What's with everything being released unfinished these days? Has this always happened and I've forgot about it? Hardware isn't working, games aren't finished(not even close to finished in some cases). People must be giving them so much money that they can afford the backlash from broken products.
so is it safe to take the z690 a pro ? i will have a 12900k and i feel trying to save 100$ taking this MB instead of a z690 edge is stupid if AVX have a chance to bug ... what do you think ? (and i play warzone who use avx btw)
Absolutely love it man again! Who on earth does reviews without checking if every single bit of information in it is as correct as possible? That 1 sentence literally crossed the whole thing its bulshit and I agree with you my man 1milion%
Cheers mate for the video, it's helped me make my mind up and go with an MSI MPG Z690 Edge, looking to pair it with a 12700k and Asus TUF 3080 👍 the whole ram thing is confusing though I'm seeing so many mixed opinions online for the best way to run it and what sticks to use
i love MSI products these days, their gpu's are nuts too, they use such huge pcb's on their gpu's that the temps are spread extremely well even on my 3090 52-54c max vram temp while gaming even tho i have no active backplate. i hope they never change their ways because nearly everything from them is really good
I had a mining rig with 5 3080's (amongst other cards). This included the absolute top of the line MSI card and Asus cards, along with gigabyte. The Asus ALWAYS had better temps and more performance, by a small margin, than the MSI card. But both were very good. The gigabyte had horrible stock men temps. Asus for me is still the best and has been for decades, but MSI is really close or sometimes better these days. They trade blows
@@Tom--Ace i still have 2x 2080ti strix those are kinda nuts, but i also have a z590 apex and its dogshit and had the hero before that which had insanely pathetic ram performance so the brand is really hit or miss for me tbh
I recently bought a Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite DDR4, the bios are absolutely terrible. D2 bios wouldn't even recognize any of my NVMe or SATA devices. D4 BIOS problem fixed but can't run basic DDR4 3200 beyond 1 stick. Went right back to Micro Center I dealt with the BS during early AM4, never again.
Questions I ask myself why one costs more than the other, other than for looks? What features does this MB have, any actual details like IO chip sets, sound, wifi, nic? How many usb and rgb headers if any?
what is the absolute z690 ddr4 board? absolute best. i have a 12900k, 3090 ftw3 hybrid, corsair 7000D airflow, and the baddest and latest corsair 420mm aio for the cpu. i do not care about price. I just became a member. Do you have a chat page or something? I need to buy my motherboard and ddr4 memory asap rocky. i also need the absolute best ddr4 64gb gaming memory.
Got the Strix D4 at launch paired with the 12700K and running my old DDR4 3600 RAM at Gear 1...happy to say no issues, completely stable, running a per core overclock from 5.4 on two cores on adaptive vcore. A fraction over 24K on Cinebench R23...happiness and joy.
Bro that's basically the set up i am going to do but honestly waiting on the 12900k on newegg shuffle The strix D4 paired with my 32GB of 3466mhz overclockable to 4000mhz B-die TridentZ
I also have a 3090 in a strix Z590 with 10850k so i am hoping this new set up will be my Destroyer Rig until AMD comes out with a newer CPU for my X570 Hopefully ZEN3+ refresh 4D
Same motherboard for me, went with 12900k. Have a set of gskill 4400 memory iv been trying to get running and can only stable at 3800 right now, also a 3090. Hope they get good bios updates soon, this memory i had stable at 4000 on my 9900k. Have yet to set an overclock on the cpu yet, did the ai one just to see what happens and got 5.5ghz lmao, temps were far too high though.
Cheers for the vid. Was told my asus ddr4 board was going to be delayed so will go with a msi one that’s in stock. Shame they don’t look as good as the asus ones. Have a DDR5 coming but seems like that’s not going to be worth it until next year. Do you have a cpu cooler that you recommend? Still waiting for my nzxt bracket
Hi, I'm kinda depressed how Asus Strix D4 got talked about considering I am going to buy this with my i9-12900k, What if I don't overclock? like I just don't touch those and run out of the box? does it still suck?
@@FrameChasers Hi, wow thank you for replying, Is updating this motherboard's bios a requirement/must out of the box? I was going to pair this with an 12900k
DDR4 boards are right now mid-tier at best. DDR5 boards are fully featured high end boards. So if you want a high end fully featured board, you have to get a DDR5 board, even if DDR5 is not faster. When better and faster DDR5 kits are out in a year or two, they Will be scarse and very expensive as well. The Z690 Edge is ok for most people, but it's not a high end board, and it's lacking lots of board features, yet it's not cheap. Compare it to the z690 hero and u get the idea
What about ASRock Z690 Extreme? I'm a sworn ASRock user personally (liking the onboard sound they offer so much I stopped purchasing 3rd party soundcards). Running 4x8GB Samsung B-die sticks at DDR4-3400 CL14 (I prefer focusing on low latency rather than frequency) in my current setup (Z370). Been thinking about upgrade and keeping my current RAM a couple more years but might wait out what AMD has to offer with the 3D-V cache.
Hi buddy, thanks for all the videos you make, very informative and entertaining. I was wondering. I'm about to get a DDR4 mobo for my 12700k and I have the 3 MSI you talked about in my radar. I heard that quite a few people having sound issue (ex: random loud statics) with the realtek® alc4080 codec, which is on both the TOMAHAWK & the EDGE. Have you had tis issue with your EDGE mobo or heard about this issue? Also, I wanna get the PRO Z690-A but I'm trying to find a reason to spend an extra $100+ for one of the 2 other ones. I compared the 3 mobos and as far as I can tell they don't have much differences, other than USB ports, numbers of M.2 slots, VRM and sounds codec (realtek® alc4080 for TOMAHAWK & the EDGE and Realtek® ALC897 for the PRO). However, I do not think the dif is worth $100+. I'm only interested in performance rather than looks. I'm not gonna OC the CPU like crazy but I'm wanna keep the board for a long time and for now I only have 1 M.2 (might have a second down the road). Would you thing I should spend the extra $$ for the TOMAHAWK or the EDGE or go for the PRO? Thank you
Jufes can you take time away from your family. For no money, and help me with my z690 specs, build and overclock it for me, while also providing free shipping?
I buy ASUS boards because they effing last! Admittedly, I'm having second thoughts about my backordered ASUS ROG Maximus Z690 Extreme Glacial; why not simply call it ROG Glacial. It's not about the money. It's about the CPU. I'm not overly thrilled about throwing $2,000 at a consumer level CPU platform but I wouldn't think twice if this Alder Lake was an enthusiast LGA 2xxx with 30 or 40 cores.
BTW I have a ASUS Hero sitting in the box if I change my mind, but finding fast RGB DDR5 I don't see that happening even this year. Example Ideally a 4x16GB RGB kit of G.Skill's Trident Z5 DDR5-6400 kit with CAS 36. My wife has her ASUS TUF with an i7 and a 4x8GB G.Skill DDR4 3600 CAS 16 most complicated tasks she does is use pictures for her real estate. Otherwise MS Office and Chrome. LMAO I thought about disabling all of the P cores and seeing if she'd notice.
@@DJaquithFL Anyone trying to get DDR5 is crazy there is no point till 13th Gen honestly it will be more worldly accepted by then i would stick with DDR4 till 2023 that's the honest truth!
Got a gigabyte z690 aero g ddr4 on a really good sale, not stable over 3600. Sadly new bios didn't help, at least for this particular board. Returning it and have an msi one on the way. Sadly I never knew about the gigabyte issue before ordering and wasted my time.
Memory capabilities is one piece of info that’s so hard to find info on if you’re not into overclocking.. VRMs haven’t mattered for a while really.. Great info
I’m building my first pc can somebody please give me some advice I don’t know what to do anymore. I’ll put in a 3060 ti and I can’t decide between 5800x and 10900k. I really want 144 FPS stable
I got the tuf too no issues so far. I bought 4400 mhz ram so Ill see if she plays nice. I was able to hit 3800 cl 14 on my ram it wasn't exactly stable. On my old msi z290 my ram could do the best of cl14 3600 3800 would not boot.
Wish I found this vid when I bought my gigabyte. Had BSoD due to ddr4, sent board back, company claimed CPU pins damaged and wouldn't refund me. So looking at msi now.
About the RAM thing, was your kit on the compatibility list? If it wasn't you have no real reason to complain, its not broken, its been like this for eternity. I learned hard lesson many times when i got kits that weren't on the compatibility list and they didn't worked passed JDEC or if you tweaked manually some lower number below the advertised. Now i only buy RAM if its on the compatibility list, either the RAM manufacturer or motherboard manufacturer, had ZERO issues since then.
I need a mini ITX board for my build in a nr200 so i went with the z690i from gigabyte. I couldnt find a msi board that exists in 690i and it makes me sad. So annoying I’m limited but hoping they update the bios.
I am glad I stick with MSi again. Never had ASUS though it might be good because how everyone is overhyped about them. But yeah all of those ASUS fans are wrong and blind.
Most MSI boards seems to use the I225-V From my understanding its garbage and effed up. This is just a question, not dissing anything here. I have zero knowledge about this. I've just seen a lot of complaints about the I225-V. I was tempted to get the Tomahawk or even Edge. But at the same time I dont want my PC's internet connection dying and struggling every day. Again I know nothing lol, just voicing my concerns. This particular minute I feel like theres not a single "great" z690 Motherboard out there. o.O
You can clearly see that dude on the OCN haven't even tested the cheaper boards. Would definitely take anything he says with a grain of salt after that sentence. Maybe he knows about stuff he tested, or maybe he is as careless about his testing as he is about stating untested things as facts.
Still good stuff on that site though. Gotta follow the ram ocing threads that the engineers participate in. Just use your noggin and you'll be able to tell who is actually in the thick of things after reading a bit.
Every Asus mobo I have purchased in the past 5 years has not worked out of the box from cheap b350 to my rog zenith. They all needed bios update and for some reason can't OC the ram on rog zenith. No issues with MSI. Always works OOB. I am going to stop punishing myself with Asus/Corsair
I've had a good experience with my Z170 Pro Gaming and Z390 Hero. I usually just buy ASUS because I like the features and the BIOS is honestly really nice to work with.
Im usually a big fan of MSI but this round of motherboards I've been disappointed to be honest, the quality of the boards seem really cheap and way overpriced compared to my z490 MSI board, for example I had the edge WiFi ddr4 and even tightening down the m.2 heatsink the standoff came right out the motherboard ( sadly only solder tacked into place) even after that I gave it a chance and experienced random crashes and problems with ram I only have medicore 3600 c18 xmp, anyway it had to go back and so I bought the tomahawk which is just a worse version of the edge WiFi ddr4 it doesn't even post with XMP unless I turn to volts to 1.4v, still has random crashes even at 2666mhz no oc, I have latest bios, clean install super disappointed overall in this platform it's a mess, stupid of me getting rid of my 10900k setup which was rock solid, so I've messed with the tomahawk and tried a few things to get it stable so far so good for only been few hours so far but if it crashes one more time I'm done wasting time and going for the strix z690-a d4 yeah it's overpriced but I just need a stable rig and not have mess around for hours, I noticed people got bios updates for it that makes it stable etc hence the reason for purpose, anyway let me know what you think overall about z690 platform, yes it's super fast and great and all but I personally think it's like a super fast car that gets great 0-60 or quarter mile runs but it's been built in a shed lol
I got the aorus z690 elite ax ddr4 thinking it would be a good board for the money, amd boy was i wrong. Can't even run ddr4 3600 manually. Getting the msi pro z690 a for now until ddr5 is readily available, then I'll get the carbon. The aorus had an excellent layout and i/o though for the money
are you not afraid about the avx problem with the msi pro one ? playing warzone and using 12900k i hesitate between this one and the z690 edge wifi to not have any bad surprise.
@@kendragon2827 well i'm talking about what framechasers said in this video at 1:50, he said that z690-a pro can get the avx bug, so i was asking if it was ok for you, it seems to be, but the question is, is it luck or did they patched this problem ?
I cannot listen to this guy. He sounds like the drunk chick who is arguing with the drug addicted boyfriend at the shady club. Ffs. Your sentences aren't even coherent.
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MSI released v11 BIOS for the z690-a Pro and it fixes that AVX bug, all core 5.2 and above no longer downclock under avx loads.
I appreciate the heads up i was worried cuz i wanted to buy it
What's with everything being released unfinished these days? Has this always happened and I've forgot about it? Hardware isn't working, games aren't finished(not even close to finished in some cases). People must be giving them so much money that they can afford the backlash from broken products.
Exactly right. Everything sucks now.
I though about the same thing.
so is it safe to take the z690 a pro ? i will have a 12900k and i feel trying to save 100$ taking this MB instead of a z690 edge is stupid if AVX have a chance to bug ... what do you think ? (and i play warzone who use avx btw)
I love the MSI A PRO motherboards they are always have been the best bang for buck since the Z370 era :)
Z690 ELITE DDR4 here. It is a very hard board to work with but I got it to run stable at 4000 16-16-16-32 by increasing the VCCSA voltage to 1.34V.
Thanks for your content as always man. Keep up your hard work. Your content is consistently transparent and appreciated.
Asus Z690-A Gaming does 4000Mhz in Gear1 on newest Bios on the TridentZ Royal 4000 CL16 32gb kit. Not a problem so far.
4 sticks or 2 sticks?
Absolutely love it man again! Who on earth does reviews without checking if every single bit of information in it is as correct as possible? That 1 sentence literally crossed the whole thing its bulshit and I agree with you my man 1milion%
Cheers mate for the video, it's helped me make my mind up and go with an MSI MPG Z690 Edge, looking to pair it with a 12700k and Asus TUF 3080 👍 the whole ram thing is confusing though I'm seeing so many mixed opinions online for the best way to run it and what sticks to use
@y0ubi go for any of the msi motherboards, the budget one is fine too👌🏻
@y0ubi doubt you will need to over clock it at all for a good while, 13700k will be mint for gaming 👌🏻
Gigabyte Z690 AORUS ELITE DDR4 ATX Motherboard thoughts?
I heard that MSI is the ONLY manufacturer that doesn't let you turn ON AVX512 when you turn off the E-Cores, is that true?
Thanks for the upload still mulling over flipping my old set up for a DDR4 set up
i love MSI products these days, their gpu's are nuts too, they use such huge pcb's on their gpu's that the temps are spread extremely well even on my 3090 52-54c max vram temp while gaming even tho i have no active backplate. i hope they never change their ways because nearly everything from them is really good
I had a mining rig with 5 3080's (amongst other cards).
This included the absolute top of the line MSI card and Asus cards, along with gigabyte.
The Asus ALWAYS had better temps and more performance, by a small margin, than the MSI card. But both were very good.
The gigabyte had horrible stock men temps.
Asus for me is still the best and has been for decades, but MSI is really close or sometimes better these days. They trade blows
@@Tom--Ace i still have 2x 2080ti strix those are kinda nuts, but i also have a z590 apex and its dogshit and had the hero before that which had insanely pathetic ram performance so the brand is really hit or miss for me tbh
I really wish you could get your hands on a EVGA z690 Kingpin lol
I recently bought a Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite DDR4, the bios are absolutely terrible. D2 bios wouldn't even recognize any of my NVMe or SATA devices. D4 BIOS problem fixed but can't run basic DDR4 3200 beyond 1 stick. Went right back to Micro Center I dealt with the BS during early AM4, never again.
Questions I ask myself why one costs more than the other, other than for looks? What features does this MB have, any actual details like IO chip sets, sound, wifi, nic? How many usb and rgb headers if any?
what is the absolute z690 ddr4 board? absolute best. i have a 12900k, 3090 ftw3 hybrid, corsair 7000D airflow, and the baddest and latest corsair 420mm aio for the cpu. i do not care about price. I just became a member. Do you have a chat page or something? I need to buy my motherboard and ddr4 memory asap rocky. i also need the absolute best ddr4 64gb gaming memory.
Got the Strix D4 at launch paired with the 12700K and running my old DDR4 3600 RAM at Gear 1...happy to say no issues, completely stable, running a per core overclock from 5.4 on two cores on adaptive vcore. A fraction over 24K on Cinebench R23...happiness and joy.
Bro that's basically the set up i am going to do but honestly waiting on the 12900k on newegg shuffle
The strix D4 paired with my 32GB of 3466mhz overclockable to 4000mhz B-die TridentZ
I also have a 3090 in a strix Z590 with 10850k so i am hoping this new set up will be my Destroyer Rig until AMD comes out with a newer CPU for my X570 Hopefully ZEN3+ refresh 4D
@@tommypearson9260 Awesome rig with the RTX 3090....Sadly took me over a year to get my RTX 3080 and even then I had to pay an inflated price...
Same motherboard for me, went with 12900k. Have a set of gskill 4400 memory iv been trying to get running and can only stable at 3800 right now, also a 3090. Hope they get good bios updates soon, this memory i had stable at 4000 on my 9900k.
Have yet to set an overclock on the cpu yet, did the ai one just to see what happens and got 5.5ghz lmao, temps were far too high though.
what DDR4 RAM do you recommend for MSI pro + i7 12700k? 3200 cl14 or 3600 cl16/14, other?
I'm using ddr4 3600 cl14, freaking sweet
Wasup i have ddr5 6000. Will the Msi carbon be good. Cpu i9 12900k? Thanks
Did you make a MIS Z690 Edge Wifi review? I am considering buying this one.
how is the ASUS PRIME Z690-P?
i bought 2x used edge wifi ddr4 and m.2 HS were broken off, other than that, no issues
Are you going to revisit the motherboards? About to buy one but want your overall input and current state.
Cheers for the vid. Was told my asus ddr4 board was going to be delayed so will go with a msi one that’s in stock. Shame they don’t look as good as the asus ones. Have a DDR5 coming but seems like that’s not going to be worth it until next year.
Do you have a cpu cooler that you recommend? Still waiting for my nzxt bracket
Watercool bro. Thermaltake CPU coolers work well for me.
should i buy the 12700k vs the 10900k?
@FRAME CHASERS
Which DDR5 board do you recommend for me to get for gaming and overclocking?
- Gigabyte z690 D5 AORUS pro
- MSI z690 D5 Tomahawk
Can confirm the latest gigabyte z690 bios is WAY better than the launch bios, not sure why they shipped the boards with that early bios.
are those problem solved rn??
Thank you almighty jufes for bestowing thy wisdom, all hail jufes!
Hi, I'm kinda depressed how Asus Strix D4 got talked about considering I am going to buy this with my i9-12900k, What if I don't overclock? like I just don't touch those and run out of the box? does it still suck?
It’s all fixed now with the latest bios versions. Strix D4 is good
@@FrameChasers Hi, wow thank you for replying, Is updating this motherboard's bios a requirement/must out of the box? I was going to pair this with an 12900k
DDR4 boards are right now mid-tier at best. DDR5 boards are fully featured high end boards. So if you want a high end fully featured board, you have to get a DDR5 board, even if DDR5 is not faster. When better and faster DDR5 kits are out in a year or two, they Will be scarse and very expensive as well. The Z690 Edge is ok for most people, but it's not a high end board, and it's lacking lots of board features, yet it's not cheap. Compare it to the z690 hero and u get the idea
No surprises - MSI still doing the business where it counts.
Are you saying I can run a 12700k fine on the z690-a pro even if I’m planning to oc?
What about ASRock Z690 Extreme? I'm a sworn ASRock user personally (liking the onboard sound they offer so much I stopped purchasing 3rd party soundcards). Running 4x8GB Samsung B-die sticks at DDR4-3400 CL14 (I prefer focusing on low latency rather than frequency) in my current setup (Z370). Been thinking about upgrade and keeping my current RAM a couple more years but might wait out what AMD has to offer with the 3D-V cache.
Hi buddy, thanks for all the videos you make, very informative and entertaining.
I was wondering.
I'm about to get a DDR4 mobo for my 12700k and I have the 3 MSI you talked about in my radar. I heard that quite a few people having sound issue (ex: random loud statics) with the realtek® alc4080 codec, which is on both the TOMAHAWK & the EDGE.
Have you had tis issue with your EDGE mobo or heard about this issue?
Also, I wanna get the PRO Z690-A but I'm trying to find a reason to spend an extra $100+ for one of the 2 other ones. I compared the 3 mobos and as far as I can tell they don't have much differences, other than USB ports, numbers of M.2 slots, VRM and sounds codec (realtek® alc4080 for TOMAHAWK & the EDGE and Realtek® ALC897 for the PRO).
However, I do not think the dif is worth $100+. I'm only interested in performance rather than looks.
I'm not gonna OC the CPU like crazy but I'm wanna keep the board for a long time and for now I only have 1 M.2 (might have a second down the road).
Would you thing I should spend the extra $$ for the TOMAHAWK or the EDGE or go for the PRO?
Thank you
I have circled the same thought process as you. How did it go, did you get the pro?
@@oliviamejlvang474 I got the pro and have it for a year now without any issues. works well for me
on 12900k for gaming, do you think it is better to combine ram 4000 cl 14 gear1 or 4600 cl 18 gear 2?
4000 c14
On X570 my Dark Hero is pretty decent, but yes their offer offerings tend to be behind MSI and Auros
Jufes can you take time away from your family. For no money, and help me with my z690 specs, build and overclock it for me, while also providing free shipping?
Too real 😞
is the ASUS PRIME Z690M-PLUS D4 also broken?
it's about the poor power stages you need really good cooling
Hi man ! Thinking about to go z690 edge ddr4 its gonna be my first one is it a good one never used msi
I buy ASUS boards because they effing last! Admittedly, I'm having second thoughts about my backordered ASUS ROG Maximus Z690 Extreme Glacial; why not simply call it ROG Glacial. It's not about the money. It's about the CPU. I'm not overly thrilled about throwing $2,000 at a consumer level CPU platform but I wouldn't think twice if this Alder Lake was an enthusiast LGA 2xxx with 30 or 40 cores.
BTW I have a ASUS Hero sitting in the box if I change my mind, but finding fast RGB DDR5 I don't see that happening even this year. Example Ideally a 4x16GB RGB kit of G.Skill's Trident Z5 DDR5-6400 kit with CAS 36.
My wife has her ASUS TUF with an i7 and a 4x8GB G.Skill DDR4 3600 CAS 16 most complicated tasks she does is use pictures for her real estate. Otherwise MS Office and Chrome. LMAO I thought about disabling all of the P cores and seeing if she'd notice.
@@DJaquithFL Anyone trying to get DDR5 is crazy there is no point till 13th Gen honestly it will be more worldly accepted by then i would stick with DDR4 till 2023 that's the honest truth!
@@DJaquithFL Lmaooooo
Got a gigabyte z690 aero g ddr4 on a really good sale, not stable over 3600. Sadly new bios didn't help, at least for this particular board. Returning it and have an msi one on the way.
Sadly I never knew about the gigabyte issue before ordering and wasted my time.
Memory capabilities is one piece of info that’s so hard to find info on if you’re not into overclocking.. VRMs haven’t mattered for a while really.. Great info
I’m building my first pc can somebody please give me some advice I don’t know what to do anymore.
I’ll put in a 3060 ti and I can’t decide between 5800x and 10900k. I really want 144 FPS stable
it's more about the ram you will use than the CPU here. both are very similar. If it's for warzone you will get bottleneck by the GPU a bit imo.
The main reason I went Asus, because I have a TUF AIO cooler that needs those LGA1200 holes. I wonder if their TUF Z690 have any issues?
I got the tuf too no issues so far. I bought 4400 mhz ram so Ill see if she plays nice. I was able to hit 3800 cl 14 on my ram it wasn't exactly stable. On my old msi z290 my ram could do the best of cl14 3600 3800 would not boot.
Wish I found this vid when I bought my gigabyte. Had BSoD due to ddr4, sent board back, company claimed CPU pins damaged and wouldn't refund me. So looking at msi now.
About the RAM thing, was your kit on the compatibility list? If it wasn't you have no real reason to complain, its not broken, its been like this for eternity.
I learned hard lesson many times when i got kits that weren't on the compatibility list and they didn't worked passed JDEC or if you tweaked manually some lower number below the advertised.
Now i only buy RAM if its on the compatibility list, either the RAM manufacturer or motherboard manufacturer, had ZERO issues since then.
I need a mini ITX board for my build in a nr200 so i went with the z690i from gigabyte. I couldnt find a msi board that exists in 690i and it makes me sad. So annoying I’m limited but hoping they update the bios.
I'm pretty sure I seen some marketing info on a Z690i Unify "Coming Soon"...
Jufes you said several times in the lives that the 6900xt with the 12900k is garbage, but it is still faster than the 6900xt with the 10900k right?
It’s the same, 6900xt isn’t reliant on the cpu for scheduling
I ended up going with a 6900xt with jufes vanguard recommendation. Also have the 12900k, why not such a good combo?
I am glad I stick with MSi again. Never had ASUS though it might be good because how everyone is overhyped about them. But yeah all of those ASUS fans are wrong and blind.
Most MSI boards seems to use the I225-V
From my understanding its garbage and effed up.
This is just a question, not dissing anything here. I have zero knowledge about this. I've just seen a lot of complaints about the I225-V. I was tempted to get the Tomahawk or even Edge. But at the same time I dont want my PC's internet connection dying and struggling every day.
Again I know nothing lol, just voicing my concerns. This particular minute I feel like theres not a single "great" z690 Motherboard out there. o.O
all internet issues i ever heard was from asus boards not any other company
You can clearly see that dude on the OCN haven't even tested the cheaper boards. Would definitely take anything he says with a grain of salt after that sentence. Maybe he knows about stuff he tested, or maybe he is as careless about his testing as he is about stating untested things as facts.
Still good stuff on that site though. Gotta follow the ram ocing threads that the engineers participate in. Just use your noggin and you'll be able to tell who is actually in the thick of things after reading a bit.
@@bigbill1467 Exactly.
I agree with you about the power stages but I think ASRock still fucked up again 😂😂😂
Thanks again for provibing us hype-free insights Jufes.
My 4x8gb cl17 4000mhz. Work only at 3800mhz on Asus strix A wifi D4.....
Yes i know Asus...... i really liked that pcie release button.... the struggle was real with my bykski double sided waterblock
Every Asus mobo I have purchased in the past 5 years has not worked out of the box from cheap b350 to my rog zenith. They all needed bios update and for some reason can't OC the ram on rog zenith. No issues with MSI. Always works OOB. I am going to stop punishing myself with Asus/Corsair
I've had a good experience with my Z170 Pro Gaming and Z390 Hero. I usually just buy ASUS because I like the features and the BIOS is honestly really nice to work with.
Im usually a big fan of MSI but this round of motherboards I've been disappointed to be honest, the quality of the boards seem really cheap and way overpriced compared to my z490 MSI board, for example I had the edge WiFi ddr4 and even tightening down the m.2 heatsink the standoff came right out the motherboard ( sadly only solder tacked into place) even after that I gave it a chance and experienced random crashes and problems with ram I only have medicore 3600 c18 xmp, anyway it had to go back and so I bought the tomahawk which is just a worse version of the edge WiFi ddr4 it doesn't even post with XMP unless I turn to volts to 1.4v, still has random crashes even at 2666mhz no oc, I have latest bios, clean install super disappointed overall in this platform it's a mess, stupid of me getting rid of my 10900k setup which was rock solid, so I've messed with the tomahawk and tried a few things to get it stable so far so good for only been few hours so far but if it crashes one more time I'm done wasting time and going for the strix z690-a d4 yeah it's overpriced but I just need a stable rig and not have mess around for hours, I noticed people got bios updates for it that makes it stable etc hence the reason for purpose, anyway let me know what you think overall about z690 platform, yes it's super fast and great and all but I personally think it's like a super fast car that gets great 0-60 or quarter mile runs but it's been built in a shed lol
i own 2x edge ddr4 ver. i dont crashes because its win10 issue
I got the aorus z690 elite ax ddr4 thinking it would be a good board for the money, amd boy was i wrong. Can't even run ddr4 3600 manually. Getting the msi pro z690 a for now until ddr5 is readily available, then I'll get the carbon. The aorus had an excellent layout and i/o though for the money
are you not afraid about the avx problem with the msi pro one ? playing warzone and using 12900k i hesitate between this one and the z690 edge wifi to not have any bad surprise.
@@Prussiane what do you mean? I've had absolutely no issues with with Warzone. With 12700k and rtx 3090, i get near 300fps at 1440p
@@kendragon2827 well i'm talking about what framechasers said in this video at 1:50, he said that z690-a pro can get the avx bug, so i was asking if it was ok for you, it seems to be, but the question is, is it luck or did they patched this problem ?
Haven't had any issues. Really want the edge wifi for the rgb, wish the carbon came in ddr4 version
zhrooms would take you to school if he heard you talking about him like that!!!
That implies I care
I wouldn't touch MSI products 95% of them are made of cheap trash I would buy Gigabyte over MSI any day of the weak but that's just me
Proof?
Wow $500 bucks an hour to talk to you on discord ? I hope that doesn’t include websites lol
There is a wait list how busy I am
Absolute MSI shill. Shits on gaming x but praise 690 pro how much you getting paid??
40 thousand dollars for this one video
I cannot listen to this guy. He sounds like the drunk chick who is arguing with the drug addicted boyfriend at the shady club. Ffs. Your sentences aren't even coherent.