Awesome content! So an ideal way to train for lats doing all these rowing movements would be to start with the wide grip (more ROM meaning your weaker in this movement, even though its more for upper back), then go shoulder width (less ROM than wide grip so you're probably stronger) and then finish with the narrow grip which has the least ROM and where you're the strongest probably. Does that intent sound about right?
Its pretty much how i attack supersets; save the strongest for last. However im a fan of muscle confusion so its not a stone etched rule and sometimes i reverse it or stagger reps
its not about how far back you go, its about your elbow position. as long as your elbows are close to your body and dont flare out then go back as far as you can.
focus on getting your shoulders as far back and down as you can first, then the elbows back...elbows back without the shoulders back and down won't do much for lats, only rear delts.
Every time i do the wide grip cable row (the last movement) i get an itchy, deep pain at the front of the shoulder which causes injury. I dont get that with the close version though.. Does anyone have an idea what that might be ????
jg lkj ofc on short grip you can feel it affect upper arm and lat more without shoulder and joints pressured. Everyone is different. Dont try it I suggest. Try a more wellknown grip since it’s proven. A flare elbows are always dangerously prone to injury in lat, pushup, bench press, etc
I think your shoulders are turning in while you are doing the move with a wide grip. This is a position where impingement happen in the shoulder. I think if it hurts "different from muscle pain" then don't do it.
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As an intermediate lifter in 2021, this was really really helpful. Exactly awnsered the puzzle in my head
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Awesome content! So an ideal way to train for lats doing all these rowing movements would be to start with the wide grip (more ROM meaning your weaker in this movement, even though its more for upper back), then go shoulder width (less ROM than wide grip so you're probably stronger) and then finish with the narrow grip which has the least ROM and where you're the strongest probably. Does that intent sound about right?
Its pretty much how i attack supersets; save the strongest for last. However im a fan of muscle confusion so its not a stone etched rule and sometimes i reverse it or stagger reps
On the wide grip demonstration what about doing a underhand closer grip for more lat isolation?
So pretty much keep the elbows in and keep it in line with your back don’t pull it out to much for lat growth?
Bro it's like a science project to perfectly contract them
And John Meadows says that the further back you get out elbows the more lats... What should I believe ?
its not about how far back you go, its about your elbow position. as long as your elbows are close to your body and dont flare out then go back as far as you can.
focus on getting your shoulders as far back and down as you can first, then the elbows back...elbows back without the shoulders back and down won't do much for lats, only rear delts.
What is the name for the shoulder width bar recommended? I'd like to suggest my gym to buy it. Thank you.
If you type parallel grip lat bar into Google a lot come up.
Cool thank you!
Every time i do the wide grip cable row (the last movement) i get an itchy, deep pain at the front of the shoulder which causes injury. I dont get that with the close version though.. Does anyone have an idea what that might be ????
jg lkj ofc on short grip you can feel it affect upper arm and lat more without shoulder and joints pressured. Everyone is different. Dont try it I suggest. Try a more wellknown grip since it’s proven. A flare elbows are always dangerously prone to injury in lat, pushup, bench press, etc
I think your shoulders are turning in while you are doing the move with a wide grip. This is a position where impingement happen in the shoulder.
I think if it hurts "different from muscle pain" then don't do it.
I can't see clearly in the video but is the second grip a cambered grip ? Thx
lol at being concerned with form with this exercise. You just need to pull as much weight as you can.
No
None of this worked for me.
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