Adam Neely’s point, I think, is more or less what you said. The “scientific” framework we in the west use to describe music is insufficient to characterize all the sounds that the human ear may find pleasing. I think people take offense with the sentiment that “music theory is racist”, which isn’t a terribly good way of formulating Adam’s argument. All he is saying is that people educated in western musical schools tend to believe that they are qualified to say things like “western music is scientifically superior to other music”. Indian and Persian music, for example, partially by virtue of having twice as many notes, have much more complicated patterns of tension and resolution than western music. The fact that we in the west don;t educate students to appreciate eastern music, for example, means our students are missing out on a rich, sophisticated musical tradition. This insularity tends to breed racism
Adam Neely is a clever and gifted (if also occasionally rather smug) man who should stick strictly to music; his cultural and historical perspectives are hopelessly mired in the narrow prejudices of present-day Metropolitan liberalism. As a music theorist, he is a minnow against Heinrich Schenker's whale shark.
I'm sorry, but this is all a lot of virtue-signalling nonsense, and its comparisons between Western music and Indian/Persian musics is grounded primarily in the acquired self-loathing of Western intellectuals and their imitators in the general population. I doubt, when Indian and Persian music were in the process of development, that their practitioners and theorists paid much heed, if any, to music, including Western classical music, outside their own cultural sphere. It may come as a terrible shock to you, but in the days before the railway, the telegraph, wireless telegraphy, the motor car, air travel, television and finally the Internet, people did rather tend to be "insular", if all you mean by that term is that they remained completely embedded in their own cultures.
@@hankmerman1967 "Woke" drivel. That's not expanding the Western musical tradition but destroying it through substitution. This is part of a wider culture war against Western civilisation. You've clearly been reading "Subversion for Dummies".
Fun fact: Heinrich Schenker was a Jew from the Austro-Hungarian province of Galicia (now in Ukraine). He was also a genius, unlike most (if not all) of his current critics.
Hi Tony very courages to go into such a bizar issue You are totally Right Music is both art and Science. If people want to try to invent the wheel and play Jazz without any music knowledge....be my guest...everyone will find out howhelpfullany music theory is...Oscar Peterson a black guy based his solo´s much around the Blues stillhe knew and adapted music theory to create his style of course inspired on Art Tatum...but he perfected this style is my Opinion to put the evil eye upon Music Theory is the same to put a doubt on anything with number vife like cutting un apple open and than saying that nature is not totrust because the pentagram is there)like a friend of mine lost it once studying too much `Truth `Movement etc...he just lost it and put a doubt on nature itself... lol rofl what!"!==-#...totally a crap way to look at neutral aspects that aren´t coloured or racistic
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Thanx, Tony. Also appreciated your social commentary. Keep groovin', Jazz Brother of a different mother. 😎
Adam Neely’s point, I think, is more or less what you said. The “scientific” framework we in the west use to describe music is insufficient to characterize all the sounds that the human ear may find pleasing. I think people take offense with the sentiment that “music theory is racist”, which isn’t a terribly good way of formulating Adam’s argument. All he is saying is that people educated in western musical schools tend to believe that they are qualified to say things like “western music is scientifically superior to other music”. Indian and Persian music, for example, partially by virtue of having twice as many notes, have much more complicated patterns of tension and resolution than western music. The fact that we in the west don;t educate students to appreciate eastern music, for example, means our students are missing out on a rich, sophisticated musical tradition. This insularity tends to breed racism
Adam Neely is a clever and gifted (if also occasionally rather smug) man who should stick strictly to music; his cultural and historical perspectives are hopelessly mired in the narrow prejudices of present-day Metropolitan liberalism. As a music theorist, he is a minnow against Heinrich Schenker's whale shark.
Khayyam1048 Case in point!
I'm sorry, but this is all a lot of virtue-signalling nonsense, and its comparisons between Western music and Indian/Persian musics is grounded primarily in the acquired self-loathing of Western intellectuals and their imitators in the general population.
I doubt, when Indian and Persian music were in the process of development, that their practitioners and theorists paid much heed, if any, to music, including Western classical music, outside their own cultural sphere. It may come as a terrible shock to you, but in the days before the railway, the telegraph, wireless telegraphy, the motor car, air travel, television and finally the Internet, people did rather tend to be "insular", if all you mean by that term is that they remained completely embedded in their own cultures.
@@Khayyam-vg9fw Now that the west is no longer insular is all the more reason to expand music theory education beyond European colonialism.
@@hankmerman1967 "Woke" drivel. That's not expanding the Western musical tradition but destroying it through substitution. This is part of a wider culture war against Western civilisation. You've clearly been reading "Subversion for Dummies".
I think music have elements from both the science and the culture.
hi Tony i have one quewtion could we pkay dim over alt and augmented over dim chrds??? And what about F# blues over D7 or F# alt scale over D7 ???
Thanks: simple but useful.
Much respect for you sir, I'm glad I've found your channel!
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Fun fact: Heinrich Schenker was a Jew from the Austro-Hungarian province of Galicia (now in Ukraine). He was also a genius, unlike most (if not all) of his current critics.
How High the Moon. Cut and paste a section.
Hi Tony very courages to go into such a bizar issue You are totally Right Music is both art and Science. If people want to try to invent the wheel and play Jazz without any music knowledge....be my guest...everyone will find out howhelpfullany music theory is...Oscar Peterson a black guy based his solo´s much around the Blues stillhe knew and adapted music theory to create his style of course inspired on Art Tatum...but he perfected this style is my Opinion to put the evil eye upon Music Theory is the same to put a doubt on anything with number vife like cutting un apple open and than saying that nature is not totrust because the pentagram is there)like a friend of mine lost it once studying too much `Truth `Movement etc...he just lost it and put a doubt on nature itself... lol rofl what!"!==-#...totally a crap way to look at neutral aspects that aren´t coloured or racistic
OMG I cant believe the stupidity of calling music theory racist