I don't have words to express myself how this wonderful, the sinfonia # 4 by Beethoven. Karajan makes me feel. Happy, to know that only GOD ALMIGHTY can inspire this composition, in a human being. 😢❤🎉
As in "heart-breakingly beautiful", not in a teary kind of way. That's what Bach does to me too, and Mozart. and Chopin and a few others, because it feels like their music is so perfect that it just takes you to a place where only Beauty can exist, not marred by anything else.And it's a heart-breaking thing ,being in the presence of that sublime beauty because it's not how most of our daily lives look like. Hope that makes sense..
+olasylvia1 : I think the 4th is my favorite LVB symphony for all of the reasons you beautifully wrote. Sublime is not a word we get to use very often, or justifiably, but in the case of the 4th it's perfect.
Absolutely brilliant. I think fourth movement is about a mouse, an habitual visitor, that Beethoven tries to step on, but never can. The mouse scurries on, and Beethoven writes his masterpiece.
The reason why he is the best known is because he was a marketing genius. Its sad that the public still believes that a conductor can make music. Can you hear him ????
@@pytagoresque, you can hear him. Just like any other conductor. By setting the tempies or driving the orchestra, for instance. There is a difference between every conductor and you CAN hear it! Furtwängler and Karajan were the best conductors for the symphonies of Beethoven.
@@pytagoresque - It's got it's difficulties, judging orchestra conductors. The fact is, works of music are interpreted by the musicians in a small ensemble, or conductors in orchestras. So, a symphony conducted by one person, would sound different than another. But, like in the American game of football, there are many skilled quarterbacks who don't "make it", and that's largely on how good their offensive line is. In the symphony orchestra, the big name conductors are allotted more time to prepare for the performance. Time is money, especially for the number of people who make up an orchestra. Big money. The lesser known conductors have less time to work with their orchestra before having to perform. The bigger names, like Karajan or Bernstein get the most time to work out the many details in an symphony. Also, the bigger names get the better recording equipment and technicians. So, as it turns out, there are better performances of pieces of music, and they don't sound the same.
@@detlefneubert1759 don't care about the past, the best Beethoven is played now. Music exists only in the moment, we can not keep it. After this lockdowns we will get the chance to listen to the best Beethoven ever. Live in concert- the only way
en cualquiera de sus sinfonías y en cualquier momento de ellas, siempre descubro un nuevo instante de placer que hace que mi admiración hacia él nunca descanse...
May I give you all a shock? I'm 59 years old, I claim to love classical music and I HAVE NEVER HEARD THIS SYMPHONY BEFORE!!!!!!! Sad isn't it? I sincerely hope someone will reply to this comment of mine and rebuke me soundly! I mean it! The least I can do is to give this recording a like.
It's probably overshadowed by the Third which was a milestone because of its sheer scale and the Fifth with its well-known opening! But yes wonderful indeed! Thanks for your comment kind regards David
I have you beat, my man: i am 63, and well versed in the best music of the last 1000+ years of "Western" music.... yet this is the very first time i've listened to this delightful masterpiece, which is SOOOOO under-rated - but which contains one of the finest symphonic movements ever written: the second of course!! If it were written by ANY other composer, it would be hailed as one of his Best Things Ever, but alas it is overshadowed by Beethoven's bigger, better, badasser symphonies: 3, 5, 6, 7 and 9. Pity!!
In the Menuetto and in some other parts of this symphony Beethoven anticipated the invention of the automobile -- and taking the car for a nice drive in the country!
I don't know why, but when von Karajan conducts Beethoven, I have the impression that they were contemporaries. Something tells me that the great Herbert von Karajan was born to conduct Beethoven as Beethoven would have wanted.
Yo que tantas veces he escuchado a Beethoven me alegra redescubrir sus sinfonías 2, 4 y 8 pues hasta cierto punto me parece que son la cara oculta de un Beethoven más relajado, armonioso y musical. No tienen quizás las características beethovianas del 'pathos', las ideas extramusicales, la tensión y extremos, la exaltación y el paroxismo. Pero son refrescantes, bonitas, placenteras al oído y geniales.
16:12.......... WOW!!!!! This has to rate as one of the best musical surprises in history: Haydn you go and sit in the corner and watch how its done, lol.
Wouldn't say that about one of the most influencial man in music history, especialy in the symphonic form and the sonata. Also beethoven would never like someone saying that about one of his masters!
@@elie2133 A compromise solution to this dilemma is to recognize that Beethoven revered Haydn and had the morally and appropriate instincts not to try to openly offend the "inventor" of the symphonic form. However, Beethoven would have had absolutely no problem whatsoever conducting his own works with Haydn sitting in the corner (his "corner" being "front and center") perhaps even bristling at the newness and freshness of Beethoven's inventiveness .... and Beethoven would have had the strong and deep faith, like a prize fighter has during a very challenging bout, that his "team" (i.e. coach, medic, etc.) was "in his corner" during the heavyweight match that was any of his symphonic premiers.
Moins connue du profane cette quatrième symphonie est remarquable, on dit Beethoven vivant paisiblement lorsqu'il composât cette quatrième en Si bémol. Le scherzo indique "l'ère romantique" chère à Beethoven, ses meilleures oeuvres sont, ça n'engage que son auteur, post classicisme. En attendant la Cinquième autrement plus révélatrice s'agissant de sa surdité...
Einfach GROßartig! Ich verstehe bis heute die Berliner Philharmoniker nicht was sie an der Interpretation von Beethovens Sinfonien durch von Karajan auszusetzen hatten!?
Klaus Ackermann- Karajan:Er hatte etwas zu wenig Gefuehl fuer die Seele der Musik. Aber sonst dirigierte er richtig. gregorkoidl@centrum.cz Bin selber Beethoven und Smetana alo kann ich das beurteilen. Ohne Scherz Gregor Koidl
This was considered "long" at first, as Haydn's symphonies were shorter, and most folks thought "If it was good enough for Master Haydn".... Ludwig sure showed the world how to break rules!
Check the recording of Furtwaengler with the Berlin Philharminc, that is closer to perfect ;-) Karajan, with most of his recordings is just running it through. Although at the end it is all down to perception and personal taste ;-)
Beethoven para escribir la 9 sinfonía tuvo que escribir 8 sinfonías, en la novena sinfonía hizo el corolario de toda su música y no fue vanidoso amalgo (algoritmo) el himno a la alegría. No entiendo porque Beethoven y Gabriel García se fueron tan rápido.
Beethoven symphonies as I feel it, inspire not only Bravery, but also lead to the Final Victory of Good over evil! Read please Apocalypse! Tepper Michail.
Beethoven"s symphonies are unavoidable Garantee for the best part of mankind (in the last incarnation)that it shall ine- vitably be driven by Christ to the Father"s Bosom! In the Light of the Spiritual Science or Anthroposophy.
Encore et toujours c'est histoire de vitesse d'exécution. Choisir le bon tempo c'est s'assurer du bon déroulement de l'oeuvre : tout s'en trouve facilité, et c'est alors seulement qu'on peut y mettre les nuances et les intentions opportunes. Karajan qu'on a pourtant souvent critiqué pour sa précipitation, à l'époque, était pourtant le plus souvent dans le vrai. Ceci est une des clefs de sa réussite. Freiner l'exécution d'une oeuvre n'est pas si grave, mais l'accélérer est TOUJOURS une erreur. Se retrouver au volant d'une Ferrari comme la Philharmonie de Berlin ne signifie pas forcément rouler pied au plancher. Le grand Herbert l'avait bien compris.
@didier schein I’m quite well aware that Aromanian differs from Armenian What I meant was that Karajan was of Armenian Origin. Disputable. I know. But it boosts my Armenian egocentricity :)
@@andysoul295 Good morning, I know that Karajan`s family was some Aromanians from Greece and his father or grandfather emigrated in Wien. I`m not Aromanian but I have much admiration for the armenian culture. I think that you can boot your egocentricity with the personality of the composer Tigran Mansurian, for example. Have a nice day.
Amen bro!! Tell it like it is. Anyone disliking this great recording of this delightful yet underrated masterpiece, should be taken out to sea and set adrift with only AC/DC and Kiss songs on his or her ipod.
I don't have words to express myself how this wonderful, the sinfonia # 4 by Beethoven. Karajan makes me feel. Happy, to know that only GOD ALMIGHTY can inspire this composition, in a human being. 😢❤🎉
Ahh. It sounds so amazing coming back and listening to it after a while.
Phrasing and dynamics, that's what's all about in this music, this maestro Karajan is on the top of this. This is the Beethoven I love.
Breathtaking and heartbreaking- but that's how all of Beethoven's work makes me feel.
+olasylvia1 Why heartbreaking? With the exception of the illusive introduction it's probably the jolliest of Beethoven's symphonies.
As in "heart-breakingly beautiful", not in a teary kind of way. That's what Bach does to me too, and Mozart. and Chopin and a few others, because it feels like their music is so perfect that it just takes you to a place where only Beauty can exist, not marred by anything else.And it's a heart-breaking thing ,being in the presence of that sublime beauty because it's not how most of our daily lives look like. Hope that makes sense..
+olasylvia1 Indeerd! Real beauty is always heartbreaking and one cries of joy too.
+olasylvia1 : I think the 4th is my favorite LVB symphony for all of the reasons you beautifully wrote. Sublime is not a word we get to use very often, or justifiably, but in the case of the 4th it's perfect.
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I forget how incredibly modern this work sounds, yet it was composed more than 200 years ago.
It has vigour that speaks to me through the ages.
Beethoven, una verdadera maravilla. Gracias por seguir viviendo en tu música.
Absolutely brilliant. I think fourth movement is about a mouse, an habitual visitor, that Beethoven tries to step on, but never can. The mouse scurries on, and Beethoven writes his masterpiece.
thank you so much for uploading!!!! there was nowhere on you tube this version, for me, the top of the tops!!!!!!
Only Von Karajan can bring forth the best of Symphony no. 4.There is the reason why he is the best known conductor. Thanks for the uploading.
The reason why he is the best known is because he was a marketing genius. Its sad that the public still believes that a conductor can make music. Can you hear him ????
@@pytagoresque, you can hear him. Just like any other conductor. By setting the tempies or driving the orchestra, for instance. There is a difference between every conductor and you CAN hear it! Furtwängler and Karajan were the best conductors for the symphonies of Beethoven.
@@pytagoresque - It's got it's difficulties, judging orchestra conductors. The fact is, works of music are interpreted by the musicians in a small ensemble, or conductors in orchestras. So, a symphony conducted by one person, would sound different than another. But, like in the American game of football, there are many skilled quarterbacks who don't "make it", and that's largely on how good their offensive line is. In the symphony orchestra, the big name conductors are allotted more time to prepare for the performance. Time is money, especially for the number of people who make up an orchestra. Big money. The lesser known conductors have less time to work with their orchestra before having to perform. The bigger names, like Karajan or Bernstein get the most time to work out the many details in an symphony. Also, the bigger names get the better recording
equipment and technicians. So, as it turns out, there are better performances of pieces of music, and they don't sound the same.
@@detlefneubert1759 don't care about the past, the best Beethoven is played now. Music exists only in the moment, we can not keep it. After this lockdowns we will get the chance to listen to the best Beethoven ever. Live in concert- the only way
The 2nd movement is so compelling ,i forgot to breath ! The greatest conductor ever...... PERIOD
0:00 - Adagio-Allegro Vivace
10:57 - Adagio
22:10 - Menuetto
28:10 - Allegro ma non troppo
3:05
en cualquiera de sus sinfonías y en cualquier momento de ellas, siempre descubro un nuevo instante de placer que hace que mi admiración hacia él nunca descanse...
Todas son obras de arte
Such an underrated work, I think No.4 is one of Beethovens finest over all, the first movement is such an epic opening............
Nah
عمري 19 سنة للتو بدأت اكتشف جمال هذه السيمفونيات راحة ♥️
May I give you all a shock? I'm 59 years old, I claim to love classical music and I HAVE NEVER HEARD THIS SYMPHONY BEFORE!!!!!!! Sad isn't it? I sincerely hope someone will reply to this comment of mine and rebuke me soundly! I mean it! The least I can do is to give this recording a like.
Consider yourself soundly rebuked
Thank you, Rupti! I feel suitably chastised.
Usually people speak too little of the Fourth Symphony. So it isn't strange if you hadn't ever heard it! What a wonderful discovery, isn't it?
It's probably overshadowed by the Third which was a milestone because of its sheer scale and the Fifth with its well-known opening! But yes wonderful indeed! Thanks for your comment kind regards David
I have you beat, my man: i am 63, and well versed in the best music of the last 1000+ years of "Western" music.... yet this is the very first time i've listened to this delightful masterpiece, which is SOOOOO under-rated - but which contains one of the finest symphonic movements ever written: the second of course!! If it were written by ANY other composer, it would be hailed as one of his Best Things Ever, but alas it is overshadowed by Beethoven's bigger, better, badasser symphonies: 3, 5, 6, 7 and 9. Pity!!
Beethoven numeros 1 io mi inchino davanti alla sua MUSICA Beethoven💞😙❤❤❤❤😙👍👍👏👏👏👏🎶🎼🎹 THE BEST
Beautiful music and the director the Best ever was
This symphony no.4 of Ludwig van Beethoven marks the very start of my journey into classic music.
Great place to start!
ruclips.net/video/Gi5VTBdKbFM/видео.html
In the Menuetto and in some other parts of this symphony Beethoven anticipated the invention of the automobile -- and taking the car for a nice drive in the country!
Some people are born by the Almighty Creator with goodness, emotion and extraordinary powers and abilities. Ludwig Van Beethoven is such a person…
I don't know why, but when von Karajan conducts Beethoven, I have the impression that they were contemporaries. Something tells me that the great Herbert von Karajan was born to conduct Beethoven as Beethoven would have wanted.
Yo que tantas veces he escuchado a Beethoven me alegra redescubrir sus sinfonías 2, 4 y 8 pues hasta cierto punto me parece que son la cara oculta de un Beethoven más relajado, armonioso y musical. No tienen quizás las características beethovianas del 'pathos', las ideas extramusicales, la tensión y extremos, la exaltación y el paroxismo. Pero son refrescantes, bonitas, placenteras al oído y geniales.
De acuerdo con usted.
16:12.......... WOW!!!!! This has to rate as one of the best musical surprises in history: Haydn you go and sit in the corner and watch how its done, lol.
Wouldn't say that about one of the most influencial man in music history, especialy in the symphonic form and the sonata. Also beethoven would never like someone saying that about one of his masters!
@@elie2133 A compromise solution to this dilemma is to recognize that Beethoven revered Haydn and had the morally and appropriate instincts not to try to openly offend the "inventor" of the symphonic form. However, Beethoven would have had absolutely no problem whatsoever conducting his own works with Haydn sitting in the corner (his "corner" being "front and center") perhaps even bristling at the newness and freshness of Beethoven's inventiveness .... and Beethoven would have had the strong and deep faith, like a prize fighter has during a very challenging bout, that his "team" (i.e. coach, medic, etc.) was "in his corner" during the heavyweight match that was any of his symphonic premiers.
Bellissima!
It's P e r f e c t !
Pleasant and immensely satisfying...
Non è ai livelli delle due sorelle che la precedono o la seguono ma comunque è grandiosa.
È più dimessa ma lo è...
superbes nuances et tout le reste des sonorités splendides comme avec tout ces chefs d exception sans parler de la philharmonie de Berlin
Moins connue du profane cette quatrième symphonie est remarquable, on dit Beethoven vivant paisiblement lorsqu'il composât cette quatrième en Si bémol. Le scherzo indique "l'ère romantique" chère à Beethoven, ses meilleures oeuvres sont, ça n'engage que son auteur, post classicisme. En attendant la Cinquième autrement plus révélatrice s'agissant de sa surdité...
Je suis un profane et je connais la quatrième ainsi que bien d'autres œuvres de Beethoven, bien entendu je le dis avec humilité.
Maravilhoso 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
16:12 is just absolutely incredible
yeees,indeed !!!
It's truly a masterpiece
Einfach GROßartig! Ich verstehe bis heute die Berliner Philharmoniker nicht was sie an der Interpretation von Beethovens Sinfonien durch von Karajan auszusetzen hatten!?
Klaus Ackermann- Karajan:Er hatte etwas zu wenig Gefuehl fuer die Seele der Musik. Aber sonst dirigierte er richtig. gregorkoidl@centrum.cz Bin selber Beethoven und Smetana alo kann ich das beurteilen. Ohne Scherz Gregor Koidl
gregor koidl if y are going to make such a claim you need to back it up with evidence.
The shortest half hour I know.
This was considered "long" at first, as Haydn's symphonies were shorter, and most folks thought "If it was good enough for Master Haydn".... Ludwig sure showed the world how to break rules!
Good one en Venezuela decimos buena esa
Magnifique. On vibre terrible .
De acuerdo: terrible. La wea foooome....
Gloriosa!
great maestro
1. 0:04
2. 10:57
3. 22:10
4. 28:10
I never understand all the fuss about Beethoven,until I heard ,,No4,
Love
Robert Haasch really....
yes😇
Just perfect!
Check the recording of Furtwaengler with the Berlin Philharminc, that is closer to perfect ;-)
Karajan, with most of his recordings is just running it through.
Although at the end it is all down to perception and personal taste ;-)
this is a much better version than the last one i heard.
Solti , Ormandy, and Fritz Reiner are equal to Karajan in their rendition of the magnificent 4th.
No conocia esta sinfonia, la he descubierto, leyendo La decision de Sofia, la voz narrante habla del adagio, en modo paticular. Gracias W. Styron
Beethoven ,Genius
Beethoven para escribir la 9 sinfonía tuvo que escribir 8 sinfonías, en la novena sinfonía hizo el corolario de toda su música y no fue vanidoso amalgo (algoritmo) el himno a la alegría. No entiendo porque Beethoven y Gabriel García se fueron tan rápido.
Nu mai scap de ia ce mult îmi place😀
🇰🇷🇰🇷🇰🇷👍🙂😇🙏고맙습니다
旦那様、僕のくしゃみでおわかりでしょうが、脱力！いつもの話、脱力！僕は脱力に作られてるって話ね！夜はソワソワ！寝付きが悪いのは気にしてるんだけどね。そういう時旦那様動画でしょ？って、興奮して余計大変❤❤
Lembrança de um tempo em que havia muita esperança porque, na juventude, tudo parece possível...😊
Merci beaucop
4:26 Alkan Symphony for solo piano 4th movement!
Is so important to listen this four movments, nothing like this .
Beethoven symphonies as I feel it, inspire not only Bravery, but also lead to the Final Victory of Good over evil! Read please
Apocalypse! Tepper Michail.
Saaaale weón....
Beethoven"s symphonies are unavoidable Garantee for the best part of mankind (in the last incarnation)that it shall ine-
vitably be driven by Christ to the Father"s Bosom! In the Light of the Spiritual Science or Anthroposophy.
I love this very slow tempo in the Adagio!!!
Great!
4 5 8 bass is beautiful paolo gentile de nittis
👏🏻
6:23 reminds me very much of Schuberts Quintet in C...
旦那様おはようございます😊嫌な夢見た。愛してる旦那様❤❤
カラヤンって真横のアングル好きだよね、狙ってる感昔から！
今音違ってなかった？何版？あれ？ありなの？なぬ？気になる！
Moins connue mais magnifique !
Encore et toujours c'est histoire de vitesse d'exécution. Choisir le bon tempo c'est s'assurer du bon déroulement de l'oeuvre : tout s'en trouve facilité, et c'est alors seulement qu'on peut y mettre les nuances et les intentions opportunes. Karajan qu'on a pourtant souvent critiqué pour sa précipitation, à l'époque, était pourtant le plus souvent dans le vrai. Ceci est une des clefs de sa réussite. Freiner l'exécution d'une oeuvre n'est pas si grave, mais l'accélérer est TOUJOURS une erreur. Se retrouver au volant d'une Ferrari comme la Philharmonie de Berlin ne signifie pas forcément rouler pied au plancher. Le grand Herbert l'avait bien compris.
ベートーヴェンの運命、家にレコード３枚はあったけど、カール・ベームとカラヤンと後思い出せないの。❤❤
思い出そうとしたらゼルキン親子出た！違うし😊頭疲れる、、誰か知ってはいけないのか知らなくていいのかわからん。❤❤
Only Karajan can bring out the best of Beethoven One can hear him conducting Try it out with a different conducter.
Szell,
נפלא
DOMINANT PROLONGATION!!!!!!!!
30:54 bassoon solo
🌿새로운 발견 !!!🐟🐟🐟
Only 34 minutes of this monumental music..
De lo bueno, poco
３歳？４歳？の時メータの復活のレコードジャケット眼の前にして呪文かけられたのを思い出し始めた。❤❤
netter Benutzername ;)
очень хорошо
La piu' bella cavalcata nelle sinfonie di Ludovico.
旦那様、呪い解けたの？朝から旦那様動画観たくて観たくて！じぶんでもハテナです。まらごだじょありがとうございます！朝イチで、嬉しいです！旦那様愛してる❤❤
Караян гений
Hole symphony is GODLIKE. But 16:11 just EPIC.
Ashot Barkhudaryan divine
The beginning sounds rather like the beginning of Strauss's Alpine Symphony, doesn't it. I mean, the other way around.
mmm maybe but beethoven was thinking about something else.. I guess.
minuetto*
ああ、昔はもっと肩が張ってて、見苦しかったの、男より男らしい肩してた、今少しましかも、でもこれ、、❤❤
旦那様、僕の水泳見たらびっくらこくよ、男みたい、男より速いし。スイミングクラブの先生より全然僕の方が上手い！偉そうだけど、この肩半端ねぇ！！
あぁ良かった！嫌われるかと思ったよ！この年でこの肩、胸筋わかるでしょ？（笑）自虐ネタみたいな肩と胸筋！❤❤
ヒロシが、肩が可愛くなるよって言ってスイミング入れられたの、思い出してきた。嘘つけ、見苦しい肩！腹立つわ！
😀😇😍
7:45
旦那様、僕にメータ入ってるの知ってた人？言われてみれば顔似てる時あった！❤❤
How was it recorded in such a good quality?
Very carefully....
most likely redone at a later date engineer
rip solider btw
Yeah
このモリモリの胸筋、ゴールドジム通ってますって言える筋肉！ホント腹立つ！旦那様、ごめんなさい、ホント男なの僕。
19:30
メータの復活、家にレコードあったはず、呪文でわからなくされてるけど。❤❤
Karajánnis, greek.
Caraiani : aromanian.
Armenian
@@andysoul295 No, aromanian is not armanian,
@didier schein
I’m quite well aware that Aromanian differs from Armenian
What I meant was that Karajan was of Armenian Origin. Disputable. I know. But it boosts my Armenian egocentricity :)
@@andysoul295 Good morning, I know that Karajan`s family was some Aromanians from Greece and his father or grandfather emigrated in Wien. I`m not Aromanian but I have much admiration for the armenian culture. I think that you can boot your egocentricity with the personality of the composer Tigran Mansurian, for example. Have a nice day.
僕、笹野バレエで自分を鏡で見ては悲しくて鏡嫌だった、肩と胸筋育ちすぎやろ！！（泣）
思い出した！マジでおっさん達が白鳥の湖踊るバレエ団、僕の事だった、、痛いわ、、マジか。
思い出してきた！僕がピアノを教え始めて水泳を週５位泳いでたもんだから、お空行く気満々と勘違いされて身が危なくなってきたから、又エロでいかなきゃいけなくなって、森洋って奴とつきあわされる事になったんだ。僕じゃない、ヒロシだ。ヒロシに聞け！
腹立つわ！旦那様❤❤
旦那様、ホントごめんなさい、僕は男です、ハイ。
旦那様ごめん、僕そっち方面だった、、❤❤
今デブだから肩も胸筋も普通に見える。僕的にはね！（笑）
Dislike this? Then you lost your soul.Like this then you have a soul
A God damn this is no fucking 12 yo Facebook page. One like = One prayer for Beethoven or what?!
Amen bro!! Tell it like it is. Anyone disliking this great recording of this delightful yet underrated masterpiece, should be taken out to sea and set adrift with only AC/DC and Kiss songs on his or her ipod.
Colossal
A tad too slow. ( don’t forget he was a Nazi). As Claudio Abbado said “every one a masterpiece”.
僕ね、服の胸部に１日のメニューがつくんだよ。だからなるべく黒を着てる。
さっき人参を無理やりジューサーに押し込んだの、めちゃウケた。意味全然わからんけどね、わからんのに笑える！❤❤
旦那様、リッッッッカルドムーティなら、シャイイイイはどう？（笑）
旦那様、中音域のホルンだから、トータルでバランス良く振れますね！❤❤
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カラヤン嫌い！自意識過剰！ショルティ好き！
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