Thanks, the Venezuelan music is a hidden jewell, you have to listen the "onda nueva", valses and Merengues, the jazz and venezuelan rythms take another dimensión there.
Thank you for this video! I am Venezuelan and while I have played our music on piano for many years I have never heard the specifics of how to play it on drum set. God bless u and your work here
This music was *the* definitive sound of house parties in the region of Colombia where I was born. Even though we moved to Canada early on it was still a staple of everyday life in my house hold. Never thought I'd hear it discussed in a jazz video. Very cool.
Very interesting this video but there are a couple things to considerate. First: "Joropo" isn't an only one genre in Venezuela. This pattern is an adaptation of a 3/4 form of "Musica llanera" and is too far from the original rythmic pattern of those genres. Second: There are two types of Joropo. 3/4 and 6/8 "golpes" (pulse) derivating in more than 60 styles or as we know "Golpes". Frank Hernandez took this patern mainly of the afrovenezuelan rythms, specifically the "culo e' puya". taking de "cruzao" drum as the base of this pattern. Maybe Frank doesen't take this pattern intentionaly but, the pattern don't lie. In third place there are a little mistake about accent. In this video master Bobby Sanabria says that the Bass drums make a 3-1 accent when in the original accent in pattern of 3/4 Joropo is 2-3. There are many venezuelan drummers that plays those rythmes keeping the original pattern of maracas and the "basses" of venezuelan Harp. And talking about harp, this instrument doesen't a tradional one in joropo. he was introduced in earlies 50's in Caracas. the firts Harp player in "Joropo" was Ignacio Figueredo. The Harp in venezuelan traditional music waas introduced searchig a more stylized style.
Can you recoimmend a 6/8 musical recording with Joropo as the driving rhythm, especially a version with drums. I would love to hear something like that. Thanks.
Nice analysis, I just have to add that the joropo is a rhythm (shared) from Venezuela and Colombia, that's why for example the harp is called "Arpa criolla Colombo Venezolana".
No is not, the Venezuelan Joropo have 7 types: Guyanes, Central, Oriental, Andino, Mirandino, Llanero, Maracaibo with 4 centuryes old. Colombia just adopted the Llanero since 1960, before, they didnt know about the Venezuelan harp (34/32 Strings) this harp exist since 1700, taking from all geográfic things, taking her final shape 32 Strings, and metal String sometimes, not even exist a "criolla harp", is a Venezuelan harp, just like a Venezuelan cuatro or a brazilian cavaquinho. So, he is right, is a Venezuelan music.
@@masterofpuppets4891 In Colombia there is the Joropo Llanero, the Joropo Andino that is from the South (Near to Ecuador), and the Fandango, that is previous from the Joropo and some people refers that to the root of the Joropo and is from the Caribbean Region (North), also Venezuela and Colombia where 1 country as you know in that time, so that Folklore is bigger than a Venezuelan rhythm, but, of course Venezuela have a huge influence in that one.
@@johntorresmusic7905 not it all. 1. The joropo and every rythms in América came from the "discovery of América", the joropo came from fandango like a evolution, precisally, from Sucre, Who adopted that rythm and take a "venezuelan rythm", the Venezuelan cuatro (exist a complete family) , bandola (dont forget that instrument is venezuelan too, éxits 4 venezuelan bandolas) and the harp (3 types of venezuelan harp) , its a perfect example: the Venezuelan cuatro came from a laúd and guitar, her take shape in every rythms there. The Venezuelan harp too, its a "personality" venezuelan, firts taking 34 Strings for valses and 32 Strings after for tuyero, Llanero and central music, nothing relating to new granade. 2. They was a country, with Ecuador, Panamá, Bolivia, Perú, just for 11 years, since 1819 to 1830, that time during "The great Colombia" (name came from Venezuela, too). The joropo take a Venezuelan shape since 1580 (the first instruments and music) all rythms in all country thats why 7 differents types (with that infinity "golpes"). The birth have 4 endémics centurys. With that argument "one country", means the vallenato, cumbia, Peruvian gastronomy and every culture manifestation from that countryes are venezuelan just for that 11 years??? Its a Venezuelan folklore, and become more bigger because its culture, just like the bossa nova from brasil, the ranchera from México, the tango from Argentina, rythms adopted for every World but knowing her origins, like the vallenato or cumbia from Colombia, or there is not a "same country" (for 11 years), and "folklore bigger than Colombia rythms"??? agenciadenoticias.unal.edu.co/detalle/article/el-arpa-llanera-innovacion-que-conserva-historia.html revistas.javeriana.edu.co/index.php/univhumanistica/article/view/9972 www.radionacional.co/especiales-paz/david-parales-hombre-que-trajo-arpa-a-colombia There are just a few colombian bibliography that support what I say, Check out, i have dozens and dozens.
An interesting video BUT... A few centuries ago - long before the USA even existed - a method was found to write down musical events. Today this method is called "notation" or "notes"! Apparently the "Lincoln Center" hasn't heard about it yet. But it is worth learning this method, because a picture often says more than a thousand words Just try it once!!
Not everyone knows how to read music. You're talking about Lincoln Center, one of the premiere music venues in the world. I'm pretty sure that they know about notation, but thanks for the input..
@@rhod-wulf6724 no señor, es tan colombiano el joropo como la cumbia, es llanero y los llanos van desde venezuela a colombia y viceversa, es tradición de los dos países y de ninguno, así como los indios wayú no son ni vzolanos ni colombianos y pasan de la guajira a vzuela cuando y como quieren.
@@juansecar2 El pequeño problemita con lo que dices es que el Joropo no nace en los llanos, sino en el oriente de Venezuela, además de que en llano Colombiano no conocían el Joropo hasta mediados del siglo xx.
Thanks, the Venezuelan music is a hidden jewell, you have to listen the "onda nueva", valses and Merengues, the jazz and venezuelan rythms take another dimensión there.
Thank you for this video! I am Venezuelan and while I have played our music on piano for many years I have never heard the specifics of how to play it on drum set. God bless u and your work here
Listen, the onda nueva
This music was *the* definitive sound of house parties in the region of Colombia where I was born. Even though we moved to Canada early on it was still a staple of everyday life in my house hold. Never thought I'd hear it discussed in a jazz video. Very cool.
Bobby is so so good-wow- what a great introduction to the these various countries music. He is truly great!! Thank you Bobby
Love this mic setup. Guessing there’s an overhead out of the shot. Best 4 channel setup
Gracias señor...Bello ritmo Venezolano...
Podria subir mas acerca de la fusion del
Rimode la ONDA NUEVA interpretada por
Frank y Aldamero ?
Wow this was awesome!!
Very interesting this video but there are a couple things to considerate. First: "Joropo" isn't an only one genre in Venezuela. This pattern is an adaptation of a 3/4 form of "Musica llanera" and is too far from the original rythmic pattern of those genres. Second: There are two types of Joropo. 3/4 and 6/8 "golpes" (pulse) derivating in more than 60 styles or as we know "Golpes". Frank Hernandez took this patern mainly of the afrovenezuelan rythms, specifically the "culo e' puya". taking de "cruzao" drum as the base of this pattern. Maybe Frank doesen't take this pattern intentionaly but, the pattern don't lie.
In third place there are a little mistake about accent. In this video master Bobby Sanabria says that the Bass drums make a 3-1 accent when in the original accent in pattern of 3/4 Joropo is 2-3.
There are many venezuelan drummers that plays those rythmes keeping the original pattern of maracas and the "basses" of venezuelan Harp. And talking about harp, this instrument doesen't a tradional one in joropo. he was introduced in earlies 50's in Caracas. the firts Harp player in "Joropo" was Ignacio Figueredo. The Harp in venezuelan traditional music waas introduced searchig a more stylized style.
@Kevin Feige Please could you argue why what I have said is wrong?
Can you recoimmend a 6/8 musical recording with Joropo as the driving rhythm, especially a version with drums. I would love to hear something like that. Thanks.
@@ViceSociety search for Cheo Hurtado’s Album: Cuatro Arpas y un Cuatro
@@fenrirwolf7238 Awesome thanks!
Maestro excelente explicación, y muy educativa, saludos desde Venezuela.
So useful! Thanks for sharing.
Gracias Maestro.
Good explination, so detailed and didactic!
Un millon de gracias maestro !!!
Thanks for doing this.
The Legend himself.
That's one spicy waltz! 🤣
To be more specific, Joropo goes back and forth from 3/4 to 6/8 and viceversa
nice
Sounds similar to the Mexican huapango/zapateado and the merequetengue
Does anyone know what those two mics used on the drum set are?
Master...
Nice analysis, I just have to add that the joropo is a rhythm (shared) from Venezuela and Colombia, that's why for example the harp is called "Arpa criolla Colombo Venezolana".
No is not, the Venezuelan Joropo have 7 types: Guyanes, Central, Oriental, Andino, Mirandino, Llanero, Maracaibo with 4 centuryes old. Colombia just adopted the Llanero since 1960, before, they didnt know about the Venezuelan harp (34/32 Strings) this harp exist since 1700, taking from all geográfic things, taking her final shape 32 Strings, and metal String sometimes, not even exist a "criolla harp", is a Venezuelan harp, just like a Venezuelan cuatro or a brazilian cavaquinho. So, he is right, is a Venezuelan music.
@@masterofpuppets4891 In Colombia there is the Joropo Llanero, the Joropo Andino that is from the South (Near to Ecuador), and the Fandango, that is previous from the Joropo and some people refers that to the root of the Joropo and is from the Caribbean Region (North), also Venezuela and Colombia where 1 country as you know in that time, so that Folklore is bigger than a Venezuelan rhythm, but, of course Venezuela have a huge influence in that one.
@@johntorresmusic7905 not it all. 1. The joropo and every rythms in América came from the "discovery of América", the joropo came from fandango like a evolution, precisally, from Sucre, Who adopted that rythm and take a "venezuelan rythm", the Venezuelan cuatro (exist a complete family) , bandola (dont forget that instrument is venezuelan too, éxits 4 venezuelan bandolas) and the harp (3 types of venezuelan harp) , its a perfect example: the Venezuelan cuatro came from a laúd and guitar, her take shape in every rythms there. The Venezuelan harp too, its a "personality" venezuelan, firts taking 34 Strings for valses and 32 Strings after for tuyero, Llanero and central music, nothing relating to new granade. 2. They was a country, with Ecuador, Panamá, Bolivia, Perú, just for 11 years, since 1819 to 1830, that time during "The great Colombia" (name came from Venezuela, too). The joropo take a Venezuelan shape since 1580 (the first instruments and music) all rythms in all country thats why 7 differents types (with that infinity "golpes"). The birth have 4 endémics centurys. With that argument "one country", means the vallenato, cumbia, Peruvian gastronomy and every culture manifestation from that countryes are venezuelan just for that 11 years???
Its a Venezuelan folklore, and become more bigger because its culture, just like the bossa nova from brasil, the ranchera from México, the tango from Argentina, rythms adopted for every World but knowing her origins, like the vallenato or cumbia from Colombia, or there is not a "same country" (for 11 years), and "folklore bigger than Colombia rythms"??? agenciadenoticias.unal.edu.co/detalle/article/el-arpa-llanera-innovacion-que-conserva-historia.html
revistas.javeriana.edu.co/index.php/univhumanistica/article/view/9972
www.radionacional.co/especiales-paz/david-parales-hombre-que-trajo-arpa-a-colombia
There are just a few colombian bibliography that support what I say, Check out, i have dozens and dozens.
Bobby eso más que Joropo suena a Marinera Peruana
parecido a la marinera peruana
Cesar Guadalupe me parece que es el mismo patrón
Es el mismo solo que pega la baqueta en vez de pegar el parche
Sounds like Honduran punta
Sounds almost like Guapango Brother.
Joropo come from Colombia y Venezuela
An interesting video BUT... A few centuries ago - long before the USA even existed - a method was found to write down musical events. Today this method is called "notation" or "notes"! Apparently the "Lincoln Center" hasn't heard about it yet. But it is worth learning this method, because a picture often says more than a thousand words
Just try it once!!
Not everyone knows how to read music. You're talking about Lincoln Center, one of the premiere music venues in the world. I'm pretty sure that they know about notation, but thanks for the input..
Joropo is venezuelan, and colombian dude... watch out!
No, Joropo is a Venezuelan tradition, adopted by Colombia.
@@rhod-wulf6724 no señor, es tan colombiano el joropo como la cumbia, es llanero y los llanos van desde venezuela a colombia y viceversa, es tradición de los dos países y de ninguno, así como los indios wayú no son ni vzolanos ni colombianos y pasan de la guajira a vzuela cuando y como quieren.
@@juansecar2 El pequeño problemita con lo que dices es que el Joropo no nace en los llanos, sino en el oriente de Venezuela, además de que en llano Colombiano no conocían el Joropo hasta mediados del siglo xx.
Joropo needs no drums.