True .... ..But sorry , where is that strong 'fire in the belly' in most Kashmiri Pandits. In the past they called upon Sikhs to help. The present Govt has done what it promised. ...About time they produced their own leaders like the Peshwa Pandits of Maharashtra who changed their ways to save their homeland .. This small step will be a big, game changer step for their cause.
Khalid says National conference members had to give ads to disassociate themselves from the party to save their lives. If that was the magnitude of the threat why have they been saying that Pundits were instigated by Jagmohan (the then Governer of J&K) to leave the valley. They are contradicting themselves.
He is the one who sees it - stares at it - in historical perspective. These others from Kashmir may be good journalists. But the problem did not begin in 1947 , when we , not the pandits as such, were fully cleansed on the other side , or in 1989 , when we were already totally vulnerable in the valley . They all say "the Indian State " , and certainly , the State handled it badly , not just in J&K , but in Assam , Bengal , the NE , Kerala , all over . But the way certain ideologies have been licensed has been the greatest problem .
1. Khalid repeatedly said " I know, I have written about it" and yet spoke as if he didn't know any facts. 2. Kudos to whoever it was who corrected Rahul Pandita when he said Karnad's xxx movie was based on a Sanskrit play. 3. The "moderator" hasn't the first clue about moderating. Also introducing Tavleen as the "oldest" member was in extremely poor taste. 4. Kanchan interrupting the panelists was very unprofessional. 5. Tavleen is a misfit for this discussion, she had zero facts. 6. Ashish, Aditya, and Rahul were really good, wish they were allowed to finish their thoughts, the moderator kept interrupting them. 7. The panel was missing Shri Sushil Pandit, Lalit Ambardar, and other stalwarts.
Sir four of them are kashmiri. And Tavleen is also one of experienced journalist of india. Come on atleast get information about them first and then give your opinion on it. They all have either suffered or seen all horandous things happened in kashmir.
Tavleen is the most hollow and conceited among these journalists . But none of them has given any fresh insight . It is like reading the old newspapers .
@@thrinethran2885 it seems like you have all info about kashmir. I say they are telling all history crap. Plz enlighten me on kashmir. What we should do to this part india.
@@MaddyJohnson33 Friend , you may be fresh , but I have read all these for over thirty years . And much more than what these people debate , which has been actually all over the media .So you now tell ME what you have learned .
If the sacrifice of guru teg bahadur ji for Kashmiri pandits is a legend then every historical literature which India swears by is also a legend. Mr. Dhar really needs some Sikh history lessons.
No guru tegh bahadur so called sacrifice for kashmiri pandits was just a legend ,he was executed because he declared himself as Sacha Padshah which was against aurangazeb.
@@leharyenduri6540 Sacha patshah? Seriously! Is that the best you got? I would recommend you to read an article in “The times of India” by Anish koul(a kashmiri pandit) who has beautifully elaborated about guru ji’s sacrifice with some details for your small brain to comprehend.
@@leharyenduri6540 also there is a Reddit post with the links to the Persian and other Indian sources where guru jis sacrifice for kashmiri pandit is clearly mentioned. Let me know I can share link with you, I don’t think you would know anything about google search.
@@leharyenduri6540None of Ram swaroop,Harjot oberoi McLeod or any scholar who has done extensive research on Sikh history could point out factual accuracy of 9th guru levying taxes on hindus and collaborating with a muslim devrish Hafiz Adam ( the narrative which Dhar and his Upword gang relies on ) Well if this turns out to be true then the same source also mentions Yar Khan an eunuch having amicable relations with 6th guru . Then the whole narrative of Sikh gurus were Hindus falls flat Think about it 😅 So better stick to assi hinduan nu bachaya si narrative it keeps both communities together lol
There was never any "Kashmiriat" only Kashmir Riot. They have been spoiled by the Nehru dynasty and pampered by his successors. A state that has been crying about why it needs special privileges as it was a minority "Muslim" state in a secular India, it does not even acknowledge that it has minorities and gives no special privileges to them.. Hypocrites of the first Order!!!
The great thing about such platforms and events being available to the general public nowadays, listening to different perspectives. I was agitated how India exploited Kashmir as has been fed to us from all the intellectual platforms, but now I have a totally different opinion. I as a cognitive being can make my own judgement about issues now, after comprehending both perspectives.
@@HinduPhoenix finally you Lindus stop drinking moot 😊 I m happy for u choosing lassi …… moot pee pee k salo gobar se cancer thk rahe they now u are in real track
@@HinduPhoenix we all know it's Ashish and his trad ilk who cry the most . Majority hindus discard his birth based varna theory.Modi ji didn't invite a single person from Govardhan Mutt in ram mandir inauguration.
@Manish Erande maybe all muslims are not religious bigots. Then what are they doing to condemn the "few bigots " ?? Why should such issues not be brought up ??? People cannot be told to shut up when uncomfortable questions and issues are raised.
Firstly I am a fan of Aarti. Secondly I learned ZERO from this discussion What a waste of a discussion. I am a fan of Aarti and find her views are very close to the reality in my opinion. Tavleen was a useless panelist. The entire discussion and views put forward by other panelists were a waste of time. Seriously, some think that religion has nothing to do with kashmir problem. Well sure, most islamic majority countries are what? A big example in my opinion. Entire history of muslim rule in India is an example of religious extremism.
Exactly We should not waste time listening to these noise creating SICKULAR donkeys. These Kashmiri so-called Pandits are Idiots at Best. Just Listen to Pushpendra Kulshreshtha.
They have to change like Peshwas pandits of Pune did and became mighty warriors.. Baji Rao , Raghunath Rao, Chimaji Rao etc...who routed Moghuls and Portuguese.
The most sensible person on the panel is Ashish Dhar. He is trying to drill some logical ideas in the people. He tries to understand the root cause of the problem (demography change being one) and does not shy away from being politically incorrect as hypocritical elites of India do. I am pretty sure, 1000% sure that what happened with Kashmiri Hindus (actually there have been 7 exodus of kashmiri hindus from Kashmir historically) will happen in any region of India where the population of indian religions goes down. Take for example Kerala, Hindus in 0-4years age group are already minority. I predict in 20 when followers of islam will be majority and in 20s, expect several other exodus of Keralite Hindus. Same story applies to Assam, West Bengal. Kairana, Mewat. One has to be really blind and dumb to ignore such blunt trends. And it has happened in other countries as well. Thats how countries are and were Islamized.
We should not waste time listening to these noise creating SICKULAR donkeys. These Kashmiri so-called Pandits are Idiots at Best. Better INVEST time to Listen to Pushpendra Kulshreshtha.
Guru teg bahadur g gave his life up for the Kashmiri pundits who were being executed by Aurangzeb, he got beheaded in Delhi, for the sake of Hinduism, also why he’s called “hind di chadr”
@@nikkeipvck8529 Ashish dhar aint a sikh history expert . Its 2024 and guy still into birth based varna , swami karpatri fandom . His ilk (trads ) literal get buzz off treatment from all political parties .
Dear, whenever there is injustice it is the duty of every one to spesk other wise those who remain silent will have to face. This is what is happening now.
Don't have to be as experienced and as well - informed as the panelists : Merely based on common sense and a basic understanding of Islamic history and doctrine , there would be more continuity than change until and unless the religious demography alters to a more benign ratio , say 75/25. And POK is recaptured .
All the panelists did justice to the chair...except Tavleen Singh...well.....all she did tried hard to put her point.....full marks to aarti of cutting her short EVERYTIME 😆
"Nabzas manz chhuy Paekistan" was a Kashmiri song sung by only Muslims since 1947. So it is clearly a religious issue n not political. Had it been political the minorities of Kashmir would also be asking for independence which they don't want.
But when asked from Muslims of Kashmir, they say that Pandits were in favour of azaadi until 1990 that changed their stand. Then I tell them that there could be an element of false in your argument because kashmir was never ever asking for a political azaadi. It was asking political azaadi to establish Islamic theocracy. So, there is no chance that Pandits would support call for Islamic State. What do you have to say?
Some filmmaker should make a film on CRIMES on Hindu Punjabis (Brutal Killing,Rape on Girls and Women,Looting,Arson, Exodus) in Punjab by Militants/Terrorist (Khalistan Commando Force, Khalistan Liberation Front , Babbar Khalsa , Khalistan Tiger Force , Tiger Manjeetsingh Group etc) during Khalistan Movement wef.1984 to 1995.National Capital Delhi was not spared.Many AK-47 attacks on Marriage ceremonies. Many Hindu Punjabi women after rape were hanged to Kikkar ka Darakht (Babul Tree) by their Chunni by Militants.Our BSF ambulance was ambushed by Militants at Village - Udho Pathana between Batala and Dera Baba Nanak on 11th June 1992 in which Sepoy Mikel Topo was martyred and Sepoy Munna was badly injured. In one incidence my close friend Assistant Commandant Ajaynand Tiwari and 5 BSF Soldiers including Instructor Havaldar Deshraj were martyred by deliberate collision by heavy loaded Truck on GT Road by Militants.There were many instances.In out MT of unit many damaged vehicles due to mine blast were kept.In one incident Deputy Commandant (Retd.Commandant) Bhati Sir and Deputy Commandant Suhag Sir badly injured and became Medical Category. There were many many cases of attacks/ambush on Army,BSF,CRPF in Punjab States along with many many CRIMES on Hindu Punjabis. The Khalistan Militants were strategically more organized,fearsome,knowing military tactics of soldier than Kashmiri Militants. The Mumbai Film industry is dominated by Punjabi Hindus.I request the filmmakers of Mumbai to make a Movie on Crimes on Hindus in Punjab State during Khalistan movement so that sufferers will get Justice after 27 years.
Revocation of article 370 and article 35 A was a very strong decision taken by Indian BJP led Government, first it corrected the decision taken by previous Indian Govt 2) as it is a boarder states of india, it is better decision governance control by Central Government of India, 3) a physiologically the Kashmiris changing their mind with Pakistan, with India, or Kashmir as a country.
Why Kashmiri Pandits aren't responsible for problem? 1. Who let Shah Mir to come? 2. Why did Pandits let Muslim population get growing? Why no voice last 500 years? Just because Hindu ruler? 3. At least learn a lesson, Demography change shouldn't be allowed in any part of India. Don't have yourself satisfied merely with a Hindu ruler...
Wherever Muslim population increases & appeasement done such problem arises. First Maharaja did appeasement , then Nehru worst type of appeasement politics and now they want separate Islamic state. What's logic? Never allow Muslim population increased in one area. Non sense stupid Maulavis & Politicians can use Muslims as their tool.
@@golupowering Right. But that tells us, we need more youth with knowledge like Sushil Pandit . #SushilPandit is human cannot be everywhere everytime. More youth energy should study and get complete command on history knowledge
@@golupowering Sahi kahe. There is an element of Islamic fanaticism which led to exodus of Hindus but don't you think that as khalid said that the kashmiri muslims will stand-up with crpf and then with gilani and then with mehbooba which tells that they search for hope to lead a peaceful life in leaders and also in state machinery.
How crazy that the Pakistani Terror establishment is and terror proxies were being eulogized and justified by RAW chief. Same guy was sleeping when Genocide of Kashmiri Hindus was taking place. And he has the guts to write a book on all this with a pro terrorist slant.
It's a civilisational thing as Ashish points out... "A succession of Hindu dynasties ruled Kashmir until 1346, when it came under Muslim rule. The Muslim period lasted nearly five centuries, ending when Kashmir was annexed to the Sikh kingdom of the Punjab in 1819 and then to the Dogra kingdom of Jammu in 1846".
Whatever the condition at present, there cold be just two outcomes. Number one : Things will cool down, and Kashmiries will accept to be with India. Number TWO - other countries may intervene and compel Govt of India to declare Independence to Kashmir. If it happens on say 1st of January 2020, on 2nd Jan, Pakisthan will take over and on say 6th day China will occupy.
It is idiotic to believe that the Kashmiri problem is not the last remnant of the 2 nation theory. The bottom line is it is. A few years ago, I was at a store run by a Kashmiri in Bengaluru. This store is by the Rex Theater. Here is a man running his business in Bengaluru and supported separate Kashmiri state. He is free to express his opinion and as well as harbor such an opinion. The issue I have is, he does not want to credit his Indian Citizenship. He can make a livelihood by selling Kashmiri products in Bengualuru, is because he is an Indian Citizen which he conveniently chooses to ignore.
You hit the nail on the head! Ahhh the sense of entitlement of KMs - they should be able to go anywhere in India, buy land and properties and live like kings, but Kashmir cannot have diversity, no one other than Kashmiris should be able to own properties in Kashmir! Also, let's make life hell for KPs in Kashmir - so there you go, we have our own Islamic state!
DEAR KHALID SHAH, PLEASE READ YOUR HISTORY. GURU TEGH BAHADUR MARTYRED HIMSELF FOR KASHMIRI PUNDITS. PLEASE DONT SPREAD YOUR IGNORANCE ABOUT SIKH HISTORY.
Honestly, I expected better from such a good panel. Aditya and Ashish were great but the ideas put out by all of them were too random and abrupt that it was difficult for me to comprehend.
The organizers should have had Sushil Pandit on this panel. He would have singly taken on the likes of Tavleen Singh and Khalid. All the other Kashmiri journalists, despite being four in number, were not able to counter the narrative of denial from the valley.
यार शुरुआत ही खाली 1989 se huyi h तो क्या उम्मीद करते हो , what about 1340 शाहमीर से चालु है खालिद शाह कशमीर के ज्यादातर मुस्लिम ऐसे नही है हा तो पाकिस्तान ऐसे नही ही है सिरीया मे भी ऐसे नही है इराक मे भी ऐसे नही है यमन मे भी ऐसी नही है ये क्या चल रहा है
20:28 …Ashish dhar denies that guru teg bhadur ji did ‘nt sacrifies himeself for khasmiri pandits ..WTF bro …really you are saying this …i could not imagine what type of person you are….and he is saying, he could not find any record of that .If that time guru teg bhadur did not scarifice himeself there will be not any record of your existence …is this not hurting the sentiments of other religion , If that remarks was given to any Hindu god they will claim “ they are getting targeting” but now what …..objectifying the other religion …who gave you that right to speak and mis-show our history ….
@@gauravtributes5023 shabash bhai ‘'ulta chor kotwal ko daante' start to Ashish ne kiya bhai ..usko hi proof chaiye tha .??? Toh ab mirch kyon lagg rhi hai
The pundit genocide is identical to direct action day in bengal . If you make the mistake of having a muslim cm no matter who is in centre hindus will be ethnically cleansed from the state. There was no border dispute in bengal in 1946 yet hindus were annihilated and stopped only when Bihar hindus retaliated against muslims in their state. Islamist can't live or let ppl live in peace.
Khalid says, 'people of Kashmir should have been consulted before abrogation.' My counter question is, 'were people of kashmir taken into confidence - ikashmiri pandits - when 35A was surreptitiously added to 370. By people does he mean Yasin Malik,Muftis, Abdullajs, Gilani. Why should Indian govt ask anyone , Kashmir is a part of India and people of India have given them the authority to do the right thing
I was Looking for that part which was uploaded by Aditya Kaul on Twitter from this conversation. It was horror of KPs faced narrated by Rahul Pandita . Sadly, It was missing here. :(
Superb discussion by the panel of journalists which debated the issue threadbare. The best on the topic I saw so far. Great job by Republic. It has not come out clearly but losing the status statehood is a big snub to people of Kashmir Valley (interestingly, Jammu and Ladakh dont feel so). Recycling of politicians is undesirable, but most probably going to happen. Empowering the silent majority to speak out and to take part in the political process is very important.
Tavleen lived in "La La land" . Lutyens never wanted to know the reality. They live in their Lutyens bubble. She is saying Kashmir was peaceful before 83 or 89 .
The guy in green hoodie said Guru Tegh bahadur sahib saheedi story is fake ,,and ask where it’s written he need to read more sikh history but if he doesn’t believe the history written by Sikhs than he can read history written by Mughals on that time
There is always a false narrative of Sikhs protecting all hindus for which we should be forever grateful...as an Assamese with kashmiri pandit roots, we do not owe any gratitude
@@abhishektyagi4172 toon uss time tum logh Konse engineer lagge the tabh Toon joote khaa Rahe the 1000 Saal se mughlo se. Sukar Karo ehsan farmosho … sikh kaum ka
KASHMIR FILES MADE ME CRY , AFER HEARING ASHISH DHAR , I FIRMLY BELIEVE, " KASHMIR FILES" IS A LEGEND A FABLE. NO MORE TEARS , THANK YOU ASHISH KASHMIRI INTELECTUAL.
@@Shandilya-q3iteg bahadur was supporting Aurangzeb against Ahoms by his black magic bt failed that's why 'Aurangzeb was enraged by his insult and he gave death sentence to Guru Tegh Bahadur because he felt that Guru Tegh Bahadur did not know any black magic and fooled him.
@@Shandilya-q3iIn this story the Sikhs saved Hindu women from the hands of Abdali. This is also completely fake.all this stories created to humilite Hindus
@@binnikumarsingh6018 Ur favourite green shirt guy is a nobody.Hindus around me call him casteist Trads .Heard his organisation was caught spreading misinformation on Kashi corridor and also he supports luddite ideas like a birth based varna system in 2024 🤣
a beautiful debate totally ruined by poor audio ( largely because of the poor equipment supplied to the panelists ).tableen nailed the problem of pakistan in reference to J&K. they have lived under the fallacy that "kashmir banega pakistan" and that Kashmir is the "shah rag) (jugular vein) of pakistan which has now been severed by india. this is hurting pakistan - wish tableen had gone a little further that kashmir was ceded to india by maharaja hari singh and hence it is integral part of india and pakistan has nothing to do with the issue (which they are making so to pacify their domestic audience). aarti chaired the discussion very efficiently.
It is futile to discuss whether the Kashmir issue is a religious or political one. Islam, after all, is itself more of a political ideology than a religion.
None of the speakers know the working style of Modi-Amit Shah duo. All these people may have to eat their words on how New Delhi will deal with J&K after abrogation of 370. I say this with certainty because I have seen Modi-Shah operating style in Gujarat. Modi-Shah will deal with J&K conclusively with out getting stuck in the academic argument of whether Kashmir is a religious problem or political problem or both.
Just talking about the symptoms (rather route cause ie. Plebiscite as per UN. It's a drastic change from the Ideology of Mahatma Gandhi to the RSS approach of MODI.
Peace is the utmost urgent, discuss no others but how to maintain harmony. Of course India know what to do, because the world knew who likes chaos instead of peace. Let what should be, be what it should be. Urgent is the word.
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Best quote of the entire debate-"stop calling kashmir a political problem it's a religious problem"
shocking ....still hindus will never learn from their mistakes
When you have a leader of the country aligned with the enemy, and a like bureaucracy, things must be judged for a different perspective
We are genetically stupids.
I think we Hindus have learnt from our mistakes. Things will undergo a sea change now
and somehow still thrived for 4000 years😪
Rubiya Saeed wasn’t kidnapped in fact she was hidden by her father.
Where is Sushil Pandit? What is Tavleen doing here?
U must know the person who wrote a piece "modi divider" In America happens to be son from her pakistani husband.
Sushil Pandit is in the Audience seat 5 row.
@@subodhsinha6966 0 p on the 0pp0p00l
Ashish ne ekdum sahi bola, meri family bhi kashmir se hai, sab ko sach pata hai ko kashmiri dogra aur sikh mein kitne ladak hoti thi.
Why tavleen , she's a page 3 intellectual.
No. You are mistaken. Check your sources
@@KrishnadasBharatikb we have checked and I know her intellectual capabilities
Happiest day would be the day when Kashmiri pandits return to their homeland....
True .... ..But sorry , where is that strong 'fire in the belly' in most Kashmiri Pandits. In the past they called upon Sikhs to help. The present Govt has done what it promised. ...About time they produced their own leaders like the Peshwa Pandits of Maharashtra who changed their ways to save their homeland .. This small step will be a big, game changer step for their cause.
D A, And get killed once again ?
@@Iamlatha oh pessimists like u are jus sick... stay home dont go out u might get killed....
D A, Why should I get killed ? I don't live among jihadis & wouldn't ever. lol.
@@Iamlatha hmmm looks like misread ur earlier comment. I agree with ur thoughts though...no one shud live near jihadi elements..
Next target is Asaam, kerala there r already 100 kashmir formed inside india
@@stuarthastie6374 jehadi spotted
mayank malgudi
Pogromwala
And WB.
What about kerala??
Khalid says National conference members had to give ads to disassociate themselves from the party to save their lives. If that was the magnitude of the threat why have they been saying that Pundits were instigated by Jagmohan (the then Governer of J&K) to leave the valley. They are contradicting themselves.
They find it convenient to escape the blame of the exodus of Pundits onto Jagmohan. It's a plot crafted by the seperatists and Pro Pak elements
Nice name.
Khalid doesn't endorse that view.
Visit sees ganj gurudwara in chandni chowk, new delhi you will get the history, what sikhs done for kashmiri pandit, guru teg bahadar hind ki chadar
Sir they know it, ehna manna ni.. apna time na kharab karo, bus ehna di asliyat yaad rakho
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A panel on Kashmir without Sushil Pandit and with fools like Tavleen Singh
Sushil pandit is a true intellectual, eloquent and realist... Ye sab bacche hai uske saamne... They don't deserve to sit with him..
He is the one who sees it - stares at it - in historical perspective. These others from Kashmir may be good journalists. But the problem did not begin in 1947 , when we , not the pandits as such, were fully cleansed on the other side , or in 1989 , when we were already totally vulnerable in the valley . They all say "the Indian State " , and certainly , the State handled it badly , not just in J&K , but in Assam , Bengal , the NE , Kerala , all over . But the way certain ideologies have been licensed has been the greatest problem .
What is problem to face truth you crook... Obscenced with women you crooks kill people in the name of religion... You will rot in hell
Look in audience at 53:36
Got to hear Ashish Dhar first time n am happy to see one more good spokesperson from the community. Keep it up Ashish. God bless you all.
Anjna Kaul tumhara hi bandhu h aur bhi to suni hogi aap
I love you
@sakata gintoki Absolutely. The true goat. Greatest Of All (of)Them
@@hyderali1208 tere rasool ki ammi ka bhosda
Aditya Raj Singh, Ashish Dhar and Rahul Pandita are Kashmiri Pundits who haven't forgotten their community's persecution and are patriotic
Why Shri Sushil Pandit not on panel?
They fear of truth
1. Khalid repeatedly said " I know, I have written about it" and yet spoke as if he didn't know any facts.
2. Kudos to whoever it was who corrected Rahul Pandita when he said Karnad's xxx movie was based on a Sanskrit play.
3. The "moderator" hasn't the first clue about moderating. Also introducing Tavleen as the "oldest" member was in extremely poor taste.
4. Kanchan interrupting the panelists was very unprofessional.
5. Tavleen is a misfit for this discussion, she had zero facts.
6. Ashish, Aditya, and Rahul were really good, wish they were allowed to finish their thoughts, the moderator kept interrupting them.
7. The panel was missing Shri Sushil Pandit, Lalit Ambardar, and other stalwarts.
2. From wiki : "The film is based on the 2nd-century BC Sanskrit play, Mrichakatika (The Little Clay Cart) by Śūdraka."
but tavleen knows pakistani point, as she was sleeping with pakistani minister
Tavleen raised the right question
Not a single person has a total grasp of the kashmir issue. They have opinions, and nothing to offer. Stop calling journalist in the name of experts.
Sir four of them are kashmiri. And Tavleen is also one of experienced journalist of india. Come on atleast get information about them first and then give your opinion on it. They all have either suffered or seen all horandous things happened in kashmir.
Tavleen is the most hollow and conceited among these journalists . But none of them has given any fresh insight . It is like reading the old newspapers .
@@thrinethran2885 it seems like you have all info about kashmir.
I say they are telling all history crap. Plz enlighten me on kashmir. What we should do to this part india.
@@MaddyJohnson33 Friend , you may be fresh , but I have read all these for over thirty years . And much more than what these people debate , which has been actually all over the media .So you now tell ME what you have learned .
@@suryakaundinyaoruganti7524 Didn't say they don't know their history , but they said nothing new . Here ! Get it ?
Silent Majority is like Himaliyan Yeti....Everyone talks about it but no proof. Even Pak has that silent Majority. Hadh hai yaar!
Shravan Kumar Chalasani I don’t know if it’s a majority but a large number are intimidated into silence by terrorist driven fear.
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If the sacrifice of guru teg bahadur ji for Kashmiri pandits is a legend then every historical literature which India swears by is also a legend. Mr. Dhar really needs some Sikh history lessons.
No guru tegh bahadur so called sacrifice for kashmiri pandits was just a legend ,he was executed because he declared himself as Sacha Padshah which was against aurangazeb.
@@leharyenduri6540 Sacha patshah? Seriously! Is that the best you got? I would recommend you to read an article in “The times of India” by Anish koul(a kashmiri pandit) who has beautifully elaborated about guru ji’s sacrifice with some details for your small brain to comprehend.
@@leharyenduri6540 also there is a Reddit post with the links to the Persian and other Indian sources where guru jis sacrifice for kashmiri pandit is clearly mentioned. Let me know I can share link with you, I don’t think you would know anything about google search.
@@leharyenduri6540None of Ram swaroop,Harjot oberoi McLeod or any scholar who has done extensive research on Sikh history could point out factual accuracy of 9th guru levying taxes on hindus and collaborating with a muslim devrish Hafiz Adam ( the narrative which Dhar and his Upword gang relies on ) Well if this turns out to be true then the same source also mentions Yar Khan an eunuch having amicable relations with 6th guru . Then the whole narrative of Sikh gurus were Hindus falls flat
Think about it 😅
So better stick to assi hinduan nu bachaya si narrative it keeps both communities together lol
You Sikhs already considered Hindu history a legend not literature, so Ashish is doing the same.
There was never any "Kashmiriat" only Kashmir Riot. They have been spoiled by the Nehru dynasty and pampered by his successors. A state that has been crying about why it needs special privileges as it was a minority "Muslim" state in a secular India, it does not even acknowledge that it has minorities and gives no special privileges to them..
Hypocrites of the first Order!!!
The great thing about such platforms and events being available to the general public nowadays, listening to different perspectives. I was agitated how India exploited Kashmir as has been fed to us from all the intellectual platforms, but now I have a totally different opinion. I as a cognitive being can make my own judgement about issues now, after comprehending both perspectives.
Huge respect for tavleen Singh …. Mam
Kashmir files was a legend broo😂😂
@@KarandeepSingh-qt6sbcry more lassi
@@HinduPhoenix finally you Lindus stop drinking moot 😊 I m happy for u choosing lassi …… moot pee pee k salo gobar se cancer thk rahe they now u are in real track
@@HinduPhoenix we all know it's Ashish and his trad ilk who cry the most . Majority hindus discard his birth based varna theory.Modi ji didn't invite a single person from Govardhan Mutt in ram mandir inauguration.
@@HinduPhoenix
We don't cry but just show the character of ehsaas faramosh qaum.
Your character is BOLDLY written by UNHRC also.
If kashmiri pandit join RSS that times. No Muslims dare to remove from kashmir.
It's very true that the problem of the Kashmir valley is a "religious" one that has been there since islam set foot into Kashmir 700 years ago
@Manish Erande maybe all muslims are not religious bigots. Then what are they doing to condemn the "few bigots " ??
Why should such issues not be brought up ??? People cannot be told to shut up when uncomfortable questions and issues are raised.
@Manish Erande you are an ignorant person 🤣🤣 people like you will ruin our country
Pandits have forgotten guru tegh bahadur, there saviour, then god bless them
When the power comes from the barrels of a gun, according to Khalid, now the violent minority will experience the same.
Aditya Raj is the only one with a spine in this discussion.
Firstly I am a fan of Aarti. Secondly I learned ZERO from this discussion
What a waste of a discussion. I am a fan of Aarti and find her views are very close to the reality in my opinion.
Tavleen was a useless panelist. The entire discussion and views put forward by other panelists were a waste of time.
Seriously, some think that religion has nothing to do with kashmir problem.
Well sure, most islamic majority countries are what? A big example in my opinion.
Entire history of muslim rule in India is an example of religious extremism.
Exactly We should not waste time listening to these noise creating SICKULAR donkeys. These Kashmiri so-called Pandits are Idiots at Best. Just Listen to Pushpendra Kulshreshtha.
Sorry ...but Arti is no good too
@@arcpd123 Agreed. I guess OP is simping on her lol.
Everyone was useless including your comment lol
Yeah Mughals were torturous PPL but when guru Tegh bahadur stood up for Kashmir y'all just denied his kindness ?
kashmiri pandits did not had weapons to defend them selves in massacer
They have to change like Peshwas pandits of Pune did and became mighty warriors.. Baji Rao , Raghunath Rao, Chimaji Rao etc...who routed Moghuls and Portuguese.
kya poocha aur jawab kya mil raha hai
The most sensible person on the panel is Ashish Dhar. He is trying to drill some logical ideas in the people. He tries to understand the root cause of the problem (demography change being one) and does not shy away from being politically incorrect as hypocritical elites of India do. I am pretty sure, 1000% sure that what happened with Kashmiri Hindus (actually there have been 7 exodus of kashmiri hindus from Kashmir historically) will happen in any region of India where the population of indian religions goes down. Take for example Kerala, Hindus in 0-4years age group are already minority. I predict in 20 when followers of islam will be majority and in 20s, expect several other exodus of Keralite Hindus. Same story applies to Assam, West Bengal. Kairana, Mewat. One has to be really blind and dumb to ignore such blunt trends. And it has happened in other countries as well. Thats how countries are and were Islamized.
Was eagerly waiting for this debate on RUclips
हिन्दू ऐसे ही तर्क करते रहेंगे, और उनके पैरों जमीन खिसकती रहेगी। समस्या की जड़ इस्लाम है , पता नहीं हिन्दू इस बात को कब समझेगें
We should not waste time listening to these noise creating SICKULAR donkeys. These Kashmiri so-called Pandits are Idiots at Best. Better INVEST time to Listen to Pushpendra Kulshreshtha.
This is a true intellectual discussion. Tavleen Singh ji you’re great.
Guru teg bahadur g gave his life up for the Kashmiri pundits who were being executed by Aurangzeb, he got beheaded in Delhi, for the sake of Hinduism, also why he’s called “hind di chadr”
thats a myth
@@nikkeipvck8529 Ashish dhar aint a sikh history expert . Its 2024 and guy still into birth based varna , swami karpatri fandom . His ilk (trads ) literal get buzz off treatment from all political parties .
@@Pankajverma30_ My dude. Even True Indology proved that this is common prostelyzation myth created by Sikhs
@@Reet_241 and you need to throw your history books that arent updated
@@Reet_241 Gurbilad & Bansavalinama itself is not peer reviewed
If Tavleen is representing KP then l feel sorry for them....😢😢
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lol
Very good discussion.... Fiesty at times but CIVILIZED 👍
Need many more such 🙏
I wish these were the kind of sensible, mature and healthier discussions and debates we had on tv for a change
Dear, whenever there is injustice it is the duty of every one to spesk other wise those who remain silent will have to face. This is what is happening now.
Don't have to be as experienced and as well - informed as the panelists : Merely based on common sense and a basic understanding of Islamic history and doctrine , there would be more continuity than change until and unless the religious demography alters to a more benign ratio , say 75/25. And POK is recaptured .
All the panelists did justice to the chair...except Tavleen Singh...well.....all she did tried hard to put her point.....full marks to aarti of cutting her short EVERYTIME 😆
"Nabzas manz chhuy Paekistan" was a Kashmiri song sung by only Muslims since 1947. So it is clearly a religious issue n not political. Had it been political the minorities of Kashmir would also be asking for independence which they don't want.
But when asked from Muslims of Kashmir, they say that Pandits were in favour of azaadi until 1990 that changed their stand. Then I tell them that there could be an element of false in your argument because kashmir was never ever asking for a political azaadi. It was asking political azaadi to establish Islamic theocracy. So, there is no chance that Pandits would support call for Islamic State. What do you have to say?
U had so much hope on your beloved Modi. He betrayed you. Poor you
20:26 eh hari t-shirt aala mootpeena lagda moot pi ke interview te ponchya si😂😂😂😂
Jo sachhai nu ignore krda pya va
Evidence??? Mootpina Tera pyo bhancho
@@HinduPhoenix can understand that dhar guy's frustration , its 2024 and no sane indian is buying his birth based varna casteist theory .
Some filmmaker should make a film on CRIMES on Hindu Punjabis (Brutal Killing,Rape on Girls and Women,Looting,Arson, Exodus) in Punjab by Militants/Terrorist (Khalistan Commando Force, Khalistan Liberation Front , Babbar Khalsa , Khalistan Tiger Force , Tiger Manjeetsingh Group etc) during Khalistan Movement wef.1984 to 1995.National Capital Delhi was not spared.Many AK-47 attacks on Marriage ceremonies.
Many Hindu Punjabi women after rape were hanged to Kikkar ka Darakht (Babul Tree) by their Chunni by Militants.Our BSF ambulance was ambushed by Militants at Village - Udho Pathana between Batala and Dera Baba Nanak on 11th June 1992 in which Sepoy Mikel Topo was martyred and Sepoy Munna was badly injured.
In one incidence my close friend Assistant Commandant Ajaynand Tiwari and 5 BSF Soldiers including Instructor Havaldar Deshraj were martyred by deliberate collision by heavy loaded Truck on GT Road by Militants.There were many instances.In out MT of unit many damaged vehicles due to mine blast were kept.In one incident Deputy Commandant (Retd.Commandant) Bhati Sir and Deputy Commandant Suhag Sir badly injured and became Medical Category.
There were many many cases of attacks/ambush on Army,BSF,CRPF in Punjab States along with many many CRIMES on Hindu Punjabis.
The Khalistan Militants were strategically more organized,fearsome,knowing military tactics of soldier than Kashmiri Militants.
The Mumbai Film industry is dominated by Punjabi Hindus.I request the filmmakers of Mumbai to make a Movie on Crimes on Hindus in Punjab State during Khalistan movement so that sufferers will get Justice after 27 years.
Revocation of article 370 and article 35 A was a very strong decision taken by Indian BJP led Government, first it corrected the decision taken by previous Indian Govt 2) as it is a boarder states of india, it is better decision governance control by Central Government of India, 3) a physiologically the Kashmiris changing their mind with Pakistan, with India, or Kashmir as a country.
After 3years ,Tavleen Singh has been proved wrong about her apprehnsion about Indian stand .
Why is 3rd Page reporter TAVLIN on Kashmir panel?
Tavleen Singh is so lovely and is a master in PLEASURE SHARING even at this age on every platform.
I sense sarcasm in your statement ...
Why Kashmiri Pandits aren't responsible for problem?
1. Who let Shah Mir to come?
2. Why did Pandits let Muslim population get growing? Why no voice last 500 years? Just because Hindu ruler?
3. At least learn a lesson, Demography change shouldn't be allowed in any part of India. Don't have yourself satisfied merely with a Hindu ruler...
Manish Dave right
Wherever Muslim population increases & appeasement done such problem arises.
First Maharaja did appeasement , then Nehru worst type of appeasement politics and now they want separate Islamic state.
What's logic?
Never allow Muslim population increased in one area.
Non sense stupid Maulavis & Politicians can use Muslims as their tool.
Manish Dave ये पेनल discussion मे सुशील होते तो तवलीन और खालिद शाह की बोलतू बंद करदेते
@@golupowering
Right. But that tells us, we need more youth with knowledge like Sushil Pandit .
#SushilPandit is human cannot be everywhere everytime. More youth energy should study and get complete command on history knowledge
@@golupowering Sahi kahe. There is an element of Islamic fanaticism which led to exodus of Hindus but don't you think that as khalid said that the kashmiri muslims will stand-up with crpf and then with gilani and then with mehbooba which tells that they search for hope to lead a peaceful life in leaders and also in state machinery.
How crazy that the Pakistani Terror establishment is and terror proxies were being eulogized and justified by RAW chief. Same guy was sleeping when Genocide of Kashmiri Hindus was taking place. And he has the guts to write a book on all this with a pro terrorist slant.
It's a civilisational thing as Ashish points out... "A succession of Hindu dynasties ruled Kashmir until 1346, when it came under Muslim rule. The Muslim period lasted nearly five centuries, ending when Kashmir was annexed to the Sikh kingdom of the Punjab in 1819 and then to the Dogra kingdom of Jammu in 1846".
RAHUL PANDITA is speaking the truth. Kashmiri Pundits got NO support from the majority community. They were extremely brutal
Loved Khalid's response. Yes it is a religious problem but it is also economic, political and social issue also!
These guys don't talk at all about the atrocities committed by the Indian army.
Panel was good but poorly moderated by Aarti she didn't let any of the panelists to complete th & was interjecting in between
this shows how grateful kashmiri bahman are towards guru tegh bahadhur ji sacrifice.
One thing i noticed is people doscussing as though kashmir is
Seperate entity , India separate how come?
Whatever the condition at present, there cold be just two outcomes. Number one : Things will cool down, and Kashmiries will accept to be with India.
Number TWO - other countries may intervene and compel Govt of India to declare Independence to Kashmir. If it happens on say 1st of January 2020, on 2nd Jan, Pakisthan will take over and on say 6th day China will occupy.
If we do not learn from history, history repeats itself. We need to keep check on Kerala and the likes.
It is idiotic to believe that the Kashmiri problem is not the last remnant of the 2 nation theory. The bottom line is it is. A few years ago, I was at a store run by a Kashmiri in Bengaluru. This store is by the Rex Theater. Here is a man running his business in Bengaluru and supported separate Kashmiri state. He is free to express his opinion and as well as harbor such an opinion. The issue I have is, he does not want to credit his Indian Citizenship. He can make a livelihood by selling Kashmiri products in Bengualuru, is because he is an Indian Citizen which he conveniently chooses to ignore.
You hit the nail on the head! Ahhh the sense of entitlement of KMs - they should be able to go anywhere in India, buy land and properties and live like kings, but Kashmir cannot have diversity, no one other than Kashmiris should be able to own properties in Kashmir! Also, let's make life hell for KPs in Kashmir - so there you go, we have our own Islamic state!
DEAR KHALID SHAH, PLEASE READ YOUR HISTORY. GURU TEGH BAHADUR MARTYRED HIMSELF FOR KASHMIRI PUNDITS. PLEASE DONT SPREAD YOUR IGNORANCE ABOUT SIKH HISTORY.
@46:15- Abhijit iyer mitra 😎, he had been patiently listening to all this while 😝😝
Honestly, I expected better from such a good panel. Aditya and Ashish were great but the ideas put out by all of them were too random and abrupt that it was difficult for me to comprehend.
The organizers should have had Sushil Pandit on this panel. He would have singly taken on the likes of Tavleen Singh and Khalid. All the other Kashmiri journalists, despite being four in number, were not able to counter the narrative of denial from the valley.
One raises his voice in the course of discussion only when he is wrong.
Where is Sushil Pandit??
यार शुरुआत ही खाली 1989 se huyi h
तो क्या उम्मीद करते हो , what about 1340 शाहमीर से चालु है
खालिद शाह कशमीर के ज्यादातर
मुस्लिम ऐसे नही है
हा तो
पाकिस्तान ऐसे नही ही है
सिरीया मे भी ऐसे नही है
इराक मे भी ऐसे नही है
यमन मे भी ऐसी नही है
ये क्या चल रहा है
तमाशा चल रहा है
Kashmir should be the top priority for india and indians. No Compromise. These Islamist are absolutely not trust worthy.
Ashish Dhar 🎉
20:28 …Ashish dhar denies that guru teg bhadur ji did ‘nt sacrifies himeself for khasmiri pandits ..WTF bro …really you are saying this …i could not imagine what type of person you are….and he is saying, he could not find any record of that .If that time guru teg bhadur did not scarifice himeself there will be not any record of your existence …is this not hurting the sentiments of other religion , If that remarks was given to any Hindu god they will claim “ they are getting targeting” but now what …..objectifying the other religion …who gave you that right to speak and mis-show our history ….
Bhai fact dikha na
@@amyshiva4123 ok bhai ...tu ramayan aur mahabharat ka fact bta de 😎
Tum log Hindu ki history nahi maante toh Ashish kyu maanega tumhari history mein Bina proof ke ?
@@gauravtributes5023 shabash bhai ‘'ulta chor kotwal ko daante' start to Ashish ne kiya bhai ..usko hi proof chaiye tha .??? Toh ab mirch kyon lagg rhi hai
@@gauravtributes5023 Historical proof really …soch lo ..main bola toh vivaad ho jaye ga
Sushil Pandit is heard a lot, giving others a chance is a welcome sporty move
The pundit genocide is identical to direct action day in bengal .
If you make the mistake of having a muslim cm no matter who is in centre hindus will be ethnically cleansed from the state.
There was no border dispute in bengal in 1946 yet hindus were annihilated and stopped only when Bihar hindus retaliated against muslims in their state.
Islamist can't live or let ppl live in peace.
Interesting insights given by panelists, lively session 👍
A good healthier Debate after long time where no politicians are in part...
Why is Rahul Pandita there? I guess this is before Shikara
Khalid says, 'people of Kashmir should have been consulted before abrogation.'
My counter question is, 'were people of kashmir taken into confidence - ikashmiri pandits - when 35A was surreptitiously added to 370.
By people does he mean Yasin Malik,Muftis, Abdullajs, Gilani.
Why should Indian govt ask anyone , Kashmir is a part of India and people of India have given them the authority to do the right thing
I was Looking for that part which was uploaded by Aditya Kaul on Twitter from this conversation. It was horror of KPs faced narrated by Rahul Pandita . Sadly, It was missing here. :(
Can I get a contact details that guy in green shirt. Who is making Gur Teg Bahadur real history converting into fake.
Superb discussion by the panel of journalists which debated the issue threadbare. The best on the topic I saw so far. Great job by Republic.
It has not come out clearly but losing the status statehood is a big snub to people of Kashmir Valley (interestingly, Jammu and Ladakh dont feel so).
Recycling of politicians is undesirable, but most probably going to happen. Empowering the silent majority to speak out and to take part in the political process is very important.
Is democracy and peoples confidence larger than the final result? Let Judiciary decide whether there was any infringement of democracy or not?
Please someone tell me what is the contribution of kashmiri in Indian gdp?
Tavleen lived in "La La land" . Lutyens never wanted to know the reality. They live in their Lutyens bubble. She is saying Kashmir was peaceful before 83 or 89 .
The guy in green hoodie said Guru Tegh bahadur sahib saheedi story is fake ,,and ask where it’s written he need to read more sikh history but if he doesn’t believe the history written by Sikhs than he can read history written by Mughals on that time
@2 20:37
Irony guy of mythology religion raising for question for proof of most recent religion.
Clearly the seating arrangement showed who was on which side of the spectrum on the Kashmir Issue
Ashish Dhar roasting tavleen, legit
These discussion shed light on issues media does not spend enough time to explain
This is for those to blame abrogation of 370. These people have reason too.
There is always a false narrative of Sikhs protecting all hindus for which we should be forever grateful...as an Assamese with kashmiri pandit roots, we do not owe any gratitude
Ehsanfarmosh dalle lok
@@GurwinderSingh-if6xzlmao you people born and saved hindu who were there for 1000s of years
@@abhishektyagi4172 toon uss time tum logh Konse engineer lagge the tabh Toon joote khaa Rahe the 1000 Saal se mughlo se. Sukar Karo ehsan farmosho … sikh kaum ka
@@GurwinderSingh-if6xz😂😂
Namak haram jo ho
KASHMIR FILES MADE ME CRY , AFER HEARING ASHISH DHAR , I FIRMLY BELIEVE, " KASHMIR FILES" IS A LEGEND A FABLE. NO MORE TEARS , THANK YOU ASHISH KASHMIRI INTELECTUAL.
Can you quote evidence of teg Bahadur saving kPs, then I will quote evidence of Kps killings in 1990s
@@Shandilya-q3iteg bahadur was supporting Aurangzeb against Ahoms by his black magic bt failed that's why 'Aurangzeb was enraged by his insult and he gave death sentence to Guru Tegh Bahadur because he felt that Guru Tegh Bahadur did not know any black magic and fooled him.
@@Shandilya-q3iIn this story the Sikhs saved Hindu women from the hands of Abdali. This is also completely fake.all this stories created to humilite Hindus
Facts don't care about feelings...no evidence no history.
@@binnikumarsingh6018 Ur favourite green shirt guy is a nobody.Hindus around me call him casteist Trads .Heard his organisation was caught spreading misinformation on Kashi corridor and also he supports luddite ideas like a birth based varna system in 2024 🤣
a beautiful debate totally ruined by poor audio ( largely because of the poor equipment supplied to the panelists ).tableen nailed the problem of pakistan in reference to J&K. they have lived under the fallacy that "kashmir banega pakistan" and that Kashmir is the "shah rag) (jugular vein) of pakistan which has now been severed by india. this is hurting pakistan - wish tableen had gone a little further that kashmir was ceded to india by maharaja hari singh and hence it is integral part of india and pakistan has nothing to do with the issue (which they are making so to pacify their domestic audience). aarti chaired the discussion very efficiently.
Tavleen.. stop beating ur own trumpet... stick with the topic...
She has no direction...she just have to Show her presence!
Just give all power to only 7% of jummu and kashmir who use to throw stone on Army, then democracy will exists.
The Kashmir issue has been under discussion right from adding 370. It is not the latest phenomenon.
It is futile to discuss whether the Kashmir issue is a religious or political one. Islam, after all, is itself more of a political ideology than a religion.
None of the speakers know the working style of Modi-Amit Shah duo. All these people may have to eat their words on how New Delhi will deal with J&K after abrogation of 370. I say this with certainty because I have seen Modi-Shah operating style in Gujarat. Modi-Shah will deal with J&K conclusively with out getting stuck in the academic argument of whether Kashmir is a religious problem or political problem or both.
Agraj Anuj
You are free to doubt but पिक्चर अभी बाक़ी है दोस्त .
Just talking about the symptoms (rather route cause ie. Plebiscite as per UN. It's a drastic change from the Ideology of Mahatma Gandhi to the RSS approach of MODI.
Who this boy in green ?
Tti
Not complex one sided stupid debate. Till the end not one word of FairPlay and sense. Dirty fellas.
Seems Tavleen is also Madrasa educated female. Her claim that Punjab was political problem than how can it vanished by neutralizing terrorism?
Peace is the utmost urgent, discuss no others but how to maintain harmony. Of course India know what to do, because the world knew who likes chaos instead of peace. Let what should be, be what it should be. Urgent is the word.
Its so unfair.. so unfair.. no words.. high time demography of kashmir needs to be changed... kashmiri pandits needs to be justified...
Someone's terrorist is the freedom fighter in someone's story.
That's the story bro need to fixed the story ..