain if you can pick one up for £250.
100% agree with your summary of Timex. I’ve returned my last three purchases (over a two year period). Flimsy/tinney, bad QC, and poor dimension choices. One was $199 (quartz gmt) and was an absolute piece of junk. Don’t even get me started on the straps.
@@gyrfalcon7332 I bought 5 Timex watches over the last 2 years and all of them met or exceeded my expectations. Cool and very distinct designs, adequately or even well made for the price, quality movements from Seiko and Citizen/Miyota inside, no issues with QC or the straps. Prices ranged from 169 to 337 €, taxes and rapid shipping included. This is more than fair. On the other hand I do not doubt that you can get real crap from Timex. But you should not generalize. Just do better research before pulling the trigger (e.g. dimensions can be known beforehand).
Nice list Kieron, interesting and informative as usual.
One collaboration I did like was the Nasa Gshocks, main reason being I always wanted to fly a space shuttle!
It didn't happen by the way, apparently you can't smoke on them...bah.
Cheers for another great video, hope all's well my friend 👍
Do you know what the micro brand watch is that's shown at 1:08?
@@AH-yu2pi Hello, I believe that watch is a Straton Speciale. You can find them at The Straton Watch Company.
Kind regards.
@@AH-yu2pi Hello, I believe that watch is a Straton Speciale.
Kind regards.
@@rikdriscoll2160 Thanks. I really appreciate it. On a side note, I checked the price. I'm poorer than I thought, considering the theme (inexpensive microbrands). 😞
My Timex Snoopy watch is awesome
Whats the seiko model at 1.35?
Not only seiko, almost all jpn products with Limited Edition label all literally a tax on IQ
Timex had prestige? When was that? I remember that they had the reputation of a watch from a Gumball machine.
Those painted dials are a pure waste. The 35mm digital PRX has good proportions.
Scorching. I loved it. Thanks for the reminder about no Timex’s. I am old enough to remember when “takes a licking and keeps on ticking” meant something. Though marketing with a police shootout was wrong. 🙄
I haven't yet seen that Timex ad, I'll check it out now. Sounds dodgy!
Appreciate you watching, cheers!
@@TopTierTicker , it was a National Lampoon or Saturday Night Liveparody after the SLA shooting in LA. But it mimicked multiple ads Timex had run showing the watches could survive anything. All the terrorists were killed but one the woman’s watches kept ticking.
With you on the Seiko... More hype than watch. You are right on the other points too. In this economy you have got to thing carefully when making a purchase. Take care Kieran!
What is the micro brand watch at 1:08?
It's the new 2024 Straton Speciale. Check out my recent 'these chronograph look super expensive' video to see the full review
@@TopTierTicker Thanks
Saw a Tissot digital in the flesh today and by God it was ugly
As with anything, a watch is worth what people are willing to pay for it. If the Kith Heuer still sells well at $1500 they would be crazy to sell it for less. If people are willing to pay close to $1000 for IFL Watches, why wouldn't they sell it at that price? Just common (business) sense. That being said, I don't think they're worth it either.
Most picks I completely agree with. I only disagree with your pick of Seiko limited editions: It's just that they have varying levels of limited-ness, if you will. It's a stretch to call a watch that they made thousands of a limited edition-- if you call that limited, *every* watch is a limited edition.
They do however also make some limited editions at only a few hundred, or maybe a thousand pieces. They should not be considered equally limited of course. It's up to Seiko to communicate that more transparently.
In the bucket loads 😂
By the bucket load 😊
"Some are just a straight up ripoff."
So, like, every single watch that scales towards the thousand(s) mark? People's sentimental reasons aside, as they aren't relevant when discussing a price tag, this shit has gotten INSANE. And, I mean, just use replas as an example. Considering you can get a 15k+ watch for 500-600 is really telling. I hold this same opinion with anything involving a brand name, but damn, watches really do fuck their customers over (seemingly) the most.
"By an UNKNOWN artist."
Bit of a tangent, but like, this is another big one. I'll never understand art people. "This person's name magically shoots up the price of this piece, which seems to have had buckets loosely thrown at the canvas, by 10 grand. But, This life-like replica of the Palace of Versaille is only a couple hundred, because you're no one and you don't have a depressing story. Or depression, try to acquire that and your price might bump up." Ffs.
I will never ever get on board with replica watches. It's an illegal industry. All credibility goes out of the window with this argument.
Art is art. People are people. Pretending otherwise is silly. We get attached to stories and personalities. That's the world mate. Van Gogh is a legend for a reason.
Replicas are for posers. And losers.
Actually I’d rather take out the dial myself and have a local artist paint it and put it back. That’s a limited edition…..
Timex is going down man, I can hardly see any worthy watch in their collection & if I find some models that comes to be highly priced in comparison to the specs provided, and yeah IFLs customized watches😅 rather than spending 2 to 3 times the retail I would go for a regular might not be limited but better quality watch with that money.
Great video mate. I really like that round Casio that's better than the digital PRX. We don't have that model in the US stores
Well Said!!👏
7:44 Don't agree on on Timex. In the 50s and 60s, these were intentional disposable watches. That's not true for today's Timex watches.
Funny how a lot of the 60s Timex's are still going strong though? Whilst also looking absolutely fabulous.
I don't think we should be giving credit to a watch brand for not creating disposable watches, that's a given in modern watchmaking.
I appreciate your opinion, but I'll have to disagree
@@TopTierTicker That's not the issue. You claim that the Timex watches from the 50's and 60's were of a higher quality than today's which is false. Yes, a few are still working, but the majority aren't. Today's Timex watches use rubies and can be serviced.
Timex watches even look dire on their own website. If they can't even photograph well, how are they going to look better in the flesh? The only ones I come close to considering are the Charlie Brown ones and that's because they're simply charming.
Watches brands can have best and worst years
1950s-early 70s was the timex best decades
I agree.
Man I love your voice in this game but you talk too much about watches you haven't owned. You are in a position now to put these watches on your wrist and live with them for some time. Value-for-money honestly isn't such a big factor when it comes to watches. Fashionability, collectibility, and obsession are just as big of factors. please man- stay positive and I encourage you to strengthen the value of your word by adding more experience with pieces you seem to have convinced yourself you don't like without really knowing.
This would be an appropriate comment if I was judging the quality of watches without trying them, but that's not the case. I talk about the issues around them. And if I ever diss the quality, that's from experience only.
Seiko L/E = not limited
IFL = Questionable warranty
Digital PRX = Ugly
I talk about watches I handle the majority of the time. There's nothing wrong with having a discussion about brands/issues that don't need physical experience, like warranty issues for example.
@@TopTierTicker I have made this mistake before: Offering advice that is not being asked for. I still stand by it, and like I said, I love your voice and perspective in watches and wish you continued success. I'll belabor the point one more time in the hopes that you can see how you are compromising your own value. In this vid, the points you are making are misinformed. You are judging Seiko's marketing? Here's the thing, if you like a particular Seiko model and are comfortable with the price, you should get it, regardless of if there are 15,000 of them or 500. Don't hate on Seiko for operating at high volumes. Why should you avoid a limited edition simply because there are a lot of them? It doesn't make sense and is needlessly negative. It's an interesting point, but not a reason to avoid a watch. Only if you are a flipper would this really matter to you because you might think you are buying something that will go up in value due to scarcity. If you like it, who cares how they market it. Regarding IFL - you are talking sh*t on a company you haven't even dealt with. They may be in fact generous with their warranty, but you don't know. It's highly responsible of them to offer a warranty at all! This is a real business and for you to call them into question like that leans more towards defamation than consumer advice. Did you hear from any upset customers? Did you reach out to the company to discuss the warranty? And as for the PRX, you think it's ugly from online photos, and yeah, they made an expensive Casio, but you are in the position to buy the thing, wear it, and see if there is more to the watch. It's an odd argument to make to say "i think this is ugly, you should too, and if you don't, you don't value your money." // I'm sorry these comments are hitting like trolling. I just see you taking a turn that feels like pandering for views and clicks, and I don't think that's what you are about at your core.
Any PRX is a rip-off. Sorry, not sorry.
I agree with most things you said, but your bashing on Timex once again seems unfair, once again. For whatever reason you picked from their cheapest and most basic models. You wanted crap from Timex and you got it, because they cover everything from the absolute bottom fashion watch segment of the market up to the affordable enthusiast segment. That‘s not their fault, that‘s just you seemingly having forgotten all your skills on how to identify a good watch from a vast catalogue.
Timex is the worst
Don't you dare bash my srpk 55 year anniversary edition. I love that thing.
Me too 😊
You can still love it man! I'm not bashing the watch itself! Just it's 'limited edition' title.