Changes come anew to San Francisco Castro District

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  • Опубликовано: 30 окт 2024

Комментарии • 187

  • @Dweller415
    @Dweller415 2 года назад +38

    The vibe in the Castro is completely different today.
    I personally appreciate that we have moved on from having ‘gay’ spaces or ‘straight’ spaces. We only need non judgmental spaces.

    • @silentmajority8365
      @silentmajority8365 2 года назад +1

      If that were true all of Hollywood would have come out of the closet
      If I were willing to face legal battles I could out some of the biggest names
      They are hiding because they value their money and career over your so called pride
      The world has not changed
      The only thing that has changed is your side runs the media and gives the illusion more agree with you
      Also if diversity was working so well There would be no attacks on Asians by blks
      You people live in Unicorn land

    • @TheIvyLens
      @TheIvyLens 2 года назад +10

      “Straight” spaces, cmon Mary 🥸

    • @e.tezani3877
      @e.tezani3877 2 года назад +4

      Tell people you vote libertarian and see how "tolerant" they are.

  • @jackowen-parker2493
    @jackowen-parker2493 2 года назад +23

    I lived and worked in the Castro most of my life. I had a salon on Market for almost 30 years. I arrived in 87, and moved when the pandemic hit. Never thought I would leave.

    • @silentmajority8365
      @silentmajority8365 2 года назад

      Pandemic caused by diversity
      Now Monkey pox

    • @vision-gc4hy
      @vision-gc4hy 2 года назад +4

      Hold close the good times. Memorialize the sad times. I love The City though it is changing whole lot.

    • @JefferyEpstiensBlackBook
      @JefferyEpstiensBlackBook 8 месяцев назад

      What year did they hang those flags from the street poles?

  • @michaelhickland4450
    @michaelhickland4450 2 года назад +6

    I'm in san francisco next few day as a gay man from Ireland looking forward being immersed in the history of the castro & what a history it has

    • @123malichi
      @123malichi Год назад

      Who’d ever San Francisco now……

  • @jesseyang8172
    @jesseyang8172 2 года назад +26

    Castro welcomes more straight residents also means more gays are comfortable living elsewhere. They don’t have to be in a particular neighborhood to feel safe. This is progress.

    • @SouLoveReal
      @SouLoveReal 2 года назад

      Not for those with "gay ghetto" mentality. I know this. I live here. Gays WHINE too much about everything.

    • @joaqueen
      @joaqueen 2 года назад

      yes!

    • @raymarsh4620
      @raymarsh4620 Год назад

      No it means that gays have been divided and conquered. Now you have the trans ideology that seeks to neuter young non-gender conforming persons (and studies show that they are mostly Gay). The Gay movement succeeded in liberation when the USA was predominantly White. Now with the demographic shift, more Muslims and Latinos means more oppression.

  • @manchuratt8900
    @manchuratt8900 2 года назад +24

    1:14 not true. Most of the world doesn't or know the Castro.

    • @psychoticdaizyproductions569
      @psychoticdaizyproductions569 2 года назад +3

      The most San Franciscan statement I've ever heard haha

    • @SouLoveReal
      @SouLoveReal 2 года назад +4

      @@psychoticdaizyproductions569: I'm a gay man. I've lived here since August of 1981, and
      TRUST YOU/ME... The Castro is SO over-rated, and by now, just plain TIRED. And all that
      RAINBOW-EVERYTHING is just NAUSEATING.

    • @chicharito417
      @chicharito417 2 года назад +4

      Yes just learned about the Castro today. Got here because I was searching Fidel Castro

    • @duermedespierto
      @duermedespierto Год назад +1

      I lived in Europe, South America, Central America, and North America and didn't know about the castro

  • @Jeff-uj8xi
    @Jeff-uj8xi 2 года назад +6

    The acronym LGBTQIA stands for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, (questioning), intersex, asexual, and (agender). This is the first time I ever heard the letters IA added to it. When were they added? I had to look it up.
    I'm 3,000 miles away and I know what and where the Castro is in San Francisco. I've visited there a few times over the years. Perhaps the only thing like it on the East Coast would be Greenwich Village in New York City.

    • @piercebales9546
      @piercebales9546 Год назад +1

      Actually the true meaning is Loony, Goofy, Banal and Tedious. Is that awful? I can't tell.

  • @Kevindevin7
    @Kevindevin7 2 года назад +37

    I mean a welcome change would be more diversity in the Castro. Yes, it’s a symbol of LGBTQIA+ rights but it’s severely white male dominated. Rarely BIPOC, rarely trans, rarely lesbian.

    • @707tgreennorcal7
      @707tgreennorcal7 2 года назад

      BIPOC is a term white people use ! I bet you're white!

    • @sonej.4486
      @sonej.4486 2 года назад

      More letters? What does the 'IA' stand for? Ignorant agenda. So ridiculous.

    • @silentmajority8365
      @silentmajority8365 2 года назад +1

      Maybe because white guys work?

    • @Kevindevin7
      @Kevindevin7 2 года назад

      @@silentmajority8365 that’s interesting because most of the people complaining about rent increasing are white guys who can’t afford it. So sounds like they don’t work enough. 🙃😂

    • @Kevindevin7
      @Kevindevin7 2 года назад +3

      @@sonej.4486 you literally sound like an old white guy, “back in my day it was only gay and lesbians.” THIS is exactly why the new people in the Castro want to change.

  • @justinkey3181
    @justinkey3181 2 года назад +9

    This is ridiculous. These heterosexual men discriminate against gay men have a lot of nerve saying the Castro is isn't diverse. Heterosexual Democratic men are the biggest hypocrites.

  • @paulhorn27
    @paulhorn27 Год назад +3

    San Francisco is so played out. It's done. Just for rich people now.

  • @mrsleep0000
    @mrsleep0000 2 года назад +10

    And here I was hoping the change was getting rid of the two old naked guys at Market and Castro.

    • @dolfoboynas9583
      @dolfoboynas9583 Год назад +1

      Those two tired old queens need to retire those wrinkled sun damaged naked bumms…🙄🙄

  • @undiscloseduser2004
    @undiscloseduser2004 2 года назад +25

    The last remarks made me tear up, thank you to those who made my life better; born in 1986 here, you did excellent work, hopefully we can work together to keep the Castro special.
    This is San Francisco , we are all diverse already, this video is meant to emphasize the history and what the future in relation to celebrating that history will consist of with the main emphasis on other Timeline pieces such as China Town. The Goal is to maintain a STRONG SENSE OF THE HISTORY again, just like China Town, just like the Mission, just like Bayview etc.

    • @silentmajority8365
      @silentmajority8365 2 года назад +1

      Isn't having only one type of persons in an area racist?
      Chinatown? Can I have a white town?
      Its ok to have a gay area? What about a straight district?
      Diversity has divided us to the point of collapse
      If you don't see you are not paying attention

    • @undiscloseduser2004
      @undiscloseduser2004 2 года назад +1

      @@silentmajority8365 LOL. you are missing the point; your comment reminded me of someone who mentioned that we shouldn't have a black history month and the person added that we should have a White History Month, again, missing the point of celebrating HISTORY; THE POINT IS H.I.S.TOR.Y.

    • @silentmajority8365
      @silentmajority8365 2 года назад +1

      @@undiscloseduser2004 Holidays based on race when claiming race should not matter is ridiculous
      You are missing the point
      Read all the posts on these stories
      Diversity means to divide You did it
      Instead of thinking of us as all Americans we have those that think of their sexuality over patriotism. Theyd swear allegiance to Stalin if they could prance if their self made camps
      There are those that think of this area completely as Hispanic etc
      All the attacks on Asians have been by blacks hence the lack of suspect pictures
      Media wants you to think racism is only a white thing. The attacks prove diversity not working and will require force and the loss of civil rights to preserve
      Like TSA searches having committed no crime
      Take those Ukrainians that are back fighting for their other country
      At a time when America needs strong men to lead and help raise the next generation their loyalty is to the country they left
      People come to America to get what they can but their loyalty lies elsewhere
      Covid entered because Chinese that claimed they fled China but return to vacation and brought back covid
      Lastly there is no way you are a straight man with a family hence your bewilderment to how normal people think

    • @undiscloseduser2004
      @undiscloseduser2004 2 года назад +1

      @@silentmajority8365 wow, you really are wasting your Saturday typing this long of a response? We agree to disagree, have a wonderful Saturday!

    • @wakeup3581
      @wakeup3581 2 года назад +2

      Speak for yourself because that is not my goal. My goal would be to make the city safe and desirable again. History is history for a reason and we don’t always need to cling onto it to try and preserve it otherwise how would we progress and believe it or not what we’re seeing in the Castro is progression because keeping things the way they were is just weird and gross not to mention divides the community.

  • @KB-im8ui
    @KB-im8ui 2 года назад +22

    the Castro used to a regular working class family neighborhood, and will be again in the future. You can't stop changes.

    • @silentmajority8365
      @silentmajority8365 2 года назад +1

      You can but will they?

    • @hppavilionf50
      @hppavilionf50 2 года назад +7

      Condos sell for 600K and above. That's not working class by any means.

  • @Mrmudbone_gaming
    @Mrmudbone_gaming 2 года назад +12

    Ahh but it’s good to change the mission district from its Latino heritage? Ok ok. I see how it is.

    • @silentmajority8365
      @silentmajority8365 2 года назад +4

      I love it when sacred cows do battle

    • @wakeup3581
      @wakeup3581 2 года назад +2

      I’m all for switching both! Both neighborhoods are trash!!

    • @AntonioPeralesdelHierro
      @AntonioPeralesdelHierro 7 месяцев назад

      When the Mission Latinos get rid of their rash, narrow minded, homophobic/anti feminist and anti-intellectual super-macho style politics they will progress, and not until. Leave no doubt unturned.

  • @jackskellington9195
    @jackskellington9195 2 года назад +25

    In 1980 I was 21 and I remember it was amazing to go to there and finding out how many other people were just like me
    I had come from a small conservative town, it was a magical place in a magical time
    As with all of America it lost its luster as time went by

    • @silentmajority8365
      @silentmajority8365 2 года назад +7

      AIDS 🤣🤣

    • @jackskellington9195
      @jackskellington9195 2 года назад +12

      @@silentmajority8365
      Aren’t you a sad person

    • @AM-nh6oz
      @AM-nh6oz 2 года назад +2

      @@silentmajority8365 🗑️

    • @silentmajority8365
      @silentmajority8365 2 года назад +1

      @@jackskellington9195 I'm happy the left is imploding
      The woke attacking each other
      So far AIDS has killed 36 million people
      AIDS lives naturally in Chimps
      Now Monkey Pox is infecting you
      Both diseases from Africa both involve prim8tes So which one of you had relations with those animals?

    • @silentmajority8365
      @silentmajority8365 2 года назад +1

      @@AM-nh6oz AIDS MONKEY POX both infecting this crowd
      God trying to get your attention

  • @raymarsh4620
    @raymarsh4620 Год назад +2

    Gay people need somewhere to call their own. Before the Gays it was the Irish in the Castro. Gays need straight-free spaces to try and really understand who they are.

  • @jannyzhingaz9562
    @jannyzhingaz9562 2 года назад +4

    i sincerely hope they turn that space into condos i mean that's what's trendy now days my darlings!!
    like a 5 story modern building on that corner would be real chic
    with a Starbucks on the corner of the first floor
    and cozy one bedroom tastefully decorated units for single self-centered men with nice balconies overlooking market and Castroland
    it would be a nice addition to the neighborhood

    • @duermedespierto
      @duermedespierto Год назад +1

      who would want to move there with all the homeless and drug addicts taking over the streets? It is sad that such a beautiful city is now ruined

  • @asteverino8569
    @asteverino8569 3 месяца назад +1

    The Castro will always be a fond place in my heart and life.
    I lived in SF from 1977-1991.

  • @stevehazlewood2960
    @stevehazlewood2960 2 года назад +5

    house prices in SF is what is changing the area

  • @melindaranallo4344
    @melindaranallo4344 2 года назад +3

    Why be upset straight couples are moving in?

    • @SouLoveReal
      @SouLoveReal 2 года назад

      @ Melinda Ranallo: The "answer" is hidden right there in your questions. The Gays complain about EVERYTHING.

  • @Pheebe.Dee.
    @Pheebe.Dee. 2 года назад +17

    The Castro District is the stepping stone of all 🏳️‍🌈LGBTQ 🏳️‍🌈 communities across America. It would be a shame if gentrification took over this iconic neighborhood.

    • @copusmultimedia
      @copusmultimedia 2 года назад +5

      Wonder if you said that about Western Addition, Hayes Valley, Bayview, Haight area (upper & lower), etc.?

    • @Mrmudbone_gaming
      @Mrmudbone_gaming 2 года назад +8

      But it’s okay to gentrify the mission district and strip it from its Latino heritage?

    • @silentmajority8365
      @silentmajority8365 2 года назад +1

      @@Mrmudbone_gaming There is a pecking order in PC
      Who did Whoopi offend? J
      Who did Kevin Hart offend? G
      Who did Roseanne offend ? B
      Why tea is dead last
      Hispanics are above whites but below Asians
      Diversity is destroying this country too many conflicting groups

    • @silentmajority8365
      @silentmajority8365 2 года назад +5

      Gentrification is the legal process to improve property you own to sell at a profit
      in 1964 Americans lost the right to decide who they rented or sold houses to
      Now you want to tell them what they can do with their own property
      You don't want equals rights you want special rights and you want the last word on every issue and every issue viewed thru the gay lens

    • @angelsaidferreira5193
      @angelsaidferreira5193 2 года назад +1

      @@silentmajority8365 that’s why we need more gay proprietaries on castro

  • @nightowl5475
    @nightowl5475 Год назад +2

    The Castro area has become so commercialized. There’s a totally different vibe there today. Corporate America is cashing in on the gay thing. It’s now like shirts are made with rainbow flags, stickers, jewelry, etc. it’s like your favorite baseball team. You like the Yankees, ohh, I’m a Red Sox fan! I’m happy for the equality but if your looking for the same vibe that was around during the 70’s, you won’t find that in the Castro today.

  • @coisalinda2424
    @coisalinda2424 Год назад +2

    It’s very sad to walk through Castro Street now there is no more soul there no more good 😢energy. There is no more cruising but you’ll find bunch of empty souls.

  • @daniellebaca4535
    @daniellebaca4535 2 года назад +10

    My grandpa lived in this neighborhood before it was known for its lgbtqia history

  • @jasjas7232
    @jasjas7232 2 года назад +7

    I hear a bunch of LGBTQs have moved to Vallejo and they are working hard to clean up the city. Good for them.

    • @ralphw7454
      @ralphw7454 2 года назад +4

      Lies all lies… nothing has really improved here. 🤣

    • @jasjas7232
      @jasjas7232 2 года назад +2

      @@ralphw7454 Oh yes it has compared to 7 years ago. Mare Island is having more businesses moving in and the new convention center being built.

    • @ralphw7454
      @ralphw7454 2 года назад +1

      @@jasjas7232 mare island is its own thing and been having plans to be revamped. But if you want to talk about everything along Sonoma blvd from Rancho all the way towards downtown, and all the other shopping plazas along meadows, redwood, springs and the list can go on and on….

    • @ralphw7454
      @ralphw7454 2 года назад +1

      @@jasjas7232 It’s hysterical you want to bring up mare island AS Vallejo. Because mare island was pretty much its own town until the naval base closed, it was handed over to Vallejo. But for YEARS… no development has happened at all.
      Plus there’s barely anything there at all. It’s definitely growing but what about the other side across the Napa river? The ACTUAL CITY VALLEJO!?
      It was only recently that mare island gained some changes. But what about the rest of Vallejo as a WHOLE city? Any improvements? No… the VCUSD, not doing so well either. Have you seen these streets? Some of these streets haven’t been repaired for years. Let’s talk about the crime which is pretty much all over the Bay Area but it’s definitely gotten worse in Vallejo.
      Sure some new big box retail shops have opened but many many small businesses and others have closed. Majority of the city has empty, run down and dead shopping plazas.
      So to point out mare island as an improvement, sure, that’s great and everything. But Vallejo, as the city itself, hasn’t improved. Plus, not many people have access to mare island. There’s only a particular demographic that feels included or able to enjoy the pleasure of taking up the space there.
      I don’t live in Vallejo anymore but my parents still do. I live and work in Napa.
      that’s why it’s so interesting to see improvements with neighboring cities like American Canyon, Fairfield, Benicia and Suisun. It’s crazy like night and day how Vallejo still is struggling.
      Vallejo is filled with amazing people though! But it’s not fair to say that Mare Island’s improvement, is an improvement for Vallejo. Because realistically, it isn’t. It is for only a small fraction of the population that has access to enjoy. While the rest of the actual existing city of Vallejo, gets left behind. definitely isn’t fair either.
      BAM*

    • @jasjas7232
      @jasjas7232 2 года назад +1

      @@ralphw7454 Ok easy on the hatorade and those aren’t neighboring cities, towns at best. You will see in 10 years what gentrification is all about.

  • @dingodingo82
    @dingodingo82 2 года назад +7

    I for one welcome more different types of people to the Castro to live and work, play

    • @silentmajority8365
      @silentmajority8365 2 года назад +1

      AIDS covid Monkey Pox 🤣🤣

    • @hughjanous95128
      @hughjanous95128 2 года назад

      Good, bulldoze that entire neighborhood along with every gay flag. Literally nothing about what that area represents is something to have "pride" in,, especially for a whole damn month

  • @irishledden4924
    @irishledden4924 Год назад +1

    Being sexually challenged is NOTHING to be "proud" of.

  • @juanmanueljauregui8828
    @juanmanueljauregui8828 2 года назад +3

    Well who can live there it’s so expensive! For what it is now.

  • @jameslatief1
    @jameslatief1 2 года назад +1

    i don't care if they are having gay sex, please wear protection and don't let monkeypox be inaccurately associated with homosexuals.

  • @pabloamericano4930
    @pabloamericano4930 2 года назад +1

    No more sexual-preference themed cities in California. It doesn’t help. Be gay in your home.

  • @wakeup3581
    @wakeup3581 2 года назад +3

    That man is so out of touch with reality that he believes everyone in the world knows about the Castro. Wrong! It ain’t that special.

  • @TeddyBelcher4kultrawide
    @TeddyBelcher4kultrawide 2 года назад +8

    I have 0 pride

  • @thedevilisupinyou8381
    @thedevilisupinyou8381 2 года назад +4

    The alphabet gang take over

  • @ryanoneal8421
    @ryanoneal8421 2 года назад +1

    Growing up here was horrible. So many pretentious dramatic people

  • @JoeRogansGutBiome
    @JoeRogansGutBiome 2 года назад +5

    God forbid the focus on Sunnydale or Bayview mission where real help is needed

    • @sueprator9314
      @sueprator9314 2 года назад +2

      Right on The CASTRO used to be called Eureka Valley before and many native SFers grew up there. It wasn't always a gay enclave.

    • @silentmajority8365
      @silentmajority8365 2 года назад +1

      Fruit run the media and most of government

  • @reggiegeorges5850
    @reggiegeorges5850 2 года назад +1

    Atty Supervisor Fr. John D George fought for 🏳️‍🌈 Liberation and Freedom Rights just has hard and as much as Supervisor Harvey Milk. 💙🖤💚

  • @qjones6109
    @qjones6109 2 года назад +1

    This guy is a hero. 3:00

  • @jarrodyuki7081
    @jarrodyuki7081 2 года назад +2

    gentrify the city.

  • @luislaplume8261
    @luislaplume8261 2 года назад +1

    Easy to get there by electric bus via double overhead wires and trolleys on Market Street that intersect at Castro St.

    • @Jeff-uj8xi
      @Jeff-uj8xi 2 года назад

      And do I ever love MUNI's electric trolley coaches, streetcars and light rail. With the rip-off prices of gasoline and diesel fuel these days, those electric transit vehicles {BART too} are a blessing. And now they are electrifying CalTrain. The electricity that powers MUNI's fleet is generated by hydro electric generation.....totally green and clean.
      Yes, the Castro is at the end of the MUNI's F streetcar line. Not only are they running ex-Philadelphia trolleys on the F Line, but ex-Newark, New Jersey trolleys too. I rode those PCC cars in Philly and Newark for decades.

  • @TeddyBelcher4kultrawide
    @TeddyBelcher4kultrawide 2 года назад +5

    Pay to eat in the Street

  • @lastonanisland1111
    @lastonanisland1111 2 года назад +5

    Gay

  • @giftedgreen2152
    @giftedgreen2152 2 года назад +13

    I’ve never even been to the Castro. I’d rather go anywhere else.

    • @Jnthncrrll
      @Jnthncrrll 2 года назад

      OH YOU SHUT UP, YOU FUCKING RACIST TRUMP SUPPORTER FREAK!!!!!

    • @TheLIRRFrenchie...
      @TheLIRRFrenchie... 2 года назад +15

      Awesome. Why did we need to know this 🤔?? Perhaps it's best for people like you NOT to come to Castro.

    • @copusmultimedia
      @copusmultimedia 2 года назад +2

      I'm sure it's complicated.

    • @ricarellan
      @ricarellan 2 года назад +1

      Time for you to come out. You’d fit right in.

    • @silentmajority8365
      @silentmajority8365 2 года назад +2

      @@TheLIRRFrenchie... But you'll visit Uranus

  • @endtimesclips896
    @endtimesclips896 2 года назад +2

    SICK !! judgement is upon the land and we decerive it...

  • @MrColdwatercanyon
    @MrColdwatercanyon 2 года назад +3

    GotAidsYet ?

  • @hayabusa27
    @hayabusa27 2 года назад +2

    They want to protest who they are?!
    🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂

  • @victor77777771
    @victor77777771 2 года назад +7

    All The Rainbow Groomers should
    move to Cuba with Fidel Castro

    • @reggiegeorges5850
      @reggiegeorges5850 2 года назад

      🏳️‍🌈🌀 SF Warriors 🏀 🩸 comes against all your fears. Fear is a liar. Phobia is a Liar. 🇳🇬

    • @silentmajority8365
      @silentmajority8365 2 года назад +3

      @@reggiegeorges5850 Phobia is fear we are not afraid just nauseated

  • @omnigeddon
    @omnigeddon 2 года назад +5

    Wow unbelievable.. and that's why Freddie Mercury's passed wow..

  • @GKP999
    @GKP999 2 года назад +1

    Harry! Ghee!

  • @piercebales9546
    @piercebales9546 Год назад +1

    I remember when Bobby Kennedy gave a speech in front of the Hibernia bank at 18th and Castro. Before he went to L. A. in '68, when it was Eureka Valley and straight.

  • @Leomerya12
    @Leomerya12 2 года назад +3

    Honestly, SF sucks in general.
    I'm from NYC, live in Berkeley, work in SF, and I think Berkeley is FAAARRR superior (not to NYC, though).

  • @GoWokeGoBrokeTrump47
    @GoWokeGoBrokeTrump47 2 года назад +3

    *🙊 pox running rampant*

    • @silentmajority8365
      @silentmajority8365 2 года назад +1

      From Africa like African swine fever research
      Open borders diversity destroying America

  • @silentmajority8365
    @silentmajority8365 2 года назад +3

    California famous for its fruits and nuts

  • @miketyson8807
    @miketyson8807 2 года назад +5

    Disgusting

    • @reggiegeorges5850
      @reggiegeorges5850 2 года назад

      🌀🥊🥊

    • @silentmajority8365
      @silentmajority8365 2 года назад +1

      YES

    • @danityvanityinsanity
      @danityvanityinsanity 6 месяцев назад

      What is? Their mere existence? They’re just walking around living their lives authentically. You act like they’re “doing it in the road”!

  • @cynthiajones4332
    @cynthiajones4332 2 года назад +2

    Heaven or hell? Have you ever lied, stolen used God's name as a curse word (O-M-G)? According to God's law, you're guilty. But wait, God loves you, he made a way out. God so loved the world that he gave his only son that whoever believes in him will not die but have everlasting life. John 3:16 Please think about it. Repent/believe before the rapture, before the one world government. Jesus died for you,live for him. Love U

    • @nightowl5475
      @nightowl5475 Год назад

      Stop preaching. If you are into that, go to church.

  • @miketyson8807
    @miketyson8807 2 года назад +4

    That is why God made hellfire for 😂😂😂

    • @reggiegeorges5850
      @reggiegeorges5850 2 года назад

      The Blood 🩸 of The San Francisco State WARRIORS coming for you. Believe For it.👨‍❤️‍👨🌀🎇

    • @silentmajority8365
      @silentmajority8365 2 года назад +1

      @@reggiegeorges5850 You are coming on each other

    • @hughjanous95128
      @hughjanous95128 2 года назад

      Lols yooo

    • @danityvanityinsanity
      @danityvanityinsanity 6 месяцев назад

      Then why is it STRAIGHT to hell and not GAY to hell?!