1:15 Vivaldi - Four Seasons - Spring 2:06 Liszt - Hungarian Rhapsody 2nd 3:02 Verdi - La Traviata - Libiamo ne' lieti calici 3:59 Bizet - Carmen Suite No. 1 - Les Toreadors
I've seen 2 of your restoration projects, and I am blown away. The tolerances on those things have got to be perfect for the sound to be correct, and you took them all the way down, cleaned, tweaked, polished, lubricated, and then reassembled the little jewels. I'm in awe........and I'm a first class tool and die machinest. Wow! Master class work boss. Hat's off. = )
Well my friend, thank you for the kind comment but it is actually you that should be celebrated. As a master machinist, you can craft the metal parts using a lathe and other machinist tools. I can craft simple parts and springs but not the more complex parts. Most of the parts on Reuge music boxes are crafted by hand - just like they were in the 1800s. Yes, some parts are made using CNC machines. What really blows me away is on the early 1800s music boxes, the crafters not only made everything by hand (no power either) but they also had to make the tools and machines used to fabricate the parts. I am self-taught and I do not hold myself out to be a master machinest, toolmaker or model maker. Kind regards, Troy Duncan, CPA, retired.
I've been at my trade for 38 years, and I'm still learning about it from the people who are around me. If your self-taught then I'm very impressed. I'm interested in your work. I left you a message on eBay. Don't know how long it will take, but it's happening. = )
What a wonderful and joyous Contraption! My twin sister had a cheap girls' jewelry/music box, where, when opened, a ballerina would pop up on a spring and dance to the music. It was the song that was interesting to my young self. I'm so glad these devices still exist, and someone is out there to share with us. Thank you.
I love how the mainspring made less than one full turn even after one full cycle through the songs. One full winding can give you 20+ minutes of music.
Mr. Singing Bird Boxes, your stuff is amazing! I have desired a large music box that has been in my family for over 70 years and now that I have found you, I'll be keeping an eye on your store.
This is so cool. I use to have an ice cream truck and most ice cream truck drivers said the music box drove them nuts but I loved it. The box I had was like what your showing, in a way.
I hope to one day be rich enough to buy something like this for my future wife. It's such an exquisite work of art. In the meantime I'm saving for one of their smaller boxes 😊
so interesting. you dont see too many music box nerds as there are guitar nerds or drum nerds. but this is so cool! these are really beautiful. you earned yourself a sub :)
How do I get my large , heavy vintage THorens fat cylinder music box to you .the box is quite exquisite and the way it was found . It looks similar to this box ( crank and 11 song box ) I was soooooo happy when I came across this special box !!!! That being said I believe you are the ONLY PERSON I will let touch this beautiful piece of history !!!! Thank you for sharing all your knowledge and craftsmanship. Lisa
🤗🎶✨I swear, you must be one rare music box wizard! This is fantastic! Beautiful condition. I'm trying to imagine going into the music box shop when the world was much different. I think there used to be more magic in this world. Thank you for sharing this, and revitalizing that spirit🧙🏽♂️
Horizontal offset. Shift the cylinder slightly left-right and the picks which were plucking the notes now miss them, but a different set of picks pluck the notes instead. (Apologies to those who know the correct terms. I hope I was clear enough anyway)
When the arranger make the song, there are the same numbers of column that number of songs For the example let's take this, there are 4 musics So colonnes are like: 123412341234123412341234 When the cylinder is at a certain position it only takes the"1" toothes 1---1---1---1---1---1---1---1---1--- And if it is set to the third music --3---3---3---3---3---3---3---3---3---3- And you got it
It shifts to another position. There are gaps between each teeth which prevent the incorrect cylinder pins from plucking the teeth in order to play the correct song.
Correct. The first music boxes were sur plateau (super tiny discs) found mostly in watches and FOBS. Then, cylinder music boxes were invented and were the "only game on town" until the 1880s when Symphonion invented the disc music box. This allowed new discs to be created when new songs were composed. Then came the Gramaphone with a human voice and then LP records. As such, the music box industry basically went away.
Fantastic, thank you for this video. Someday,when I really make it big, a music box will be the first thing I'll buy. In the meantime, this is a grand substitute.
I have seen many cylindercal musical box on Internet but never have I seen one which I have. It's huge like table with 24 cylinders in cabinet .Each cylinder plays 6 tune. Probably made to order as no manufacturer name only mentioned made in Switzerland. Working condition. Guide me.
I know those, i can help. they’re valuable yes, but no, not rich, that would most likely be tax money. it would be a lot of money, though they are very hard to sel. they’re amazing.
Really nice....I bet the musician/designers of these beautiful instruments would pick up how to program a MIDI sequencer in seconds, and the possibilities would blow them away!
I wonder if there are any designs that also vary the length of the pins protruding from the cylinder, to vary the loudness of the note. I feel this would also alter the strike timing of the note, and would require some compensation (quieter notes would need to be pushed correspondingly later, relative to other notes).
I used to have a musical cuckoo clock with a REUGE 22 notes. Sadly the ratchet went bad, and I could not pull the chain, because if I did, the ratchet would slip and the weight would hit the floor in an instant. But don't worry! I will get it back! Once I do I will video the Reuge inside the clock.
It sounds outstanding, they cost a lot. that’s why i buy them slowly. you think this is big, you should see the antique ones, they could be twice the size with even larger cylinders, this one is built the old way, not the new way, it sounds amazing!
I agree with you. I have many antique music boxes and have sold many too. Many RUclips videos of such - even some Overture boxes which are the best made.
@@troyduncan1969 yeah, i love your videos! didn’t think you would reply, i’m only 13 and collect rare antiques, but money is limited hence my age so they don’t come in a lot.
I dont understand. How a cylinder that slim fits all the songs? If the cylinder finished 1 cycle, the song should be repeated. In this case, there's gotta be so many cycle already. Am I correct? I'm confused.
The cylinder has thousands of pins that are positioned in what is called a musical arrangement. A snail gear slightly shifts the cylinder after each song which allows a different set of pins to engage the comb - this is how you get more than one song on a cylinder.
@@troyduncan1969 oh I see. Thank you for the explanation. Now I'm really intrigued by the design of the music box. There must be very small tolerance and precise movement for the music box to produce those music. I wonder how much for each of these back then. The look of it itself is almost like those high-end watches!
AH TOREADOR CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD. I'm a college student who's loved collecting music boxes for years, but I liked FNAF for a long time when it was big, and that song will NEVER be the same
Contact Reuge in Switzerland. The mechanism alone on a 144 note grand cartel would cost about $3,000 or $4,000 "or so" wholesale (if you were a dealer). Dealers typically mark up close to 100%. Kind regards, Troy Duncan.
Thank you Carl. I think you sent me an email yesterday, I replied, and never heard back from you. Kind regards, Troy Duncan, CPA, retired www.singingbirdbox.com www.reugemusicboxusa.com
I am a weird electronic music fan, so my only question here is why you need 144 notes? From what I hear it covers 5, maybe 6 octaves, and for chromatic scale it's 60 or 72 notes. Maybe the other 72 notes are just duplicates to have rudimentary volume control?
*@Singing bird boxes* 5:12 How does it repeat a song? Does it shift slightly (so the "roll sticks"?) line up with the "holes" between the "music sticks" and it spins faster? (or same speed? or reverses direction?) Also, how does the song-tracker works?
The "fan" is the final part of the gear train and regulates the speed of the gear train - often times called a governor. It spins at the highest speed and therefore has the lowest torque (power).
@@troyduncan1969 got ya i was stuck between govener or phisical amp by moving more air threw to make vibration move farther....thank you you are amazing ive never seen the boxes you find but i fix the basic ones
The snail gear is perfectly machined so the cylinder only shifts at the point between songs. If you look closely at the cylinder, there is a tiny gap that runs across the cylinder without any pins - this is true for all shifting cylinder music boxes as otherwise the dampers would surely break and the pins could also break.
1:15 Vivaldi - Four Seasons - Spring
2:06 Liszt - Hungarian Rhapsody 2nd
3:02 Verdi - La Traviata - Libiamo ne' lieti calici
3:59 Bizet
- Carmen Suite No. 1 - Les Toreadors
Thanks
Lol he said THE four seasons i was expecting the whole thing then i was like oh lol
How the hell you remember these complex names
@@wealthmaster69 i don't, google does. remembering the composer name and type (solo, opera, concerto) helps the searching though
@@TheJociman excellent
Thank you for sharing such beautiful music box videos. Without RUclips, I would never have a chance to hear and see such expensive antiques.
Now this is a rare beauty indeed. The fact that it has a large musical scale along with the fact that it can play more than one song is impressive.
Definitely.
I've seen 2 of your restoration projects, and I am blown away. The tolerances on those things have got to be perfect for the sound to be correct, and you took them all the way down, cleaned, tweaked, polished, lubricated, and then reassembled the little jewels. I'm in awe........and I'm a first class tool and die machinest. Wow! Master class work boss. Hat's off. = )
Well my friend, thank you for the kind comment but it is actually you that should be celebrated. As a master machinist, you can craft the metal parts using a lathe and other machinist tools. I can craft simple parts and springs but not the more complex parts. Most of the parts on Reuge music boxes are crafted by hand - just like they were in the 1800s. Yes, some parts are made using CNC machines. What really blows me away is on the early 1800s music boxes, the crafters not only made everything by hand (no power either) but they also had to make the tools and machines used to fabricate the parts. I am self-taught and I do not hold myself out to be a master machinest, toolmaker or model maker.
Kind regards, Troy Duncan, CPA, retired.
I've been at my trade for 38 years, and I'm still learning about it from the people who are around me. If your self-taught then I'm very impressed. I'm interested in your work. I left you a message on eBay. Don't know how long it will take, but it's happening. = )
What a wonderful and joyous Contraption! My twin sister had a cheap girls' jewelry/music box, where, when opened, a ballerina would pop up on a spring and dance to the music. It was the song that was interesting to my young self. I'm so glad these devices still exist, and someone is out there to share with us. Thank you.
I've always loved how music boxes sound.
Crystal Nibarger same, it's absolutely beautiful!
Same.
Whenever I want some music to relax my mind, music box melody is always the best.
Its so relaxing. I love it
Me to
That is not only beautiful but also what a truly gorgeous sound. Stunning.
The grand cartel music boxes are the top of the line for Reuge.
I love how the mainspring made less than one full turn even after one full cycle through the songs. One full winding can give you 20+ minutes of music.
Oh this was just delightful!!!! Thank you for the opportunity to hear such a device!
Mr. Singing Bird Boxes, your stuff is amazing! I have desired a large music box that has been in my family for over 70 years and now that I have found you, I'll be keeping
an eye on your store.
This is the most beautiful thing I have seen in the last years!
This is so cool. I use to have an ice cream truck and most ice cream truck drivers said the music box drove them nuts but I loved it. The box I had was like what your showing, in a way.
I hope to one day be rich enough to buy something like this for my future wife. It's such an exquisite work of art.
In the meantime I'm saving for one of their smaller boxes 😊
The music is so peaceful and soothing
so interesting. you dont see too many music box nerds as there are guitar nerds or drum nerds. but this is so cool! these are really beautiful. you earned yourself a sub :)
How do I get my large , heavy vintage THorens fat cylinder music box to you .the box is quite exquisite and the way it was found . It looks similar to this box ( crank and 11 song box )
I was soooooo happy when I came across this special box !!!!
That being said I believe you are the ONLY PERSON I will let touch this beautiful piece of history !!!! Thank you for sharing all your knowledge and craftsmanship. Lisa
Avoid Drone Express!!
🤗🎶✨I swear, you must be one rare music box wizard! This is fantastic! Beautiful condition. I'm trying to imagine going into the music box shop when the world was much different. I think there used to be more magic in this world. Thank you for sharing this, and revitalizing that spirit🧙🏽♂️
Wow, thank you
@Missy Moonwillow Oh what I’d give for those simpler times! 💔
Me: Wow that's really cool! I'll just go over to the website to check the price-OHMYGOD
A music box like this can take months to build, with hundreds of hours invested.
@@SinnerSince1962 one of them is 9,000+ dollars my dude
LM Meyer 😱
I shall sell my soul to get it
You buy this, and your grandchildren will be happy after 500 years.
Un poco de todo : magnífico 👌
How exactly does one fit 4 songs on a cylinder, even after it's gone a full revolution?
Horizontal offset. Shift the cylinder slightly left-right and the picks which were plucking the notes now miss them, but a different set of picks pluck the notes instead. (Apologies to those who know the correct terms. I hope I was clear enough anyway)
I assume there are multiple columns of notes and the barrel shifts slightly left or right to line up with the different notes.
When the arranger make the song, there are the same numbers of column that number of songs
For the example let's take this, there are 4 musics
So colonnes are like: 123412341234123412341234
When the cylinder is at a certain position it only takes the"1" toothes
1---1---1---1---1---1---1---1---1---
And if it is set to the third music
--3---3---3---3---3---3---3---3---3---3-
And you got it
It shifts to another position. There are gaps between each teeth which prevent the incorrect cylinder pins from plucking the teeth in order to play the correct song.
At see relly good music boxs he des a good job on RUclips and at well be good to do at too see a good job mate
Bellisimas melodías, y su sonido espectacular !!!!
Wow that is beautiful all the songs were really good
Beautiful!
Very interesting piece of musical history.
Thanks for the video.
A great piece of engineering and a beautiful work of art🤩 Totally love this thing. Cool review!
What a wonderful message, thank you.
I didn't know such wonderful devices existed thank you for sharing
For a long time, the only way to hear music anywhere was that. That's the sound a generation grew up with.
Correct. The first music boxes were sur plateau (super tiny discs) found mostly in watches and FOBS. Then, cylinder music boxes were invented and were the "only game on town" until the 1880s when Symphonion invented the disc music box. This allowed new discs to be created when new songs were composed. Then came the Gramaphone with a human voice and then LP records. As such, the music box industry basically went away.
Fantastic, thank you for this video. Someday,when I really make it big, a music box will be the first thing I'll buy. In the meantime, this is a grand substitute.
I have seen many cylindercal musical box on Internet but never have I seen one which I have. It's huge like table with 24 cylinders in cabinet .Each cylinder plays 6 tune. Probably made to order as no manufacturer name only mentioned made in Switzerland. Working condition. Guide me.
Show us on youtube and you'd be a rich man...
raghvendra gohil That will be worth so much money. I hope it’s insured.
I know those, i can help. they’re valuable yes, but no, not rich, that would most likely be tax money. it would be a lot of money, though they are very hard to sel. they’re amazing.
Absolutely fabulous describes it in just two words
Really nice....I bet the musician/designers of these beautiful instruments would pick up how to program a MIDI sequencer in seconds, and the possibilities would blow them away!
So beautiful!
Greetings from Argentina!🇦🇷👏🏼
not going to look up the price, but i can see that it was and still is an luxury item, and some damn sweet mechanical history
Beautifully workmanship.
wow ,what a treasure, thank you for sharing
Thank you for the kind words. You should watch this video: ruclips.net/video/20Nzgd77mMM/видео.html
Kind regards, Troy Duncan. www.singingbirdbox.com
Such amazing marvel before digital age
wonderful timbre, I'm glad you are restoring these. Are there unsion tines?
What a sound!Perfect tune!!😊
My Favourite Song Was "Carmen Toreador"
Its sounded like four seasons of vilvadi
First song was 4 seasons, second song was Hungarian Rhapsody, 3rd song was La Traviata, 4th song was Toreador
@@CBF1 oh nice tks u
Gosh the condition is beautiful. Wouldn't even open the lid because elements could get to the brass and tarnish is, polishing it would be hell.
I wonder if there are any designs that also vary the length of the pins protruding from the cylinder, to vary the loudness of the note. I feel this would also alter the strike timing of the note, and would require some compensation (quieter notes would need to be pushed correspondingly later, relative to other notes).
I imagine you can also have a pin that's *just* long enough to touch the prong to stop it vibrating. This could enable different length notes
tão maravilhoso, não tem como explicar ❤
Thank you for this impressive presentation !
I used to have a musical cuckoo clock with a REUGE 22 notes. Sadly the ratchet went bad, and I could not pull the chain, because if I did, the ratchet would slip and the weight would hit the floor in an instant. But don't worry! I will get it back! Once I do I will video the Reuge inside the clock.
Aaai mds!! Venderia minha alma por uma dessas 😍💖💖💖👏👏👏 Muito lindo mesmo parabéns pelo trabalho!!
Magnifique. J'adore.
It sounds outstanding, they cost a lot. that’s why i buy them slowly. you think this is big, you should see the antique ones, they could be twice the size with even larger cylinders, this one is built the old way, not the new way, it sounds amazing!
I agree with you. I have many antique music boxes and have sold many too. Many RUclips videos of such - even some Overture boxes which are the best made.
@@troyduncan1969 yeah, i love your videos! didn’t think you would reply, i’m only 13 and collect rare antiques, but money is limited hence my age so they don’t come in a lot.
Who perfectly attached all those little pegs so precisely in that cylinder?
how mush for this music box?its so good
A movement alone would cost between £4000 and £6000 new condition.
3:59 I just got a flashback to when I got jump scared by Freddy 1 minute before dawn.
wow! it is symphony! ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️
These things are beautiful.
I dont understand. How a cylinder that slim fits all the songs? If the cylinder finished 1 cycle, the song should be repeated. In this case, there's gotta be so many cycle already. Am I correct? I'm confused.
The cylinder has thousands of pins that are positioned in what is called a musical arrangement. A snail gear slightly shifts the cylinder after each song which allows a different set of pins to engage the comb - this is how you get more than one song on a cylinder.
@@troyduncan1969 oh I see. Thank you for the explanation. Now I'm really intrigued by the design of the music box. There must be very small tolerance and precise movement for the music box to produce those music. I wonder how much for each of these back then. The look of it itself is almost like those high-end watches!
*during the fourth song*
My brain: FIVE NIGHTS AT-
Me: *NO*
Brain: Why not?
Me: because no
what is song 3 i have heard it literally everywhere
""Libiamo ne' lieti calici" ('Brindisi' drinking song) - Verdi, La Traviata
Very nice music box. Are the tune counters unusual for modern music boxes? I recently bought 72 note 3 tune music box with a counter.
Beautiful !!!♥️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Lindas canciones lo amo ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
Прелесть! Мелодия звучит волшебно и так красиво
How does the one song repeat mode work?
AH TOREADOR CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD. I'm a college student who's loved collecting music boxes for years, but I liked FNAF for a long time when it was big, and that song will NEVER be the same
G seems to be a popular key for music boxes?
Yes - so is D.
I only like 2 and 4 Music it's touch to my ❤️ My childhood memories when I was young and little kid I always listing this music ☺️
Can you buy just those haircomb things that make the sound somewhere? The 72 note ones?
Dang I can only imagine how much that’s worth that’s so nice
You should visit my Reuge music box website. www.reugemusicboxusa.com
Kind regards, Troy Duncan. www.reugemusicboxusa.com
Could you explain the difference in sound between the two combs.
Is that thing at the right that's spinning there for cooling?
No. It is the final part of the gear train - called a governor fan.
What year it comes from?
How can I get in touch with you. I have a music box that I would like to have repaired?
where can I find just the wind up machine? I see you can find them on amazon, but I would like higher quality ones. thanks
Contact Reuge in Switzerland. The mechanism alone on a 144 note grand cartel would cost about $3,000 or $4,000 "or so" wholesale (if you were a dealer). Dealers typically mark up close to 100%. Kind regards, Troy Duncan.
Is there a tangible difference between the two ranks of teeth? They seem to sound very similar.
The 2 teeth are detuned slightly to create a "choir" effect
Dark joel: I have a really big giant music box in my hallway outside on the balcony area
What a coincidence! So do I!
Such a beautiful music box. I wonder the price?
He said it could be all yours for $ 7,000.00. How many do you want? There will never be another one or a lower price.
what is the name of the first song? used to hear that a lot as a kid and either never got the name or forgot, would love to find it.
itsssjim - Vivaldi's Four Seasons
what is the spinning part on the right? some sort of centrifugal governor?
Correct. It is called a governor fan or airbrake.
Have you never heard the saying “ you can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear .” There are individuals that are a living testament to that fact ..
These remind me of kalimbas. Same idea but with the pins catching the tongues instead of fingers, so the earliest automated instrument!
What's that fan like movement on the right?
It is called a governor fan. It serves as the last part within a gear train.
European ingenuity at its finest. That, and automatons
The thing on the right goes speeeeeeen!
Absolutely Amazing.
They have a nice Museum in Switzerland, been there ...
did anyone know the second song?
Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2
Just beautiful!
what are the 4 song titles? Of course I recognize the melody but no idea what the actual names are. Thanks
Stunning!
Thank you Carl. I think you sent me an email yesterday, I replied, and never heard back from you.
Kind regards,
Troy Duncan, CPA, retired
www.singingbirdbox.com
www.reugemusicboxusa.com
What a neat thing to have!
Always be yourself, unless you can be a unicorn and then always be a unicorn :)
@@troyduncan1969 I am a violinist and I appreciate beautiful objects, it is a beautiful music box.
I am a weird electronic music fan, so my only question here is why you need 144 notes? From what I hear it covers 5, maybe 6 octaves, and for chromatic scale it's 60 or 72 notes. Maybe the other 72 notes are just duplicates to have rudimentary volume control?
*@Singing bird boxes*
5:12 How does it repeat a song?
Does it shift slightly (so the "roll sticks"?) line up with the "holes" between the "music sticks" and it spins faster? (or same speed? or reverses direction?)
Also, how does the song-tracker works?
omg it's so beautiful, it makes we want to cry.
Hungarian Rhapsody :)
Maya • same its my favorite piece
2:07
Mine to
Those little spikes are so tiny, I'd be afraid they'd break getting that close to it with my hands.
You keep your fingers out and off!
2:50 jerry smash closes the piano door and the Tom's figures goes like
Whats the name of the 2nd song?
Hungarian rhapsody no2
Chopin I think
2:05 Tom and Jerry
Vivaldi! Nice 4 seizoens! I like it!
That' s the Spring ❤
what is the "fan" part for
The "fan" is the final part of the gear train and regulates the speed of the gear train - often times called a governor. It spins at the highest speed and therefore has the lowest torque (power).
@@troyduncan1969 got ya i was stuck between govener or phisical amp by moving more air threw to make vibration move farther....thank you you are amazing ive never seen the boxes you find but i fix the basic ones
Playlist please!.
Great goods , great music.
Qhat keeps the pins from breaking as it changes songs?
The snail gear is perfectly machined so the cylinder only shifts at the point between songs. If you look closely at the cylinder, there is a tiny gap that runs across the cylinder without any pins - this is true for all shifting cylinder music boxes as otherwise the dampers would surely break and the pins could also break.
Who else got here looking for Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons?