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NOTI SQUAD, but also Birdman can you PLEASE sin their Interatellar video. That movie is great and they get so much wrong on a scientific and cinematic level
“Sonic could still be found guilty of manslaughter“ is perhaps the funniest line i have read in one of these videos, and i don’t think it was even intended to be funny. It’s such a serious line, but the character in question is a blue cartoon hedgehog that runs fast - it’s a very similar energy to “I miss my wife, Tails“
"Not every reference is for everyone." Thank you! This screams why Sonic 2 was such a hit and rightfully so. It appealed to us 80s and 90s kids as well as today's generation! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@@DaWinglessFly , I only know who Oprah Winfrey is because of the Internet memes around her, and her running for presidency in 2020, so even if I wasn’t a person approaching their 30s then I’d still know who she is as a person for those reasons alone, so clearly Jeremy sinning the film for referencing Oprah is the most idiotic take from Jeremy because there are way more obscure references that general audience members wouldn’t be able to pick up on like in Family Guy than in the second Sonic film.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr the fact that Jeremy and I are in our 40s (big 4-0 for me) he would let it slide with the Oprah reference. But nope. Had to be cinemasins
I may have been born in 2004, but even I appreciate all the easter eggs, references, and heart put into this movie. In my opinion Sonic 1 and 2 is the best example on how to adapt something from source material such as a video game into a movie. Hell, the plot of Sonic 2 is almost 1:1 for Sonic 3 & Knuckles, down to the inclusion of Mushroom Hill Zone!!!
Jeremy constantly brings up things like the bank truck thing, "Why didn't character just use THIS power from the beginning?" In the case of the bank truck in this movie, Sonic tried to stop it with as little effort and time as possible while also having a bit of fun doing it. Asking Sonic to use an overpowering ability right away is like asking the police chief to interrogate a first-time shoplifter. You don't have to use your best ability every time to win.
He has a lot where he doesn't understand characters. I have seen sins like that where the character didn't do it first because the character hadn't even thought about it as a possibility.
@@darththeo birdman is right about these "expert" who think a character needs to be flawless and never make mistakes, yet will complain about that same character being "overpowered" See it's one thing when Jeremy does it cause he's a grifting charlatan But it's fans of CinemaSins and similar channels who inspire this mindset and they go through millions of videos arguing with people as if they're the experts and this has had a help in ruining movies because movie studios cave into these loud minority edgelords (Aka Rise of Skywalker)
23:45 CinemaSins is also the guy who doesn't understand that in the games the energy of the Chaos Emeralds/Master Emerald can come from positive energy such as the feeling of caring and friendship, or negative energy. Yet, the Chaos Emeralds activating once Sonic, Tom and Maddie embrace with a sense of family (positive energy) is ridiculously outlandish.
thats not entirely true, in the games (specifically SA 1 and 2) the chaos emeralds radiate energy to some extent indiscriminately, hence how tails was able to make one of them into a power source for one of his planes without being in contact with it all the time
@@Sleepy_KitsuneYeah but they can also exude positive and negative energy, like in SA1 how Chaos harnesses the negative energy to become Perfect Chaos.
I also can't stop laughing at this I have no idea where that sound byte came from but I'm so glad it was made because of not that would not have been as funny
I like how cinema sins keeps complaining about finding the emerald to be too hard and overcomplicated, but like it's a weapon of ultimate power, so why would anyone make finding it be simple lol
6:30 another point Jeremy got wrong. The answer to his question is "yes." The first movie's climax was in the middle of the town with plenty of witnesses. People in Green Hills 100% know about sonic and have been keeping quiet about him.
Also Jeremy deserves more sins for sinning a movie with Jim Carrey, he's one of the greatest comedians ever, I repeat comedian, Jeremy should take notes
Not to mention the fact that, as much as I hate to say this, Jim has been missing in recent years. I don't know what happened but he's not been at his best. Him as Dr Robotnik was a wonderful return to form and I am still in complete awe of how he incredibly portrays Robotnik. I cannot shower the man in enough praise for his Robotnik. As a previous reply stated this may be his last movie but I hope, by some miracle, he sees out the another 2 or 3 Sonic films because I think they have enough truly great source material from the Sonic franchise. Even once Shadow arrives there will be so much room for growing Shadow, something he criminally never got in the games. Jim as Robotnik would be brilliant in all Sonic stories. However if it's not to be then I respect Jim's wishes, he's committed amazing performances to so many films at this stage and I'm just thankful we got to see these two films with Jim in it doing Robotnik the justice he deserved on the big screen.
5:45 Well said. In fact, the BEST character weaknesses aren’t things like Venom’s aversion to sound, or the obvious example of Kryptonite. Great heroic characters are those with flaws that make their powers immaterial in a grand sense. A character’s potential to perfectly act within the scope of their power has to be tempered by their characterization, lest they be boring. I guess that’s why I don’t hate the MCU Dr. Strange as much as people seem to.
@@tresrules16543 Apparently people seem to think he’s always getting nerfed and citing his fight with Spider-Man as an example. Examples which often get refuted by Birdman.
@@tresrules16543 Some people (CinemaSins) are angry that he is godlike levels of powerful and basically nothing could beat him, but then get mad that he loses to being arrogant and underestimating the enemy, which is his character. See: EWW CinemaSins: No Way Home, where Jeremy doesn't believe Spidey could win and is mad that he does, when he beats him with smarts and by Strange underestimating him.
@@High-LordHarza To be fair, this is Jeremy we're talking about. I've seen him get confused about stuff in a kids movie, so it doesn't take much to do stuff like that to him. But I get what you're saying.
I am SO happy to hear you point out the 'freeze' reaction. Always hear the fight or flight but people never mention there are 3, fight, flight, or freeze!
6:46 Cinema Sins ignores the fact that at the end of the last movie, a good chunk of the town SAW Sonic in his fight with Robotnik. So yeah, I think the town’s probably used to Tom’s hedgehog son running around the mountainside-
The real sin here is Jeremy doesn't understand what the word "Protagonist" means. We've had many villainous protagonists across film and TV for a century by this point. Your example is a perfect one.
Jeremy thinks "protagonist" and "hero" are the same thing. True, most protagonists are usually heroes, but that isn't absolute and is not the word's definition.
6:25 Not just Sonic's mental age, but in the games canonically, he IS 15/16 years old. Considering that in the first film Sonic was likely 3 or 4 years old when he first arrived on Earth, this also puts Sonic at 13/14 years old BY THE TIME the main events come about. This also puts Sonic at 15/16 years old by the time the 2nd movie rolls around. The movies literally emphasise that Sonic is still a child moreso than the games do themselves. Sonic isn't mentally a child in the movie, he IS a child, and it's especially prevalent with how isolated he's been and how all of his social interactions have been based off of what he remembered with Longclaw and what movies and films he's comsumed growing up. And if you're wondering about Tails and Knuckles, Tails is 8 and this gets frequently mentioned on social media even now unlike everyone else. Knuckles is 16 years old (and this gets confirmed if you look at Sonic Heroes manual and also the plushies you get if you receive them because the plushies have information on their age on the tag that comes with them.
The fact that Jeremy sinned the Shadow reveal should've gotten him another 50 sins. Did he not watch all the videos of people losing their minds at that credit scene?
I have a fond memory of watching this in theatres with my boyfriend during the baseball scene and he burst out laughter after Knuckles called the truck a “victory chariot”.
While I didn't necessarily mind the wedding scene, it's majorly for the best part, which was the introduction of G.U.N which just proves ANYTHING else could've gone here to introduce the organization. LITERALLY anything.
I.E an actual Shadow Plot to the effect of Adventure 2 but clearly the movies are borrowing loosely from the original trilogy, (though there isn't really much to borrow with the fact that the story in those games are limited) with this clearly being inspired by 2 and 3 & Knuckles, though hopefully we do get some adventure plotlines in 3. Though it is perfectly reasonable for Sonic CD as well I personally am just an adventure fan Metal Sonic, Chaos, and Shadow are just really good options for plotlines to the next sequel in my opinion.
@@Gojin91 Well Shadow is guaranteed. We already know he's coming. Chaos is weird since he came before Shadow...and it wouldn't make sense to have both Sonic and Shadow there to deal with him. I can see Metal Sonic being added in Movie 3 or after. But I'm more curious as to whether or not Amy and Rouge will be brought in movie 3.
@@ProjectSorolf I can See both Amy and Rogue, showing up especially if they decide to do metal sonic in some capacity, in modern canon Rouge is very commonly working with G.U.N. and it is very possible they could activate shadow to help deal with Chaos or Metal Sonic, as there is ground work for Robotnik to want to mess with either narratively. Chaos being from his desire to control the master/chaos emeralds and Metal Sonic cause of his love of machines, Amy presents an easy C plot for Sonic to deal with a love interest/damsel in distress/stalker fan. But at the end of the day this is all speculation and lots of things are possible the movies clearly are their own canon.
If a Birdman episode takes 25 minutes, then you know we get lot’s of holes to poke Also that voice acting at 5:58 was impressive. I know voice acting is a profession you do, but still, pretty cool
21:43 G.U.N. (at least in the games and anime) is also notorious for acting fairly fast for what seems to be an organization that fucks things up on the regular. No surprise that they're already there
8:34 I don’t know why, but the slow frame by frame of Sonic riding a lawnmower indoors, destroying snacks with a dog in a wagon while an almost(?) debate-like narration plays over it down right hysterical to me!
Did the CinemaSins guys not realize that the Chaos Emeralds are important to Sonic 1 (the game), Sonic 2 (the game), Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic 06, and Sonic Unleashed, all of which came out before the MCU made the Infinity Stones (as they were known in those movies) as well-known as they are? Did they think this movie made up the Chaos Emeralds?
Why is it that people hate the wedding so much? It's a great way to introduce G.U.N. as the kind of agency that would do literally ANYTHING to accomplish a goal (in this case, capturing Sonic). Besides, we know from the games that they can be and are pretty scummy with their plans, or are we gonna forget that they literally chased Sonic with a whole truck causing havoc on the city just because they mistook him for Shadow?
Even if he does know who Ray the Flying Squirrel is, he called SUPER Sonic "Sonic-turned-Ray the Flying Squirrel" when he doesn't even look a dink like Ray. Like, why?
Imagine getting mad that that the race for the Master Emerald goes ALL AROUND THE WORLD, even though it's one of the most valuable objects in the universe.
Idk how Jeremy didn’t take any sims off for Knuckles being HILARIOUS. I’m a Black woman dating a Mexican man and never caught the undertones with Rachel. I was just thinking she hated him for the chair, cuz I would have too. Only cause James Marsden is fine as hell, how can you hate him for any other reason. 😂
On the sin about the Face Time call: that is literally the best possible way for Sonic to use a phone, due to how the phone, and his head, are designed
I was taking a graduate level film course and the one dude's presentation on "Carrie" actually included the CinemaSins video on the film. He didn't comment, he just let Jeremy make his points for him. Jeremy is actively making people dumber.
To be fair, it isn't just him and he wasn't the first. Just one of, if not the, biggest person who does it. There are so many channels that just repeat garbage easily to disprove points about movies that people just swallow. People think I like the Sequel Trilogy to Star Wars because I defend parts of the movie against what I find to be invalid criticism. There are legitimate reasons to questions the sequels, but so many people whine about things take out of context or misrepresented.
@@darththeo Oh I know he wasn't the first. Doug Walker invented that video format and he's an egomaniac who only ever rode the coattails of more talented people.
This was my favorite Birdman video since Princess and the Frog. Thank you for this. Also, double thank you for reminding me Smooth McGroove exists. I need to go listen to a few of his songs now.
One of the dumbest things Jeremy said in this video that I'm surprised you didn't mention was his 82nd sin, right after the Owls steal the Master Emerald from the Echidna leader in the backstory: "Also, why not just make another one?" Oh, I don't know, maybe because the Master Emerald was made by and contains ALL SEVEN of the SEVEN Chaos Emeralds of which there are EXACTLY SEVEN?! How would they make a new Master Emerald if they don't have the things needed to make the Master Emerald?!
@@MasonJWMyers that's not actually the case since that's not how it is in the games, especially now with the new revelations from Frontiers. This is only how it is in the movie, as explained in the very scene he was sinning at the moment.
Lowkey wished you added 250 more sins here. 100 for sinning Super Sonic, and the other 150 for sinning Shadow. Still another great video as always though
I honestly thought Sonic 2 was slightly better than Sonic 1, seeing that not only does it have my favorite character from the games Miles Per Hour and my favorite interpretation of Knuckles (that being Papa Idris), but it also *doubles down* on the amount of references from the first movie, from a sly Ugandan Knuckles meme reference when Knuckles and Ivo meet, to The Mean Bean Machine, to Agent Stone picking up a Sega Genesis handbook while in the Death Egg Robot, to introducing G.U.N. in the Marriage subplot, to setting up what seams to be Sonic Adventure 2, to even doing SUPER SONIC! I also thought the backstory for the Chaos Emeralds was good, but also sort of disappointing since we won't be getting Chaos. This movie is basically the definition of fanservice and an actual movie coming together to become something greater. I cannot wait for Sonic 3. I wonder what meme they'll reference next?
could still end up getting Chaos given the whole "other planets" bits, wouldnt even need to change much of Chaos' backstory since he is literally just a heavily mutated chao and the only reason he went ballistic on the echidnas in SA1 was because they hurt the chao
I actually remember when Jeremy made a cognizant point about using titles to explain where something was in Thunderball, where the scene carefully framed itself in a way that it showed a famous landmark in a way that you would notice it because it was the first thing in the frame (the Eiffel Tower in that case), but then the frame drew your eye from that to the character the scene was about and then had a a character speak in French to said character, immediately establishing where it was without needing a title, demonstrating how with a bit of good film-making, you could avoid using location titles as a crutch. He considered this bit of good film-making worth taking a sin off. Moments like that make so much of his work really infuriating, because it really shows how he's capable of grasping stuff in films, he just chooses not to because he's realized his audience doesn't care and that means he doesn't have to try.
BEGGING you to do a Sonic 3 one of these if CinemaSins does one, which is almost certain. These are hilarious and as a Sonic fan I appreciate the defense lol
21:57 - I remember I did this in a video game. I was playing Black Ops zombies on the map Origins. The 1st time I saw those walking titans I looked up in amazement regarding how tall they were. I was literally stunned.
I'm sooooo upset you got me with the Invincible title card joke. As soon as I heard the music and saw the screen, I paused the video for like 2 minutes because of how focused and how it broke my immersion with how sudden it was. This is why I love the wonders of video editing, good on you Birdman
I'm a black dude who seen this movie 7 times in the theater and I only JUST NOW caught that racial dynamic you brought up regarding why Rachel doesn't like Tom. Even when I chuckled at her daughter calling him Uncle Tom... 😅 Thanks for this video, man.
I kinda assumed that in the first movie. Not to say you’re slow on the uptake I’m just saying Also I feel the second movie made Rachel much more likable than the first
As a black almost woman, I thought the same. I knew she disliked him even though he seemed like a great guy, but I never understood what the problem was. Bird explaining it definitely helped.
I was in the middle of typing at the end of this video, about to say I love you and your videos, but then that ending music. Man I love that you always put the coolest scenes and music in the intro and outros and very much appreciate the outro music in this one.
"... You tell me why she hated this guy?" I have a theory! So in the first film, Rachel had a daughter, Jojo. Interestingly, there was no husband in that film. Me thinks, that Rachel had a divorce which led to her developing a comical distrust towards men in general. After her breakup, Tom met her sister, Maddie, and Rachel believed Tom to be no good just like her ex. She arrogantly holds onto that belief, completely ignoring how Tom and Maddie are actually really good together. However, the b plot is her marrying another guy. Which, sadly, is a wrinkle in my theory.
My favorite Sonic games are: Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 18:23 In addition to the backpack sin there was also a Tails logo patch sewn on the backpack too, that’s another way you can see who it actually belongs to.
I still think that the sonic movies don't need licensed music, we already have live and learn we don't need music that the internet will forget in the next 3 years
I've been watching Birdman since I discovered him. I watched cinema sins when it first became a channel and got sick of it. Let's just say, Birdman was a perfecto find. Keep doing you man. I know this is like a thousand videos in, but I'm at work and I barely comment on RUclips videos. Long story short, thank you for your content.
I like to believe that the only reason the wedding subplot was here was because the movie wanted to remind us that G.U.N. existed and that they would have a more important role in the third movie.
Another rebuttal to that "put the next part HERE" sin: More layers of security is never a bad thing, especially when the thing being secured is something that took the damn Justice League expy to shut down in the first place.
I love these videos. I'm a huge Sonic fan and seeing Jeremy try and put these very well made and incredible movies down like this just makes me laugh. I'm absolutely convinced he's never played a single one of the Sonic games in his life. That said, keep up the good work dude. Your videos are incredible. P.S. I don't know about anyone else, but in the third movie, I would love to see 3 characters. Amy, Shadow and Metal Sonic.
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Definitely City Escape
NOTI SQUAD, but also Birdman can you PLEASE sin their Interatellar video. That movie is great and they get so much wrong on a scientific and cinematic level
Cool Edge Day from Sonic Unleashed and Find Your Flame from Sonic Frontiers
Doomsday zone from Sonic 3 & Knuckles is an absolute banger
Gotta say his world, all hail shadow, never turn back, and live and learn.
“Sonic could still be found guilty of manslaughter“ is perhaps the funniest line i have read in one of these videos, and i don’t think it was even intended to be funny. It’s such a serious line, but the character in question is a blue cartoon hedgehog that runs fast - it’s a very similar energy to “I miss my wife, Tails“
Why couldn't he call it "womanslaughter?"
"Not every reference is for everyone." Thank you! This screams why Sonic 2 was such a hit and rightfully so. It appealed to us 80s and 90s kids as well as today's generation! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Exactly! Sonic been around for 30 years!! And 80s, 90s and even those who are born 2000s love this movie.
@@DaWinglessFly , I only know who Oprah Winfrey is because of the Internet memes around her, and her running for presidency in 2020, so even if I wasn’t a person approaching their 30s then I’d still know who she is as a person for those reasons alone, so clearly Jeremy sinning the film for referencing Oprah is the most idiotic take from Jeremy because there are way more obscure references that general audience members wouldn’t be able to pick up on like in Family Guy than in the second Sonic film.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr the fact that Jeremy and I are in our 40s (big 4-0 for me) he would let it slide with the Oprah reference. But nope. Had to be cinemasins
I may have been born in 2004, but even I appreciate all the easter eggs, references, and heart put into this movie. In my opinion Sonic 1 and 2 is the best example on how to adapt something from source material such as a video game into a movie. Hell, the plot of Sonic 2 is almost 1:1 for Sonic 3 & Knuckles, down to the inclusion of Mushroom Hill Zone!!!
@@DaWinglessFly me too Jeremy is the most boomer gen xer i ever seen
Jeremy constantly brings up things like the bank truck thing, "Why didn't character just use THIS power from the beginning?" In the case of the bank truck in this movie, Sonic tried to stop it with as little effort and time as possible while also having a bit of fun doing it. Asking Sonic to use an overpowering ability right away is like asking the police chief to interrogate a first-time shoplifter. You don't have to use your best ability every time to win.
He has a lot where he doesn't understand characters. I have seen sins like that where the character didn't do it first because the character hadn't even thought about it as a possibility.
@@darththeo birdman is right about these "expert" who think a character needs to be flawless and never make mistakes, yet will complain about that same character being "overpowered"
See it's one thing when Jeremy does it cause he's a grifting charlatan
But it's fans of CinemaSins and similar channels who inspire this mindset and they go through millions of videos arguing with people as if they're the experts and this has had a help in ruining movies because movie studios cave into these loud minority edgelords (Aka Rise of Skywalker)
22:55 I was NOT expecting either Jeremy's "joke" or that monstrously good edit, I damn near made my cat jump stifling a laugh
23:45
CinemaSins is also the guy who doesn't understand that in the games the energy of the Chaos Emeralds/Master Emerald can come from positive energy such as the feeling of caring and friendship, or negative energy. Yet, the Chaos Emeralds activating once Sonic, Tom and Maddie embrace with a sense of family (positive energy) is ridiculously outlandish.
thats not entirely true, in the games (specifically SA 1 and 2) the chaos emeralds radiate energy to some extent indiscriminately, hence how tails was able to make one of them into a power source for one of his planes without being in contact with it all the time
@@Sleepy_KitsuneYeah but they can also exude positive and negative energy, like in SA1 how Chaos harnesses the negative energy to become Perfect Chaos.
22:53 I laughed way too hard at this, it was so out of the blue but somehow just the perfect reaction to what Jeremy said 😂
I also can't stop laughing at this
I have no idea where that sound byte came from but I'm so glad it was made because of not that would not have been as funny
And the fact he added 100 sins LMAO deserved
Best part of the video hands down
I like how cinema sins keeps complaining about finding the emerald to be too hard and overcomplicated, but like it's a weapon of ultimate power, so why would anyone make finding it be simple lol
6:30 another point Jeremy got wrong. The answer to his question is "yes." The first movie's climax was in the middle of the town with plenty of witnesses. People in Green Hills 100% know about sonic and have been keeping quiet about him.
Also Jeremy deserves more sins for sinning a movie with Jim Carrey, he's one of the greatest comedians ever, I repeat comedian, Jeremy should take notes
He’s an awesome comedian but should probably stay out of politics because he’s an idiot when it comes to that 😂😂
Especially cause this movie could potentially be Jim’s final film in his acting career.
@@cloudshines812 and everyone loves jim, he's one of the greatest actors, comedians and anything well have in these few years
Not to mention the fact that, as much as I hate to say this, Jim has been missing in recent years. I don't know what happened but he's not been at his best. Him as Dr Robotnik was a wonderful return to form and I am still in complete awe of how he incredibly portrays Robotnik. I cannot shower the man in enough praise for his Robotnik. As a previous reply stated this may be his last movie but I hope, by some miracle, he sees out the another 2 or 3 Sonic films because I think they have enough truly great source material from the Sonic franchise. Even once Shadow arrives there will be so much room for growing Shadow, something he criminally never got in the games. Jim as Robotnik would be brilliant in all Sonic stories. However if it's not to be then I respect Jim's wishes, he's committed amazing performances to so many films at this stage and I'm just thankful we got to see these two films with Jim in it doing Robotnik the justice he deserved on the big screen.
@@darkjerf *_"Jeremy should take notes"_* That'd be implying Jeremy is capable of paying attention to take notes. Yeah, right! 🤣
5:45
Well said. In fact, the BEST character weaknesses aren’t things like Venom’s aversion to sound, or the obvious example of Kryptonite. Great heroic characters are those with flaws that make their powers immaterial in a grand sense. A character’s potential to perfectly act within the scope of their power has to be tempered by their characterization, lest they be boring. I guess that’s why I don’t hate the MCU Dr. Strange as much as people seem to.
Wait, people hate Doctor Strange?
@@tresrules16543 Apparently people seem to think he’s always getting nerfed and citing his fight with Spider-Man as an example. Examples which often get refuted by Birdman.
I’ve met people who say his characterization annoys them. So I guess “hate” was the wrong word.
@@tresrules16543 Some people (CinemaSins) are angry that he is godlike levels of powerful and basically nothing could beat him, but then get mad that he loses to being arrogant and underestimating the enemy, which is his character. See: EWW CinemaSins: No Way Home, where Jeremy doesn't believe Spidey could win and is mad that he does, when he beats him with smarts and by Strange underestimating him.
@@High-LordHarza To be fair, this is Jeremy we're talking about. I've seen him get confused about stuff in a kids movie, so it doesn't take much to do stuff like that to him. But I get what you're saying.
I am SO happy to hear you point out the 'freeze' reaction. Always hear the fight or flight but people never mention there are 3, fight, flight, or freeze!
it's not exactly a response to natural danger, but there is a fourth! Fawn, appealing to the attacker.
6:46 Cinema Sins ignores the fact that at the end of the last movie, a good chunk of the town SAW Sonic in his fight with Robotnik. So yeah, I think the town’s probably used to Tom’s hedgehog son running around the mountainside-
The real sin here is Jeremy doesn't understand what the word "Protagonist" means.
We've had many villainous protagonists across film and TV for a century by this point. Your example is a perfect one.
Jeremy thinks "protagonist" and "hero" are the same thing. True, most protagonists are usually heroes, but that isn't absolute and is not the word's definition.
Protagonist is basically the main character, whereas antagonist is basically the main character's main obstacle and opposite traits.
You know what trope I miss.... "Crunch, crunch..... You padding the Sin count bro?" Lol 😂 really miss that one!!
6:25 Not just Sonic's mental age, but in the games canonically, he IS 15/16 years old. Considering that in the first film Sonic was likely 3 or 4 years old when he first arrived on Earth, this also puts Sonic at 13/14 years old BY THE TIME the main events come about. This also puts Sonic at 15/16 years old by the time the 2nd movie rolls around. The movies literally emphasise that Sonic is still a child moreso than the games do themselves. Sonic isn't mentally a child in the movie, he IS a child, and it's especially prevalent with how isolated he's been and how all of his social interactions have been based off of what he remembered with Longclaw and what movies and films he's comsumed growing up.
And if you're wondering about Tails and Knuckles, Tails is 8 and this gets frequently mentioned on social media even now unlike everyone else. Knuckles is 16 years old (and this gets confirmed if you look at Sonic Heroes manual and also the plushies you get if you receive them because the plushies have information on their age on the tag that comes with them.
The fact that Jeremy sinned the Shadow reveal should've gotten him another 50 sins. Did he not watch all the videos of people losing their minds at that credit scene?
As a fellow Sonic fan all I can really say is Thank you for this video Birdman. Seriously thank you
I can't wait for CinemaSins to "sin" Sonic 3 so that Th3Birdman can sin him.
I can't wait to hear Shadow's voice too. Haven't gotten to watch it
I have a fond memory of watching this in theatres with my boyfriend during the baseball scene and he burst out laughter after Knuckles called the truck a “victory chariot”.
While I didn't necessarily mind the wedding scene, it's majorly for the best part, which was the introduction of G.U.N which just proves ANYTHING else could've gone here to introduce the organization.
LITERALLY anything.
I.E an actual Shadow Plot to the effect of Adventure 2 but clearly the movies are borrowing loosely from the original trilogy, (though there isn't really much to borrow with the fact that the story in those games are limited) with this clearly being inspired by 2 and 3 & Knuckles, though hopefully we do get some adventure plotlines in 3. Though it is perfectly reasonable for Sonic CD as well I personally am just an adventure fan Metal Sonic, Chaos, and Shadow are just really good options for plotlines to the next sequel in my opinion.
@@Gojin91 Well Shadow is guaranteed. We already know he's coming. Chaos is weird since he came before Shadow...and it wouldn't make sense to have both Sonic and Shadow there to deal with him.
I can see Metal Sonic being added in Movie 3 or after. But I'm more curious as to whether or not Amy and Rouge will be brought in movie 3.
@@ProjectSorolf I can See both Amy and Rogue, showing up especially if they decide to do metal sonic in some capacity, in modern canon Rouge is very commonly working with G.U.N. and it is very possible they could activate shadow to help deal with Chaos or Metal Sonic, as there is ground work for Robotnik to want to mess with either narratively. Chaos being from his desire to control the master/chaos emeralds and Metal Sonic cause of his love of machines, Amy presents an easy C plot for Sonic to deal with a love interest/damsel in distress/stalker fan.
But at the end of the day this is all speculation and lots of things are possible the movies clearly are their own canon.
I agree that the wedding subplot could have been reduced in terms of screen time, but in the grand scheme of things, it doesn’t ruin the movie for me.
@@TF2Fan101 I agree, it wasn't horrible it just overstayed it's welcome.
If a Birdman episode takes 25 minutes, then you know we get lot’s of holes to poke
Also that voice acting at 5:58 was impressive. I know voice acting is a profession you do, but still, pretty cool
21:43 G.U.N. (at least in the games and anime) is also notorious for acting fairly fast for what seems to be an organization that fucks things up on the regular. No surprise that they're already there
8:34 I don’t know why, but the slow frame by frame of Sonic riding a lawnmower indoors, destroying snacks with a dog in a wagon while an almost(?) debate-like narration plays over it down right hysterical to me!
Did the CinemaSins guys not realize that the Chaos Emeralds are important to Sonic 1 (the game), Sonic 2 (the game), Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic 06, and Sonic Unleashed, all of which came out before the MCU made the Infinity Stones (as they were known in those movies) as well-known as they are? Did they think this movie made up the Chaos Emeralds?
Why is it that people hate the wedding so much? It's a great way to introduce G.U.N. as the kind of agency that would do literally ANYTHING to accomplish a goal (in this case, capturing Sonic). Besides, we know from the games that they can be and are pretty scummy with their plans, or are we gonna forget that they literally chased Sonic with a whole truck causing havoc on the city just because they mistook him for Shadow?
I honestly can't wait for the third movie.
Me neither.
You should've given him 1 million sins for calling Super Sonic... Ray The Flying Squirrel...
22:55. I lost it here. Came out of left field and I watched it over and over again! Truly amazing!
The idea that Jeremy has any fucking clue on who Ray the flying squirrel is and yet doesn't understand how the Chaos Emerald works is hilarious to me
Even if he does know who Ray the Flying Squirrel is, he called SUPER Sonic "Sonic-turned-Ray the Flying Squirrel" when he doesn't even look a dink like Ray. Like, why?
I'm surprised Jermey didn't sin the post credits scene. Sinning Shadow the Hedgehog sounds like something he'd do.
Bold of you to assume he knows who that is
@Miss Electricvine of course he did 🤦🏻♀️
Too long? Isn't the entire scene, like, sub-one minute?
sinning shadow should be illegal
oh boy can’t wait to see another exciting episode of jeremy scott is destroyed by bird
Right?! It's my favorite show!
Being destroyed by a bird
22:54
This has to be my favorite use of that gag.
Jeremy has never heard of the villain protagonist *gives 52 more sins*
that "NIGGA" Sega drop caught me completely offguard 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Imagine getting mad that that the race for the Master Emerald goes ALL AROUND THE WORLD, even though it's one of the most valuable objects in the universe.
11:44 Jeremy, you know why he's called KNUCKLES
That "Nigga!" clip part took me out because I use it when someone says something outta pocket. Never change bro. Never change 😂😂😂😂
You gave all Sonic fans justice.
Idk how Jeremy didn’t take any sims off for Knuckles being HILARIOUS.
I’m a Black woman dating a Mexican man and never caught the undertones with Rachel. I was just thinking she hated him for the chair, cuz I would have too. Only cause James Marsden is fine as hell, how can you hate him for any other reason. 😂
Knuckles being defensive and aggressive is so hilarious when it was simply Eggman helping him up.
I did the same thing irl a few times
Let's go!! Sonic 2 is officially my favorite video game film, and I've been waiting for you to do a video one it! Thanks for making my day
can't wait for how Jeremy dunks on the Mario Movie seeing how he knows nothing of video games and will only do it for the views anyway lol
@@savageratentertainment it's basically a given at this point
@@savageratentertainment on a slightly unrelated note: Pratt plays the italian plumber role surprisingly well
22:49 I knew it had to come eventually (the edited SEGA meme) in this video, but that caught me off guard slick lmaooo
On the sin about the Face Time call: that is literally the best possible way for Sonic to use a phone, due to how the phone, and his head, are designed
"specially because Tom was a great guy that she disliked for no apparent reason"
bro he's a cop
That was the joke i think
One, 100 points to Gryffindor for the Invicible thing. And Two, as a Christian, that last joke? Holy Fire, my guy. 100 more points
@lilkingg82 makes a Harry Potter pop culture reference that has nothing to do with Sonic the Hedgehog 2 cliche 🤷♂️ ding
I was taking a graduate level film course and the one dude's presentation on "Carrie" actually included the CinemaSins video on the film. He didn't comment, he just let Jeremy make his points for him. Jeremy is actively making people dumber.
To be fair, it isn't just him and he wasn't the first. Just one of, if not the, biggest person who does it.
There are so many channels that just repeat garbage easily to disprove points about movies that people just swallow. People think I like the Sequel Trilogy to Star Wars because I defend parts of the movie against what I find to be invalid criticism. There are legitimate reasons to questions the sequels, but so many people whine about things take out of context or misrepresented.
@@darththeo Oh I know he wasn't the first. Doug Walker invented that video format and he's an egomaniac who only ever rode the coattails of more talented people.
@@RenaldyCalixte the first movie. the other two are not real 👍
Fantastic idea to use the Sonic Mania art for the thumbnail for this one!
Dude! This is golden! Thank you so much for making this. Also, this movie is my favorite of all time
Tails is ADORBS! I love the scene when Sonic got a little chilly and Tails used his tails as a blanket as they slept side by side. 🤗
i love it too !!! i cant wait for the third movie
I been checking back looking for this video😭. Can’t believe im a day late
Hope you enjoyed it!
Until this moment I didn’t know commercial sins was a thing
I was laughing at 22:53 for like 5 mins straight.
I mean 22:54
@@Hitman-bl4yd oh no I understand either way what you timestamped and I fully agree. I was not ready for that and I was crying laughing cause of it.
This was my favorite Birdman video since Princess and the Frog. Thank you for this.
Also, double thank you for reminding me Smooth McGroove exists. I need to go listen to a few of his songs now.
One of the dumbest things Jeremy said in this video that I'm surprised you didn't mention was his 82nd sin, right after the Owls steal the Master Emerald from the Echidna leader in the backstory: "Also, why not just make another one?"
Oh, I don't know, maybe because the Master Emerald was made by and contains ALL SEVEN of the SEVEN Chaos Emeralds of which there are EXACTLY SEVEN?! How would they make a new Master Emerald if they don't have the things needed to make the Master Emerald?!
In other words, Jeremy doesn't know shit about video games
@@MasonJWMyers that's not actually the case since that's not how it is in the games, especially now with the new revelations from Frontiers. This is only how it is in the movie, as explained in the very scene he was sinning at the moment.
How the could I have missed that?! Man this guy is such a dumb_ss it's hilarious.
@@MasonJWMyers In the games the Master Emerald was essentially a hard counter to the Chaos Emeralds
22:55 - LMMFAO!!!! Dammit, Birdman.....I spit coffee all over my laptop!!
Lowkey wished you added 250 more sins here. 100 for sinning Super Sonic, and the other 150 for sinning Shadow.
Still another great video as always though
I honestly thought Sonic 2 was slightly better than Sonic 1, seeing that not only does it have my favorite character from the games Miles Per Hour and my favorite interpretation of Knuckles (that being Papa Idris), but it also *doubles down* on the amount of references from the first movie, from a sly Ugandan Knuckles meme reference when Knuckles and Ivo meet, to The Mean Bean Machine, to Agent Stone picking up a Sega Genesis handbook while in the Death Egg Robot, to introducing G.U.N. in the Marriage subplot, to setting up what seams to be Sonic Adventure 2, to even doing SUPER SONIC!
I also thought the backstory for the Chaos Emeralds was good, but also sort of disappointing since we won't be getting Chaos.
This movie is basically the definition of fanservice and an actual movie coming together to become something greater. I cannot wait for Sonic 3. I wonder what meme they'll reference next?
could still end up getting Chaos given the whole "other planets" bits, wouldnt even need to change much of Chaos' backstory since he is literally just a heavily mutated chao and the only reason he went ballistic on the echidnas in SA1 was because they hurt the chao
Maybe the meme they could reference is Ow the Edge? You know, considering that the next movie will be about Shadow.
It’s Miles Prower
Shout out to Flying Battery going harder than it had any reason to in 1994
Right? That underlying bass, kick and snare hits hard af.
24:03 He doesn’t know about Sonics rings (as he’s joked about it in both opening logos) but he knows about Ray the Flying Squirrel?
22:52 This took me OUT
22:50 had me spit out my drink lmfao!!!
That intro... Well, those intros were outstanding.
22:55 this shit caught me so off-guard LMAO
I actually remember when Jeremy made a cognizant point about using titles to explain where something was in Thunderball, where the scene carefully framed itself in a way that it showed a famous landmark in a way that you would notice it because it was the first thing in the frame (the Eiffel Tower in that case), but then the frame drew your eye from that to the character the scene was about and then had a a character speak in French to said character, immediately establishing where it was without needing a title, demonstrating how with a bit of good film-making, you could avoid using location titles as a crutch. He considered this bit of good film-making worth taking a sin off.
Moments like that make so much of his work really infuriating, because it really shows how he's capable of grasping stuff in films, he just chooses not to because he's realized his audience doesn't care and that means he doesn't have to try.
Rachel's wedding was hilarious, don't @ me
BEGGING you to do a Sonic 3 one of these if CinemaSins does one, which is almost certain. These are hilarious and as a Sonic fan I appreciate the defense lol
21:57 - I remember I did this in a video game. I was playing Black Ops zombies on the map Origins. The 1st time I saw those walking titans I looked up in amazement regarding how tall they were. I was literally stunned.
I love that you used Smooth McGroove's acapella. That good nostalgic feeling...
Love the chemical plant zone theme at the end...one of the best sonic songs in history..in my opinion
22:49 Best part of the video hands down
Oh god, I couldn’t even finish CinemaSins’ video, thank you for this. I swear, I think his videos get dumber with each release
16:15 Squirrel RUclipsr: You mean Infinity Stones?
Birdman: Gems. Infinity Gems.
(Reference to a certain someone who says Birdman is a Joke)
I'm sooooo upset you got me with the Invincible title card joke. As soon as I heard the music and saw the screen, I paused the video for like 2 minutes because of how focused and how it broke my immersion with how sudden it was. This is why I love the wonders of video editing, good on you Birdman
I think Jeremy is secretly a Dursley. Hating anything fantasy just for being a fantasy story or in this case a game+story.
That makes sense, considering he did the Harry Potter videos years ago.
Which is weird since he wrote a couple novels about handicapped kids with superpowers.
@@InfiniteFury2K Exactly😃
The intro is SO well timed. Perfect
Love your videos, Birdman. Keep up the good work.
Man you're good at this, like I watched his Sonic video and there was barely anything I knew to sin. You are too good at this!
17:01 Birdman makes a invincible pop culture ref-
I'm a black dude who seen this movie 7 times in the theater and I only JUST NOW caught that racial dynamic you brought up regarding why Rachel doesn't like Tom. Even when I chuckled at her daughter calling him Uncle Tom... 😅
Thanks for this video, man.
I kinda assumed that in the first movie.
Not to say you’re slow on the uptake I’m just saying
Also I feel the second movie made Rachel much more likable than the first
As a black almost woman, I thought the same. I knew she disliked him even though he seemed like a great guy, but I never understood what the problem was. Bird explaining it definitely helped.
To be fair his name is Tom. Anyone who has a niece or nephew and is named Tom is gonna get called that.
@@autobotproductions1244 I was just so into the fact that we actually got a good Sonic movie(s) that I wasn't looking into it like that. 😅
0:29 H O L Y S H I T
These must take a shit ton of time to edit, thanks for doing those rad syncs in the video openings :O
We should have a "Jeremy makes a pop culture reference-" counter at some point. Just a separate counter.
Oh man, I really enjoyed the movie but despised CinemaSins' video on it. I'm glad you're using the homing attack on them!
I was in the middle of typing at the end of this video, about to say I love you and your videos, but then that ending music. Man I love that you always put the coolest scenes and music in the intro and outros and very much appreciate the outro music in this one.
Thanks for making this vid. Been waiting a while for this
"... You tell me why she hated this guy?"
I have a theory!
So in the first film, Rachel had a daughter, Jojo. Interestingly, there was no husband in that film. Me thinks, that Rachel had a divorce which led to her developing a comical distrust towards men in general. After her breakup, Tom met her sister, Maddie, and Rachel believed Tom to be no good just like her ex. She arrogantly holds onto that belief, completely ignoring how Tom and Maddie are actually really good together.
However, the b plot is her marrying another guy. Which, sadly, is a wrinkle in my theory.
My favorite Sonic games are:
Sonic Adventure 1 & 2
18:23 In addition to the backpack sin there was also a Tails logo patch sewn on the backpack too, that’s another way you can see who it actually belongs to.
I still think that the sonic movies don't need licensed music, we already have live and learn we don't need music that the internet will forget in the next 3 years
Oh HELL no! Jeremy did NOT just call Super Sonic Ray the Flying Squirrel
I've been watching Birdman since I discovered him. I watched cinema sins when it first became a channel and got sick of it. Let's just say, Birdman was a perfecto find. Keep doing you man. I know this is like a thousand videos in, but I'm at work and I barely comment on RUclips videos. Long story short, thank you for your content.
Video Idea: “Everything Wrong with Cinema Sins: The Peanuts Movie.”
Smooth Mcgroove at the end, I approve of this video.
2:38
The real sin is the fact Commercial Sins exists in the first place
I like to believe that the only reason the wedding subplot was here was because the movie wanted to remind us that G.U.N. existed and that they would have a more important role in the third movie.
5:42 THANK YOU FOR FINALLY SAYING THIS OMFG
Another rebuttal to that "put the next part HERE" sin: More layers of security is never a bad thing, especially when the thing being secured is something that took the damn Justice League expy to shut down in the first place.
I think there should've been a few extra points over him roasting my man Ray.
11:25 and 3: Tails is not only a kid but also younger than Sonic.
22:41 realest characterization of tails ever
15:59 Erm acksually, Sonic couldn’t hang onto Tails until Sonic 3 🤓
I love these videos. I'm a huge Sonic fan and seeing Jeremy try and put these very well made and incredible movies down like this just makes me laugh. I'm absolutely convinced he's never played a single one of the Sonic games in his life. That said, keep up the good work dude. Your videos are incredible.
P.S. I don't know about anyone else, but in the third movie, I would love to see 3 characters. Amy, Shadow and Metal Sonic.