Like A Dragon’s Creator Said It's Designed For Japanese Players, Not Western
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- This video takes a look at a previous interview with Like A Dragon's original creator Toshihiro Nagoshi.
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"when you try to please everyone, you please no one" - that japanese director
It's impossible to please everyone.
"The man who chases two rabbits catches neither."
As Joey the Anime Man once said: "Not everything is made for everyone."
Definitely this… seriously, devs should go back to understanding their niches and give them what made them love them, many games that made their name in the industry by appealing to a super specific niche are now trying incredibly hard to be loved by all and in the process they let their niche down
"Some dumb quote to make me sound profound and smart."
-modern quote from some rando on the net
As an American, one of the most offensive things to me is when a corporate overlord decides what is acceptable for Americans.
Daisy Trump pfp goes really hard. I love it
And then these same individuais force what is good for Americans to the rest of the world, not only asians, because everybody has to consume what is best for Americans (and east european). Simply terrifying. A New way of colonialismo.
Your pfp goes a little too hard
Seriously. They're not catering to "Americans"; they're catering to a small percentage of Americans that happen to have corporate power.
Of course it's for western players ... Just look the character, they look like a bad stereotype of asian people seen by western ones.
I hope "global standards" do not dominate development in Japan...
Censorship should be abolished, and make it a war crime when supporting censorship.
Klaus Schwab standards for you.
Its will dominate. Look at Palworld (an indie game from Japanese dudes) that have Body Type 1 and Body Type 2 in character creation.
Big devs and small devs in US and Japan, already adopted "global standards".
You are yapping again about the whole woke thing?
'Global Standard' is such a non-term, there is not one common standard... if there is it's a bland not saying attribute, devoid of any unique properties, something that has no meaning, something that doesn't cater to anyone, something that doesn't stand out.
You want to know why I fell in love with the Yakuza series? Because it was so unrestrictedly Japanese, not because it tried to emulate western games. If I want to play games catering to western sensibilities or with a western mindset, I get one from western development studios.
Indeed, about the only Western games that are worth playing nowadays are indie titles such as "Deep Rock Galactic", "Dwarf Fortress", and "Songs of Syx".
I had the same sentiment when playing Persona 5 Royal - insight into Japanese culture made the experience truly memorable and it is something that in Europe is barely imaginable without a visual medium to showcase it all
While I still love the new Yakuza games, I really miss the vibe the old ones had. Moving the series to Hawaii is cool, but it ruined so much immersion and just feels really weird when I'm playing the game.
@@gerbil8395I agree, it's a great game still, yet moving to Hawaii is a letdown of my Yakuza expectation. I mean just why?
Except you won't, because the western stuff is overall shit. The smaller budgets and indies occasionally do alright
I hope whatever Nagoshi makes next is a massive middle finger to these westernisation of Japanese games.
I'd be there day 1.
@@Vulpashopefully we'll hear about his new game this year.
Doubt it, he's working under a chinese company netease.
someone has to kick the localizer trojan horse out of Sega first before they evolved into 'ethics department'
Atlus are infamous for it and Lost Judgement have dialogue virgin translated as Incel, which is suspicious
And a middle finger to the moral guardians and soccer moms
Bandai Namco & Sega : we try to adjust ours to "global" audience
Sigma male Nagoshi : take it or leave it
More to the point...what do they consider "global"? When do they plan to include Africain, middle eastern, Pacific island or Russian values? All sounds like a good reason to call them racist to me.
Just make a good game and it will sell well. If a particular culture has an issue with something that's their problem. Really though, being different is often a good way to sell in foreign markets precisely because you aren't like the rest.
Boy they better add every person in this world for "global standards" if not that would be a racist of Sega and Bandai.
The man single handedly saved F-Zero.
@@00yiggdrasill00usually when they say "global" it means US and Europe only. 😂
@@ryuno2097 oh I'm well aware, but it sounds like a really good reason for everyone else to kick up a fuss doesn't it? I'm actually kind of amazed it doesn't happen more given how much of the world they are rather pointedly ignoring with the term.
The reason people like foreign products is BECAUSE their foreign. It’s something that wouldn’t normally be made here. Thomas and Friends, a UK series, found huge success in America and Japan because it was unlike anything they had at the time.
HOWEVER, not everything can be brought over 1:1. But what requires changing and HOW MUCH of it can be changed should be handled on a case by case basis, with the main concern being if it will be beneficial in the long run. But you should never try to fully strip away its original form, meaning, etc. UNLESS the original creators give you full blessing to do so. Problem is, there are people that use that as a chance to completely ignore all of what I said.
Edit: I should’ve clarified that I was talking about products as a whole (cars, food, entertainment, etc), and not just entertainment. For entertainment, if it can’t be 1:1, next best thing is 1:1.5, with the .5 just being some name changes here and there.
Exactly! Capcom found this out the hard way with that whole Western push a decade ago.
It goes further than localization though and into self censorship, plot lines and designs are being made in order to appeal to the barely existent modern audience, i dont know about the plot points of infinite wealth, but with the last game and general Squenix antics i didnt even bother to try the series anymore, i give them neither my money, nor my time.
Sorry I want it 1:1 being brought over.
Even japanese people enjoy my country's local cartoons...and they even dubbing the show too!
Absolutely not, to your second paragraph.
Like it should be. That is why people love Japanese stuff so much, because of the Japanese culture they are interested in. If they want US stuff, they should not get them from Japan, nor force other countries into making them as the said stuff is already available in the US. Nobody goes to a Chinese restaurant for hamburgers as he would go there for Chinese food instead. People also support accurate language translating to ensure the intent is the same in a different language, and sex dimorphism is the acceptable realism in fantasy as the characters are still fictional.
theyve already changed content in yakuza because of """global standards""", youre being gaslit LMAO
Preach 100% man As the youtuber Syberbolt once said: "I play games because they are fun. And I paid full price for them, because nothing was gutted."
He also says: "Stop forcing the consumer to accept what YOU want, and start giving them what THEY want!"
@@slvrshore5300 the culture war nut jobs want something yell at lol
unfortunately US stuff is barely US stuff at this point. Borderlands 2 vs Borderlands 3 are good time capsules for comparison, I find. And most people never asked
Ironically whenever things are altered for western audiences, they turn out to be more backwards.
Take Rina’s substory from Yakuza Kiwami for example: She is very open to Kiryū about how she likes women, but spending so much time with Kiryū makes her question her orientation. In the Western version, after they finally spent a night together, she plainly says that despite the experience she’ll rather keep sticking with women. In the Japanese original however, she comes to realize that she might like both women and men and that it doesn’t have to be a bad thing at all. And here’s the kicker: The official reason for why it was changed in the translation was because the original “could be considered offensive to the lesbian community”. I $hit you not.
Instead they decided to be offensive to the bi community. Well done moralist censors, well done.
Yakuza 3 substory too at that, im pretty sure the translation team have change since yakuza 7
A similar example of pandering to the west backfiring is how they made Bridgette from Guilty Gear trans. Not only did it defeat the purpose of his journey, it made his parents forcing him to dress and act like a girl over some ignorant superstition retroactively okay.
wenster value nowadyas is just dont offend gay, trans and jews
Western PC culture will be the end of entertainment in the extreme.
I would correct him a little. It's designed for Japanese players and by extension - people who want to experience a Japanese-player-designed video game, which is most people who play Japanese-made games to begin with. We don't want Japanese games to become Spiderman/TLOU/Horizon/GoW. We like Japanese games because they are Japanese games. Only thing we ask is fairly accurate translation with no localization that changes things to appease 'western sensibilities'.
localization is unavoidable. especially in ryu ga gotoku, there are so many jokes that rely on you knowing the language that i'd just recommend putting in the time to learn the language if you're serious about JP games. i do agree that it's often heavy handed, though. have played every RGG game in japanese and used to play with english subs. characters are localized in a way that tries to convey their original text pretty well for the most part. but in some situations, like akame in gaiden: how do you properly convey kansai-ben into english? i don't think vulgarity and an implied hick accent are too terrible of a choice imo. kansaiben sounds pretty informal compared to tokyo-ben.
@@EternalLovefield yeah, i think it is just getting to a point where the idea of localization has gotten dragged through the mud because of those who make changes for their own personal agendas rather than as a necessity for things that can't be conveyed through direct translations.
Just remember that you are not Japanese. Do not consider yourself one either
accurate translation with no localisation is asking for rice without a bowl, which kinda fair because i used my hand to eat one weirdass culture, but both translation and localisation is pretty much a same thing, hell man even this game have a substory make fun of weeb people doing everything ever so japan without even know what it meant
@@shin_nasrashthey should at least have the option if possible
Boycott until developers and publishers get the hint that we do not want censorship in our games.
Too many ambivalent gamers and woke gamers for that to work, but I'm doing my part anyway.
@@Vulpas That's why one should _only_ buy games that are "problematic" and/or "degenerate". When the lefties call you Nazi _and_ the righties call you pedo, then you know that you're doing something right.
it will be done in a much more hypocritical way, I think.
like square enix who made his department invisible concerning censorship.
What censorship has there been in like a dragon?
@@Vulpaswhat are you even yapping about?
The creator of the series looks like a boss from a Yakuza game 😂
The bigges piece of writing advice I ever received comes to mind:
"If you write something for everyone, you're writing for no one"
There will come a time when the global standards people have moved on to the next trend, and these companies will regret having betrayed their fans.
They hired yongyea you already know how bad Sega is gonna get. i bet bunch of these people getting hired are voicing out and having the worst suggestions possible like doing censorship etc
The reason I love these games is that they are NOT representative of the usual fare. Censorship is not a game feature.
What are you talking about lol. Japan censors too
@@Xxsorafan The thing here is that it's a censorship by their own terms. The problem with these new censorship is that it is dictated by an audience that doesn't exists, and the fringe that do will always hate them no matter what, as well possessing an obvious hypocrisy in the pursuit of their self righteous morals. That's the difference.
@@ikmalkamal5830 censoring anything inappropriate involving underage characters, and bigotry isn’t a bad thing. Japan also censors for a traditional and conservative crowd that only exists among the more older population of Japan so stop being hypocritical.
@@XxsorafanYou lost me at "bigotry" lol
@@RX29it's hard to take them seriously once they use that word lmao
Everything you need to know about the pressure Western moral guards are putting on the Japanese gaming industry. In 2019, it was considered cool to emphasize that you are making games primarily for your country and global popularity does not affect this. Now developers openly boast that they censored games for the sake of foreign wallets.
Only Japanese entertainment, since they're popular.
How about business economics? these are *commercial* games made for a *commercial* audience, and Japan accounts for
@@Retrofire-47 Leaving aside the cynicism of your take, I would like to remind you that people in the West love Japanese games primarily because they are exotic to them, and not because they follow Western standards.
Yes, and said foreign wallets are NOT going to open up to these dollops of Lowest Common Denominator Slop!
@@Retrofire-47 They're not making this to _actually_ appeal to a wider audience though. They're being lied to by their woke localizers. This is going to cost them money in the end, and even the influx of ESG dollars won't be enough to make up the difference.
It is and it should be, it's mostly a happy accident that so many westerners love it. I have been a weeaboo since people still said "wapanese", I love this franchise because of how Japanese it is.
I noticed something was off when there was all this drama over a dub that 99% of the western fanbase wouldn't even use.
Snacks and The Perry Bible Fellowship really did permanently change online discussion forever, huh?
The dub doesn't have anything to do with this, it's just Yong Yea's bad reception to criticism.
@@kflemonice The dub is absolutely part of it. It's all of localization. The dub of Gaiden literally changed whole lines (and even a few animations) in places to fit "modern audiences".
I’m confused what do you mean you enjoy how Japanese it is?
@@Xxsorafan Because i like Japanese stuff. It's a quintessentially Japanese game series.
And for that he is a Legend, among legends.
That's actually so good to hear. Japanese games should stay Japanese games and let the Western fans come.
Trying to picture japanese classics like Tokyo Gore Police if it was made for the global audience lol
Fingers crossed Nagoshi-san makes something new and worthwhile.
Nagoshi W
Just one thing.. Masayoshi Yokoyama is the key writer for the Yakuza series and Executive Producer and Director of Ryu Ga Gotoku Studio since october 2021.. wrote scripts for all the games in the series, and as important to the series as they were..
yep. and infinite wealth feels like another yokoyama game. as in it doesn't feel any less japanese than the rest of the series. if anything, hawaii is incredible because it's an unrealistic japanese take on the place. everybody is somehow bilingual, the english sounds like waseigo or when fluently spoken a dub over a cheesy 70s hong kong kung fu film, Roman is a slapstick parody of an american corrupt cop, they make tons of shitpost jabs at the US obsession with guns, there's a fucking cowboy job. oh and you can make the hot korean lady wear a bikini. it's somehow the most japanese game imaginable while mostly taking place in the US.
@@EternalLovefieldAbsolutely! I don't know where the series will go from now, but IW doesn't deserve all the side eyes
This. The team that's making new Like a Dragon games are still mostly the same veterans who made all of the older ones. LAD8 still plays and feels like a true Like a Dragon experience, even with all the localization "issues" that aren't new to the series at all. I hope people won't buy into the idea of "the series is becoming terrible" just because they're discovering some things here and there that have been inherent to the series (it's actually quite inclusive and "woke", as some might call it, if you've played through the series you'd know).
@@kflemonice Series before: house with a fireplace
Series now: house on fire
There is a nuance to things, you can't pretend that just because something was present in the past in some capacity, is totally the same as that thing being far too prelevalent today, spare me the excuses
@@noone12748 if anything that house have already been burned to crisps every since 2012, it kinda hard looking back at yakuza as a whole because the series have changed time and time, LAD8 being somewhat consistent with it storyline is a good sign if anything
I was in the military for a while. When I was younger and eating at the chow hall, I asked the people there about why they don't season the food more, and what they said was that they have to serve a lot of people, so they have to make food that everyone can eat. That means options that consider allergies, vegetarians, and people who can't handle spicy food or just don't like strong flavors. The end result is bland, inoffensive food that's edible, but no one likes... or at least gets excited for. They could tweak the recipes and make them great for 75% of of the soldiers, but the 25% that complain make it so no one gets what they want.
I get it but at least with food it can kill someone due to allergies. A video game isn't going to kill someone for not being inclusive lol.
While I understand what you're trying to say, the example you're giving isn't great to get that point across. Allergies and the like can be dangerous to some people and at worst it can lead to death.
With something like military, I assumed they're taking the best way to get food for everyone because assigned budget from the government notwithstanding, plenty sure the actual military institutions don't get much at all to cater to everyone, so they went with the common denominator instead, not to mention having someone sick there wouldn't be great for everyone. The example would've worked if you're talking about a standard restaurant instead of a military complex.
The food in the Army defac was literally free and you always have the option to do whatever you like to it flavor wise. Hardly comparable to entertainment becoming bland Americanized shite. An allergy can kill you an offensive view can only hurt you if you’re a massive poosee.
Nagoshi is based
I hate how Western gamers are viewed negatively now because of a small very loud cry baby minority of them.
Don't you know? The WOKE has INFECTED all western society, and now we must rely on anime girls to free our minds form their CORRUPTION!!!!
Yeah that's just how it is when a series gets popular. You start getting really hateful people who don't actually care about an issue, but rather use it as an excuse to platform their ideologies. I saw a guy complaining about trans rep in the game when a couple games before this, we literally saw Kiryu defend a trans woman due to his ideology.
this whole situation is so ironic considering that kiryu's initial stint in prison and ichibans 18 years left them grappling with what is socially acceptable in a new era. Western fans complaining about this really dont get the irony and I think that is hilarious.
"Global standards" you mean American standards
Not even that but rather elite Californian standards.
I know it's been years since Nagoshi stopped being in charge of the franchise, but a lot has changed since he left RGG.
And I'm starting to think this is one of the reasons why he left, like Mikami or Kamiya leaving Capcom back in the day, these guys might not be in charge officially, but as long as they are part of the studio...they kinda are.
he didn't leave, he was pushed out.
He was removed from his position as COO. According to leak (don't know if the authenticity was confirmed) he accepted 200 free dinners during working days from another company (rumored to be Sony at the time) within one calendar year. So he was removed because he didn't put the interests of Sega before the interest of another company. So simply said he was doing something close to taking bribes from another company (at least in my company it would be considered that if that was so frequent) and using a lot of his time for that (200 working days per year)
As said it's just a leak, though, so you should take it with a grain of salt.
That's also likely why he was taken out of the credits.
@@TomuraDevalso that time when Nagoshi called Puyo Puyo players "virgins" in a SEGA official tournament lol
I'd say it's a combination of multiple controversies that made him leave.
Nothing has changed since he left RGG, literally nothing.
Japan needs to stay Japan
Agreed. If xenophobic means putting your culture and nation first before the mindless hatred of others, then so be it.
"Designed for Japanese Players" --with a business model that takes directly from a _Modern Audience_ centered Western anti-consumer design. People, stop buying these games please. Vote with your wallets or else you'll get 10% of a whole game next and pay for that in full price.
There's a Change petition called "Introduce A Code of Ethics for Localization of Japanese Media" that does a really good job of outlining both the problems in the industry and how true fans of the medium are tired of it. I know Change petitions can be a longshot (to put it mildly), but I think if we continue to build momentum on top of the backlash that has been starting these past few weeks then something positive will come of it. At the very least we can't let these 'localizers' win without a good fight.
I game since early 90s and all of my first games where Japanese. I always knew that Japanese were a form of save haven. Sort of. Now, with all that ''ESG complaint'' badges and ''DEI initiatives'' enforcing multiplied by censorship - well now it is all gone.
Based. Hope it stays that way and more Japanese developers adopt the same mindset
Did you watch the video? LAD infinite wealth was already changed for western audiences.
@@disgaealikerasapOG it's not about whether or not things were actually changed, it's about the sentiment and the balls to actually say "this game wasn't designed for foreigners". I'd much rather import a Japanese game that has been left unchanged for western markets than to be left with no choice but to play the butchered version that everyone(including Japan) is left with
They can say one thing but do another. That is more of a point here. @@RaiRai214
@@mrbanditos3583 correct. That's why the hope is simply that one day they'll actually mean it
@@disgaealikerasapOGhow?
In my 30+ years of gaming experience, I've found that the Japanese games made with Japanese culture in mind are always the best games.
I don't the want content to be numbed for my Country, because the people that demand the numbing don't even play the games.
yup some western people dont know that yakuza (like a dragon) has cameos of actors and references from tv shows that they will not remember who they are.some overseas will get it but not all.
As a westerner, I think this is great . I feel we should celebrate our differences rather than try to make everything the same . I’ve really enjoyed playing the yakuza games as well as other Japanese games . Now do I think there are aspects of western games that could make games like yakuza better ? Of course and vice versa .
SEGA still can't quite understand its audience loves Yakuza because it's a JAPANESE game. We don't need western pandering.
I would love to see the original Japanese ideas implemented for us in the west. I don't mind big breasts or short skirts, I actually enjoy them in certain games. The world has gone mad, in today's age people would complain if the characters were wearing sacks
I may have said this before but remember years ago Japanese developers where trying to make games for western audiences in mind and that did not turn out good especially for Square and Capcom. Capcom eventually I think went back to what made them great as a developer but still they censor things that are not really necessary.
I love the Yakuza games because of how mature some stuff are because the protagonists are all adult men. So seeing a mature game like this getting watered down is just really silly and it definitely is gonna ruin it for everyone else. Now on I am getting these games on PC so i can apply a restoration patch where a modder puts in the japanese games but just translated
I wish it centered on mature women. Yea saeko is in her 30s in infinite wealth but the oldest woman in the series that’s heavy in the spot light is only 37.
@@Xxsorafan i would say most people in their older 20s or 30s are mature.they;re not highschool girls and the only one that has them is in lost judgment but that's something different entirely
@@featjie that’s true I would count 30 as mature and saeko and seon hee are for sure over 30. But the three most important male members are over 40 so idk I wish the gap wasn’t still 10 years apart but it’s whatever yakuza is still awesome and they have shown to be progressive and respectful (mostly) towards marginalized groups and that’s what counts
@@Xxsorafan i'd count anyone that can drink in their legal age as mature and not in school. it doesn't matter if these characters have big age gaps the whole point of these games is to be diversive, unique and they nailed it with every yakuza games i've played. i don't have any problems with that. i just want RGG studio making a yakuza like game with a female character that's a main protagonist
@@featjie We lost our chance to have haruka tiger drop a mf, we now need someone to one day carry that legacy.
Another thing is that reads like Sweet Baby Inc makes sure our script is WEF/ESG Agenda friendly
took me 10hrs into LAD infinite wealth to finally understand the chemistry of storytelling and gameplay they aim for. Before that point I was staring at the screen wondering wtf I just bought, but I stayed patient and it's now worth it
This is why the America gamers love the Yakuza series; because it's based on Japanese Culture, making it authentic, something new, a breath of fresh air !!
BS. Sega allowed all kinds of woke dialog in Infinate Wealth about sexism. Stuff a Yakuza would never say.
In the end of the day, Japan is the one that censors games the most
That's what makes the Yakuza games so good
>Yong Yea casting
>Censoring/avoiding "PROBLEMATIC" content
>Removing basic game features like New Game+ from standard version of the game
Fuck Sega, they can keep their new Like a Dragon game, We still have Yakuza 0, Kiwami titles and Yakuza: Like a Dragon
As much as I would like to agree, there’s people that are too invested in the Yakuza games to pull back now.
Infinite Wealth is amazing but fuck Sega
After hearing that global standards BS, I was reminded of when they removed all those side missions involving running away from that crazed cross-dresser to avoid getting harrased by him in Yakuza 3's remaster. That was possibly the funniest thing to have watched and than play through and hearing about it being removed kept me from playing that remaster ever since.
With that being an example of pandering to modern times and censoring and removing stuff for those easily triggered, than I would rather stick with the original PS3 iteration that lacked some features of its own beforehand when brought to the West.
Amazing because Americans don't really want the things that Japanese developers are told we want anyway.
😢 Annnnd there goes our final bastion of uncensored art
Instead, they're just filling Yakuza with paywalled NG+, DRM, and overrated Twitch streamers!
Nagoshi necessarily needs to create a "Ryu Ga Gotoku destroyah" asap.
Japan seemingly is not understanding that we (the west) love japanese games (or products) because they are japanese. Not westernized global crap because ultimately, when trying to appeal to everybody, you appeal to nobody.
Sega, you used to be awesome. So, get a brain and look at what is happening to Square. Do NOT follow them.
When He does make one hopefully it's a brawler.
"global standarts" is what i use when describing grey sludge
Namco too? Now that's bad news.
Wishing the Yakuza series got big was a huge monkey paw moment.
I have never once in my life wished for _anything_ to become a big hit/mainstream: everything that becomes mainstream turns to shit (see gaming in general!).
I'm not exactly one to quote the bible, but "do not cast your pearls before swine" is damned good advice.
Japan was better when most developers had this attitude
No it wasn’t. Times change. Things acceptable 10 years ago someone’s won’t be. That’s how it works. Get over it
@@Xxsorafanwhy should they bow to usa standard? bc lets be real it isnt even euroepan standards is all your wierd tendency to feel more progressive for the sake of it
@@1chibanKasuga it’s not bowing. The younger generation of Japan are a lot more progressive compared to the old traditionalists still in power. And it’s funny how your name is based off a character but that character would support everyone especially marginalized groups
The yakuza series was great because of this mindset. As other japanese games in the past. Westernizing means losing identity and appeal. Put it in your thick skulls, idiots at Sega and Namco.
Exactly F how global feels. They didn't put the work. When creating the game, they shouldn't have a say on what to put in or take out of it.
the thing that drew me to japanese games and other media was the fact that it DIDNT have some of the elements that western games and media have, the japanese games I love are unapologetically japanese and they offered me something completely different. i honestly hope japanese game developers and other companies realize this is the case with most of their global audience and that they will reverse course on these choices to work with "localizers" who are actually just glorified censors/political activists
LAD always was a Japanese centric product. There's a damn good reason they originally didn't want to publish it in english during the ps2 and ps3 era. It only came over due to persistent demand from the very dedicated fanbase. But now that it's achieved mainstream appeal, some of us wish it hadn't...
The problem with "global standards" is that for certain series like a Gangster series like Yakuza, or for more barbaric franchises in Entertainment like the GOT franchise, they're being neutered to try and appeal to people that just don't like those types of stories, plus having 2020's views in a Gangster Game (which is what the global standards calls for) is really bad writing imo, Gangsters by and large are not going to have the most politically correct opinions on a lot of different issues.
Basically common sense needs to be brought into writing fiction.
Sadly, Nagoshi isn't on the Yakuza team anymore. Hopefully, the current team doesn't go off the deep end.
Very Interesting video and see why The creator of Like a Dragon left SEGA because SEGA does not agree with the mindset.
What he said is also what the weirdos requesting more races and demographics in manga need to hear. Like I am black myself and I do not know why people always whine about needing more black people in manga when it is made for Japanese people firstly and usually based in Japan
THE ONE THING MAKE YAKUZA LOVEABLE IS THEY ARE JAPANESE CULTURE
I too play japanese games such as the Like a Dragon series, or the Persona series, for the culture, and I don't want that to change due to modern times thinking that westernizing everything is the best way to go about business practices in the future. That be said, I'm not ready for people to combine this interview with the recent global standards development ideal and decide that all gaming culture is "so woke it is broke" from these developers without actually playing whatever new game is developed and judging it on its own merits. There's so much more to worry about with the localization process of games without worrying if recent japanese games are too westernized, at least in my opinion. I'd love for localization teams to stop rewriting lines and such for floppy and unsubstantiated reasons, for example.
F "global standards" stick to the ORIGINAL vision game directors , DON'T compromise
While other devs try to appeal to the western market first and comply to the stupid western standards (I’m sorry but i hate them, you can disagree with me but that won’t change my feelings towards current standards here that try to not offend anyone rather than “be liked by the majority” which are two entirely different things) this man’s philosophy is super genuine.
The counter example is the dude from FFVII that bashed himself and the original FFVII for not appealing to 2020s WESTERN standards in the f***ing 90s in japan….
Yapping, Infinite wealth still has the same japanese flair from the other games, so does Gaiden. Pointless discussion on this regard... also, Yokoyama was working in Yakuza from the outset, he is not some new face to the series at all
I actually play Like A Dragon games, there's no mega evil western censorship there like you guys think
Yokoyama has been the writer for RGG since the first game in 2005, so it's in good hands
Please go talk about something else and keep your hands off this series, the last thing i want is people like you plaguing the discussions surrounding this game.
It's all a big grift to make ad revenue for this channel lol, why else would he make multiple videos about this and use a years old interview from a website that's infamously known for plagiarism to prove his point?
@@wakeykun just throwing this out there cause people who don't know better are gonna take all of this as completely true without checking
When the OG director is gone the vision is dead its going to be a shell of itself later on
Idk what 'global standards' mean here tbh, Yakuza has always been inclusive, diverse, with easy to understand controls and a pretty easy difficulty?
remove trans quest like in yakuza 3 remastered globally and not jus for the west version. this is just dont upset lgbt folks in us
@@1chibanKasugabro, why they should do it, i was crying from laughing when i saw “Daigo the Crossdresser” in Dead Souls, LMAOOOOO
And that's why the games became popular. The reason that manga, anime, and other Japanese products are becoming so popular is because they offer something different from Western media. Sadly, so many corporations from both sides of the world can't seem to grasp this and think that if they Americanize the products, they'll boost sales.
I’m disappointed he didn’t say it was meant for BASED gamers
ok but isn’t the problem surrounding the fact that they charge for new game plus🙃
When a game becomes popular in a market that it wasn't focused on it's a nice surprise for the developer. Changing the direction of the game to fit another market betrays not only the Japanese audience you made it for, but also those in the new market that gave it new success. Investors always want more. They fail to understand the simple principle of demand. I don't go to a Pizza place and end up disappointed they don't serve tacos.
It's not just a censorship problem either. Nowadays publishers try to push the same battle pass and seasonal shit that wasn't designed for their game. The gaming scene has become so bland and now their trying to do it in the writing too. Failure is inevitable when you try to sell the same thing everyone else is. So far it hasn't gotten to deep in the Japanese market but it's sad to see it happening at all. Gaming as a whole is being dragged down by this mentality. It's less exciting year after year.
Whatever the case, global standards or not, rgg8 is the best yakuza game, can’t put it down, over 70 hours in and still ready to do ng+ on hard difficulty when story ends
Most definitely, Japanese players used to pachinkos will find the game’s DLC practices more in-line with their thinking 😂
Sega needs to know western gamers want their games to remain as Japanese as possible! Western games studios are horrible these days, japanese games are all we have left. Stop censoring your games for a small crowd of people that have zero intention of buying them!!!!!
Neutering game for the "western audience" is like dubbing anime.
As a Japanese speaker I have the privelege of playing Japanese games without relying on "woke" localization. Every time I see clips of Japanese games I always feel like I dodged a bullet. But if the trend of devs being forced to change their games to appeal to Americans, and I'm saying Americans because I know it's their doing for the most part, I will just avoid any discussion or content about any JP games I like that's in English. Which would be a lose for me and a lose for the devs. I didn't feel too much of the "wokeness" when I played RGG 8 but if SEGA goes any further than I may just lose interest in RGG as a whole. Which sucks, it's one of my favorite series.
And as an Englishman I love playing this series with Japanese audio and absorbing the quirkiness of it being unapologetically true to its roots.
Sadly already confirmed they caved, westernised progressive dialogue has already been discovered, dialogue that even breaks lore for the characters saying it, plus it has already been confirmed that they will be changing the way that “lgbt” characters are presented so as to not be offensive to “western audiences”.
Yakuza is yet another fallen Japanese franchise
As an old (very old) Fan of the Franchise, i was realy hyped about this game. And yeah, i´ve also played "Like a Dragon 1".
But this game feels sooo goofy to me. Sure, i have fun with it, but i cant often believe how bad the scripting is.
Like they want to appeal to everyone, even Nintenbabies... and as a Fan, im dissapointed.
And let´s not talk about the DLC´s!!!!
I wish i could refund that shit on Steam.
What absolute chads. Somehow they get the western fans better than the managers who are supposed to know the western market.
A hard pill to swallow for a lot of players, I'm sure.
People seem too concerned about pandering and stuff, getting outraged about everything "woke" but forget that this game's biggest issue is not even about that as that was never an issue, but the lame new game+ locked behind a paywall. None of you all were talking about this. If ubisoft or some other major companies do this, it would make news in many major gaming sites and the outrage would be insane, but sega got away with it.
They should in no way have to change the content for the West. The Yanks never change any of their crap for Japan or even other Western countries. Japan should have the same right.
Pretty nice, now they can take away everything we love about japanese games just because some reviewers think americans can get offended. As a brazilian I think this is just shit: many american games are inapproriate for brazilian standards, and that is exactly why we love those games. If I want to see something appropriate I could watch tv or a movie. Just let our games be what we love them to be
That may very well be why they've gotten so popular here in the west. Since Yakuza 0 released the popularity of this series and Judgment has been blowing up here. That's one of the most interesting things about Infinite Wealth is Japanese protagonists learning about western culture and vice versa.
I actually hope that Japan slows down on westernization of their games (and censoring for the western pearlclutchers). Some of us play these games to experience the unique Japanese perspective.
Og creator looks more badass than any game villains
I hate "global standards" I play Japanese games is so I can see their humor because I can actually get it.
If I want western games I would play them, If Sega wants to go that route than, Well as a huge fan of Sonic I'll have no choice but to walk away. That's what I have started doing, It did it Marvel, DC, Cartoon Network, Disney.
I'm sick of ESG, DIE, and Tiny little baby toy games.
It's starting to look like I'll have no choice but to look back at past games for my Sega fix.
Someone has clearly never a played a like a dragon game lmao
@@chilledpiplupI feel like most people here didn't
@@chilledpiplup So a japanese middle age dudes calling sexist another dude in a casual convo in a game about outlyers is not woke or clearly out of place ?
it must be we all here are bigots xd ofc.
@@manurr5287 imagine unironically saying woke in 2024 😂😂😂
@@chilledpiplup ofc the dude who clearly is biased with those views is the one defending the game XD the only way here was ti dismiss my comment instead of actually debate my take, childish behavior
Yakuza is gonna lose it's unabashed Japanese-ness, and it will be worse for it.
I got to enjoy Yakuza from the beginning and have loved the franchise up to now. It had a good run, but if they're going for globalization, paid game modes, and contradicting the creators vision- I'll probably be heading out soon
It‘s this very culture shock that is so appealing to me as a western guy. Why would I wanna play more western games, I got so many
Well, Like a Dragon was nice while it lasted.
The series became popular because it was so japanese. Localizers claiming its popularity was their doing is revisionist history and a massive disservice to the game designers and programmers that actually put in the work to make something worth localizing.
Western players like the series precisely for this reason. The japanese aesthetics and sensibilities are what draw us in, so don't bloody censor it.
Catering to everyone gets in the way of actual writing. It eliminates identity, variance and good characterization. Some characters must have flaws that others take offense to in order for a good story to be told.