I know I'm only first year computer engineer, who actually signed up for mechanical first semester because of projects i did in hs that involved a lot of cadding and mechanical knowledge, I took a programming course (C) in that first semester and it i loved it so much I gave up all my novice mechanical knowledge to learn software/hardware. But after been through 2 semesters and self learning I will tell you it is a whole other ballpark, constantly learning, it always feels like youre only learning 2% of something, so this masters is great but keep in mind you will need to do A LOT to be actually productive, so best of luck man
Tamer, honestly speaking you have essentially been my guidance counselor since I found your channel, and I thank you for it. You demonstrate that you are looking to best further your career and life aspirations, thus improving one's knowledge of hardware and software is an excellent idea. I would HIGHLY recommend that you try and find a work-study program granted they are offered in Canada (I'm not sure as I am not from Canada). You get to work in a career that is in your field whilst improving your knowledge and skills as a well-rounded engineer (which is covered by your employer). Best of luck to you and your future aspirations.
While you certainly don't have to do a masters, it almost seems like the engineering industry is suffering from the Canadian business of further education. They just pump people out without any concern for actual roles available to fill, but in this shitty economy, it might give you a better edge on paper. But be aware that having a masters won't automatically grant a higher pay, but it will offer you some interviews. Crazy times in this country right now.
@@randomguy-pj4kj you're not wrong. We progressively move the goalposts but the economy is generally getting more leechy off the backs of the middle class. We never recover fully after the crashes...
I disagree, doing a masters can actually hurt you because you're viewed as somewhat overqualified for engineering positions and definitely over qualified for technologist positions. Plus an employer may be confused on how your bachelors is in mechanical but your masters is in electrical... makes no sense. There's not going to be nearly as much practical skill development doing a masters as opposed to college.
@@jon5833 I see your point of view too. Sadly I cannot guarantee what will work because I'm not a hiring manager haha. At this point, everything is a shot in the dark as we're in the midst of changing times. What worked for our parents doesn't work for us anymore, and it's a gamble at best. Personally, I would not do the Masters. But I also know people who got solid jobs because of the Masters degree. There's no silver bullet in any of this.
15k is not bad compare to other school too. I been in the same spot but I’m in the economics field getting a masters in quantitative economics. Going thru the pros and cons can be quite the headache just from looking at the labor market I forecast an increase in unemployment for the next three years and after the fourth year the market will be demanding more labor. I also calculated other stuff before making the choice. I’m probably just overthinking stuff 🤷🏽♂️ Just wanted to share and say “I know the feeling”
I think you should go to college if you want practical skills, you could get a diploma in 1 year or less and it would broaden your career opportunities and would cost way less. Just my thought... I went to College & Uni
Run the fade with the masters. You'll come out smarter despite anything man, im aiming for a masters in CE myself. Shoot for it man, money ain't a thing if you broke you can be smart and broke, lets get it!
I wanna be a jack of all trades engineer in technology, so I kinda get where you're coming from. I studied physics and mathematics and now im doing a masters in electrical engineering, more toward the signal analysis and software side. Usually, when you join as a non degree, you will be limited to at most 3 courses
@chibuezendiokwelu63 it was the same school where I did my undergrad. Applying wasnt too difficult, and they have preference when you're pursuing grad studies at the same uni
I think this is a good step in the right direction. I would say this Masters will help you in the long run. I am doing the same thing you’re doing. I am doing a MS in ECE as well. It has been very beneficial and serves my interests well. You will expect often more attention from recruiters or get interviews easier and a pay bump if it is related to the field. I wish you success to your future endeavors inshallah.
Hey Tamer! I think that's a great plan. Instead of asking "what might this demographic of employers want", you go "what would be really cool". That sense of ownership of your learning and field of curiosity is great. Excited for you ✌
Honestly dude, I thought about going back for my masters. And I'm still thinkin about going back. But not because i want the extra money or to advance my career, its more for my own personal growth. Having worked in the industry now, a masters will probably hinder your career in way that takes away your time to excel in the actual industry. My colleages and professors have told me you will probably not use a majority of what you learned in engineering school and they were correct for the most part. I think school tuaght me more to be intuitively inclinced as an engineer. So in my opinion, if anyone goes for their masters it should be for the love of engineering not to excel your career
I completed my bachelor's in mechanical engineering last week. Got my results yesterday and scored a GPA of 3.67. I'm happy with it but I'm kind of confused as well on what to pursue in the future. Although I initially planned on doing my masters in aerospace engineering but when you mentioned the word "hell", I could relate to that. The 4 years were honestly nothing less than a hell and opting for aerospace is like going into that hell again. I've been considering to pursue an MBA instead in operations management. Now I don't know if that's worth it or not but in my bachelors I studied a course called "Operations management" where we learned stuff regarding supply chain, inventory management, project management and a tons of other stuff. That caught my interest and I did really good in that course. The stuff we studied was amazing and that's one of the reasons why I'm considering to do an MBA in it. Why don't you consider MBA as well if it aligns with your interest? I'd like someone in the comment section to advice me as well on whether MBA is a good choice after BE in mechanical engineering or not?
Congratulations bro. From my experience as I had worked in engineering role in a maintenance company, If you go with MBA or whatever management master, your opportunities will more as engineering-managment roles. But if you go with masters of X engineering your opportunities will be more likely in research-field,lecturer at university, or advanced job high positions that require the master level like a position of head of engineering dept.
@@ahmedalzoyed9525Yess. Honestly speaking, I don't want to put myself into that hell again by getting a masters in aerospace lol. I'd rather go for an MBA in supply chain instead. It seems like a really interesting field and it caught my interest as I said before. I'm looking to pursue roles that are related to engineering management tbh. It aligns perfectly with my interest. So how's your job going in the maintenance company you mentioned?
I did think about an MBA too, but the thing is I don't know how useful it would actual be? Because the most useful business knowledge comes from actual building businesses instead of studying it? I could be wrong tho but I genuinely don't know much about MBAs
As someone that is about to enroll is a Masters of Systems Engineering (undergraduate was MechE like you as well.) I accepted the bid granted my company is likely going to pay for it in whole (assuming grades are good and I stay under a spending cap per year) I am doing it for a similiar reason. I feel comfortable was software and electrical sides of things now, but would in the space industry want to be dynamic and have a larger tool box of understanding to open my career pathways up more. If you end up doing it goodluck!
tamer have you considered doing a college diploma in computer/software engineering? this would technically give you the most hands on experience while being the cheapest option. It seems like you dont really care about having a masters degree and are doing all this to become a more well rounded engineer, so imo a college diploma could be something to consider.
This idea is great. If you don't mind can you elaborate on this topic. Please. I mean what are the requirements what is the duration and how much does it cost. Thanks
I actually hadn't considered that before tbh but imma look into it. My only concern is how would hiring managers look at a college diploma? Would they think less of someone that has a masters from a college instead of a university?
@@TamerShaheenI study mechatronics engineering and I'm always afraid that hiring managers would consider those with specilized degrees over mechatronic degree
Having gone through the hell of engineering school, I'd say it is totally worth it IF you have a good advisor and project. I thought I was precise in my thinking until the grad courses smacked me in the face, and writing the thesis forced me to REALLY think about what I know. Do not think about the money aspect if at all possible. Think about the thinking. It will, if you are of the right mindset, make you a better person as well as better engineer.
Ayyyyy. I’m doing the same thing brother! Undergrad mechanical at UCLA and now Masters in EE at UCLA 😁 I’m only doing this because my company is paying for it mostly. My masters is worth around $40k USD so it is not worth it if I had to pay for it on my own. I think the theory is severely underrated. Knowing theory well sets you apart from all the other engineers and you gain a lot of trust quickly because of it. Structured classes and exams force you to learn in ways that would take you 3 times as long in the real world. The key is to actually apply what you learn instead of letting it all go to waste. I’m having the EE manager at my company help me build my curriculum because it’s very flexible. Half the people in my company have a masters or better so being part of that lower half can be a bit of a hindrance. Having the masters in electrical will also allow me to more easily position myself as a robotics engineer which I think has some major advantages.
I’m studying in the UK and it is quite common here for people to continue onto an MEng - lots of grad jobs require you to have an MEng or at least get some preference, and you also need it for chartership . I’m about to get on the mech eng MEng which is the same as what I did for my bachelor’s. What I would say is that it is a good thing that you’re not doing the same thing as you did for your undergrad, mech eng MEng with all the experience you had would’ve been a bit redundant and much more worthwhile if you wanted to go into research probably. I definitely think you should consider going for that masters, although it isn’t common in America you could also use it as your USP. Telling people you know both hardware and software aspects of engineering could really set you out and help you land way more positions and make you much more attractive in the job market. I disagree with some people saying it’s a cash grab - at the end of the day some international students will come out of their degrees not knowing anything about engineering and just claiming to be engineers. But it’s what you do with your degree and how you apply the content that matters the most. I can see that you did that with your undergrad and I think you could do it with that MEng. I’d say absolutely do it!
Yup, in my 3rd-year of eng at UW, wondering if I should do that accelerated master's program or a regular one (after an entry-lvl job for a couple years? before?), still looking into the logistics myself Great vid
Hey man,, I'm 16 and going to school in the fall for Mechanical Engineering, and a piece of advice I got from a friend who has an engineering degree and worked in the field, was to go for a Master's. He said I should do it because getting a BA was the easy part, and getting an MA would help me later down the road, All I'm saying is that if you are hesitating just because Engineering students don't typically get MAs then you should do it, because it can only help you in the future.
I believe the MASc program is a better fit due to its specialized focus and the direct mentorship from a professor. This provides valuable research skills that are highly attractive to employers. Working closely with a professor can also open doors to industry opportunities through their established connections.
Being an "Everything" Engineer is possible and there is actually a tech job for that: System Engineer, which is a little similar to a product manager but actually does engineering work. I work as a satellite system engineer at a junior level and my daily work involves overseeing and coordinating mechanical/thermal/control and electrical engineers to R&D the product(the satellite). Usually getting a master is quite important because it gives you insight on how research and industry are related, which frees you from elementary engineering works like pure CADing and gives you much more opportunity in higher level simulation/system engineering works.
Systems Engineer sounds sooo cool...I wonder how I could even break into that because a lot of ppl hiring for it would want previous systems engineer experience as well, so maybe the Master's would actual be required to become a systems engineer?
@@TamerShaheenJust in the case of a system engineer, I am quite sure a post-grad degree is necessary. Also, most of time people new to the field don't just "get hired" as a system engineer, they transition into it from their own background. I worked as an aerothermal engineer before transitioning into system engineer. In the field of aerospace/astrospace industry(that's the only field I have experience in), people usually transition into system engineers from backgrounds like power(electrical)/Guidance/Navigation/Control/astrodynamics/aeronautics/simulation engineers, which are, as you can see, not typical undergrad engineering degrees. They are all higher level and require higher level knowledge.
I think your past experience already makes you a great structural/manufacturing engineer. The most direct and most related higher level work is getting strong knowledge in solid mechanics and FEA(not undergrad level but post-grad or industry-level) and become a simulation engineer. It's closely related to CADing and manufacturing, but it's upstream, and it's higher level.
Hey man! Anyway I can message you with questions. I’m sure there is a lot of clearance stuff around it so I don’t expect specifics. I’m in the military and pursuing a systems Eng masters. I’d like to work with satellites at some point but never met anyone that actually does that to see how the job actually is. Thanks!
Thank you for the insightful relatable content. 😁I know its hard to decide but its crucial to do masters for good reasons. Im currently enrolled for masters in Mechanical engineering (MSc). Focus is on engineering materials, reliability and predictive maintenance . Since I'm involved with production and project management industry , I believe it will enhance my perspective when it comes to manufacturing and production processes. And you should go ahead with your masters , you do understand the bigger picture behind your decision to apply.
Take some community college courses that are software/electrical related. They provide practical education that is used in the field and a lot more applied knowledge making u way more valuable to employers as apposed to theory. You’ll have an idea of industry problems and gain the skills to solve them.
It all depends on what companies you work with. I used to think that having a master was rare for engineers, worked in several big corporations and most of the process engineers, module engineers, etc had all just Bachelors. That was all in the production side of things. Now I'm working at a big place that does research and development, and it seems that even the janitors have PhDs. So yeah, it all depends in which circles you move around. I don't think there is a scenario in which a Master would be detrimental, especially if you are getting it for only 15k. I would go for it.
Man I needed this. Had my bachelor's in mechanical engineering, plan on doing my masters in electrical or computer engineering next year but felt scared that I might not be cut out for it coming from a mechanical background. But seeing this video gave me more confidence in pursuing this path. Good luck
Hey Tamer, Love your stuff. Really great to see a fellow Canadian Mechanical engineer trying to learn more software. I'm on that mission too, lol. I'm doing a MASc at UofT, and one thing to let other watchers know. MASc is funded, but also not. For example at UofT you would get maybe 25-27 , but you have to pay 8k annually in tuition, which rounds out to 9k-11 k annually in terms of income. Which can be tough if you don't have money saved. You can offset this by TAing, or by taking on other on-campus jobs, but depending on your project it can be hard to do so. Now some wiz kids get tons of scholarships, but when applying I recommend all students to think about the finance part without the scholarship. I hope it was okay I dropped this here. Your video was great, I just wanted to add this tid bit regarding Canadian MASc and funding. Cheers.
i am kind of in same shoes with you only difference is im coming from from software engineering and dont know anything electric related and im trying to figure out what to do thanks for sharing your story
I too would like to pursue a masters. But at the moment I am still trying to obtain a full-time job. Been a year since graduating already and nothing yet. I would like to get into design role and I am also interested in energy field like heat transfer or fluid dynamics. As of now I am still applying and when I have a good steady income, I would like to see if I can afford or if there are offers/opportunity
At my college, almost all of the guest alumni that come to speak say that the best way to get a masters (both MEng and MBAs) is to get a company to pay it for you. But that raises a few questions for me: 1) How realistic is that (or in other words should I bet on it and tough it out in industry first)? 2) Do the speakers have rose-tinted glasses because they were fortunate to be in the right position and on the right side of a company looking to. In follow up to the previous question, considering how much has the landscape changed? Will there be stiffer competition and less opportunities?
You won't really learn real world practical skills from a master's program, honestly, I think it is a waste of time and money, but it is up to you. Gaining extra knowledge in software skills doesn't require another degree. I think you are better off getting a certificate in software engineering. I get the reason you are going for a master's is to gain skills to be a better engineer but ask yourself if that is want you really want? do you really have true passion for the master's program in Electrical/computer engineering? The economy sucks right now so you need to know if it is worth your investment, if you want the master's so you can change fields completely or get another job, then that makes more sense. You might also want to expand your options since you want remote work; highly competitive, building/designing things will require you to be at the office most of the time.
@@chibuezendiokwelu63 So this is for prospective students, usually undergraduate (about to start their degree or just started), companies hire you with a work study arrangement., for example (you work part time for them, and they pay for your school as well as your wage. Orrr they pay for your school and want you to come back work for them. Very rare but it happens.
That's what a university is and should be about lmao. I don't understand people who go there "against their will", just to check and box. If you don't want to do it for knowledge, your life will be full of negativity.
Even if he is doing for extra knowledge what is wrong with that, hey doesn't need to go to a university to be considered a Software Engineer, if a person is able to build and design software you are considered a software engineer.
Id love to do projects with you as I commented earlier I'm doing a post bacc in computer engineering but In my IT bachelor's I focused on a lot.of web Development and software if you want the highest chance for remote work then definitely need to stick closer to the software. That does not mean if you deal with hardware you can get a remote job you definitely can especially if you do embbeded software engineering or PCB design, or something where your not dealing with expensive large hardware like fpgas. PCB design and embbeded software engineering is where I'm looking to go to for my field. I have a startup in web dev but tbh the future out look of web imo isn't looking to good. Front end is changing to fast and every 3 months your outdated @@TamerShaheen
I think one of the biggest benefits of a masters is the ability to switch fields within a relatively short period of time. Also, atleast in the US, many employers require a masters to take on any form of management
coursework based masters is useless man. complete waste of time and money. those programs only exist in canada to collect money from international students
@@ReussirSonProjetEtudesAuCanada A MASc requires you to write a thesis which involves doing a research project. I did my MASc at a research facility where I got some practical real life engineering experience. You don't get any practical experience from doing a coursework based masters so it's not very useful.
@@ReussirSonProjetEtudesAuCanada the coursework you take in undergrad prepares you for a career as an engineer. one more of year of classes will not be more beneficial than a year of work experience. there is also far less graduate level classes than undergrad, and therefore most MEng students end up taking quite a few classes they don't care about, just because they need to take 8 classes. in MASc you only take 4 classes, and the skills you develop during the thesis process actually do provide a tangible benefit to your career, and open doors to positions in research which would otherwise be unavailable. you will also probably present your research at conferences, at which you will make many connections with people who are working as engineers or researchers in your field, and could hire you after you complete the MASc. I know many people who got their jobs from people they met at conferences.
Have you considered pursuing an undergraduate certificate? As a mechanical engineer from Quebec, I can share from my own experience that I gained many valuable hard skills from completing an undergraduate certificate program with 30 credits after my bachelor’s degree. I found it incredibly beneficial. Such a program could provide you with practical knowledge that’s directly applicable to your work.
If you want to learn more about software and electrical for practical learning I recommend tinkering with Arduino. And for motivation purposes you can show some of the stuff you are working on the channel.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but I feel like it's kind of surprising for you to be taking 5 out of 6 courses that are software based for a ECE master's which is mostly supposed to be hardware based even with the Computer Engineering part inside of it, which is supposed to be a mix between Computer Science and Electrical Engineering. I'm pretty sure that an ECE program on both the undergraduate and graduate sides is typically supposed to lean more towards Electrical Engineering more than anything else, which rather than depending on Data Structures and Algorithms as much as CS would instead depends more so on the kind of math and physics you would have taken during your Mechanical Engineering bachelor's. The CS math is a different kind of math, and while it does make you more well rounded it doesn't compound as nicely as the more calculus or algebra focused stuff you would be learning about otherwise. It's still certainly good to have a basic amount of knowledge about, but of course there are tons of resources online for simply Data Structures and Algorithms to the point in which I just wouldn't recommend that to anybody college course wise. While a focus more on the software side of things will allow you to work from home more easily compared to putting all your eggs in the basket of engineering related topics, I still think that if you are going to go for an ECE master's you'd best be focusing on the Electrical Engineering or hardware side of things, otherwise you would be better off in getting a master's in CS instead even if it's not necessarily titled engineering on paper. I think asides from ECE621 (Computer Organization) which is the only course you've listed that falls under the hardware side of things as far as I know, this isn't really ECE and therefore may not be the sort of program or degree you are looking for if you want to have that software focus. Of course, not sure how early it is for you to change things, but yeah, look into CS instead for your master's if you still can. You would make things easier for both yourself and employers when it comes to the skills they want you to have.
I've found thru personal experience that a viable path to obtain a strong well-rounded technical understanding of a problem, is by managing it. A system TPM/EPM role sounds a lot like what you're describing in your "ideal job". I've found too that developing soft skills, although hard to measure, pay dividends in the aspects that you're optimizing for: pay, impact, location freedom, etc
Hey, I know this might be a bit late, but I actually went back for my master's too after graduating from Waterloo engineering in 2023. Having worked 1 year in between, I realized my passion and felt the same as you. I wanted to fill the knowledge gap that I felt I had!
In the exact same boat. Mechanical Undergrad with a decent job but started to get really interested in comp and elec. Want to gain a background for that I can pursue my true engineering passion
With a masters in software, you can do embedded systems engineering as well. You have already worked with a microcontroller so learning data structures and algorithms will make you a beast at that.
I got a master’s in ME paid for by my employer. For the knowledge, it’s completely worth it. For job prospects, I feel conflicted. If you don’t seek out different jobs that use this advanced knowledge then you won’t really feel a difference. You need to actively seek out new job opportunities that will utilize more advanced knowledge because otherwise the material gets forgotten quickly. I am starting to forget a lot of the material I learned in grad school one year after graduating because I don’t work in a field that requires it. A master’s in engineering is worth it but you need a purpose for it.
Hey Tamer, I finished my masters in mechanical engineering just today. It took me 4 years while I was working full time. Despite all the challenges I still think it was worth it but only time will tell I suppose. My rough calculations is that it cost me $16k USD. Before I even finished my degree I was able to leverage it to get a job that paid double what I was making earlier (from $70k to $140k), it has made more than its return on investment for me. However please know that masters degrees can be extremely theoretical. Even in more practical classes it is still a lot of theory. I still think it is worth it but you really have to take on projects outside your coursework which is what I did. I honestly do not recommend working full time and doing the masters. Even taking it part time and working is a lot of stress. The only time I would say it is worth to consider it is if your job is fully remote or the degree is or both. I understand the opportunity cost for not working full time but please believe me that it would have not taken four years for me if I wasn’t working full time. There were times I was sleeping in my car at the school I was so exhausted because the drive to home after work was just too much. I would not wish this on anyone. To me, if you’re going for this you have to commit all the way. This really has to be the top priority and focus, and it will cause a lot of stress. But it is much less stressful if you’re working part time or working remote or not at all. Just my take. Worst case is that you can try it and push yourself and see how it is and then reassess on how you did, everyone is different and maybe you have a higher stress tolerance than myself. Additionally I will say that the masters program is much better than undergrad. Undergrad has so much nonsense like the online portals for submitting homework that say you’re incorrect even if you’re not, to massive class sizes, to requirements like clickers, or buying the textbook new so you can submit homework. In masters they treat you like an adult, you turn in homework either online on Canvas/Blackboard or you hand it in to the professor on paper. The class sizes are smaller and they are genuinely wanting you to succeed. There aren’t weed out classes and overall the material is far easier because they know a significant number of students are also working full time or have families. Also because so few of us engineers pursue higher levels these programs are actually quite affordable. I think it is worth it to make you a stronger candidate for jobs and if you want to get into VP roles you’ll notice they all have masters degrees, so you might as well do it too to improve your odds. I dunno to me it makes sense. I think your reasons for going into this program make sense because I also love software and electronics as well and I understand where you are coming from. However honestly most of the learning you will be doing will be self taught and projects you give yourself. A lot of this is theoretical so please go in understanding that. A lot of these courses are actually the same courses that PhD students take surprisingly. That’s why they can “master out” of the program. To me a masters degree is quite low risk for additional reward and possibly really big payouts. I believe education or betting on yourself always pays dividends somehow. Also for dating having a masters degree significantly improved the quality of women I was speaking to, not that this should be a major factor but it really is a nice bonus. Other ambitious, intelligent and driven women will be attracted to the fact that you also share these traits, if they can see that then so can others and I really think this opens doors. If you’re on the fence I say do it. Don’t question it. It will take a lot of sacrifice and there’s a lot of nonsense but it is not as bad as undergrad honestly. You got this Tamer!!!
Interestingly in Germany only doing your Engineering Bachelor won’t get you far. Since University is free for EU citizens, masters are far more common and thus required for most engineering roles. I just finished my first year of EE and I’m already certain of doing a masters. Then again European bachelors don’t contain filler subjects so our bachelor only takes 3 years.
I also think your selection of courses is great, however the one you probably will enjoy the most is computer organization.. and then you'll jump into timing and microprocessors and the rabbit hole just deepens
I think the masters could really aid to go direct to big tech. But I bet you could find a startup that’s willing to let you crush ME work, and learn software over your tenure.
If you want to go into the master’s, you need to go into co-op. Co-op is the way to get a return offer to work at the same company or the government if you work there after graduation or that you work at a certain company or the government for co-op and then you use that experience to apply for jobs near graduation if you don’t get a return offer. Only cold applying to jobs at the time of graduation without co-op experience is very ineffective, it is unlikely you will get a good job and you will regret not doing the co-op version. Plus, the university should be giving incentive to companies (and government I think) to have you hired as a co-op.
Love your videos, but I think this is gonna be a bad idea. I highly recommend taking the SERIES of courses that lead up to Data Structures & Algorithms, then a Computer Organization class at your local community college. You already have the credentials to catch the eye of a recruiter with your BSME. Taking the CC courses will give you the fundamental understanding of coding and how computers work at a fraction of the price, plus you can attend like a non-degree student without being deprioritized like a non-degree student. Once you understand coding then you can work on your portfolio which will be way more important than the degree. The other thing to understand is that even though graduate courses might have the same name as an undergraduate course, that doesn't mean they go over the same stuff. You aren't gonna learn "how code works" it's expected you already do, and that you are prepared for the class. That's just my $0.02
I am halfway through a masters in Aerospace engineering and did my undergrad in Mechanical engineering. After being in industry for 3 years (I graduated same year as you) you find that in your masters class you’re all like “why am I learning this, nobody uses this” or “wow this professor never spend a day of industry in his life, no company in the world would do this”. It’s going back to theory from practice when you know you won’t use it. Just my feedback, unfortunately to break into aerospace industry is hard so I had to do the masters
Recent ME alumni here based in SoCal, It's been rly tuff out here trying to find a full time role even with my engineering and leadership background. The only reasons I'd suggest you take that program is for you to be able to apply to internship roles in SWE. I have been wanting to apply to SWE roles but am on the same boat as you. I only really have C++ and some matlab knowledge, but these companies rly want an expert. So if you have that masters program in hand I'd say do it. Already saying no to it will just not give you the opportunity to get ur foot in the door. But on the other hand I mean, cost yea if you have the resources to pay for it or will take out loans well that's another story but yea money will always be a topic anywhere in life. I'd say do the masters you seem rly eager to do so.
Should probably think about the potential roles you are searching to do after your Masters. That's what I did when I decided to change from ME to Robotics. Wanted more electronics/software. Look at jobs that interest you, regardless of the field of engineering, then decide. Exemple: doing specialized coursework on EE if you wanna work on CFD simulations for planes doesn't really make sens.
Habibi mashallah you should focus on youtube if you enjoy it you alrrsdy have a good amount of subs just slowly change the topics towards what you enjoy and youll have a great career
I did a MEng in 2021 right after I did my bachelors in engineering and without a doubt it helped me negotiate a higher salary at my next 2 jobs. It was also a good time since it was the middle of COVID and the job market sucked. If I knew exactly what I wanted to I would have done a MASc, but I had too many interests on the go to pick one and not feel boxed in. Overall, I'd say it's a good investment for your resume. Message me if you have any questions I did mine at UW too. Cheers
Im 24 and a front end dev, did IT as my first bachelor's and im doing a post bacc in computer engineering. I want to go into PCB design or embbeded software engineering
If you want to do practical stuff, you're going to struggle unless they let you work on a project throughout the course. The reality is Uni has no clue what work is like, and work hasn't the time or resources to teach you theory. Your best bet is to pick a home project, and chip away at doing it learning what you need to as you go. The experience will be more valuable than a course. Of course it doesn't come with a shiny certificate, so no accolades.... but hey ho.
im trying to apply for my electrical engineering program, but im confused. dont you get a bachelor's degree first and then masters degree when i applied? i was offered only masters courses 💀
I am a graduate student doing a PhD in Civil Engineering at the University of Waterloo. These course-based masters are such a money grab. If you didn’t know, it’s not possible to do a PhD after one. I always suggest getting an MASc or a PhD. I have taught many of these students. I believe the only requirement is courses. At this point in your academic journey, taking courses is easy. It’s not until you research something deeply that you are an expert.
Totally understand. I wonder if Tamer wants to learn more modelling aspects of mechanical engineering. Specifically, CFD. My research groups develop all in-house codes for coupled flow simulations. If you are interested PM me.
Hi tamer, best of luck ahead, would love you to share ur experience when you start and how u were able to cope as a mech eng doing a masters in EE/comp eng.
A masters degree could definitely open doors into specific careers in engineering such as VP or Product Design lead. At the same time, degrees are becoming less valuable and if you want to learn practical and applicable software skills, there are other options/programs that are much cheaper even though the certificate holds less weight. -4th year ME student
I think you should do it. Or learn yourself, tbh, EE area is pretty good, if you add that to your portfolio, you have a great skillset. (un)fortunately for EE you do need a degree if you want to be taken seriusly.
Hi brother, can you make a video discussing the amount of programming needed in engineering jobs, I'm in my first year, right now I have a Matlab course and next semester I have a java course, but I really hate programming so it would be really helpful if you can discuss how much programming is used in different fields and if I will suffer if I don't learn much programming in university (I'm probably gonna go for civil or maybe mechanical)
in some countries like in qatar,oman,UAE. it is essential most of the time for engineering students to get a maseter's degree, but I guess it is different in north america
I’m 24 and I completed my mechanical bachelor in 2022…i don’t have any work experience related to engineering. I learned japanese after graduated cause my ex live in japan and I worked at a japan company for few months…now we broke up 😂 and now I’m lost and dunno what to do…I don’t like japanese and I just love music and always wanted to be a musician but I think now I’m too old for my dream ..I give up. Now I’m trying to continue my engineering study…I’m thinking about studying master wish i get a job with fair salary after my study. I don’t wanna lose life I want to win. Wish me good luck guys. Hope y’all win in life too. Be well
im trying to get my NVQs while in college im 17 rn, and well i kinda feel like my college might not even try to help us get the NVQ so not sure what to do rn. Im doing their diloma program.
What I found is that if it takes a lot of convincing to make a decision its probably not the right one, you’re basically lying to yourself what you want to do
Wouldn't a master in Mechanical engineering with the mechatronics/robotics track also do the trick..most courses in that track offer electronics,software and ai courses
In many countries in Europe a bachelors in engineering is useless without a master's degree. The complete engineering training is basically bachelors+masters.
Right, this is just something I'm worried about, so I'm an international student doing bachelor for mechanical engineering in the UK, I'm gonna be a second year in the next month, but I've been thinking is it hard getting a job after having your bachelor, or is me having a masters afterwards going to make me find potential jobs easily 😅, not really easily but you know... It's just something I'm really worried about at the moment cause I've been told that it's hard for bachelor engineering students to find jobs in their field in the UK, and I'm not sure if it's true or not
Question: will he be a real SWE(i mean be comptent as someone who did a bach. Deg en SWE) after his master even do he did a bachelor in mechanical eng ?
Knowing both mechanical and software doesn’t give you any advantage. Just jack of all trades master of none. Pure software engineering has nothing to do with mechanical engineering. You gotta choose a path and double down.
Brother I just finish my degree in mechanical engineering, i really love to be in mechatronics or robotics Industry, Can you tell me what certification or skills i need to obtain to get this role??
Staff EE here. Get out into the workforce and start getting experience. You've got a degree, but you still know nothing. Becoming a great engineer is going beyond and overdelivering; no college degree will teach you that.
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bro i swear if you go back to waterloo youll be a celebrity
Many famous engineers went there, tbh I rather go there than MIT
HAHAHA
@@osos.9169stupid opinion
He is a celebrity 😅
I know I'm only first year computer engineer, who actually signed up for mechanical first semester because of projects i did in hs that involved a lot of cadding and mechanical knowledge, I took a programming course (C) in that first semester and it i loved it so much I gave up all my novice mechanical knowledge to learn software/hardware. But after been through 2 semesters and self learning I will tell you it is a whole other ballpark, constantly learning, it always feels like youre only learning 2% of something, so this masters is great but keep in mind you will need to do A LOT to be actually productive, so best of luck man
Yaa I alr know I'd have to do a lot of self-learning on my own too
Tamer, honestly speaking you have essentially been my guidance counselor since I found your channel, and I thank you for it. You demonstrate that you are looking to best further your career and life aspirations, thus improving one's knowledge of hardware and software is an excellent idea. I would HIGHLY recommend that you try and find a work-study program granted they are offered in Canada (I'm not sure as I am not from Canada). You get to work in a career that is in your field whilst improving your knowledge and skills as a well-rounded engineer (which is covered by your employer). Best of luck to you and your future aspirations.
While you certainly don't have to do a masters, it almost seems like the engineering industry is suffering from the Canadian business of further education. They just pump people out without any concern for actual roles available to fill, but in this shitty economy, it might give you a better edge on paper. But be aware that having a masters won't automatically grant a higher pay, but it will offer you some interviews.
Crazy times in this country right now.
I'm not kidding I've only heard people say for my entire life that it's a "shitty economy" born in 2005 btw
@@randomguy-pj4kj you're not wrong. We progressively move the goalposts but the economy is generally getting more leechy off the backs of the middle class. We never recover fully after the crashes...
I disagree, doing a masters can actually hurt you because you're viewed as somewhat overqualified for engineering positions and definitely over qualified for technologist positions. Plus an employer may be confused on how your bachelors is in mechanical but your masters is in electrical... makes no sense. There's not going to be nearly as much practical skill development doing a masters as opposed to college.
@@jon5833 damned if you do damned if you don't
@@jon5833 I see your point of view too. Sadly I cannot guarantee what will work because I'm not a hiring manager haha. At this point, everything is a shot in the dark as we're in the midst of changing times. What worked for our parents doesn't work for us anymore, and it's a gamble at best.
Personally, I would not do the Masters. But I also know people who got solid jobs because of the Masters degree. There's no silver bullet in any of this.
15k is not bad compare to other school too.
I been in the same spot but I’m in the economics field getting a masters in quantitative economics.
Going thru the pros and cons can be quite the headache just from looking at the labor market I forecast an increase in unemployment for the next three years and after the fourth year the market will be demanding more labor. I also calculated other stuff before making the choice.
I’m probably just overthinking stuff 🤷🏽♂️
Just wanted to share and say “I know the feeling”
I think you should go to college if you want practical skills, you could get a diploma in 1 year or less and it would broaden your career opportunities and would cost way less. Just my thought... I went to College & Uni
Do you mean community college?
@@ishaqmo7200 In Canada you have college and university, both publicly funded. College is more practical and costs a lot less.
Run the fade with the masters. You'll come out smarter despite anything man, im aiming for a masters in CE myself. Shoot for it man, money ain't a thing if you broke you can be smart and broke, lets get it!
Kudos to you!! I’m currently going into my second year of undergrad for CE, was your undergrad in CE as well?
I wanna be a jack of all trades engineer in technology, so I kinda get where you're coming from.
I studied physics and mathematics and now im doing a masters in electrical engineering, more toward the signal analysis and software side.
Usually, when you join as a non degree, you will be limited to at most 3 courses
How did u get into this particular electrical eng. program
@chibuezendiokwelu63 it was the same school where I did my undergrad. Applying wasnt too difficult, and they have preference when you're pursuing grad studies at the same uni
Okay thank, did u do ur undergrad in elect. eng?
I think this is a good step in the right direction. I would say this Masters will help you in the long run. I am doing the same thing you’re doing. I am doing a MS in ECE as well. It has been very beneficial and serves my interests well. You will expect often more attention from recruiters or get interviews easier and a pay bump if it is related to the field. I wish you success to your future endeavors inshallah.
Hey , Are u studying MS in ECE in Cananda ?
Hi @@ArshdeepKaur-n2z,
Actually in the US I’m studying MS in ECE.
Congratulations, papi! Keep us informed.
Hey Tamer! I think that's a great plan. Instead of asking "what might this demographic of employers want", you go "what would be really cool". That sense of ownership of your learning and field of curiosity is great. Excited for you ✌
Honestly dude, I thought about going back for my masters. And I'm still thinkin about going back. But not because i want the extra money or to advance my career, its more for my own personal growth. Having worked in the industry now, a masters will probably hinder your career in way that takes away your time to excel in the actual industry. My colleages and professors have told me you will probably not use a majority of what you learned in engineering school and they were correct for the most part. I think school tuaght me more to be intuitively inclinced as an engineer. So in my opinion, if anyone goes for their masters it should be for the love of engineering not to excel your career
I completed my bachelor's in mechanical engineering last week. Got my results yesterday and scored a GPA of 3.67. I'm happy with it but I'm kind of confused as well on what to pursue in the future. Although I initially planned on doing my masters in aerospace engineering but when you mentioned the word "hell", I could relate to that. The 4 years were honestly nothing less than a hell and opting for aerospace is like going into that hell again. I've been considering to pursue an MBA instead in operations management. Now I don't know if that's worth it or not but in my bachelors I studied a course called "Operations management" where we learned stuff regarding supply chain, inventory management, project management and a tons of other stuff. That caught my interest and I did really good in that course. The stuff we studied was amazing and that's one of the reasons why I'm considering to do an MBA in it. Why don't you consider MBA as well if it aligns with your interest? I'd like someone in the comment section to advice me as well on whether MBA is a good choice after BE in mechanical engineering or not?
Same shoes as you
Congratulations bro. From my experience as I had worked in engineering role in a maintenance company, If you go with MBA or whatever management master, your opportunities will more as engineering-managment roles. But if you go with masters of X engineering your opportunities will be more likely in research-field,lecturer at university, or advanced job high positions that require the master level like a position of head of engineering dept.
@@ahmedalzoyed9525Yess. Honestly speaking, I don't want to put myself into that hell again by getting a masters in aerospace lol. I'd rather go for an MBA in supply chain instead. It seems like a really interesting field and it caught my interest as I said before. I'm looking to pursue roles that are related to engineering management tbh. It aligns perfectly with my interest. So how's your job going in the maintenance company you mentioned?
I did think about an MBA too, but the thing is I don't know how useful it would actual be? Because the most useful business knowledge comes from actual building businesses instead of studying it? I could be wrong tho but I genuinely don't know much about MBAs
As someone that is about to enroll is a Masters of Systems Engineering (undergraduate was MechE like you as well.) I accepted the bid granted my company is likely going to pay for it in whole (assuming grades are good and I stay under a spending cap per year) I am doing it for a similiar reason. I feel comfortable was software and electrical sides of things now, but would in the space industry want to be dynamic and have a larger tool box of understanding to open my career pathways up more. If you end up doing it goodluck!
tamer have you considered doing a college diploma in computer/software engineering? this would technically give you the most hands on experience while being the cheapest option. It seems like you dont really care about having a masters degree and are doing all this to become a more well rounded engineer, so imo a college diploma could be something to consider.
This idea is great. If you don't mind can you elaborate on this topic. Please. I mean what are the requirements what is the duration and how much does it cost. Thanks
I actually hadn't considered that before tbh but imma look into it. My only concern is how would hiring managers look at a college diploma? Would they think less of someone that has a masters from a college instead of a university?
@@TamerShaheenI study mechatronics engineering and I'm always afraid that hiring managers would consider those with specilized degrees over mechatronic degree
Having gone through the hell of engineering school, I'd say it is totally worth it IF you have a good advisor and project. I thought I was precise in my thinking until the grad courses smacked me in the face, and writing the thesis forced me to REALLY think about what I know. Do not think about the money aspect if at all possible. Think about the thinking. It will, if you are of the right mindset, make you a better person as well as better engineer.
He’s not doing a thesis or research based Masters tho
Ayyyyy. I’m doing the same thing brother! Undergrad mechanical at UCLA and now Masters in EE at UCLA 😁
I’m only doing this because my company is paying for it mostly. My masters is worth around $40k USD so it is not worth it if I had to pay for it on my own.
I think the theory is severely underrated. Knowing theory well sets you apart from all the other engineers and you gain a lot of trust quickly because of it. Structured classes and exams force you to learn in ways that would take you 3 times as long in the real world. The key is to actually apply what you learn instead of letting it all go to waste.
I’m having the EE manager at my company help me build my curriculum because it’s very flexible.
Half the people in my company have a masters or better so being part of that lower half can be a bit of a hindrance. Having the masters in electrical will also allow me to more easily position myself as a robotics engineer which I think has some major advantages.
damnnn that's sick...I wish I can find a company to pay for mine haha
I’m studying in the UK and it is quite common here for people to continue onto an MEng - lots of grad jobs require you to have an MEng or at least get some preference, and you also need it for chartership . I’m about to get on the mech eng MEng which is the same as what I did for my bachelor’s.
What I would say is that it is a good thing that you’re not doing the same thing as you did for your undergrad, mech eng MEng with all the experience you had would’ve been a bit redundant and much more worthwhile if you wanted to go into research probably. I definitely think you should consider going for that masters, although it isn’t common in America you could also use it as your USP. Telling people you know both hardware and software aspects of engineering could really set you out and help you land way more positions and make you much more attractive in the job market.
I disagree with some people saying it’s a cash grab - at the end of the day some international students will come out of their degrees not knowing anything about engineering and just claiming to be engineers. But it’s what you do with your degree and how you apply the content that matters the most. I can see that you did that with your undergrad and I think you could do it with that MEng. I’d say absolutely do it!
Thing is it's also kinda a moral boost because afaik, in most unis, you need to have a certain grade to even get into the MEng year.
I appreciate this comment so much!! Thank you and yaa some of the cash grab comments were a bit discouraging haha
@@ralph2844 so you mean one should do some thing else in master if has a BS degree in Mechanical?
Yup, in my 3rd-year of eng at UW, wondering if I should do that accelerated master's program or a regular one (after an entry-lvl job for a couple years? before?), still looking into the logistics myself
Great vid
I’m in the same boat…
Starting my first year there this fall EE
Hey man,, I'm 16 and going to school in the fall for Mechanical Engineering, and a piece of advice I got from a friend who has an engineering degree and worked in the field, was to go for a Master's. He said I should do it because getting a BA was the easy part, and getting an MA would help me later down the road, All I'm saying is that if you are hesitating just because Engineering students don't typically get MAs then you should do it, because it can only help you in the future.
I believe the MASc program is a better fit due to its specialized focus and the direct mentorship from a professor. This provides valuable research skills that are highly attractive to employers. Working closely with a professor can also open doors to industry opportunities through their established connections.
Being an "Everything" Engineer is possible and there is actually a tech job for that: System Engineer, which is a little similar to a product manager but actually does engineering work. I work as a satellite system engineer at a junior level and my daily work involves overseeing and coordinating mechanical/thermal/control and electrical engineers to R&D the product(the satellite).
Usually getting a master is quite important because it gives you insight on how research and industry are related, which frees you from elementary engineering works like pure CADing and gives you much more opportunity in higher level simulation/system engineering works.
Systems Engineer sounds sooo cool...I wonder how I could even break into that because a lot of ppl hiring for it would want previous systems engineer experience as well, so maybe the Master's would actual be required to become a systems engineer?
@@TamerShaheenJust in the case of a system engineer, I am quite sure a post-grad degree is necessary. Also, most of time people new to the field don't just "get hired" as a system engineer, they transition into it from their own background. I worked as an aerothermal engineer before transitioning into system engineer. In the field of aerospace/astrospace industry(that's the only field I have experience in), people usually transition into system engineers from backgrounds like power(electrical)/Guidance/Navigation/Control/astrodynamics/aeronautics/simulation engineers, which are, as you can see, not typical undergrad engineering degrees. They are all higher level and require higher level knowledge.
I think your past experience already makes you a great structural/manufacturing engineer. The most direct and most related higher level work is getting strong knowledge in solid mechanics and FEA(not undergrad level but post-grad or industry-level) and become a simulation engineer. It's closely related to CADing and manufacturing, but it's upstream, and it's higher level.
Hey man! Anyway I can message you with questions. I’m sure there is a lot of clearance stuff around it so I don’t expect specifics. I’m in the military and pursuing a systems Eng masters. I’d like to work with satellites at some point but never met anyone that actually does that to see how the job actually is. Thanks!
Thank you for the insightful relatable content. 😁I know its hard to decide but its crucial to do masters for good reasons. Im currently enrolled for masters in Mechanical engineering (MSc). Focus is on engineering materials, reliability and predictive maintenance . Since I'm involved with production and project management industry , I believe it will enhance my perspective when it comes to manufacturing and production processes.
And you should go ahead with your masters , you do understand the bigger picture behind your decision to apply.
Take some community college courses that are software/electrical related. They provide practical education that is used in the field and a lot more applied knowledge making u way more valuable to employers as apposed to theory. You’ll have an idea of industry problems and gain the skills to solve them.
It all depends on what companies you work with. I used to think that having a master was rare for engineers, worked in several big corporations and most of the process engineers, module engineers, etc had all just Bachelors. That was all in the production side of things. Now I'm working at a big place that does research and development, and it seems that even the janitors have PhDs. So yeah, it all depends in which circles you move around. I don't think there is a scenario in which a Master would be detrimental, especially if you are getting it for only 15k. I would go for it.
Man I needed this. Had my bachelor's in mechanical engineering, plan on doing my masters in electrical or computer engineering next year but felt scared that I might not be cut out for it coming from a mechanical background. But seeing this video gave me more confidence in pursuing this path. Good luck
Hey Tamer,
Love your stuff. Really great to see a fellow Canadian Mechanical engineer trying to learn more software. I'm on that mission too, lol.
I'm doing a MASc at UofT, and one thing to let other watchers know. MASc is funded, but also not.
For example at UofT you would get maybe 25-27 , but you have to pay 8k annually in tuition, which rounds out to 9k-11 k annually in terms of income. Which can be tough if you don't have money saved. You can offset this by TAing, or by taking on other on-campus jobs, but depending on your project it can be hard to do so.
Now some wiz kids get tons of scholarships, but when applying I recommend all students to think about the finance part without the scholarship.
I hope it was okay I dropped this here. Your video was great, I just wanted to add this tid bit regarding Canadian MASc and funding.
Cheers.
i am kind of in same shoes with you only difference is im coming from from software engineering and dont know anything electric related and im trying to figure out what to do thanks for sharing your story
good luck and thanks for the tips
I too would like to pursue a masters. But at the moment I am still trying to obtain a full-time job. Been a year since graduating already and nothing yet. I would like to get into design role and I am also interested in energy field like heat transfer or fluid dynamics. As of now I am still applying and when I have a good steady income, I would like to see if I can afford or if there are offers/opportunity
At my college, almost all of the guest alumni that come to speak say that the best way to get a masters (both MEng and MBAs) is to get a company to pay it for you. But that raises a few questions for me:
1) How realistic is that (or in other words should I bet on it and tough it out in industry first)?
2) Do the speakers have rose-tinted glasses because they were fortunate to be in the right position and on the right side of a company looking to. In follow up to the previous question, considering how much has the landscape changed? Will there be stiffer competition and less opportunities?
You won't really learn real world practical skills from a master's program, honestly, I think it is a waste of time and money, but it is up to you. Gaining extra knowledge in software skills doesn't require another degree. I think you are better off getting a certificate in software engineering.
I get the reason you are going for a master's is to gain skills to be a better engineer but ask yourself if that is want you really want? do you really have true passion for the master's program in Electrical/computer engineering?
The economy sucks right now so you need to know if it is worth your investment, if you want the master's so you can change fields completely or get another job, then that makes more sense. You might also want to expand your options since you want remote work; highly competitive, building/designing things will require you to be at the office most of the time.
If I were someone with an impressive career like yours, I would look into work/study programs companies offer
hmm like companies pay you to study?
Hi whats this u mentioned and what is it like?
@@chibuezendiokwelu63 So this is for prospective students, usually undergraduate (about to start their degree or just started), companies hire you with a work study arrangement., for example (you work part time for them, and they pay for your school as well as your wage. Orrr they pay for your school and want you to come back work for them. Very rare but it happens.
You seem like the type of dude who'd do it just for the extra knowledge.
That's what a university is and should be about lmao. I don't understand people who go there "against their will", just to check and box. If you don't want to do it for knowledge, your life will be full of negativity.
Even if he is doing for extra knowledge what is wrong with that, hey doesn't need to go to a university to be considered a Software Engineer, if a person is able to build and design software you are considered a software engineer.
Weird
LOOL yaa basically that's me
I feel like software is quite easy to learn by yourself, i don't think you should do a whole masters for that purpose alone.
Yaa makes sense honestly cuz tbh even if I did my Master's, I'd still be doing a lot of self-learning on my own too
Id love to do projects with you as I commented earlier I'm doing a post bacc in computer engineering but In my IT bachelor's I focused on a lot.of web Development and software if you want the highest chance for remote work then definitely need to stick closer to the software. That does not mean if you deal with hardware you can get a remote job you definitely can especially if you do embbeded software engineering or PCB design, or something where your not dealing with expensive large hardware like fpgas. PCB design and embbeded software engineering is where I'm looking to go to for my field. I have a startup in web dev but tbh the future out look of web imo isn't looking to good. Front end is changing to fast and every 3 months your outdated
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I think one of the biggest benefits of a masters is the ability to switch fields within a relatively short period of time. Also, atleast in the US, many employers require a masters to take on any form of management
coursework based masters is useless man. complete waste of time and money. those programs only exist in canada to collect money from international students
Do you mind elaborating on why a MASc would be better than a MEng please
@@ReussirSonProjetEtudesAuCanada A MASc requires you to write a thesis which involves doing a research project. I did my MASc at a research facility where I got some practical real life engineering experience. You don't get any practical experience from doing a coursework based masters so it's not very useful.
@@AndiPlays thanks, it’s a dilemma I’m going through right now. MASc Vs MEng
@@ReussirSonProjetEtudesAuCanada If you can get a good professor to sponsor you then go with a MASc, if not just do a MEng.
@@ReussirSonProjetEtudesAuCanada the coursework you take in undergrad prepares you for a career as an engineer. one more of year of classes will not be more beneficial than a year of work experience. there is also far less graduate level classes than undergrad, and therefore most MEng students end up taking quite a few classes they don't care about, just because they need to take 8 classes. in MASc you only take 4 classes, and the skills you develop during the thesis process actually do provide a tangible benefit to your career, and open doors to positions in research which would otherwise be unavailable. you will also probably present your research at conferences, at which you will make many connections with people who are working as engineers or researchers in your field, and could hire you after you complete the MASc. I know many people who got their jobs from people they met at conferences.
Have you considered pursuing an undergraduate certificate?
As a mechanical engineer from Quebec, I can share from my own experience that I gained many valuable hard skills from completing an undergraduate certificate program with 30 credits after my bachelor’s degree. I found it incredibly beneficial. Such a program could provide you with practical knowledge that’s directly applicable to your work.
If you want to learn more about
software and electrical for practical learning I recommend tinkering with Arduino. And for motivation purposes you can show some of the stuff you are working on the channel.
Thanks for your videos, I’m graduating in Mechanical Engineering in Montreal.
Its crazy wired how much i relate to this video. Tryna pursue renewable energy after my mech engineering but being able to code would be fire
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but I feel like it's kind of surprising for you to be taking 5 out of 6 courses that are software based for a ECE master's which is mostly supposed to be hardware based even with the Computer Engineering part inside of it, which is supposed to be a mix between Computer Science and Electrical Engineering. I'm pretty sure that an ECE program on both the undergraduate and graduate sides is typically supposed to lean more towards Electrical Engineering more than anything else, which rather than depending on Data Structures and Algorithms as much as CS would instead depends more so on the kind of math and physics you would have taken during your Mechanical Engineering bachelor's. The CS math is a different kind of math, and while it does make you more well rounded it doesn't compound as nicely as the more calculus or algebra focused stuff you would be learning about otherwise. It's still certainly good to have a basic amount of knowledge about, but of course there are tons of resources online for simply Data Structures and Algorithms to the point in which I just wouldn't recommend that to anybody college course wise.
While a focus more on the software side of things will allow you to work from home more easily compared to putting all your eggs in the basket of engineering related topics, I still think that if you are going to go for an ECE master's you'd best be focusing on the Electrical Engineering or hardware side of things, otherwise you would be better off in getting a master's in CS instead even if it's not necessarily titled engineering on paper. I think asides from ECE621 (Computer Organization) which is the only course you've listed that falls under the hardware side of things as far as I know, this isn't really ECE and therefore may not be the sort of program or degree you are looking for if you want to have that software focus.
Of course, not sure how early it is for you to change things, but yeah, look into CS instead for your master's if you still can. You would make things easier for both yourself and employers when it comes to the skills they want you to have.
I've found thru personal experience that a viable path to obtain a strong well-rounded technical understanding of a problem, is by managing it. A system TPM/EPM role sounds a lot like what you're describing in your "ideal job". I've found too that developing soft skills, although hard to measure, pay dividends in the aspects that you're optimizing for: pay, impact, location freedom, etc
Hey, I know this might be a bit late, but I actually went back for my master's too after graduating from Waterloo engineering in 2023. Having worked 1 year in between, I realized my passion and felt the same as you. I wanted to fill the knowledge gap that I felt I had!
Am currently doing my bachelor in Industrial & Mechanical Engineering. Will probably do a masters in Business Admin and Consulting
In the exact same boat. Mechanical Undergrad with a decent job but started to get really interested in comp and elec. Want to gain a background for that I can pursue my true engineering passion
With a masters in software, you can do embedded systems engineering as well. You have already worked with a microcontroller so learning data structures and algorithms will make you a beast at that.
Brother, you sound a lot sadder and low energy in your videos, compared to just a couple years ago. Why's that?
The struggle is real 😢
He has been trying to get hired in CA as an engineer. But it's really unfair and he hasn't been able to.
Life is tough my friend
@@masterbaits4108its called life
HAHA really? That's not my intention to come across that way...maybe I'm going through a quarter life crisis lmaoo
I got a master’s in ME paid for by my employer. For the knowledge, it’s completely worth it. For job prospects, I feel conflicted. If you don’t seek out different jobs that use this advanced knowledge then you won’t really feel a difference. You need to actively seek out new job opportunities that will utilize more advanced knowledge because otherwise the material gets forgotten quickly. I am starting to forget a lot of the material I learned in grad school one year after graduating because I don’t work in a field that requires it. A master’s in engineering is worth it but you need a purpose for it.
Hey Tamer, I finished my masters in mechanical engineering just today. It took me 4 years while I was working full time. Despite all the challenges I still think it was worth it but only time will tell I suppose. My rough calculations is that it cost me $16k USD. Before I even finished my degree I was able to leverage it to get a job that paid double what I was making earlier (from $70k to $140k), it has made more than its return on investment for me.
However please know that masters degrees can be extremely theoretical. Even in more practical classes it is still a lot of theory. I still think it is worth it but you really have to take on projects outside your coursework which is what I did. I honestly do not recommend working full time and doing the masters. Even taking it part time and working is a lot of stress. The only time I would say it is worth to consider it is if your job is fully remote or the degree is or both. I understand the opportunity cost for not working full time but please believe me that it would have not taken four years for me if I wasn’t working full time. There were times I was sleeping in my car at the school I was so exhausted because the drive to home after work was just too much. I would not wish this on anyone.
To me, if you’re going for this you have to commit all the way. This really has to be the top priority and focus, and it will cause a lot of stress. But it is much less stressful if you’re working part time or working remote or not at all. Just my take. Worst case is that you can try it and push yourself and see how it is and then reassess on how you did, everyone is different and maybe you have a higher stress tolerance than myself.
Additionally I will say that the masters program is much better than undergrad. Undergrad has so much nonsense like the online portals for submitting homework that say you’re incorrect even if you’re not, to massive class sizes, to requirements like clickers, or buying the textbook new so you can submit homework. In masters they treat you like an adult, you turn in homework either online on Canvas/Blackboard or you hand it in to the professor on paper. The class sizes are smaller and they are genuinely wanting you to succeed. There aren’t weed out classes and overall the material is far easier because they know a significant number of students are also working full time or have families.
Also because so few of us engineers pursue higher levels these programs are actually quite affordable. I think it is worth it to make you a stronger candidate for jobs and if you want to get into VP roles you’ll notice they all have masters degrees, so you might as well do it too to improve your odds.
I dunno to me it makes sense. I think your reasons for going into this program make sense because I also love software and electronics as well and I understand where you are coming from. However honestly most of the learning you will be doing will be self taught and projects you give yourself. A lot of this is theoretical so please go in understanding that. A lot of these courses are actually the same courses that PhD students take surprisingly. That’s why they can “master out” of the program.
To me a masters degree is quite low risk for additional reward and possibly really big payouts. I believe education or betting on yourself always pays dividends somehow.
Also for dating having a masters degree significantly improved the quality of women I was speaking to, not that this should be a major factor but it really is a nice bonus. Other ambitious, intelligent and driven women will be attracted to the fact that you also share these traits, if they can see that then so can others and I really think this opens doors. If you’re on the fence I say do it. Don’t question it. It will take a lot of sacrifice and there’s a lot of nonsense but it is not as bad as undergrad honestly. You got this Tamer!!!
Interestingly in Germany only doing your Engineering Bachelor won’t get you far. Since University is free for EU citizens, masters are far more common and thus required for most engineering roles. I just finished my first year of EE and I’m already certain of doing a masters. Then again European bachelors don’t contain filler subjects so our bachelor only takes 3 years.
I also think your selection of courses is great, however the one you probably will enjoy the most is computer organization.. and then you'll jump into timing and microprocessors and the rabbit hole just deepens
I think the masters could really aid to go direct to big tech. But I bet you could find a startup that’s willing to let you crush ME work, and learn software over your tenure.
MechE is just good, my mate studied mechE for undergrad then went to ECE for grad and now he's an AI robotics SWE... Or mechatronics industries
If you want to go into the master’s, you need to go into co-op. Co-op is the way to get a return offer to work at the same company or the government if you work there after graduation or that you work at a certain company or the government for co-op and then you use that experience to apply for jobs near graduation if you don’t get a return offer. Only cold applying to jobs at the time of graduation without co-op experience is very ineffective, it is unlikely you will get a good job and you will regret not doing the co-op version. Plus, the university should be giving incentive to companies (and government I think) to have you hired as a co-op.
Love your videos, but I think this is gonna be a bad idea. I highly recommend taking the SERIES of courses that lead up to Data Structures & Algorithms, then a Computer Organization class at your local community college. You already have the credentials to catch the eye of a recruiter with your BSME. Taking the CC courses will give you the fundamental understanding of coding and how computers work at a fraction of the price, plus you can attend like a non-degree student without being deprioritized like a non-degree student. Once you understand coding then you can work on your portfolio which will be way more important than the degree. The other thing to understand is that even though graduate courses might have the same name as an undergraduate course, that doesn't mean they go over the same stuff. You aren't gonna learn "how code works" it's expected you already do, and that you are prepared for the class. That's just my $0.02
I am halfway through a masters in Aerospace engineering and did my undergrad in Mechanical engineering. After being in industry for 3 years (I graduated same year as you) you find that in your masters class you’re all like “why am I learning this, nobody uses this” or “wow this professor never spend a day of industry in his life, no company in the world would do this”. It’s going back to theory from practice when you know you won’t use it. Just my feedback, unfortunately to break into aerospace industry is hard so I had to do the masters
Recent ME alumni here based in SoCal,
It's been rly tuff out here trying to find a full time role even with my engineering and leadership background. The only reasons I'd suggest you take that program is for you to be able to apply to internship roles in SWE. I have been wanting to apply to SWE roles but am on the same boat as you. I only really have C++ and some matlab knowledge, but these companies rly want an expert. So if you have that masters program in hand I'd say do it. Already saying no to it will just not give you the opportunity to get ur foot in the door. But on the other hand I mean, cost yea if you have the resources to pay for it or will take out loans well that's another story but yea money will always be a topic anywhere in life. I'd say do the masters you seem rly eager to do so.
Thanks for sharing your insight :)
Should probably think about the potential roles you are searching to do after your Masters. That's what I did when I decided to change from ME to Robotics. Wanted more electronics/software. Look at jobs that interest you, regardless of the field of engineering, then decide. Exemple: doing specialized coursework on EE if you wanna work on CFD simulations for planes doesn't really make sens.
Habibi mashallah you should focus on youtube if you enjoy it you alrrsdy have a good amount of subs just slowly change the topics towards what you enjoy and youll have a great career
I did a MEng in 2021 right after I did my bachelors in engineering and without a doubt it helped me negotiate a higher salary at my next 2 jobs. It was also a good time since it was the middle of COVID and the job market sucked. If I knew exactly what I wanted to I would have done a MASc, but I had too many interests on the go to pick one and not feel boxed in. Overall, I'd say it's a good investment for your resume. Message me if you have any questions I did mine at UW too. Cheers
Hi there do u think a mech eng undergrad can cope in an MSc in EE
Im 24 and a front end dev, did IT as my first bachelor's and im doing a post bacc in computer engineering. I want to go into PCB design or embbeded software engineering
Can you make a video on personal projects we can do for a stronger resume
okay sure
If you want to do practical stuff, you're going to struggle unless they let you work on a project throughout the course. The reality is Uni has no clue what work is like, and work hasn't the time or resources to teach you theory. Your best bet is to pick a home project, and chip away at doing it learning what you need to as you go. The experience will be more valuable than a course. Of course it doesn't come with a shiny certificate, so no accolades.... but hey ho.
im trying to apply for my electrical engineering program, but im confused. dont you get a bachelor's degree first and then masters degree when i applied? i was offered only masters courses 💀
I am a graduate student doing a PhD in Civil Engineering at the University of Waterloo. These course-based masters are such a money grab. If you didn’t know, it’s not possible to do a PhD after one. I always suggest getting an MASc or a PhD. I have taught many of these students. I believe the only requirement is courses. At this point in your academic journey, taking courses is easy. It’s not until you research something deeply that you are an expert.
I get what you're saying but it doesn't sound like he wants a PhD in engineering in terms of doing research, he wants to understand software eng more
Totally understand. I wonder if Tamer wants to learn more modelling aspects of mechanical engineering. Specifically, CFD. My research groups develop all in-house codes for coupled flow simulations. If you are interested PM me.
I’m only a first year right now haha 😁
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Hi tamer, best of luck ahead, would love you to share ur experience when you start and how u were able to cope as a mech eng doing a masters in EE/comp eng.
What would you recommend for someone who wants to go into research after graduating? I’m planning on doing an MS in Mech E.
A masters degree could definitely open doors into specific careers in engineering such as VP or Product Design lead. At the same time, degrees are becoming less valuable and if you want to learn practical and applicable software skills, there are other options/programs that are much cheaper even though the certificate holds less weight. -4th year ME student
Can you kindly mention those programs.
I think you should do it. Or learn yourself, tbh, EE area is pretty good, if you add that to your portfolio, you have a great skillset.
(un)fortunately for EE you do need a degree if you want to be taken seriusly.
Hi brother, can you make a video discussing the amount of programming needed in engineering jobs, I'm in my first year, right now I have a Matlab course and next semester I have a java course, but I really hate programming so it would be really helpful if you can discuss how much programming is used in different fields and if I will suffer if I don't learn much programming in university (I'm probably gonna go for civil or maybe mechanical)
in some countries like in qatar,oman,UAE. it is essential most of the time for engineering students to get a maseter's degree, but I guess it is different in north america
I’m 24 and I completed my mechanical bachelor in 2022…i don’t have any work experience related to engineering. I learned japanese after graduated cause my ex live in japan and I worked at a japan company for few months…now we broke up 😂 and now I’m lost and dunno what to do…I don’t like japanese and I just love music and always wanted to be a musician but I think now I’m too old for my dream ..I give up. Now I’m trying to continue my engineering study…I’m thinking about studying master wish i get a job with fair salary after my study. I don’t wanna lose life I want to win. Wish me good luck guys. Hope y’all win in life too. Be well
Arent you in the bay area? Why not just do this part time at SJSU, especially since SJSU is ultra connected to the industry there.
He's canadian, he would be paying crazy amount being an international student.
@@bernicegudino2679 I understand if thats why, but if its an option its like an incredible one to have
The best way to learn software is to build projects
tamer bai are you working any where right now. I would say do whatever gets you the most monayyy.
I'd love somebody with both mech and electrical engineering to weigh in on this.
im trying to get my NVQs while in college im 17 rn, and well i kinda feel like my college might not even try to help us get the NVQ so not sure what to do rn. Im doing their diloma program.
I'm a CmpE student who doesn't like software as much I am more into low level software's and HDL's... still I am doing a BS/MS in ECE
What I found is that if it takes a lot of convincing to make a decision its probably not the right one, you’re basically lying to yourself what you want to do
Forget a masters bro. Just get a PE license and you will become more valuable.
10:06 it says students should have at least 4A level E eng or comp eng background. What does that mean and how fo ypu handle that as an mech engineer
Wouldn't a master in Mechanical engineering with the mechatronics/robotics track also do the trick..most courses in that track offer electronics,software and ai courses
You can't really work from home if you want to build things other than software
In many countries in Europe a bachelors in engineering is useless without a master's degree. The complete engineering training is basically bachelors+masters.
Right, this is just something I'm worried about, so I'm an international student doing bachelor for mechanical engineering in the UK, I'm gonna be a second year in the next month, but I've been thinking is it hard getting a job after having your bachelor, or is me having a masters afterwards going to make me find potential jobs easily 😅, not really easily but you know...
It's just something I'm really worried about at the moment cause I've been told that it's hard for bachelor engineering students to find jobs in their field in the UK, and I'm not sure if it's true or not
Talk to your uni and ask them to transfer you onto their MEng programme before your final BEng year. Grad jobs will always favour MEng students
A masters is worth it if it is research based
Lol $15K... My daughter's undergrad is $85K/year. Time to move to Canada.
State schools cost $30k. Paying $85k is a bad decision unless she's at an ivy league studying stem
15K is for domestic students. International students pay 60 to 80K at the university of Waterloo (where Tamer applied)
So is it okay to go straight from college (uk) to a masters for 4 yrs or should I do a bachelors for 3 yrs
Question: will he be a real SWE(i mean be comptent as someone who did a bach. Deg en SWE) after his master even do he did a bachelor in mechanical eng ?
he is not trying to become 1 focus engineer, its like a mixed ironman ;D
what about an MBA tamer?
Hope you get sleep my man
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You could sit in the classes you're interested in (audit)
Knowing both mechanical and software doesn’t give you any advantage. Just jack of all trades master of none. Pure software engineering has nothing to do with mechanical engineering. You gotta choose a path and double down.
So why you didn't do your bachelor in mechatronics or something similar ?
Brother I just finish my degree in mechanical engineering, i really love to be in mechatronics or robotics Industry, Can you tell me what certification or skills i need to obtain to get this role??
In germany a Masters in engineering is the default after bachelor
Are these the only 5 courses you will take? Because if so, you are not taking any electrical engineering courses. This is just a pure CS degree..
He has to take 8 in total so 3 other electrical engineering courses?
Staff EE here. Get out into the workforce and start getting experience. You've got a degree, but you still know nothing. Becoming a great engineer is going beyond and overdelivering; no college degree will teach you that.