She lied about her age. Then lied again about Sexual Assault. And now this young man, who did nothing wrong, goes through hell, his career and public image are damaged. This society is a joke.
Fr like why not talk about all shit she lied about and now everyone is like support the victim well yeah support the victim but after u hear both sides and for me i believe george
This is the most professional response I’ve ever seen. Clearly displayed information and didn’t blame anyone. What a way to handle this situation you’ve got my admiration
YESS. i appreciate how he didn’t try to enhance his statement with words that can make the audience like interpret a more exaggerated or deeper meaning. I love how he considered her perspective multiple times and was very very careful with his choice of words since SA is a very sensitive topic. Even apologizing for making her feel uncomfortable. While Caiti is very like idk, she just throws accusations and isn’t very careful about what she says.
@@rooby3995 you must be dumb if you still believe caitibug LMFAO go look online, she deleted all of her streams of george and privated her account. Shes obviously in the wrong for continuously lying and making out george to seem worse than what actually happened. unlike caiti, george showed proof and there are multiple videos online about the matter (which MAJORITY shows facts, statements and proof george is innocent.)
You need to sue this girl and set an example for people who think they can profit off of false allegations. She's actively changing her story and repeating proven lies on you for the sole purpose of defaming you. This isn't someone you should be backing into a corner for.
As someone who’s gone thru SA, this is ridiculous. Caiti was never physically forced to do anything with. From her perspective, she actively engaged in it because she felt special and didn’t want to miss out being “intimate” with a big creator. However, sexual acts you regret is not SA. I don’t think she should have accused him of sexual assault so lightly, as there are actual victims out there. The argument that “she could still be traumatised” by a lot of her supporters is valid, however she shouldn’t have blamed George for her feelings. In the moment she wanted it, even if she only wanted it as he was a big creator. She is a grown woman that went to a drinking party illegally, so obviously you would assume everyone there is 21 and over.
SA doesnt require you to be physically forced to do something. if they did something sexual and he initiated it that would be SA since she was drunk and so couldnt consent the only real room for arguments on what happened is where she was specifically touched since both have been vague about it IMO george implies he touched her breasts since he talks about moving his hand further up and focuses so much on that while separating it from stuff like touching her waist and the tickling/squeezing
@@5267wit's not the only argument cause (by her own words) she claims "it's not just regret, i felt uncomfortable in the moment" but did not speak up nor move from George... most of the witnesses there (George included) states that she got up several times but went back to cuddling with him knowing that touching and flirting was happening. Cause of this, her entire allegation is now up for question
How funny that the British group freaked out when George put his hand on Caiti's waist, but that none of them said anything about their friend Snikrep, who sexually abused Beau. Do these guys only support the victims that benefit them?
Crazy how dramatized Twitter made this event become. This is not even remotely SA and 18 is an adult so people should stop treating it as some weird form of grooming.
agreed, i mean im 20 dating someone 9 1/2 years older than me. and i had met him when i was 19. its not grooming, let alone SA. yes she might have felt uncomfortable, but allegations like this are serious, it didnt seem malicious. idk how i rly ended up reading about this, im not even someone who watches george LOL.
I hate how the words “sexual assault” are being thrown out. What happened was not S.A., it was a dude making a move on girl she got nervous and regretted it. I am not down playing her feelings but he did not assault her, period. The way everyone jumped on him and cut him off is horrible. In the time of crisis people show their true colors, guess his “friends” showed theirs. This could have been all hashed out privately and not over social media, does he really need to be ruined over a touch of her hip? Maybe some therapy would do her good, not streaming it to the world. Hope you are ok George.
Exactly like no matter what legally no crime was committed which means it is not and cannot be called sexual assault. I have experienced SA myself before and this whole situation has felt pretty ridiculous to me and made me feel like SA isn’t going to be taken as seriously moving forward if we consider touching of the waist as SA
bro his whole career is on the internet, if she needed to bring awareness that he was a bad person she would literally have to go on the internet for it
Right??? To call this sexual assault is ridiculous and baffling to me. Especially since they were both drunk and Caiti apparently never ONCE made advances to leave the situation or tell George she's uncomfortable.
came here from Internet anarchist video. i didn't even know about existence of George before today, but about 5 minutes into IA's video it's obvious where it's going to. i'm incredibly disgusted with that girl's behavior. i'm so sorry for you, man. you didn't deserve that. hope you'll heal and do well. sending love.
The most frustrating part of all of this is how George and Dream keep apologising, and being so over respectful towards Caiti and her friends, who are far from that. I doubt that Dteam think that way but in my opinion Caiti and her friend are PURPOSELY malicious and purposely confuse facts. Caiti’s first statement was nothing but poetic misinformation with a addition fake tears.
While George has every right to be rude, it's not worth risking something happening. Twitter is crazy and they might use rudeness as the last straw to dox him or something
It makes sense though, if they went on the war path, all those Twitter people would get mad and start accusing them of bullying victims or something, at least this way people on the fence that still might believe Caiti will get off his back.
You know were going to hell as a society when some 18yo who illegally drank and lied about her age is getting less backlash than a normal guy because he touched her stomach??
won’t say this on twitter bc i’d probably get doxxed or threatened, but as a victim of sexual assault and rape (while i was blackout drunk and the other party was sober) this situation feels a bit overblown. Yes, there are things George could have done to prevent it, but at the same time i personally wouldn’t classify a hand on the waist after hours of drunk cuddling SA. I believe Catie has a right to be uncomfortable, but the way she initially made this situation out was much much worse than reality. In reality, they were cuddling, both drunk, and George rested his hand on her waist/side. He didn’t force himself on her, he didn’t try and kiss her, he didn’t intentionally pressure her into anything. Alongside this, when they left that night and got to the elevator, he didn’t try to make her come with him, he amicably parted with her and had no knowledge that she was uncomfortable. I feel like people calling this SA are being a bit disingenuous and not understanding that the real world isn’t black and white or so cut and dry. This easily could have been settled privately if she or anyone had actually expressed their concerns instead of keeping him in the dark.
when you have been through a traumatic experience like SA, *especially* if you were drunk, there are going to be pieces missing. your brain also does it's best to block out the trauma for a long time after because it knows the truth will ruin your worldview & trust in the world. my brain would block out my abuse for years, so i kept going back to the dangerous person & situation because i literally didn't know the trap or situation i was getting myself into every time. it was only years later that bits & pieces started to come back, there were huge chunks of memory missing, slowly i started to regain my memory, there are still some pieces missing that i don't know if i'll ever get back but i hope i will. i never drank the entire time, all the years, before & after my abuse, being drunk had nothing to do with my memory issues, but i can imagine them being confusing & excacerbating trauma memory issues in Caiti's situation. as someone who has experienced SA multiple times from different people, there is a mindblock, yes you can *technically* leave but you mentally don't feel like you are allowed to, if you do leave, you are the bad person for leaving, that they will make it worse for you the next time if you do leave or even try to leave, that you have to go back to them & make them feel better after for what they did, that you deserved it & it was the price for being there, being around that person. with SA the way my mind was, there wasn't even an option to not be a part of it, there was only an option of how much "control" do you want ? a little bit of "control" & gentle, or no control & rough. it was going to happen regardless of what i wanted so which way did i want it ? did i want to make them angry ? no i didn't want to upset them or make them angry so i "complied" with what they did to me. i would try to stop them but try to make it seem like it's not a big deal, more so in front of others, in way they couldn't be upset with me for, they said i would "play fight" with them & it was "just joking". which they then used over & over again. i didn't want to upset them or make them angry so i "complied" with what they did to me, "you didn't leave" "you enjoyed it" "you didn't stop me" "you were just joking" i cuddled, laughed & smiled before & after my abuse, every time, at them & others, because i didn't want them to be upset or angry at me, or blame me. some of my abuse happened surrounded by people i loved & cared about & they didn't notice, they thought everything was fine, they thought it was a joke when they pretended they were going to hurt me & pretended they were only joking when they strangled me a bit, & i didn't want to make a scene. Caiti talking about how she feels, how she felt, feeling dirty, that's a common experience among SA survivors. i feel that way almost daily, for the past 18 years. i flinch, when accidently touched & relive what happened a lot. i'm still scared that i misremember what happened, that it didn't happen, it was a bad nightmare, that i misunderstood, that it wasn't intentional, that it was an accident, that it wasn't those people it was someone else, that i'm just confused. i still sometimes hope that i'm crazy & delusional & wrong & that i imagined it, because that would be better than the alternative, that it all happened, that it's all true. in regards to Caiti's situation : a) there is a power imbalance. no romantic or sexual relationship initiated by someone with a power imbalance is healthy & 9/10 times is abuse. he has power over her in 2 ways, 1) he's older & 2) he's famous / a role model / she looked up to him. they weren't peers, they weren't on equal footing. b) she was drunk, he was drunk. him being drunk doesn't excuse his actions. she was drunk, she couldn't consent but c) he didn't even ask for consent. silence is not consent. cuddling someone, laughing & smiling at someone is not consent, especially not consent for sexual activities. d) they were strangers, they didn't know each other, they weren't in a long term romantic or sexual relationship, they (apparently) didn't even know each others ages. e) "hands going where i didn't ask them to go" "it wasn't out of nowhere" . they both implicitly, talk about & admit that sexual touching, groping, or whatever other word you want to use, happened, that's a fact, it wasn't *just* "tickling" . i do not believe that George is a predator, i do not believe he meant to or intended to assault Caiti, but he did. he did assault her. * no one should assume they have the right to someone else's body, no should assume they have the right to touch someone, &/or test their boundaries &/or touch them sexually, especially not a stranger, especially when there is a power imbalance. consent has to be verbally expressed by both people involved, in other words enthusiastic consent. *
@@rainbowglass8319 I mean, most of the things you brought up about the situation were directly addressed in the video. There's a big difference between 18 and 21. George had no idea he had as much power over her as he did in that regard. As for his status, he also explained that as well. She had a hotel on dream floor, was an invited guest to the con, she was friends with their friends, etc. He also didn't have much reason to consider that as a power imbalance in the moment, as explained in his thought process. As for them both being drunk, it's stated by BOTH of them that she touched him back. It wasn't simply him cuddling her and being the only one to touch her. By the same token, she should have asked for his consent, no? Unfortunately, in the vast majority of cases, consent isn't seen as a black and white strictly verbal thing. Body language and actions CAN be a form of consent when paired together. It's not incredibly common for two drunk people to cuddle and for one to say, while drunk, "can i put my hand on your waist." especially when they're already cuddling? Like that just feels like a logical extension that didn't go any further. Nothing inherently sexual happened. They cuddled, her put a hand on her waist/side, tickled her while she played a game on her phone. That is not sexual. They had also been cuddling for a while and she repeatedly got up and came back to sit with him. It's so strange to me when people try to say things like "well i stayed with my abuser while i was in an abusive relationship! I went back to him constantly!" that is an extremely different scenario than the one painted for us. George isn't some serial abuser, he doesn't have a history of abusing people or Caiti. She could have, extremely easily, not sat back down and started cuddling again if she was uncomfortable. Nowhere in either of their statements was it said that he encouraged her to come back, forced her to come back, or made any indication that he would be upset or angry if she didn't. She assumed, without any basis really, multiple things about him and his behavior and just assumed that he would lash out or be violent or make a scene or get his ego hurt, all of these things. He, again, to our knowledge and the information provided, didn't do anything that would indicate and aggressive, erratic, or threatening behavior. So why did she go back to sit with him OTHER than her preconceived and constructed belief that he would have been hurt and offended by her moving? I've said since the beginning of this situation that Caiti is entitled to her feelings and is allowed to feel however she feels, but this instance was far from assault. But that's just my opinion. Sexual assault is defined as "sexual behavior that occurs without the consent of the victim." George had logical reason to believe she would be okay with a waist/side touch, which again, isn't an inherently sexual act. It CAN be, but George didn't act on anything or make any sexual advances, mean it wasn't sexual. So I personally wouldn't consider what happened any form of sexual assault. I think this was massively overblown from the start (largely due to Caiti's phrasings and wordings in the original that, like her thought process that night, largely assume malice on george's behalf AND purposefully use words and phrases that strongly imply that the situation was much worse than reality. She left out key information, all of which made the situation and george look worse than it was, AND information was kept from george up until this video here. This could have easily been something discussed in private, this could have been resolved without airing things publicly. There was miscommunication on both sides. They both have fault.
I'm not dismissing Caiti's feelings, but I feel like she took advantage of the situation with Shelby or even the allegations against Dream. She knew the community would feel confused and vulnerable and trying to support victims. It had been months since the incident but this is when she addressed it. She spread a lot of misinformation, and we already know her friends don't like Dream, so they could be encouraging the situation. Yes, she could've regretted it or felt shame and discomfort, but she knew the myct, streamer, or dsmp community felt betrayed, ashamed, scared, hurt, and vulnerable and manipulated that.
Also, this entire thing should have been private. if they both werent streamers than it would've ended in a conversation of what happened or just unrelated dislike. She was trying to expose him.
No one’s been talking about this but the reason she made it public i can GUARANTEE YOU is because her story is not even close to enough for a legal case
I’ve noticed that too. I stand with Shelby 100% and I’m so happy that her strength gave other actual victims motivation to come out with their stories. However, some people took the movement too far, skewing the actual purpose, wanting to jump on the bandwagon despite it never being that serious. Punz is a GREAT example of that.
Honestly, when your career is at stake, the best way to approach this kind of situation is to be professional and polite as you explain situation. Caiti definitely doesn't deserve an apology, though.
My friend, when you’re a man, this world is massively unforgiving for you. Take george as a lesson, EVEN IF YOU ARE THE ONE TRUE GOOD GUY OF THE STORY you are never allowed to be mean. It will make people feel justified in making you the bad guy. Would it feel good to see him call her a liar. OF COURSE, would it have been smart? HELL NO?
im very glad that George took this so professionally and maturely. Although, he should not be apologizing, I enjoy seeing the calmness and the trying to de-escalate the situation
"acting as a victim" accusation is fucked up. there was a power imbalance, but it wasn't intentional or taken advantage of. caiti is allowed to feel uncomfortable, and she is allowed to express that. she is allowed to have an opinion on why she felt uncomfortable, and why she thinks that what george did wasn't right. it's not your decision of who's right and who's wrong, that's up to the people involved. it's definitely not your decision to assume what caiti is saying is to get an advantage over george, the only reason she came out with this information was to follow shelby and help other young girls in her same situation.
@@sammmsamsamsShe is allowed to feel uncomfortable and express that she is uncomfortable. But she expressed it as if he SA her. Where was the expression of being uncomfortable at the time. Put yourself in George’s shoes. if she was going along with everything being happy and laughing the whole time. How exactly is George supposed to see this expression of being uncomfortable. This was simply a matter that could’ve been avoided if she expressed being uncomfortable and made it abundantly clear she wanted nothing to do with him. Instead it was blown out of proportion and used to attack him and his career..
@@sammmsamsams you didn’t really make a relevant point at all. Caiti and her friends initiated a lot of the interactions, especially when it came asking to go to the room, along with playing drinking games. They also ended a lot of interactions. They left when they wanted to. She had every opportunity to remove herself from the situation, and yet didn’t. In no way was there a power imbalance in effect, as it was just 2 people flirting and cuddling. This was not a sexual assault. It was a regret on Caiti’s part. This issue could’ve been figured out between them in private. It’s quite disgraceful to actual victims of sexual assault to say that “touching someone’s stomach after flirting and cuddling for hours is sexual assault.” The internet didn’t benefit from this emotionally stunted high school act. That’s what this entire problem is. Emotional immaturity. She’s allowed to feel uncomfortable. Is she allowed to share this and make false allegations that could ruin someone’s life? No.
@sammmsamsams In her situation? Of what? drinking when underage, doing something with an older guy and when you regret it blast him on the Internet? Great examples we're setting for girls
This seems like the type of thing that shpuld have been talked out between the 2 people instead of being brought straight to the internet to ruin someones career or both careers
@@thatextrovertartist5474 id just like to reiterate that she never said his name when bringing this all up.. it was cleared up later and ig was kind of implied, but never said explicitly
she regretted cuddling with him, and she calls it assault and now he's just apologizing for not having the ability to read minds. really sad tbh, i really liked caiti.
I believe that Caiti is upset about the situation. But being sexually assaulted and regretting something that you did is totally different. I’ve been assaulted/ groomed and raped. Her story is making us look like a joke. This should have been delt with in DMs.
Omg...i'm so sorry you've been through all of that... It must be really sad and hurtful to see other people treating their situations like something that bad. I'm deeply sorry you had to go through that. I know it's not much, but i'm here for you. You're not alone and you deserve way better. I truly wish you the best and hope that you are doing better now❤
Exactly. Her feelings are valid. They really are. However, this became a much bigger thing than it should have. This isn't SA. Is Caiti allowed to feel uncomfortable? Absolutely, she has the right to and George should have been more responsible. However, antagonizing him as a rpst or a sa'er when he's not(I hate censoring but yt deletes comments) will only bury ACTUAL rp and sa victims further down the line. This whole situation should have NEVER gotten this big. Also I am so so sorry you had to go through this. It's a shame the internet uses these serious accusations as buzz words nowadays
EXTACTLY HE NEEDS TO CALL HER OUT ON THIS AND TAKE BACK HIS APOLOGIES IN VALIDATING HER FEELINGS! He won objectively, showed evidence, but his PUBLIC IMAGE is fcked if he keeps apologizing.
@@ley90 nah i think its the other way around i agree that cati seems to have just done this for clout, she has exaggerated, not talked about important info, and even made up evidence, george has defended himself very well, but idk if you have the dislike show extension but he is still getting a shit ton of dislikes, about a 4.5 likes to 1 dislike ratio but on the first video it was like 2 to 1, now thats not really gonna affect him i dont think and i dont even think hes lost that many subs from this but the last thing you want to do in this situation is fuel the fire i wouldnt be surprised if george is actually very angry at cati for making such blatantly false accusations, but to make sure channels cant make "GEORGE ACCUSES CATI OF ..." kinds of videos about this situation, itd just be best if he stays kind to cati besides, he wouldnt really have anything to gain from flaming her, nonetheless people are already realizing cati is at the very least not telling the truth
He's apologizing because he's a genuinely nice person and feels bad he made her feel like this. I'm a victim of SA and it was from my own dad, he did it once and I forgave him way to fast giving him a second chance to do it again. So I understand why he would be apologetic but it's actually sad cause what caiti is doing is Hella wrong. :/
@@ley90his image is fucked either way because instead of privately dming each other they took it to twitter and NO ONE ever listens to both sides of the story smh
@@2_cr34t1v3 personally i would prefer if he takes back his words in validating her about how she felt that night, yeah sure she can feel uncomfortable about it all she wants, go her. but she purposefully over exaggerated and left out some important information about her experience that night, if george didnt responded to her allegations we wouldn't have known that the two were just cuddling, yet she purposefully left that information out when she first came out, WHY IS THAT? this woman was pushing this narrative to make george seem like a brutal r@pist abuser. she's blatantly trying to ruin his career and should've handled this privately but instead she wanted the whole world to hear about her one bad experience she had with george. but then george is the one ending up apologizing to her, which is so disappointing. george not found more like spine not found, he needs to grow one ASAP and insult this woman because she's minimizing what SA is truly like. @immasnarl292 mentioned he wouldn't gain anything from this, which is true, but i think it would bring him some of his dignity back because he's been bending over and pandering to his stupid ass audience for so long. his friends, especially the brits group, when caiti came out with her experience they instantly sided with her and NEVER bothered to hear out george's side and instantly deemed him as an abuser? wHAT? this community that he's a part of is so toxic and PLASTIC. ITS INSANE. the fact that his FRIENDs instantly threw him out of the bus like that?? especially that guy tobbo hes such a complete reta
@@Grapemuncher55 Only if he lets it stay damaged. The best thing he can do for his career is to move on, to keep going. It'll work itself out, and he'll come out with an even better audience than before. However, the best thing he can do for his mental health is to take a break, evaluate some things, and get a better grip on himself internally and externally.
Caiti's wording was extremely disingenuous in her original statement. When I first heard what happened, from the language she used I honestly thought George had r@ped her. But...they literally didn't even kiss. They cuddled, and he tickled her on the sides under her shirt. This might sound incredibly harsh, and I do put it down to her, perhaps, naïvety and growing up like a lot of cc's did - the internet, where real life is oversimplified with things like "consent is always verbal!" and "drunk people can't consent!" and other broad statements that delude you into thinking everyone has this black and white unrealistic and inflexible viewpoint - to where, being in an actual party environment, with people who did not grow up in this bubble and (rightly or wrongly) don't think they need to ask "are you ok?" before each and every interaction, would assume that the person would say something if they were uncomfy. As I said, right or wrong, it's all dependent on context. It's the same way I have friends I would banter and be more raunchy or offensive with, but other friends I know would be really horrified if I made a sexual joke to them. Neither is right or wrong, but when these bubbles cross paths, situations like what is happening with George and Caiti, can occur. This has been blown out of proportion, especially on Twitter, which will always virtue-signal the extreme end of everything, ie. you must ask consent verbally BEFORE EVERYTHING and that George is somehow a paedophile from flirting and cuddling with a legal adult. "Freshly 18" means nothing and was clearly used to make the situation seem far seedier and more malicious than it is. Besides, she was "stale 18" if that means anything, because her birthday is January and this was in the summer. So, another falsehood. Frankly, this should not have been the business of the internet. Yes, George, you probably should have asked for verbal consent, ESPECIALLY given that you know there have been (proven) unfounded accusations made about your friends in the past. However, this is ridiculous. I feel like we are no longer allowed to just move on from situations, look back and go "yeah, that was a mistake" or "yikes, what was I thinking!" lol Now it has to be predatory actions on behalf of the other person - there always has to be someone at fault. My personal belief on what went down - Caiti was reciprocating because she was enjoying herself, however, when George began to progress things, she was nervous and didn't want to progress due to her own admitted inexperience. So...they didn't! They parted ways amicably. However, when Caiti was back around her friend group, who clearly completely despise the Dream Team, this clouded her view of WHY she had felt nervous. I believe she was, at the time, because she looked up to George (which she admitted) and because she was a virgin (also which she said). But hearing all her friends repeatedly reinforce how disgusting George was for flirting with her, about the accusations against Dream, soured her memory. She now clearly views it as she was nervous because GEORGE was making her uncomfortable. That he was intentionally, MALICIOUSLY, doing that. So, in her mind, it went from “oh my gosh that was a lot” and “wow that made me realise I’m not ready for anything sexual” to suddenly “holy shit he was PREYING on me”. They remember the interaction (mostly, as all memories fade over time) accurately, with George seeing it through a lens of "we both had a great time" and Caiti a lens of "oh my god, my friends were right, he was being creepy. he KNEW I was 18, he KNEW I was uncomfortable. He's a sexual predator!" But how could she know this? In the end, it doesn't really make a difference to me which side - 'she regretted it after' vs. 'she hated it during' - is right or not. George isn't a mind-reader. If, as he says, she was smiling and reciprocating, how was he supposed to know she was uncomfortable? Caiti herself said that she went along with it because she was scared around other people and even kept coming back when she got up because of this fear, but when it came to getting into the elevator alone, she was confident enough to turn him down? The logic behind this doesn't align. The only way George COULD have known Caiti was uncomfortable, without a doubt, is if she said it. Which she didn't. So how can SHE know that HE KNEW she was uncomfortable? She certainly didn't tell him herself, did she? She can only assume it based upon her, admittedly "blackout drunk" memories, and the recollection of people who already despise George and his friends. I simply don't see how one can say that is reliable enough to bring such serious accusations to the public eye. To not even reach out, say "hey, I was thinking about what happened at that party, and wanted to let you know I didn't like what ended up happening" is so so so bad faith, it's unbelievable. It, to me, shows her intentions behind this. Not to make George accountable so he learns, not to give herself some closure, but simply to make it as public and as damaging to George as possible. I imagine her friends were instrumental in "supporting" her in this decision. This is an adult take, so inexperienced 14-year-olds reading this, please bear with me: we all have some level of responsibility for what happens to us in life (on a small scale, not meaning war or hurricanes). Are you at fault if someone does something horrible to you in a park late at night? No, obviously not. However, what led us to be in that park that night? Did we surround ourselves with bad friends who wouldn't offer us a ride home? Did our previous experiences make us naïve that this particular park was safe? Caiti needs to take some accountability here. As I said, George is not a mind reader. You MUST advocate for yourself in life because, clearly from this situation, you cannot rely on strangers to know what you are feeling (nor your 'friends' to stick up for you). The only person you have is yourself. Caiti had many opportunities to leave or to ask George to stop, and she didn't because, as she said, she essentially 'fauned'. This is a valid reaction to trauma, but I find it very tricky to then say George should have seen through this. He didn't know her. They'd only just met. If her own friends couldn't see it right in front of them, how can you hold George to this standard? To conclude, while I have been quite harsh on Caiti, I do believe she feels traumatised by what happened. But frankly, this is a simple misunderstanding that got blown way out of proportion (purposefully, I can only speculate). Before anyone comes for me, I am a survivor of repeated SA and CSA. Please don't invalidate this. George, this has obviously been a big wake-up call. Yes, you as a man do have inherent power over women (whether you want to or not) because of the way society is. Additionally, because you are a big creator, this will influence how intimidating you are to others. You were clearly very ignorant before this and I sincerely hope it has allowed you to reflect on your own behaviour moving forward. However, you are being far more apologetic and 'understanding' than you need to be and it clearly shows your good character and intentions. I wouldn't blame you if you persued legal action, to be honest, given how over-exaggerated Caiti's accusations and statements have been. I hope you can move on from this. Edit: On re-watching Caiti's statement, something she said concerned me. She said she was asexual (at the time of the alleged assault) "due to past bad experiences" but that George was her first sexual experience. I know victims do not often count assaults as a sexual experience, but she counted George. So...which is it? Or did she forget that she had even said these two very inconsistent statements? TLDR; everyone involved needs to get therapy instead of bringing their every trauma to social media for validation from strangers.
I agree with almost everything! The only thing i do disagree with however is what you say about verbal consent, I think if you are on a first time basis with that individual, as you never been intimate before, I do thonk you should be asking each other "is this okay?" "Can I do ____?" Etc, I think establishing some level of consent is important, it also helps allow the other person to say no (gives them an opportunity if they would otherwise feel too nervous or scared to) also you 100% ask before kissing someone or any touching of eachothers ge3ntalia or s3x if its the first time and you haven't created a basis of predetermined consent at the very least, although I'm not talking about just touching someone on the side, it's still helpful if they want to ask if it's okay anyway because it can clear up things as well, you know? Im also a fellow multiple times survivour, I wish I was asked if certain things were okay (and if the times they were asked, that my no was respected, but that's unrelated) I think at the very least, have a discussion about these things if you're gonna be touching etc, to create a basis "is this okay?" Is better than nothing Idk, we are all different, I'm someone who requires verbal consent and it shouldn't be that dofficult to be adults and communicate consent before or during things (in the sense of asking for it) not talking about if something has happened and you're too scared to say anything, but I have also been there (people think that not saying mo = yes, which freaks me out.)
@@alexb7092 I think I agree with you. To clarify, I do think verbal consent should always be asked before anything genital/underwear-covering should occur, especially with new partners, and unless you and a long-established partner have agreed on an 'open touch' policy. Additionally, if it's what you are comfortable with, then verbal consent should be before every tiny interaction too! My problem here is that, as George said, he saw touching Caiti's waist as "tame" and she, being a virgin, did not. George did not know she was a virgin. He did not know she thought this was a big deal. This is, in essence, the entire root of the miscommunication. So I believe that the fault is on BOTH of them for not communicating, and I can't, in good conscience, call what happened 'an assault'. It would feel like a disservice and a bit of a slap in the face, really. It was a miscommunication. I know I sound harsh against Caiti, but not only has the way she has handled this felt so intentionally phrased to sound as predatory as possible rather than just an accurate reflection of her experience, but all these vague suggestions to other horrible things people have done 'behind the scenes', has made me doubtful as to her true intentions. I am always happy for evidence to point me otherwise, however. I just think a lot of younger people on the internet lack critical thinking skills and are scared to be accused of "not supporting the victim 100%!!" so they dogpile with no rhyme or reason, and then are too scared to retract their earlier hatred when proven wrong, so they double-down. Case in point, the Dream accusations.
I honestly think this could’ve been solved with a simple conversation after what happened…it’s so unfortunate how many creators ran with the situation to make themselves look morally superior
yeah the whole situation is caitibugzz trying to get as much attention as shelby did so i feel like caitibugzz is just making this stuff up to get attention and honestly this is so rude espeically to people like shelby who have actually experienced abuse @@Mirak-el
I've always been disinterested in George, but my perception of him has changed drastically due to how respectfully and gracefully he has responded to everything considering how utterly awful people online have been. I'm impressed.
Same here, never liked George until I came across this whole fiasco and the way he's handled it. I feel sorry for both parties and hope they can move on and heal from this misunderstanding.
I don’t even know who this guy is bfr this case.I don’t play games so I don’t actually know much about minecraft. He looks like genuinely good person & trying to understand her point of view eventhough she lied on many things.he is not even getting angry. If I were him,I would have cursed her
I haven’t watched him since the DSMP craze, but this sort of reminded me why I liked him. He comes off as very genuine and respectful even under circumstances like these.
Besides trying to ruin a man’s career and reputation, Caiti also took advantage of Shelby. Shelby was treated horribly and she saw the “drama” and attention her story got and wanted that.
Honestly George, take her to court!! You have all the proof that you did nothing even close to S/A, and she committed several crimes. She’s using the “victim” card to lie and try and ruin your life for clout. The whole thing was regret.
dawg stop apologizing. its clear theres a lot of misunderstanding and regret, the situation is so overdramatized its ridiculous. shouldve stayed in dms, it feels like im watching some kindergarten drama shit. the words SA are being overused so much now and accusations are being thrown so carelessly. it downplays and steps all over the severity of genuine SA that victims have gone through.
@@BeeDrill..alot of people said there’s no sides, someone’s trying to ruin a career and a life SA is a big allegation is in the wrong and he should press charges, he already got removed from a MrBeast promotion
This is clearly a case of a young woman not having much experience getting irresponsibly drunk and being in over her head. This isn't to say her feeling are not valid. They are. But this situation should have never left dms. I hope she gets therapy and you remember from now on to be more cautious who you hang out with and to check ages even if you don't think that's important and to ask for consent as you don't know what others are comfortable with. It's clear this was not SA but just a over step of boundaries and a good example of the reasons everyone needs a designated sober friend when alcohol is involved. Thank you for addressing this George.
This is exactly how i feel about it. She was and still is extremely young and obviously felt some type of way about being intimate with a guy like that for a first time while intoxicated in front of other people. Which is valid. But it does not mean it was SA and does not mean that George should have been called out like this. I know she didn’t name him in the original video but it doesn’t take much for people to put two and two together plus the way the situation was twisted just got out of hand.
I'd like to believe that she had the best intentions "exposing" George but her entire stream came off as manipulative and twisted the truth to fit a narrative that she was preyed on. So I cant help but feel like there was some malicious intent maybe not from Caiti but from people around her.
as a victim of actual rape and multiple other real SA’s I hate when people water down the terms. she can feel uncomfortable, that’s fine, but don’t call your piddly discomfort ‘assault.’ that’s been my main issue. people have spun this story into something that it clearly wasn’t.
Omg thank you! I personally have been lucky enough not to experience this so far in my life, but it always pisses me off when people say it was assault but they hadn't even kissed. Thanks for saying this, and I hope your okay mentally. I'm sorry that stuff happened to you. You deserve the world.
honestly, people need to mind their on business when it comes to this stuff. i went on twitter and noticed all the stuff that’s been going on in this situation. i read through all the comments in george’s tweets and they were all curing him out and saying rude stuff when he didn’t do anything wrong. george does not deserve all the hate he’s been getting from people who don’t even watch him. i swear everyone just sided with the female. her being okay with it then regretting it in the future is not s.a. hope you’re doing okay george.
@@maddyreyes4209 he wasn’t aware though, they came already stating they had a little to drink, if your at a convention with official parties yoy have to prove to them your 21 or lie.
@@donavyn6326 she wasn't drinking at the con though, drank with her friends yea but then went to dreams hotel room without a 21+ badge on. as a 26 year old man he shouldn't have put his hands up a young looking girls shirt WITHOUT an of age badge and WITHOUT consent
I honestly think Caiti needs to take some responsibility in this situation. Underage drinking, not communicating, and being mutually intimate with somebody at the time, only to go back on it later. Not to mention that misrepresenting something as SA when it clearly isn’t is incredibly harmful. George is not a mind reader. I don’t understand how he could physically have known she was uncomfortable when she gave absolutely no signals. Something as small as touching her waist while cuddling does not warrant a verbal ask. Anyone with any sexual experience would know that. I think the issue is that Caiti did not communicate her boundaries. But well done George for taking responsibility in a much more mature way than most people in this situation would do.
Not saying he’s an assaulter but I do think he should have asked her for boundaries or asked before touching and not just caiti not communicating boundaries
@@Loifeyyeah he should have but who in the real world does that? I’m sorry but if you’ve been to a party or a hangout with friends you start asking for consent when going ahead for something sexual, touching the waist area is just not that big of a deal
@@lulufool i guess but I think it’s extra important to ask if you are in a position where you are in power like an content creator. I do understand why he didn’t ask but good thing to think about to next time. Also where he touched her seems a bit unclear since from everyone I have heard people say different places
I don’t know if I’m right or wrong and please correct me if I do, but so far, I think accusing George with sexually assault is a decoy to cover and distract people from something that she has actually committed. If so, the something in this case is underage drinking.
She tried to argue that she was "freshly 18" but was born in January and met George in June. So 5 months into being 18... She worded it in the most creepy way possible.
-Be me -18 -Lied abt my age to get into a drinking game at Dream's hotel party after a crazy event -See George -Cuddle with George -He touches me (maybe maybe not) -I don't resist anyway and go with it -Months pass, I keep talking to him in a friendly manner -gUyS hE iS a SeXuAl AsSaUlTeR
you forgot that she also regrets biting him during the drinking game, the text she sent him before she got to the room, making sure he'd be in Dream's room when she got there, staying when her friends left, til 5am, and standing at the elevator as he tried to woo her into going to his room with him, even after the elevator door closed (he pressed the open button so it'd reopen and she was still there), and texting him after, til he found out her age and ghosted her, also how'd they get each others number in the first place? did she give it to him specifically for a reason?
i’m on george’s side. caiti is over exaggerating her experience like crazy. saying things like she’ll never be the same after being touched after cuddling. so soo dramatic omg
please keep in mind that even if george is inoccent and didnt have bad intention. she can still be traumatized by what happened. im a sa victim myself, even if the other person didnt mean to, it can still scar someone for life.
As a SA victim, I am so sorry that you were accused of SA, her whole story does not make any sense as she has changed it many times. She is disgusting. I hope you can continue making videos, all your fans miss you so much. I thinks it's funny that all your fans and friends have switched up even thought regretting an experience after it happened is not sexual assault.
sorry i don’t even care for george or caiti. completely unbiased. this isn’t SA. this is just cause something maybe awkward happened with a creator and she wanted attention. that’s all this is. it’s screams it. u regretting something isn’t SA.
When george touched caiti's waist, it is called SA, but when caiti herself cuddled with him, what is it called?? C'mon people, where's the gender equality now???
@@notphoenix2389 Well if she avoided his touch, she deserved all the support. But she didn't, and now she's not in a place to call it 'a sexual assault'. Cuz it's clearly regret.
It sounds like pure miscommunication and you've been beyond villanized over it. Caitibugzz sounded uncomfortable over the situation, which is fine, it happens. But I assume she went to her friends and they convinced her it was mega grooming.
I'm very upset that you're apologizing to this woman who had tried to ruin your life and lie about the stuff you did.. I been watching you and dream for awhile now and I know you would never do something like this and the fact she took advantage of your kindness just shows who's truly in the wrong.. I would sue her especially for underage drinking
It’s not wild. The sad reality is that twitter users (and social media users in general) would have automatically took the woman’s side, no matter how flimsy the allegations were
I mean when the allegation came out it was in the aftermath of one of the biggest creators in the MCYT space successfully being outed as a serial abuser. I don’t want to say we were “feeling good” but there was at least this feeling of “this is great! Glad the girlies are taking back their power” and it kinda United this fractured community in support of Shelby and set a precedent for other victims to be able to come forward. Then her video came out, it was very emotional and was framed in such a way that there was absolutely no question that whoever her “assaulter” was they were absolutely vile. The emphasis on the age difference (and that he knew), luring her and her friends to their hotel room, purposely getting them drunk, the vagueness of the “assault” it was really sickening to hear. I’m not surprised people have taken her side, the way she described the events sounds absolutely horrific and textbook in terms of “scummy celebrity taking advantage of a younger girl in the industry”. I still don’t know quite what to think since the opposing views on the situation are so extreme. Her side “I was sexually assaulted and will be traumatized for life” His “I had no idea and am so sorry I made you feel that way, but I truly didn’t know you felt that way” None of us KNOW what really happened and we don’t really know these creators. If we go off the actions of other trusted creators and former friends, he’s a scumbag, but because of these creator’s track record with people having it out for them with false accusations and preying on their downfall it’s hard to know if it’s coming from a genuine place or just to avoid backlash/ air personal grievances. It’s complicated.
@@Jay-qu2bcthere is one post where she claims “False allegations doesn’t ruin ppl at all.once eveything cleared they can go back to their normal lifes”.this tweet has 15k likes. I mean many ppl died bcz of false allegations but twitter mob thinks other wise.
innocent until proven guilty doesnt even exist anymore, its always guilty until proven innocent now which is bullshit. Like this situation and more before it, its destroyed multiple careers and reputations. One false allegation made all his friends switch up on him
Sexual assault is an act in which one intentionally sexually touches another person without that person's consent, He did not have her consent, therefore, it is Sexual assault. Just because you like some manchild's minecraft videos doesn't mean you should overlook this.
@@nowh_8808 "I couldn't remember" :yet here I am remembering in perfect detail" - Georgenoconsent. I believe the 18 year old victim. not the near 30 year old still playing a game for children.
George, my guy, you are kind, TOO kind. If I were you and I had experienced what you had to go through these past few weeks I would've had no sympathy whatsover towards any people who would try to ruin my career and reputation. It was an issue of communication, from BOTH you and Caiti, it's unfair how people (and even yourself) put all the blame on you. Non verbal and verbal consent are an important factor, especially in an environment where people are drinking. Non verbal communication is a part of consent too. The problem was that there was a misunderstanding between you two, you could have asked for permission, but Caiti could also have expressed verbally what she was feeling at that time. It's good that you're trying to be more cautious in the future, but please, don't put all the blame on yourself. You two should have communicated better with each other in order to avoid any kind of misunderstanding. She shouldn’t have brought this to the public, exaggerating things to make you look like a bad person. You are not an abuser, you are not a r4pist, this was just blown out of proportion. People from Twitter are emotionally driven, that's a toxic platform. Your emotions and intentions are valid too, remember that, focus on the positive comments and the overall perspective from other platforms aside from Twitter, you'll find how different people views are regarding this situation. I believe you man, and I hope things go well for you from now on :)
exactly like the amount of hate he received, jokes about his death and stuff if i were him i'd literally SUE her ass bro the audacity she's got is craaazzyy and the way she's threatened him on twt too lmaooo ppl still call her a victim it's hilarious
fr I don't get why George and even Dream are being so kind with these allegations. his reputation is getting scarred for no reason and it's honestly so aggravating to me that they're being so polite. It's not exactly the perfect way to deal with this but it's also kind of admirable
Bro is still pandering to this woman who maliciously tried to harm him, his reputation, and career. This chik has taken ZERO accountability for her actions, and maliciously left out context to make George look as bad as possible. Why is George STILL pandering and apologizing at this point? And you expect me to believe, a chik that runs around NA and UK clubbing and partying/drinking had her first physical contact with George putting his arm around her???? LMAO... Bruh people are so dang gullible and naive. Caiti is FULL OF IT and a professional VICTIM! 🤣... See this behavior from George and Dream, is why this keeps happening. They make themselves targets by constantly pandering. They are such easy targets for people who want to exploit them for attention and clout.
"I'm sorry I didn't think that Caiti only stayed because of power imbalances" why are u apologizing? thats on her on staying and thinking that, it's not ur job George to read people's minds.
TNH the "power imbalance" thing is ridiculous. He has no authority over her and he wasn't acting like it. Her sticking around becayse she's a clout fiend who wanted to be around bugger youtubers doesn't mean he had some kind of power over her.
holy shit, theres just no way she's not being malicious. the business chat being changed, all the back tracking, this is the kinda shit my ex did when i found literal evidence of her living an entire second life cheating on me. i hope he doesnt let people take advantage of him because he's being SOO genuine and nobody's seeming to give him the benefit of the doubt...holy fuck. also seriously, whats the deal with people just not saying whats on their mind? like the amount of times i think 'man i had no idea i wish they'd told me or given any indication" irl is insane, so to hear other people having this issue its like ok, those people should just fucking talk
I am so sorry George. You chose to be the bigger person. Caiti robbed you off opportunities you may never get back, and it seems your feelings are dismissable because of what you, as a man, are expected of from society. But you are allowed to be angry and hurt, I would cry to be in your position. You handled this gracefully than anyone else. I sincerely hope you have a small circle of friends and loved ones supporting you through this. You are valid and you matter
Bro you need to stop apologizing you didn't do anything illegal it's best to take a break from the Internet and sue her for false accusations since she didn't show any proof.
Consider suing her, file a lawsuit, this is a planned action to discredit you, they defamed you and your reputation is scarred forever. This is ridiculous
For real though, he'd never actually do it though unfortunately because it would put an even worse impression of him on his delusional childish fanbase
@@wumbcthis is so unfortunate and unfair for him tbh. If I’m in his position I’d sacrifice everything to sue her cuz you can’t just false accuse someone such big things and ruined their life, and not getting consequences
I don’t think he has the stones for it based on how apologetic he is, but I wish he would and also a lot of the people attacking and defaming him online, these kids need a dose of reality
That’s insane how that’s the take away for all of you. George himself said that her feelings are valid. She felt violated and made a irresponsible decision to speak about it publicly. George had no bad intentions but still made several mistakes within the interaction. Miscommunication on both parties.
A small thing i noticed is caiti body language during stream. Disclaimer I don’t know how scientificly accurate this fact is. If during conversation person looking up right that means is remembering something that happened, if up left this person most probably creating, fantasising about story. Also down left for inner monologue and down right person absolutely sure with their words. (If person is lefthanded it’s opposite)And during caiti’s stream she always looking up left Edit: comparing to george’s response its even more visible
I’m sorry but Caiti’s language was so malicious. Firstly using terms like “freshly 18” or calling you “the older guy”, talking about how she felt “lucky” that a verified account talked to her and let’s not forget how she “complied” to drinking. Is awful that you feed this narrative. 18 years old is NOT a child. She was trying to paint a picture of you being a predator that uses your power to take advantage of drunk teenagers. Those factors can absolutely play a part on SA but in this case NOT. The focus should have been the alleged SA, yet she chose to paint you in the worst light possible. I think there should be justice for victims of SA, but also I think there should be consequences for people that make false accusations.
If you still think George is "problematic" or an assaulter and not just someone who gave a touchy hug without asking, theres no helping you. Yes consent is important but this is NOT an instance of sa and should never have left the realm of private discussion.
Normal people do not ask for consent every time they move their hand during an hour+ of cuddling, thats not how these things work, we need to stop letting chronically online virgins lead the debate on sex and consent.
no sentence should contain the words "yes consent is important, but" all it had to take was a simple question whether it was alright or not, if you're not willing to ask people for consent you probably should be widely considered as a problematic person
@@mudfishy indeed, still, Caiti's feelings although valid, they're making her picture the situation as something bigger than it was. Really the only thing to take away from this is that 1. Understanding consent is something everyone should be working on. 2. Don't label every little thing as SA. Or really any serious and life changing terrible event that causes trauma.
@mudfishy Oh my gosh, should I ask my friends every time I want to hug or tickle them? Some things are spur of the moment and if you're with someone who has been flirting with you and shows no sign of discomfort his behavior was normal. I'm not excusing him not asking because she was still a relative stranger, but you people acting like you need to ask for consent in every single situation are just proving how chronically online you are.
genuinely believe you did nothing wrong i hope your okay and aren’t hurt by this yourself and if i had the time i would watch your videos to help bring back all the ones you lost because of this but ill subscribe in the meantime and watch when i can. always saw you on random videos or watched your videos when they were suggested stay strong fr and know your not alone too
The moral of the story, don't start cuddling with someone before asking them if they are comfortable, don't drink underage, don't lie, don't sit there and watch while you feel like you're being abused and, don't apologize for things that aren't your fault
3/24/24 Caiti made a new statement and admit she didn’t watch this response he made and change her story . Now she’s claiming he touched her chest and not just her waist . This made a lot of people question things and many have said George is not a bad person and will change and that Caiti has valid feelings but that she should have handled this offline . I recommend everyone watch her stream called “Final thoughts” and make your choice from there . But from what everyone is now saying is that this was a big mistake from both sides and that this should have been talked about privately to one another . I’m only stating this as many don’t have twitter . I highly recommend rewatching every statement from both George and Caiti to understand everything.
Sadly people still still think she's a victim and did nothing wrong, no matter how much proof George has and how much Cati and her friends lie it damaged George's career permanently.
Very interesting how a literal abuser isn’t getting bashed n hated on for literally abusing MULTIPLE women. But George is getting so much heat for something that should have 100% been private. I 100% full believe it’s because there’s certain people wit certain agendas spending non stop to harass and put this shit way out of proportion n then combined with brain dead people who’s only life goal is to make everyone as miserable as them is EATING this shit up n hating on George unnecessarily. George the hate you received for this was way too much and I’m glad you have people around you to help you mentally and whatnot. 👍
i mean to be fair, its better that the abuser doesnt get bashed and hated on for all that shit so as to not give the scumbag any more attention or spotlight than hes already gotten, the only ones who people should be paying attention to there are the victims, not the abuser.
no reason to apologize, she's 18, you cuddled for an hour which is enough for you to touch her stomach. she's disgusting, her friends are disgusting. even if she did it for clout, her friends, or if she just regretted flirting with you, allegations like this is crazy.
also, since he was under the impression that it was a good experience, can you imagine how humiliating it must be to get called out and hear that the other person essentially hated it? this could have easily been a text like "hey bro last night was not cool". but no it needs to be aired out in front of millions of people as fodder for the extremist twitter sjws. of course.
This situation has been blown out of proportion. It should have been handled privately. Honestly I from what I see in the situation is that there was a misunderstanding and still Caitis feelings are valid but they were both drunk at the time and Caiti did something she regreted later. However all of this is not on George
It just sucks since everything is taken to twitter where it blows up into something insane. Stuff like this should be handled privately and not in a way where fans from each side make it worse.
@@SeraTheStrangeShe's literally wishing for his death by her own admission and life tweets.Wishing for dreams, death.She wanted it to get to this degree
btw yall, caiti said on twitter: "I will be away for a week and then i will stream a final statement. so once again you can hear voice and sincerity. and probably my final statement on it all." and its been a lil over a week since then 1 more round of this shi 😭
No fr like i’m sorry she felt uncomfortable but that is not a george’s fault whatsoever. He isn’t a mind reader. Especially the signs she was showing him. Not every single mutual physical contact needs to be a verbal agreement. Sometimes the signs are just right and things happen which was clearly the case. Any feelings of discomfort that she had after is seriously not his problem and he should not be at fault.
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She lied about her age. Then lied again about Sexual Assault. And now this young man, who did nothing wrong, goes through hell, his career and public image are damaged. This society is a joke.
Fr like why not talk about all shit she lied about and now everyone is like support the victim well yeah support the victim but after u hear both sides and for me i believe george
@@Ari_688same
i like how we just ignore the underage drinking 💀, like homegirl already should be in jail and throwing out allegations on other ppl
everything about this situation is just wrong and this young man was wronged on so many levels.@@mysticeditsstuff
But I think it’s the person over 21 years of ages, fault. Idk.
Regretting an experience after does not equal sexual assault.
fr, ive seen people saying they got SA and caiti is making them look like a joke, and i feel awful for those people
she only regrets not getting enough clout initially and thought of a way to get more.
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भवतः हृदयस्य धड़कनं कतिपयेषु घण्टेषु स्थगयिष्यति, अस्य शापस्य मुक्तिं प्राप्तुं एकमात्रं मार्गं मम चैनलस्य सदस्यतां कुर्वन्तु.
@@ville__ It says to subcribe doesn't it?
This whole video is basically just George apologizing about not being able to read minds 😭
Ikr 😢 like why does he have to be so kind
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poor guy 😢
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This is the most professional response I’ve ever seen. Clearly displayed information and didn’t blame anyone. What a way to handle this situation you’ve got my admiration
YESS. i appreciate how he didn’t try to enhance his statement with words that can make the audience like interpret a more exaggerated or deeper meaning. I love how he considered her perspective multiple times and was very very careful with his choice of words since SA is a very sensitive topic. Even apologizing for making her feel uncomfortable. While Caiti is very like idk, she just throws accusations and isn’t very careful about what she says.
@@seth4470 are yall being sarcastic LOL
I think Cr1TiKaL always does the best responses, with his amazing humour and speach skills
@@rooby3995 you must be dumb if you still believe caitibug LMFAO go look online, she deleted all of her streams of george and privated her account. Shes obviously in the wrong for continuously lying and making out george to seem worse than what actually happened. unlike caiti, george showed proof and there are multiple videos online about the matter (which MAJORITY shows facts, statements and proof george is innocent.)
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I’m starting to feel like communication is non existent in the creator space.
Fr
Seems like dream team are the only ones who even try to talk to people in private...
@@4242miska FR EXACTLY
Friends communicate.
Contrary to the image they portray to the public, content creators are not friends.
agreed
this whole situation sounds like miscommunication and regret, not SA.
I think so too
Yeah it really does
Fr
THIS ☝️☝️
it is actually
You need to sue this girl and set an example for people who think they can profit off of false allegations. She's actively changing her story and repeating proven lies on you for the sole purpose of defaming you. This isn't someone you should be backing into a corner for.
totally agree
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100% right
As someone who’s gone thru SA, this is ridiculous. Caiti was never physically forced to do anything with. From her perspective, she actively engaged in it because she felt special and didn’t want to miss out being “intimate” with a big creator. However, sexual acts you regret is not SA. I don’t think she should have accused him of sexual assault so lightly, as there are actual victims out there.
The argument that “she could still be traumatised” by a lot of her supporters is valid, however she shouldn’t have blamed George for her feelings. In the moment she wanted it, even if she only wanted it as he was a big creator. She is a grown woman that went to a drinking party illegally, so obviously you would assume everyone there is 21 and over.
this!!
Yess!!!
SA doesnt require you to be physically forced to do something. if they did something sexual and he initiated it that would be SA since she was drunk and so couldnt consent
the only real room for arguments on what happened is where she was specifically touched since both have been vague about it
IMO george implies he touched her breasts since he talks about moving his hand further up and focuses so much on that while separating it from stuff like touching her waist and the tickling/squeezing
@@5267w they were both drunk so cancels out.
@@5267wit's not the only argument cause (by her own words) she claims "it's not just regret, i felt uncomfortable in the moment" but did not speak up nor move from George... most of the witnesses there (George included) states that she got up several times but went back to cuddling with him knowing that touching and flirting was happening. Cause of this, her entire allegation is now up for question
How funny that the British group freaked out when George put his hand on Caiti's waist, but that none of them said anything about their friend Snikrep, who sexually abused Beau. Do these guys only support the victims that benefit them?
THIS. U so real for this. They supporting "victims" only when it benefits them...
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Yes.
Crazy how dramatized Twitter made this event become. This is not even remotely SA and 18 is an adult so people should stop treating it as some weird form of grooming.
agreed, i mean im 20 dating someone 9 1/2 years older than me. and i had met him when i was 19. its not grooming, let alone SA. yes she might have felt uncomfortable, but allegations like this are serious, it didnt seem malicious. idk how i rly ended up reading about this, im not even someone who watches george LOL.
That’s twitter for you, has to be the worst platform in the world.
to be fair, it was mostly caitie cultivating this response
18 teen is basically a young adult but it'd be weird being "touched" by a guy 8/9yrs older than you 💀
THISS!!!!
Order in the court:
George is innocent!
Lol at this point he’s becoming the victim
@@Adam.K901 He's been the victim the moment she started yapping about those lies
GeorgeNotGuilty
@@tomute9212 fr
women can get away with any type of sexual assault too much. This needs to stop
The fact that George is still so respectful and still apologetic just breaks my heart. I hope everything gets resolved 🌸
I hate how the words “sexual assault” are being thrown out. What happened was not S.A., it was a dude making a move on girl she got nervous and regretted it. I am not down playing her feelings but he did not assault her, period. The way everyone jumped on him and cut him off is horrible. In the time of crisis people show their true colors, guess his “friends” showed theirs. This could have been all hashed out privately and not over social media, does he really need to be ruined over a touch of her hip? Maybe some therapy would do her good, not streaming it to the world.
Hope you are ok George.
well said.
THANK YOU!! I’ve been saying this, very well said
Exactly like no matter what legally no crime was committed which means it is not and cannot be called sexual assault. I have experienced SA myself before and this whole situation has felt pretty ridiculous to me and made me feel like SA isn’t going to be taken as seriously moving forward if we consider touching of the waist as SA
Well fucking said
fucking facts
This all should have been handled in private.
she’s the one that went to twitter about it.
She's the one that made it public.She tried to ruin someone's life and wished for his death over this.She deserves to be called out
@@paulr.07this comment is referring to that. She should have reached out to George first.
@@114bleachfanI agree!
bro his whole career is on the internet, if she needed to bring awareness that he was a bad person she would literally have to go on the internet for it
I'm glad the internet is finally seeing the truth that George is the real victim here.
Mate im fully with you, her video is clearly faking the crying. You are not alone. We all love you man.
That profile picture tho💀
Am i tweaking or did bro just apologise for not being able to read minds💀
BHAHAHA FR
Men in relationships have to do this everyday lol
Basically lol
@@Garland317 Facts its sad lol.
He has to unfortunately, because people are quick to cancel everyone these days
sorry but as a woman i dont even understand what he did wrong? ☠☠
Touch stomach I guess 💀?
*WARNING: ⚠️ 🚨 Wanted Stomach Ticklers in your area* 🚨 ⚠️
🤭🤭@@reuus
AHAHAH @@reuus
Right??? To call this sexual assault is ridiculous and baffling to me. Especially since they were both drunk and Caiti apparently never ONCE made advances to leave the situation or tell George she's uncomfortable.
Stop apologizing, just call out this liar of it's BS.
This thing accusing you is subhuman at this point.
came here from Internet anarchist video. i didn't even know about existence of George before today, but about 5 minutes into IA's video it's obvious where it's going to.
i'm incredibly disgusted with that girl's behavior. i'm so sorry for you, man. you didn't deserve that.
hope you'll heal and do well. sending love.
So did i
thanks bro
Watch internet anarchist it explains everything
The most frustrating part of all of this is how George and Dream keep apologising, and being so over respectful towards Caiti and her friends, who are far from that. I doubt that Dteam think that way but in my opinion Caiti and her friend are PURPOSELY malicious and purposely confuse facts. Caiti’s first statement was nothing but poetic misinformation with a addition fake tears.
They’re used to it by now and try to be as respectful as possible, sad that they feel the need to, twitter’s a shithole
While George has every right to be rude, it's not worth risking something happening. Twitter is crazy and they might use rudeness as the last straw to dox him or something
Just so you know, Caiti's friends HATE the Dream Team. So I won't be suprise if this whole allegations is set up by them to ruin them.
It makes sense though, if they went on the war path, all those Twitter people would get mad and start accusing them of bullying victims or something, at least this way people on the fence that still might believe Caiti will get off his back.
@@user-vr7pk2zk8v She was absolutely pushed to make thag video. Im willing to be someone else wrote the entire script for her too
George officially beat the tickle monster allegations
the fuck 😭
THATS WILD
Tickle monster is crazy
LMAO it's comments and replies like this that's eases the tension
alternative title🥰
You know were going to hell as a society when some 18yo who illegally drank and lied about her age is getting less backlash than a normal guy because he touched her stomach??
this should be handled IN PRIVATE. but since it’s public now, THIS IS HOW YOU APOLOGIZE PUBLICLY.
won’t say this on twitter bc i’d probably get doxxed or threatened, but as a victim of sexual assault and rape (while i was blackout drunk and the other party was sober) this situation feels a bit overblown. Yes, there are things George could have done to prevent it, but at the same time i personally wouldn’t classify a hand on the waist after hours of drunk cuddling SA. I believe Catie has a right to be uncomfortable, but the way she initially made this situation out was much much worse than reality. In reality, they were cuddling, both drunk, and George rested his hand on her waist/side. He didn’t force himself on her, he didn’t try and kiss her, he didn’t intentionally pressure her into anything. Alongside this, when they left that night and got to the elevator, he didn’t try to make her come with him, he amicably parted with her and had no knowledge that she was uncomfortable. I feel like people calling this SA are being a bit disingenuous and not understanding that the real world isn’t black and white or so cut and dry. This easily could have been settled privately if she or anyone had actually expressed their concerns instead of keeping him in the dark.
This is very well said and it sucks that twitter has become so toxic that this is considered an attack
This generation needs to mature up and take responsibility when it comes to being drunk
Don't translate......,
भवतः हृदयस्य धड़कनं कतिपयेषु घण्टेषु स्थगयिष्यति, अस्य शापस्य मुक्तिं प्राप्तुं एकमात्रं मार्गं मम चैनलस्य सदस्यतां कुर्वन्तु.
when you have been through a traumatic experience like SA, *especially* if you were drunk, there are going to be pieces missing. your brain also does it's best to block out the trauma for a long time after because it knows the truth will ruin your worldview & trust in the world.
my brain would block out my abuse for years, so i kept going back to the dangerous person & situation because i literally didn't know the trap or situation i was getting myself into every time.
it was only years later that bits & pieces started to come back, there were huge chunks of memory missing, slowly i started to regain my memory, there are still some pieces missing that i don't know if i'll ever get back but i hope i will.
i never drank the entire time, all the years, before & after my abuse, being drunk had nothing to do with my memory issues, but i can imagine them being confusing & excacerbating trauma memory issues in Caiti's situation.
as someone who has experienced SA multiple times from different people, there is a mindblock, yes you can *technically* leave but you mentally don't feel like you are allowed to, if you do leave, you are the bad person for leaving, that they will make it worse for you the next time if you do leave or even try to leave, that you have to go back to them & make them feel better after for what they did, that you deserved it & it was the price for being there, being around that person.
with SA the way my mind was, there wasn't even an option to not be a part of it, there was only an option of how much "control" do you want ? a little bit of "control" & gentle, or no control & rough.
it was going to happen regardless of what i wanted so which way did i want it ? did i want to make them angry ? no i didn't want to upset them or make them angry so i "complied" with what they did to me.
i would try to stop them but try to make it seem like it's not a big deal, more so in front of others, in way they couldn't be upset with me for, they said i would "play fight" with them & it was "just joking".
which they then used over & over again.
i didn't want to upset them or make them angry so i "complied" with what they did to me, "you didn't leave" "you enjoyed it" "you didn't stop me" "you were just joking"
i cuddled, laughed & smiled before & after my abuse, every time, at them & others, because i didn't want them to be upset or angry at me, or blame me. some of my abuse happened surrounded by people i loved & cared about & they didn't notice, they thought everything was fine, they thought it was a joke when they pretended they were going to hurt me & pretended they were only joking when they strangled me a bit, & i didn't want to make a scene.
Caiti talking about how she feels, how she felt, feeling dirty, that's a common experience among SA survivors. i feel that way almost daily, for the past 18 years.
i flinch, when accidently touched & relive what happened a lot.
i'm still scared that i misremember what happened, that it didn't happen, it was a bad nightmare, that i misunderstood, that it wasn't intentional, that it was an accident, that it wasn't those people it was someone else, that i'm just confused. i still sometimes hope that i'm crazy & delusional & wrong & that i imagined it, because that would be better than the alternative, that it all happened, that it's all true.
in regards to Caiti's situation :
a) there is a power imbalance. no romantic or sexual relationship initiated by someone with a power imbalance is healthy & 9/10 times is abuse. he has power over her in 2 ways,
1) he's older &
2) he's famous / a role model / she looked up to him.
they weren't peers, they weren't on equal footing.
b) she was drunk, he was drunk. him being drunk doesn't excuse his actions. she was drunk, she couldn't consent but
c) he didn't even ask for consent. silence is not consent. cuddling someone, laughing & smiling at someone is not consent, especially not consent for sexual activities.
d) they were strangers, they didn't know each other, they weren't in a long term romantic or sexual relationship, they (apparently) didn't even know each others ages.
e) "hands going where i didn't ask them to go" "it wasn't out of nowhere" . they both implicitly, talk about & admit that sexual touching, groping, or whatever other word you want to use, happened, that's a fact, it wasn't *just* "tickling" .
i do not believe that George is a predator, i do not believe he meant to or intended to assault Caiti, but he did. he did assault her.
* no one should assume they have the right to someone else's body, no should assume they have the right to touch someone, &/or test their boundaries &/or touch them sexually, especially not a stranger, especially when there is a power imbalance. consent has to be verbally expressed by both people involved, in other words enthusiastic consent. *
@@rainbowglass8319 I mean, most of the things you brought up about the situation were directly addressed in the video. There's a big difference between 18 and 21. George had no idea he had as much power over her as he did in that regard. As for his status, he also explained that as well. She had a hotel on dream floor, was an invited guest to the con, she was friends with their friends, etc. He also didn't have much reason to consider that as a power imbalance in the moment, as explained in his thought process.
As for them both being drunk, it's stated by BOTH of them that she touched him back. It wasn't simply him cuddling her and being the only one to touch her. By the same token, she should have asked for his consent, no?
Unfortunately, in the vast majority of cases, consent isn't seen as a black and white strictly verbal thing. Body language and actions CAN be a form of consent when paired together. It's not incredibly common for two drunk people to cuddle and for one to say, while drunk, "can i put my hand on your waist." especially when they're already cuddling? Like that just feels like a logical extension that didn't go any further.
Nothing inherently sexual happened. They cuddled, her put a hand on her waist/side, tickled her while she played a game on her phone. That is not sexual. They had also been cuddling for a while and she repeatedly got up and came back to sit with him. It's so strange to me when people try to say things like "well i stayed with my abuser while i was in an abusive relationship! I went back to him constantly!" that is an extremely different scenario than the one painted for us. George isn't some serial abuser, he doesn't have a history of abusing people or Caiti. She could have, extremely easily, not sat back down and started cuddling again if she was uncomfortable. Nowhere in either of their statements was it said that he encouraged her to come back, forced her to come back, or made any indication that he would be upset or angry if she didn't. She assumed, without any basis really, multiple things about him and his behavior and just assumed that he would lash out or be violent or make a scene or get his ego hurt, all of these things. He, again, to our knowledge and the information provided, didn't do anything that would indicate and aggressive, erratic, or threatening behavior. So why did she go back to sit with him OTHER than her preconceived and constructed belief that he would have been hurt and offended by her moving?
I've said since the beginning of this situation that Caiti is entitled to her feelings and is allowed to feel however she feels, but this instance was far from assault. But that's just my opinion. Sexual assault is defined as "sexual behavior that occurs without the consent of the victim." George had logical reason to believe she would be okay with a waist/side touch, which again, isn't an inherently sexual act. It CAN be, but George didn't act on anything or make any sexual advances, mean it wasn't sexual. So I personally wouldn't consider what happened any form of sexual assault. I think this was massively overblown from the start (largely due to Caiti's phrasings and wordings in the original that, like her thought process that night, largely assume malice on george's behalf AND purposefully use words and phrases that strongly imply that the situation was much worse than reality. She left out key information, all of which made the situation and george look worse than it was, AND information was kept from george up until this video here. This could have easily been something discussed in private, this could have been resolved without airing things publicly. There was miscommunication on both sides. They both have fault.
I'm not dismissing Caiti's feelings, but I feel like she took advantage of the situation with Shelby or even the allegations against Dream. She knew the community would feel confused and vulnerable and trying to support victims. It had been months since the incident but this is when she addressed it. She spread a lot of misinformation, and we already know her friends don't like Dream, so they could be encouraging the situation. Yes, she could've regretted it or felt shame and discomfort, but she knew the myct, streamer, or dsmp community felt betrayed, ashamed, scared, hurt, and vulnerable and manipulated that.
Also, this entire thing should have been private. if they both werent streamers than it would've ended in a conversation of what happened or just unrelated dislike. She was trying to expose him.
No one’s been talking about this but the reason she made it public i can GUARANTEE YOU is because her story is not even close to enough for a legal case
@@bagelfish8916I 100% agree on this, not even assault. he TICKLED her and would never be taken to court.
thats what im saying! like she had no proof and him, dream, and even the online friend have all of the texts and receipts
I’ve noticed that too. I stand with Shelby 100% and I’m so happy that her strength gave other actual victims motivation to come out with their stories. However, some people took the movement too far, skewing the actual purpose, wanting to jump on the bandwagon despite it never being that serious. Punz is a GREAT example of that.
ur being too nice. Just call her a liar lol, who cares if u come off insensitive, shes literally trying to kill ur career 😭
People would coma at him for that though and his career would be done for bc people on the internet are so braindead and sensitive 😭💀
Honestly, when your career is at stake, the best way to approach this kind of situation is to be professional and polite as you explain situation. Caiti definitely doesn't deserve an apology, though.
My friend, when you’re a man, this world is massively unforgiving for you. Take george as a lesson, EVEN IF YOU ARE THE ONE TRUE GOOD GUY OF THE STORY you are never allowed to be mean. It will make people feel justified in making you the bad guy. Would it feel good to see him call her a liar. OF COURSE, would it have been smart? HELL NO?
im very glad that George took this so professionally and maturely. Although, he should not be apologizing, I enjoy seeing the calmness and the trying to de-escalate the situation
I’m not sure why George is apologizing, especially about the ‘power imbalance.’ It seems that Caiti is using that to act as a victim.
lowk facts
"acting as a victim" accusation is fucked up. there was a power imbalance, but it wasn't intentional or taken advantage of. caiti is allowed to feel uncomfortable, and she is allowed to express that. she is allowed to have an opinion on why she felt uncomfortable, and why she thinks that what george did wasn't right. it's not your decision of who's right and who's wrong, that's up to the people involved. it's definitely not your decision to assume what caiti is saying is to get an advantage over george, the only reason she came out with this information was to follow shelby and help other young girls in her same situation.
@@sammmsamsamsShe is allowed to feel uncomfortable and express that she is uncomfortable. But she expressed it as if he SA her. Where was the expression of being uncomfortable at the time. Put yourself in George’s shoes. if she was going along with everything being happy and laughing the whole time. How exactly is George supposed to see this expression of being uncomfortable. This was simply a matter that could’ve been avoided if she expressed being uncomfortable and made it abundantly clear she wanted nothing to do with him. Instead it was blown out of proportion and used to attack him and his career..
@@sammmsamsams you didn’t really make a relevant point at all. Caiti and her friends initiated a lot of the interactions, especially when it came asking to go to the room, along with playing drinking games. They also ended a lot of interactions. They left when they wanted to. She had every opportunity to remove herself from the situation, and yet didn’t. In no way was there a power imbalance in effect, as it was just 2 people flirting and cuddling.
This was not a sexual assault. It was a regret on Caiti’s part. This issue could’ve been figured out between them in private. It’s quite disgraceful to actual victims of sexual assault to say that “touching someone’s stomach after flirting and cuddling for hours is sexual assault.”
The internet didn’t benefit from this emotionally stunted high school act. That’s what this entire problem is. Emotional immaturity. She’s allowed to feel uncomfortable. Is she allowed to share this and make false allegations that could ruin someone’s life? No.
@sammmsamsams In her situation? Of what? drinking when underage, doing something with an older guy and when you regret it blast him on the Internet? Great examples we're setting for girls
This seems like the type of thing that shpuld have been talked out between the 2 people instead of being brought straight to the internet to ruin someones career or both careers
it’s a shame that not a single person even tried to privately message George about it and took it straight to the internet
@@emmajadex5117 fr bc the internet isnt a court.
She’s doing it for attention obviously, that’s the only reason why shit like this is brought up. They wanted to cause a stir and ruin lives.
Family guy mention 🗣️🗣️🗣️
@@thatextrovertartist5474 id just like to reiterate that she never said his name when bringing this all up.. it was cleared up later and ig was kind of implied, but never said explicitly
Caiti is taking advantage of this guy's politeness what the heck?!
And Caiti didnt even watch that video before making her final statement. Thats ridiculous
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she regretted cuddling with him, and she calls it assault and now he's just apologizing for not having the ability to read minds. really sad tbh, i really liked caiti.
yeah, well i guess we just found out she aint a nice person
will not be watching any of her streams
I believe that Caiti is upset about the situation. But being sexually assaulted and regretting something that you did is totally different. I’ve been assaulted/ groomed and raped. Her story is making us look like a joke. This should have been delt with in DMs.
She wants that 4r
Omg...i'm so sorry you've been through all of that...
It must be really sad and hurtful to see other people treating their situations like something that bad.
I'm deeply sorry you had to go through that.
I know it's not much, but i'm here for you.
You're not alone and you deserve way better.
I truly wish you the best and hope that you are doing better now❤
Exactly. Her feelings are valid. They really are. However, this became a much bigger thing than it should have. This isn't SA. Is Caiti allowed to feel uncomfortable? Absolutely, she has the right to and George should have been more responsible. However, antagonizing him as a rpst or a sa'er when he's not(I hate censoring but yt deletes comments) will only bury ACTUAL rp and sa victims further down the line. This whole situation should have NEVER gotten this big.
Also I am so so sorry you had to go through this. It's a shame the internet uses these serious accusations as buzz words nowadays
Regretting something she did? She was touched while drunk she didn’t consent to anything.
@@Katan____then open ur f-ing mouth girl, yall r so dramatic, this isnt sa, just a girl whos way too dramatic and likes to destroy ppls lives
Dude, STOP APOLOGISING! What she is doing is spitting on REAL victims of SA, she’s minimising it down to “ooo I kinda felt a bit weird”= SA.
EXTACTLY HE NEEDS TO CALL HER OUT ON THIS AND TAKE BACK HIS APOLOGIES IN VALIDATING HER FEELINGS! He won objectively, showed evidence, but his PUBLIC IMAGE is fcked if he keeps apologizing.
@@ley90 nah i think its the other way around
i agree that cati seems to have just done this for clout, she has exaggerated, not talked about important info, and even made up evidence, george has defended himself very well, but idk if you have the dislike show extension but he is still getting a shit ton of dislikes, about a 4.5 likes to 1 dislike ratio but on the first video it was like 2 to 1, now thats not really gonna affect him i dont think and i dont even think hes lost that many subs from this but the last thing you want to do in this situation is fuel the fire
i wouldnt be surprised if george is actually very angry at cati for making such blatantly false accusations, but to make sure channels cant make "GEORGE ACCUSES CATI OF ..." kinds of videos about this situation, itd just be best if he stays kind to cati
besides, he wouldnt really have anything to gain from flaming her, nonetheless people are already realizing cati is at the very least not telling the truth
He's apologizing because he's a genuinely nice person and feels bad he made her feel like this. I'm a victim of SA and it was from my own dad, he did it once and I forgave him way to fast giving him a second chance to do it again. So I understand why he would be apologetic but it's actually sad cause what caiti is doing is Hella wrong. :/
@@ley90his image is fucked either way because instead of privately dming each other they took it to twitter and NO ONE ever listens to both sides of the story smh
@@2_cr34t1v3 personally i would prefer if he takes back his words in validating her about how she felt that night, yeah sure she can feel uncomfortable about it all she wants, go her. but she purposefully over exaggerated and left out some important information about her experience that night, if george didnt responded to her allegations we wouldn't have known that the two were just cuddling, yet she purposefully left that information out when she first came out, WHY IS THAT? this woman was pushing this narrative to make george seem like a brutal r@pist abuser. she's blatantly trying to ruin his career and should've handled this privately but instead she wanted the whole world to hear about her one bad experience she had with george. but then george is the one ending up apologizing to her, which is so disappointing. george not found more like spine not found, he needs to grow one ASAP and insult this woman because she's minimizing what SA is truly like. @immasnarl292 mentioned he wouldn't gain anything from this, which is true, but i think it would bring him some of his dignity back because he's been bending over and pandering to his stupid ass audience for so long.
his friends, especially the brits group, when caiti came out with her experience they instantly sided with her and NEVER bothered to hear out george's side and instantly deemed him as an abuser? wHAT? this community that he's a part of is so toxic and PLASTIC. ITS INSANE. the fact that his FRIENDs instantly threw him out of the bus like that?? especially that guy tobbo hes such a complete reta
I can’t believe it’s already been 1 month since this release. I hope you are doing okay George😢
his career is permanently damaged
@@Grapemuncher55 Only if he lets it stay damaged. The best thing he can do for his career is to move on, to keep going. It'll work itself out, and he'll come out with an even better audience than before. However, the best thing he can do for his mental health is to take a break, evaluate some things, and get a better grip on himself internally and externally.
So she lies about everything but George continues to receive hate and his public image is destroyed, I hate this world
Caiti's wording was extremely disingenuous in her original statement. When I first heard what happened, from the language she used I honestly thought George had r@ped her. But...they literally didn't even kiss. They cuddled, and he tickled her on the sides under her shirt. This might sound incredibly harsh, and I do put it down to her, perhaps, naïvety and growing up like a lot of cc's did - the internet, where real life is oversimplified with things like "consent is always verbal!" and "drunk people can't consent!" and other broad statements that delude you into thinking everyone has this black and white unrealistic and inflexible viewpoint - to where, being in an actual party environment, with people who did not grow up in this bubble and (rightly or wrongly) don't think they need to ask "are you ok?" before each and every interaction, would assume that the person would say something if they were uncomfy. As I said, right or wrong, it's all dependent on context. It's the same way I have friends I would banter and be more raunchy or offensive with, but other friends I know would be really horrified if I made a sexual joke to them. Neither is right or wrong, but when these bubbles cross paths, situations like what is happening with George and Caiti, can occur.
This has been blown out of proportion, especially on Twitter, which will always virtue-signal the extreme end of everything, ie. you must ask consent verbally BEFORE EVERYTHING and that George is somehow a paedophile from flirting and cuddling with a legal adult. "Freshly 18" means nothing and was clearly used to make the situation seem far seedier and more malicious than it is. Besides, she was "stale 18" if that means anything, because her birthday is January and this was in the summer. So, another falsehood.
Frankly, this should not have been the business of the internet. Yes, George, you probably should have asked for verbal consent, ESPECIALLY given that you know there have been (proven) unfounded accusations made about your friends in the past. However, this is ridiculous. I feel like we are no longer allowed to just move on from situations, look back and go "yeah, that was a mistake" or "yikes, what was I thinking!" lol Now it has to be predatory actions on behalf of the other person - there always has to be someone at fault.
My personal belief on what went down - Caiti was reciprocating because she was enjoying herself, however, when George began to progress things, she was nervous and didn't want to progress due to her own admitted inexperience. So...they didn't! They parted ways amicably.
However, when Caiti was back around her friend group, who clearly completely despise the Dream Team, this clouded her view of WHY she had felt nervous. I believe she was, at the time, because she looked up to George (which she admitted) and because she was a virgin (also which she said). But hearing all her friends repeatedly reinforce how disgusting George was for flirting with her, about the accusations against Dream, soured her memory. She now clearly views it as she was nervous because GEORGE was making her uncomfortable. That he was intentionally, MALICIOUSLY, doing that. So, in her mind, it went from “oh my gosh that was a lot” and “wow that made me realise I’m not ready for anything sexual” to suddenly “holy shit he was PREYING on me”.
They remember the interaction (mostly, as all memories fade over time) accurately, with George seeing it through a lens of "we both had a great time" and Caiti a lens of "oh my god, my friends were right, he was being creepy. he KNEW I was 18, he KNEW I was uncomfortable. He's a sexual predator!" But how could she know this?
In the end, it doesn't really make a difference to me which side - 'she regretted it after' vs. 'she hated it during' - is right or not. George isn't a mind-reader. If, as he says, she was smiling and reciprocating, how was he supposed to know she was uncomfortable? Caiti herself said that she went along with it because she was scared around other people and even kept coming back when she got up because of this fear, but when it came to getting into the elevator alone, she was confident enough to turn him down? The logic behind this doesn't align.
The only way George COULD have known Caiti was uncomfortable, without a doubt, is if she said it. Which she didn't. So how can SHE know that HE KNEW she was uncomfortable? She certainly didn't tell him herself, did she? She can only assume it based upon her, admittedly "blackout drunk" memories, and the recollection of people who already despise George and his friends. I simply don't see how one can say that is reliable enough to bring such serious accusations to the public eye. To not even reach out, say "hey, I was thinking about what happened at that party, and wanted to let you know I didn't like what ended up happening" is so so so bad faith, it's unbelievable. It, to me, shows her intentions behind this. Not to make George accountable so he learns, not to give herself some closure, but simply to make it as public and as damaging to George as possible. I imagine her friends were instrumental in "supporting" her in this decision.
This is an adult take, so inexperienced 14-year-olds reading this, please bear with me: we all have some level of responsibility for what happens to us in life (on a small scale, not meaning war or hurricanes). Are you at fault if someone does something horrible to you in a park late at night? No, obviously not. However, what led us to be in that park that night? Did we surround ourselves with bad friends who wouldn't offer us a ride home? Did our previous experiences make us naïve that this particular park was safe? Caiti needs to take some accountability here. As I said, George is not a mind reader. You MUST advocate for yourself in life because, clearly from this situation, you cannot rely on strangers to know what you are feeling (nor your 'friends' to stick up for you). The only person you have is yourself. Caiti had many opportunities to leave or to ask George to stop, and she didn't because, as she said, she essentially 'fauned'. This is a valid reaction to trauma, but I find it very tricky to then say George should have seen through this. He didn't know her. They'd only just met. If her own friends couldn't see it right in front of them, how can you hold George to this standard?
To conclude, while I have been quite harsh on Caiti, I do believe she feels traumatised by what happened. But frankly, this is a simple misunderstanding that got blown way out of proportion (purposefully, I can only speculate). Before anyone comes for me, I am a survivor of repeated SA and CSA. Please don't invalidate this.
George, this has obviously been a big wake-up call. Yes, you as a man do have inherent power over women (whether you want to or not) because of the way society is. Additionally, because you are a big creator, this will influence how intimidating you are to others. You were clearly very ignorant before this and I sincerely hope it has allowed you to reflect on your own behaviour moving forward. However, you are being far more apologetic and 'understanding' than you need to be and it clearly shows your good character and intentions. I wouldn't blame you if you persued legal action, to be honest, given how over-exaggerated Caiti's accusations and statements have been. I hope you can move on from this.
Edit: On re-watching Caiti's statement, something she said concerned me. She said she was asexual (at the time of the alleged assault) "due to past bad experiences" but that George was her first sexual experience. I know victims do not often count assaults as a sexual experience, but she counted George. So...which is it? Or did she forget that she had even said these two very inconsistent statements?
TLDR; everyone involved needs to get therapy instead of bringing their every trauma to social media for validation from strangers.
THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻
Completely agree!
I agree with almost everything! The only thing i do disagree with however is what you say about verbal consent, I think if you are on a first time basis with that individual, as you never been intimate before, I do thonk you should be asking each other "is this okay?" "Can I do ____?" Etc, I think establishing some level of consent is important, it also helps allow the other person to say no (gives them an opportunity if they would otherwise feel too nervous or scared to) also you 100% ask before kissing someone or any touching of eachothers ge3ntalia or s3x if its the first time and you haven't created a basis of predetermined consent at the very least, although I'm not talking about just touching someone on the side, it's still helpful if they want to ask if it's okay anyway because it can clear up things as well, you know?
Im also a fellow multiple times survivour, I wish I was asked if certain things were okay (and if the times they were asked, that my no was respected, but that's unrelated)
I think at the very least, have a discussion about these things if you're gonna be touching etc, to create a basis "is this okay?" Is better than nothing
Idk, we are all different, I'm someone who requires verbal consent and it shouldn't be that dofficult to be adults and communicate consent before or during things (in the sense of asking for it) not talking about if something has happened and you're too scared to say anything, but I have also been there (people think that not saying mo = yes, which freaks me out.)
@@alexb7092 I think I agree with you. To clarify, I do think verbal consent should always be asked before anything genital/underwear-covering should occur, especially with new partners, and unless you and a long-established partner have agreed on an 'open touch' policy.
Additionally, if it's what you are comfortable with, then verbal consent should be before every tiny interaction too!
My problem here is that, as George said, he saw touching Caiti's waist as "tame" and she, being a virgin, did not. George did not know she was a virgin. He did not know she thought this was a big deal. This is, in essence, the entire root of the miscommunication.
So I believe that the fault is on BOTH of them for not communicating, and I can't, in good conscience, call what happened 'an assault'. It would feel like a disservice and a bit of a slap in the face, really. It was a miscommunication. I know I sound harsh against Caiti, but not only has the way she has handled this felt so intentionally phrased to sound as predatory as possible rather than just an accurate reflection of her experience, but all these vague suggestions to other horrible things people have done 'behind the scenes', has made me doubtful as to her true intentions.
I am always happy for evidence to point me otherwise, however. I just think a lot of younger people on the internet lack critical thinking skills and are scared to be accused of "not supporting the victim 100%!!" so they dogpile with no rhyme or reason, and then are too scared to retract their earlier hatred when proven wrong, so they double-down. Case in point, the Dream accusations.
i aint readin allat' is george bad or nah
I honestly think this could’ve been solved with a simple conversation after what happened…it’s so unfortunate how many creators ran with the situation to make themselves look morally superior
but then how would she get twitter clout if she did that?? duhhh
ag7
Nuh uh, she faked a messge, which is why this couldn't have solved privately because the point of this whole thing was for it to be a public matter.
yeah the whole situation is caitibugzz trying to get as much attention as shelby did so i feel like caitibugzz is just making this stuff up to get attention and honestly this is so rude espeically to people like shelby who have actually experienced abuse @@Mirak-el
George looks like he is about to cry… ITS SO SICKENING what society has become.
I've always been disinterested in George, but my perception of him has changed drastically due to how respectfully and gracefully he has responded to everything considering how utterly awful people online have been. I'm impressed.
Same here
And the fact that he’s doing the bare minimum of what content creators do..mad respect for him bro
Same here, never liked George until I came across this whole fiasco and the way he's handled it. I feel sorry for both parties and hope they can move on and heal from this misunderstanding.
I don’t even know who this guy is bfr this case.I don’t play games so I don’t actually know much about minecraft.
He looks like genuinely good person & trying to understand her point of view eventhough she lied on many things.he is not even getting angry.
If I were him,I would have cursed her
I haven’t watched him since the DSMP craze, but this sort of reminded me why I liked him. He comes off as very genuine and respectful even under circumstances like these.
Besides trying to ruin a man’s career and reputation, Caiti also took advantage of Shelby. Shelby was treated horribly and she saw the “drama” and attention her story got and wanted that.
and now no one’s talking about Shelby anymore, because of this. that’s so fked up
So freaking true bro
It's really hard to believe woman anymore, and I'm saying this as a woman...
@@anaalina5964you go girl! i hope he picks you!
@@anaalina5964but Shelby’s is a woman, and so are so many other victims, why are you gonna change your view on a whole gender based on one person
Honestly George, take her to court!! You have all the proof that you did nothing even close to S/A, and she committed several crimes. She’s using the “victim” card to lie and try and ruin your life for clout. The whole thing was regret.
dawg stop apologizing.
its clear theres a lot of misunderstanding and regret, the situation is so overdramatized its ridiculous. shouldve stayed in dms, it feels like im watching some kindergarten drama shit. the words SA are being overused so much now and accusations are being thrown so carelessly.
it downplays and steps all over the severity of genuine SA that victims have gone through.
Blud seriously caught her in a lie like 5 times
exactly and no ones talking about it!!!
@@ilovetulips everyone is talking about it
@@BeeDrill..alot of people said there’s no sides, someone’s trying to ruin a career and a life SA is a big allegation is in the wrong and he should press charges, he already got removed from a MrBeast promotion
Real
Fr
This is clearly a case of a young woman not having much experience getting irresponsibly drunk and being in over her head. This isn't to say her feeling are not valid. They are. But this situation should have never left dms. I hope she gets therapy and you remember from now on to be more cautious who you hang out with and to check ages even if you don't think that's important and to ask for consent as you don't know what others are comfortable with. It's clear this was not SA but just a over step of boundaries and a good example of the reasons everyone needs a designated sober friend when alcohol is involved. Thank you for addressing this George.
This is exactly how i feel about it. She was and still is extremely young and obviously felt some type of way about being intimate with a guy like that for a first time while intoxicated in front of other people. Which is valid. But it does not mean it was SA and does not mean that George should have been called out like this. I know she didn’t name him in the original video but it doesn’t take much for people to put two and two together plus the way the situation was twisted just got out of hand.
Exactly Bro, 100%
Well said
I'd like to believe that she had the best intentions "exposing" George but her entire stream came off as manipulative and twisted the truth to fit a narrative that she was preyed on.
So I cant help but feel like there was some malicious intent maybe not from Caiti but from people around her.
Ur weird
I swear if george pulls off a lil mosey going downfall after false allegations I really don't know what to say at this point.
as a person who has been sa'd multiple times as a child, i find caiti so disgusting honestly
I’m so sorry that happened to your childhood
how is caiti gonna defend herself on this bro.. soooo much stuff she exaggerated and lied about
fr its wraps for her
She didn’t lie she posted proof tf?
watch the full video@@baimaki
bet u watched 3 mins of the video and then replied to my comment bfr@@Avamelody_
@@kileaa I’m not picking sides genius , sorry for making you upset ❤️
as a victim of actual rape and multiple other real SA’s I hate when people water down the terms. she can feel uncomfortable, that’s fine, but don’t call your piddly discomfort ‘assault.’
that’s been my main issue. people have spun this story into something that it clearly wasn’t.
W comment, finally
Omg thank you! I personally have been lucky enough not to experience this so far in my life, but it always pisses me off when people say it was assault but they hadn't even kissed. Thanks for saying this, and I hope your okay mentally. I'm sorry that stuff happened to you. You deserve the world.
@@Izu_Afton1483 I’m doing very well now, lots of healing
@@cactusplantreal Of course, I'm glad your doing well. You have a good night/day as well
ikr like if him putting her arm around her wait was sexual assault a guy going in for the kiss without verbal consent must be rape
honestly, people need to mind their on business when it comes to this stuff. i went on twitter and noticed all the stuff that’s been going on in this situation. i read through all the comments in george’s tweets and they were all curing him out and saying rude stuff when he didn’t do anything wrong. george does not deserve all the hate he’s been getting from people who don’t even watch him. i swear everyone just sided with the female. her being okay with it then regretting it in the future is not s.a. hope you’re doing okay george.
She lied for fame
What the actual f is wrong with these girls 😒
What is wrong is that they are trying to play around with people's career.
They were both drunk, so this whole problem is too stupid.
yeah but the person accusing S.A. that ruins a career and potentionally a life
the person he was with was under the legal drinking. hes weird
@@maddyreyes4209 he wasn’t aware though, they came already stating they had a little to drink, if your at a convention with official parties yoy have to prove to them your 21 or lie.
@@donavyn6326 she wasn't drinking at the con though, drank with her friends yea but then went to dreams hotel room without a 21+ badge on. as a 26 year old man he shouldn't have put his hands up a young looking girls shirt WITHOUT an of age badge and WITHOUT consent
@@maddyreyes4209 she said she drank
I honestly think Caiti needs to take some responsibility in this situation. Underage drinking, not communicating, and being mutually intimate with somebody at the time, only to go back on it later. Not to mention that misrepresenting something as SA when it clearly isn’t is incredibly harmful. George is not a mind reader. I don’t understand how he could physically have known she was uncomfortable when she gave absolutely no signals. Something as small as touching her waist while cuddling does not warrant a verbal ask. Anyone with any sexual experience would know that. I think the issue is that Caiti did not communicate her boundaries. But well done George for taking responsibility in a much more mature way than most people in this situation would do.
I totally agree 💯
Fr
Not saying he’s an assaulter but I do think he should have asked her for boundaries or asked before touching and not just caiti not communicating boundaries
@@Loifeyyeah he should have but who in the real world does that? I’m sorry but if you’ve been to a party or a hangout with friends you start asking for consent when going ahead for something sexual, touching the waist area is just not that big of a deal
@@lulufool i guess but I think it’s extra important to ask if you are in a position where you are in power like an content creator. I do understand why he didn’t ask but good thing to think about to next time.
Also where he touched her seems a bit unclear since from everyone I have heard people say different places
I don’t know if I’m right or wrong and please correct me if I do, but so far, I think accusing George with sexually assault is a decoy to cover and distract people from something that she has actually committed. If so, the something in this case is underage drinking.
Aww poor thing! We're all with you George. We love you and always will. Take care of yourself.
no way caiti FAKED A MESSAGE 😭😭😭 shes trying too hard now.
Fr 😭
RIGHT
Yup 💀
@@samman_ So you fake a message so people believe you?? No.
@@samman_umm...okay it's not her fault she's being a lying little bitch okay..
She tried to argue that she was "freshly 18" but was born in January and met George in June. So 5 months into being 18... She worded it in the most creepy way possible.
I love how you never truely shifted the blame off yourself as you proved your innocence in a lot of this.
-Be me
-18
-Lied abt my age to get into a drinking game at Dream's hotel party after a crazy event
-See George
-Cuddle with George
-He touches me (maybe maybe not)
-I don't resist anyway and go with it
-Months pass, I keep talking to him in a friendly manner
-gUyS hE iS a SeXuAl AsSaUlTeR
Dudes lively-hood is at stake because someone who has been an adult for half a year, regrets cuddling. insane.
“freshly 18” twitter trying so hard to make him not only seem predatory but straight out a p-phile.
lmaoo
you forgot that she also regrets biting him during the drinking game, the text she sent him before she got to the room, making sure he'd be in Dream's room when she got there, staying when her friends left, til 5am, and standing at the elevator as he tried to woo her into going to his room with him, even after the elevator door closed (he pressed the open button so it'd reopen and she was still there), and texting him after, til he found out her age and ghosted her, also how'd they get each others number in the first place? did she give it to him specifically for a reason?
i’m on george’s side. caiti is over exaggerating her experience like crazy. saying things like she’ll never be the same after being touched after cuddling. so soo dramatic omg
That’s every girl that’s dumb
That’s what I’m saying.
My friend was thinking George was in the wrong.
But it was really all cati
frrr
please keep in mind that even if george is inoccent and didnt have bad intention. she can still be traumatized by what happened. im a sa victim myself, even if the other person didnt mean to, it can still scar someone for life.
@@mrquackerr nice joke 😂
As a SA victim, I am so sorry that you were accused of SA, her whole story does not make any sense as she has changed it many times. She is disgusting. I hope you can continue making videos, all your fans miss you so much. I thinks it's funny that all your fans and friends have switched up even thought regretting an experience after it happened is not sexual assault.
sorry i don’t even care for george or caiti. completely unbiased. this isn’t SA. this is just cause something maybe awkward happened with a creator and she wanted attention. that’s all this is. it’s screams it. u regretting something isn’t SA.
When george touched caiti's waist, it is called SA, but when caiti herself cuddled with him, what is it called?? C'mon people, where's the gender equality now???
george literally said that he initiated the cuddling
@@notphoenix2389 Well if she avoided his touch, she deserved all the support. But she didn't, and now she's not in a place to call it 'a sexual assault'. Cuz it's clearly regret.
@@notphoenix2389he said they both did
@@kookieee.97she still has the right to feel uncomfortable even if it’s not SA
@@Loifey Yes but she doesn't have a right to villainise him and said that he SAed her when it was regret not SA and he just tickled her
It sounds like pure miscommunication and you've been beyond villanized over it. Caitibugzz sounded uncomfortable over the situation, which is fine, it happens. But I assume she went to her friends and they convinced her it was mega grooming.
he should be villainized for sticking his hands up a drunk 18 year olds shirt without asking, but hey what do i know
this is nathorix / nattie forsyth's new alias by the way, a literal child predator
@@ginger41Ignorant child
@@ginger41she wasn’t the only one drunk just saying
@ginger41 did you even watch the 1st response?
"My dog stepped on a bee" ahh situation
Caiti acting is worst than amber heard lol
I'm very upset that you're apologizing to this woman who had tried to ruin your life and lie about the stuff you did.. I been watching you and dream for awhile now and I know you would never do something like this and the fact she took advantage of your kindness just shows who's truly in the wrong.. I would sue her especially for underage drinking
Bro’s getting hate just because he tickled a girl’s tummy while they were both drunk 😂
BAHAHAHA LOL
It's literally so ridiculous
FR 💀
the fangirls raging at George have never held hands with another person in their entire lives lol
He didn’t just “tickle” or “cuddle” her he did much more than that.
The fact that Twitter just so boldly took her side is wild.
It’s not wild. The sad reality is that twitter users (and social media users in general) would have automatically took the woman’s side, no matter how flimsy the allegations were
I mean when the allegation came out it was in the aftermath of one of the biggest creators in the MCYT space successfully being outed as a serial abuser. I don’t want to say we were “feeling good” but there was at least this feeling of “this is great! Glad the girlies are taking back their power” and it kinda United this fractured community in support of Shelby and set a precedent for other victims to be able to come forward.
Then her video came out, it was very emotional and was framed in such a way that there was absolutely no question that whoever her “assaulter” was they were absolutely vile. The emphasis on the age difference (and that he knew), luring her and her friends to their hotel room, purposely getting them drunk, the vagueness of the “assault” it was really sickening to hear. I’m not surprised people have taken her side, the way she described the events sounds absolutely horrific and textbook in terms of “scummy celebrity taking advantage of a younger girl in the industry”. I still don’t know quite what to think since the opposing views on the situation are so extreme. Her side “I was sexually assaulted and will be traumatized for life”
His “I had no idea and am so sorry I made you feel that way, but I truly didn’t know you felt that way”
None of us KNOW what really happened and we don’t really know these creators. If we go off the actions of other trusted creators and former friends, he’s a scumbag, but because of these creator’s track record with people having it out for them with false accusations and preying on their downfall it’s hard to know if it’s coming from a genuine place or just to avoid backlash/ air personal grievances. It’s complicated.
@@Jay-qu2bcthere is one post where she claims
“False allegations doesn’t ruin ppl at all.once eveything cleared they can go back to their normal lifes”.this tweet has 15k likes.
I mean many ppl died bcz of false allegations but twitter mob thinks other wise.
@@AskMe-fl2smp sure people working in the army have their career end over them too
It's twitter, what could we expect? Most of them are angry teenagers in need of hating on people all the time
innocent until proven guilty doesnt even exist anymore, its always guilty until proven innocent now which is bullshit. Like this situation and more before it, its destroyed multiple careers and reputations. One false allegation made all his friends switch up on him
man, i feel bad for you. hope thing go well.
As a womaan and a SA victim, this is so sad to think that they'd make everything SA because of their own stupidity.
me: *pokes my sister*
internet:OHAWFOEISUDIRSEFJHJ SA SA SA SA SA SA SA SA GOO TO JAIL AFEYGSDSJHVVIYWSQHJAC ECDSD
me:????
@@nowh_8808lmao
Sexual assault is an act in which one intentionally sexually touches another person without that person's consent,
He did not have her consent, therefore, it is Sexual assault.
Just because you like some manchild's minecraft videos doesn't mean you should overlook this.
@@cobaltblu4196 nothing about that interaction was sexual he just kept his hand on her hip
Regret isn't sa people like caiti need to understand thaf
@@nowh_8808 "I couldn't remember" :yet here I am remembering in perfect detail" - Georgenoconsent.
I believe the 18 year old victim. not the near 30 year old still playing a game for children.
George, my guy, you are kind, TOO kind. If I were you and I had experienced what you had to go through these past few weeks I would've had no sympathy whatsover towards any people who would try to ruin my career and reputation. It was an issue of communication, from BOTH you and Caiti, it's unfair how people (and even yourself) put all the blame on you. Non verbal and verbal consent are an important factor, especially in an environment where people are drinking. Non verbal communication is a part of consent too. The problem was that there was a misunderstanding between you two, you could have asked for permission, but Caiti could also have expressed verbally what she was feeling at that time. It's good that you're trying to be more cautious in the future, but please, don't put all the blame on yourself. You two should have communicated better with each other in order to avoid any kind of misunderstanding. She shouldn’t have brought this to the public, exaggerating things to make you look like a bad person. You are not an abuser, you are not a r4pist, this was just blown out of proportion. People from Twitter are emotionally driven, that's a toxic platform. Your emotions and intentions are valid too, remember that, focus on the positive comments and the overall perspective from other platforms aside from Twitter, you'll find how different people views are regarding this situation. I believe you man, and I hope things go well for you from now on :)
very well said thank you.
exactly like the amount of hate he received, jokes about his death and stuff if i were him i'd literally SUE her ass bro the audacity she's got is craaazzyy and the way she's threatened him on twt too lmaooo ppl still call her a victim it's hilarious
fr I don't get why George and even Dream are being so kind with these allegations. his reputation is getting scarred for no reason and it's honestly so aggravating to me that they're being so polite. It's not exactly the perfect way to deal with this but it's also kind of admirable
Your disgusting 😘
Don't translate......,
भवतः हृदयस्य धड़कनं कतिपयेषु घण्टेषु स्थगयिष्यति, अस्य शापस्य मुक्तिं प्राप्तुं एकमात्रं मार्गं मम चैनलस्य सदस्यतां कुर्वन्तु.
Bro is still pandering to this woman who maliciously tried to harm him, his reputation, and career. This chik has taken ZERO accountability for her actions, and maliciously left out context to make George look as bad as possible. Why is George STILL pandering and apologizing at this point? And you expect me to believe, a chik that runs around NA and UK clubbing and partying/drinking had her first physical contact with George putting his arm around her???? LMAO... Bruh people are so dang gullible and naive. Caiti is FULL OF IT and a professional VICTIM! 🤣... See this behavior from George and Dream, is why this keeps happening. They make themselves targets by constantly pandering. They are such easy targets for people who want to exploit them for attention and clout.
far too many apologies coming from George here, hope your year gets better mate ♥️
"I'm sorry I didn't think that Caiti only stayed because of power imbalances" why are u apologizing? thats on her on staying and thinking that, it's not ur job George to read people's minds.
TNH the "power imbalance" thing is ridiculous. He has no authority over her and he wasn't acting like it. Her sticking around becayse she's a clout fiend who wanted to be around bugger youtubers doesn't mean he had some kind of power over her.
how can he read mind?
holy shit, theres just no way she's not being malicious. the business chat being changed, all the back tracking, this is the kinda shit my ex did when i found literal evidence of her living an entire second life cheating on me. i hope he doesnt let people take advantage of him because he's being SOO genuine and nobody's seeming to give him the benefit of the doubt...holy fuck.
also seriously, whats the deal with people just not saying whats on their mind? like the amount of times i think 'man i had no idea i wish they'd told me or given any indication" irl is insane, so to hear other people having this issue its like ok, those people should just fucking talk
Don't translate......,
भवतः हृदयस्य धड़कनं कतिपयेषु घण्टेषु स्थगयिष्यति, अस्य शापस्य मुक्तिं प्राप्तुं एकमात्रं मार्गं मम चैनलस्य सदस्यतां कुर्वन्तु.
I am so sorry George. You chose to be the bigger person. Caiti robbed you off opportunities you may never get back, and it seems your feelings are dismissable because of what you, as a man, are expected of from society. But you are allowed to be angry and hurt, I would cry to be in your position. You handled this gracefully than anyone else. I sincerely hope you have a small circle of friends and loved ones supporting you through this. You are valid and you matter
Bro you need to stop apologizing you didn't do anything illegal it's best to take a break from the Internet and sue her for false accusations since she didn't show any proof.
Consider suing her, file a lawsuit, this is a planned action to discredit you, they defamed you and your reputation is scarred forever. This is ridiculous
For real though, he'd never actually do it though unfortunately because it would put an even worse impression of him on his delusional childish fanbase
@@wumbcthis is so unfortunate and unfair for him tbh. If I’m in his position I’d sacrifice everything to sue her cuz you can’t just false accuse someone such big things and ruined their life, and not getting consequences
I don’t think he has the stones for it based on how apologetic he is, but I wish he would and also a lot of the people attacking and defaming him online, these kids need a dose of reality
yeah george comes across as a pretty kind and genuine person so i doubt hed do that, he seems more focused on trying to use this to learn and improve
Caiti is a disgrace to true SA victims... smh
Don't translate......,
भवतः हृदयस्य धड़कनं कतिपयेषु घण्टेषु स्थगयिष्यति, अस्य शापस्य मुक्तिं प्राप्तुं एकमात्रं मार्गं मम चैनलस्य सदस्यतां कुर्वन्तु.
For real
Bro what
That’s insane how that’s the take away for all of you. George himself said that her feelings are valid. She felt violated and made a irresponsible decision to speak about it publicly. George had no bad intentions but still made several mistakes within the interaction. Miscommunication on both parties.
@@SilverBlaze1 Her feelings are valid. Calling it sexual assault is not.
He looks fine asf i cant lie sorry yall
Real 😔😔
A small thing i noticed is caiti body language during stream. Disclaimer I don’t know how scientificly accurate this fact is.
If during conversation person looking up right that means is remembering something that happened, if up left this person most probably creating, fantasising about story. Also down left for inner monologue and down right person absolutely sure with their words. (If person is lefthanded it’s opposite)And during caiti’s stream she always looking up left
Edit: comparing to george’s response its even more visible
I’m sorry but Caiti’s language was so malicious. Firstly using terms like “freshly 18” or calling you “the older guy”, talking about how she felt “lucky” that a verified account talked to her and let’s not forget how she “complied” to drinking. Is awful that you feed this narrative. 18 years old is NOT a child. She was trying to paint a picture of you being a predator that uses your power to take advantage of drunk teenagers. Those factors can absolutely play a part on SA but in this case NOT. The focus should have been the alleged SA, yet she chose to paint you in the worst light possible. I think there should be justice for victims of SA, but also I think there should be consequences for people that make false accusations.
Agree.
Very well said
I wish I can like this million times I been saying she's malicious from the start
exaclty!
If you still think George is "problematic" or an assaulter and not just someone who gave a touchy hug without asking, theres no helping you. Yes consent is important but this is NOT an instance of sa and should never have left the realm of private discussion.
Normal people do not ask for consent every time they move their hand during an hour+ of cuddling, thats not how these things work, we need to stop letting chronically online virgins lead the debate on sex and consent.
no sentence should contain the words "yes consent is important, but" all it had to take was a simple question whether it was alright or not, if you're not willing to ask people for consent you probably should be widely considered as a problematic person
@@mudfishycook
@@mudfishy indeed, still, Caiti's feelings although valid, they're making her picture the situation as something bigger than it was. Really the only thing to take away from this is that
1. Understanding consent is something everyone should be working on.
2. Don't label every little thing as SA. Or really any serious and life changing terrible event that causes trauma.
@mudfishy Oh my gosh, should I ask my friends every time I want to hug or tickle them? Some things are spur of the moment and if you're with someone who has been flirting with you and shows no sign of discomfort his behavior was normal. I'm not excusing him not asking because she was still a relative stranger, but you people acting like you need to ask for consent in every single situation are just proving how chronically online you are.
I don’t even like GeorgeNotFound’s content but now I feel compelled to watch his videos out of sympathy for what this guy went through
genuinely believe you did nothing wrong i hope your okay and aren’t hurt by this yourself and if i had the time i would watch your videos to help bring back all the ones you lost because of this but ill subscribe in the meantime and watch when i can. always saw you on random videos or watched your videos when they were suggested stay strong fr and know your not alone too
This is miscommunication and regret, not SA.
The moral of the story, don't start cuddling with someone before asking them if they are comfortable, don't drink underage, don't lie, don't sit there and watch while you feel like you're being abused and, don't apologize for things that aren't your fault
also don't leave your friends behind with a bunch of older grown men (her friends are pieces of work)
@@laylonieandco yeah that seems right
@@laylonieandcoyeah 100%
3/24/24 Caiti made a new statement and admit she didn’t watch this response he made and change her story . Now she’s claiming he touched her chest and not just her waist . This made a lot of people question things and many have said George is not a bad person and will change and that Caiti has valid feelings but that she should have handled this offline . I recommend everyone watch her stream called “Final thoughts” and make your choice from there . But from what everyone is now saying is that this was a big mistake from both sides and that this should have been talked about privately to one another .
I’m only stating this as many don’t have twitter . I highly recommend rewatching every statement from both George and Caiti to understand everything.
Sadly people still still think she's a victim and did nothing wrong, no matter how much proof George has and how much Cati and her friends lie it damaged George's career permanently.
all of this over CUDDLING 😭 help me
Google "GeorgeNotFound being photoshopped in feastables" and go to photos
Very interesting how a literal abuser isn’t getting bashed n hated on for literally abusing MULTIPLE women. But George is getting so much heat for something that should have 100% been private. I 100% full believe it’s because there’s certain people wit certain agendas spending non stop to harass and put this shit way out of proportion n then combined with brain dead people who’s only life goal is to make everyone as miserable as them is EATING this shit up n hating on George unnecessarily.
George the hate you received for this was way too much and I’m glad you have people around you to help you mentally and whatnot. 👍
i mean to be fair, its better that the abuser doesnt get bashed and hated on for all that shit so as to not give the scumbag any more attention or spotlight than hes already gotten, the only ones who people should be paying attention to there are the victims, not the abuser.
Don't translate......,
भवतः हृदयस्य धड़कनं कतिपयेषु घण्टेषु स्थगयिष्यति, अस्य शापस्य मुक्तिं प्राप्तुं एकमात्रं मार्गं मम चैनलस्य सदस्यतां कुर्वन्तु.
@@ville__ your pathetic
I think you need to sue her. This is getting out of hand
no reason to apologize, she's 18, you cuddled for an hour which is enough for you to touch her stomach. she's disgusting, her friends are disgusting. even if she did it for clout, her friends, or if she just regretted flirting with you, allegations like this is crazy.
also, since he was under the impression that it was a good experience, can you imagine how humiliating it must be to get called out and hear that the other person essentially hated it? this could have easily been a text like "hey bro last night was not cool". but no it needs to be aired out in front of millions of people as fodder for the extremist twitter sjws. of course.
This situation has been blown out of proportion. It should have been handled privately.
Honestly I from what I see in the situation is that there was a misunderstanding and still Caitis feelings are valid but they were both drunk at the time and Caiti did something she regreted later. However all of this is not on George
It just sucks since everything is taken to twitter where it blows up into something insane. Stuff like this should be handled privately and not in a way where fans from each side make it worse.
it is also partialy her ´friends´ fault
@@SeraTheStrangeShe's literally wishing for his death by her own admission and life tweets.Wishing for dreams, death.She wanted it to get to this degree
But handling it privately doesn’t get clicks or clout
Why tf does he say he's sorry for her feeling that way. She's clearly trying to trap him in a SA case
btw yall, caiti said on twitter: "I will be away for a week and then i will stream a final statement. so once again you can hear voice and sincerity. and probably my final statement on it all." and its been a lil over a week since then
1 more round of this shi 😭
Final wave type shi
@@DeezNutsssssssss type shiiiiiiiii
This is the dumbest shit I’ve heard in a long time. It’s not George’s fault that she is having regrets. She did not tell him her age or feelings.
No fr like i’m sorry she felt uncomfortable but that is not a george’s fault whatsoever. He isn’t a mind reader. Especially the signs she was showing him. Not every single mutual physical contact needs to be a verbal agreement. Sometimes the signs are just right and things happen which was clearly the case. Any feelings of discomfort that she had after is seriously not his problem and he should not be at fault.
her age was on her socials which he saw
@@0vexntell me you didnt watch the video without telling me you didnt watch yhe video
FRRRRR like it ain’t George who done wrong
@@0vexnhe should the his chat with her where there is no age mentioned.