Read the book people. Peter is honest to a fault. He is harder on himself more than anyone and owns up to a lot of stuff. More than any other KISS member has done. All Paul does is bash Peter and Ace, makes himself look like a perfect person, Peter is honest about his short comings, the most honest one out there now.
Just think if these four guys could have gotten along from the start in ‘1973? Unfrinkin believable!!!!!!!! The talent together complemented each other so much………………………….as a 12 yr old in 1976 when my neighbor had The Destroyer album, then heard KiSS Alive I WAS HOOKED…….they ruled the world.
A lot of people forget that if it wasn’t for Peter and ace coming back in the band, then kiss would’ve also been broke. Kiss Wernt doing well at all during the revenge era. If Peter and ace didn’t come back then kiss would’ve died out.
Yes, you are 100 💯 percent right!!! You can't have a reunion tour without Peter and Ace, and get that through your heads!!! That's the definition of a reunion, duh!!! Peter and Ace were amazing and the real talent in band in the original lineup days anyway, fact!!! Peter and Ace the best
Eddie is such a big mouth! His interviews are horrible, won’t let anybody talk! He’s an egotistical maniac that thinks knows everything about music and metal! Talks to much and can’t play any instrument!
I agree, Peter was still my favorite and the best one of the group and he didn't only get less money and sold out, but this jerk off interviewing him is trying to talk and interview himself? Lol Let Peter talk people, Paul and Gene always never appreciated the insane talent Peter Criss had in the band and now this bullshit interview is the same treatment!!! Love ya Pete, your the best!!!!
@@Blueking-k7c Why does Eddie have to play an instrument to be a good interviewer you goof? You dont have to play an instrument to know or like music you geek. Anyone who calls them self the godfather you know is a complete douche bag virgin tool boy!!!!
before the reunion tour ace and peter were broke. afterwards or during they became millionaires. what is there to complain about? yes gene and paul made more, but they were keeping the show going while those 2 just left. could've been happy about the money they were recieving to just play, but no.
Whoever said that Pete and Ace were paid for the rights to the makeup and their image was right, but mind you, Peter and Ace said lawyers and a ton of red tape run around still screwed the best two members and fan favorites of the original lineup? Fact!!!
This is kind of like me and three other guys starting a business after years of running this business with three other guys I start doing drugs not doing my job not pulling my weight so they vote to fire me out of the company I come back 20 years later they pay me good money as an employee then after a while they tell me they don't want me back anymore because I haven't changed so i go off and tell people how much the other guys suck for not making me an equal partner in the company I helped build even though I quit on them and f***** up even while they continued without me and ran the company for 20 years without me. love you Pete you were a part of the greatest rock band ever but you f***** up and now sounds like you're playing the blame game instead of showing up and say I f***** up I just can't work with these guys and it's all on me. paul gene gave you a 3rd chance made you a multi-millionaire enjoy the rest of your life.
No Paul and Gene didn't MAKE Peter a multi millionare. The original band coming together and putting the make up back on lead to the FANS making them multi millionares again. The two jews were not doing so well at the time and KNEW the reunion was going to make them massive amounts of money that would not have EVER been made had Ace and Peter not come back. So this shit that Paul and Gene were so gracious by "allowing" them to make a few million each compared to the $100 million + is nothing but horseshit. They always say how they did just fine without them. If thats the case then why didn't they stop wearing the make-up after the farewell tour and go back to the "Carnival of Souls" lineup? Could it be that nobody would have given a shit about them? If not for Ace and Peter and the whole reunion thing Gene and Paul would have NEVER made the hundreds of millions and they knew that. Your damn right I would be vocal about it too!! They deserved much more and were basically pimped out so Gene and Paul could cash in.
@@moeskeeter7691 they didn't deserve s*** they were quitters drug users and alcoholics who were given multiple chances to stay in the band it was Paul and Gene who made that reunions happen it was Paul and Gene who let Peter and Ace be involved sound like the classic 70s fan only taking up for the two losers of Kiss. kiss was doing just fine without a Ace Peter. and was still putting out platinum and gold albums it's been proven Paul and Gene don't need a Ace and Peter in the band to be successful it's Ace and Peter who need Paul and gene to make millions of dollars which is why Ace wants back in the band for the end of the road tour this notion that Ace and Peter deserved more is b******* and delusional because before Paul and gene did they reunions. Ace and Peter they were damn near broke playing bars with a hundred people before the reunions tour musically kiss was at the top of their game with Revenge Kiss Alive 3 they were still playing Arenas in averaging six to eight thousand people a show after all the chances they were giving they were damn lucky Paul and Gene gave them a second and third chance to be millionaires Paul and Gene continue 20 years without them why in the hell should they just be able to come right back in the band and get an equal share did you take the time and go see the farewell tour did you see how bad Peters drumming was Paul and Jean proved they don't need Peter in Ace they even put better musicians with their makeup on and continue to do very well which Ace and Peter sold the rights to the real truth is they don't want Peter back he's too old and can't play the drums anymore at least for not more than 30 minutes and most kiss fans think Ace could have been a part of the end of the road tour but he's come out said it would take a lot more money then what they're offering even though it would be three times what he's making as a solo artist they offered him the opening slot for the end of the road tour and he refused to do it who wants to bring a guy back who constantly threatens to quit when something doesn't go his way shows up late and may get back on drugs and alcohol at any time Ace is best when he's the boss but when somebody else give him orders he can't handle it and that's when he turns to excuses drugs and alcohol
Billy Cain But from that logic gene Simmons gave up on the band in the 80s and left it all to Paul. Why not kick him out to then? Paul even said the betrayal was just as bad from gene as ace and Peter. The only one that kept the ship going is Paul Stanley.
Peter got himself fired by putting more effort into partying & drugs than his craft. The band was in it's hay day & he messes it up. They were ruling the world & the fans loved them. Ace, who inspired me to pick up the guitar, screwed himself up! Both were an equal partner when they were at their best. They left the band, the other 2 carried on & kept it going. Can't blame them for others failures or bad decisions.
I would agree but add that I believe Ace when he says that if he hadn't left he would have killed himself. Remember, Ace joined a slick, black leather heavy rock band and was suddenly playing "Shandi" and "Dark Light". I personally love both Unmasked and The Elder but that was a far cry from Dressed to Kill. Even Paul admits that from about 1978 to 1982 they were all a little full of themselves. At least Ace had a decent solo career. I also believe that Paul and Gene thought they would have to "help" Ace with his Solo album - that without help was the best selling, hardest rock album of the four. Paul's sounded like a Kiss album (minus the ballads), Gene's was a train wreck, and Peter's was just the wrong feel for Kiss. Peter proved over and over in his career that he just musically didn't get the Kiss fan. Listen to the demo for "Dirty Livin"" or "Beck" (Beth), then listen to what was released by Kiss. Peter just didn't get it. It's no real surprise that he just didn't sell records. But still has this arrogance to say that he feels like he's "owed something".
Failures??? How about Unmasked? The Elder? Drug problems or not, Paul and Gene were exerting more control and they both jumped ship before they looked like buffoons being in that band. First, their audience turned into 8-year olds, then by '79 they were actually getting booed on the Dynasty "Disco" tour. Peter complained about their new musical direction the most because he had no say otherwise. He was just the drummer who might get to sing now and then. Ace was already paving his own solo path so he didn't care, it was just a gig. No wonder they both got high all the time, to escape the embarrassment of being in a band that got kids beat up at school for wearkng a KISS t-shirt. It was really that cheese ball Phantom Of The Park movie when the band started cracking, then the solo albums made it worse because it created a competition between them. Paul and Gene like to say that they weren't team players, but they were if they obeyed them. They always saw themselves as the band leaders because they knew each other first and found those guys later through ads and auditions, but KISS was more of an equal group effort in the beginning. Nobody was really in charge except for Bill Aucoin.
@@HanzonMacaque Woah, take it easy. Calling me a fuckwad can get your ass kicked. Sorry to pop your bubble dude, I was there, 1979, Nassau Coliseum, Judas Priest opened, I was 9, my first concert, loved KISS, loved the Dynasty album, but the crowd was mostly Long Island rock and metal burnouts wearing denim jackets and smoking doobies. The front half of the audience was booing and heckling after they played "I Was Made For Loving You", then Paul said something like "Aw, c'mawn! We're just tryin' to have a rock and roll pah-tay! Wooh hoo!"
Even tho Peter was making the least, it was still ALOT of money... Peter & Ace tend to forget that they weren't in the band for 15 years and during that time KISS were still a platinum selling band with a string of hits. 🤷♂️
They were not a platinum selling band and couldn't fill big arenas. The 96' tour brought them right back to where they were in 77' and it's because of Ace and Peter. Drugs and all.
@@chucklewis9938 Lick It Up, Animalize, and Crazy Nights all went platinum. Every tour from Animalize to Revenge sold well. The '96 Reunion put them higher than they ever were. Easily eclipsing their late 70's heyday...
@@chucklewis9938 your wrong you knucklehead. All of their albums from lick it up thru smashes thrashes and hits all went platinum. That's five straight albums with big singles and music videos and great tours that had plenty of sellouts and great audiences. Hot in the shade was a HIGHLY successful tour. Revenge and alive III tour was as well.
I love how you pieces of shit are now turning on Peter after defending him against Gene & Paul all these years. Here's a newsflash on what separates him from the other members today. He's not involved in any drama regarding KISS or their final tour and doesn't even respond when Gene & Paul diss him in interviews. But hey, assholes like you probably know more
@Mooch 514 Hey shit for brains, how about the fact Gene & Paul screwed him over all these years. How about you actually shut your mouth and learn what he had to go thorough before being an idiotic piece of shit.
Paul and Gene called this so called dope whoever said that ridiculous bullshit!!! Get it threw your heads Kiss fans, Peter and Ace were the real talent and fan favorites!!! The two greedy selfish knuckleheads had to suck it up if they wanted that money grab to bring the original lineup back!!! Peter is always been honest at least, he is telling his side of the story!!! God bless you Pete!!! 🖒
Ohhhhh Pete. Can you not just put your differences aside like Ace has done? Now you’re throwing Ace under the damn bus too?! Jesus!! If things were so bad on the reunion tour in the beginning why did you stay? Money?...Yup!!! He just doesn’t know when to quit. Peter is saying all this but yet, decides to meet up with Gene on his vault tour. Come on! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
Ace is the only cool one out of the band - Peter is a baby. Gene and Paul may be greedy ass wipes but they didn’t ruin their careers like Peter. That probably drives him bloody mad.
Stephen Joens I am not an autograph hound and don’t care to meet those who are famous, we all know it’s disappointing especially when they make you pay to say hello. Screw that.
@Stephen Joens Oops, sorry, wrong reply. I'll fix it. All these Peter bashing youtube critics secretly want to blow Paul's rocket while getting butt-fucked by Gene.
I feel no pitty for Peter.. as I remember he left the band or rumors have it he was let go ..he was lucky enough to be involved in the reunion era but theres no way he would of lasted anyway..he just cant play many shows with his health..Even Paul said Peter near the end basically drummed simple and soft with the drums turned up all the way in the P A system..I'm not a fan of the makeup today but Singer is an incredible drummer as the band continues until the final show coming next year I'm guessing
@Stephen Joens hahaha you're the biggest loser commenting stupid bullshit on everyones comments..Wow thinking about it YOU could be Peter Criss being a sensitive pussy! Being so defensive on all the comments which most are probably true..by the way Anton Fig is also miles better than Criss ...learn your shit before u comment rediculous stupid shit
Robbie Starz he said I sounded like Paul as well... I am certain it’s drunk Peter under a fake name going apeshit because we are right and he’s wrong! Peter was my first drumming hero. but who can respect a guy that pisses away a pretty easy job?? So easy that Singer looks bored AF playing the parts! Singer and Fig are on a different level than Peter even in his prime. I don’t like to bash the guy but my God go away and accept the fact that you cannot play anyway! 1996 was painful to watch and I felt bad for him. I wish Anton would put the cat makeup on and make Drunk Peter Joens really angry. If Peter comes from a jazz background maybe put together a kick ass big band and go nuts.... 🍻
It's hard to fathom why Ace & Peter sold their ownership rights & characters. They owned a 1/4 of one of the most successful rock bands of the 70's which also had a loyal but rabid fan base. It's easy to say this but I'm sincere when I say that I would never have made such a bad decision. Maybe Paul & Gene should've been a little softer & offered then a path towards being vested again but on the other hand, staying in the game, dealing with endless parades of lawsuits, professional decline, heartbreak & various betrayals no doubt turned P & G into hardened businessmen but I've never seen or read anything about P & G that indicated they were unethical operators, etc. If anything they stand out as ethical & relatively moral people with the caveat that no one is perfect... all of Genes consensual womanizing, etc... But he publicly condemned his past behavior and by all accounts is a good husband and father, etc. It's hard to get around the reality that Peter & Ace just blew it multiple times & part of the process is accepting it, learning the lessons and letting go of the bitterness. It is what it is.
Maybe money problems paired with drug addiction, ego and a desire to not be part of it anymore. Kiss was on the low and they didn't have the hindsight that the band would endure all those years later.
Peter answer that question himself. To him, rock and roll is one long party. It's not about being in the office. Not about business. And if you want to just party, then you lose. And as another commenter here said, they thought they were getting out when the getting was good. They thought Kiss was over. They both were greedy and made a terrible decision and they whined about it later.
Ace told Gene and Paul, " I want more money than Peter, he hasn't done anything ". Also, do 200 shows at $40,000 - $50,000 a show . 2 very successful tours, no expenses coming out of you check other than your taxes and paying another manager that you didn't need. You could come away with millions and not have to deal with all the overhead. Peter worked his ass off and to his credit, it showed during those tours.
@Mooch 514 "Gene and paul made kiss in 72" ...Give me a break. Gene & Paul were making that shitty Wicked Lester music back then. It wasn't KISS until the original 4 played together for the first time and the magic was born. Stop trying to rewrite Kisstory.
@Mooch 514 You call that "hard work"? Haha...sign me up then. I think Paul would disagree with you about Gene having been focused on KISS during the 80's. As for Paul being focused on KISS, all those years he was more focused on what trend was popular so he could imitate it and make money off of it. Gene & Paul milked the KISS name for all it was worth, even at the expense of their own legacy...they couldn't care less about it, or about the fans who do. Yeah, I'm sure Peter & Ace could be difficult to work with, but Gene & Paul have some serious issues too. Read about how they treated Mark St. John & Eric Carr.
@Stephen Joens I used to be one of those guys that thought the only KISS was the original KISS. Was so pumped for the Reunion tour, went to half a dozen shows or so. Was in a band at the time and my band mates went with me to one of the shows. Before the show my drummer was talking about how bad Peter was, I was ready to fight. During the show he pointed out the drum triggers to me, Pete was hardly touching the skins. I was devastated. Seriously, if you've never heard The Warning check them out. Three sisters from Mexico.
These are the FACTS: Once both Ace and Peter sold off their rights in 'KISS Inc' they were never in a position to get back in as Gene being Gene, Paul being Paul, well they would not even consider a 'buy back in'. Hence, contracts were drawn up and the contracts were simple, and I'm a lawyer and contact law is difficult even if a contract is black and white other factors can legally effect the contract. But this is what was legally put in writing. Ace would receive a set fee per show, 50 grand. Peter would receive 40 grand per show. BOTH were denied the 'real' revenue that has really come from KISS Inc, that being the revenues from merch. Think about this, Gene charges 20k to put his boots on, meet n greets make a stunning revenue stream for KISS. And it is the same with merch. Simple stuff, Peter/Ace signed on with their lawyers. Ace did not tell Peter he was earning 10k more until very late. Peter feels betrayed? Seriously? It was up to Peter at the contractual starting point negotiations to clarify what Ace was getting. From memory the 1996 to 2002 tour did around x200 shows? That means Ace earned serious coin but again he fell off the wagon, Peter also did not maximiser what he earned and we all know he left earlier than Ace. These blokes were treated the same as Singer and the clown Thayer, they were contractually speaking "hired guns". period. But both 'could' have ended up multi millionaires with more than a very comfortable life in retirement even if they do not, will not ever have Gene/Paul's 'fuck you' money. Peter 'is' KISS as is Ace. KISS expired in 2002. They have been a Thayer kabuki show ever since and that people pay to see a fraud shooting rockets out of his 'Tommy Thayer Gibson limited edition' guitar is comical. Peter should thank his lucky stars he got a second chance. I think Stanley, who to me is an egomaniac and NEVER admits he has faults was one of the best songwriting frontmen ever, Gene still can hold it Paul has been gone for a decade. But Ace is the one who pulled people through the gates, Ace with ALL his faults and he admits to ALL of them in his book, Ace is the member who'll always be loved the most. in my opinion. They will only ever be ONE SpaceAce.
Yes, but at least Tommy Thayer has the work ethic, and is also a multi-millionaire. The same with Eric Singer. Criss and Frehley just couldn’t cut it afterward.they listened to the wrong people.
Listen to Eddie take up for his friend (Ace)....”That must really have been weighing on him”. If it was Paul or Gene, Eddie would have been all OVER them
Not really we Love the Music, but its a Big band & 2 members wanted to Party, 2 wanted to keep the Band going. peter does whine a lot & did Nothing from 1980 - 85 ( had a Band Balls of Fire ) then nothing from 87 - 95 and since he has been out since 2003 he has Released ONE solo album titled one for all. he is LAZY
Paul and Gene wouldn't even play live at the induction ceremony for the hall of fame!!! Disgusting, Peter and Ace were able to let by gones be gones and that arrogant Stanley told Gene, we are going to do the hall of fame induction, but we will never play on stage with Peter and Ace again? Disgusting bastards, I love it that Peter and Ace got the biggest ovations as well!!!
Last thing he and Ace ever did was let bygones be gone. They both hold grudges and whine but when Gene and Paul cut him his check when he left in 80 he thought he’d won
No one ever talks about this but Ace and Peter both were paid for their stake as founding members of KISS when they left in the early eighties. They were also paid for the rights to the make up and the characters of Spaceman and Cayman. That is why they could not sue over others using the characters!
Gene's whole life is about money, once upon a Time in the early '70s they were just punk kids and bums on the street to, Paul and Gene forgot what reality is.. From what I heard, Paul and Gene treated Eric Carr like crap too.
I know what you went thru Peter and I agree wholeheartedly and support you. You made music with your drums, Eric just pounds on them. You are and always will the The Cat Man, the one who matters. Bless you Peter, you and Gigi, keep the faith. Your book was ok except for all the cussing but I realize that was the past. Take care and hope you get to appear on the last concert of the End Of The Road Tour as you were contacted about.
W'ah, W'ah, fricken W'ah, Someone call the W'ambulance, on this "dramaqueen" Peter Criss for christ sake being in KISS is a job and now that your sober (allegedly) it all of sudden sucks rite?!? The last time i checked when any of us report to work there are rules and regulations one has to abide by and one is leave your girlfriend/ wife at home not to work.
Peter should thank his lucky stars that the reunion tour happened. His drumming was so bad on the tour, it was like he won the lottery. Paul and Gene are control freaks, but they did keep it going all these years. If it was up to Ace and Peter, Kiss would have been a blast from the past with no real value years ago.
stephen geraci exactly! If you read Paul’s book and the chapters about the reunion tour, he says it was so bad that Tommy Thayer had to really-teach him his parts! Peter had always been a very average drummer. Just back in the day, he had the swagger and the attitude! He also had the means to become a great drummer, but unfortunately after Kiss, that’s what he lived off of. I’m Peter Criss, the Catman, but I never practiced to hone my skills or get any better! Something else that was eye opening in Paul’s book is that, for the most part, he controls every aspect of KISS. Even Eddie Trunk has said this in other interviews.
Ha, how stupid!!! Peter's drumming was fantastic on the reunion tour!!! Lol Unbelievable, apparently everyone is a drum critic!!!! Get a clue, he is one of best drummers ever on the planet!!!!!!! Go Pete
@@crollinsphoto, Of course, he said that. If he could prove that he was not of sound mind when he signed away his rights he would have a case. This hasn't happened.
Peter fucked up the first time, with the dope and then deliberately fucking the time onstage. The second time, he couldn't do anything but tap the drums, and they had to pull so many tricks to make Peter sound good.
Poor Peter... got fired cause he couldn't play anymore ... and proved he couldn't play much better when he came back. Carr and Singer were way better drummers and far more professional. Playing shows stoned and not giving 100% for the people that paid to see you is not paying your dues
He even admits right off the bat, yeah ace was late to an early rehearsal for the tour. I mean dude! Why would Paul and Gene take you guys seriously if you didn’t take the band seriously? Once again it’s your own fault! Why fans can’t comprehend this? Instead fans blame it on Paul and Gene. Not the alcoholic drug addicts who were riding the coattails of the true band leaders
Peter. “When the shows got bigger and crazier things got out of control”. They had been like that. You and Ace just were not part of it. When Peter left KISS it was rapidly declining. Eric Carr came on board and helped right the ship. Wonder what Erics estate is getting. Im sure there some royalities,, But is KISS throwing anything that way? Honestly im curious because KISS is not GM or Ford. They dont have pension plans and benefits. You get paid when yer rollin and you are working and ambulance when its over if you didnt save and make some wise investments.
The "betrayal" by Ace never made sense. He negotiated better terms and he is much more of a "name". Peter's book is just him being a victim over and over. He was my hero as a kid and still one of my favorite drummers. That being said, I never want to meet him.
DITTO Count Von D, Whilst I thought his autobiography was exaggerated, I wanted to believe Peter. Unfortunately, his ex-wife Lydia Criss in 2017 said 70% was complete BS. Peter Criss according to Lydia C is a terminal whinger, has an unbelievable, tragi-comic right self entitlement and acomplete liar. Criss was so drug addled from 1977 - 86 that he couldn't remember any stories correctly. 1979 - he only contributed one song on DYNASTY. The song Dirty Livin,' clearly left over from his then poorly selling Solo album. Heroin - while Criss's producer of choice Vini Poncia and the other band members worked on DYNASTY he was snorting heroin in France. C riss then takes part in the mediocre to poor ticket selling Dynasty tour and deliberately sabotages KISS live performances.
Peter was not really the right drummer for KISS, he was a different generation. They really needed a power drummer, not a jazz/swing drummer. Peter did the drugs and ruined his own career, he can't put that on anyone else. However, I do think that the first reunion tour in 1996 should have been cut four equal ways after all the bills were paid. After that, they should have gone their separate ways, they knew, all of them they were going to get greedy, be treated unfairly, old grudges come up.
Stephen Joens 😃i think i figured it out - so mr. criss it is reported that you are worth 5 million dollars. You can’t survive with 5 million dollars? Ever think about drinking cheaper alcohol? Cutting out coupons? There are ways... Mrs. Criss expectations a little too high?? Peter was cool until we figured out his drum parts by the age of 10. 😆😷
I can't take sides. If you listen to interviews from all 4 original members, they have plenty of shit piled up against one another, some legit, some not. I love the band, all 4 in fact, but I can't take sides.
No people need to realize Paul and gene kept it really 15 years after ace and Peter walked out on kiss and the fans gene and Paul gave them back a bank account why blame Paul and gene they where making money on their own with out ace and Peter those guys needed paul and gene but again ace and Peter walked out on kiss and the fans paul and gene are loyal to kiss the fans and themselves
Ok, for starters I saw Kiss in the 80's and it was a far cry from what they were in the 70's and what they would become with the return of Ace and Peter. Kept it limping along for 15 years is a better description. I saw those concerts with maybe 5,000 fans not the 20,000 + of the 70's and the reunion. and one could argue that if they had let it die off with leaving of the original members it would have generated an even a bigger response from the fans. No, they owe Ace and Peter a great deal and keep in mind with their current lineup of Pretend Peter and Fake Ace they still do a show with most of the songs from the Ace and Peter era.
I'm no fan of gene or Paul, but come on. Peter and ace signed up to the deals. Shut up and get on with it. But no crying and moaning, drinking, poor playing, turning up late etc. Pathetic.
Really? Ace was so bad their manager had to cancel and reschedule the European Tour 3 times because Ace could not make up his mind to go or not, finally he said no and they replaced him. Ace is no angel.
Fair to me would have been to look long term, But I wasnt there and watching first hand the attitudes,. But if I was Gene and Paul I would have after all bills was paid split the profit 60/40,,, Ace and Peter would have got 20% each,, That would have been more than fair if you ask me, Paul and Gene kept the ball rolling and I can see how they both felt, If Gene and Paul didnt keep the band going those two wouldn't have received millions in merch over the years. But at the same time, Those 4 started one of the longest lasting ,highest earning band, When the band started they all was equally needed, And on the reunion tour they found themselves at that point once again. If the original band was together for the end of the road every venue would be sold out, You dont need to be friends, You just need to work together, Everyone has had to work with someone they cannot stand too, Thats life, Money went to these guys heads, How much money does one need to be happy? You cannot take it with you, The great equalizer is death, We all start out the same way and we all end up the same way
Tough call for Paul & Gene to make, do the fair logical thing according to the values and ethics of our culture which any psychologist could predict would result in more feuding, bitterness, etc or just give Ace & Peter a near equal split just to keep the original 4 together in spite of Ace's descent back into addiction and Peter's never ending complaining and unpleasantness. I saw an interview during the reunion tour where clearly, Peter was irritated because more attention was being given to Paul & Gene and to his credit, Paul repeatedly tried to direct the interviewer towards Peter by physically nudging Peter to the front & by asking Peter answer whatever the interviewer was asking Paul. I have no doubt Paul really did try to keep the original 4 together but it's hard to deal with people who let their emotions and insecurities get in the way of being fair & more self-aware.
@@thedesertdweller I didnt see that interview, Like I said I wasn't around to see attitudes, But one thing is for sure, Ace and Peter should have made the same, And I am sure they made millions
@@stevew6910 Even though I understand P & G's perspective, I would've also paid them much more, maybe not equal but yes, 60/40 because KISS was on the way to small theater, club level prior to the reunion.
Listen people . Peter is the original cat man can’t argue this but he did screw it up with drugs and alcohol and SOLD his rights bottom line he F’ED that up .. but... you all need to know that ERIC CARR was and always will be the best kiss drummer ever and it’s not close. RIP
Peter was in the band and for whatever reason he decided he couldn't get along with these guys and he could do better on his own and he left. When he comes back he is a hired hand and gets a flat fee while Gene and Paul take on the financial risk of the tour. That sounds fair considering his poor performance and unprofessional antics on tour. Grow up Peter.
What ACE and PETER should have done..... was negotiate a better deal up front. We all know that. And then a percentage % upon completion of each tour that would have been a bonus if certain goals & metrics were achieved !
It bothers me that Peter and Ace take very little responsibility for the destruction and hyper drama their own partying caused in the band. They both stupidly quit Kiss because of it. Gene and Paul begged them not to do that. Apparently learning nothing Ace missed 4 planes trying to get to the first reunion show at Tiger Stadium in 96. He was also wasted when he arrived. "The problem is Gene and Paul's attitude".
Addiction is a bitch, Its very aggravating to watch someone when your clean, It sounds like Peter was at least semi clean but Ace wasn't, I say smoke weed and rock on, Want other drugs? Give it a year or two. Make puntang your drug like Gene did
Bang on. I've been in bands with addicts. It's a nightmare. You cannot move ahead and risk your reputation. This is not a slam on addicts, I understand it's a disease and if you can kick, you have my respect.
Hahaha if you say so! Creatures of the night Lick it up Animalize Revenge Those alone smoke allot of original material. Credit to all members but ace, Peter were both guys who messed up constantly. Lazy, tuning up late, sloppy performance etc
He IS weak, come on! You hear about how Peter has a swing feel and how great he was. Anton Fig blows him away! I remember being a kid listening to side 4 of Alive II thinking how did Peter get so much better on one album?!? It was so obvious. Listen to Torpedo Girl, holy shit ! Peter couldn’t do that on his best sober day! KISS fans are super loyal to this dude, I get it. I saw the first reunion tour it was tough to watch and listen to him play. Eric Carr was a breath of fresh air - imagine that dude as the original drummer. Those albums would sound SOOO much better. Anton made them sound better on every tune he recorded for them! I play drums and don’t claim to be an expert let’s make that clear. Peter won the lottery and should have respected that... He and Steven Adler are two peas in a pod... piss it all away!
My opinion Paul and Gene should get paid more Than Ace and Peter, I’m big Ace and Peter fans but Paul and Gene kept The Kiss machine going Through all Those years
Peter was never a street kid gimme a break the whole I’m tough and love guns is pure BS They had the power because you sold your power let’s be honest here . Eddie is the absolute worst interviewer he’s like Gene and Paul just wants to hear his own voice.
As much as I love Peter and Ace bottom line is KISS is bigger than both of them. Thre is far too much to put on the line to trust in them to be there and do everything that needs to be done. Playing correct tempo, being on time, drugs, booze, and all the other bullshit that Peter and Ace tend to fall into. I would have offered the same amount to them however, it needs to be fsir. People imcluding Eddie Trunk have always said its Gene and Paul and all they want is money but yet Ace and peter are always the ones bitchin about money never have you ever heard Gene and Paul ever complain about money.KISS 4 LIFE. KISS ARMY 4 LIFE. 🤘😎🤘
Paul Stanley is an awesome singer and rhythm player, that being said, he talks trash about all the band members in Kiss. There must of been so much tension between all the members. As far as I am concerned Peters drumming sounds good on all the albums he recorded with Kiss. Paul complained about his drumming. Maybe in 96 when they did the reunion tour he was not as good as in the 70s the same with Ace. I have the anthology DVD collection and both Ace and Peter mess up there playing quite a bit. Maybe they were drunk on stage?
Stephen Joens I agree. Paul has nothing good to say about anyone he has worked with which is a shame. If it were not for Ace and Peter Kiss would not of became the success they became.
Yes Paul Stanley sucks as a singer! Did you see the Rockn Roll Hall of Fame Ceremony well more people applauded for both Ace and Peter why? ITS SIMPLE GENE AND PAUL DONT GIVE A HOOT ABOUT THEIR FANS ONLY ABOUT $$$
Stephen Joens I agree. Paul just complains about everything. There was nothing bad about Peters drumming. In fact it was good. Peter created his character as the Cat Man. Now there is an imposter sitting in Peters seat and a different Ace lol
Love Peter. I have seen KISS in many forms. But at the end of the day. You left the band. You quit. So you get what you get. No hard feelings. But, I've got to say. Bitter or not. Million bucks for 8 shows........ You should have negotiated better. All these years are coming to an end and your net worth is like $ 3 MILL. Thats gotta hurt. I get it. life is short. Move on.
Yes, technically. He played great from the first record through Love Gun. After that, he seemed to lose his energy. I don’t know if that was drug or injury related, or both, but if you look at videos of Criss after 1977, he wasn’t the same.
Can't believe this guy he didn't have shit before the reunion he was in no position to make demands and Paul and Gene to their credit they put up with tons of shit
Not when your bandmates are making much more than that. If you or anyone else had been in his shoes, they would've done the same. And if not, then you are sucker for letting them screw you over.
Peter and Ace DID NOT RESPECT Rock, themselves, the group, or the fans. You were a founder but YOU stopped respecting it- therefore you LOST it. Grow up Pete Love ya
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Even if Peter stayed off drugs and played ball, he’d have eventually been replaced into the 80s since his drumming style would not have fit into what was happening in the changing musical landscape then. He cries and moans a lot about the other guys, but never admits his own failings in leaving Kiss. Regardless, he’d have been out of the band by ‘82. (Which he was). The real tragedy is Eric Carr, who is often overlooked. That said, Criss, Fig, Carr and Singer all brought great style and talent to the band.
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This should be called Eddie trunk talks and Peter Criss stops by
Any Trunk interview ever....
Clearly you dont know what an interviewer is supposed to do!!!!
The cat that goes whaaa !whaaa .!!
Appreciate your honesty Peter, standing up for yourself. Let it go, wishing you all the best in your life.
Read the book people. Peter is honest to a fault. He is harder on himself more than anyone and owns up to a lot of stuff. More than any other KISS member has done. All Paul does is bash Peter and Ace, makes himself look like a perfect person, Peter is honest about his short comings, the most honest one out there now.
KISS is my favorite band. I have seen every tour live. It's sad that the band members have been unhappy for forty years.
Since being a fan since ' 75 I'm glad I didn't know what was going on behind the scenes till I got out of kiss in 78 79
Original Kiss is the best kiss. Saw them 3 times on the reunion tour.
I agree. I got to see them in 1998 and it was great
@Rico Bonifacio yea I saw them in new jersey in 98
Just think if these four guys could have gotten along from the start in ‘1973? Unfrinkin believable!!!!!!!! The talent together complemented each other so much………………………….as a 12 yr old in 1976 when my neighbor had The Destroyer album, then heard KiSS Alive I WAS HOOKED…….they ruled the world.
Seen them in Evansville, Ind on the reunion tour. The originals are the best!
I was at that show too!
@@johnburke4852 Yeah i live in western Ky. They was sold out in Nashville and Memphis back then so i seen them at Roberts Stadium. Shit kicker show!
A lot of people forget that if it wasn’t for Peter and ace coming back in the band, then kiss would’ve also been broke. Kiss Wernt doing well at all during the revenge era. If Peter and ace didn’t come back then kiss would’ve died out.
That’s nonsense. Neither were “broke” at the time of the reunion tour.
Raylan Givens I’m talking about kiss in the revenge era
Yes, you are 100 💯 percent right!!! You can't have a reunion tour without Peter and Ace, and get that through your heads!!! That's the definition of a reunion, duh!!! Peter and Ace were amazing and the real talent in band in the original lineup days anyway, fact!!! Peter and Ace the best
Eddie , let Peter talk dude !!!!
its.scientifically for him to do that
Eddie is such a big mouth! His interviews are horrible, won’t let anybody talk! He’s an egotistical maniac that thinks knows everything about music and metal! Talks to much and can’t play any instrument!
@@Blueking-k7c yes !!! Correct brother
I agree, Peter was still my favorite and the best one of the group and he didn't only get less money and sold out, but this jerk off interviewing him is trying to talk and interview himself? Lol
Let Peter talk people, Paul and Gene always never appreciated the insane talent Peter Criss had in the band and now this bullshit interview is the same treatment!!! Love ya Pete, your the best!!!!
@@Blueking-k7c Why does Eddie have to play an instrument to be a good interviewer you goof? You dont have to play an instrument to know or like music you geek. Anyone who calls them self the godfather you know is a complete douche bag virgin tool boy!!!!
The “ayatollah Criscuola”
before the reunion tour ace and peter were broke. afterwards or during they became millionaires. what is there to complain about? yes gene and paul made more, but they were keeping the show going while those 2 just left. could've been happy about the money they were recieving to just play, but no.
Yep! But Peter insists that he - "a founding member" should just breeze in and it should be 1973 all over again. Nope, it doesn't work that way son.
@Stephen Joens Will, you sometimes respond to what I actually say? Otherwise, just stop responding.
@ Kiss was successful with or without Criss, Criss wasn't.
@Mooch 514 U were one of what 10 people that saw these tours hahahahaha
@Mooch 514 I'm sorry ur alternate reality is so pathetic u need to make up fake successful 80s Kiss to suit ur fragile mind...
Whoever said that Pete and Ace were paid for the rights to the makeup and their image was right, but mind you, Peter and Ace said lawyers and a ton of red tape run around still screwed the best two members and fan favorites of the original lineup? Fact!!!
KISS is Paul, Gene, Ace and Peter ... but like so many bands they break up or change lineups over time. We get it ... keep on rockin !
Yes, Robert - the other combinations without ACE and Peter are not KISS, but, the Stanley/Simmons Group.
Eddie, can you shut up and let the guy talk?
This is kind of like me and three other guys starting a business after years of running this business with three other guys I start doing drugs not doing my job not pulling my weight so they vote to fire me out of the company I come back 20 years later they pay me good money as an employee then after a while they tell me they don't want me back anymore because I haven't changed so i go off and tell people how much the other guys suck for not making me an equal partner in the company I helped build even though I quit on them and f***** up even while they continued without me and ran the company for 20 years without me. love you Pete you were a part of the greatest rock band ever but you f***** up and now sounds like you're playing the blame game instead of showing up and say I f***** up I just can't work with these guys and it's all on me. paul gene gave you a 3rd chance made you a multi-millionaire enjoy the rest of your life.
Very well said
No Paul and Gene didn't MAKE Peter a multi millionare. The original band coming together and putting the make up back on lead to the FANS making them multi millionares again. The two jews were not doing so well at the time and KNEW the reunion was going to make them massive amounts of money that would not have EVER been made had Ace and Peter not come back. So this shit that Paul and Gene were so gracious by "allowing" them to make a few million each compared to the $100 million + is nothing but horseshit. They always say how they did just fine without them. If thats the case then why didn't they stop wearing the make-up after the farewell tour and go back to the "Carnival of Souls" lineup? Could it be that nobody would have given a shit about them? If not for Ace and Peter and the whole reunion thing Gene and Paul would have NEVER made the hundreds of millions and they knew that. Your damn right I would be vocal about it too!! They deserved much more and were basically pimped out so Gene and Paul could cash in.
@@moeskeeter7691 they didn't deserve s*** they were quitters drug users and alcoholics who were given multiple chances to stay in the band it was Paul and Gene who made that reunions happen it was Paul and Gene who let Peter and Ace be involved sound like the classic 70s fan only taking up for the two losers of Kiss. kiss was doing just fine without a Ace Peter. and was still putting out platinum and gold albums it's been proven Paul and Gene don't need a Ace and Peter in the band to be successful it's Ace and Peter who need Paul and gene to make millions of dollars which is why Ace wants back in the band for the end of the road tour this notion that Ace and Peter deserved more is b******* and delusional because before Paul and gene did they reunions. Ace and Peter they were damn near broke playing bars with a hundred people before the reunions tour musically kiss was at the top of their game with Revenge Kiss Alive 3 they were still playing Arenas in averaging six to eight thousand people a show after all the chances they were giving they were damn lucky Paul and Gene gave them a second and third chance to be millionaires Paul and Gene continue 20 years without them why in the hell should they just be able to come right back in the band and get an equal share did you take the time and go see the farewell tour did you see how bad Peters drumming was Paul and Jean proved they don't need Peter in Ace they even put better musicians with their makeup on and continue to do very well which Ace and Peter sold the rights to the real truth is they don't want Peter back he's too old and can't play the drums anymore at least for not more than 30 minutes and most kiss fans think Ace could have been a part of the end of the road tour but he's come out said it would take a lot more money then what they're offering even though it would be three times what he's making as a solo artist they offered him the opening slot for the end of the road tour and he refused to do it who wants to bring a guy back who constantly threatens to quit when something doesn't go his way shows up late and may get back on drugs and alcohol at any time Ace is best when he's the boss but when somebody else give him orders he can't handle it and that's when he turns to excuses drugs and alcohol
Billy Cain But from that logic gene Simmons gave up on the band in the 80s and left it all to Paul. Why not kick him out to then? Paul even said the betrayal was just as bad from gene as ace and Peter. The only one that kept the ship going is Paul Stanley.
@@lordeuronymous because Gene can't be replaced he's the biggest name in face and rock and roll
Peter got himself fired by putting more effort into partying & drugs than his craft. The band was in it's hay day & he messes it up. They were ruling the world & the fans loved them. Ace, who inspired me to pick up the guitar, screwed himself up! Both were an equal partner when they were at their best. They left the band, the other 2 carried on & kept it going. Can't blame them for others failures or bad decisions.
are you fucking serious?
I would agree but add that I believe Ace when he says that if he hadn't left he would have killed himself. Remember, Ace joined a slick, black leather heavy rock band and was suddenly playing "Shandi" and "Dark Light". I personally love both Unmasked and The Elder but that was a far cry from Dressed to Kill. Even Paul admits that from about 1978 to 1982 they were all a little full of themselves. At least Ace had a decent solo career. I also believe that Paul and Gene thought they would have to "help" Ace with his Solo album - that without help was the best selling, hardest rock album of the four. Paul's sounded like a Kiss album (minus the ballads), Gene's was a train wreck, and Peter's was just the wrong feel for Kiss. Peter proved over and over in his career that he just musically didn't get the Kiss fan. Listen to the demo for "Dirty Livin"" or "Beck" (Beth), then listen to what was released by Kiss. Peter just didn't get it. It's no real surprise that he just didn't sell records. But still has this arrogance to say that he feels like he's "owed something".
Failures??? How about Unmasked? The Elder? Drug problems or not, Paul and Gene were exerting more control and they both jumped ship before they looked like buffoons being in that band. First, their audience turned into 8-year olds, then by '79 they were actually getting booed on the Dynasty "Disco" tour. Peter complained about their new musical direction the most because he had no say otherwise. He was just the drummer who might get to sing now and then. Ace was already paving his own solo path so he didn't care, it was just a gig. No wonder they both got high all the time, to escape the embarrassment of being in a band that got kids beat up at school for wearkng a KISS t-shirt. It was really that cheese ball Phantom Of The Park movie when the band started cracking, then the solo albums made it worse because it created a competition between them. Paul and Gene like to say that they weren't team players, but they were if they obeyed them. They always saw themselves as the band leaders because they knew each other first and found those guys later through ads and auditions, but KISS was more of an equal group effort in the beginning. Nobody was really in charge except for Bill Aucoin.
Stiff Richard you’re full of shit. Kiss never got booed on the Dynasty tour. Stop lying you fuckwad
@@HanzonMacaque Woah, take it easy. Calling me a fuckwad can get your ass kicked. Sorry to pop your bubble dude, I was there, 1979, Nassau Coliseum, Judas Priest opened, I was 9, my first concert, loved KISS, loved the Dynasty album, but the crowd was mostly Long Island rock and metal burnouts wearing denim jackets and smoking doobies. The front half of the audience was booing and heckling after they played "I Was Made For Loving You", then Paul said something like "Aw, c'mawn! We're just tryin' to have a rock and roll pah-tay! Wooh hoo!"
He is the best damn drummer to live and always the one that others became a drummer than 2 best songs too just rock on Peter no one can replace you
Even tho Peter was making the least, it was still ALOT of money... Peter & Ace tend to forget that they weren't in the band for 15 years and during that time KISS were still a platinum selling band with a string of hits. 🤷♂️
They were not a platinum selling band and couldn't fill big arenas. The 96' tour brought them right back to where they were in 77' and it's because of Ace and Peter. Drugs and all.
@@chucklewis9938 Lick It Up, Animalize, and Crazy Nights all went platinum. Every tour from Animalize to Revenge sold well. The '96 Reunion put them higher than they ever were. Easily eclipsing their late 70's heyday...
Ralph Mercuro bigger than the 70's?! Money yes, fame no... You must be too young to understand what KISS was in the 70's.
@@Duski67 I'm not... I was their target audience. I play guitar and am a professional musician because of Kiss.
@@chucklewis9938 your wrong you knucklehead. All of their albums from lick it up thru smashes thrashes and hits all went platinum. That's five straight albums with big singles and music videos and great tours that had plenty of sellouts and great audiences. Hot in the shade was a HIGHLY successful tour. Revenge and alive III tour was as well.
This should be called "2 whiners at a wine convention"
What a jerk. He walked out snd whines that he’s treated as an employee? He’s lucky gene and Paul saw the dollars and called this dope up
Heck yeah
@Mooch 514 you are so right they sold the rights to the characters when they left the band
I love how you pieces of shit are now turning on Peter after defending him against Gene & Paul all these years. Here's a newsflash on what separates him from the other members today. He's not involved in any drama regarding KISS or their final tour and doesn't even respond when Gene & Paul diss him in interviews. But hey, assholes like you probably know more
@Mooch 514 Hey shit for brains, how about the fact Gene & Paul screwed him over all these years. How about you actually shut your mouth and learn what he had to go thorough before being an idiotic piece of shit.
Paul and Gene called this so called dope whoever said that ridiculous bullshit!!! Get it threw your heads Kiss fans, Peter and Ace were the real talent and fan favorites!!! The two greedy selfish knuckleheads had to suck it up if they wanted that money grab to bring the original lineup back!!! Peter is always been honest at least, he is telling his side of the story!!! God bless you Pete!!! 🖒
Ohhhhh Pete. Can you not just put your differences aside like Ace has done? Now you’re throwing Ace under the damn bus too?! Jesus!! If things were so bad on the reunion tour in the beginning why did you stay? Money?...Yup!!! He just doesn’t know when to quit. Peter is saying all this but yet, decides to meet up with Gene on his vault tour. Come on! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
Him: "I don't blame the druggie, I blame the sober ones"
What a goof.
agreed.
Peter complains about everything. He got fired from Kiss in 1980 and then expects to be treated like a king in 1996?!?
THANK YOU!! WELL SAID!! I use to like Paul and Gene , but CLEARLY you can tell they're BOTH GREEDY ASS WIPES!
Ace is the only cool one out of the band - Peter is a baby. Gene and Paul may be greedy ass wipes but they didn’t ruin their careers like Peter. That probably drives him bloody mad.
Stephen Joens I am not an autograph hound and don’t care to meet those who are famous, we all know it’s disappointing especially when they make you pay to say hello. Screw that.
@Stephen Joens Oops, sorry, wrong reply. I'll fix it. All these Peter bashing youtube critics secretly want to blow Paul's rocket while getting butt-fucked by Gene.
I feel no pitty for Peter.. as I remember he left the band or rumors have it he was let go ..he was lucky enough to be involved in the reunion era but theres no way he would of lasted anyway..he just cant play many shows with his health..Even Paul said Peter near the end basically drummed simple and soft with the drums turned up all the way in the P A system..I'm not a fan of the makeup today but Singer is an incredible drummer as the band continues until the final show coming next year I'm guessing
@Stephen Joensyou mean an awful Peter Criss? Because hes 1 hell of a drummer and singer
@Stephen Joens wearing the Peter Criss make up! Go back to listening to your Donnie and Marie records
@Stephen Joens hahaha you're the biggest loser commenting stupid bullshit on everyones comments..Wow thinking about it YOU could be Peter Criss being a sensitive pussy! Being so defensive on all the comments which most are probably true..by the way Anton Fig is also miles better than Criss ...learn your shit before u comment rediculous stupid shit
@Stephen Joens hahahaha dood I like Peter Criss,always have,original Kiss is the best ..
Robbie Starz he said I sounded like Paul as well... I am certain it’s drunk Peter under a fake name going apeshit because we are right and he’s wrong! Peter was my first drumming hero. but who can respect a guy that pisses away a pretty easy job?? So easy that Singer looks bored AF playing the parts! Singer and Fig are on a different level than Peter even in his prime. I don’t like to bash the guy but my God go away and accept the fact that you cannot play anyway! 1996 was painful to watch and I felt bad for him. I wish Anton would put the cat makeup on and make Drunk Peter Joens really angry. If Peter comes from a jazz background maybe put together a kick ass big band and go nuts.... 🍻
Peter always sounds like he is on is on the verge of tears whenever he talks
It's hard to fathom why Ace & Peter sold their ownership rights & characters. They owned a 1/4 of one of the most successful rock bands of the 70's which also had a loyal but rabid fan base. It's easy to say this but I'm sincere when I say that I would never have made such a bad decision. Maybe Paul & Gene should've been a little softer & offered then a path towards being vested again but on the other hand, staying in the game, dealing with endless parades of lawsuits, professional decline, heartbreak & various betrayals no doubt turned P & G into hardened businessmen but I've never seen or read anything about P & G that indicated they were unethical operators, etc. If anything they stand out as ethical & relatively moral people with the caveat that no one is perfect... all of Genes consensual womanizing, etc... But he publicly condemned his past behavior and by all accounts is a good husband and father, etc.
It's hard to get around the reality that Peter & Ace just blew it multiple times & part of the process is accepting it, learning the lessons and letting go of the bitterness. It is what it is.
Maybe money problems paired with drug addiction, ego and a desire to not be part of it anymore. Kiss was on the low and they didn't have the hindsight that the band would endure all those years later.
Peter answer that question himself. To him, rock and roll is one long party. It's not about being in the office. Not about business. And if you want to just party, then you lose. And as another commenter here said, they thought they were getting out when the getting was good. They thought Kiss was over. They both were greedy and made a terrible decision and they whined about it later.
Ace told Gene and Paul, " I want more money than Peter, he hasn't done anything ". Also, do 200 shows at $40,000 - $50,000 a show . 2 very successful tours, no expenses coming out of you check other than your taxes and paying another manager that you didn't need. You could come away with millions and not have to deal with all the overhead. Peter worked his ass off and to his credit, it showed during those tours.
Same old Peter pity party. Yawn!
@BIG HORN MGTOW
Don't blame money. People are to blame.
@Mooch 514 "Gene and paul made kiss in 72" ...Give me a break. Gene & Paul were making that shitty Wicked Lester music back then. It wasn't KISS until the original 4 played together for the first time and the magic was born. Stop trying to rewrite Kisstory.
@Mooch 514 You call that "hard work"? Haha...sign me up then. I think Paul would disagree with you about Gene having been focused on KISS during the 80's. As for Paul being focused on KISS, all those years he was more focused on what trend was popular so he could imitate it and make money off of it. Gene & Paul milked the KISS name for all it was worth, even at the expense of their own legacy...they couldn't care less about it, or about the fans who do. Yeah, I'm sure Peter & Ace could be difficult to work with, but Gene & Paul have some serious issues too. Read about how they treated Mark St. John & Eric Carr.
@Mooch 514
Not once has he ever bashed Gene or Paul for being sober. Show me the link or interview that you claim he says that.
Kiss fan here, but Paulina in The Warning hits the drums harder than Petey ever did.
@Stephen Joens I used to be one of those guys that thought the only KISS was the original KISS. Was so pumped for the Reunion tour, went to half a dozen shows or so. Was in a band at the time and my band mates went with me to one of the shows. Before the show my drummer was talking about how bad Peter was, I was ready to fight. During the show he pointed out the drum triggers to me, Pete was hardly touching the skins. I was devastated. Seriously, if you've never heard The Warning check them out. Three sisters from Mexico.
These are the FACTS: Once both Ace and Peter sold off their rights in 'KISS Inc' they were never in a position to get back in as Gene being Gene, Paul being Paul, well they would not even consider a 'buy back in'. Hence, contracts were drawn up and the contracts were simple, and I'm a lawyer and contact law is difficult even if a contract is black and white other factors can legally effect the contract.
But this is what was legally put in writing.
Ace would receive a set fee per show, 50 grand.
Peter would receive 40 grand per show.
BOTH were denied the 'real' revenue that has really come from KISS Inc, that being the revenues from merch.
Think about this, Gene charges 20k to put his boots on, meet n greets make a stunning revenue stream for KISS. And it is the same with merch.
Simple stuff, Peter/Ace signed on with their lawyers.
Ace did not tell Peter he was earning 10k more until very late. Peter feels betrayed? Seriously? It was up to Peter at the contractual starting point negotiations to clarify what Ace was getting. From memory the 1996 to 2002 tour did around x200 shows? That means Ace earned serious coin but again he fell off the wagon, Peter also did not maximiser what he earned and we all know he left earlier than Ace. These blokes were treated the same as Singer and the clown Thayer, they were contractually speaking "hired guns". period. But both 'could' have ended up multi millionaires with more than a very comfortable life in retirement even if they do not, will not ever have Gene/Paul's 'fuck you' money.
Peter 'is' KISS as is Ace. KISS expired in 2002.
They have been a Thayer kabuki show ever since and that people pay to see a fraud shooting rockets out of his 'Tommy Thayer Gibson limited edition' guitar is comical. Peter should thank his lucky stars he got a second chance. I think Stanley, who to me is an egomaniac and NEVER admits he has faults was one of the best songwriting frontmen ever, Gene still can hold it Paul has been gone for a decade. But Ace is the one who pulled people through the gates, Ace with ALL his faults and he admits to ALL of them in his book, Ace is the member who'll always be loved the most. in my opinion. They will only ever be ONE SpaceAce.
Yes, but at least Tommy Thayer has the work ethic, and is also a multi-millionaire. The same with Eric Singer. Criss and Frehley just couldn’t cut it afterward.they listened to the wrong people.
Jesus Christ I skipped to 5 different parts on this interview and it’s nothing but Trunk talking!
Listen to Eddie take up for his friend (Ace)....”That must really have been weighing on him”. If it was Paul or Gene, Eddie would have been all OVER them
lol, well, there is work ethic involved here. Do the work, show up on time, and do your job!
How much was he making per show vs ace
He’s gonna join The Rolling Stones, right?
a lot of Kiss fans are more interested in the personal drama between the members than the music they make. I really don't get that
I hate the drama.
Not really we Love the Music, but its a Big band & 2 members wanted to Party, 2 wanted to keep the Band going. peter does whine a lot & did Nothing from 1980 - 85 ( had a Band Balls of Fire ) then nothing from 87 - 95 and since he has been out since 2003 he has Released ONE solo album titled one for all. he is LAZY
@@MetalHeart8787 I don't get caught up in any of that.
yeah we do lol. its because its peak level comedy
@@sun_buddy I guess it is if you're easily amused and interested in other people's personal affairs.
Paul and Gene wouldn't even play live at the induction ceremony for the hall of fame!!! Disgusting, Peter and Ace were able to let by gones be gones and that arrogant Stanley told Gene, we are going to do the hall of fame induction, but we will never play on stage with Peter and Ace again? Disgusting bastards, I love it that Peter and Ace got the biggest ovations as well!!!
Last thing he and Ace ever did was let bygones be gone. They both hold grudges and whine but when Gene and Paul cut him his check when he left in 80 he thought he’d won
Dont blame the drug users and boozers. Blame the the 2 guys who work 100% every night and who are dedicated to the band .
Still towing the company line and drinking the Paul and Gene koolaid, KISSTARD!
No one ever talks about this but Ace and Peter both were paid for their stake as founding members of KISS when they left in the early eighties. They were also paid for the rights to the make up and the characters of Spaceman and Cayman. That is why they could not sue over others using the characters!
Hey Peter , isn't most of this YOUR fault
so was this about peters book/ reunion tour, or was this about Eddie?!
Peter was an Integral part of the Original band. '' Only one Ctman ''
Originally but hey he couldn't play music for shit
@@jeffhill183 agreed,
love u Pete
Gene's whole life is about money, once upon a Time in the early '70s they were just punk kids and bums on the street to, Paul and Gene forgot what reality is.. From what I heard, Paul and Gene treated Eric Carr like crap too.
I know what you went thru Peter and I agree wholeheartedly and support you. You made music with your drums, Eric just pounds on them. You are and always will the The Cat Man, the one who matters. Bless you Peter, you and Gigi, keep the faith. Your book was ok except for all the cussing but I realize that was the past. Take care and hope you get to appear on the last concert of the End Of The Road Tour as you were contacted about.
W'ah, W'ah, fricken W'ah,
Someone call the W'ambulance,
on this "dramaqueen" Peter Criss for christ sake being in KISS is a job and now that your sober (allegedly) it all of sudden sucks rite?!? The last time i checked when any of us report to work there are rules and regulations one has to abide by and one is leave your girlfriend/ wife at home not to work.
@Stephen Joens its Mr. Idiot to you.
Is this a new interview ??
Does Trunk talk too much or what? Who the hell wants to listen to him?
Addicted to drugs, addicted to alcohol, being late, being lazy, terrible sloppy playing. Yeahhh it's always others fault
@Stephen Joens Hahahahahahaha that's funny
Stephen Joens That’s probably the most idiotic statement. You must be a Trump supporter.
Why do you bring up politics?
Really, I always read and heard was that Bruce fit Kiss because he was sober during g the 80s.....is this a false narrative?
@@scottlosey4978 What do you mean
Peter should thank his lucky stars that the reunion tour happened. His drumming was so bad on the tour, it was like he won the lottery. Paul and Gene are control freaks, but they did keep it going all these years. If it was up to Ace and Peter, Kiss would have been a blast from the past with no real value years ago.
stephen geraci exactly! If you read Paul’s book and the chapters about the reunion tour, he says it was so bad that Tommy Thayer had to really-teach him his parts! Peter had always been a very average drummer. Just back in the day, he had the swagger and the attitude! He also had the means to become a great drummer, but unfortunately after Kiss, that’s what he lived off of. I’m Peter Criss, the Catman, but I never practiced to hone my skills or get any better! Something else that was eye opening in Paul’s book is that, for the most part, he controls every aspect of KISS. Even Eddie Trunk has said this in other interviews.
Its true. He talks about being treated like an employee. Err, you were an employee.
Ha, how stupid!!! Peter's drumming was fantastic on the reunion tour!!! Lol
Unbelievable, apparently everyone is a drum critic!!!! Get a clue, he is one of best drummers ever on the planet!!!!!!! Go Pete
I dont see how Peter thinks he paid more dues than Gene and Paul, where the fuck you get that idea, Peter??
Peter sold his rights. This part seems to be overlooked.
That’s been my argument for years.
Yes he did, Paul caught him when he wasn't thinking straight when he was high. Peter said he never would have done that if he was thinking straight.
@@crollinsphoto, Of course, he said that. If he could prove that he was not of sound mind when he signed away his rights he would have a case. This hasn't happened.
Peter fucked up the first time, with the dope and then deliberately fucking the time onstage. The second time, he couldn't do anything but tap the drums, and they had to pull so many tricks to make Peter sound good.
Poor Peter... got fired cause he couldn't play anymore ... and proved he couldn't play much better when he came back. Carr and Singer were way better drummers and far more professional. Playing shows stoned and not giving 100% for the people that paid to see you is not paying your dues
He even admits right off the bat, yeah ace was late to an early rehearsal for the tour. I mean dude! Why would Paul and Gene take you guys seriously if you didn’t take the band seriously? Once again it’s your own fault! Why fans can’t comprehend this? Instead fans blame it on Paul and Gene. Not the alcoholic drug addicts who were riding the coattails of the true band leaders
Peter Criss and Ace should’ve started their own band
Yup. Then they could have failed together, instead of separately.
Vinnie Vincent rules
Rules at what? Guitar? Have you heard him lately?
Peter. “When the shows got bigger and crazier things got out of control”. They had been like that. You and Ace just were not part of it. When Peter left KISS it was rapidly declining. Eric Carr came on board and helped right the ship. Wonder what Erics estate is getting. Im sure there some royalities,, But is KISS throwing anything that way? Honestly im curious because KISS is not GM or Ford. They dont have pension plans and benefits. You get paid when yer rollin and you are working and ambulance when its over if you didnt save and make some wise investments.
The "betrayal" by Ace never made sense. He negotiated better terms and he is much more of a "name". Peter's book is just him being a victim over and over. He was my hero as a kid and still one of my favorite drummers. That being said, I never want to meet him.
DITTO Count Von D,
Whilst I thought his autobiography was exaggerated, I wanted to believe Peter.
Unfortunately, his ex-wife Lydia Criss in 2017 said 70% was complete BS.
Peter Criss according to Lydia C is a terminal whinger, has an unbelievable, tragi-comic right self entitlement and acomplete liar.
Criss was so drug addled from 1977 - 86 that he couldn't remember any stories correctly.
1979 - he only contributed one song on DYNASTY.
The song Dirty Livin,' clearly left over from his then poorly selling Solo album.
Heroin - while Criss's producer of choice
Vini Poncia and the other band members worked on DYNASTY he was snorting heroin in France.
C riss then takes part in the mediocre to poor ticket selling Dynasty tour and deliberately sabotages KISS live performances.
Count Von D the reunion tour wold have been as successful with Eric Singer in makeup and Frehley. Criss was very, very fortunate he was included.
I love peter and ace but those guy's where always up too know good. And I followed kiss sence 76.
Saw a different game that is....hehe
Peter was not really the right drummer for KISS, he was a different generation. They really needed a power drummer, not a jazz/swing drummer. Peter did the drugs and ruined his own career, he can't put that on anyone else. However, I do think that the first reunion tour in 1996 should have been cut four equal ways after all the bills were paid. After that, they should have gone their separate ways, they knew, all of them they were going to get greedy, be treated unfairly, old grudges come up.
rowdync I think Stephen Joens is either drunk Peter himself or Peter’s wife sticking up for him... 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Stephen Joens 😃i think i figured it out - so mr. criss it is reported that you are worth 5 million dollars. You can’t survive with 5 million dollars? Ever think about drinking cheaper alcohol? Cutting out coupons? There are ways... Mrs. Criss expectations a little too high?? Peter was cool until we figured out his drum parts by the age of 10. 😆😷
I can't take sides. If you listen to interviews from all 4 original members, they have plenty of shit piled up against one another, some legit, some not. I love the band, all 4 in fact, but I can't take sides.
No people need to realize Paul and gene kept it really 15 years after ace and Peter walked out on kiss and the fans gene and Paul gave them back a bank account why blame Paul and gene they where making money on their own with out ace and Peter those guys needed paul and gene but again ace and Peter walked out on kiss and the fans paul and gene are loyal to kiss the fans and themselves
Ok, for starters I saw Kiss in the 80's and it was a far cry from what they were in the 70's and what they would become with the return of Ace and Peter. Kept it limping along for 15 years is a better description. I saw those concerts with maybe 5,000 fans not the 20,000 + of the 70's and the reunion. and one could argue that if they had let it die off with leaving of the original members it would have generated an even a bigger response from the fans. No, they owe Ace and Peter a great deal and keep in mind with their current lineup of Pretend Peter and Fake Ace they still do a show with most of the songs from the Ace and Peter era.
Pete and Ace all the way.....Eric and vinnie were bad ass///// the fake kiss suck.
Eddie let the guest talk geeez you talk way too much
I'm no fan of gene or Paul, but come on. Peter and ace signed up to the deals. Shut up and get on with it. But no crying and moaning, drinking, poor playing, turning up late etc.
Pathetic.
Really? Ace was so bad their manager had to cancel and reschedule the European Tour 3 times because Ace could not make up his mind to go or not, finally he said no and they replaced him. Ace is no angel.
Fair to me would have been to look long term, But I wasnt there and watching first hand the attitudes,. But if I was Gene and Paul I would have after all bills was paid split the profit 60/40,,,
Ace and Peter would have got 20% each,, That would have been more than fair if you ask me, Paul and Gene kept the ball rolling and I can see how they both felt, If Gene and Paul didnt keep the band going those two wouldn't have received millions in merch over the years. But at the same time, Those 4 started one of the longest lasting ,highest earning band, When the band started they all was equally needed, And on the reunion tour they found themselves at that point once again. If the original band was together for the end of the road every venue would be sold out, You dont need to be friends, You just need to work together, Everyone has had to work with someone they cannot stand too, Thats life, Money went to these guys heads, How much money does one need to be happy?
You cannot take it with you, The great equalizer is death, We all start out the same way and we all end up the same way
Tough call for Paul & Gene to make, do the fair logical thing according to the values and ethics of our culture which any psychologist could predict would result in more feuding, bitterness, etc or just give Ace & Peter a near equal split just to keep the original 4 together in spite of Ace's descent back into addiction and Peter's never ending complaining and unpleasantness.
I saw an interview during the reunion tour where clearly, Peter was irritated because more attention was being given to Paul & Gene and to his credit, Paul repeatedly tried to direct the interviewer towards Peter by physically nudging Peter to the front & by asking Peter answer whatever the interviewer was asking Paul. I have no doubt Paul really did try to keep the original 4 together but it's hard to deal with people who let their emotions and insecurities get in the way of being fair & more self-aware.
@@thedesertdweller I didnt see that interview, Like I said I wasn't around to see attitudes, But one thing is for sure, Ace and Peter should have made the same, And I am sure they made millions
@@stevew6910 Even though I understand P & G's perspective, I would've also paid them much more, maybe not equal but yes, 60/40 because KISS was on the way to small theater, club level prior to the reunion.
Anybody know what Eric Carr was worth at his death ? Or what his estate is worth now ?
Google it yet?
In 1976 to 1977 Peter was fully incharge of kiss and Peter new it so did Paul and gene 👍
What? Lol
So dont show up for your job all fucked up. People in the real world get fired for that. Awww poor Peter Criss.
Peter was an employee, he was kicked out and sold his rights years later.
Oh look! An interview with Peter Criss!!! Who's doing the interview? Eddie Tr......CLICK!
Listen people . Peter is the original cat man can’t argue this but he did screw it up with drugs and alcohol and SOLD his rights bottom line he F’ED that up .. but... you all need to know that ERIC CARR was and always will be the best kiss drummer ever and it’s not close. RIP
Peter was in the band and for whatever reason he decided he couldn't get along with these guys and he could do better on his own and he left. When he comes back he is a hired hand and gets a flat fee while Gene and Paul take on the financial risk of the tour. That sounds fair considering his poor performance and unprofessional antics on tour. Grow up Peter.
Peter was amazing until he stopped caring.
Yeah in like 75 or 76 😝
Why should he care, Paul and Gene quit caring about the workers long ago.
Charles Rollins yeah Gene and Paul have made the band go almost 50 years but they don't care...............?
What ACE and PETER should have done..... was negotiate a better deal up front. We all know that. And then a percentage % upon completion of each tour that would have been a bonus if certain goals & metrics were achieved !
It bothers me that Peter and Ace take very little responsibility for the destruction and hyper drama their own partying caused in the band. They both stupidly quit Kiss because of it. Gene and Paul begged them not to do that. Apparently learning nothing Ace missed 4 planes trying to get to the first reunion show at Tiger Stadium in 96. He was also wasted when he arrived. "The problem is Gene and Paul's attitude".
Addiction is a bitch, Its very aggravating to watch someone when your clean, It sounds like Peter was at least semi clean but Ace wasn't, I say smoke weed and rock on, Want other drugs? Give it a year or two. Make puntang your drug like Gene did
Bang on. I've been in bands with addicts. It's a nightmare. You cannot move ahead and risk your reputation. This is not a slam on addicts, I understand it's a disease and if you can kick, you have my respect.
totally spot on.
Ace and Peter are the real talent in kiss after they left all the music sucked !
What a stupid uninformed comment. If they were so damn great why are they so fuckin gone?
How did Peter’s solo career do? He left Kiss and a year later couldn’t be found.
@@MrOccyc Peter says if he made a mistake he'd get fired.Gee in what job would you be kept.This guy is a moron.
Hahaha if you say so!
Creatures of the night
Lick it up
Animalize
Revenge
Those alone smoke allot of original material. Credit to all members but ace, Peter were both guys who messed up constantly. Lazy, tuning up late, sloppy performance etc
@@sbi168 ---for the exception of Creatures the rest was Hair glam rock .
Anton Fig recorded in Peter’s place because Peter didn’t have the chops. As a drummer, he’s weak.
Stephen Joens Yeah...the “sweet sound” of a mediocre drummer.
Stephen Joens Anyone with ears can hear his mediocrity. Now get back in your mom’s basement and “beat your drum”.
Stephen Joens And the Oscar goes to..........Stephen Joens, for the most child-like, inane retort of 2020! (applause)
why then do you watch videos about a musician you don't like?
He IS weak, come on! You hear about how Peter has a swing feel and how great he was. Anton Fig blows him away! I remember being a kid listening to side 4 of Alive II thinking how did Peter get so much better on one album?!? It was so obvious. Listen to Torpedo Girl, holy shit ! Peter couldn’t do that on his best sober day! KISS fans are super loyal to this dude, I get it. I saw the first reunion tour it was tough to watch and listen to him play. Eric Carr was a breath of fresh air - imagine that dude as the original drummer. Those albums would sound SOOO much better. Anton made them sound better on every tune he recorded for them! I play drums and don’t claim to be an expert let’s make that clear. Peter won the lottery and should have respected that... He and Steven Adler are two peas in a pod... piss it all away!
My opinion Paul and Gene should get paid more Than Ace and Peter, I’m big Ace and Peter fans but Paul and Gene kept The Kiss machine going Through all Those years
Peter looks like Roy Orbison now...
Peter was never a street kid gimme a break the whole I’m tough and love guns is pure BS
They had the power because you sold your power let’s be honest here . Eddie is the absolute worst interviewer he’s like Gene and Paul just wants to hear his own voice.
As much as I love Peter and Ace bottom line is KISS is bigger than both of them. Thre is far too much to put on the line to trust in them to be there and do everything that needs to be done. Playing correct tempo, being on time, drugs, booze, and all the other bullshit that Peter and Ace tend to fall into. I would have offered the same amount to them however, it needs to be fsir. People imcluding Eddie Trunk have always said its Gene and Paul and all they want is money but yet Ace and peter are always the ones bitchin about money never have you ever heard Gene and Paul ever complain about money.KISS 4 LIFE. KISS ARMY 4 LIFE.
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I think this band are all a bunch of emotionally unstable egomaniacs, except Gene whos just an ego maniac.
Paul Stanley is an awesome singer and rhythm player, that being said, he talks trash about all the band members in Kiss. There must of been so much tension between all the members. As far as I am concerned Peters drumming sounds good on all the albums he recorded with Kiss. Paul complained about his drumming. Maybe in 96 when they did the reunion tour he was not as good as in the 70s the same with Ace. I have the anthology DVD collection and both Ace and Peter mess up there playing quite a bit. Maybe they were drunk on stage?
Stephen Joens I agree. Paul has nothing good to say about anyone he has worked with which is a shame. If it were not for Ace and Peter Kiss would not of became the success they became.
Yes Paul Stanley sucks as a singer! Did you see the Rockn Roll Hall of Fame Ceremony well more people applauded for both Ace and Peter why? ITS SIMPLE GENE AND PAUL DONT GIVE A HOOT ABOUT THEIR FANS ONLY ABOUT $$$
Stephen Joens I agree. Paul just complains about everything. There was nothing bad about Peters drumming. In fact it was good. Peter created his character as the Cat Man. Now there is an imposter sitting in Peters seat and a different Ace lol
I don’t even like Eddie trunk but I really don’t see how he’s talking too much. He was so annoying on tms
Love Peter. I have seen KISS in many forms. But at the end of the day. You left the band. You quit. So you get what you get. No hard feelings. But, I've got to say. Bitter or not. Million bucks for 8 shows........ You should have negotiated better. All these years are coming to an end and your net worth is like $ 3 MILL. Thats gotta hurt. I get it. life is short. Move on.
Talking thru his nose
He is such a whiner.
Say what you want about all this but the truth is Peter is by far the least talented drummer ever to play with KISS
Yes, technically. He played great from the first record through Love Gun. After that, he seemed to lose his energy. I don’t know if that was drug or injury related, or both, but if you look at videos of Criss after 1977, he wasn’t the same.
Once you get kicked out (by your own faults) you lose your Ownership rights Petey. Quit cryin, you sold your make up rights and thats that.
YES PAUL IS A PENDEJO. I use to love all of the members, but both Paul and Gene developed a HUGE EGO!
Can't believe this guy he didn't have shit before the reunion he was in no position to make demands and Paul and Gene to their credit they put up with tons of shit
1 million $$ for 8 shows for a basic and mediocre drummer ? You should of been happy to accept that Peter.
Not when your bandmates are making much more than that. If you or anyone else had been in his shoes, they would've done the same. And if not, then you are sucker for letting them screw you over.
When he says that he doesn’t blame Ace because “it was the drugs”.
Don’t agree. Drugs strip away inhibitions and reveal the true self.
Peter and Ace DID NOT RESPECT Rock, themselves, the group, or the fans. You were a founder but YOU stopped respecting it- therefore you LOST it. Grow up Pete Love ya
Jesus Christ Trunk, let him talk.
I, I ,I, I, I, I , I, I , I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I ,I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I , I, I , I, brought Ace Frehley out of his death bed, I got him signed + if it wasnt 4 me Ed Trunk Ace wouldnt have a career. And remember everyone of you out there go support your local music venues and bands while I pretend to & actually I sneak in 4 free!! But the rest of you get out and $upport rocknroll!!
Peter ego is bigger that Paul ego ? ...
No Paul and Gene have the biggest egos! They're both JEALOUS because the ONLY #1 hit that Kiss ever had was sung by THE CATMAN PETER CRISS!
Even if Peter stayed off drugs and played ball, he’d have eventually been replaced into the 80s since his drumming style would not have fit into what was happening in the changing musical landscape then. He cries and moans a lot about the other guys, but never admits his own failings in leaving Kiss. Regardless, he’d have been out of the band by ‘82. (Which he was). The real tragedy is Eric Carr, who is often overlooked. That said, Criss, Fig, Carr and Singer all brought great style and talent to the band.