"Hakan when oiled, one of the strongest characters in the game." "Hakan when oiled, one of the strongest characters in the game." "Hakan when oiled, one of the strongest characters in the game."
I really loved watching this on stream, i thought the commentary was great and we saw some amazing footsies and neutral... I really miss this kind of gameplay lately, this game was so fun to watch.
Man you’re so right. Five is a BORING FLOP. A perfect example of simplifying things… to appeal/cater to a less skillful audience. Challenge creates greatness. Not dumbing things down!
@@AC-LING666 In your opinion. But in mine, even winning in that game brought me no joy. Its just guessing over and over until you guess right and then do a stupidly easy max damage combo, and then keep up on oki until they're dead. It's boring as hell, but if that's what you enjoy, then more power to you, go play your game 😁
Wow, Daigo gets points for everything. He wins, he's a hero. He loses "well, he just is beyond winning" Come on. Not to say that he's not an amazing player, he is. He'd kick my ass. But you got to put his talent in perspective
To be fair... Daigo has earned the right to get points for everything. He really IS the greatest of all time at Street Fighter. The fact is, people can beat him, but there will never be anyone better than him in the game. He has the respect of everybody in the FGC.
you think so? Idk man. Don't get me wrong, the man has put in work. alot of it. But to give him brownie points for losing? I can't cosign on that. He just didn't play his best, and he met some strong competition. Nothing against him, but thats just evo. saying he didn't want to win takes away all the hard work other people put in to train and beat him.
Cpointman417 I see where you're coming from... but at a certain point in EVO (typically the top 8), EVERYONE gets brownie points. Look at PR Balrog: he got tons of respect from the crowd even though he lost. Plus remember, the stuff said about Daigo is just from commentary, whose job it is to hype everything. They were exaggerating.
***** Your point is probably the most valid here. If Daigo didn't make top 8, I doub't there would have been ANY 'brownie points' for him. I mean, can you imagine if Daigo didn't make top 8? There would be carnage, people would be more likely to actually talk down about him rather than say things like 'he's beyond winning'. But at the end of the day, it's just the way it is. Better off forgetting about it and watching the tournament, no?
Basically, because the way that stage is, all the boxes, the red line in the middle etc. It means that the players will know exactly where their attacks will stop, the precise spacing on their moves. That kinda jazz.
Watching this after playing 6 makes you realise just how much faster this is. 6 is dead tbh there's no hype like this game, sf4 is the best fighting game ever made and this era was so amazing for fighting games.
They're playing on PS3. For some reason the PS3 version of the game has been said to have random lag issues. Using the training stage with less background "noise" in terms of graphics, reduces the possibility of lag interference with the game. Most players actually hate having to play on it because it's boring and the BGM is terrible, but its either that or possibly having dropped frames during the match. So they just tough it out and use the training stage.
Just so you know, the "five gods of fighting games" doesn't really refer to street fighter. In fact, sako and haitani were known as gods due to their vampire savior play.
Its like watching a real karate match compared to a fight in a movie. The movie is designed to be constant action and get you pumped up for the movie, whereas the actual fight is more about subtlety and skill.
First, it's Daigo. Second, the guy's already won an EVO tourney before. That, and he plays who he likes. Mad respect for him playing who he wants to, instead of picking top tier.
Looking back to SF4 & SFV, PR Rog and Punk were the closest Americans to win an EVO based on how they played. PR Rog was looking unstoppable until the Hakan counter. Punk's nerves got to him and Tokido's experience kicked in during the grand finals.
Daigo is far beyond Infiltrator's skills. Its like he was throwing the fight or holding back for some reason. He destroyed Akuma countless times in championships before but he walked into each combo. He knows the counters, it must be muscle memory at this stage. I just don't know what to believe anymore.
I still can't get over the insane Ibuki combo Sako does Against Xian in the winners bracket and i mean that is the most positive way ever even tho I respect Sako and Xian equally
Bandeira do Rio Grande do Sul marcando presença no EVO 2013!! Gaúchos por todos os lados! Aliás, baita final... Quem diria que o Gen seria personagem de pressão!!
So I'm a massive fan of Mortal Kombat, it's the only fighting game I've ever played and I've put many MANY hours into it. I got Street Fighter 4 on the Xbox Gold Market for free, 'cause you know, fighting. But I'm struggling to get into it and I feel like the special moves are a lot harder to pull off, any tips for a noobie? :P
I was the same when I started, just keep training offline, doing challenges and trials, getting used to the buttons & getting to know all the moves and you'll be great in no time.
nice to see Tokido's respect to Xien there at the end and in the ceremony. Also great win, I wish Sako would've taken it though :( PR Balrog was also just so impressive... as well as good ol Infiltration lol. full of great players
Is Capcom do so much changes in Street Fighter 4 because i didn't expect a Gen player to be an Evo champion or his opponents doesn't know how to counter him?I thought Gen is a low tier character but Xian was very impressive with him.
Myg od this is the best tournament game of all time. If 3rd strijke came out now, it would probably be top. But this game, in its peak man what a sight. Guys doing these human combos. It took me a while to like sf5, but man this game will be a forever game I go back to for like 40 years I think. Still wacthing finals 10 years later and still re-installing it to play for a couple of sessions. Sf5 and Sf6 will never come close to what this means to the fighting game community. Not slighting those games, but this shit was just the fuckin best
Because it's more back and forth in ssfv. In marvel high level play, it's often a matter of who gets the first good hit confirm into a very long combo that more often that not kills a character. I touch = death. While very hype it's not as suspenseful as the nail biters in sf were one combo does not = death and anyone can make a comeback. Not to mention there is no op modifier in sf IE xfactor, so comebacks in sf are truly earned with outplaying your opponent while clinging to life. Love em both
Im so glad for xian, he is sooo good player, abd bot use the same charact like, ryu, akuma, guile, bored charact, he use gen!!! Is to dificultd to play, really im so glad for him
Really the only character you listed that is overused in tournament is Akuma... I can only think of 1 notable player for both Ryu and Guile. Daigo, and Dieminion.
Looks like SF4 is now dominated by ultra fast characters masters of pokes and chips followed by ultras. Of course, the players are super skilled but the matches lack, relatively speaking, depths and dimensions. I'm glad that Daigo sticks with Ryu. The "older" and slower characters are much more fun to watch. Daigo is like Roger Federer in tennis. Roger may not be the best anymore against younger opponents who are faster and have more powerful shots (and playing on slowed down surfaces) but his elegant and multi-dimensional tennis is often more fun to watch.
Josh Won Dude, ryu's dash/walk speed are among the slowest in game. I tottaly understabnd what dysonlu is saying. Ryu doesnt have these fancy shmancy vortexes, and fancy tech. The characters ability is in direct correlation to the players skill. If hes doing good, it means you are good. Nuff said !
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And... About Daigo: I believe that he is more like to a guy who wants to play with the character he loves most, than just win the tournament. He is better with Ken, but (I dont have his level... Far from it), but I like Ryu as well... And even with a lot better char, with more damage power, or potencial power to win another char, I would prefer to play and get fun... Well, thats it, for me
not only that plays like ryu, but looks like him or even have a similar move: dan, sean, evil ryu, and some people even consider gouken and oni as just variatons of shotos. But yeah, the main shotos are ryu and ken.
im sick of all these akuma players, hes gonna be nerfed really hard next update, no disrespect to tokido & infiltration, though they are excellent players but was happy to see a mokoto and hakan in top 8!!
Tell me if I'm wrong but in the Infiltration vs Daigo fight doesn't Akuma counter Ryu and Ken pretty well? Akuma has air hadoken and has a hadoken that can go against a enhanced hadoken from Ryu and Ken plus let's not forget about his phase through ability. Infiltration picked the perfect character to fight against Ryu, Akuma counters him pretty good.
DM Diamond Akuma is still easily one of the best characters in the game. His life being lower is a balancing factor, but it's not enough considering Akuma's toolset and ability to do a few different strategies very well.
Except Akuma's rushdown is retarded. His resets are hard to predict and get him easily the same damage on Ryu without even using his ultra. He can zone better with his aerial fireballs, and can punish jumping with Raging Demon, which does too much damage. Just follow the actual match between a great Akuma and Ryu. Ryu loses ground because Akuma can do everything he does, at the cost of needing to be more on point. But matches like Infiltration vs Daigo at the last EVO show that Akuma owns that matchup if he can avoid being caught out.
Josh Won ryu has better footsies than akuma? do you even play any of those characters to make that claim? akuma has godly walkspeed, a safe sweep that leads into crazy vortex AND he can keep up with ryu's fireball game...how exactly does this mean that ryu wins the ground game?
Basically that ^ I don't see why people are having trouble swallowing this. Akuma (at least in tournaments) is one of the most trafficked characters, and for good reason, while Ryu is less so, for the aforementioned reasons.
Well, the origin of the term is from Capcom originally calling Ryu/Ken as doing Shotokan karate. Funny part is, their style doesn't actually look like Shotokan, and in SF4 they officially changed it. The FGC calls anyone who has a "fireball" and "dragon punch" a shoto, even though in practice characters like Sakura don't play anything like Ryu. For that matter, the "DP" they call most special anti-airs is silly. It only properly applies to Shoryuken ... not KOF characters, etc.
i guess shotos are characters that have a fireball, uppercut, or tornado kick. dan, sakura. goki, i can recall from top of my head. some of friends consider sagat to be a shoto but i think generally he is not to most people.
Yes Seth Infiltration has amazing bags in his trick
"Hakan when oiled, one of the strongest characters in the game."
"Hakan when oiled, one of the strongest characters in the game."
"Hakan when oiled, one of the strongest characters in the game."
"If not the strongest!!!" xDD
+Frédéric Chopin Gen> Dudley > Cody Travers > Balrog
I don't get it. What makes him so strong?
@@boltdm8238 normal cancels and more range on command grabs
@@boltdm8238 it doesn’t really make him like a god like character but it was such a huge improvement compared to previous versions
This tournament is still extremely entertaining YEARS later.
8 years later and this game still slaps harder than sfv lmao
On gawd!
Yep. I skipped V altogether.
@@MindGamingMantisSame
Sailor moon was harder then SFV
Sf6 even
That intro was the best evo has ever had I mean just amazing. I felt the amazing emotion.
Xian is so clean, love his play.
I really loved watching this on stream, i thought the commentary was great and we saw some amazing footsies and neutral... I really miss this kind of gameplay lately, this game was so fun to watch.
"Amazing bags in his trick."
-Seth Killian 2013
1:38:20
"Oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil oil"
-James Chen 2013
1:32:35 - 1:38:20
"We're the fighting game community. We get stupid and ruin your Twitter" - Seth Killian 2013 1:56:45
Can't believe it's been 10 year. I remember watching this live all weekend lol.
4:55 Losers Round 1: Infiltration vs Daigo Umehara
16:11 Losers Round 1: Haitani vs Gamerbee
28:05 Winners Semifinals: Sakonoko vs Xian
42:20 Winners Semifinals: PR Balrog vs Tokido
51:11 Losers Quarterfinals 1
1:00:42 Losers Quarterfinals 2
1:09:33 Winners Final
1:24:21 Losers Semifinal
1:40:24 Losers Final
1:57:29 Grand Finals
thanks
I'm new to the game industry I'm glad it have evolved to this level one day I'll be able to participate.
Where you at on your progress?
I remember seeing this live. Absolutely crazy, and Xian winning AE was unprecedented.
He totally deserved that win. Hope he still thinks about it to this day, and I hope it brings him great joy.
this game is so good damn, i cant get hype with sfv but this is on another level
Man you’re so right. Five is a BORING FLOP. A perfect example of simplifying things… to appeal/cater to a less skillful audience. Challenge creates greatness. Not dumbing things down!
SFV better much better
@@AC-LING666 V is to videogames what rock, paper, scissors is to traditional games... and even then, I'd still rather play rock, paper, scissors.
@@beircheartaghaistin2332 SFV better much better
@@AC-LING666 In your opinion. But in mine, even winning in that game brought me no joy. Its just guessing over and over until you guess right and then do a stupidly easy max damage combo, and then keep up on oki until they're dead. It's boring as hell, but if that's what you enjoy, then more power to you, go play your game 😁
i think one of the best things about this top 8 is the crowd shouting Seichuusen Godanzuki.
Oh nice. Im glad PR Rog performed well since I am a fellow rog player.
Wow, some rally intense matches. Always loved Daigo vs Infiltration.
Everyone and their mom plays Akuma.
As it should be
Thanks for the upload Spooky, congratulations on your award at EVO this year!
Sometimes I randomly think about that time the audience cheered along with Tokido’s air fireballs.
Wow, Daigo gets points for everything. He wins, he's a hero. He loses "well, he just is beyond winning" Come on. Not to say that he's not an amazing player, he is. He'd kick my ass. But you got to put his talent in perspective
To be fair... Daigo has earned the right to get points for everything.
He really IS the greatest of all time at Street Fighter. The fact is, people can beat him, but there will never be anyone better than him in the game. He has the respect of everybody in the FGC.
you think so? Idk man. Don't get me wrong, the man has put in work. alot of it. But to give him brownie points for losing? I can't cosign on that. He just didn't play his best, and he met some strong competition. Nothing against him, but thats just evo. saying he didn't want to win takes away all the hard work other people put in to train and beat him.
Cpointman417 I see where you're coming from... but at a certain point in EVO (typically the top 8), EVERYONE gets brownie points. Look at PR Balrog: he got tons of respect from the crowd even though he lost.
Plus remember, the stuff said about Daigo is just from commentary, whose job it is to hype everything. They were exaggerating.
***** Your point is probably the most valid here. If Daigo didn't make top 8, I doub't there would have been ANY 'brownie points' for him. I mean, can you imagine if Daigo didn't make top 8? There would be carnage, people would be more likely to actually talk down about him rather than say things like 'he's beyond winning'. But at the end of the day, it's just the way it is. Better off forgetting about it and watching the tournament, no?
he walks himself into the corner constantly
Basically, because the way that stage is, all the boxes, the red line in the middle etc. It means that the players will know exactly where their attacks will stop, the precise spacing on their moves. That kinda jazz.
This game is still best... I play this in 2023🌹👍❤️🥰🥰
I know this shit was years ago but pr balrog still makes me pog to this day
man 2013 evo was the most hype evo.
the top 8s for sfiv, kof13, mvc3 were all awesome
God, PR Rog is STILL my favorite player!!!
i could keep watching this until EVO 2014....this Top 8 was just legendary
shitttttttttt bro come back and watch it again
What a beautiful moment that was.
11 years later and this shit still slaps harder than sf6
Watching this after playing 6 makes you realise just how much faster this is. 6 is dead tbh there's no hype like this game, sf4 is the best fighting game ever made and this era was so amazing for fighting games.
They're playing on PS3. For some reason the PS3 version of the game has been said to have random lag issues. Using the training stage with less background "noise" in terms of graphics, reduces the possibility of lag interference with the game. Most players actually hate having to play on it because it's boring and the BGM is terrible, but its either that or possibly having dropped frames during the match. So they just tough it out and use the training stage.
so what, this is the best quality on youtube right here, straight from the direct source, spooby
Mr spooky lol Seth with his formal talk. This was an amazing EVO and hope its as hype next year if not better.
1:14:07 cracked me up he just went nuts and akuma was flailing about at air with gen on the other end of the screen :3
what a great game this was for sure
I see a video like this has been posted and I'm so happy!
Just so you know, the "five gods of fighting games" doesn't really refer to street fighter.
In fact, sako and haitani were known as gods due to their vampire savior play.
Take a drink every time James Chen says "oil" in the Hakan matches, but call an ambulance in advance. You'll need it.
25:40 - 26:00 These dudes are funny. They are part of why i enjoy watching these videos
T hawk is so dominant when he swings you around and slams you on the ground holy shit
Its like watching a real karate match compared to a fight in a movie. The movie is designed to be constant action and get you pumped up for the movie, whereas the actual fight is more about subtlety and skill.
First, it's Daigo. Second, the guy's already won an EVO tourney before. That, and he plays who he likes. Mad respect for him playing who he wants to, instead of picking top tier.
Still watching and re-watching btw! April 2020!
"He's got these amazing bags in his trick."
Looking back to SF4 & SFV, PR Rog and Punk were the closest Americans to win an EVO based on how they played. PR Rog was looking unstoppable until the Hakan counter. Punk's nerves got to him and Tokido's experience kicked in during the grand finals.
Justin Wong was the closest in SF4 (bracket reset in 2009 Grand Finals, lost the second set 3-2).
Observation: as a Smash player Makoto's forward dash reminds me of Smash wave-dashing.
DAMN. That PR Rog/Infiltration match was fucking CRAZY. Such tight SF, so amazing to watch.
Daigo is far beyond Infiltrator's skills. Its like he was throwing the fight or holding back for some reason. He destroyed Akuma countless times in championships before but he walked into each combo. He knows the counters, it must be muscle memory at this stage. I just don't know what to believe anymore.
Holy crap, Xian is a freaking BEAST. Gen ftw.
"in 4th place, NOT pr fei, NOT pr yang..... its P R BAAAALLLLROOOGGG !!! "
I still can't get over the insane Ibuki combo Sako does Against Xian in the winners bracket and i mean that is the most positive way ever even tho I respect Sako and Xian equally
Even tho I'm watching this in 2016 now as a hype builder for Ibuki being the July DLC character for Street fighter 5
love the intro,,, real warrior stuf..
congrats to all of them
Bandeira do Rio Grande do Sul marcando presença no EVO 2013!! Gaúchos por todos os lados! Aliás, baita final... Quem diria que o Gen seria personagem de pressão!!
This is exactly what makes me so proud to main Gen myself.
i back from the future 2022 to say that daigo still playing like a monsta.
Pr balrog will be remembered as the guy who got hakan’d. Infiltration what a boss
that PR Balrog vs. Infiltration was just so fucking good.
So I'm a massive fan of Mortal Kombat, it's the only fighting game I've ever played and I've put many MANY hours into it. I got Street Fighter 4 on the Xbox Gold Market for free, 'cause you know, fighting. But I'm struggling to get into it and I feel like the special moves are a lot harder to pull off, any tips for a noobie? :P
I was the same when I started, just keep training offline, doing challenges and trials, getting used to the buttons & getting to know all the moves and you'll be great in no time.
I started off the same as you. The struggle is real but you'll get through it. It helps if you have someone to spar with of a regular basis :)
I wanna watch all the Evo top 8 videos
Just so I can watch all the badass intro scenes
Best SF top 8 in evo history
nice to see Tokido's respect to Xien there at the end and in the ceremony. Also great win, I wish Sako would've taken it though :( PR Balrog was also just so impressive... as well as good ol Infiltration lol. full of great players
This must be one of the only times a Grand Final for a game at Evo was also like a lore encounter from the series itself. Actually amazing lol
Another was Tekken at Evo 2019, Kazumi beating up her son and grandson lol.
Is Capcom do so much changes in Street Fighter 4 because i didn't expect a Gen player to be an Evo champion or his opponents doesn't know how to counter him?I thought Gen is a low tier character but Xian was very impressive with him.
great top 8 uploads spooky! x
Xian !!!! the best Gen in the business
Amazing bags in his trick
Myg od this is the best tournament game of all time. If 3rd strijke came out now, it would probably be top. But this game, in its peak man what a sight. Guys doing these human combos. It took me a while to like sf5, but man this game will be a forever game I go back to for like 40 years I think. Still wacthing finals 10 years later and still re-installing it to play for a couple of sessions. Sf5 and Sf6 will never come close to what this means to the fighting game community. Not slighting those games, but this shit was just the fuckin best
can someone please tell me the name of the song that starts at @2:40 I need this on my playlist lol
Time To Oil Up (Hakan’s Theme)
Because it's more back and forth in ssfv. In marvel high level play, it's often a matter of who gets the first good hit confirm into a very long combo that more often that not kills a character. I touch = death. While very hype it's not as suspenseful as the nail biters in sf were one combo does not = death and anyone can make a comeback. Not to mention there is no op modifier in sf IE xfactor, so comebacks in sf are truly earned with outplaying your opponent while clinging to life. Love em both
Im so glad for xian, he is sooo good player, abd bot use the same charact like, ryu, akuma, guile, bored charact, he use gen!!! Is to dificultd to play, really im so glad for him
Really the only character you listed that is overused in tournament is Akuma... I can only think of 1 notable player for both Ryu and Guile. Daigo, and Dieminion.
Daniel Vandre Akuma players: Tokido and Infiltration. Anyone else? If you want over-used, look at Cammy or Fei-Long.
Infiltration vs pr balrog is crazy hype match
Looks like SF4 is now dominated by ultra fast characters masters of pokes and chips followed by ultras. Of course, the players are super skilled but the matches lack, relatively speaking, depths and dimensions. I'm glad that Daigo sticks with Ryu. The "older" and slower characters are much more fun to watch. Daigo is like Roger Federer in tennis. Roger may not be the best anymore against younger opponents who are faster and have more powerful shots (and playing on slowed down surfaces) but his elegant and multi-dimensional tennis is often more fun to watch.
Josh Won
Dude, ryu's dash/walk speed are among the slowest in game. I tottaly understabnd what dysonlu is saying. Ryu doesnt have these fancy shmancy vortexes, and fancy tech. The characters ability is in direct correlation to the players skill. If hes doing good, it means you are good. Nuff said !
And... About Daigo: I believe that he is more like to a guy who wants to play with the character he loves most, than just win the tournament. He is better with Ken, but (I dont have his level... Far from it), but I like Ryu as well... And even with a lot better char, with more damage power, or potencial power to win another char, I would prefer to play and get fun... Well, thats it, for me
Can anyone tell me the name of the track which starts at -2:12:40
Sorry it's 2:40
PR Balrog !! BORICUA!! Cotto no se compara jaja Congrats from Puerto Rico !
Gen, probably in my top 3 characters that i want to be good at (not saying pro level good, just casual good)
That was awesome that for the upload
HEEEEE! HEEEEE! HEEEEE! etc. Gotta love it.
My favorite moment at Evo.
When ever akuma does hard knock down , the fun begins
Thanks for the upload Spooky!
not only that plays like ryu, but looks like him or even have a similar move: dan, sean, evil ryu, and some people even consider gouken and oni as just variatons of shotos. But yeah, the main shotos are ryu and ken.
Question, what system are they playing this on or is on like steam or something?
xbox 360
Ps3. Evo is sponsored by sony
is evil ryu a costume or another character?
Xian just plain deserved this more then anyone else.
I still think inflation should have won this
may i ask what is the controller did they use?
I remember watching this
Everyone remembers Tokido winning an Evo for SF4, funny thing is he never did. Didn't win until V, but it feels like he should have taken IV.
He did win Evo for SF2 with his Vega, but I get what you're saying.
People remember Evo Moment 37 but not KO winning 3S that year.
Haitani's Makoto is amazing.
40:22 the hard read dash through 😱
wasn't the concept of the Ultra-Combo originally designed to be a comeback-mechanic?
Anyone noticed xian's rapid eye movement hes constantly blinking as if something keeps getting in his eye
Drive rush is really necessary ?
im sick of all these akuma players, hes gonna be nerfed really hard next update, no disrespect to tokido & infiltration, though they are excellent players but was happy to see a mokoto and hakan in top 8!!
shuma gorath was trending? #calamaricombat?
Wow these guys play this really well , what system this for ?
They played on PS3 last year, but they're moving to 360 this year. It's also on PC. And in arcades, if you can find one.
Tell me if I'm wrong but in the Infiltration vs Daigo fight doesn't Akuma counter Ryu and Ken pretty well? Akuma has air hadoken and has a hadoken that can go against a enhanced hadoken from Ryu and Ken plus let's not forget about his phase through ability. Infiltration picked the perfect character to fight against Ryu, Akuma counters him pretty good.
Yes, but Akuma doe snot have as much damage. That's his flaw, so it makes for a balanced matchup.
DM Diamond
Akuma is still easily one of the best characters in the game. His life being lower is a balancing factor, but it's not enough considering Akuma's toolset and ability to do a few different strategies very well.
Except Akuma's rushdown is retarded. His resets are hard to predict and get him easily the same damage on Ryu without even using his ultra. He can zone better with his aerial fireballs, and can punish jumping with Raging Demon, which does too much damage. Just follow the actual match between a great Akuma and Ryu. Ryu loses ground because Akuma can do everything he does, at the cost of needing to be more on point. But matches like Infiltration vs Daigo at the last EVO show that Akuma owns that matchup if he can avoid being caught out.
Josh Won ryu has better footsies than akuma? do you even play any of those characters to make that claim? akuma has godly walkspeed, a safe sweep that leads into crazy vortex AND he can keep up with ryu's fireball game...how exactly does this mean that ryu wins the ground game?
Basically that ^
I don't see why people are having trouble swallowing this. Akuma (at least in tournaments) is one of the most trafficked characters, and for good reason, while Ryu is less so, for the aforementioned reasons.
one of best evos ever
Can someone tell me what's amazing about this gamme. I'm not dissing it I'm just wondering what the pros are doing
Well, the origin of the term is from Capcom originally calling Ryu/Ken as doing Shotokan karate.
Funny part is, their style doesn't actually look like Shotokan, and in SF4 they officially changed it.
The FGC calls anyone who has a "fireball" and "dragon punch" a shoto, even though in practice characters like Sakura don't play anything like Ryu.
For that matter, the "DP" they call most special anti-airs is silly. It only properly applies to Shoryuken ... not KOF characters, etc.
i guess shotos are characters that have a fireball, uppercut, or tornado kick. dan, sakura. goki, i can recall from top of my head. some of friends consider sagat to be a shoto but i think generally he is not to most people.