I like your approach and attitude. If you buy something new like this--almost, but not fully engineered--you need to drive it, enjoy it and HUSH. Or, as you have done, drive and enjoy it--and fiddle around like it's a hobby, and fix it. All of your fixes, especially the brake light are excellent.
Good information for those of us considering a Vanderhall. I hope they address your concerns - especially the reflection in the window at night and the need for a 3rd - very noticeable break light - it could look good and it would increase safety.
Nice job on the 3rd brake light and, as you stated, should be mandatory. When it became required back in the '80s rear-enders dropped significantly. Nice graphics you have although I'd probably go with flat or satin on the hood to minimize glare and match up with the lower panels.
Love what you did with the paint job. Kind of the replica of the P-51 Mustang airplane if I'm not mistaken. Love it! I wish we could have Vanderhall dealerships in Canada. Thanks for sharing this video.
Been looking at the Polaris Slingshot and Vanderhall for a couple of years now. Not sure which one to eventually get. They both have pros and cons. Biggest thing I don't like about the Vanderhall is the width of the cockpit, hood on cheaper models being a pain to not simply open, interior not waterproof, parts and following seem to be limited. The Slingshot seems to have a large following and alot of parts available, but it's made by Polaris and now has a Polaris motor, one wheel drive and dangerous in rain. I'm not a fan of Polaris. Not sure if they fixed the issues with the angle drive. They keep going up in price as well. However I like the look of the Slingshot. I was looking at the Vanderall Blackjack with a couple of upgrades like the bumpshift and cruise control and the slingshot I was looking at the manual R model. Around Feb they drop in price here about 4-5k so they should be comparable in price, but I think I would be getting more for money with the Slingshot and leaning that way. Curious to see the performance differences between the Vanderhall and 2020 Slingshot since the slingshot has a new engine now. Still love the sound of the turbo in the Vanderhall though. Fun fun!
I think the worst thing about the slingshot is it looks like they used all their design on the front and then ran out. The result is a back end that looks like a plastic bathtub. I can't get past how terrible the back end looks on them.
@@oobeedoobenubi I agree! The front end looks fantastic and then goes to nothing as you get towards the rear. The plastic interior doesn't bother me as sooner or later you are going to get caught in the rain just like on a motorcycle and nice that everything is waterproof. The interior in the new 2020 models make a lot more sense as well with cup holders, steering wheel, etc. Hard decision to make! Getting up into the 30k price, I might just say piss on it and get a Miata RF....lol
The slingshot is cheap in the used market. They didn’t get it right until 2018 and you should not pay over $17,000 with the good radio. The 2020 vanderhall has more room in it and other improvements .
@@cashxx stylistically, they're very different. The Slingshot is more sporty, edgier, angular looking, not everyone's cup of tea. The Vanderhall is a more classic roadster looking vehicle with different driving dynamics due to FWD. I recently purchased the 2020 Polaris Slingshot R with the 5 speed manual. To me, the interior feels spacious and has a certain number of creature comforts that make it more enjoyable. Frankly, the SS's overall styling speaks to me. Driving the SS requires finesse to not overwhelm the rear tire, having said that, it boils down to personal preference. Enjoy, the road in either one.
I was expecting some guy whining about stuff he doesn't like about something he just bought, so almost didn't watch this. BUT, I'm glad I did because not only is he NOT a whiny complainer but all of his complaints are very valid and reasonable. I hope the Vanderhall company sees this and has enough common sense to listen to this customer's suggestions for improvements to their product, all (I would modify his complaint about the hood attachments to suggest changing from bolts, of any kind, to quick latch fasteners like one finds on tool chest lids) which seem to be not just good ideas but easily and inexpensively remedied on a production basis.
great video, I plan on buying an edison in the next two years. I am really surprised of the shortcomings you mentioned considering the slingshot has none of the issues for around the same cost. I own a slingshot and love it but I yearn for an electric three wheeler hence why I am getting the edison. Probably going to wait for the premium edison 4 in two years.
Reach out to any of the Vanderhall facebook groups but specifically there is a performance and maintenance group that has detailed instructions on how to do any alignment at home with basic tools. Ito all relatively easy for most mechanically inclined people, even if you've never worked on a car before. Just don't be afraid to get your hands dirty!
GREAT 'TIPS'!! thanks! Yep...Totally 'WISH'...there would be a 'DEALERSHIP' in Canada ( Ontario )...PLEASE!!...Would 'Consider'!! Way Better than a Polaris 'SlingSHOT'!! Cheers!!
@@TexasOatmeal hey how you doing. I traded my Slingshot off Friday and got me a Vanderhall Carmel. This machine is so much better than the slingshot. Your videos were a HUGH part in me getting a Vanderhall. I love it. Thank you.
I'm purchasing a 2022 Carmel after the first of the year and have seen the luggage rack you have on you're Venice. I'm wondering if you could point me in the right direction as to where to purchase one like it for my Carmel.
I sure liked your gauge light cover. Was also wondering about if you were selling them or not. I take delivery of my new Vanderhall (2019) in two weeks and I know I'm going to need one.
There's still 8 bolts holding it in place...I used rivet nuts instead of the cheap clips that come on the frame but they are not likely to work on newer models. Most people have been swapping to cage nuts now. Either way, you still use the same 8 bolts to hold the hood on
I'm thinking about purchasing one but making it my daily driver. Would she break down on me? Yo should do a video on the reliability of the vanderhall?? Also a maintenance video?
Is there a tint or some type of film you could put on the gauges that would eliminate the glare on the windshield? 3M makes an anti glare film and I think there is one called Glarestopper??
Some people are using a computer monitor privacy screen film. It works for cutting glare but also makes it harder to see the gauges during the day...just fyi. I dont know what brand specificially but it is something you will obviously have to cut to fit.
Not really. It's a little wider and has much better suspension geometry. They are very similar and sitting side by side it's hard to notice but they made some good improvements on the 20+ models.
@@mariomacias1146 ah...yeah they would definitely be too different to try to make a 2018 work on that 22. Way too many differences if you're talking about swapping frames.
@@TexasOatmeal I want the try your method. The thing I have to see where to place them coz there is big space in there ! When I put the hood it's all off set!!
There are several people on Facebook making them now. Search for Ross Duvall or Todd Copeland on any one of the Vanderhall Facebook pages. This one was Ross' first one made...but he has since changed them to fit better and cover more area. He also offers them in other styles
I like your approach and attitude. If you buy something new like this--almost, but not fully engineered--you need to drive it, enjoy it and HUSH. Or, as you have done, drive and enjoy it--and fiddle around like it's a hobby, and fix it. All of your fixes, especially the brake light are excellent.
I used to work for vanderhall and the glove box you made is ridiculously close to the one we had to assemble nice!
Good information for those of us considering a Vanderhall. I hope they address your concerns - especially the reflection in the window at night and the need for a 3rd - very noticeable break light - it could look good and it would increase safety.
Nice job on the 3rd brake light and, as you stated, should be mandatory. When it became required back in the '80s rear-enders dropped significantly. Nice graphics you have although I'd probably go with flat or satin on the hood to minimize glare and match up with the lower panels.
Love what you did with the paint job. Kind of the replica of the P-51 Mustang airplane if I'm not mistaken. Love it! I wish we could have Vanderhall dealerships in Canada. Thanks for sharing this video.
It’s a vinyl wrap....I really like it as well.
The brake light issue is a big deal, thanks for pointing that out👍
This is registered as a motorcycle so no third brake light/airbag/doors are required
Of course they are not required, but being seen is indeed a big deal.
@@lightspeedM3W2019 install an orange ATV flag then
Been looking at the Polaris Slingshot and Vanderhall for a couple of years now. Not sure which one to eventually get. They both have pros and cons. Biggest thing I don't like about the Vanderhall is the width of the cockpit, hood on cheaper models being a pain to not simply open, interior not waterproof, parts and following seem to be limited. The Slingshot seems to have a large following and alot of parts available, but it's made by Polaris and now has a Polaris motor, one wheel drive and dangerous in rain. I'm not a fan of Polaris. Not sure if they fixed the issues with the angle drive. They keep going up in price as well. However I like the look of the Slingshot. I was looking at the Vanderall Blackjack with a couple of upgrades like the bumpshift and cruise control and the slingshot I was looking at the manual R model. Around Feb they drop in price here about 4-5k so they should be comparable in price, but I think I would be getting more for money with the Slingshot and leaning that way. Curious to see the performance differences between the Vanderhall and 2020 Slingshot since the slingshot has a new engine now. Still love the sound of the turbo in the Vanderhall though. Fun fun!
I think the worst thing about the slingshot is it looks like they used all their design on the front and then ran out. The result is a back end that looks like a plastic bathtub. I can't get past how terrible the back end looks on them.
@@oobeedoobenubi I agree! The front end looks fantastic and then goes to nothing as you get towards the rear. The plastic interior doesn't bother me as sooner or later you are going to get caught in the rain just like on a motorcycle and nice that everything is waterproof. The interior in the new 2020 models make a lot more sense as well with cup holders, steering wheel, etc. Hard decision to make! Getting up into the 30k price, I might just say piss on it and get a Miata RF....lol
The slingshot is cheap in the used market. They didn’t get it right until 2018 and you should not pay over $17,000 with the good radio. The 2020 vanderhall has more room in it and other improvements .
U would be crazy NOT TO BUY THE VANDERALL .mucy cleaner
@@cashxx stylistically, they're very different. The Slingshot is more sporty, edgier, angular looking, not everyone's cup of tea. The Vanderhall is a more classic roadster looking vehicle with different driving dynamics due to FWD. I recently purchased the 2020 Polaris Slingshot R with the 5 speed manual. To me, the interior feels spacious and has a certain number of creature comforts that make it more enjoyable. Frankly, the SS's overall styling speaks to me. Driving the SS requires finesse to not overwhelm the rear tire, having said that, it boils down to personal preference. Enjoy, the road in either one.
Great mods I'm shopping for a Venice...
I was expecting some guy whining about stuff he doesn't like about something he just bought, so almost didn't watch this. BUT, I'm glad I did because not only is he NOT a whiny complainer but all of his complaints are very valid and reasonable.
I hope the Vanderhall company sees this and has enough common sense to listen to this customer's suggestions for improvements to their product, all (I would modify his complaint about the hood attachments to suggest changing from bolts, of any kind, to quick latch fasteners like one finds on tool chest lids) which seem to be not just good ideas but easily and inexpensively remedied on a production basis.
Thanks for the info. I’ve wanted a Vanderhall ever since I saw one on the road down in Miami. Maybe I will just buy one at some point.
I hate that they don't put reclining seats in them. I did the seat removal you did, now I can store things in the storage compartment
Nice video. I like it a lot. Congrats for your Vanderhall.
I just bought my 23 carmel yesterday in Detroit mi, it's 30 degrees today....
You crack me up. Good stuff. I wonder how many Vanderhalls you have sold from your videos? LOL...
great video, I plan on buying an edison in the next two years. I am really surprised of the shortcomings you mentioned considering the slingshot has none of the issues for around the same cost. I own a slingshot and love it but I yearn for an electric three wheeler hence why I am getting the edison. Probably going to wait for the premium edison 4 in two years.
You’re right the rearview mirrors are important so somebody doesn’t cut you off and roll right over you 😣✌🏻
Great video, I am going to highlight it this week in a segment I call Car Chili, where tell people about videos and channels they should check out.
I would think most maintenance i could do but for like the alignment and things I could not do where would u bring this to get serviced? Thanks
Reach out to any of the Vanderhall facebook groups but specifically there is a performance and maintenance group that has detailed instructions on how to do any alignment at home with basic tools. Ito all relatively easy for most mechanically inclined people, even if you've never worked on a car before. Just don't be afraid to get your hands dirty!
I cannot believe you made covers to disable your built in HUD... 🤣
Please do a revview on the frontier
GREAT 'TIPS'!! thanks! Yep...Totally 'WISH'...there would be a 'DEALERSHIP' in Canada ( Ontario )...PLEASE!!...Would 'Consider'!! Way Better than a Polaris 'SlingSHOT'!! Cheers!!
💥 Tint The Windshield 💥
Hey, if Vanderhall made the dash about 4 inches longer that would fix the glare.
Yep...they have a few things to work on...maybe one day they will get it right! 😆
@@TexasOatmeal hey how you doing. I traded my Slingshot off Friday and got me a Vanderhall Carmel. This machine is so much better than the slingshot. Your videos were a HUGH part in me getting a Vanderhall. I love it. Thank you.
Smart tips!
New NTX owner here. Thanks for the videos! - Where did you get the adjustable side windscreens?
I made them. Ordered the hinges online and hand cut the plexi
@@TexasOatmeal Impressive!
Great detail thankyou...
Where can I buy a third brake light like that?
Paul Riccio on Facebook has one...not exactly like this but his is ready to install with little fuss about making a bracket and such.
I'm purchasing a 2022 Carmel after the first of the year and have seen the luggage rack you have on you're Venice. I'm wondering if you could point me in the right direction as to where to purchase one like it for my Carmel.
I sure liked your gauge light cover. Was also wondering about if you were selling them or not. I take delivery of my new Vanderhall (2019) in two weeks and I know I'm going to need one.
How did you modify your hood replacing the 8 bolts holding the hood in place on your Venice?
There's still 8 bolts holding it in place...I used rivet nuts instead of the cheap clips that come on the frame but they are not likely to work on newer models. Most people have been swapping to cage nuts now. Either way, you still use the same 8 bolts to hold the hood on
I just found out about these and I want a caramel but I live in NYC.
Find a dealer or contact The Roadster Guys or Paul Riccio in florida and they can ship one to you.
I'm thinking about purchasing one but making it my daily driver. Would she break down on me?
Yo should do a video on the reliability of the vanderhall?? Also a maintenance video?
nah never daily a motorcycle its mostly a toy
Non ethanol gas? Tnx cool bike...trike!
Do you know if the tilting seat mod will work for the Carmel?
It should but I'm not sure how much tilt you will get with the roof on.
Is there a tint or some type of film you could put on the gauges that would eliminate the glare on the windshield? 3M makes an anti glare film and I think there is one called Glarestopper??
Some people are using a computer monitor privacy screen film. It works for cutting glare but also makes it harder to see the gauges during the day...just fyi. I dont know what brand specificially but it is something you will obviously have to cut to fit.
I must agree with you
I just got a Venice and noticed the tachometer doesn’t drop to zero when the ignition is off. I noticed yours doesn’t either. Is that normal?
Yep...normal.
Maybe this was asked before but what insurance do you need for it?
Vanderhall should pay you.
Sorry, accidentally sent before I was done. Motorcycle or regular car insurance?
Insurance companies will put this under its own policy. All-State and State Farm put them under autocycle like they actually are.
Question for vanderhall owners
Is a 2018 Venice frame same as a 2022 Venice frame?
Not really. It's a little wider and has much better suspension geometry. They are very similar and sitting side by side it's hard to notice but they made some good improvements on the 20+ models.
Ok thanks
🤦♂️ bought a wrecked 2022 frames bent on it though but ya starting to feel like I’m looking for a horn on a unicorn now
So with all that being said the parts are not interchangeable if I were to get my hands on frame
@@mariomacias1146 ah...yeah they would definitely be too different to try to make a 2018 work on that 22. Way too many differences if you're talking about swapping frames.
Ok ok thank you for the info vanderhall is terrible at getting back for basic info
Man I hated my vanderhall after I took off the hood . Trying to put it back was pain!!!!
I can put it back on in under 2 minutes with rivet nuts installed in place of those clips
@@TexasOatmeal I want the try your method. The thing I have to see where to place them coz there is big space in there ! When I put the hood it's all off set!!
@@alinmatti786 it takes some time to get it all worked out but once you have everything lined up, you'll never have to deal with it again.
@@TexasOatmeal I will definitely switch to rivet nuts.!. Do you know what size is the wheel spline lug nut?
@@alinmatti786 I'm not following ya? Email me at texasoatmeal@gmail.com
Do you know what the rear wheel bolt pattern and off set are?
5x110 bolt pattern and then offsets are 18x8, +29 on the fronts, and 18x10.5, +39 on the rear.
So I want to get one and I saw ur in Texas, is it a motorcycle or car?
Considered a motorcycle but you dont need motorcycle license to drive one
Link for gauge visor?
There are several people on Facebook making them now. Search for Ross Duvall or Todd Copeland on any one of the Vanderhall Facebook pages. This one was Ross' first one made...but he has since changed them to fit better and cover more area. He also offers them in other styles
What's the furthest you've driven on one trip both on one day?
300 miles
Where r you in Texas? Are there Vanderhall groups?
North Texas, Dallas area
We have a North Texas vanderhall owners group on Facebook
how tall are you? whats the clearance?
The clearance? If you're asking how tall you can be to fit in a vanderhall...id say if you're over 6'2" you start to get a little cramped.
@@TexasOatmeal thanx - what about speed bumps?
Nothing to worry about typically. I've only been over 2 that were an issue and they were huge, larger than any regular ones.
The title is ‘ I hate ‘ not little problems. Anyway, its a great little fun car.
why do you refer to it as a "car" ??
its built to standards for a motorcycle
Drives like a car. Don't need a motorcycle license to drive it. It can go either way. 🤷♂️
Get video
Bro..economy of words.. ramble in for 5 min to say 4 words that matter
Thanks for the positive comment. Feel free to not watch next time! Lol. You must be a professor in public speaking. How do I sign up for your classes?
True also cup holder