CRT vs. LCD For Retro Gaming
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- Опубликовано: 7 окт 2022
- Those of us that play a lot of classic games, from a lot of different periods, we know that the monitor plays a very important role! CRT, LCD? Or…both?
Disclaimer: This video is about CRT and LCD monitors when it comes to our retro / older setups and games, so no comparison with modern 1000 Hz monitors.
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While Mario is-a busy saving the princess; Luigi is here to teach us about-a CRT!
Actually Mario is lost inside the haunted mansion, and Luigi is there to save him.
i refuse to pay a bunch for a crt when they were practically free 10 years ago
Then you won't have one 🤔
It's crazy how much the older parts increased in price over the years...$500 for a 6800 Ultra? No thanks!
Patience is key, you will get one for cheap if you are patient.
BRUH!! 😭😂 I say the same shit!!!! 10 years ago, CRTs were literally dumped on the side of the road, & you'd find them in charity shops / thrift stores for like £5 - £15 & now, they start at like £100, its so annoying.
Agreed lolz
I have many CRTs, I just can't let go. Quality is amazing and crisp! Plus you get the retro static feel!
Yes, I've seen your computers and CRTs, you have some sweet hardware right there.
I'm trying to get more CRTs, but they are rather scarce in my area.
Philips 15 inch Crt was my first screen, it was on new 233mhz 16mb vodoo II grafic. Best Childhoodtimes!
Using the PS3 with an HD CRT it gives the games a cinema film look! I love it.
I can smell the static coming from the screen now lmao
@PCUSER486 I'm a huge fan of your vids! Are lg CRTs worth it to buy?
I went through a huge crt fad over the last few years. I have been collecting the best models tuning them up and rgb/ scart moding a lot of them. I then put them into storage in my basement. My family thinks I’m crazy but I really love crt’s.
Nice! Unfortunately I only had back luck with CRTs lately...
I also have 4 crt tellys at my basement and my wife thinks im losing it
Lmao same
Dont put anything valuable in a basement dude. 1 flood down there and its a wrap.
A little over a month ago I got an fw900 and even as someone that already has a lot of CRTs I've been blown away. The picture quality is astounding.
Awesome, one of the best CRTs!
@@MidnightGeek99 yeah I totally lucked out. A guy was selling one on eBay and he was local to me. I contacted him and he had 4 fw900s. So I was able to get one before he actually sold any on ebay.
I've had my PS5 and Xbox series x hooked up to it and had amazing results. So far I've only seen it running in 1080p but I'd love to see it running 1440p.
@@wg8561 Four? :O Crazy...in my area I can't find a decent monitor :)
@@MidnightGeek99 what area are you? I have monitors for days. I have 2 D24s, a D20, 20f1u, D14, 2030 and 3 14l5s.
I'm in Vegas and when I stop procrastinating I need to sell some and make some room in my house.
I have an IBM 21" trinitron. It's little bro! Flat-screen and someone said it was around 700 or so in 2001...
Wonderful and concise video. Thumbs up, Midnight Geek!
Thanks :)
Watched your few videos, you make quality content new subscriber 😸✌️.
Thanks a lot!
That's an awesome setup you have.
I wish I had the space for that.
Thanks. I have half-room worth of space :))
This is the best video i've seen about CRT's! Big fan of CRT's and old FPS games!
Thank you :)
CRTs and classic FPS games are like honey and milk.
You can have a good/bad CRT AND a good/bad LCD. That is what makes the biggest difference for machines that output RGB analogue. Last generation plasma is probably the best compromise if you want to play games on a massive screen larger than 36 inches. If you have RF or composite only output and it's a 16/8bit machine you need a CRT probably so you can see the graphics as they were designed to look back then by the artists.
I'm putting all my hopes into OLED displays...
Even the best LCD is no where near as good as the bad CRT which I don’t think it’s a thing since CRT is very good picture motion and picture accurate
Good analysis on slow-mo. Welcome to the club. CRTs are gorgeous!
Thanks!
I own two CRTs, A 27" Sony Trinitron with a flat tube and a 14" Admiral TV/VHS combo with a traditional convex tube. I use the former for retro game console from the 6th gen as they're capable of component video output and they look way better that way with better color accuracy and the later for older 2D consoles and early 3D consoles since it just has RF and composite video inputs which are ideal for those kind of games that relied on the blurriness and color bleeding of RF/composite signals to reduce pixelation and to create more color depth.
And no PC CRTs? :)
This is a 10++ video. Excellent work!
Thank you very much :)
muy capo midnight como siempre!
I recently bought 14 inches CRT tv to play PSX games. Cool experience :)
You have funny accent (no offence :D ) but I dig the video. Just subscribed the channel.
Greetings from Poland with my even funnier Polish accent xd
Thanks :)
I need a CRT TV for my PS2, but for now I can't find something satisfactory.
amazing video you showed a lot of my favourite games and what a coincidence i own the LG F900P CRT the brother of the one you have those are very nice :)
Thanks! Unfortunately this monitor died, I bought another F700P, but it also has some issues...
@@MidnightGeek99 oh man that's sad, maybe replacing capacitors and fixing some solder traces can make it work again
I received 2 of them free (newest had the distinct smell of really used electronics - died within 2 hours of being plugged in). The oldest of the 2 having been originally paired with my Asus P2L97 (best 440LX board - period), Pentium II 233, Viper V550 and Monster 3D II based PC - only had a week's use out of it after replacing the forest of blown caps on the motherboard (and PSU's lone blown cap+fuse).
It's a sad day when a high-quality CRT (with manual degaussing) is beyond repair. It was definitely better than the LCD I was using in the early 2000's (and still use now)...but the lack of monitor whine is glorious (and I had to run the CRT at 800x600 85Hz to avoid having my eyes getting "stabbed" by the flicker).
It's sad indeed, that the CRTs will all die, and no one is building new ones.
I'm also using 800x600@85Hz, on a LG 500E 15", 60Hz is rather taxing on my eyes.
Nice comparison. Thanks.
Thanks!
I have the same Flatron at my hometown. It's really good, the colors are amazing there and its degaussing is just far more satisfying and less heart attack inducing than on older monitors.
You must love a good and satisfying degauss!
great content as always.
Thank you :)
straigth to the point, great quality, 10/10
Ahh my old CRT's. I still have my C64 and Amiga monitors, both of which work fine with the two computers. My last PC monitor was a Sony Trinitron 19 inch, and it served me well for about 10 years before it died. Over the past few years I have thought about getting another, but in my part of the world, they are rare, and cost an absolute fortune (not to mention hardly anyone knows how to fix them anymore, and most of them would be near the end of their life).
No, people will have to work on ways to get LCD/LED monitors to perform in a similar a manner for old games, much like PC/Console emulators do, as the old monitors (and old computers) won't last forever. I note there are attempts at CRT effects in many emulators, with varying levels of success.
I have a broken CRT, I've searched for someone to repair it, I could not find anyone unfortunately.
We will have OLEDs soon, LG already released a decent 27" one, all I want is a 32" OLED...and a 21" 4:3 one :D
Thecurrent generation of OLED is not capable of matching CRTs IQ and performance levels as yet, but, when we start to see dual-stack and eventually multi-stack RGB-OLED monitors, with 8K/12K/16K+ resolutions, along with proper native raster-scan/line-scan/1000hz+ modulation, we will finally have a decent CRT alternative, they will also be able to emulate CRTs quite nicely @ 16K+ with raster-scan or somthing similar, so even lagacy displays can be made with next gen OLED that's on the horizon, Apple will be the first company to have dual-stack OLED displays..
our school had some old crt monitors in the storage room and I saved one Philips 107e50 just before they took them for recycling to save storage space. There were better monitors but they had scratches or broken base and cover so this was the best and safest option.
I connected it to a Linux Laptop that is more friendly to custom low res than Windows 10 and quality beats even the best shaders.
Enjoy it while it lasts @@petr79
Remember that one guy who went around a neighborhood leaving Crt TVs in the neighbours doorsteps?
I wished I lived in that neighborhood x.x
Life is not fair!
Few years ago, I found a CRT TV dump at the dumpster. No one pick it up yet, so I picked it up and bring it home. I am surprised that when I plug it on the wall, it still working, but the problem is, the AV signal not detected, only shows blue screen, also most of the panel button broke. Then, I tear it down and found out that most components in the mainboard are rusted and corroded, so I don't think I can save the board anymore. Thankfully, the CRT tube itself still looks good, no sign of damage. Few months later, I bought a new universal CRT mainboard from China and replace the whole mainboard. Finally the TV works like normal. I connect it to my computer with VGA to AV converter and hook it up with AV input of the CRT TV. That is the only one CRT display I owned until now. I like the vintage electronic that's why, and it kinda interesting to display modern things on the old display.
I'm glad to hear that you got a happy ending :)
I'm with you, one of the reasons I'm using older hardware and software is due to curiosity, to see all kind of things.
@@MidnightGeek99 right 😁
This is such a pro move.
The EIZO Flexscan F55 is my all time favourite CRT screen.
I did not have high-end CRTs, but even a budget one is great, especially now.
I Have 2 CRTs recently bought used for my retro PCs. They are Samsung Syncmasters 17 inchers with flat screens from 2001 and 2003. One is black and the other one is beige. They are above average in quality with 0.20 mm horizontal dot pitch, around 0.23 mm true dot pitch which is very nice. There is a very nice review of this model by Dan"s Data (Samsung Syncmaster 753DF) . I also use LCDs for my more modern PCs. Your LG CRT monitor is a nice model and if a similar model or a nice 19 inch appear in my local ads, I will be in line to get it if price is right. Nice post!
Thanks. A 19" CRT is what I also want, but for now I did not find one that suites me.
Of course, I would love to have a 21" one, but I've used such a monitor for a while, and it's hard on my head and eyes!
I have one of those too! Was my dads office/basement monitor. It works perfectly. Someone had the gamma turned up to 90! It's not at about 65.
I had a sync master 17” it was beautiful, till it went bad and I couldn’t fix it. You are lucky just hold on to them.
@@puffybuns2311 Thanks! Yes I agree, these are very well designed and the specs are great. They are staying for sure as I have a number of retro PCs that suits them perfectly.
Fun fact, many CRT monitors have special modes that also support 120-300hz. My Sony CRT monitor would support 1024x768 @ 300hz. When I "upgraded" to a LCD it was immediately noticeable this was no upgrade.
Yes, I think you are referring to using interlaced.
LCDs were never an upgrade, unless you think about size and...weight.
@@MidnightGeek99 Yes. I would play Half Life Death Match at 300hz that way and my PC was able to do the 300 FPS and the movement was so fluid and the game was so responsive that I was owning matches like a god
When LCDs began to be less expensive, so most people were able the buy them, the upgrades were the size, the weight and the consumption. Quality upgrade was not a point.
@@brugges Yep, I only used the LCD heavily when the CRT power supply finally gave out and I knew very little about electrical circuits at the time so fixing it was out of my league. Even without interlacing the CRT could get 120 hz easily at high res, and going to a 60hz panel was like using a game boy after playing a sega satrun
I'm looking to build a retro gaming pc to play games in physical format like Half Life and expansions, Quake II and expansions, Deus Ex, etc... but little I know about sizes and brands of crt monitors that give a clear quality image for these games. Is a 17" inch monitor enough for shooter games? I was thinking about buying one between a 19" to 20"? Which would provide the better quality image?
A 17" CRT should do the trick, but if you have the space and muscles, 19" is ideal.
The image quality greatly depends on the CRT, get a Trinitron or Diamondtron for the best quality, and get a CRT that can do at least 85 Hz at 1280x1024.
Near the place I live I saw tons of CRTs thrown away. It's a shame seeing them thrown out like trash
It's a shame, yes. Where I live I can't find many CRTs, and those that exist are not that good.
I got a Samsung 997MB for 25 U$D , in really really great condition.
Basically, its 20 inches, 250mhz bandwidth, 160hz, 96kHz, 0.20 Dotpitch (0.22 real dotpitch), max res is 1920x1440 67hz progressive, but really the "native" (ideal) res is roughly 1600x1280 (it has 1600 lines and around 1280 to 1311 Dots).
It is my only monitor, and im running it on an Athlon 320GE with iGPU, directly through VGA connector of the motherboard (MSI B450M Pro4-F) , and honestly, im just shocked by how beautiful it looks all the time, at 1600x900 60hz, windows 11 looks amazing, Google Chrome and RUclips look amazing, it looks i'd say...about 80% as sharp as the LCD i had before , a samsung SyncMaster P2370 (1080p 60hz).
But what shocked me the most about this crt is just how good modern games on it look, specially HORROR games, the most dramatic example i found was Resident Evil 7, if you play it with properly calibrated brightness and colors, and all the post-fx turned on, it actually looks like an 80's horror movie, it definitely didnt look like that on the LCD, the Blacks on this monitor look almost like OLED, and it feels so snappy too despite running at lower framerates because im stuck with this iGPU.
I thought this was supposed to be a mid-end CRT, it is, but i cant even imagine the pain of going from a higher end CRT to an early LCD, that downgrade must've been brutal.
I decided that im just gonna buy a GTX 980Ti and keep this CRT until 20 inch 120hz OLED monitors become accessible, only then i'll move on to modern hardware because from what i've seen....all LCD techs (ips, tn, va) is a massive downgrade in important issues to me, and OLED is a genuine upgrade mostly and a sidegrade in some things, but its still too big and too expensive.
It's a very nice monitor, definitely on my watchlist. It's nice that you are still using it even on modern stuff.
I agree with the OLEDs, they are the proper replacement for CRTs and LCDs, in the next years we're going to have (I hope!) affordable small inch OLEDs.
@@MidnightGeek99
Yes, im mainly a Counter-Strike player (+10 years), and honestly, if you havent played csgo on a CRT...you've never truly played csgo, its something every cs player should try once.
I was always using normal average LCD's since 2007, i only bought the first 997MB in 2017 for 37U$D because my LG W2042s died on me after serving me for 10 years, i needed something quick and i knew that i could at least try out what high refresh rate was like on my, at the time, decent computer, i was shocked by how....RIGHT cs felt, looked...everything.
Imagine my shock when i started playing AAA games and they looked much better on the CRT, Resident Evil 7 is the most brutal example, every CRT owner with a decent PC has to try it, i recommend 1280x800 with REC709 color ingame settings, with lower brightness, i can't stress enough how mindblowing that experience was, but Metro 2033 and Exodus are also great examples, Outlast, Cyberpunk 2077, Fallou 3.
My first 997MB died this year, for 2 weeks i used a Samsung Syncmaster 2370 LCD, i went out and bought another one for 25U$D which is in near-mint condition.
After my week with the 2370....yes i'll definitely save for that OLED because im never ever going back to LCD ever again...holy s***.
@@juanme555 I'm using LCDs, as you've noticed in the video :)
My main setup is made of 3 monitors, imagine having to use 3 CRTs 8 hours a day :D
@@MidnightGeek99
Yes its all about convenience and trade-offs, LCD's are extremely convenient, cheap, and these days..they have gotten actually RELIABLE.
Im not into multi-monitor setup personally, and for me, the inconvenience of CRT is a more than worthy sacrifice, the convenience of LCD for me is not worth the losses, but if you gotta stare at 3 different screens at the same time for 8 hours per day, i can absolutely see the convenience becoming a lot heavier in the balance.
dude this video is awesome
Thank you very much :)
Hey I have similar crt monitor but how do you change the refresh rate my just shows 67khz/60hz in the last option and the warp is also little messy
Try to get the driver for this exact model, so it gets recognized by the operating system, and then try to change the resolution and refresh rates again.
You got me a subscription. Incredible video quality; I hope ur channel will be gain soon.
Thank you :)
PC CRTs have another advantage: the shadow mask. I don't care for the absent thick scanlines but that way of displaying old content makes it all so much alive. Modern LCDs display it so faithfully and raw, it's good for modern content, but looks improper on mid 00's and before media, something that can be remedied using Reshade CRT filters, it gets 80% of the feel (IMHO). But on the PC CRT, blank scanlines can be simulated for those who like it and it's going to look like a consumer CRT, heck, even the composite blur for games relying on heavy dithering can be done through the GTU_v50 blur shader! PC CRTs are truly a practical and cool retrogaming swiss knife. No need to go on a wild goose chase after beaten down TVs costing more than they should (I was that guy), in Brazil people disposed of them too eagerly during the transition period, most vanished.
I found one in the alley behind my house. Some weird brand “Superscan” TV/VCR/DVD combo. I thought “this piece of crap ain’t gonna work” but I brought in anyway. To my surprise everything works. Just needed a decent cleaning and a remote. 19 inch. Not too shabby for free.
"I found one in the alley behind my house"
This is how all great stories begin...and horror ones :)
exact same crt as mine nice
Unfortunately mine died 2 weeks ago :((
7:18 made me regret having fancy headphones, I thought something crackled right behind me xd
:)) Sorry about that :)
The thing about a CRTs is it's really difficult to find out that's not on it's last leg.
Yeah, and unfortunately things are not going to get better.
I have a few Crt monitors and the one I am using at the moment, is a Samsung syncmaster 900p. I don’t even use my pioneer elite 50” plasma anymore. With lights off or dim, you can’t beat the picture quality.
I recently bought another LG F700P, but it has some brightness issues...I'm very unlucky when it comes to CRTs
@@MidnightGeek99 I just picked up a Sony Multiscan e540. My first 21”. Geometry is perfect and convergence is perfect, except for a spot in the top corner. I think they sold it because it had a yellowish tint and colour was off. I used a grey scale image and adjusted the 6 point colour settings, and now it’s as it should be. I am in the ballpark, but would need to calibrate with the proper tools to be perfect.
i have the LG Flatron F900B, which is very similar to your monitor. is yours 18" too? id say its a great monitor, very sharp image and great colors once calibrated
Mine is 17".
ah, thats the difference between these two models. ive had mine for almost 2 years now, i found it in the trash. it has an arching flyback but i set my contrast to 70 and brightness to 60 which seems to put less load on it, and it works perfectly. where did you get yours from?
@@genericuser456-dm4wi nope colors are great
@@genericuser456-dm4wi nope, colors are great
Was that first game Star Wars Racer?
Yes indeed
I grew up with crt. We thought nothing of it. It's what we had. It's all we had. That's over now. Mine are all gone and I truly don't care to seek one out these days. All I can say is I am currently retro gaming on a couple 4:3 ips monitors with my Sega Saturn and modded og xbox and don't miss the crt at all. I rotate the screen for vertical shooters etc etc and it's 🔥 ✌
I'm searching for a nice 4:3 IPS also, I have a VA one, but it has big lag input.
What 4:3 display are you using?
@@MidnightGeek99 Dell Ultrasharp 2007FPB
@@TboneTenEighties I bought the same model while I was drunk. I was very lucky, it was cheap but it have too high power consumption and emits way too much waste heat. I plan to replace the old CCFL backlight with LED kit I bought. Other than the aged backlight issues it's IPS panel have better image quality than my couple years newer main display on TN panel. Now I think about replacing my main panel with IPS due to difference.
Try a VA panel, you won't regret it.
Colors look way more natural on Eizo LCD compared to LG CRT! :D
I won't say natural, I will say more vibrant, but yes, the Eizo LCD (the white one) has a good panel, both colours and contrast are amazing.
I had the same CRT in the past. It was awesome until it broke. There is one big negative with CRT - they are bad for your eyes.
They are bad for the eyes, but I try to minimize that problem: I'm using lower resolutions, the elements on the screen are bigger, I don't have to stare, and I can use higher refresh rates.
If you use it on high refresh rates your eyes won't hurt
@@GTAMan21 It depends, maybe 100Hz is what I need to be comfortable, but try to find a CRT that can output 100Hz at higher resolutions.
Also, this CRT died :(
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And LED/LCD display is also very bad for your eyes due to excessive blue light, arguably worse for your eyes, add in the added input latency and visible motion blur at 160hz on a LED/LCD that wouldn't be as noticeable even at 60hz on a CRT.
@ocenaldo não é verdade que That's right, it allowed me to play Cyberpunk on my GeForce 1650 :)
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which Fifa is used in the video?
Pro Evolution Soccer 6
Criminally underrated wtf
Thanks :)
I saw the same lcd monitor at goodwill I wish I bought it
I bought 2 of them, both broke after a few months :(
Hey, the Eizo LCD monitor gives Pioneer KURO like colors. What it's model name pls?
FlexScan S2100. It's an amazing monitor, I will make a full video about it.
Thanks a lot. ♥@@MidnightGeek99
I still play in my crt monitor, I love to play at 120hrz new games and is awesome how accurate you can be with out any input delay.
Yeah, the input delay is one of the most striking things when switching back from an LCD to a CRT.
Recent history is full of examples of superior technology being abandoned for convenience. Back when LCD's were first embraced, no one spoke about the lackluster visual experience. They only mentioned weight and shallowness of the display's depth.
We were tricked!
TN panels are quite fast tough. I have the Acer with TN 75hz. Quite glad with that for old games. Would buy crt Sony for 10 bucks but have no place for it now.
I have some TNs (Samsung) at 75 Hz, and they are ok, but the TNs have other issues, with the colors and the angles.
For older consoles (such as NES, SNES, Sega or PS1) it is better to use a CRT TV because they were designed for these technologies, but personally, CRT TVs hurt my eyes due to flickering, although the picture from these consoles looks better on crt TVs (IMHO).
Thanks for the video.
I still use a CRT. Ilyama and a 980ti with aio. Even modern games play great at 1280x1024. 👍
Nice! Widescreen is overrated for gaming, we went from 1600x1200 (CRT), to 1440x900, 1680x1050, 1920x1080...the vertical space is smaller even today.
Of course, we had the wonderful 1920x1200, but the guys above us decided that...neah.
I think 1280x960 is a better resolution for 4:3 displays since 1280x1024 is for 5:4.
@@GTXDash my CRT looks better at 1280 X 1024 even tho it's not 5:4
@@johnathanpearson3203 Sure. Nothing wrong with that, especially if the game still outputs a 4:3 aspect ration regardless of resolution.
What’s the first song in the background?
Something random and free, I can't say exactly which because I don't know, sorry.
@@MidnightGeek99 That’s alright thanks.
OH man. There's no better game to kick off this video 💜
Right? SW Racing is great for this monitor because the game is fast paces, and you can really feel the diference between CRT and LCD.
@@MidnightGeek99 tbf it works quite well on a 1440p 165Hz HDR 1ms VA display, frame limited at 24fps for most tracks in IL speedrunning it's far better than on my old LCD TV. I must find a way to try it on the CRT from my old win98 computer, as I have a VGA port directly on my motherboard, I'll see if it's even better.
@@Droopy95mkDSFair enough, modern and fast LCDs are way better than older LCDs.
I'm also using a 1440p monitor, with 144 Hz, and it runs ok.
@@MidnightGeek99 these newer displays are huge improvements. At least to me, dragged that same oldass tv around for 10 years and I was sick of seeing windows not entirely display because of the 1360x768 resolution that's far outdated for Win10
@@Droopy95mkDS ruclips.net/video/LDv5CaIQM9w/видео.html
How close to your monitor you need to be to see all this problems?
Some of them, such as input lag, from any distance. But most of them are noticeable from normal sitting distances.
not to mention CRT monitors are also helps games with pixelated textures
Yes, the textures look better.
Whare do you get all these games ?
GoG and CD / DVD copy.
After work my eyes have motion blur turned on so I don't notice shit
lol
since my pc monitor died and I own a 21"crt tv I bought a vga2av adapter and god I couldn't read anyrhing, the letters and numbers were so blurry, resolution is important so crt tvs are good for retro gaming but suck as a pc monitor.
But it is true that crt tvs show better colors, watching my dvd movies on my old tv with component cables is an enjoyable experience, now is there a vga2component adapter? that would probably help to improve the resolution but I doubt it, I should only use a monitor for my pc.
That's right, desktop looks horrible on CRT TVs. On the other hand, CRT monitors for PCs look nice in the desktop.
the thing is, these CRT's are really expensive now compared to these LCDs that you can find at habitat restore for 5$
That's right, and in my side of the country it's hard to find something good.
Por favor, activa los subtitulos automáticos. Por cierto, muy buen video, muy completa la información.
Gracias! Lo he intentado, pero no funciona, no sé por qué.
I have this type of crt
Nice, I had 2, both of them broke.
Thats sad :(
Philips 107E CRT here.
i got CRT monitors but i dont got space
I feel you, I got a new desk recently, with hopes of ridding of CRTs under the desk.
What kind of CRT I that?
It was an LG F700P.
its sharper than most 1366x768 leds
:)
Wulfănștein, my favorite. Din păcate, CRT-urile devin din ce în ce mai scumpe, lumea a descoperit retro gaming-ul iar oamenii au scăpat de televizoarele cu tub. Totuși, consolele sunt perfecte pentru astfel de monitoare.
Cam da! Monitorul asta nu e bun pt console, trebuie TV :)
Do you remember 10-15 years ago? There were so many people who flat out refused to believe and pretended not to see framerates above 30 FPS.
I remember, I believed the same lie :)
The same was true about 16-bit vs 32-bit...the human eye bla-bla-bla, but using 16-bit was clearly different than 32.
Anyone have a list for the games he used in this video?
Star Wars Episode I, Mafia, Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire, PES 6, Diablo 2, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Unreal, KOTOR, Serious Sam 2, Quake III, Warlords, Far Cry, CS:GO, Flatout...
Wow, I did use a lot of games :))
So this compares a CRT to an old-ass LCD monitor, not a modern LCD monitor.
Here are my thoughts compared to a modern 1080p+ monitor.
Disadvantages of CRT monitors, TVs being a whole other matter:
- You MUST have a computer with the correct VGA port, otherwise you will have to convert your digital hdmi output into an analogue output, and you will get more input lag than if you used a hdmi monitor.
- It's huge and heavy
- Crazy flicker might make you sick
- Colour saturation isnt just a little bit poorer, it's much poorer.
- The image clarity is really poor so you can only have a few big things on screen at a time rather than lots of tiny things. Text in particular is an issue, even bigger if playing on CRT TV.
- Some people say they like 4:3 because it would logically mean more vertical image, but that's not the case. The 16:9 only adds horizontal perspective, it doesn't remove vertical image. The FOV is the same in both formats and there is no game I can think of where you get more vertical fov on a 4:3, because monitors have been the same height throughout! Vertical cropping was only really a problem with old movies and shows that used to be cropped to 16:9 to fit on a widescreen tv. Until people start developing taller monitors, like say a 4:3 flatscreen that's 21 inches tall, this isn't likely to change. People have much better horizontal perception than vertical perception so that's why horizontal has been winning out.
- Power consumption is big. It's like leaving the toaster on.
- Most CRTs have grey glass rather than a black matted digitizer. These reflect light much more than digitizers and you won't get anything darker than the colour of the glass no matter what you do. You can get some fancy pants black glass screens but it's not the same.
I would say the main benefit of a crt, above all else, is artistic preservation - Playing the games how they were originally meant to look. It's not directly "useful" for new games. The motion blur issues are pretty minimal compared to the flicker, discolouration, blurry image quality that comes with a crt. Personally I think the artistic preservation is important enough, depending on the game, that I'm willing to dip based on that alone. I've already done so with a little tv and maybe one day I'll get a bigger one. I really hope some companies jump on the retro bandwagon and make "modern" CRTs, maybe even ones that support hdmi input. Unfortunately one of the reasons CRTs were phased out so quickly is because they were getting expensive to produce.
The flatscreen LCDs of the past were also a lot better with image quality and saturation and stuff, honestly quite impressive how long it took before TVs caught up with how well monitors were developing.
One thing i didnt liked about it like you said is the brightness.
I had to close my windows during the day and turn off the lights at night, but then again.
It'll be too bright
Yeah, but it's easily fixed, turn off the lights :D
Amen
0:53 what game is that?
Looks interesting
Diablo 2 Lord of Destruction :)
@@MidnightGeek99 that was fast, thanks bro
my problem is getting one. I been searching for a year for a used CRT. No luck yet.
Wow, that's rough. There are no good CRTs around, or you couldn't find your perfect CRT? :)
@@MidnightGeek99 forget good. I couldn't even find bad ones 😆Should've kept all my CRTs back then.
@@retrotechpinas3640 This sucks!
unfortunately there isn't any other way to experience these older games if playing on original hardware. It's likely many also don't realise what an entirely smooth scroll is these days but crt is still the only hardware capable on entirely blurless movement. At the lower resolutions they also just look bolder and true blacks can't be overestimated. I have a lot of crt's because the difference is shockingly clear in person
unfortunately showing a crt's movement through an lcd etc that most will see the video means there will of course still be blur present on the football game for example if in fact it's running at 50 or 60
That's right!
The problem with PES was that the FPS cap was different than the refresh rate, a weird situation.
I need them so much, why did throw all of them away :((
I really don't know :)
Amigo que buen vidio tengo uno igual, por suerte te entendi todo uwu
Thanks! I'd really like to add english subtitles, so that anyone that wants another language can use the auto-translate...did not find the time just yet :)
The black levels of the right monitor looks perfectly black for an lcd display.
That's because that Eizo has a VA panel, most LCDs from that era have either TN or IPS, which have way worse black levels.
I don't think LCD monitors have great black levels. I just got my daughter a nice Samsung monitor and I'm not impressed with the black levels.
I will say that high end LCD TV's are a completely different story. I have 2 high end Samsung TV's and they have amazing black levels.
@@wg8561 LCDs with VA panel have decent black levels.
@@MidnightGeek99 I have the Samsung Q8FN and Qn800b TV's so I'm used to very near Oled blacks with my LCD TV's. So when I got my daughter's LCD I was expecting great things but it's only ok in the black levels. I guess you can't expect Oled like blacks on a PC monitor.
You should compare CRT with a new LCD. That LCD you are using is very old and has very slow response time.
It's hard to find 4:3 modern LCDs. The CRT is older than the LCD :)
All the lcd have slow response time, including oled. An oled at about 1200 hz compares to lcd at 60 hz in terms of motion clarity. It's why hardcore users that have an oled tv use the black frame insertion feature to simulate a crt image. That's the only trick you can use to make an lcd look as close as possible to a crt.
I threw out my crt dell computer monitor in 2014. Because i didnt know how to use it for consoles and etc. I regret it. Luckily I kept my crt tvs.
It's a shame, yeah. CRT TVs are another beast, unfortunately not very good for PC use, but for playing old consoles, epic!
The reason the armor has a bluish hue one the CRT is because it is silver metal armor, it looks way more acurate on the CRT vs the green/yellow looking LCD, CRTs are much more color acurate.
I was also keeping the CRT on 9300k
You can also change the color hue on the LCD to get a similar effect
I think the LCD is warmer to lower blue-light exposure
@@greatwavefan397 The trouble is WLED's in single cell LCD displays prevent colours coming through accurately (same for WOLED and especially QD-OLED with non-traditional sub-pixel layouts), RGB-LED LCD's however are much more capable of pulling off reference colour gamut, RGB Dual-LCD display are even better, better than single-stack OLED even, Dual-Stack RGB-OLED will be even better than RGB Dual-LCD, but it will take multi-stack PHOLED to topple CRTs dominance.
4-5 years ago there was one 22 inch or bigger SONY crt monitor at sale in my local OLX , not big price, i think he asked 20 euros , but problem was size and height, and I was loking that after purchasing 19 inch LG crt, and I had hard time to bring it at home, soo, I paseed to byu it, also one 21 EIZO i passed also, with similar price, they are not anymore at sale, still thats how it is, you dont have nor strength , nor room for thing that heavy and bulky , they need their own room . Also , sadly, today cameras simply cant record the quality of CRT monitors, soo, for those who never seen crt in live, they think we are lying to them, not to mention that they are watching this video on LCD monitors .
I rarely find good CRTs, at least in my area, and although I would love to have more CRTs, the scarcity and necessary space have the last word.
And finally you can get this monitor to the bed and sleep together.
:))) Sometimes it's noisy, I hate that!
Its a me Mario!
It's nice to meet you Mario!
I still can't play games on the maximum resolution and generally have to make it way lower, which of course on this laptop's screen looks all blurred and everything.
Exactly, but at least it's a laptop.
the LCD is a little choppy and the CRT 0 choppiness and the CRT looks better than the lcd resolution wise even though the CRT has lower resolution, and the CRT has almost no difference if you lower the resolution but lcd is better only color wise I would definitely go for CRT even for new games I always felt CRT's are better.
If you have a good LCD, you should be ok! Unfortunately, it's hard to find good 4:3 LCDs.
you won t have stutters on crt if your framerate doesn t mach refresh rate. maybe only in pes6(even there i dont have them) because is ps2 conversion. i m playing retro games on 100hz from 40 to 400fps without sttuters . Now and at the time it was released. Second, stutters don t have anything with your monitor crt or lcd. Game engine has. Tearing is what monitor does, due to low refreshrate
It depends on the game, FPS cap and frequency. Even in PES I have less noticeable stutters if I use a higher refresh rate, 75Hz was the worst, in PES 6.
You could get tearing at 120hz if your fps is over 200 the displauy could still be drawing parts of two or three frames on the same vblank cycle. Tearing is caused by the framerate not being in sync with the refresh and that is the only factor.
@@bdhale34 never seen tearing with 200+ fps and 100hz+ monitor. but ok, let say its possible..i haven t seen it in 23y since i have high refresh monitor.maybe you don t use it on max refresh(optimal).
@@goranzarkovic7350 Tearing is a lot less noticeable at high refresh rates, but it still exists.
I had my 3 of old good crt broken . :( they are a head away of lcd crap. Stunnig dynamics, no ghosting , no smudge, no yellowith dirty hints, natural coolors, picture looks clear by any resolution. The only thier drawbacks , they are big in size and consume much power.
Agree with all that you've said :)
So I have a 17" Samsung SyncMaster CRT plugged into my modern gaming PC that I sometimes like to switch to when I'm not working. It's good for playing games that benefit from no motion blur. And because I'm playing on a modern PC, I can run games at a high refresh rate like 100Hz or 120Hz and not have any games' FPS drop below that. Even a common CRT like a SyncMaster is a far better experience while gaming. Black levels are better, it's a cheap solution for high refresh rates, games look better at any resolution than they do on an LCD that isn't set to its native resolution, and even some of the problems mentioned in this video aren't really a problem because the room I'm using doesn't have a lot of light even at noon, and 17" isn't so heavy and bulky that it would be a problem.
Nice, I've tested some games from my modern PC to a 15" CRT, but did not have the time to really play, but it should be fun :)
And when it comes to retro (240p consoles) crt is the only option for me.
CRT without any doubt and i cant believe people say LCD (for these old games). Games that are a bit dark are straight unplayable on my LCD due to how excessive is the darkness and increasing the brightness makes them to look dull.
In this period I'm testing a Samsung 931BF...it's not THAT bad, but the colours are very awkward.
@@MidnightGeek99 Some games look better than others, especially the ones that have brighness settings in game like GTA Vice City which looks decent even without component cable and brightness up to max but the ones that dont have that really rely on the lightning in game.
Jose Mourinhoooo :)
Please don't call me arrogant, but I'm tech geek and I think I'm a special one!
Crt? Retro gaming? Is it ok if I did the opposite of retro?
And what's the opposite of retro? :)
@@MidnightGeek99 modern
@@NubAnSkrub This does make sense :))
The beauty of computers is that you can play newer games on older CRTs, older games on newer LCDs, and everything in-between.
0:10 game name? pls
Star Wars Episode I: Racer
It's a shame you didn't have a nice high-end 19" or 21" CRT monitor to compare with the EIZO LCD, a Sony G520 or Mitsibushi 2070-SB would have looked way more vibrant next to it and completly outclassed it, I know CRTs are much harder to film or photograph than LCD panels, but a 21" high-end CRT monitor like a LaCie Blue IV 22 would completly overshadow the EIZO LCD and look way more vibrant, not even QD-OLED can match a CRT monitor like that.
It's very hard to find a high end CRT that works well, plus you need the space for those bigger ones.
@@MidnightGeek99There are plenty (thousands) of healthy a working 19" & 21" CRT monitors around, I'd of borrowed one of a friend or something just for making the video, its still a great vid though, just a small critique is all, EIZO do seem to make the best LCD displays too, I'm gonna work on a project soon with a couple of 32" EIZO Pure-RGB 5K 16:10 240hz strobing P-IPS displays, I'm hoping to use them to make a Dual-LCD gaming panel, the end result should be better blacks than OLED, much better shadow resolution, far better contrast and brightness, colour luminance thanks to IPS have much purer & higher luminance whites/bright colours, so the combination of super inky blacks and vivid pure bright whites makes for incredible contrast levels, it should also have incredible greyscale and colour gamut, all that at 1ms motion clarity, will be better than any monitor on the market and a sweet companion to my main gaming CRT monitor.
I found my old f700b on my parents attic Nd a 109 phillips
Is it still working well? I found my first CRT at my parents attic, 20 years later :)
@@MidnightGeek99 yes working fine. Using it for the n64, snes, nes and win98se pc
I've got a CRT monitor that looks exactly like your LG, but it's a 19inch version, the F900p, that's what catched my attention the most on the thumbnail lol
Pretty good content, keep it up :)
Your F900P is amazing, 1600 x 1200@85 Hz...
Unfortunately, mine is not working anymore.
@@MidnightGeek99 Thanks, it's sad when they die, RIP F700p, I currently only use a G90f from viewsonic, let me know if you're interested in the F900p, mine's just gathering dust alone here. 😁
@@oneMurilognt Nice, you have some nice CRTs.
Also, I appreciate it, but the hassle of sending that monster is not worth it.
I'm actively searching for a nice CRT locally.
@@MidnightGeek99 Thanks, wish you luck on the hunt brother 💪
You've convinced me. I'll go looking for a 34" CRT monitor.
Great! I'd suggest to go with a 28" 1080P CRT, search for "john carmack 1080p crt".
Modern LCDs don't have blurring unless it's a VA.
Yeah, but you don't have 4:3 or 5:4 modern LCDs.
@@MidnightGeek99 For the 16:9, just turn off scaling and play with black bars - at least that's what I do with games that have a locked resolution.
@@FireOccator This is a solution, but I hate black bars.
Also, how you connect a modern LCD to a VGA-only output video card?
LCD is more energy efficient...it uses less electricity than CRT
It is, but the difference is not that big.