guys sorry for the sounds again! would it help if I fixed the automated captions so you can watch muted and read captions? LOL or I might just do a separate video (thoughts?) - would like some feedback if you have some~
Cheap Lazy Vegan would love a separate video as the topics you talk about in this video sound interesting and I’d love to hear more of your thoughts ❤️
@@ellaoreo9338 I agree Ella!!! Rose, please dedicate a whole video to this if you have the possibility and the time. I love all of your philosophical/ethical/sociological talks and I will try to share this one with my partner, to show him a balanced, happy, kind vegan who doesn't feel the need to dilute one bit of her ethics (because I'm not one, lol, so angry all the time despite not being a "new" vegan anymore, this way I'm always too angry to say anything). Btw your activism on every level is very appreciated and it's helping me understand and expand. So thankful for you Rose!
When the eating sounds are less annoying, it's okay (but I wish you could mute all eating sounds). I'm probably too sensitive to eating sounds, and I watch anyway. So what does that say about me?! Separate videos where you talk about different themes would probably suit me more.
I was an ex-vegan for a few years. I first went vegan (for ethical reasons) back in college and did it for 4 years. Then I had a really bad relapse into my eating disorder, which I thought I had been recovered from. Plenty of people don’t get it and judge me for having to quit veganism, but it was necessary. It’s really hard to follow any sort of restrictive diet when you are in ED recovery, even if you think you are doing it for thieves right reasons. Even when I couldn’t maintain being fully vegan I still cooked vegetarian/vegan food all the time and wouldn’t use products tested on animals because it still mattered to me. Now that I am in a better place mentally and have a better relationship with food I have embraced being vegan again. Plenty of vegans on the internet have criticized me for failing at veganism in the past, but screw them. You can’t save any animals if you are sick and can’t even take care of yourself.
People who obsess over and attack people with legitimate health/mental health conditions that are out of their control are ridiculous. Just tell them to f*&k off lol.
Thanks for sharing your story! I definitely agree that it's so important to be in the right space physically and mentally to embrace a vegan lifestyle - it's amazing that you went back to being vegan and you went through all of that! Congrats on all the things you've overcome
I legit had the same issue omg. I just couldn’t get enough calories eating vegan in recovery so I started to eat eggs and cheese again but even that wasn’t working for my recovery and i wasn’t able to get to a healthy weight so I had meat for like a month. It was really upsetting because it went against my beliefs, but the shame from other vegans was unbelievable
Quick suggestion from a social and health psychology student on how to encourage people to stay/become vegan, act pro environmentally, buy ethically, etc: do not by any means shame, induce guilt or fear in people that are not behaving in line with your moral standards. Many studies have shown that inducing fear can actually have a reverse effect, in a sense that people could deny the risk, become defensive, allocate less attention to the topic, etc. Instead, try and make them feel like they are capable of performing that action, show them how a collective action is making an impact, explain why it is relevant to their lives, etc. :)
For a lot of people, I think the hardest part of going and staying vegan is the social part, not the food. We all want to feel integrated, and being vegan can get us ostracized. For many vegans (myself included), when we first went vegan, we were not met with support from friends and family. Many of us were met hostility when we told them about the lifestyle change, then experienced our relationships breaking down. That can leave many of us feeling alone. I think the fear of being a social outcast can cause us to go against our morals. I think most people are good people, but also very fear driven. That's why doing the right thing can be so hard. I once heard an interview with Colleen Patrick-Goudreau, that many ex-vegans are interested in returning to being vegan. I think we need to be mindful of that, and encourage them to come back, rather than make a blanket statement that all ex-vegans were never vegan.
totally agree with you ! i think it's important to really listen to peoples' concerns and try not to just point fingers saying "you were never vegan". It's definitely easy to be disappointed but we should try our best to be understanding ~
@@CheapLazyVegan i agree with you. Veganism is growing, so as more people choose veganism, I think people will feel less singled out and less pressured to quit. I also think giving people information on how to manage their relationships will help people to stay vegan. Both Melanie Joy and Colleen Patrick-Goudreau have information on that.
I appreciate your compassionate viewpoint! I will say though that all ex vegans i've seen, been around, listened too, (myself included), had tangible and medically proven health problems due to being vegan, and were able to reverse those health problems when they stopped being vegan. So I don't think it's social pressure, I think it's 95% of the time health related. Many ex vegans could care less about social pressure, if anything, there's more social pressure to stay vegan as they recieve the most harsh and abundant backlash from the vegan community. I was vegan for 7 years and truly never cared about what others thought. I never enjoyed eating at restaurants anyways, and still don't ever eat 'socially,' or at restaurants. So let's not ignore the main reason people no longer can be vegan, which is health related issues.
I was an ex-vegan (fell off the wagon and started eating eggs and dairy again) who went vegan again. I actually made a video about this that is coming out this Wednesday. It’s about what led me to falling off and how I came back to veganism. What no one talks about with veganism is that you have to connect to the ethics to go vegan, but also to STAY vegan. If you neglect your ethics, there are too many forces going against veganism in society and depending on what you’re going through mentally, those messages may eventually wear you down. Going against the grain of society takes up keep. It’s an interesting topic for sure. Great video, Rose! For those of you who are interested, here is the video. ruclips.net/video/NTToH2ae7KM/видео.html
@@TheTastyVegan Absolutely. That's one of the points I make in my video: Find out why you fell off so that you can prevent it in the future. Knowledge is power
Milgrim exper... you got it. THIS IS LONG, but might be of interest. I teach Intro psych, and people are always shocked at our obedience to authority, deferment of responsibility and social conformity. We are REALLY reluctant to look out of place. There are more modern studies that show that people won't necessarily leave a room filing with smoke, if no one else does. (obv. non lethal for the exp, but participants don't know that.) In other words, some people would rather DIE than cause a scene. :O !! On the upside, other studies show that if even ONE OTHER person steps in to help, or makes a fuss, others immediately jump in. Also, when alone, people will help, since there's no one else to defer to. re: Milgrim as well, not everyone went along with it to a "lethal" level. Most didn't. But 30% or so did. This stunned people, since Americans were at that time, highly critical of German citizens who stayed silent during Nazi terrors, but when they were shown many of them (the Americans) wouldn't speak up - mind you- much less pressure simply disobeying an experimenter too- they had to learn many of us are afraid to go against authority. This is a hard wired evolutionary trait that we need to actively shut off when we know morally, the authority is wrong. But this is very hard to do. So while German citizens absolutely should've done more (and some did! ), we shouldn't be so quick to point fingers. In those experiments, people were afraid to harm another, but MORE afraid in some cases to disobey authority- even knowing nothing would happen to them. So imagine if their family was also threatened with death, as was the worry of German citizens, and see how likely people are to look away. It's a complex issue. and MUCH easier to ignore suffering of animals you'll never see, sadly.
wow thank you so much for sharing ! So interesting to hear from a psych teacher - and it's so important to understand our own psychology so we can know how to approach vegan activism. It's easy to judge others but we don't know what we would do in a given situation - we are all human and flawed, after all.
The topic was good, but the sounds were too intense. Would you talk about this topic again? You're very insightful and it's always a pleasure to listen to your point of view.
Don’t worry about it I think that you are really clever and only jealous people want to make you feel smalll and if you make lots of comments it’s because you are engaging innit
This is SUCH a good topic! I hope the sound issues don't deter people from watching it. Just lower the volume! This reminds me of the artist who stood for 6 hours and let people do whatever they wanted to her. It was in the 70's and pretty horrible. I agree with you 100%.
Also I read a study about how you should introduce veganism to non-vegans, when you try to guilt trip someone, in most cases they're going to reject the idea more because they feel accused and the first reaction is defence. So my route now is to say that most importantly I'm vegan because of ethical reasons, but then I try to include fun things as well eg.: how much I love to cook now and experiment with spices and receipts, I'm recommending restaurants, talking about how much my health changed since going vegan, and I'm hoping that maybe something is planted in their heads and in time they'll be able to look into the ethics as well and join us in veganism.
For me I kept falling on and off food wise with being vegan because of severe IBS and sensory issues. It took me years to figure out how to eat a fully plant based diet sustainably. Philosophically in my mind I’ve always been vegan though; I always did my very best to avoid animal products. I find these discussions awkward because people with rare legitimate conditions seem to get shamed or told they don’t exist rather than helped.
@@rebeccar.9985 I'd be happy to try and help. Please bare in mind though that what might work for me might not work for another person. I followed a low fodmap diet for a while and then reintroduced foods with different types of fodmaps; I discovered that it was oligosaccharides that were giving me problems, which many bean products have, except for extra firm tofu and pre-soaked/canned lentils. Seitan, hemp seeds, quinoa and buckwheat pasta are also good protein and carb sources that are low in oligosaccharides.
@@rebeccar.9985 Bare in mind also that since I have IBS and not IBD, I probably have less problems with fibre as long as I'm drinking enough water. My main issue is the type of FODMAPS in fibrous foods. For example quinoa is low in FODMAPS, but high in fibre.
@@rebeccar.9985 I downloaded the app FODMAP A to Z off the apple App Store and have found that very helpful. The girl who runs TheWildGut project uses a different app I believe. You'll have to watch her channel for more information. TheFairlyLocalFamily is also a good source (although I've heard that her older videos can be problematic for people for IBD, so it may be best to stick to her more recent videos). She managed to achieve remission while following a plant based diet.
I have had psoriasis for about five years. I cure my self on a paleo diet. With a bone both cleanse. Very “clean Organic diet”. I hated it. I became Vegetarian for a year. It slowly came back and then became Vegan.I made the ethical connection. I was cured again.I was on a plant based diet. I started to have more fun and get out a little more. I drank alcohol and ate a lot of vegan processed food. I have food triggers and did not realize it. I took medication and it went away. This medication made me so hungry. Family and dining out made this happened. I started to eat cheese again because dominoes Pizza delivers. Gain weight because I had loved Blue cheese.The pandemic happened and I could no longer take the meds because it lowered my immune system. My psoriasis came back with Avengeance.I live in Florida. LOL. I have the ethical connection again. My disease is not fully cured but I am now ok with who I am. It was a journey. I just wanted it off my body. Now I am in a better place and I owe it to Veganism. Please do not hate on me. I just wanted it off my body.
THANK YOU! Your commentary is always so insightful. I hear vegans say all the time that ex-vegans were "never vegan" and that it's easy to be vegan, and the exclusive attitude is really offputting. Our culture makes it really difficult to stay vegan - we're social animals and the draw of conformity and convenience is strong. I think we should be able to be transparent about this while still encouraging the most ethical choices we can. Not being honest about the difficulties of being vegan probably leads more people to go back to their old habits.
Leading by example is how you keep people from being ex vegans. Also, people with channels like yours you help a lot. Just watching other vegans cook delicious food helps to stay excited to try new things and see how many different things you can make.
First I thought I wouldn't agree with you (because I sometimes say, out of 'anger', to myself "Oh he/she was never vegan!!" when I see someone going back to eating meat or whatever), but that changed while watching the video :) I agree that there is no point to attack a ex vegan or say hurtful stuff. I'm glad I never did that. But I can see the other side. People are just disappointed to see a vegan go, which is understandeble. ESPECIALLY if that person was a social media influencer who made a lot of money for promoting a vegan/healthy plantbased lifestyle. I hope that veganism wil grow way bigger in the next 10 years, so people won't feel that big of a social pressure.
I went vegan overnight while watching a doccie. While it was very empowering because I made a decision that went against the norm. 3 months later I was burnt out I constantly had to look for new recipes and scrutinized every label. I reevaluated why I went vegan and spoke to a colleague who is an ovo vegetarian. She at one point was into eating organic and also scrutinized the food that she was eating, it came to a point where she felt like she couldn't eat or enjoy food if it wasn't organic, shortly after that she became more lax. After that conversation I also started relaxing and while I do eat honey (locally produced from a small beekeeper) dairy and fish, almost 98% of my meals are vegan. I also don't buy leather unless its at goodwill nor use products tested on animals. At the end of the day you also have to do what works for you. I don't see the point of being vegan but miserable.
It’s interesting, I’ve actually seen a similar argument made. There are some Christians (particularly those that consider themselves evangelical, I find) whom I’ve heard brush off people who leave their Church or Christianity in general. I’ve heard exactly the same thing certain vegans say about ex-vegans: if you’ve left Christianity, you couldn’t have truly been Christian in the first place. I think those of us who have strongly held beliefs and ethics, it’s easy to fall into thinking that our beliefs are so obviously right and correct, that if someone leaves our belief system, they can’t truly have believed in the first place. Because how could a true believer just stop believing? I’m sure it happens in other communities too. That’s just one parallel that popped into mind.
I’m so grateful that you are so open to this topic! I’ve been an “ex-vegan” twice in my life (currently vegan for two years straight now, and don’t want to go back anytime soon). I just wanted to highlight that becoming an ex vegan can be the right choice for difficult situations. For example, the first time I had to go back to eating meat was when I was in recovery for an eating disorder. I realized that I had been justifying my fear for eating in front of others by just saying there were no options for me (keep in mind this was almost 4 years ago, so there was no impossible whopper or beyond burgers anywhere). I felt it was so important for me to be able to eat anywhere to get over my fear, and thankfully, it worked. Anyways, the second time I had quit was fully due to convenience and my own laziness. Regardless, I shortly realized I was selfish. All in all, i think it is so important that we realize that some people are not mentally or monetarily privileged to stay vegan! If I had been met with anger or hatred for taking a pause, I don’t know if I would have ever gone back. But I am so grateful today that I did!
@@Scrappicat that's a good idea! i usually listen to her videos, though, without really watching. i'll let it play through on mute though so it helps her out (i think that makes a difference anyway)
I really dislike when vegans use the term "plant-based" as an insult or in a condescending way. Similar/related - I really hate when vegans tell other people who identify as vegan that they are not vegan because of some minor philosophical difference or because of a "slip." I think one big, important way we can help prevent more people from identifying as "ex-vegan" is to *stop thinking of veganism as a switch we can turn on and off* and to encourage others (especially those who are struggling or those newly identifying as "ex-vegan") to stop thinking of it this way too. I am not religious, but for the sake of comparing approaches to a lapse - veganism is a philosophy, as Christianity is a philosophy. If someone who identifies as christian betrays the christian philosophy with their behavior - commits sin - do they now consider themselves an "ex-christian?" Do adherent followers of christian philosophy gang up to tell them they are "ex-christian" or were never christian to begin with? No! They forgive them, encourage the sinner to return to christian behavior, and offer support to help them if need be. We need to encourage people to hold onto their identity as a vegan, because we are far more accountable to the groups we see ourselves as belonging to. I once literally had a vegan tell me I should go back to eating meat because I wasn't vegan enough (while debating moral gray areas of veganism). *We need to want justice for animals more than we want moral superiority over others.*
I’ve never seen any vegan encourage animal product consumption this way. Hopefully that person was a tiny minority. Personally I think most people take offense at ex-vegans who specifically come out as ex-vegans and encourage other people to be complacent about their participation in the animal holocaust as well. I kind of wish that someone would actually be honest about their reasons for eating animals again because usually it’s social pressure and burn out. Not that they wouldn’t get flack regardless, but I know that I for one am annoyed at the dishonest excuses used to save face.
Erin Froehlich This is a great example. Saying someone was never vegan does nothing to encourage them to come back to it. Old conditioning does die hard and takes a lot of slip ups until you finally unlearn it sometimes.
I totally agree with you! I like that you always take into account the systemic and social reasons instead of just blaming individuals. But also, I believe a lot of people go against their ethics often because it's just easier. That can mean going against their ideology, not doing their best in order to achieve an ethical consumption... at the end we can encourage each other to do our best under our circumstances, being all negative doesn't do much
"This is like proven, scientifically proven that human beings are actually not very good people, okay" lol love this! Great topic! I honestly don't know what I am. I claim both because I do not eat animals or use food that contain it but I'm way to poor to buy the vegan clothes and shoes. I don't care how I'm labeled but I know I'm doing way better by not eating animals. And also I came into veganism for my health and later, the animals.
You know, I was always one to say that people were never vegan if they start hurting animals again.. but I appreciate your perspective and explanation, bringing in the psychology of it. I definitely learned something new from this, thank you :)
Being vegan has made me a lot more cynical as well. I felt like as soon as people heard the realities of factory farms they would go vegan same as I did. Wow was I wrong. I became so bitter towards the people in my life and even grew to hate a lot of people. I still will never understand knowing the truth and not going vegan. That being said my partner is a meat eater. Due to medical reasons neither of us can have children and that's the reason we have not split up. I could not raise a child with a non-vegan. We have had many discussions about veganism and he knows the truth but also feels like that's how it is and he feels like animals are here for us as food. He is a wonderful man otherwise who would do anything for anybody. But we just agree to disagree about this. He respects my views and says he is proud of me for sticking with it. I have been vegan for 18 years and that will never change for me.
It's sad that such a good video (I really appreciated your insight) will not be watched by many due to erroneous mic settings :( Btw love your little squeals of joy when you ingest a morsel, made me feel like I was eating it :)
I’ve seen this in your comments before but I agree with it, you definitely have helped me see that veganism is actually pretty doable, I dabbled in it for a couple of years just dipping my toes in different vegan recipes and options but i had to dive deeper due to a dairy intolerance. But it does get hard in social setting or when others are cooking. That’s where I always hit a block and it raises the question for me, would it in turn be unethical if this food went to waste even though it’s not in my diet restrictions. Physically, I can eat it, if I don’t eat it it will get thrown away. Did this animal die for nothing then? I have a hard time with the two but admittedly I lean towards “this is just going to go to waste if I don’t and I am hungry”
I agree with you. Even though I consider myself ethically vegan for 4-5 years, when I wasn't reminding myself of the reasons, I loosened up a bit sometimes. I agree with a lot of what radical vegans say, except on this part. It's called the "no true irishman fallacy". But I think it is good to make a clear separation between plant-based and vegan. But it is difficult because a lot of people do not connect strongly with animal abuse. So I think it is good to encourage people to continue informing themselves and make the connection with animals again and again. I don't think it is about positive associations though, just connecting with the horrors of slaughterhouses, of were meat comes from. When I informed myself again, I decided I shouldn't let this happen again and started doing vegan activism. I was convinced by seeing the workshop from Anonymous for the Voiceless, that it is possible to convince people because basically veganism is a very simple principle. That made me hopeful again and not complacent and cynical anymore. People need to be confronted directly with their contradictions. I advise everybody to check it out and do activism. The more activist, the quicker we get a vegan world.
I agree with what you're saying so so much! I live in Norway and the meat/cheese/fish culture here is quite strong, people hunt etc. And I have gone between vegan and vegetarian several times just so it's easier for me to eat out/with friends or family. I feel horrible of course whenever I'm not vegan, but sometimes the social pressures are just super hard. I always feel like a burden in my family etc.
It's definitely a challenge socially, Esp depending on where you live and who you are surrounded by. Hopefully more people in Norway will look into this lifestyle ❤️
I'm so glad to hear someone agree about the vegan thing. Just because you leave veganism, it DOES NOT mean you were never vegan. Sometimes things just don't work out anymore & people have to change.
Dear vegan people have you tried marmite it’s a yeast extract spread that is very salty and nice on toast with margarine and spread very very thin it’s full of b vitamins and very full of flavour but I don’t know if it is available anywhere other than Britain 🇬🇧
For some reason, you're the only person I could listen to eating like that. 😆😅😂 I agree with you about the topic of non-vegans ... Not everything is so black and white. And I was one of those people who used to say that all non-vegans are plant-based. But I see your points, very good points. P.S. I guess I don't mind standing out no matter how others behave around me.
Rose! Thanks for sharing your opinion on ex-vegans. We shouldn't shame anyone for their choices. We should show support for anyone trying to understand veganism and perhaps that will encourage people to give it a try. Does the "perfect vegan" truly exist? And do they have the authority to speak for all vegans in a community? Nah fam, do what you know is right for you. Your vegan and/or plant-based journey is your choice.
They made a movie about that experiment, called "The Experiment". To my knowledge it wasn't heavily advertised but I found it on Netflix once when I was looking for "The Stanford Prison Experiment". "The Stanford Prison Experiment" wasn't on Netflix but ",The Experiment" showed up as a suggestion. Not sure if it's still there but it was an interesting movie.
I totally agree that social pressure is the hardest part about being vegan and can see how that would be a huge reason people leave. I also agree that more vegans = a better vegan life (look at how many more vegan options we’ve gotten in the past few years for one thing) and because of that I just don’t understand how calling someone out and telling them they’re “not vegan, only plant based” could be a good thing for the movement? The more vegans the better! A huge influence on me becoming vegan was a RUclipsr named Kalyn Nicholson, she has identified as vegan for years and recently she called herself “plant based” stating that she “was reading her comments” meaning that she had people criticizing her for whatever reason. This is vegans PUSHING a huge vegan figure out of their community who could have lead literally millions of her followers to a vegan lifestyle. It just absolutely makes no sense and I’m so glad you brought this up, thank you for always being honest and not being afraid of what the vegan internet will say about your point of view, it’s so refreshing ❤️
Omg leave it the way it is lol! Honestly, these days my favourite way to take in serious information and discussions is with a good dose of humour because laughter is such good medicine especially in these times. This video had me like 🧐😂🤔🤣
The social experiment you were referring to (I think) was for shorter and longer lines, one was clearly longer or shorter but the participant would answer the wrong one in order to fit in. Also there is an experiment with facing the wrong way in an elevator, all people facing one of the walls instead of the door. People going in would face the same way as the others in the elevator.
I couldn't watch much of the video because of the eating sounds but what I did hear made me feel better about my vegan yo-yo. I first went vegan from 2016-2017 after watching a couple of documentaries that showed the brutal reality of factory farming and the harm that animal products can do to the human body. That change was met with A LOT of backlash from my family, friends and partner. I stuck to my guns for about a year, then I switched to vegetarian for 6 months but ultimately decided I was tired of going against the current and started consuming meat too. I was still conscious of the effects of that choice and I tried to make ecologically conscious decisions when I could, but it was really difficult for me to be vegan while living in the Midwest and cooking for an Omni partner who refused to eat vegan with me when I cooked. So for another two years I was fully Omni but I would have that little voice in the back of my head reminding me that I was eating corpses and that I was contributing to cruelty and global warming. I felt so guilty but I kept pushing it aside and going on with that lifestyle because it was easier. I didn't have to stress about menus when I went out to eat or make sure I could cook two meals at dinner time or be the person that people question constantly about veganism. Thankfully I came back to reality and have been vegan since September 2019 but I'd be lying if I said I didn't still struggle with the choice. Its easier now with meat substitutes at most restaurants and I can generally enjoy some kind of meal when I go to restaurants with omni's but I still get bombarded with questions and comments, as if my food is the weird stuff. Long tangent, but anyway, thank you, Rose for the video. I look forward to more conversations like this!
I made the ethical connection and was actually vegan for 2.5 years. I was extremely passionate and even copped your recipe book lol. I can't say that I have a legitimate argument against veganism, obviously. I may go back to the dark side one of these days..😶
I think one of the reasons people quit veganism is that they have unrealistic expectations going in. Some people are under the impression that going vegan would solve all of their health problems and help them get in shape. When they don't see earth shattering results they simply quit. The vegan life style can be very healthy if you're active, include all food groups in your diet , watch your sugar intake etc, but some influencers tend to oversell the benefits and it can backfire.
I think the reason people respond to ex vegans with the “then you were only plant based” is more so because the vegan community feels hurt. We are hurt that someone who truly understood the cause would just give it up. Because most people don’t understand the cause. And in our minds, we think “well once someone can truly understand veganism and make the ethical connection, then they will be vegan.” And it is hard to accept that that is not the case. The other thing, like you said, people do suck. So people who consciously make the decision to not be vegan after being an ethical vegan suck (I’m sorry). I get there are health reasons etc, so there MAY be exceptions, but it’s case by case. And the pain and anger that the vegan community feels when someone leaves us, drives us to say these type of things to ex vegans to show them the hurt they have put us through.
I love how extremely dark you got at the end and still left some room for hope. 🤣 You get a like for that contrast and the amazing-looking green pasta with pesto.🤤😋
I stopped watching because of the eating sounds (which usually don't bother me but they were really loud here, you were not kidding). Came back a week later, powered through and muted sound when you took bites. It's such a shame because you have so much wisdom to offer the world, I relate so much to everything you've said. I love everything you do, you're an inspiration to us all.
I love eating noises bc I'm a freak, but I'm sure those who do not appreciate your warning, lol. I have soy curls too, but I keep making seitan so I'm tempted away from them by that. I need to buckle down and just do something simple with them like this.
You brought up a very interesting subject that has a lot of variables for the explanation of why people stop living a vegan lifestyle. There are just so many reasons why people stop. Jon Venus basically stop because it appeared that maybe he had some pressure from family. Maybe we'll never know. That's all I'm going to say, because it'll get too long if I keep waiting. I do however basically think that at some point somebody truly was vegan if they were living a vegan lifestyle. They were when they did then they decided not to let that my style for whatever reason.
Agree the Jon Venus had pressure from family. I still don’t get it though. Nobody could pressure me into anything especially eating animals.Now he’s a hunter 🙄🙄🙄 it’s infuriating honestly. And I will just say it, if you can go from a proud “vegan” to hunter, you were never vegan to begin with. How can you take an animal’s life like that and chop it up and eat it and claim that you love or care about animals??
Hi! So, I didn’t mind the sounds tbh. The video and your thoughts were very interesting and I agree with basically everything you said. 😂 also... I don’t know WHAT it is.... but I love watching you eat 😅🙈😍 I really enjoy your videos in general because you seem to be very honest and authentic and that’s quite rare. So keep punter work and I’m looking forward to the upcoming videos - including (which I would like a lot) some mukbangs with vegan topics you’d discuss. Greetings from Germany to (my favourite country) Canada ❤️
Thank you for your videos....I just like to explore and see what is healthy for me as a person. One week I maybe eat vegan and next week I may switch to original diet. It depends on what's available and what I can afford.
Not all vegans become vegan because of the ethics. A lot of ppl do it for health or wanting to lose weight. And in my opinion, most vegans aren't ethical. They don't eat meat or may not use products made from animal products, but they still eat heart of palm or eat products with palm oil which is HORRIBLE for animals. Even if it's "sustainably sourced" at some point those fields had animals living there, so I don't buy it. Also, people sometimes can't continue a vegan diet bc of health reasons. I think ppl should just worry about themselves and model veganism through their behavior instead of judging ppl for not being vegan or quitting.
Rose, Using two words in a sentence that have the same or similar meaning is called Tautological. So for example 'free gift', all gifts are free so why say it is a 'free' gift? Have you ever had to pay for a gift?
I think the problem is that a lot of the vegan community has this sense of superiority. “They’ve reached this ethical epiphany” and fail to neglect and to see that sometimes veganism is not always obtainable. I went vegetarian four years ago, and since then I have gone vegan multiply times, every time I feel amazing, but towards the end I’ll admit I don’t stay on top of my nutrition like I should, (because life and I’m human) so I go back to consuming dairy and eggs (which I get from my mothers farm). I always feel guilty when I start eating eggs and dairy again, but at the end of the day I believe people should do the best they can in whatever circumstance they’re in. I think it’s dumb to say someone was never vegan simply because they stopped living that way, it’s like saying someone was never religious because they stopped going to their church. Just because you stopped following a certain lifestyle that doesn’t mean you never “made the connection.” I hope that makes sense.🙈
guys sorry for the sounds again! would it help if I fixed the automated captions so you can watch muted and read captions? LOL or I might just do a separate video (thoughts?) - would like some feedback if you have some~
Cheap Lazy Vegan would love a separate video as the topics you talk about in this video sound interesting and I’d love to hear more of your thoughts ❤️
Just don’t turn the mic up so high. I’m no expert at this but some videos are okay and some, like this one, are just way too loud.
@@ellaoreo9338 I agree Ella!!! Rose, please dedicate a whole video to this if you have the possibility and the time. I love all of your philosophical/ethical/sociological talks and I will try to share this one with my partner, to show him a balanced, happy, kind vegan who doesn't feel the need to dilute one bit of her ethics (because I'm not one, lol, so angry all the time despite not being a "new" vegan anymore, this way I'm always too angry to say anything). Btw your activism on every level is very appreciated and it's helping me understand and expand. So thankful for you Rose!
When the eating sounds are less annoying, it's okay (but I wish you could mute all eating sounds). I'm probably too sensitive to eating sounds, and I watch anyway. So what does that say about me?! Separate videos where you talk about different themes would probably suit me more.
Hey don't make more work for yourself if you don't need to! Maybe just bring it up in your next mukbang if you feel inclined.
I was an ex-vegan for a few years. I first went vegan (for ethical reasons) back in college and did it for 4 years. Then I had a really bad relapse into my eating disorder, which I thought I had been recovered from. Plenty of people don’t get it and judge me for having to quit veganism, but it was necessary. It’s really hard to follow any sort of restrictive diet when you are in ED recovery, even if you think you are doing it for thieves right reasons. Even when I couldn’t maintain being fully vegan I still cooked vegetarian/vegan food all the time and wouldn’t use products tested on animals because it still mattered to me. Now that I am in a better place mentally and have a better relationship with food I have embraced being vegan again. Plenty of vegans on the internet have criticized me for failing at veganism in the past, but screw them. You can’t save any animals if you are sick and can’t even take care of yourself.
People who obsess over and attack people with legitimate health/mental health conditions that are out of their control are ridiculous. Just tell them to f*&k off lol.
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I agree with you 100%♥️
Thanks for sharing your story! I definitely agree that it's so important to be in the right space physically and mentally to embrace a vegan lifestyle - it's amazing that you went back to being vegan and you went through all of that! Congrats on all the things you've overcome
I legit had the same issue omg. I just couldn’t get enough calories eating vegan in recovery so I started to eat eggs and cheese again but even that wasn’t working for my recovery and i wasn’t able to get to a healthy weight so I had meat for like a month. It was really upsetting because it went against my beliefs, but the shame from other vegans was unbelievable
Quick suggestion from a social and health psychology student on how to encourage people to stay/become vegan, act pro environmentally, buy ethically, etc: do not by any means shame, induce guilt or fear in people that are not behaving in line with your moral standards. Many studies have shown that inducing fear can actually have a reverse effect, in a sense that people could deny the risk, become defensive, allocate less attention to the topic, etc. Instead, try and make them feel like they are capable of performing that action, show them how a collective action is making an impact, explain why it is relevant to their lives, etc. :)
Please tell this to freelee
Feeling guilty is actually what made me go vegan soooo this is not true for everyone
For a lot of people, I think the hardest part of going and staying vegan is the social part, not the food. We all want to feel integrated, and being vegan can get us ostracized. For many vegans (myself included), when we first went vegan, we were not met with support from friends and family. Many of us were met hostility when we told them about the lifestyle change, then experienced our relationships breaking down. That can leave many of us feeling alone. I think the fear of being a social outcast can cause us to go against our morals. I think most people are good people, but also very fear driven. That's why doing the right thing can be so hard.
I once heard an interview with Colleen Patrick-Goudreau, that many ex-vegans are interested in returning to being vegan. I think we need to be mindful of that, and encourage them to come back, rather than make a blanket statement that all ex-vegans were never vegan.
I'm also scared of coming across judgemental
@@zakrowe1301 same. I think many of us are afraid of being disliked, and let that get in the way of doing what is right.
totally agree with you ! i think it's important to really listen to peoples' concerns and try not to just point fingers saying "you were never vegan". It's definitely easy to be disappointed but we should try our best to be understanding ~
@@CheapLazyVegan i agree with you. Veganism is growing, so as more people choose veganism, I think people will feel less singled out and less pressured to quit. I also think giving people information on how to manage their relationships will help people to stay vegan. Both Melanie Joy and Colleen Patrick-Goudreau have information on that.
I appreciate your compassionate viewpoint! I will say though that all ex vegans i've seen, been around, listened too, (myself included), had tangible and medically proven health problems due to being vegan, and were able to reverse those health problems when they stopped being vegan. So I don't think it's social pressure, I think it's 95% of the time health related. Many ex vegans could care less about social pressure, if anything, there's more social pressure to stay vegan as they recieve the most harsh and abundant backlash from the vegan community. I was vegan for 7 years and truly never cared about what others thought. I never enjoyed eating at restaurants anyways, and still don't ever eat 'socially,' or at restaurants. So let's not ignore the main reason people no longer can be vegan, which is health related issues.
i might be the only one here who doesn't mind the eating sounds 😂
You’re not the only one lol
Lol! I know! They kind of make me hungry
Hahaha I'm glad you enjoy ❤️
I don’t mind them either! As a matter of fact I had to fix myself a sandwich whilst listening. 😄🤪😋😄
It doesn't bother me either! I usually am watching Rose's videos whilst having lunch, so it's like I'm eating with a friend😁
I was an ex-vegan (fell off the wagon and started eating eggs and dairy again) who went vegan again. I actually made a video about this that is coming out this Wednesday. It’s about what led me to falling off and how I came back to veganism. What no one talks about with veganism is that you have to connect to the ethics to go vegan, but also to STAY vegan. If you neglect your ethics, there are too many forces going against veganism in society and depending on what you’re going through mentally, those messages may eventually wear you down. Going against the grain of society takes up keep. It’s an interesting topic for sure. Great video, Rose! For those of you who are interested, here is the video. ruclips.net/video/NTToH2ae7KM/видео.html
We can all make mistakes, what matters is you understand the WHY you’re doing this and you’ll naturally come back eventually 🤗🌱
@@TheTastyVegan Absolutely. That's one of the points I make in my video: Find out why you fell off so that you can prevent it in the future. Knowledge is power
Milgrim exper... you got it. THIS IS LONG, but might be of interest. I teach Intro psych, and people are always shocked at our obedience to authority, deferment of responsibility and social conformity. We are REALLY reluctant to look out of place. There are more modern studies that show that people won't necessarily leave a room filing with smoke, if no one else does. (obv. non lethal for the exp, but participants don't know that.) In other words, some people would rather DIE than cause a scene. :O !! On the upside, other studies show that if even ONE OTHER person steps in to help, or makes a fuss, others immediately jump in. Also, when alone, people will help, since there's no one else to defer to. re: Milgrim as well, not everyone went along with it to a "lethal" level. Most didn't. But 30% or so did. This stunned people, since Americans were at that time, highly critical of German citizens who stayed silent during Nazi terrors, but when they were shown many of them (the Americans) wouldn't speak up - mind you- much less pressure simply disobeying an experimenter too- they had to learn many of us are afraid to go against authority. This is a hard wired evolutionary trait that we need to actively shut off when we know morally, the authority is wrong. But this is very hard to do. So while German citizens absolutely should've done more (and some did! ), we shouldn't be so quick to point fingers. In those experiments, people were afraid to harm another, but MORE afraid in some cases to disobey authority- even knowing nothing would happen to them. So imagine if their family was also threatened with death, as was the worry of German citizens, and see how likely people are to look away. It's a complex issue. and MUCH easier to ignore suffering of animals you'll never see, sadly.
wow thank you so much for sharing ! So interesting to hear from a psych teacher - and it's so important to understand our own psychology so we can know how to approach vegan activism. It's easy to judge others but we don't know what we would do in a given situation - we are all human and flawed, after all.
@@CheapLazyVegan yes!! We like to think we're independent and heroic, and sometimes we are, but it's very difficult. Less judgement is needed.
The topic was good, but the sounds were too intense. Would you talk about this topic again? You're very insightful and it's always a pleasure to listen to your point of view.
I might do another video on this topic! thanks for the feedback !
Basil is so easy to grow! And it grows well in a window if you don't have a lot of space
Soy curls are actually so versatile, they just take in whatever flavor you put in them😋
I see your comments everywhere😂
Don’t worry about it I think that you are really clever and only jealous people want to make you feel smalll and if you make lots of comments it’s because you are engaging innit
Anže Bojc so????
This is SUCH a good topic! I hope the sound issues don't deter people from watching it. Just lower the volume! This reminds me of the artist who stood for 6 hours and let people do whatever they wanted to her. It was in the 70's and pretty horrible. I agree with you 100%.
thank you for watching ~ !
Also I read a study about how you should introduce veganism to non-vegans, when you try to guilt trip someone, in most cases they're going to reject the idea more because they feel accused and the first reaction is defence. So my route now is to say that most importantly I'm vegan because of ethical reasons, but then I try to include fun things as well eg.: how much I love to cook now and experiment with spices and receipts, I'm recommending restaurants, talking about how much my health changed since going vegan, and I'm hoping that maybe something is planted in their heads and in time they'll be able to look into the ethics as well and join us in veganism.
For me I kept falling on and off food wise with being vegan because of severe IBS and sensory issues. It took me years to figure out how to eat a fully plant based diet sustainably. Philosophically in my mind I’ve always been vegan though; I always did my very best to avoid animal products. I find these discussions awkward because people with rare legitimate conditions seem to get shamed or told they don’t exist rather than helped.
I have IBD (ulcerative colitis) and would be interested to hear your suggestions for eating plant based with IBS (if you wouldn't mind!)
@@rebeccar.9985 I'd be happy to try and help. Please bare in mind though that what might work for me might not work for another person. I followed a low fodmap diet for a while and then reintroduced foods with different types of fodmaps; I discovered that it was oligosaccharides that were giving me problems, which many bean products have, except for extra firm tofu and pre-soaked/canned lentils. Seitan, hemp seeds, quinoa and buckwheat pasta are also good protein and carb sources that are low in oligosaccharides.
@@rebeccar.9985 The youtube channel TheWildGut project has all sorts of useful advice.
@@rebeccar.9985 Bare in mind also that since I have IBS and not IBD, I probably have less problems with fibre as long as I'm drinking enough water. My main issue is the type of FODMAPS in fibrous foods. For example quinoa is low in FODMAPS, but high in fibre.
@@rebeccar.9985 I downloaded the app FODMAP A to Z off the apple App Store and have found that very helpful. The girl who runs TheWildGut project uses a different app I believe. You'll have to watch her channel for more information. TheFairlyLocalFamily is also a good source (although I've heard that her older videos can be problematic for people for IBD, so it may be best to stick to her more recent videos). She managed to achieve remission while following a plant based diet.
😂😂😂😂😂 4:40 oh god ... those chewing noises. How is it even possible for a mic not near your throat to pick up that much sound 😂😂
I have had psoriasis for about five years. I cure my self on a paleo diet. With a bone both cleanse. Very “clean Organic diet”. I hated it. I became Vegetarian for a year. It slowly came back and then became Vegan.I made the ethical connection. I was cured again.I was on a plant based diet. I started to have more fun and get out a little more. I drank alcohol and ate a lot of vegan processed food. I have food triggers and did not realize it. I took medication and it went away. This medication made me so hungry. Family and dining out made this happened. I started to eat cheese again because dominoes Pizza delivers. Gain weight because I had loved Blue cheese.The pandemic happened and I could no longer take the meds because it lowered my immune system. My psoriasis came back with Avengeance.I live in Florida. LOL. I have the ethical connection again. My disease is not fully cured but I am now ok with who I am. It was a journey. I just wanted it off my body. Now I am in a better place and I owe it to Veganism. Please do not hate on me. I just wanted it off my body.
THANK YOU! Your commentary is always so insightful. I hear vegans say all the time that ex-vegans were "never vegan" and that it's easy to be vegan, and the exclusive attitude is really offputting. Our culture makes it really difficult to stay vegan - we're social animals and the draw of conformity and convenience is strong. I think we should be able to be transparent about this while still encouraging the most ethical choices we can. Not being honest about the difficulties of being vegan probably leads more people to go back to their old habits.
Worth braving the sound for the ex-vegan insights. I think living a consistent life adds to your happiness
haha aww thanks for braving the sounds XD
Leading by example is how you keep people from being ex vegans. Also, people with channels like yours you help a lot. Just watching other vegans cook delicious food helps to stay excited to try new things and see how many different things you can make.
21:35 "Be a leader." I love this attitude.
First I thought I wouldn't agree with you (because I sometimes say, out of 'anger', to myself "Oh he/she was never vegan!!" when I see someone going back to eating meat or whatever), but that changed while watching the video :)
I agree that there is no point to attack a ex vegan or say hurtful stuff. I'm glad I never did that. But I can see the other side. People are just disappointed to see a vegan go, which is understandeble. ESPECIALLY if that person was a social media influencer who made a lot of money for promoting a vegan/healthy plantbased lifestyle.
I hope that veganism wil grow way bigger in the next 10 years, so people won't feel that big of a social pressure.
I went vegan overnight while watching a doccie. While it was very empowering because I made a decision that went against the norm. 3 months later I was burnt out I constantly had to look for new recipes and scrutinized every label. I reevaluated why I went vegan and spoke to a colleague who is an ovo vegetarian. She at one point was into eating organic and also scrutinized the food that she was eating, it came to a point where she felt like she couldn't eat or enjoy food if it wasn't organic, shortly after that she became more lax.
After that conversation I also started relaxing and while I do eat honey (locally produced from a small beekeeper) dairy and fish, almost 98% of my meals are vegan. I also don't buy leather unless its at goodwill nor use products tested on animals.
At the end of the day you also have to do what works for you. I don't see the point of being vegan but miserable.
It’s interesting, I’ve actually seen a similar argument made. There are some Christians (particularly those that consider themselves evangelical, I find) whom I’ve heard brush off people who leave their Church or Christianity in general. I’ve heard exactly the same thing certain vegans say about ex-vegans: if you’ve left Christianity, you couldn’t have truly been Christian in the first place.
I think those of us who have strongly held beliefs and ethics, it’s easy to fall into thinking that our beliefs are so obviously right and correct, that if someone leaves our belief system, they can’t truly have believed in the first place. Because how could a true believer just stop believing?
I’m sure it happens in other communities too. That’s just one parallel that popped into mind.
I’m so grateful that you are so open to this topic! I’ve been an “ex-vegan” twice in my life (currently vegan for two years straight now, and don’t want to go back anytime soon). I just wanted to highlight that becoming an ex vegan can be the right choice for difficult situations. For example, the first time I had to go back to eating meat was when I was in recovery for an eating disorder. I realized that I had been justifying my fear for eating in front of others by just saying there were no options for me (keep in mind this was almost 4 years ago, so there was no impossible whopper or beyond burgers anywhere). I felt it was so important for me to be able to eat anywhere to get over my fear, and thankfully, it worked. Anyways, the second time I had quit was fully due to convenience and my own laziness. Regardless, I shortly realized I was selfish. All in all, i think it is so important that we realize that some people are not mentally or monetarily privileged to stay vegan! If I had been met with anger or hatred for taking a pause, I don’t know if I would have ever gone back. But I am so grateful today that I did!
I'm sorry I can't watch, but I left a like!!
Yep I can’t watch either but gave it a like lol
You’re so awesome!
You could mute it and put the captions on.
@@Scrappicat that's a good idea! i usually listen to her videos, though, without really watching. i'll let it play through on mute though so it helps her out (i think that makes a difference anyway)
So which her standing for ex vegans or the part where the eating and talking
I love u 🌹 for your bluntness it’s killer vibe so bold 🥀... can I just say I’ve indulging in watching ur episodes.
I can’t with the enhanced eating sounds.
It’s the worst 😭😭😭. Love you, Rose 🥰😍🤗😘
I was already thinking of purchasing the bundle on my own, now I'm going to buy it thru your link. Supporting vegans
I really dislike when vegans use the term "plant-based" as an insult or in a condescending way. Similar/related - I really hate when vegans tell other people who identify as vegan that they are not vegan because of some minor philosophical difference or because of a "slip."
I think one big, important way we can help prevent more people from identifying as "ex-vegan" is to *stop thinking of veganism as a switch we can turn on and off* and to encourage others (especially those who are struggling or those newly identifying as "ex-vegan") to stop thinking of it this way too.
I am not religious, but for the sake of comparing approaches to a lapse - veganism is a philosophy, as Christianity is a philosophy. If someone who identifies as christian betrays the christian philosophy with their behavior - commits sin - do they now consider themselves an "ex-christian?" Do adherent followers of christian philosophy gang up to tell them they are "ex-christian" or were never christian to begin with? No! They forgive them, encourage the sinner to return to christian behavior, and offer support to help them if need be. We need to encourage people to hold onto their identity as a vegan, because we are far more accountable to the groups we see ourselves as belonging to.
I once literally had a vegan tell me I should go back to eating meat because I wasn't vegan enough (while debating moral gray areas of veganism). *We need to want justice for animals more than we want moral superiority over others.*
I’ve never seen any vegan encourage animal product consumption this way. Hopefully that person was a tiny minority. Personally I think most people take offense at ex-vegans who specifically come out as ex-vegans and encourage other people to be complacent about their participation in the animal holocaust as well. I kind of wish that someone would actually be honest about their reasons for eating animals again because usually it’s social pressure and burn out. Not that they wouldn’t get flack regardless, but I know that I for one am annoyed at the dishonest excuses used to save face.
Erin Froehlich This is a great example. Saying someone was never vegan does nothing to encourage them to come back to it. Old conditioning does die hard and takes a lot of slip ups until you finally unlearn it sometimes.
You make great points
Thanks for the insights, Rose. I knew about the Milgram experiment, but didn't connect it to veganism in that way before.
Holy ASMR Rose! I don’t care. The discussion was awesome! I love Mukbang Mondays! You make eating look so enjoyable 😊
Hahahaha holy ASMR indeed 😂😂😂😂
I totally agree with you! I like that you always take into account the systemic and social reasons instead of just blaming individuals. But also, I believe a lot of people go against their ethics often because it's just easier. That can mean going against their ideology, not doing their best in order to achieve an ethical consumption... at the end we can encourage each other to do our best under our circumstances, being all negative doesn't do much
Lmao it’s SO loud 😂😂😂😂
So I’m gonna watch, but until her first bite I didn’t realize how bad eating sounds could be (not her, just in general) 😨
The eating sounds are actually very asmr hehe I love it
You are very fun to watch! I made the Parmesan cheese from one of your previous videos and now I just wanna put it on everything!
"This is like proven, scientifically proven that human beings are actually not very good people, okay" lol love this! Great topic! I honestly don't know what I am. I claim both because I do not eat animals or use food that contain it but I'm way to poor to buy the vegan clothes and shoes. I don't care how I'm labeled but I know I'm doing way better by not eating animals. And also I came into veganism for my health and later, the animals.
Rose spitting straight factssssssssss
19:13 was the sassiest bite I’ve ever seen 😂 ❤️
You know, I was always one to say that people were never vegan if they start hurting animals again.. but I appreciate your perspective and explanation, bringing in the psychology of it. I definitely learned something new from this, thank you :)
Its human nature to eat animals. Veganism is a cult for the weak who want to de-evolve all for the sake of a chicken.
@@AliceRoche-ii2ke ok then triggered carnie LOL
@@alison9189 no such thing as a carnist hun.
Its a word vegans use to hate on normal people.
Being vegan has made me a lot more cynical as well. I felt like as soon as people heard the realities of factory farms they would go vegan same as I did. Wow was I wrong. I became so bitter towards the people in my life and even grew to hate a lot of people. I still will never understand knowing the truth and not going vegan. That being said my partner is a meat eater. Due to medical reasons neither of us can have children and that's the reason we have not split up. I could not raise a child with a non-vegan. We have had many discussions about veganism and he knows the truth but also feels like that's how it is and he feels like animals are here for us as food. He is a wonderful man otherwise who would do anything for anybody. But we just agree to disagree about this. He respects my views and says he is proud of me for sticking with it. I have been vegan for 18 years and that will never change for me.
It's sad that such a good video (I really appreciated your insight) will not be watched by many due to erroneous mic settings :( Btw love your little squeals of joy when you ingest a morsel, made me feel like I was eating it :)
This is probably the most fascinating video I ever seen fro you. It makes me think deeply about humanity and how we're not completely ethical.
Thank you!! It's a bit sad, isn't it
Cheap Lazy Vegan It is!! 😅.
I’ve seen this in your comments before but I agree with it, you definitely have helped me see that veganism is actually pretty doable, I dabbled in it for a couple of years just dipping my toes in different vegan recipes and options but i had to dive deeper due to a dairy intolerance. But it does get hard in social setting or when others are cooking. That’s where I always hit a block and it raises the question for me, would it in turn be unethical if this food went to waste even though it’s not in my diet restrictions. Physically, I can eat it, if I don’t eat it it will get thrown away. Did this animal die for nothing then? I have a hard time with the two but admittedly I lean towards “this is just going to go to waste if I don’t and I am hungry”
Love your perspective on these topics! ♡
Thank you!! ❤️
I agree with you. Even though I consider myself ethically vegan for 4-5 years, when I wasn't reminding myself of the reasons, I loosened up a bit sometimes. I agree with a lot of what radical vegans say, except on this part. It's called the "no true irishman fallacy". But I think it is good to make a clear separation between plant-based and vegan. But it is difficult because a lot of people do not connect strongly with animal abuse. So I think it is good to encourage people to continue informing themselves and make the connection with animals again and again. I don't think it is about positive associations though, just connecting with the horrors of slaughterhouses, of were meat comes from. When I informed myself again, I decided I shouldn't let this happen again and started doing vegan activism. I was convinced by seeing the workshop from Anonymous for the Voiceless, that it is possible to convince people because basically veganism is a very simple principle. That made me hopeful again and not complacent and cynical anymore. People need to be confronted directly with their contradictions. I advise everybody to check it out and do activism. The more activist, the quicker we get a vegan world.
I agree with what you're saying so so much! I live in Norway and the meat/cheese/fish culture here is quite strong, people hunt etc. And I have gone between vegan and vegetarian several times just so it's easier for me to eat out/with friends or family. I feel horrible of course whenever I'm not vegan, but sometimes the social pressures are just super hard. I always feel like a burden in my family etc.
It's definitely a challenge socially, Esp depending on where you live and who you are surrounded by. Hopefully more people in Norway will look into this lifestyle ❤️
I'm so glad to hear someone agree about the vegan thing. Just because you leave veganism, it DOES NOT mean you were never vegan. Sometimes things just don't work out anymore & people have to change.
Dear vegan people have you tried marmite it’s a yeast extract spread that is very salty and nice on toast with margarine and spread very very thin it’s full of b vitamins and very full of flavour but I don’t know if it is available anywhere other than Britain 🇬🇧
Oh we love it in South Africa too!
In French we have a word for the plant based diet it's "végétalisme" .
It sucks because it’s a great topic but I just can’t take the slurping 😭😭😭
For some reason, you're the only person I could listen to eating like that. 😆😅😂
I agree with you about the topic of non-vegans ... Not everything is so black and white. And I was one of those people who used to say that all non-vegans are plant-based. But I see your points, very good points.
P.S. I guess I don't mind standing out no matter how others behave around me.
Hi Rose. I live in Saskatoon. Where do you buy the soy curls?
I ordered some on Amazon :)
The sounds were terrible but I stuck with it because I really love hearing your opinions on veganism! This format is basically a vegan podcast! 😊
Rose! Thanks for sharing your opinion on ex-vegans. We shouldn't shame anyone for their choices. We should show support for anyone trying to understand veganism and perhaps that will encourage people to give it a try. Does the "perfect vegan" truly exist? And do they have the authority to speak for all vegans in a community? Nah fam, do what you know is right for you. Your vegan and/or plant-based journey is your choice.
They made a movie about that experiment, called "The Experiment". To my knowledge it wasn't heavily advertised but I found it on Netflix once when I was looking for "The Stanford Prison Experiment". "The Stanford Prison Experiment" wasn't on Netflix but ",The Experiment" showed up as a suggestion.
Not sure if it's still there but it was an interesting movie.
@@tiavelvet3141 american. Famous actors in it
Should’ve added “ASMR” on your title lol.
I loved the vid! Thanks for your insight!😇
I totally agree that social pressure is the hardest part about being vegan and can see how that would be a huge reason people leave. I also agree that more vegans = a better vegan life (look at how many more vegan options we’ve gotten in the past few years for one thing) and because of that I just don’t understand how calling someone out and telling them they’re “not vegan, only plant based” could be a good thing for the movement? The more vegans the better! A huge influence on me becoming vegan was a RUclipsr named Kalyn Nicholson, she has identified as vegan for years and recently she called herself “plant based” stating that she “was reading her comments” meaning that she had people criticizing her for whatever reason. This is vegans PUSHING a huge vegan figure out of their community who could have lead literally millions of her followers to a vegan lifestyle. It just absolutely makes no sense and I’m so glad you brought this up, thank you for always being honest and not being afraid of what the vegan internet will say about your point of view, it’s so refreshing ❤️
Omg leave it the way it is lol! Honestly, these days my favourite way to take in serious information and discussions is with a good dose of humour because laughter is such good medicine especially in these times. This video had me like 🧐😂🤔🤣
The social experiment you were referring to (I think) was for shorter and longer lines, one was clearly longer or shorter but the participant would answer the wrong one in order to fit in. Also there is an experiment with facing the wrong way in an elevator, all people facing one of the walls instead of the door. People going in would face the same way as the others in the elevator.
That experiment your talking about is in the book im reading at the moment, called “The Pleasure Trap”, great book if you haven’t read it!
So much yes!!
Love the fork where did you get it from?
13:48 There was a movie made on it. The film has Winona in it. ‘The Experimenter’ I think it’s called.
She is clever the teacher in this channel innit
I couldn't watch much of the video because of the eating sounds but what I did hear made me feel better about my vegan yo-yo. I first went vegan from 2016-2017 after watching a couple of documentaries that showed the brutal reality of factory farming and the harm that animal products can do to the human body. That change was met with A LOT of backlash from my family, friends and partner. I stuck to my guns for about a year, then I switched to vegetarian for 6 months but ultimately decided I was tired of going against the current and started consuming meat too. I was still conscious of the effects of that choice and I tried to make ecologically conscious decisions when I could, but it was really difficult for me to be vegan while living in the Midwest and cooking for an Omni partner who refused to eat vegan with me when I cooked. So for another two years I was fully Omni but I would have that little voice in the back of my head reminding me that I was eating corpses and that I was contributing to cruelty and global warming. I felt so guilty but I kept pushing it aside and going on with that lifestyle because it was easier. I didn't have to stress about menus when I went out to eat or make sure I could cook two meals at dinner time or be the person that people question constantly about veganism. Thankfully I came back to reality and have been vegan since September 2019 but I'd be lying if I said I didn't still struggle with the choice. Its easier now with meat substitutes at most restaurants and I can generally enjoy some kind of meal when I go to restaurants with omni's but I still get bombarded with questions and comments, as if my food is the weird stuff. Long tangent, but anyway, thank you, Rose for the video. I look forward to more conversations like this!
I made the ethical connection and was actually vegan for 2.5 years. I was extremely passionate and even copped your recipe book lol. I can't say that I have a legitimate argument against veganism, obviously. I may go back to the dark side one of these days..😶
I think one of the reasons people quit veganism is that they have unrealistic expectations going in. Some people are under the impression that going vegan would solve all of their health problems and help them get in shape. When they don't see earth shattering results they simply quit. The vegan life style can be very healthy if you're active, include all food groups in your diet , watch your sugar intake etc, but some influencers tend to oversell the benefits and it can backfire.
You should put ASMR in title so people who love that type of video can enjoy it too :)
I think the reason people respond to ex vegans with the “then you were only plant based” is more so because the vegan community feels hurt. We are hurt that someone who truly understood the cause would just give it up. Because most people don’t understand the cause. And in our minds, we think “well once someone can truly understand veganism and make the ethical connection, then they will be vegan.” And it is hard to accept that that is not the case. The other thing, like you said, people do suck. So people who consciously make the decision to not be vegan after being an ethical vegan suck (I’m sorry). I get there are health reasons etc, so there MAY be exceptions, but it’s case by case. And the pain and anger that the vegan community feels when someone leaves us, drives us to say these type of things to ex vegans to show them the hurt they have put us through.
I think there are way less people who “just don’t care” than people who care and feel bad but don’t want to give up their selfish eating habits
I like you are pointing out the loss of the ethical connection...
hahahaha you are the second Libra to say this and i love it
I love how extremely dark you got at the end and still left some room for hope. 🤣 You get a like for that contrast and the amazing-looking green pasta with pesto.🤤😋
I stopped watching because of the eating sounds (which usually don't bother me but they were really loud here, you were not kidding). Came back a week later, powered through and muted sound when you took bites. It's such a shame because you have so much wisdom to offer the world, I relate so much to everything you've said. I love everything you do, you're an inspiration to us all.
Find people just like you and be good to them.
Eating sounds always make me so hungry 😋
I love eating noises bc I'm a freak, but I'm sure those who do not appreciate your warning, lol. I have soy curls too, but I keep making seitan so I'm tempted away from them by that. I need to buckle down and just do something simple with them like this.
yesss ASMR eating noises!!!
You brought up a very interesting subject that has a lot of variables for the explanation of why people stop living a vegan lifestyle. There are just so many reasons why people stop. Jon Venus basically stop because it appeared that maybe he had some pressure from family. Maybe we'll never know. That's all I'm going to say, because it'll get too long if I keep waiting. I do however basically think that at some point somebody truly was vegan if they were living a vegan lifestyle. They were when they did then they decided not to let that my style for whatever reason.
Agree the Jon Venus had pressure from family. I still don’t get it though. Nobody could pressure me into anything especially eating animals.Now he’s a hunter 🙄🙄🙄 it’s infuriating honestly. And I will just say it, if you can go from a proud “vegan” to hunter, you were never vegan to begin with. How can you take an animal’s life like that and chop it up and eat it and claim that you love or care about animals??
where do you buy the soycurls?
TheMontrealGirl You can get them online. I buy from Amazon, but I think you can buy directly from Butler’s (company that makes them).
can you talk about dealing with family that’s non vegan especially when it comes to trying to explain why and why it’s good for animals, health etc
Nah, your point is good because after showing some family members how pig farms affect others. They still decided to eat it so....
I'm intrigued by the wooden fork & spoon
Longer mukbangs please 🙃🙃
Hi! So, I didn’t mind the sounds tbh. The video and your thoughts were very interesting and I agree with basically everything you said. 😂 also... I don’t know WHAT it is.... but I love watching you eat 😅🙈😍
I really enjoy your videos in general because you seem to be very honest and authentic and that’s quite rare. So keep punter work and I’m looking forward to the upcoming videos - including (which I would like a lot) some mukbangs with vegan topics you’d discuss. Greetings from Germany to (my favourite country) Canada ❤️
punder obviously was meant to say „up the“
I agree with this message.
Haha the circle/triangle thing was actually “which line is longer” 😂😘
You definitely changed my mind on this topic. I guess I was just being naive about human nature and how a lot of us actually are. To each their own..
Thank you for your videos....I just like to explore and see what is healthy for me as a person. One week I maybe eat vegan and next week I may switch to original diet. It depends on what's available and what I can afford.
Girl. I heard your disclaimer but I just can’t do it. So so gross. Sorry!
Not all vegans become vegan because of the ethics. A lot of ppl do it for health or wanting to lose weight. And in my opinion, most vegans aren't ethical. They don't eat meat or may not use products made from animal products, but they still eat heart of palm or eat products with palm oil which is HORRIBLE for animals. Even if it's "sustainably sourced" at some point those fields had animals living there, so I don't buy it. Also, people sometimes can't continue a vegan diet bc of health reasons. I think ppl should just worry about themselves and model veganism through their behavior instead of judging ppl for not being vegan or quitting.
Rose, Using two words in a sentence that have the same or similar meaning is called Tautological.
So for example 'free gift', all gifts are free so why say it is a 'free' gift? Have you ever had to pay for a gift?
I've got a couple bags of soy curls and have been looking for things to do with them! Thanks Rose 😋
So so good!!! Enjoy ❤️
Best food noises ever👍
Yay hey rose new video...so happy to see it....
'becoming vegan made me more cinical towards people' THAT'S ME
The eating sounds in this video are on point 😁
I think the problem is that a lot of the vegan community has this sense of superiority. “They’ve reached this ethical epiphany” and fail to neglect and to see that sometimes veganism is not always obtainable. I went vegetarian four years ago, and since then I have gone vegan multiply times, every time I feel amazing, but towards the end I’ll admit I don’t stay on top of my nutrition like I should, (because life and I’m human) so I go back to consuming dairy and eggs (which I get from my mothers farm). I always feel guilty when I start eating eggs and dairy again, but at the end of the day I believe people should do the best they can in whatever circumstance they’re in.
I think it’s dumb to say someone was never vegan simply because they stopped living that way, it’s like saying someone was never religious because they stopped going to their church. Just because you stopped following a certain lifestyle that doesn’t mean you never “made the connection.”
I hope that makes sense.🙈
Yeah, my friend went plant based for her health but she's not even plant based anymore