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It's really interesting that trapping, extended guards and a bunch of other things coming into UFC. It's funny because people like fight tips and other mma/bjj guys said would never work. It's really interesting to get confirmation that the techniques work.
I've practiced jeet kune do for several years, including sparring most every class. We were taught early on about helmet blocks, and I had good results with getting in close when the opponent is blocking, and either jamming up the gloves with one arm, and pulling them out of the way for a strike, or pushing them down. I found that blocking only worked when moving. If I just held my hands up to block, it wouldn't last long before I got hit. Instead, I could block and push forward, which often put the other person off balance, or just jammed their punches.
In my opinion, 1st and 2nd moves are wing chun lahp. 2nd is traditional/standard. 1st is same but mirrored stance. Your 1st Connor mcgregor explanation just looks like a wing chun pahk. Totally different. 3rd move just looks like wing chun pressing/pinning but two hands, then elbowing. Don't see the point of elbowing their guard. I would think it better to strike/slip through/under the guard. Again, just my opinion.
An uncle of mine who knows jkd I mean I was sparring with him one day and my lead jab was rendered useless he bashed my face in. Awesome video it really shows how to attack and breach the defence 👍
when you are trapping and using "stickyhand" you never want to let go, you always want to keep contact with the opponent, its like grip fighting in judo and bjj
that flinch response reminds me of (if im not mistaken) the s.p.e.a.r. system... then the neutral stance at 10:10 reminds me of that self defense channel (forgot the name, i think its ross) where his neutral stance is like that because he is working as a bouncer... the jkd first move, i think i prefer to tap it or just quick drag down followed by a rear straight in a fast 1-2 speed, paired it up with good footwork like moving at the 45 degree to the side of your opponent...
jeet kune do works if you block your chin with your shoulder while trapping! and mix it with boxing footwork and head movement and the art of the 8 limbs will help
I used to use that first and second "trap" (bring the arm down and come over) all the time in karate sparring. bros would get wise to it after i had some success and would lift their arm up to keep me from pulling it down, and then I'd take my shot under their arm. I think that the difference between the three basic techniques shown here, all of which are plausible, and what's taught in many martial arts, is that (A) they're initiated by the user, not relying on catching punches out of the air and (B) that the entire technique is a single step, following a shot. Techniques that require superhuman reaction time plus predictable, multi-step responses from the opponent are unlikely to work, but these require neither. In essence, they are no different than throwing a combination intended to open up the opponent.
For that first technique, when mirrored, I prefer to use the same hand that pulled the opponents hand down to then strike up to the head, especially from south paw. So my right hand pulls the opponents leading left down, and then if possible follows the contour of the opponents arm up the shoulder and to the face, or just bounces up to the face. Often I combine this with pulling my opponent close which takes some sauce of any left hand counter. Of course I have to make sure my left hand is in a good guard, or I'm going to eat a right hook.
The vertical fist makes a difference in these moves, and is why wc/jkd use it. Just like in grappling, the more you can tighten the spaces, the better. Also at close range, elbow pointing down increases the leverage of the punch. I personally like sneaking the vertical fist through the guard, hooking the arm with my glove or hand and ripping it down while punching with the other hand.
After seeing Jon Jones, Tony Ferguson, Anderson Silva, Even Lomachenko's slap machine, I come to conclusion that these martial arts may have been very good at some point in history. But the way some martial arts were "kept secret or whatever" or only practiced by some elites was the reason of slowly eroding away of these styles. Unlike boxing or wrestling which was available to whoever wanted to practiced.
if someone grabs your arm and pulls you do like Macgregor come in with your shoulder, another thing you can do get out of the angle follow the pull then change direction. you can also go down and grab a leg many options guys .
The second one you cover is what Sifu Wong Jack Man did to Bruce Lee. He landed a hard blow to the side of Bruce's neck. Kajukenpo master Joe Davis, who was a student of Bruce, and Jimmy Lee said, "Bruce had a long bruise on the left side of his neck, and for many years I thought that it was the result of a kick." (Showdown in Oakland by Rick Wing) That was said (by David Chin, and Bill Chen) to be the hardest blow during their fight. Bruce had to reassess things after that.
@@Bartron_Flat_Earth Bruce said he was "running" because he wasn't able to land any punches. Wong was able to avoid his straight line attacks. Also, is that a reason to quit a style? If I'm a boxer and I can't hit the guy because he's running away should I quit boxing?
The first one is something I've done in sparring, mostly because I'm a southpaw so my lead hand tends to run into the left hand of an orthodox partner. I don't think it's something to always do though, because I think the best way to set it up is to make it look like a jab coming out, and once they know you're not actually planning on throwing jabs they aren't going to give you their lead hand so easily.
Based on your movements and comments, neither one of you knows much Wing Chun or Jeet Kune Do, so neither one of you can make any of the motions work effectively and with proper sensitivity. Trapping is just an incidental application that follows when you form a "bridge" (your arm or leg contacts the opp arm or leg). You can create a bridge - for example, jab, then respond to the opp's counter with the bridge arm or the other one - or the bridge can occur naturally when one of you blocks or redirects the other. One old school belief about trapping is that you're not really trapping; trapping is really chain punching with the opp arm getting in the way and you clearing it (pushing, pulling, cutting, lifting, hooking, circling, dragging, etc.) with your next punch, which can be done with the same hand you first punch with or the other hand. Not saying Wing Chun or JKD is the greatest for MMA, but a number of MMA contenders have learned some Wing Chun or JKD to enhance their boxing skills. In JKD, trapping skills are not the primary focus when sparring - if your opp gives you the opportunity, you take it if that's your preference, but there are JKD folks who don't do any trapping when sparring.
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@@FightCommentary Hi what you showing is a very simplified wing tsun but yes it gives a slight idea how it should like and when you do it in wing tsun way with power it really can work
6:25 a lot of guys mma guys have survived being rocked by using this or something similar to it You can put out your lead hand from this position and then you have the Thai long guard too or Dracula guard. It's little know or used but really good for defending head punches
Dirt Diver I like to use that guard, it turn almost useless punchs to the head, and avoid the guy getting closer. But you have to pay attention to the kicks.
@@guilhermealvessilveira8938 Agree, I used to use it a lot Yep pro's and con's of course but I still think its valid since most people are better at punching than kicking Works great with using the lead hand to push the shoulder of someone trying to punch too, to take the power out of it I never knew about that until I saw TriStar Gym do a video on it, it's worth a look if your interested
The trapping techniques Bruce Lee taught were all WC not really JKD. Per Jerry Poteet who was one of his original students. Traditional WC will really be much the same
@@c.h.r.i.s2253 When i say generation of JKD, i'm saying the forth modification that the Bruce Lee made, not anyone else. It's said by Bob Bremmer himself that Bruce Lee was evolving the style after time. You can see the interview made by his students in that channel: ruclips.net/user/jkdwng
@@c.h.r.i.s2253 When i say generation, i say that these generations was created by Bruce Lee himself. Bruce Lee modified the JKD, it's better to call evolution instead of generation.
Guilherme Alves Silveira Bruce Lee created JKD. Not the same as modifying. Also if you don’t hold true to his philosophy of JKD it is not JKD, it is just freestyle MA
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@@FightCommentary Thank you for taking the time to address my question. I consider the traditional martial arts (not the street fighter chi magic shit) to be the building blocks for martial arts as we know them today. Not fantasy but a less evolved form of the fighting strategies we use today. I just find it interesting that only Bruce Lee's version of martial arts seems to be exempt from getting that label from people who use it to describe traditional martial arts.
@@Goodboysforlife Bruce Lee's original JKD used Boxing punches, Wing Chun trapping, Taekwondo kicks, Muy Thai kicks and Savate kicks, and it also taught Judo. All of those techniques are used in modern MMA constantly.
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It's really interesting that trapping, extended guards and a bunch of other things coming into UFC. It's funny because people like fight tips and other mma/bjj guys said would never work. It's really interesting to get confirmation that the techniques work.
I've practiced jeet kune do for several years, including sparring most every class. We were taught early on about helmet blocks, and I had good results with getting in close when the opponent is blocking, and either jamming up the gloves with one arm, and pulling them out of the way for a strike, or pushing them down.
I found that blocking only worked when moving. If I just held my hands up to block, it wouldn't last long before I got hit. Instead, I could block and push forward, which often put the other person off balance, or just jammed their punches.
Thanks for sharing!
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Watch the George Foreman vs Joe Frazier fight. Foreman controls Frazier's arms the whole fight.
Good recommendation!!
Trapping and holding while you hit is legit, some sports allow it and some don't. I keep getting in trouble for it during basketball.
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So basically this proves lap sao theory, nice video and many thanks to you both
Lyoto Machida is MMA' s Master of Trapping.
My favorite breakdance is Fight Commentary breakdance.
Hahahahaha
That blocking was used by George Foreman and Dustin Poirier. It is extremely useful.
00:45 - watch it at 0.25x speed. it's hillarious !
HAHAHA :) Just tried it. Definitely funny!!
In my opinion, 1st and 2nd moves are wing chun lahp. 2nd is traditional/standard. 1st is same but mirrored stance. Your 1st Connor mcgregor explanation just looks like a wing chun pahk. Totally different.
3rd move just looks like wing chun pressing/pinning but two hands, then elbowing.
Don't see the point of elbowing their guard. I would think it better to strike/slip through/under the guard. Again, just my opinion.
An uncle of mine who knows jkd I mean I was sparring with him one day and my lead jab was rendered useless he bashed my face in. Awesome video it really shows how to attack and breach the defence 👍
when you are trapping and using "stickyhand" you never want to let go, you always want to keep contact with the opponent, its like grip fighting in judo and bjj
Interesting. That's not what the original video showed, but maybe we'll test your interpretation in the future. Thanks for the comment!
Let the bridge go and hit somewhere else. Never go all in.
@@FightCommentary And in WSLVingTsun sticking is considered to be a bad habit. Because if you stick you can't strike.
that flinch response reminds me of (if im not mistaken) the s.p.e.a.r. system... then the neutral stance at 10:10 reminds me of that self defense channel (forgot the name, i think its ross) where his neutral stance is like that because he is working as a bouncer...
the jkd first move, i think i prefer to tap it or just quick drag down followed by a rear straight in a fast 1-2 speed, paired it up with good footwork like moving at the 45 degree to the side of your opponent...
jeet kune do works if you block your chin with your shoulder while trapping! and mix it with boxing footwork and head movement and the art of the 8 limbs will help
Emil Maritrossian
Tommy Carruthers
The first one... floyd and lomachenko use. Adesanya and Ferguson uses it to go into elbows too. Last one too.
I used to use that first and second "trap" (bring the arm down and come over) all the time in karate sparring. bros would get wise to it after i had some success and would lift their arm up to keep me from pulling it down, and then I'd take my shot under their arm.
I think that the difference between the three basic techniques shown here, all of which are plausible, and what's taught in many martial arts, is that (A) they're initiated by the user, not relying on catching punches out of the air and (B) that the entire technique is a single step, following a shot. Techniques that require superhuman reaction time plus predictable, multi-step responses from the opponent are unlikely to work, but these require neither.
In essence, they are no different than throwing a combination intended to open up the opponent.
For that first technique, when mirrored, I prefer to use the same hand that pulled the opponents hand down to then strike up to the head, especially from south paw. So my right hand pulls the opponents leading left down, and then if possible follows the contour of the opponents arm up the shoulder and to the face, or just bounces up to the face. Often I combine this with pulling my opponent close which takes some sauce of any left hand counter. Of course I have to make sure my left hand is in a good guard, or I'm going to eat a right hook.
The vertical fist makes a difference in these moves, and is why wc/jkd use it. Just like in grappling, the more you can tighten the spaces, the better. Also at close range, elbow pointing down increases the leverage of the punch. I personally like sneaking the vertical fist through the guard, hooking the arm with my glove or hand and ripping it down while punching with the other hand.
Cuban boxers parry and punch with same hand. They clear one arm and punch over that arm. Roberto Duran was a master of trapping infighting
I thought Jerry was going to do the Michael Jackfu.
After seeing Jon Jones, Tony Ferguson, Anderson Silva, Even Lomachenko's slap machine, I come to conclusion that these martial arts may have been very good at some point in history. But the way some martial arts were "kept secret or whatever" or only practiced by some elites was the reason of slowly eroding away of these styles. Unlike boxing or wrestling which was available to whoever wanted to practiced.
if someone grabs your arm and pulls you do like Macgregor come in with your shoulder, another thing you can do get out of the angle follow the pull then change direction. you can also go down and grab a leg many options guys .
The second one you cover is what Sifu Wong Jack Man did to Bruce Lee. He landed a hard blow to the side of Bruce's neck. Kajukenpo master Joe Davis, who was a student of Bruce, and Jimmy Lee said, "Bruce had a long bruise on the left side of his neck, and for many years I thought that it was the result of a kick." (Showdown in Oakland by Rick Wing) That was said (by David Chin, and Bill Chen) to be the hardest blow during their fight. Bruce had to reassess things after that.
So interesting!
lol Wong Jack Man sucked just like those Kung Fu guys Xu has beat
@@Bartron_Flat_Earth Why then did Bruce Lee quit Wing Chun after his fight with him? Answer: because Bruce got schooled.
@@phoenixmountain lol Already his WC was different at that time. He changed because Wong was running, and WC has not to much mobility
@@Bartron_Flat_Earth Bruce said he was "running" because he wasn't able to land any punches. Wong was able to avoid his straight line attacks. Also, is that a reason to quit a style? If I'm a boxer and I can't hit the guy because he's running away should I quit boxing?
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I do Xingyi, can you look at some xingyi from Hai yang youtube page
Thanks for recommendationn!!
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@@JerryLiuYT yah welcome :)
Usuyk does this as well
The first one is something I've done in sparring, mostly because I'm a southpaw so my lead hand tends to run into the left hand of an orthodox partner. I don't think it's something to always do though, because I think the best way to set it up is to make it look like a jab coming out, and once they know you're not actually planning on throwing jabs they aren't going to give you their lead hand so easily.
Thanks for sharing!
647- George foremen blocked that way
Watch lomachenko hand trap video.
Could you show a link?
@@FightCommentary im not OP but they might mean ruclips.net/video/ql5AdlYigUw/видео.html
We need a how to defend against an attacker with social distancing.😋 I recommend no touch methods.😂
Doesn’t the martial art SPEAR teach people to use their flinch responses?
Show us a link!
Tony Blauer is certainly an authority on self defense. He has data to back his work.
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Fight Commentary Breakdowns ruclips.net/channel/UCqIFBr_2N35wrfN0Fvk6YjQ This guy seems to be a leading authority on the system
Based on your movements and comments, neither one of you knows much Wing Chun or Jeet Kune Do, so neither one of you can make any of the motions work effectively and with proper sensitivity. Trapping is just an incidental application that follows when you form a "bridge" (your arm or leg contacts the opp arm or leg). You can create a bridge - for example, jab, then respond to the opp's counter with the bridge arm or the other one - or the bridge can occur naturally when one of you blocks or redirects the other.
One old school belief about trapping is that you're not really trapping; trapping is really chain punching with the opp arm getting in the way and you clearing it (pushing, pulling, cutting, lifting, hooking, circling, dragging, etc.) with your next punch, which can be done with the same hand you first punch with or the other hand.
Not saying Wing Chun or JKD is the greatest for MMA, but a number of MMA contenders have learned some Wing Chun or JKD to enhance their boxing skills. In JKD, trapping skills are not the primary focus when sparring - if your opp gives you the opportunity, you take it if that's your preference, but there are JKD folks who don't do any trapping when sparring.
Ron Miller I like to force trapping, but we do differently
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@@FightCommentary Hi what you showing is a very simplified wing tsun but yes it gives a slight idea how it should like and when you do it in wing tsun way with power it really can work
6:25 a lot of guys mma guys have survived being rocked by using this or something similar to it
You can put out your lead hand from this position and then you have the Thai long guard too or Dracula guard. It's little know or used but really good for defending head punches
Dirt Diver I like to use that guard, it turn almost useless punchs to the head, and avoid the guy getting closer. But you have to pay attention to the kicks.
@@guilhermealvessilveira8938 Agree, I used to use it a lot
Yep pro's and con's of course but I still think its valid since most people are better at punching than kicking
Works great with using the lead hand to push the shoulder of someone trying to punch too, to take the power out of it
I never knew about that until I saw TriStar Gym do a video on it, it's worth a look if your interested
@@driver3899 Thanks for the tip. I was looking at videos of the Dracula Guard. It's an unforgettable name!
@@FightCommentary Haha I know right!
Yeah its really interesting to watch when done by guys at high level
The trapping techniques Bruce Lee taught were all WC not really JKD. Per Jerry Poteet who was one of his original students. Traditional WC will really be much the same
Bern Boomboom In the begging, yes, but in late JKD generations, they modified it to work more.
Guilherme Alves Silveira then it isn’t JKD. Bruce Lee was the creator. After that any change is just “free style”
@@c.h.r.i.s2253 When i say generation of JKD, i'm saying the forth modification that the Bruce Lee made, not anyone else. It's said by Bob Bremmer himself that Bruce Lee was evolving the style after time. You can see the interview made by his students in that channel:
ruclips.net/user/jkdwng
@@c.h.r.i.s2253 When i say generation, i say that these generations was created by Bruce Lee himself. Bruce Lee modified the JKD, it's better to call evolution instead of generation.
Guilherme Alves Silveira
Bruce Lee created JKD. Not the same as modifying. Also if you don’t hold true to his philosophy of JKD it is not JKD, it is just freestyle MA
now i'm early again :)))
why isn't okay to say Jeet Kun Do is fake/fantasy based martial arts?
You remember that MMA champion who does Jeet Kun Do?
Neither do i.
You can say what you believe. So if you think it's a fantasy martial art, go ahead. On Fight Commentary Breakdowns, we respond to viewer requests and take a look. It's fun to examine things. If you have any martial arts you want us to examine, we'll totally take a look too.
@@FightCommentary Thank you for taking the time to address my question. I consider the traditional martial arts (not the street fighter chi magic shit) to be the building blocks for martial arts as we know them today. Not fantasy but a less evolved form of the fighting strategies we use today. I just find it interesting that only Bruce Lee's version of martial arts seems to be exempt from getting that label from people who use it to describe traditional martial arts.
@@Goodboysforlife Where do you see fantasy? ruclips.net/video/Hr-yyMHlgGE/видео.html
@@Goodboysforlife Bruce Lee's original JKD used Boxing punches, Wing Chun trapping, Taekwondo kicks, Muy Thai kicks and Savate kicks, and it also taught Judo.
All of those techniques are used in modern MMA constantly.
Pakistan wresling in mud v good for comment
What is this nonsense
Exactly what you said
all trapping is bullshit.