Testing a 1999 Apple Power Mac G4 AGP 400MHz
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- Checking out this slightly upgraded M7824LL/A (EMC 1810) system that was kindly donated! It's got a 16MB ATI Rage 128 Pro graphics card, 128MB RAM, 400MHz PowerPC 7400 CPU, and apparently Connectix Virtual PC was installed on there so that's fun.
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I'm so excited that you're looking at more old Apple stuff. My mom bought this exact computer as our "family" computer. At the time I was very curious about computers and would take everything apart. She made it abundantly clear that this computer was worth more than my life and I could never see the inside of it.
I have so many good memories playing the Sims with my sister on this computer. We both had families in the game, since she paid for it she got to use our actual last name, I was forced to come up with my own name. I scouted the room and saw the monitor was a Hitachi, so from that point forward I was Tim Hitachi. I am not remotely Asian but my young mind didn't really connect the dots anyway.
"i love how easy this is to open up and do what you want."
how times have changed...
Not really. Apple towers have always been like this. Even the current MacPro is a open-it-up-and-do-what-you-want sort of deal.
@@benanderson89 but the current mac pro is an embarrassment to professional level PC's...
@@marcusborderlands6177 no, it isn't. It's overpriced, yes. And yes, it's only purpose is to draw attention to Apple so they can sell more consumer products. But the Mac Pro is still very powerful, easy to work on, and worth the price to some of you configure it properly and buy your own RAM. Apple charges way too much for it
@@marcusborderlands6177 It really isn't. It's actually one of the better value workstations on the market -- when it came out it was something like $20k cheaper than an equivalent Dell Precision ($52k vs approx. $70k IIRC) - The few applications that support the afterburner card make it a good value proposition for video professionals especially.
Not sure where you got "it's an embarrassment" from.
My place of employment had an old mac tower (forget what version) that we could use or mess around with. I took the side off and wanted to take the SATA cable out of it to use somewhere else. There was a plastic insert screwed to the inside of the case though that the cables ran around. I couldn't get the cable out it wouldn't fit through the plastic insert. I looked up the official instructions for how I was supposed to get it out and the instructions said to use scissors to cut it in half and pull the 2 ends out separately. Yes I would say things have changed a bit.
Every time you say "Yoot Tower," it makes me think of the scene from My Cousin Vinny.
"Sorry, Your Honor. YOOOTHSSS."
And now I will too....
Excuse me, whut?
@@chriscrossan8034 in the movie my cousin Vinney the new england character says "youths" but his accent makes it sound like "yoots" to confusion of the southern judge.
@@robotdevildong1144 He's quoting the movie.
The first thing to do with this era Mac is change all the system sounds to “Quack.”
Gotta enable all the Platinum sounds!
Seshpenguin the zippo lighter clack for the window shade, the ticking that can just barely keep up when scrolling drop down menus... ahhh the nostalgia 😝
I kinda liked the "Boing" from the previous generation.
Emma Seckso Quite so .If it walks like a duck,talks like a duck,then it is indeed a duck! 🦆
Submarine was my favourite, and a bit of eep.
Clint, thanks for the flash back! My first job was at Connectix in the late 90's and one of the things I did there was help with the first release of Virtual PC. I had a minor role assembling the installer for the Windows guest extensions. Bjorn and Eric did most of the work... locked in their shared office for years listening to NPR while banging that thing out. I still recall a sign they had on their door "endian little hate I"... beautiful. They are definitely Mac guys.
There is something special about how the late 90's early 2000's Apple computers looked.
Indeed the feel
Looks like nickoledeon cartoon
Ofocourse! They had Steve's soul and love in them
I agree but I have a love/hate relationship with them but since I was born with them they induce a very interesting feeling
Simply an eye-candy computers back then.
I remember having one of these filled with Napster Music I downloaded back in 2000 lmao
Lol nice.
Tbh buying music from a store is pointless for a bunch of reasons.
1. We have technology like computers laptops tablets phones etc why do we need to go to a store to get music still.
2. This may sound weird but it's true, one of the record label members made a CP cover album. Nah nah I ain't payin no dime to support a bunch of pedophiles.
@Dante McCloud Music was all Napster had.
@@Tommy-pw6it qanon #Savethechildren Stan found.
Don't you mean Virgin Killer by the Scorpions? Which is from the 1970s? And hasn't been sold with that cover in decades? A ten year old was in playboy in the same decade. You're a fucking idiot.
Tell me more about your paranoid record company fantasies. I assume you don't listen to music on RUclips, Spotify/streaming and the radio as they all bring billions to your hated record labels?
@@Tommy-pw6it dude. The actual artists make way more money when you buy a record / CD or if you download it from their Bandcamp page. Also keeping local business alive while also preserving the experience of digging through first and second hand records and CDs, which is culturally important.
Pedophilia is pure evil, but thay record is old and hasn't been sold in years. Record companies profit off of digital music so, so much more, so unless you pirate all your music (which is way harder nowadays) you're a hypocrite. You make a stupid argument that doesn't stand at all.
@@Tommy-pw6it re: "buying music from a store is pointless" -sampling. ripping samples from high quality media is better for remixing than ripping from online audio streams, which have lowered quality.
Dear lord, that little circular indent on the side of the case just looks way too much like a condom for me to ever unsee it.
And to make matters worse at 3:20 “need to lube that up”
Now THIS is my kind of blerb!!
@Thistle Flower 🤣
All blerbs are my kind of blerb, but this one was really something else.
100th like
I knew you'd be in here, lol.
Macinblerb is what i'm calling my Clamshell now.
You're a girl? : P
@@psygn0sis Sam is short for Samantha, get over it!
@@Jamal_Tyrone or *SERIOUS SAM*
Or the iBlerb
@@psygn0sis good one 😅
The folding out door was always my favorite design. I wish every tower had that.
Clint, you should just go ahead and create a retro-gaming channel. Your voice, commentary, and knowledge of older games could get you pretty far.
That’s a great idea, maybe throw in old and obscure hardware.
@@GreenAppelPie I hear good things about a sexy mouse. I would watch a video about that
He could even call it something clever like, lgr? Lazy Game Reviews?
I mean his main channel has a ton of retro game reviews already
@@alexhobbs1208 what main channel? We are just watching some blurbs about some things
Everyone keep rewatching old LGR videos, get that support and money stream coming in to support LGR’s hurricane rebuilding!
My parents bought me one of these in 2000 on sale!!!! OMG it's so good to see her in full glory again. Treat her good LGR! :)
The 450mhz version of this was my first proper desktop PC for UNI, leaving my poor little A500+ at home forever!
Those G4 era LCD screens still look amazing.
Virtual PC's Windows 98 - looong befire bootcamp :))) Nice blerb, brings back memories
I remember getting an iBook in 2003 being forced to use VIrtual PC, at a time when there wasnt hardly any Apple software. I switched back over to Windows Laptops that week.
best case design EVER
I still have one of these that I upgraded to a 1Ghz processor with a kit. I used it until I couldn't any more. Love that machine.
I had one of these with a Sonnet 1Ghz also. And as many as three HD at once with a zip, memory pretty much maxed. Had Virtual PC on another machine. I can't remember the details though.
Welcome to the PowerMac G4 Club LGR! :-D
Got a G4 933 Quicksilver myself, dual booting between Classic OS 9 & OS X Tiger.
This was filmed like waking up as a roommate with Clint and walking in the other room to find him talking you through a new toy he got. I like the limited editing.
I am a tractor
These were the best cases Apple ever made. I worked in a lab full of 'em in the 2000's. They were so easy to get into, no tools, no flashlight needed. Those handles are comfy as heck, you could easily pick up and carry a machine one handed. Plus, when they were new, the paint/plastic looked real nice. Me and the other lab aides wished they sold them separate.
I'd love to see more old mac software videos in addition to the DOS/Windows ones.
I have one of these with a "Property Of Napster Inc." sticker on the front, which has got to be peak early-2000s.
I picked up one of these locally on Monday. A 500mhz version that's been upgraded to 1GB of memory. Only got it so it matches the 17" CRT Studio Display I picked up a few months ago in the same colour scheme. Yeah I'm down that sort of rabbit hole.
I started my desktop publishing "career" on one of these, around 2000. Men those things were heavy! The blue ones you mention were G3s by the way.
This era of Mac is still kind of my favorite. I recently started collecting Mac stuff in earnest and picked up one of each of versions of PowerPC towers that they made. They are still remarkably attractive and functional machines even today
I want that computer aesthetic to come back so much!
Max out the ram on it and if possible locate a geforce2 MX, and you'd have a pretty sweet early 2000s setup that would run Star Trek Elite Force and Quake 3 really well.
I played the heck out of Elite Force on my G4. Playing bot matches against all the random Voyages characters was awesome.
You can already max out the settings for Quake 3 on the stock gpu as it is, the thing's pretty good for anything late 90s-03 with the original config. If you really look for stuff you could get these as powerful as a G4 mac mini with multi-monitor support.
I had a mirror drive door (MDD) G4. I think my big splurge was extra memory. Still remember how frigging heavy that tower was. Also super loud... Like a wind tunnel.
these machines can take much faster cards, some shipped with a geforce3, and i'm even running a Radeon9000 in my gigabit ethernet model G4. afaik you can even use some of the powermac G5 video cards in these old G4s, as long as they share the same AGP connector
I used to use a Quicksilver someone gave to me that I upgraded to a GB of ram and an extra video card for the worlds most ghetto triple monitor setup until early 2015. I think the main hard drive died a few weeks ago but my OS 9 boot drive still works at least.
Cool machine. The plastics look like they're holding up well too, I saw a video about an iBook clamshell from this era recently and the translucent plastics were going all weird, turning green/yellow.
I never really wanted a Mac of this era since I liked keeping up with upgrades, gaming etc. but can't deny they made some cool looking computers that have aged pretty well despite typifying an era of design that very often hasn't aged well.
That shut down sound, or rather the sound of all the fans etc disappearing, is always a joy tbh.
I remember my sister getting the g3 version of this mac and playing the hell out of marathon on that computer.
There's a version of MacOS 9.2.2 from 2014 that has all the latest drivers and software built in, I'd recommend installing it if you want to start fresh.
Do you have a link for that?
But Steve Jobs put OS 9 into a fucking coffin in the early 2000s! How could that be from 2014?! /s
@@lcrazy8l its Fan made
I have a newer style PPC G4 Mac in one of those steel-like, monster cases. It’s a beast of a machine and I love it! I have OS9 installed, and so far I have amassed a respectable collection of big box games.
Anyway... excellent video as always, Clint. Keep it up!
I just scooped up a couple G4 towers myself! One of which is the 2 1GHZ processors! It’s not only a space heater but it’s also a wind tunnel!
2:29 I remember when Mac power supplies came with the power passthrough so you could turn your monitor off/on via your computer. I loved that design.
Just like my old 286 did about 8 years earlier? It was pretty common well before these appeared.
They removed that with the introduction of ADC since that also had power passthrough.. then they never brought it back even after killing ADC, probably it improved profit margins. Bah
What a nostalgia trip! We had that exact same config down to Virtual PC 3, as our family PC, and that one is in awesome shape too!
Oh man I used to have one exactly like that! I sort of miss it. I had upgraded the graphics and RAM, and it was always really impressive to me how easy to maintain it was (aside from swapping out the factory hard drive).
It was nice having a system that could still run Classic but also ran really well in OS X 10.4.
My Mac G4 AGP is nicknamed 'Digital Audio' and is EMC no. 1810 and comes with a Rage 128 Pro as well. In fact, I saw your unboxing video and our serial numbers are not very far off, either. Happy gaming; this thing is sweet!
The door is the best design decision they ever made. Just so goddamned cool.
Doing self-service maintenance on a mac
Old Apple: "Yah, cool bro."
Modern Apple: "Wait, that's illegal!"
These Mac videos are all instant clicks for me! Love these Sawtooth machines; can't wait for the first full-fat LGR featuring it! This made my morning :)
Really enjoying all this extra LGR content lately. Clint, you spoil us!
That "yeeahs" at the 21-minute mark sounds like he's channelling Hoovie. How long until the vintage computer collection starts getting called "hoopties"? Me wants deliciously nerdy cross over.
I had one of those when they were brand new haha. I remember having to wait for it to come in and being SO EXCITED when it finally did. Great machine
I used one of those machines at a previous job in 2006-2007 that was used as part of a special "asset management" project for a large government entity. The one I used was purchased 2nd hand and had been pimped out with a CPU upgrade to 1.2 Ghz, 1 GB of RAM and an 80 GB HDD.
The machine was setup to be able to dual boot between OS 8.6 and OS X and was used to make boot CDs that I had drive wiping, diagnostics and other software setup on. Depending on the CD used we could easily boot any G3-G5 Mac that had a working optical drive. The G4 AGP Power Mac was a fun machine to tinker around with back then!
Hey Clint! Long time viewer first time commenter here! Its funny that you did this video because your channel inspired me to seek out a system for retro gaming back in July and I ended up picking up/restoring this very same model of PowerMac G4. It's a fantastic system and I really enjoy exploring the old PowerPC software library on it - especially since all old PPC software is abandonware at this point and freely hosted on sites like Macintosh Garden and Macintosh Repository. I've got mine dual booted with OS 9.2.2 and OS X Tiger, but I too really want to get Virtual PC working because the potential for an all in one retro Mac/PC would be amazing! Enjoy your new machine, sir! I look forward to seeing it in future videos! :)
Mac then: let's put an easy to open door for people to upgrade our computers easily.
Mac now: let's freaking solder ram to motherboard so no one is able to put something on it.
Don’t forget they solder the SSD’s too
In before fanboy screeching
It is literally a love hate relationship when it comes to Mac
John Smith I’ve never seen anyone defend that practice, and I’m a bit of a fanboy myself. Stop projecting
@@Ssshrugs unfortunately humor.exe has stopped working
*Dons old man sweater, sits in easy chair, and grabs a Werther's Original*
I was in high school in the early 2000s when our newspaper class received a grant to purchase these and a few clamshell ibooks. It was like working in the future. I'm not sure which became outdated first: these or newspapers. Thanks for the video!
I set up an entire lab of this computer probably the summer of 2000 for my college journalism program at the time. 12 of them, I think. I will forever have a soft spot for this model.
Blurbs is such a fun channel format. Love these casual vids.
This brings back memories. These are the machines that were in the video editing classes in my college years
man there's just something about LGR doing mac videos, i love it. please do more, everyone loves a good vintage mac once in a while!
Oh nice. I have the g4 imac from the same era. I'm not a Mac fan but the ease of use on those g4 cases is an education. I had a friend insist I come out to her new work place to fit a zip drive for them as they couldn't work out how to open the case. "We've removed all the screws but it won't open". I tried to tell her over the phone but she insisted I go and perform the task, which they would happily pay me for. Her jaw dropped when I opened the case and she walked out the room lol.
Enjoy. The G4 Macs were excellent machines. Great CPU, great design and overall nifty machines. Now you have me wanting one...
Takes me back... i used to work with g4s and g3s when i worked for a newspaper doing ads in the early 2000s. Always liked them. Got hold of a g4 quicksilver 2002 a few years back. Apart from issues with youtube it holds up remarkably well for a 18 year old computer.
The G4/400AGP Sawtooth was the first new Mac I ever had at work. Same ZIP100 config with 256Mb RAM running a pair of 21” CRTs (so much desk space required). Absolutely kicked arse. After 2 years of Photoshop and Illustrator crashing NT4 based systems it’d run both all day without issue. For all the criticism of MacOS9 being utterly unmodern when you got your Extensions sorted it was rock solid and system installs could be rebuilt within 20 mins. And the case design is arguably the best ever. Years later I bought my own and set up it up as a ‘retro’ ProTools machine. Again, utterly stable.
Maxing out these machines with RAM, wifi and Bluetooth is an amazing thing.
They really futureproofed these things.
ahhh these old G4's bring back so many memories for me :) great vid dude
"...here is some printed words."
I always like some printed words. Thanks, Clint!
Seriously, your videos both here and on the main channel are always so edutianing.
Chiseled ones are way more metal.
I actually have this entire set up, with the matching monitor to it. One of my favorite sets in my collection. It's a beauty! Love the games of the time too
my mind is blown by how much attention to detail the case has. The fact the mother board on a tray lays flat is actuallybeautiful compared to working in some cases today
one of the best things is waking up to a new lgr video. greetings from greece
I remember running Virtual PC on our Macs at school around 1999 - 2001. We did it just so we could play LAN video games during lunch. Our Computer teacher was pretty awesome for letting us muck around with things.
My dad had one of these when I was a kid. I'd used loads of computers before, but this was the first one I fell in love with and wanted to really learn about. Plus, for the time, it was a surprisingly decent gaming machine.
This is my favorite case of all time. Loved those things. Haven't owned an Apple since a hand-me-down IIe. But I always wanted to cram a PC in that case.
NICE! I wanted one of these when they came out. We had a tiny Apple dealer here and they had one. Hidden in the back office. I never actually got it. But, ended up with a G5 a few years later. Fun video!
I used one of these all the way up until 2009 with a Sonnet CPU upgrade. One of the best computers I've ever owned.
This is giving me flashbacks to my art department job at the PennySaver
That is one gorgeous monitor, I had one back in the day and I miss it.
I had this same exact G4 in college. It had OSX 10.4, I believe. It was a solid machine! I really wish Apple would continue making mid-sized towers today.
I had a friend in high school who swore by his mac. He was also an avid gamer who spent his days obsessing over Myth and X-plane. What a late 90s catalog.
I had a Blue & White G3 like this and I LOVED that machine. Would buy a modern version of it in a heartbeat.
This Mac with the included super-rare-for-the-time flat-ish screen was my high school journalism workstation. We only had one of these and yearbook and the paper split duties. It’s where I cut my teeth editing digital photos on a pro work station, and I’ve later gone on to be a successful motorsport photographer.
It’s strange looking back how influential this kind of Mac was for me. 🤔
I loved how the inside of this computer was done!
I had one of these when I was a 10 year old back in 2010. Absolutely loved macs when I got my first MacBook a few months after.
Loving all of the blerbs lately.
Had one of these in the early 2Ks. If you look past the Apple plastics, its just a normal computer inside. You can upgrade the cd to a burner, and whats really nice is that you can upgrade to a dual cpu setup just by changing the card. No os reinstall required. There were first dual cpu support and 3rd party chips.
It’s a “Sawtooth.” I have one with a 1.2 GHz upgrade as well as a Grappler+ SCSI/Serial AGP card. Excellent package. Paired with a USB floppy drive, it acts as a go-between from my modern MacBook to my SE/30.
This is my favourite computer car of all times... I always wanted to adapt an ATX board with modern components into one of these!
Apple in the 90s and early 2000s: This is what computers in the future will look like.
Computers in the future: Mostly small black boxes/simplistic laptops.
thanks for introducing me to this game, looks like something right down my alley, managerial games, gotta laugh at my gaming tastes sometimes, but these types of games are so relaxing xDDD
Now these are cool. I used to have one of the MDD models with the dual processors that I picked up at a garage sale for $60 in the late 00s. It did dual boot for Mac OS 9 and OS X Tiger. I used iMovie and Garageband a ton on it for school projects so I didn't have to play the lottery with library PCs that were hard to reserve after school. Kind of regret getting rid of it back in college but I just don't have the room for another desktop PC setup even today.
My dad used to have one of these, first mac I ever really owned and used properly. Loved it
I love this era of Apple. I've got a PowerBook G3 Pismo and a G4 Titanium sitting on a shelf, but I don't have any desktops from the Era.
I got a Blue and White of this era 5 or so years ago. I was impressed by the layout inside and just the acessibility. Upgraded the ram and Processor. used OSX 10.4.
The issues you're having with Full Tilt in this video (with the game not "starting") are exactly the problems I've had with it on my G3 blue-and-white. For some reason, the game just drops down into slow-motion while it's waiting for the ball to come in - once the ball appears (which can take up to a minute!) speed goes back to normal, but in between balls, it'll just slow down again.
I can only assume, like you said, this is related to Mac OS 9. I'm running 9.2.2, for what it's worth.
AH yes had these in our high school in early 2000's. Love the Memories. In our computer room with 30 of these our computer teacher was wondering what 30 power macs sounded like powering up. All the students pressed the power button at the same time.. classical sound i wont forget!
Found your Blurbs Man and Subbed , liked and Shared , Great Look a a Computer we could not afford when it came out , I have a few in my collection and with full Ram these are great :) QC
Man I love those classic Power Macs. Would love to use that case to house a modern ITX build.
I feel as if this is good enough to be on the main channel :)
Virtual PC brings back such memories. I had it on my first gen iBook.
I just got mine today, 466mhz with 384mb. First Mac I've owned and so far it's pretty enjoyable with OS9 installed!
I’ve got one of these still kicking around. It was upgraded with a Sonnet CPU and an AGP graphics card (ATI Rage Pro 128, yes!) where a pin on the card had to be painted with nail polish as an insulator in order to make it work with Mac. Good times.
Cool old mac. I just got an old powerbook g3 one of the first models. And it still works. Some really cool old technology.
Thanks for collecting old school tech. you're our historian of technology
I used this as my main productivity machine until 2006. Such a beast
Funny I had a G4 400(mine was the the giga ethernet model) and had Mac OS 9.22 and 10.4 and played my Return To Zork thru DosBox since mine was the MS Dos versoin just to see how it would run(slow)and loved my Mac untill the power supply died(5 years later) and getting a new one was more expensive than what I bought my Mac for on ebay. Its not the Mac hardware I loved but I really love the Mac OS itself and I am a PC guy(ran MS DOS and Windows but for the last 20 years Free BSD or various Linux Distros and Free DOS)and have been since I was younger. Great memories and thanks for the video.
So much nostalgia... oof. My brother has been playing with old Macs recently and now I want to get an old Mac set up too. I'm excited for you! It may not seem like much of an upgrade over the iMac since it is only a 400 MHz, but the G4 and its Velocity Engine (AltiVec vector engine) really make certain software run a lot faster, especially OS X.
The earlier white and blue models where actually G3 models, and they were called 'Bondi Blue' G3s.
Airport doesn't use a PCI slot, the Airport cards of the era used the PCMCIA form factor and the card was installed in a slot behind the PCI cards. You can see the slot behind and to the left of the heatsink in the video at 3:21.
The very first G4 tower was literally the same motherboard as the Bondi Blue with a G4 chip on it, and it wasn't that good. They soon released your AGP model with a new motherboard made for the G4.
So this is technically not the first G4 model they sold, but it is the first G4 actually built as a G4 so it is the best, oldest G4 you can find.
Then they added Gigabit Ethernet in 2000 (yes, it has been around that long), and then there was the Digital Audio model with a few more upgrades in the same case.
Then they released the QuickSilver model which is absolutely gorgeous, and then finally the Mirror Drive Door model which replaced the Zip drive with an optional second optical drive. As the name suggests the optical drive covers where a shiny metallic material. Also really nice looking, but I personally prefer the QuickSilver.
Along the way there were models with dual processor options (starting with the Gigabit Ethernet model). The last new G4 model (also the one that added FireWire 800) before the G5 came out had a dual 1.42 GHz option, but it couldn't boot OS 9. When the G5 came out (which couldn't boot OS 9) they released the original MDD model with a few less options as the last Mac that could boot OS 9. It came with single or dual 1.25 GHz processors and is the fastest possible OS 9 Mac you can find stock (you can put up to 2 GHz aftermarket G4 chips in some of these models).
Side note: As far as I remember OS 9 can't take advantage of the dual processor (at least not as well as Mac OS X), so if you only plan on using OS 9 on it there isn't much reason to go for the dual 1.25 GHz, the single 1.25 is enough. Unless you want to dual boot OS 9 and Mac OS X, then you could use the dual processor under Mac OS X.
My brother currently has a dual 1.25 GHz running OS 9 sitting under his desk. ;)
Upon opening the system, to the front is a PCMCIA type slot that has all the wifi antenna hardware leading to it, that is the Wifi/airport card space.
My parents had a similar model, and although they used a circa 2006 Dell laptop as a primary computer, they held onto the Power Mac until 2011