Is this Allowed IRL?? "Legal CHEATING" w/ Dino Waifus.. Not Advocating it Though ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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Monster:
3x Dinomorphia Therizia
3x Dinomorphia Diplos
3x Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring
2x Ghost Ogre & Snow Rabbit
1x Effect Veiler
Spell:
3x Pot of Duality
3x Pot of Prosperity
2x Called by the Grave
Trap:
3x Dinomorphia Domain
2x Dinomorphia Sonic
1x Dinomorphia Alert
1x Dinomorphia Brute
1x Ferret Flames
3x Infinite Impermanence
3x Solemn Judgment
3x Solemn Strike
1x Skill Drain
1x Imperial Order
1x Rivalry of Warlords
Extra:
2x Dinomorphia Stealthbergia
3x Dinomorphia Kentregina
1x Zoodiac Boarbow
1x Zoodiac Chakanine
1x Divine Arsenal AA-ZEUS - Sky Thunder
1x Number 39: Utopia
1x Number S39: Utopia Prime
1x Abyss Dweller
1x Daigusto Emeral
1x Number 85: Crazy Box
1x Number 41: Bagooska the Terribly Tired Tapir
1x Evolzar Dolkka (replace one of above if you have him)
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This is a legal play, you don't have to declare whether you're going to battle phase or end phase, you simply have to say "attempt to end main." That passes priority over to your opponent before you change phases. If your opponent decides to do something, priority passes back to you (turn player) and you can choose to continue the main phase or go to the next phase.
Yep, I always do this if my opponent has a card that activates during the Main Phase.
Yes sir as a Konami judge I can confirm
something that woudlnt really come up in paper but in master duel expicially with all the prompts this game puts up for sure could catch someone slacking
Yeah u can declare end of main phase but u also have to declare u going to battle phase
Or at least ur opp if he is not dumb he asks u so u going battle phase or end phase that is the right think
If u can do that lol just ur opp is bad
@@fireattribute8164 you just have to declare attempt end of main phase you do not have to specify unless asked
For anyone wondering, if you turn chaining on instead of automatic it will give you a prompt once whatever phase he starts next, whether it be battle, main 2, or end. It's not "cheating", but it's a knowledge check
Cant do in mp2. Ive done it before with live twin deck while toggled on
@@josias9281 It does work, Galladiated is describing a function of the game that exists whether you are playing on MD or not, this is not up for debate. You will need to figure out why you weren't able to do it in that specific scenario. Maybe you misclicked, maybe you misremembered and your toggle wasn't set to "on".
I wish I could have a different toggle for bluffing, make them think I have some way of counter and am wondering if I should use it or not. But that could make the matches real slow tho
Always use DPE effect on end phase. Turn it on, after endphase message shows up you can pop off their cards
@@Bos_Meong DPE user 🤢🤮🤮🤮
This is actually super common, and completely legal. Idr if it was a regional but there was a tournament being casted where the opponent said, "leaving the main phase" and essentially forced the quaertis to activate (as it is main phase only) or miss out. So, after the quaertis effect went off, the opponent chose to STAY in main phase and continue comboing. You only need to announce you are leaving a phase, not where you GO to. The rule that you were reading was the one you must state when you ENTER a phase. That must also be done. So, when leaving main phase, not only can you bait to go to end turn OR battle phase, you can ALSO stay in the phase if your opponent DOES use an effect. However, if they don't, you are forced to leave, as you said.
That's why unless the card specifically says it only works during the main phase, you would always prefer to wait until end phase to use an effect. It avoids this scenario + it makes certain cards like effect veiler offline.
This guy gets it ☝️
I think dpe is going to be popped by fusion destiny if they wait tile end phase, so they had to do it at end of main.
@@jasonlu4514 You can activate DPE in end phase before it blows up since you, the player, get to decide the order.
@@jasonlu4514 no, just turn the toggle on, after endphase, right when next turn gonna start it will ask last prompt, then you can pop off your dpe effect
I see what you did with the title gunz, very funny. That being said, this isn't cheating so much as it is angle shooting, and this specific tactic has been here as long as trap decks have had to go second against quickie pops. It's an angle shot in the sense that it's more of a knowledge check. A more experienced player will just pop your stuff at endstep, but a newer player might try to react if you try to go end of main.
TLDR: use your dpe pops on backrow during endstep folks!
IRL, both players agree to move to the next phase. The turn player says, "I would like to move to the next phase". If you are in MP1, that means you are now leaving this phase, so the priority is passed to the opponent. This is the window where the opponent can activate things like Nibiru. Then, once the priority is passed back, it is an open game state. Now the turn player can say "I'm entering the Battle Phase" which is during the Start Step of the battle phase. They do not need to tell you which phase they are entering - BP or EP during MP1.
Alternative title: Tooltips for effectively playing mindgames with your opponent so you can give maximum EMOTIONAL DAMAGE
Either way is correct. If you announce "I'm going to end my main phase", then your opponent has the chance to decide to activate any effects. If you instead announce, "I'm going to the Battle Phase" then its the same result, your opponent gets a chance to activate any effects. However, if you do decide to say or someone says "I'm going to end my main phase" then you should already be aware that they'll either go in to their Battle Phase or their End Phase. Which if you don't respond then it'll go to the End Phase if that was their intention where you can activate DPE and then pop. If not, then you'll simply go in to the Battle Phase and can response at the start of it or you can also wait to the for the end of the Battle Phase, start of MP2 or end of MP2 or at the End Phase. Is it trying to bait a response, sure it is but if you get impatient and respond when the End Phase hasn't been declared then it didn't matter how he said it.
If a dude was sketchy like that on paper, I'd be making sure. I'd be like, "No response" and wait till he declares Battle or End Phase. In Master Duel, he sets one and tries to end his Main Phase I'm going to toggle on and wait till I see that it lands on End Phase.
*Distantcoder intensifies*...lmao such a great title
If a card says it is only activatable during the main phase then you can actually force your opponent by going to your battle phase. If the opponent uses the main phase effect then after it's resolution, you will be prompted if you would like to continue your main phase or proceed to the next phase that you selected. If they only use quick effects like DPE, and if you're not toggled on, then it will continue to the battle phase/next phase you selected on resolution.
I think this is genuinely fine...
I mean. It's more applicable in a scenario when they have an effect that can only activate during the main phase for eg. Declaring end of main means they then use the effect prematurely and then you can continue in that main phase because they've performed another action. Similar to bluffing evenly matched too
This is still fine, bluffing in master duel is still fine like playing with togle to trick your opponent you had certain hand trap or other response to potentially change how they set their end board is unique to this format, but that adventure stuff is not bluffing is just miss re-present the game
All you need to do is declare your intent to leave a phase, and with the reaction toggle set to on, the game will give you a warning when you attempt to do so if you have a card that can be declared in either an open game state or the end of said phase. You can even do this as far as your opponent attempting to pass turn during the end phase, the toggle will declare their attempt to end the turn if you have a card you can play before it happens(i.e. popping cards that were set at the end of their last Main of the turn).
Irl you can just go "end of x phase" or "end of turn" to pass priority before the phase or turn changes. If you try to skip, your opponent can attempt to shark you on skipping steps if you attempt to perform ANY action before letting them do so.
Additionally, if your opponent DOES make an action after passing priority, the change in game state allows you to continue to make actions in the current phase, similarly to how changing the number of monsters on the field allows you to change targets even after declaring an attack, up to the battle step(after damage step begins though, the monsters are locked in combat and the attacker has forfeited its right to change targets, even if a card like Forbidden Droplet removes the defending monster from the field).
Shots fired with that title
This is a pretty well-known tcg tooltip, never say things like "attempt to enter the battle phase" always word it as "attempt to leave the main phase". It's just something every player should do similar to shuffling your hand after you draw so that your opponent doesn't know if what you played was off the top or not or always saying "thinking" and pausing for a second if your opponent activates a card or effect whether or not you have a hand trap, because it won't give away if you have interruptions or not. A similar tool is asking your opponent sometimes a clarifying question like "that's summon 4 right?" to act like you have nibieru. The trick is to also do it when you have Nibiru, it's just like bluffing in poker, sometimes you need to have the cards too. None of this is cheating, it's all fair play and it's not considered bad sportsmanship, it's an important part of the game that better players implement to gain advantage over their opponent.
you can also count each time your opponent summon to put pressure on them, even tho you dont have nibiru
🤣
As long as you never state a card you don't have in hand it's legal.
Titles like this are the exact reason why Dkayed is it hot water right now
Dkayed is an idiot though. GB is cleariy poking fun of the situation
In which sense? Just people fed up with those BS clickbait titles (although is pretty useful info) or some actual consequences.
Actual consequences, you can look it up
@@Patadude100 ok thanks, will look into it then.
Is this a reference to an adventure related legal cheating incident?
I usually do this when I know opponent has a nibiru, never thought about using it to bait dpe tho
Doesn't bait dpe. Dpe activates anytime. This only baits cards that can only be activated in the main phase, ie. Halq. That guy just got the halq prompt and activated dpe when instead he should've waited till end phase.
@@Shadow8332 Oh yeah I get it he coul've wait the Halq resolves then he'd get another pop-up like "opponent about to end their turn", man's playing yugioh just clicking yes
"Ye, IRL I will just say "end of Main" and wait till I hear my opponent says "ok" and then say "well now it is battle phase". What a great opponent I will be to play with 😄" - Some guy who was the best in Duel Links in 2018
boi if u don't chill with that 3 week old drama
The reason this is a legal play is because the game is returning to an open game state after an eff resolves like the dpe set 4 example because the game is returning to an open game state because your declaration of ending your main phase got interrupted by an eff activating and resolving. Afterwards, the state of the game has changed due to the result of an effect therefore the turn player now has a choice to continue to end the main phase or continue because the state of the game and board has changed in some way which is why this is legal irl
Comedically, the game of yugioh technically does require the consent of both players to proceed. Back in the olden days, we did have effects that proc-ed in the draw/standby phase, but we have significantly more effects that do so now.
Unless both players pass priority back to an open game state and proceed through phases, *we are not leaving this phase*
Scariest thing someone can do to a man is draw phase, standby phase, M1...
*enter battle phase with an empty field*
(You're gonna get evenly'd)
Yup, this is completely legal. You declare you are ending a phase before ending another one, and only declare what phase you are entering after you already entered it. So in end of M1, for example you only have to say "end of M1" , and you opponent only knows if you are entering BP or EP once you already entered it or, if you are on end of BP, your opponent only knows if you are entering M2 or EP once you already entered it.
I’d be so salty if I got je-baited that hard
there was no cheating, playing in Master duel helps to avoid that if anything, him and I just learned of this trick and pay more attention to the phases, still there was no way for him to know that was any kind of plan. It was a good move.
I mean as far as i am aware, you can say do you have any effects to activate before i leave my main phase, they can ask and you can say end phase, if they have action you can then act as you please
what happened is the opponent on your “end of main phase” summoned another monster so in open game state when a number of monsters changes that’s why the prompt to continue main phase exists but master duel doesn’t always best represent the physical representation of the card game/game state. Also it’s important to not make mistakes like duel links meta did w/ misunderstanding game rules but presenting it as fact, though you have a point would a judge enforce stating phases? Some things like baiting nib are legal but to the former question of a play such as this would be enforced? Well i believe at high level events that would be the case as it’s EXPLICITLY STATED in the rulebook but at locals it’s a case by case basis as not every “judge” has integrity/knowledge comparable to enforce or know ALL the rules. Point is i’m just offering word of caution.
I see that you put the pot of p and pot of Duality in nice still not sure on the hand traps to use or not use with deck? Atm I run Dark ruler and evenly for going second and droll
This isn’t cheating, you can do this in the tcg and ocg too. In TCG, you just say “ending mainphase”, then the opponent gets priority to do something and then you get to do something.
I mean a good player would choose to pop the cards at end phase with DPE so it on them for being bad players in that situation. I think all you are required to say is "attempt to end main." in case people do have something they would like to activate for example any of the Dinomorphia fusion trap cards. it is funny though that most people get scared when they hear that since it usually means your opponent is going to evenly matched you so it may prompt them to use effects to put things in the GY they don't want banished.
this is why i always turn my toggle into on and wait until it shows Endphase to pop off their cards
I'm pretty sure the game does determine "the player is about end his or her turn" vs "the player is about to leave main phase" depending on the button you do press but im not sure
Toggling on vs auto. On tells you the end and start of every phase, Auto is just generic parts.
"Includes some counter traps"
*proceeds to show off the 16 card negate board*
lord of the heavenly prison works so well with this deck, protects set cards
summons when you flip,
sets a spell or trap on your deck
free 3k body
I haven't logged on in a bit, so genuine question. Wouldn't he just get multiple prompts if you end your phase directly? Like wouldn't it ask for main, then end? Can't remember lol
It would which is why it isn't cheating. The opponent (like many) just assumed end of mp1 = end of turn
@@MistBestWaifu yeah okay that's what I thought. My og comment was gonna be along the lines of "p sure it's not cheating since it also prompts end of turn" but I didn't want to spit out fake news.
If the opponent instead toggled on. even if gunz goes to end phase, he can still use dpe to pop self and backrow. Also, this is safer because gunz cant set cards anymore in end phase.
(Note: you really need to toggle on 'cause you will not be prompted of end phase if you didnt.)
There are many quick-effects that still activateable in end phase so know your cards.
But for cards like pandemonium that is activateable in main phase only, i should've use it then and there (cause i might lose the chance to activate it in opp. turn)
Dino waifu deck is honestly a good counter to dpe because of the traps, also you can pair it with ice dragon prison that grabs the dpe for free
Hey man have you seen Spright Live Twins?
1:38 not exactly not knowing it could either be a mis click or just don’t know why it prompted and just activated it
Doesn’t use DPE effect in the End Phase?
Well I think this is a minor issue with the master duel simulator which needs to be corrected. They need to tell the opponent player in which phase that player wants to enter. That this player here activated his dpe not in the end phase and screwed himself over, was not an illegal play. The Turn player is always allowed to continue the current phase if the opponent activates an effect at the end of that phase. While he could have waited for the end phase for the dpe. He could not do that with his halq thus "baiting" his opponent to use it.
This is not an MD issue. Rules-wise, you do not announce what phase you are entering, only that you are ending the current phase.
You never should announce which phase you are going to, it's not a rule and you can if you want, but it's actually a disadvantage.
@@imsrchris2052 If the other player asks which phase you're entering do you have to answer?
@@Dexrazor @Dex No, the only reason to do it would be as an informal shortcut if you feel revealing the information doesn't matter.
You just announce attempt to leave main? The. They respond? If they do you can continue the main even. If they pass priority back then you announce entering battle or entering end phase
Don't you always get a promt during the End Phase itself? This trick would only work on impatient people and newbies. It seems it will spectacularly backfire against good players.
Idk. I’m a pretty experienced player and I could definitely see myself falling for this every once in a while. Some decks and combos are so repetitive that I just zone out while my opponent goes off. Also yugioh players are notorious for not being able to read so they may not actually read the prompts.
I was bamboozeled , and clickbaited
A good player either interrupts a combo or goes for it at the end phase.
Btw
Master duel tells u when u going end phase or main phase 2 or battle phase the wording of the app is important just read lol
When u going to battle phase it says your opp is ending his main phase
When u going end phase it tells u
You r opp is ending his/hers turn
Ppl see ending and assume u ending ur turn lol
Proves my point that master duel players are just pressing yes and not reading
Back in my day we did this with Threatening Roar because some scrub didn't declare end of main just went into an attack right away with no indication. Sure you can enter BP but you can't attack boi.
Also drama lol
Well actually it’s best to wait on dpe on end of turn phase you can actually wait to that too, I’m surprise why those type of people are easily stuck in lower ranks
When the opponent is just bad and uses dpe in the main phase
I don’t think this is cheating because, by setting, you aren’t bluffing evenly anymore, so leave main enter battle shouldn’t affect anything
Also, I don't think it's sus cuz sure it says I'm entering battle phase but you should also announce ending main phase incase enemy wants to chain or something
You should announce plus tbh since evenly was a thing it's possible to psych out the oppent
This is why i always wait till the end phase
I've actually done this to bait i nib while playing HEROS. Big brain time
The little giggle after u said legally cheat
People don't realize this is a joke about Dkayed lol.
You only have to declare if you want to leave the main phase. Edit: any phase.
0% cheating, 100% knowing how to properly play yugioh. even duel links players have been doing this for years
Probably still get banned for that title knowing konamis history.
That's not cheating, you don't need to say what phase you want to go to. You just say "end of main". If they respond you stay in M1. If they don't respond you decide which phase to go to and announce that. Master duel got it correct here.
I miss sonic boom sound pls bring it back guns its one of ur identity
Calculator did not exist back then in 2002 LOL
No cheating. The game has the proper prompt for end phase. It maybe a "auto response system error" but not a cheat.
The end to the last duel was cRaZy
Kentregina ultimate mecha dino waifu
Ah, the gool ol' Dkayed click bait title.
Im convinced dinomorphia is a very gigachad deck, cuz you lower your own life points to summon out waifus and dinosaurs.
Sonic Boom at 7:23
guy should of just waited for it to enter end phase, guy just jumped the gun or is bad hahah
We lost another one to skill drain :(
Red reboot is kinda nice wit this deck
I mean technically you can make ur opponent think you might be going to ep irl LEGALLY by saying “end of m1?”
EDIT: I didn’t watch all the way through lol
I love ur content c :
i wish I had the mental fortitude but honestly things like legal cheating,adventure and whatnot keep me from getting into the game competitively.
I’ll leave it to the pros✨
If you ask me it's not cheating first cuz "should"
You were already legally cheating you were using skill drain
I dont see it as cheating. I see it as players not having common sense😭😭all u did was bait when he should’ve simply waited til end phase to activate his quick affect
legal cheating? dkay would be proud lol
Dkayed would be proud
Personally I always say "end Main 1?" because of things like this, it won me some games because it's bluffing Evenly. I've seen multiple other people do this and I never even thought about it being illegal. I'm interested to see if a judge responds to this vid.
That's the correct way of doing things. at 4:42 where he shows it saying "The turn player should announce "I'm entering the Battle Phase"", that's the start step of the battle phase. So after main has successfully ended you have to properly tell the opponent what phase it is now, but until then you don't have to specify where you're going.
Seems completely fine to me
CREZY BOXXU!
Baited? Oh no
I did that to my opponent. Opponent use their ash blossom on my adventure. Once they saw the map and they just surrender.
Oh nooo they gonna cancel you now
funny title
Very legal.
Aye I'm the 875th like, same number as your LP at start of vid.
So with this video if you try that on a recorded duel. Ending main phase" and trying to make your opponent thinking your ending your turn. Would be treated as cheating with the attempt to deceive. It is up to both players to make things clear. But you as the starter with video attempt to show of conecpt you by konami can be seen as a cheat. Be careful mate. I honestly would stay away from this kind of content showing a "loophole" in the game(s)
Not true, you and your opponent only have to consent to the ending of the phase, which you will then follow by announcing whether it is the battle phase or the end phase, as evidenced by how all forms of Yugioh simulators-- Including official Konami ones, such as MD, Legacy of the Duelist, etc-- Merely state that you are ending the main phase when they pass priority to the opponent. This is distinct from the issue with a certain other community member stating that you need not specify which effect of Fateful you are declaring, as both of those effects are distinct, while the act of ending the main phase is identical, regardless of which phase you enter immediately following it.
In effect, you must decide which effect of Fateful you are using at activation, due to their different activation legalities, while you do not declare the phase you are entering until after the current phase ends. ("Ending main phase; Response?" -> "Yes, go ahead"/"Before the main phase ends, I activate [Effect]" -> [Turn player can decide to continue MP if the opponent DID declare an activation/effect; Loop back to the first step of this chain if so, or they can simply end the phase] -> "The Battle Phase has begun; Response?"/"The End Phase has begun; Response?")
In case yon't like long paragraphs, no it isn't cheating to say "attempt to end my main phase", it is even encouraged to say that instead of "entering my battlephase" because you're giving additional info that opponent doesn't have to know
Distantcoder and all the other tcg cringe ppl gonna come after you hard af after this one oh hell nah
Found dkayed simp. Here's your dlm coin.
Clearly he's being ironic unlike Dkayed. Distantcoder only came for Dkayed because he was unironically advocating for cheating. Also, unlike Dkayed, Guns actually took the time to check whether this play was legal irl rather than arguing with judges, dismissing Konamis official guidelines and doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on an incorrect play.
@@MistBestWaifu dkayed never advocated for cheating in the tcg, he said legally cheat in master duel. There are exploits you can use in master duel that you cannot do in the tcg, its that simple. He never said you can lie about which effect you're using in the tcg, and somehow distantcoder and his fans can't understand this!
@@MistBestWaifu i mean he is doing the same thing dkayed did which was say “you can do this in this game because you only state you’re ending main phase and not entering battle phase” and dkayed did the same by stating “you can do this because you only state you’re activating the effect and not specifically which effect” saying “hey that’s illegal is just dumb as shit because clearly it is allowed because that is how konami has intended the game to run so even stating “cheating” is just weird, distantcoder and everyone else just act like they know everything when something doesn’t go as “intended by how they think it should” it’s a problem lol this is another scenario, “should state you’re entering battle phase” is not the same as “must state you’re entering battle phase” for a card game that relies heavily on wording on the cards themselves the rules seem to have wording that dictate other things also
@@Sinrix The way the adventure question works is you put the card on the table, then you can either activate Adventure's spell search or pass priority, then after you get priority back (And it's open game state) you can use the monster search. Dkayed said "You can act like you're using the spell search, but really you use the monster search", which is an illegal play because you did not pass priority, and thus you're not yet able to use the monster search. He also pretty clearly said "You can do this in the TCG and it's okay", which was wrong.
What Guns said was "You only need to declare you're ending your main phase, not if you're going to BP or End", which is true and how it works in the TCG. The part in the rulebook where it said you should say "I'm entering my battle phase" was at the start of BP, not on trying to end main. The mistake his opponent made was using DPE on end of main, thus allowing him to continue MP1 (He chose not to) rather than waiting until after the end phase had started to use the effect.
Need to be careful sharing legal cheating videos the paper players are a fragile bunch.
It's not cheating at all, you dont have to specify what phase you're going into when you leave the main phase in paper play. The reason people don't really do this "trick" irl is because it only works on master duel scrubs who click the button when it appears on screen ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Dlm coin?
Dkayed: please say sike right now.