That is 1 way to use it, I agree it’s close to how it was intended to be used however, there are many different ways to use it that are neither wrong or condescendingly stupid, there is a place for many of it’s uses, this is how you like to do it and are convinced you’re correct… a little more context here is appropriate - for example, from the side like Todd, less on the hand than your example but exponentially more on the elbow. From a diagonal with a straight wrist start, varying diameters and done at speed with body english lends itself toward speed work or coordination - closer to how someone would move in a match I.e specificity. Different techniques/methods provide different stimulus and need to be moderated within a regimen. Many ways to skin a cat mate, many different methods have got people to the top. This is your opinion, it’s not wrong - its just yours. Cheers
Todd can simulate that exact pressure on his elbow with a rolling thunder handle also, no? Isn't that what's Rob trying to say here in the first place? When you change the angle from parallel to perpendicular, the wrist wrench loses its primary porpuse; hitting the fingers.
@@HyakuJuu01300 if you’ve done it yourself, you’ll see the error in your statement - negates the very reason he uses the wrist wrench. All I’m saying is - there are many ways to use the wrist wrench and trying to dictate what’s right or wrong irrespective of context is incorrect in itself.
@@lachlanadair1989 Please teach us more, especially more of the valuable standing curl exercises you perform to impress yourself and others called ego lifts that won't get you any further at the arm wrestling table. head rub.
It's hilarious seeing so many people on here wanting to correct this champion on everything he just talked about. No one here in the comments is on his level at all, pure comedy. Love the wisdom and strictness is what appears to create best results. Thanks for sharing this video I needed this!
Classic appeal to authorty fallacy. Champions can be wrong. Taling about Champions, Hutchings has beaten RVJ many times and uses wrist wrench differently. Does sthat make RVJ's statements invalid now? Many ways to skin a cat mate.
It's a North American thing where so many men in particular have terrible weightlifting habits. They believe full range of motion is important, even when it leads to hyperextension and tearing of the connective tissue - which isn't vascularized to heal like bone or muscle. They concern themselves with the amount of weight they are lifting instead of doing the lift correctly. They still waste time doing the bench press despite being an incredibly injury-inducing and worthless lift. They allow for the "bounce" where something snaps back on the release of a lift or even when stretching, etc. All of this because they want to avoid being called a "pussy" by other dudes.
I personally like the "D-ring" style handles like the Rolling Thunder, very comfortable and easy to load up weight with good form. The wrist wrench is much more humbling, can only lift 2/3 or less with it, but I don't like how it tries to rotate in your hand even if you hold your fingers and wrist tight, It encourages clamping too much imo, which isn't what I'm trying to work. Maybe would be better with chalk to stop from having to clamp as much but my gym doesn't allow chalk
Mine neither. I use liquid chalk and bring a little thing of soap and wet rag to clean any rare messes that happen, and they haven’t said a thing to me.
I never use chalk....i always do what i can, to make any lift as difficult as possible....Rock Hard muscles are WAY stronger than soft fluffy bulked up muscles ....
I def think people are selling themselves short if they don't start with a straight wrist. I got a strap wrench that adds pronation and supination into the mix, which IMO I love even more than the wrist wrench.
@@AndrogenReceptor01 armassassinstrengthshop. Google that. They have all kinds of grip and arm wrestling gear. You can get different sizes and make custom orders as well.
Hi sir. Can the wrist max be used like we do with wrist wrenches like training with different vectors such as the cable perpendicular to the forearm or in a 45° angle?
This isn't really related to the vid, but whatever. You've made two separate claims in past videos about physical achievements that are pretty amazing. (1.) You mentioned closing the CoC # 4 and (2.) running a 4.3 second forty yard dash (when you were younger I assume). If both of these claims are true, I'd say you are the only person in history to have done this. I thought you were full of it until recently seeing a Jedd Johnson video where he backs up your CoC #4 close. Now I assume you are being honest about the 4.3 forty. Not sure if everyone understands how unique of an athlete Rob is.
I can do 315 easy for reps double overhand no straps. I 1000% guarantee you rob can do 225 in his sleep. Unless he has lower back issues then that's different
I’m no expert my any means. But I prefer the wrist wrench over any other handle simply for the feeling of a pressure inside of my hand. I can move a lot more weight with static handles like a fat grip or art arm, but the wrist wrench on any vector period feels much more like there is movement inside of my hand which is where it would really be. I do all my lefts starting with weight in front of me, but I still train going sideways specifically and dragging back specifically. They feel different but I do believe the wrist wrench is doing more than “jack shit” when going sideways.
There is also the fact that when facing the weight, the pressure is mostly fingers and the most wrist flexion pressure is at full cup. When perpendicular, very little on fingers besides clamping, but peak force against the wrist flexion is at the start position
A wrist wrench "perpendicular to the hand" IS NOT equivalent to a fat grip on a D-ring or a mazurenko handle. Get any armwrestler (Including RVJ) on a table doing a perpendicular side pressure lift with both a wrist wrench and a Mazurenko handle and I'll bet money that the mazurenko handle lift will be higher. I've done both extensively and know from experience that those are both very different feeling lifts. The wrist wrench may not be applying as much pressure into opening your hand as if the weight was being pulled from directly in front of you, but it's still very different from a simple cylinder on a rod setup.
In my case ..With side pressure Around 2 to 5 kg difference between wrench and a handle with fat grips .. rob hand is elite .. and i dont think he do max efforts .. thats why he doesnt feel the difference imo.
@@adelali8912 for me the difference between parallel and perpendicular wrist wrench is 15 lbs, difference between perpendicular wrist wrench and mazurenko handle is much more, with different hand/arm balances, I could imagine those numbers could be closer for a lot of people.
It hits different for sure, my side pressure numbers are way higher on rolling handles even though I'm technically cheating the WW handle by curling in. Todd Hutchings has banned rolling handles from home school gym class for a reason!
Rob's hand is bigger than Devon's lmao. Plus Devon has wet noodle fingers, can't even carry his grocery bags without straps. Don't take any advice from him on grip stuff.
That is 1 way to use it, I agree it’s close to how it was intended to be used however, there are many different ways to use it that are neither wrong or condescendingly stupid, there is a place for many of it’s uses, this is how you like to do it and are convinced you’re correct… a little more context here is appropriate - for example, from the side like Todd, less on the hand than your example but exponentially more on the elbow. From a diagonal with a straight wrist start, varying diameters and done at speed with body english lends itself toward speed work or coordination - closer to how someone would move in a match I.e specificity.
Different techniques/methods provide different stimulus and need to be moderated within a regimen.
Many ways to skin a cat mate, many different methods have got people to the top. This is your opinion, it’s not wrong - its just yours.
Cheers
This
Todd can simulate that exact pressure on his elbow with a rolling thunder handle also, no? Isn't that what's Rob trying to say here in the first place?
When you change the angle from parallel to perpendicular, the wrist wrench loses its primary porpuse; hitting the fingers.
@@HyakuJuu01300 if you’ve done it yourself, you’ll see the error in your statement - negates the very reason he uses the wrist wrench. All I’m saying is - there are many ways to use the wrist wrench and trying to dictate what’s right or wrong irrespective of context is incorrect in itself.
@@HyakuJuu01300 The Wrist Wrench still hits different even when you curl right in and go sideways, try it for yourself it is way harder
@@lachlanadair1989 Please teach us more, especially more of the valuable standing curl exercises you perform to impress yourself and others called ego lifts that won't get you any further at the arm wrestling table. head rub.
Everything 💯 % accurate as usual, RVJ always telling it like it is!
It's hilarious seeing so many people on here wanting to correct this champion on everything he just talked about. No one here in the comments is on his level at all, pure comedy. Love the wisdom and strictness is what appears to create best results. Thanks for sharing this video I needed this!
Classic appeal to authorty fallacy. Champions can be wrong.
Taling about Champions, Hutchings has beaten RVJ many times and uses wrist wrench differently.
Does sthat make RVJ's statements invalid now?
Many ways to skin a cat mate.
I agree, but he does sound pissed. 🤦♂️😅😅😅
Haha your awesome thanks for always telling it how it is!
I definetely needed this, cheers🍻
It's a North American thing where so many men in particular have terrible weightlifting habits. They believe full range of motion is important, even when it leads to hyperextension and tearing of the connective tissue - which isn't vascularized to heal like bone or muscle. They concern themselves with the amount of weight they are lifting instead of doing the lift correctly. They still waste time doing the bench press despite being an incredibly injury-inducing and worthless lift. They allow for the "bounce" where something snaps back on the release of a lift or even when stretching, etc.
All of this because they want to avoid being called a "pussy" by other dudes.
I got to disagree about the bench press. For me bench press and floor pushups with my low parallel bars are my go to for chest exercises.🤔
I personally like the "D-ring" style handles like the Rolling Thunder, very comfortable and easy to load up weight with good form. The wrist wrench is much more humbling, can only lift 2/3 or less with it, but I don't like how it tries to rotate in your hand even if you hold your fingers and wrist tight, It encourages clamping too much imo, which isn't what I'm trying to work. Maybe would be better with chalk to stop from having to clamp as much but my gym doesn't allow chalk
Mine neither. I use liquid chalk and bring a little thing of soap and wet rag to clean any rare messes that happen, and they haven’t said a thing to me.
I never use chalk....i always do what i can, to make any lift as difficult as possible....Rock Hard muscles are WAY stronger than soft fluffy bulked up muscles ....
My wrist wrench has grip tape on it. It doesn't try to roll at all.
@@tenguken847 nothing wrong with using chalk, if you lift more with chalk you will end up progressing quicker. 💪
@@j.gilbert429 yep, chalk and grip tape to make it all wrist flexion and containment
Keepin it real brother 👍
Alot more uses and technics but your not wrong about how you use it.
I def think people are selling themselves short if they don't start with a straight wrist. I got a strap wrench that adds pronation and supination into the mix, which IMO I love even more than the wrist wrench.
Hi. Where’d you purchase this specific strap wrench?
@@AndrogenReceptor01 armassassinstrengthshop. Google that. They have all kinds of grip and arm wrestling gear. You can get different sizes and make custom orders as well.
I heard Bowen wrist wrenches 105
Well, at least you are putting out some worthwhile content now.
Got to be honest. Never thought about it. And I hate cheating lifts. I feel stupid lol
Good evening bud hope all is well with you and your family and happy Easter also thank you for sharing your knowledge and information
I see a lot of guys using this handle for ego lifts, but they can't do all that weight when it's wrenched.
Pretty sure Richard Lukas said he would use 2x4 putting all the force on your fingers.
Sometimes I use one. Very taxing on the fingers.
I once dropped one on my hand from a height of about 2 meters. I agree, very taxing on the fingers.
that wrist wrench lift, looked like u were FIGHTING it
100 Pounds on that? Damn brotha you strooong.
With the pulley system he is using, it comes out to roughly 100lbs ... HE says so in the video. Still massively strong.
@@UnApologeticPatriot yes thats what i meant, i forgot to edit it. Thats so strong, i can do 65-70 and think im strong lol
Always good info, I agree with this.
What you are saying is correct
great video, thank you
Good explanation
Teach me, masta.
Looks like you finished your basement. Looks good
Came for the armwrestling. Stayed for the decorating tips.
200lbs? RESPECT! I struggle with 15KG LOL
Fuck ya 💪 well said
Great vid!
Stay true to yourself above all.
Do you still do gripper training?
The Legend Himself @Grant Dyet
Hi sir.
Can the wrist max be used like we do with wrist wrenches like training with different vectors such as the cable perpendicular to the forearm or in a 45° angle?
fun stuff 💪♥️
If this dude stays healthy. Ten years from now he’ll be the next Devon laratt
100 years from now he will be the next Ryan Bowen
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This isn't really related to the vid, but whatever. You've made two separate claims in past videos about physical achievements that are pretty amazing. (1.) You mentioned closing the CoC # 4 and (2.) running a 4.3 second forty yard dash (when you were younger I assume). If both of these claims are true, I'd say you are the only person in history to have done this. I thought you were full of it until recently seeing a Jedd Johnson video where he backs up your CoC #4 close. Now I assume you are being honest about the 4.3 forty. Not sure if everyone understands how unique of an athlete Rob is.
Good to know, I've been doing it right lol.
bravo bravo
Do you use different diameters of wristwrench?
It was actually harder for me to do it perpendicular because the torque felt more than when doing it parallel
Is it true that you can’t deadlift 225 on an axle bar without using a mixed grip and straps?
lmao
I can do 315 easy for reps double overhand no straps. I 1000% guarantee you rob can do 225 in his sleep. Unless he has lower back issues then that's different
Facts
I’m no expert my any means. But I prefer the wrist wrench over any other handle simply for the feeling of a pressure inside of my hand. I can move a lot more weight with static handles like a fat grip or art arm, but the wrist wrench on any vector period feels much more like there is movement inside of my hand which is where it would really be. I do all my lefts starting with weight in front of me, but I still train going sideways specifically and dragging back specifically. They feel different but I do believe the wrist wrench is doing more than “jack shit” when going sideways.
There is also the fact that when facing the weight, the pressure is mostly fingers and the most wrist flexion pressure is at full cup. When perpendicular, very little on fingers besides clamping, but peak force against the wrist flexion is at the start position
yes... y... yep....mmmmmhmmmmm, 100%
I have a inch you can wrist curl
A wrist wrench "perpendicular to the hand" IS NOT equivalent to a fat grip on a D-ring or a mazurenko handle. Get any armwrestler (Including RVJ) on a table doing a perpendicular side pressure lift with both a wrist wrench and a Mazurenko handle and I'll bet money that the mazurenko handle lift will be higher. I've done both extensively and know from experience that those are both very different feeling lifts. The wrist wrench may not be applying as much pressure into opening your hand as if the weight was being pulled from directly in front of you, but it's still very different from a simple cylinder on a rod setup.
I’ve done it too… I disagree
@@RobVigeantRVJ fair enough, I'd be curious to see armwrestlers other than myself and you comment on the handles uses.
In my case ..With side pressure Around 2 to 5 kg difference between wrench and a handle with fat grips .. rob hand is elite .. and i dont think he do max efforts .. thats why he doesnt feel the difference imo.
@@adelali8912 for me the difference between parallel and perpendicular wrist wrench is 15 lbs, difference between perpendicular wrist wrench and mazurenko handle is much more, with different hand/arm balances, I could imagine those numbers could be closer for a lot of people.
It hits different for sure, my side pressure numbers are way higher on rolling handles even though I'm technically cheating the WW handle by curling in.
Todd Hutchings has banned rolling handles from home school gym class for a reason!
Hey rob
How much weight to pull is a good weight on this handle with this setup?
60lbs is a good lift the way Rob did it.
aright guys..
This guy is telling the truth unlike the liar Devon, specially when he talked about the thumb around the handle
devon doesnt care too much bout finger strength as he isnt a containment puller.RvJ is heavy on wrist and containing through the hand strength
@@AllThisForWhat armwrestler doesn't care about finger strength 🤦🤦🤦🤦
Bro stfu
Devons hand size changes everything he does everything is subjective
Rob's hand is bigger than Devon's lmao.
Plus Devon has wet noodle fingers, can't even carry his grocery bags without straps. Don't take any advice from him on grip stuff.
@@HyakuJuu01300 true he isnt big on grip game, and why would he, hes a strap guy