Judging from the comments here, I am very impressed by the high level of literacy among Nigerian youths. This is not looking good for false teachers and prophets masquerading as disciples of christ in Nigeria. The days of these 419 swindlers are near over. Very soon majority of these disciples of mammon will begin to liquidate their ill gotten assets by going bankrupt. I am impressed. This is information age. 98% of Nigerian pastors have constituted nuisance to the society. Tithes was a customary law to be paid by Israelites to levites. It has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. Christ never observed it and the disciples did not observe it. Any Christian who pays tithe is in violation of the principles of christianity.
What a Powerful discussion for Christians! So educative. After reading some of the TITHE related verses, I have Decided to give my tithes as OFFERINGS and not as a mandatory doctrinal payments. If the doctrine of tithing is valid, it would mean that a christian who doesn't tithe is cursed and that would imply that the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross is useless. Which isn't right.
You will be tremendously blessed for tithing if you only believe that God will keep his word and open up the window s of heaven and POUR out blessings that you cannot contain. If you don't firmly believe that God will bless you tremendously for tithing, even if you tithe, you will not be blessed. The secret is believing firmly that God will keep his word and bless you tremendously for tithing. Send me donations. Send donations to Lan Kwon, 2106 Cobble Creek Dr., Houston, Texas 77073 and make checks out to Lan Kwon. Send monthly donations.
You will be tremendously blessed for tithing if you only believe that God will keep his word and open up the window s of heaven and POUR out blessings that you cannot contain. If you don't firmly believe that God will bless you tremendously for tithing, even if you tithe, you will not be blessed. The secret is believing firmly that God will keep his word and bless you tremendously for tithing. Send me donations. Send donations to Lan Kwon, 2106 Cobble Creek Dr., Houston, Texas 77073 and make checks out to Lan Kwon. Send monthly donations.
We will continually pray and hope that the Holy Spirit our incomparable & greatest teacher to teach His church on this issue of tithing because too much pastors today have started opening churches for only God knows why.
Thank you pastor Harrison.Since the final sacrifice was paid by Jesus Christ on the cross,the law was crucified, the earthly priesthood was crucified, sin and death,the world and it's wickedness was crucified and Jesus said,"it is finished".In place of all the nonsense,He offered us Grace.By a simple acceptance of His Grace,I know that I am a priest just like every believer.Pastors of the world have established another earthly priesthood to benefit their pockets.
Many pastors have been preaching a one sided message on tithe for years without anybody challenging them, but when confronted with the truth they begin to panic, the older Pastor is just beating about the bush replacing offering with tithe that is what I have seen in this video I have been a victim of this scam for many years but not anymore. Oh Lord please come and deliver your innocent children from this extortionist.
The early church didn’t have access to the written word up until (AD 144) all they had was the spoken word, so they were lost in the depths of God’s amazing Love, selling everything in their possession and giving it to the church,Jesus isn’t coming for a church that’s faithful in tithing, He’s coming for a church that’s consumed in His Great Love, giving everything without a blink, that’s what the ministers of the gospel should be preaching.
If I am to open a church today , it will be because of my passion for things of God . Though the 5 fold ministry is a gift but not to open churches when God never tell you to open one. It’s a place of fellowship and sharing each others burden , a pillar and d ground of truth. Giving was one thing Jesus commended and told us the end product as a result of giving , act 20:35, Luke 6:38. Giving to those that are weak... poor etc. Matt 23:23 , He did not condemn tithing but He commend on Justice, mercy and faithfulness are more weightier and more importantly moral and spiritual ... I want to believe that Jesus never condemned tithing because it was He who gave the law to Moses but they are not the weightier matters of things expected like we see in Matt 23:23. He emphasized more on giving and never on tithing , He told the rich man to go give all that he has to the poor Matt 19:21, He said except a corn of wheat falls to the ground , it abide alone , but if it dies , it bears more fruit..Jh 12:24.. give it shall be given back to you paraphrase Lk 6:38 ,it is more blessed to give than to receive Acts 20:35. Why did the lawgiver never emphasize on tithing? I have no answer to this until we all see Him and ask Him when we shall gather at His feet worshipping Him ie, if there will be room for question & answer or if we can even remember to talk bible again rather than to keep worshiping and praising .Honestly, I have not see anywhere in the new testaments where Christians were paying tithes but please, I do not condemn it because our Lord did not also condemn it when He spoke to the Pharisees and scribes in Matt 23:23 . Paul, himself , did not condemn tithing too neither where there a place that I have read he collected tithes but he emphasized on giving and receiving ! I hope I have said all that I know for now and it helps readers too.
Kris I. . To further buttress your point, I would like to add my comment. Gift is not the same thing as tithe and the guy in the middle is not coherent and lacks clear understanding of the scriptures. But as with all issues in life, the question we should be asking is, what is Jesus Christ position with regards to tithe. Aldo, It is incorrect to say that tithing was not mentioned in the new testament. It was use by Jesus himself but in a different context as against the way it's being used today in His church (body of christ) . Jesus rebuke the Phariisees in Mathew 23 vs 23 and Luke 11 vs 42 "Woe unto you Pharisees for ye tithe mint........ Due to their hypocritical and showy in religion that they brought into all details of life which could and would be seen of men. That which is not seen of men did not matter. Theirs was an “an outward religion” dealt with outward appearance - styles, ornaments, rituals, forms, and what the eye could see. They the Pharisees IGNORED judgement, mercy and faith. The above is what is being practice today by many religious leaders hence the rage with regards to tithing is spreading like wild fire and I strongly hope that it will yield the desire result and that the soul/welfare of the Saint in christ will matter more than material acquisition by those whom God have appointed to watch/feed his flocks. Pastors and church leaders, you play a powerful role in shaping attitudes, opinions and behaviours of your followers. Do not jeopardised your responsibility of preaching God's word by compromising the teachings of the bible because of personal gain and making a quota. We can therefore conclude that, since Christ sanctioned tithing then it should be practice. I would like to recommend my channel to you, hope you find the teachings edifying.
Christ sanctioned it to Pharisees who were Jews. He tells them that they pay a tithe of their herbs, which is the Jewish law, but the instructions to the gentiles do not include tithing. Unless you’re a Jew, and you’ve seen a Levite to give 10% of your groceries to, you’re deceiving yourself.
@@christthetruth.oyinkroandr1661 It is only practice if you arr under Judaism. If you are a Christian, tithe does not apply to you but paying taxes to the government of where you live is required.
@@titi9238 @Titi: Allow me to ask you a question. Seeing that we are required to pay taxes to the government, how does the churches meet their financial obligation given that they don't have other means of generating revenue?
@@christthetruth.oyinkroandr1661 through the freewill offerings of their members but definitely not tithe. There are churches practising this principle of true giving and their pastors are well taken care of.
tithes were given yearly NOT weekly. tithes had nothing to do with money. it was livestock and produce of the land[agrarian based] there is a difference between the old testament tithing under the law and and the new testament giving. tithing has to do with the law. giving has to do with the heart. free will giving. we are no longer under the Law, JESUS FULFILLED THE LAW AND TITHING WAS PART OF THE LAW. PERIOD.! 2 Corinthians 9:6 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
Jesus Fulfilled the law doesn't mean we aren't supposed to keep it. FULL-FILLED, means he completed it. As for tithing, it was for the levetical priesthood. So until our savior comes to establish his kingdom and put us into tribes, no pastor has a right to collect tithes according to the law. Only free will offerings.
This Bro Rotimi should go study his bible. How can a priest be translated to mean pastor today? It is unbiblical. We are all priests in the new testament. Read 1 Peter 2:9 Let me correct this anomaly here, every baptized believer is a priest. Every baptized believer is a pastor. If Bro Rotimi claims that only the so-called "pastors" today are priests, then he is saying that Christ is not Our High Priest because Our Lord Jesus Christ descended from the tribe of Judah which was different from the Levites-a tribe that everlasting priesthood was promised. My questions for Bro Rotimi are these: 1. Are you from Israel? 2. Are you from the tribe of Levite? 3. Are you a descendant of Aaron? The only way Bro Rotimi could lay claim to the three identities in the question was because Jesus Christ came and fulfilled the Law that said that ONLY Aaron and his sons will be priest & high priest forever. Thus, Our Lord Jesus Christ, having descended from the loins of Judah became our High priest and thus Bro Rotimi qualified to be "priest" or "pastor". Under the old law, Bro.Rotimi has NO RIGHT to near the temple or tabernacle of Jehovah because he belonged to none of the people in the question. Yes, you heard me right because there is old law which is the law that Christ fulfilled and a new law which is called the law of Christ ( Gal 3: 24-25, Matt 12:28-31). Now, which law then qualify Bro. Rotimi to collect tithes? The law that was fulfilled for him to be called a priest in the first instance or which one again? There is ONLY one house of God and storehouse of God and it was in Jerusalem then and now the house of God is within us-our body. We are God's temple(1 Cor 6:19, Eph 2:19-22) We are priests (1 Peter 9:6, 1 Peter 2:5) We are the body of Christ(1 Cor 12:27) We are body of Christ, & body of Christ is the Church & Christ is the head ( Eph 5:23) Gal 3:24-25 NKJ "24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor." On-premise of Gal 3:24-25, Tithing is a law, yes. Bro. Rotimi, you would definitely agree with me. Yes, it is a law. Have we in the new testament era come to Christ? Let me rephrase the last question, has Christ come? Have we been justified by faith? Bro. Rotimi, if you answer the questions under the above paragraph truthfully, then ONE last question for you is "WHY DO YOU STILL WANT TO BE UNDER "A TUTOR" AFTER CHRIST HAS COME? AFTER WE HAVE BEEN JUSTIFIED BY FAITH? Answer my questions under my comment. I belong to a church that does not pay tithe and there is nothing you mega GO jet flying churches do that we cannot do financially. How? The Lord Jesus Christ is cantering for His body (the Church) Do not be afraid, God is able to supply all your needs. Just go and preach the real gospel and see wonders happen before your eyes. 2 Cor 9:6-8 The Cheerful Giver 6 But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. 7 So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver. 8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work. God bless you as you preach the right gospel in Jesus Christ's name. Amen. N/B: Sorry, I referred to you throughout as Bro. Rotimi, yes, I do not call anybody pastor because it is not a title. Jesus Christ forewarns us about these titles like,---Pastor, General Overseer, Senior Pastor, Assistant pastor, Resident Pastor, Visiting Pastor, Deacon, Bishop, Father, Reverend Father, Holy Father (just imagine that...pope calls himself holy father), Arch Bishop, Arch-Deacon, cachemist, Evangelist, Prophet, Apostle Suleiman, lol...remove the Suleiman, read the scripture below: Matt 23: 5-12 5 But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. 6 They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, 7 greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’ 8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ,[b] and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. 11 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.
Hey 👋🏿:) you did well explaining the issue on tithing which is clearly right..... but about God's servants that none should be called apostle,prophet,evangelist,pastor, teacher and etc, was Peter wrong when he was identified as an apostle of Christ Jesus or Paul who as well identify himself as an apostle of Jesus Christ?.... please help me on this.....
Thank you, Bro. Charles. You see, we all are here to learn. The bible said that iron sharpeneth iron..... Proverbs 27:17 "Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend" but the trend we see in Nigeria Christianity is that brethren UTTERLY refused to be sharpened. I have outlined as follows: Romans 1:1 "Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God " 1 Cor 1:1 "Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother," 2 Cor 1:1 "Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother," Gal 1:1 "Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead)" Eph 1:1 "Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:" Phil 1:1 " Paul and Timothy, bondservants of Jesus Christ, To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi, with the bishops[a] and deacons:" Col 1:1 "Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother," 1 Tim 1:1 "Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, by the commandment of God our Savior and the Lord Jesus Christ, our hope," 1 Tim 1:1 "Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ[a] by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus," Titus 1:1 "Paul, a bondservant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect and the acknowledgment of the truth which accords with godliness," Philemon 1:1 "Paul, a prisoner of Christ Jesus, and Timothy our brother, to Philemon our beloved friend and fellow laborer," James 1:1 "James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad: Greetings." 1 Peter 1:1 "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia" 2 Peter 1:1 "Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:" Jude 1:1 "Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to those who are called, sanctified[a] by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ:" My dear Bro. Charles, if you look closely, you would see how these writers(Paul, Peter, and Jude) addressed themselves as: 1. An Apostles 2. A Bondservant 3. A Prisoner, in the introductory parts of all their epistles. This is likened to a signature to mark the authenticity of their writings as evidenced mostly at the introductory greetings. This can never be extrapolated to justify the use of all these prefixes( Prophet, Pastor, Senior Pastor, General Overseer, Father, Reverend Father, Holy Father, Apostle, Prophtess, Bishop, Elder, Deacon, Monsignor, Arch Bishop, Evangelist, etc) to names of so-called "men of God" today. Ask yourself this question: 1.Why haven't any of them use prefixes like Bondservant or Prisoner to his name as we saw above? (Imagine, Prisoner David Oyedepo instead of "Bishop", Bondservant Suileman instead of "Apostle", Prisoner Enoch Adeboye instead of "Daddy GO", etc 2. Why only Apostle, Bishop, Prophet, Rev. Father, etc? Why? Read the very words of Jesus Christ concerning this, please, pay special attention to verse 7 & 11: Matt 23: 5-12 "5 But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. 6 They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, 7 greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’ 8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ,[b] and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. 11 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted." They preferred "Rabbi, Rabbi", "Bishop, Bishop", "Pope, Pope", "Prophet, Prophet", "Elder, Elder", "Apostle, Apostle", "Father, Father", etc ----from verse 7, I added mine to buttress my points BUT no ONE likes servant or prisoner (see verse 11). Lastly, this write-up is already long but I must conclude by emphasizing that during Christ's Baptism, Transfiguration, etc, The Father spoke from Heaven and told us ...."this is my beloved Son....listen to Him..." As a result of that injunction from The Father, God All Mighty, I always go to the gospels (Matt, Mark, Luke & John) first to read what Jesus Christ said about any topic before considering a second opinion. On this topic, Christ said..."But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. Matt 23:8 God bless you, Bro. Charles! I hope this helps... Cuba Brown ....bondservant of Jesus Christ.
not understanding the guy on the left......the younger guys makes much sense....the older quotes trying to coin words to suit tithes....we are not uneducated
The tithing pastor is correct. The younger one keeps on finding the word "tithe" in New Testament. It is just liek trying to find the word "trinity" in the bible.
PS 147:19-20 "He shows His Word unto Jacob, His statutes and His judgments unto Israel. He has not dealt so with any nation: and as for His judgments, they have not known them. Praise you the LORD." Paul tells us in Romans 2 that the Gentiles who do not have the Law are a law unto themselves doing by nature thing contained in the Law but not the whole Law because morality is basic to all societies written in the heart, not on Tablets of Stone. The Law with its Tithe law was given to the Jews, not the Gentiles and only during the Old Testament era to support a Theocracy run by the Levites and Priests to support them and the poor with food stored in a "Storehouse", which is what the Tithe was. The Gentiles use taxes to run the government and help the poor. HEB 7:12 "For the Priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." Even Jews know not to Tithe because they don't have the Priesthood anymore. They along with us are to give according to a New Testament. 2COR 9:7 "Every man according as he purposes in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loves a cheerful giver. " Not out "of necessity" as was the case under the Law because of, GAL 5:18 "But if you be led of the Spirit, you are not under the Law." To teach otherwise or collect Tithes is fraud/sin. Learn to give as Jesus taught it under the New Covenant, not the Old.
@@123garya The change Paul is saying in Heb. 7:12 is in 2Cor. 9:7, from giving Tithes and Offerings because it is mandatory to giving tithes and offerings in what his heart purposeth.
@@123garya You keep on quoting scriptures while not knowing the topic, you keep on saying the law and it is hard for you to obey. In fact, God's laws are not grievous and this tithing practice is but a pre-law. You cannot justify your logic by that. The bible tells Jesus do not came to destroy the law but to fulfill it, He speaks of salvation. In OT, they do offerings and laws to be saved, that is why there are ORDINANCES and RITUALS (Those were already abolished as we are not under law but under grace). What Jesus do is that He expounded and expanded the law to each and every one. FYI, the bible does not say that tithe is ONLY monetary, as it rejects your cultic interpretation. Tithe cannot save you. We give because He first gave. Tithe is also seen under promise, that is why when you give it, you have blessings as spoken also of Malachi. Why not give God what He deserves, give it now man?
Tithe to church and firmly believe God will keep his word and bless you tremendously for tithing and you will be blessed beyond your wildest dreams for tithing. The secret is believing God completely when he says he will open up the windows of heaven and POUR out blessings that you cannot contain when you tithe. Without believing God completely when he says he will bless you tremendously for tithing, you will not be blessed even if you tithe. Send me donations. Send donations to Lan Kwon, 2106 Cobble Creek Dr., Houston, Texas 77073 and make checks out to Lan Kwon. Send monthly donations.
Love of money is the root of all evil😅ppl r very selective when it comes to that! It seems like its mosaic law that has been kept😅D provision part uus only for em😅stomach religion
Three Opponents by Ronald W Robey Every time a Pastor preaches that God’s commanded tithe is monetary, he enters a debate in which he has three opponents… 1. The word of God 2. The God of the word 3. The Spirit of Truth The word “tithe” in relation to God’s commanded tithe appears only 14 times in 13 verses of the KJV. (Lev. 27:30,32; Num. 18:26; Deut. 12:17; Deut. 14:22,28; 2 Chr. 31:5; Neh. 10:38; Neh. 13:12; Matt. 23:23; Lk. 11:42) The word “tithes” in relation to God’s commanded tithe appears only 23 times in 20 verses of the KJV. (Le 27:31; Nu 18:24,26,28; De 12:6,11; De 26:12; 2Ch 31:12; Ne 10:37,38; Ne 12:44; Ne 13:5; Am 4:4; Mal 3:8,10; Lu 18:12; Heb 7:5,6,8,9) The word “tithes” in relation to a voluntary tithe appears only 1 time in 1 verse in the KJV. (Gen. 14:20) The word “tithing” in relation to God’s commanded tithe appears only 2 times in 1 verse of the KJV. (Deut. 26:12) The phrase “the tenth” in relation to God’s commanded tithe is found only 2 times in 2 verses of the KJV. (Lev. 27:32; Num. 18:21) The phrase “the tenth” in relation to a voluntary tithe is found only 2 times in 2 verses in the KJV. (Gen. 28:22; Heb. 7:4) The phrase “the tenth” in relation to a forced tithe by man is found only 2 times in 2 verses in the KJV. (1 Sam. 8:15,17) The phrase “a tenth” in relation to a voluntary tithe is found only 1 time in 1 verse in the KJV. (Heb 7:2) Of the forty-four (44) references to tithe found in the Bible, only thirty-six (36) speak of God’s commanded tithe. Only fourteen (14) of the thirty-six verses where God’s commanded tithe is seen mention the elements of God’s commanded tithe. Those fourteen (14) verses reveal God’s commanded tithe to be agricultural…not monetary. God’s commanded tithe is a) seed of the land. (Le. 27:30) b) fruit of the tree. (Le. 27:30) c) every tenth animal to pass under the rod. (Le 27:32) d) corn. (De. 12:17) e) wine. (De. 12:17) f) oil. (De. 12:17) g) seed. (De. 14:22) h) corn. (De. 14:23) i) wine. (De.14:23) j) oil. (De.14:23) k) oxen. (De. 14:26) l) sheep. (De. 14:26) m) wine. (De. 14:26) n) strong drink. (De. 14:26) o) oxen. (2 Ch. 31:6) p) sheep. (2 Ch. 31:6) q) tithes of our ground. (Ne. 10:37) r) tithes out of the fields. (Ne. 12:44) s) corn. (Ne. 13:5) t) wine. (Ne. 13:5) u) oil. (Ne. 13:5) v) corn. (Ne. 13:12) w) wine. (Ne. 13:12) x) oil. (Ne. 13:12) y) food. (Mal. 3:10) z) mint. (Matt. 23:23) aa) anise. (Matt. 23:23) ab) cummin. (Matt. 23:23) ac) mint. (Lu. 11:42) ad) rue. (Lu. 11:42) ae) herbs. (Lu. 11:42) Money is never required as tithe in the entire Bible. Given the Scriptures that define the elements of God’s commanded tithe, it is blatantly obvious that Pastors who teach a monetary tithe requirement to their congregations are in direct opposition to the word of God, to the God of the word, and to the Spirit of truth. 2 Corinthians 4:1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; 2 Corinthians 4:2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
@@standingfirminChrist Amen. It's a huge problem in Africa sadly, the obsession with riches has flooded the pulpit and tithing is used as a ruse to con gullible poverty stricken Africans. I certainly look forward to reading it and will definitely share the Kingdom truths. The Lord bless you.
If you tithe and firmly believe that God will keep his word and open up the windows of heaven and POUR out blessings that you cannot contain, then you will be blessed beyond your wildest dreams for tithing. That is the secret. Send me donations. Send donations to Lan Kwon, 2106 Cobble Creek Dr., Houston, Texas 77073 and make checks out to Lan Kwon. Consider sending monthly donations.
Lan Kwon , your a wolf in sheep’s clothing . Why would you risk eternal TORMENT for a dollar that won’t stay with you long. The government has is set up to keep you from saving a lot of money and the reason is so it keeps the currency flowing in society so they don’t have to keep making new bills. You’re ignorant to try to con peoples money and we all are just trying to make it, you brute beast made to be destroyed. Repent and IBEY ACTS 2:38 and watch/follow Pastor Gino Jennings and remove your address
2 Corinthians 6:7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. Tithe is law and bondage keep teaching tithes at the expense of the power of God
This older pastor does no his bible to and ask any Jew the Morden Jewish man do not pay tithe any more. Because the Levithes are no longer serving in the temple. We Christians give offerings which may be 100% 50% 0r 2%. Remember the woman in the bible whom Jesus himself said gave the best gift is he gave the last coin she had.Do you really thing that God who use his mouth to crest the world will also use it to curse the human he created? Common greedy pastors there is a revolution. We all can read now. There is no more condemnation for those of us that are in Christ Jesus. My offerings are now going to the poor. The sick . the homeless. And the widow. Because that's where Jesus is he is going to ask each an everyone of us. When I was homless . sick. poor orphaned etc what did you do? Some us will answer I was busy riding private jets. Building expensive schools. And living in mansion. While my neighbours are crying and hunry. 50% of Nigerians can not afford 3 square meal . The come to church to seek the face of God. And a pastor is preaching that God will curse them if they don't pay tithe. Please pastors preach the good news of grace mercy and repentance and leave money alone.
@@Passiondriveme I think if we all do that in every neighbourhood in Nigeria. It will alleviate a lot of suffering, bring relief and put smiles on people's faces.
+Passiondriveme Why do some people get blessed tremendously for tithing and some don't get blessed from tithing? The secret is that the people who gets blessed beyond their wildest dreams believe completely that God will keep his word and open up the windows of heaven and POUR out blessings that you cannot contain. If you don't believe that God will keep his word and bless you tremendously for tithing, even if you tithe, you won't be blessed. That is the secret. Send me donations. Send donations to Lan Kwon, 2106 Cobble Creek Dr., Houston, Texas 77073 and make checks out to Lan Kwon. Send monthly donations.
What is this man talking about? I think he is confused and may be he is reading from another Bible. Is gift the same thing as tithe? He is making a fool of himself! It is people like him that need to be chased out of the pulpit. If he interprets the Bible this way, I am really sorry for the people in his church.
Kenneth Ukoh: you are very correct the reality is that people in his church or many black churches all over the world cannot challenge their pastor otherwise they will be labelled as rebellious
John 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
God bless you Ayintete. Please pray for Pastor Akinwale. Or should i say Priest Akinwale. Please read what it takes to be a priest in the old Testament if you chose to follow that. Comes across as the word of God is being twisted. Its either theres another bible or people do not fear the Lord or believe he exist. Ignorance is not an excuse on the last day. The people perish for ignorance. They will hear and not understand, look but not see..... Repent.
By interrupting the young pastor they thought they made their point, it only proved the young pastor's point even more...this isn't even a debate, they called the younger pastor to fix words into his lips
For many years Paul had been concerned for the poor Christians in Jerusalem, and he was always doing his best to help them (Acts 11:27-30; Gal 2:10). During his third missionary journey he had been organizing a collection of money and goods among the Gentile churches to take to Jerusalem. He hoped that as the Jerusalem Christians saw the loving concern that the Gentile churches had for them, they would feel a greater sense of unity and fellowship with their Gentile brothers in other countries ( Acts 24:17; Rom 15:25-27 ). (Paul talks about this collection more fully in 2 Cor 8:1-9:15.) The Corinthians were participating in this collection and had written to Paul about it. In response Paul advises them to put their offerings into the fund each Sunday, so that the money will be ready when he visits Corinth. The amount people give will depend on the amount they earn (16:1-2). The church should also choose representatives to take the money to Jerusalem, and when Paul comes to Corinth he will write letters to introduce these men to the Jerusalem church. In fact, he might even go with them (3-4).
IT WAS NOT ONLY TITHING THAT WAS ABOLISHED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, BUT ALSO OFFERINGS....THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS LOVE OFFERINGS TO YOUR PASTORS OR TO YOUR BROTHERS OR SISTERS IN THE LORD..... WHEN THE BIBLE SPEAKS OF OFFERINGS IT ONLY MEANS OFFERING TO GOD.... IN THE CHURCH AGE GOD REQUIRES GIVING TO YOUR POOR BROTHERS/SISTERS IN THE LORD INSTEAD OF GIVING TO THE PASTOR...... WHEN THE PASTOR IS RICH, HE MUST BE THE ONE TO GIVE INSTEAD OF RECEIVING TITHES and OFFERINGS FROM THE POOR CHRISTIAN.... 1 CORINTHIANS 9:18 (KJV) ''What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.''
My worst moment is when I say something truthful and my opponent keep laughing. Laughing over his own stupidity. The older pastor knows the truth but the spirit of mammom wouldn't let them
You see the truth is bitter but is the truth You see how this man is trying his best to defend what he knows that is not right just because of his selfish interest, if the Bible says we are all priest then who is to give who?
1. tithing was NEVER money... it was FOOD (Lev.27:26, 30-33) (Deut. 14:22-23) (Num. 12:44-45) (Num. 13:5, 9, 12) 2. it was every year, every 3 yrs or every 7 (Amos 4:4 “every 3 years) (Neh. 10:35 “year by year”) (Deut. 14:22 “year by year”) (Deut.26:12 “every 3 years”) who changed Gods word to every Sunday? 3. tithing was of the law (Lev. 27) to the children of Israel 4.the law was satisfied (Gal 3) 5. you arent cursed if you dont tithe... Mal 3.. God is talking to the Levite priest 6. you ARE cursed if you DO tithe... becuz you are KEEPING the law... (Gal 3) 7. when Abraham tithed, God didnt command him to do it... (cant use that) 8. the church was NEVER the storehouse (2 Chron. 31:1-14) 9. the Levite priest are the ones to bring the tithe to the storehouse (Num. 18:25-32) and (Neh. 10:38) 10. who were the tithe for?? read (Num. 18:21-24) (Deut. 10:9) (Deut. 18:1) (Josh.13:33) (Neh.10:38) (Deut. 14:28-29) (Deut. 26:12-14) (2 chron. 31:4) 11. Jesus even recognize the tithe as food and it was LAW.. (Matt. 23:23) 12. tithing and giving are totally different... and we should give... 13. last thing....Matt. 22:15-22 Jesus said give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and give to God what is God’s….in the context… Jesus asked who’s “IMAGE” is on the coin???? They said “Caesar…. “ So in context… the money belongs to Caesar… who’s “IMAGE” is God on??? Let’s go to Genesis 1:26 (Let US make man in OUR own IMAGE) so that means we belong to God… God wants 100% of us… NOT 10% …… we are also heirs and joint heirs with Christ….Rom. 8:17….. everything that we OWN… HE OWNS.. and everything the He owns… we own… there is NO 90/10……… so when the church (NOT ALL CHURCHES) tells us NOT to pay our bills because we MUST give to God 1st [even if we’re struggling] that is wrong… for ex…. If your mortgage is due and the bank is Wells Fargo and when you got paid, all you had is enough for the mortgage…. If you give God what belongs to wells Fargo (Caesar)… you’re out of order…....also, i know that ppl who do tithe claim that "it works" but check out this analogy.............A shirt that is put on backwards still does what its designed to do. it will cover you! BUT,.... something about the fit WILL be uncomfortable. its not until the shirt is put on properly that one can receive the full comfort of the design. Same applies with the Word of God. we can still get some of the principles to kinda work for us... but it ONLY when we Use it properly... we can get the best results! AND BE FREE....
The older man knew quite well the above tithes catastrophe have no foundation in Christ.Malachi 3:10 used window as the source of blessing. But in Christ the Bible used door as the source of blessing through Jesus who is the door.no matter how many times the older man will twist it the truth still stands. Tithes is not worth practising
Bc the persuasion of the person who doesn't have a point has been supreme in the churches for so long. This is how most ppl are blinded to the truth bc they learn towards charm and manipulation so easily.
Because they want to manipulate, Jesus didn't mention tithe, some of then would mention Mathew 23:23, read it carefully, jusus didn't mention tithe there.
The man defending tithing is a criminal, a 419...He is not even sure of what he saying and yet he is talking as if he knows. I wish I can take this thief on.
What kind of debate is this where only one is allowed to speak..that pastor Don't even know what he's saying, just quoting scriptures giving his own lame interpretation. Just the same way the other one said new testameny came before old,,,hmmm
The old man is talking rubbish. Thanks to the young nan keep defending the integrity of the gospel. We have to be very intensional in the mandate of making Christ known to our generation, other wise we will betray the next generation, If False teaching continues the next generation will never know who God is at all
Those days, majority of them were MEN OF GOD, but these days majority of them are now GOD OF MEN (The opposite). Those days, majority of believers believed in the WORD OF GOD than they do for the MEN OF GOD but these days, majority of believers believed in the MEN OF GOD than the WORD OF GOD thereby making them the GOD OF MEN (I mean their God). These days, majority of believers patronizes the materials of the GOD OF MEN who were once THE MEN OF GOD than they do for the Bible and the reading of it. This TITHE REVOLUTION, if it’s the WILL OF GOD, it must STAND and SURELY COME TO PASS. It’s already having effect on some GOD OF MEN. This REVOLUTION whether NEGATIVE or POSITIVE, will SURE AFFECT their ACCOUNT. Newly interested GOD OF MEN will WITHDRAW while the old will CHANGE PLANS. Let’s wait, watch and see the outcome. It’s a matter of TIME.
The first question that comes to mind is "If tithing is so important and a prerequisite for God's blessings, why didn't Jesus Christ ever give any instruction(s) about it"?, yet HE said that HE came to fulfill the laws given by GOD His Father who instructed giving of 'tithe', are we saying Jesus forgot about it? yet HE spoke severally about giving. Care has to be taken not to equate gift/giving to tithe as is being done here now, and is common place in the churches. I personally believe in giving as a life principle, not out of compulsion or under constraints, whether a 10% or a 60%, what matters is giving as you have purposed and doing it cheerfully, and not necessarily to a church too. Moreover, going through the regular Genesis 14 account alluding to the pre-law idea of tithing, have you ever considered that 1. what Abraham gave was not from his increase but the spoil of a battle he just won, which from research was a custom at that time? 2. how many times after this account did he give such 10% again? 3. he gave the complete 100% of the spoil, 10% to Melchizedek and the rest 90% to the king of Sodom who originally had the goods before they were carted away by the enemy kings that Abraham defeated? 4. perhaps, Melchizedek got the 10% because he first offered bread and wine to Abraham and the men who fought for Abraham otherwise Abraham would have given the 100% to the king of Sodom? 4. Abraham vowed not to keep anything from the spoil so that it wont be said that he got blessed through it but rather trust in God for the blessings promised him? 5. Not even Isaac, the first generation and the son of promise repeated what his father did? 6. Jacob, the second generation son only mentioned tithe as a vow for a request placed before God? If I give 10% you call it tithe, what do you call it when I give 20% or 30% or even 90%? Every Christian should learn to give freely to God who is the greatest giver, as they have purposed and leave the tussle over whether we should pay tithe or not, except we are still under the law? One principle that will not fail is sowing and reaping, choose your farmland wisely.
Olaleye Olalekan Oladipo . Jesus Christ did mention it but it is not a prerequisite for God's blessing. Gift is not the same thing as tithe and the guy in the middle is not coherent and lacks clear understanding of the scriptures. But as with all issues in life, the question we should be asking is, what is Jesus Christ position with regards to tithe. Also, It is incorrect to say that tithing was not mentioned in the new testament. It was use by Jesus himself but in a different context as against the way it's being used today in His church (body of christ) . Jesus rebuke the Phariisees in Mathew 23 vs 23 and Luke 11 vs 42 "Woe unto you Pharisees for ye tithe mint........ Due to their hypocritical and showy in religion that they brought into all details of life which could and would be seen of men. That which is not seen of men did not matter. Theirs was an “an outward religion” dealt with outward appearance - styles, ornaments, rituals, forms, and what the eye could see. They the Pharisees IGNORED judgement, mercy and faith. The above is what is being practice today by many religious leaders hence the rage with regards to tithing is spreading like wild fire and I strongly hope that it will yield the desire result and that the soul/welfare of the Saint in christ will matter more than material acquisition by those whom God have appointed to watch/feed his flocks. Pastors and church leaders, you play a powerful role in shaping attitudes, opinions and behaviours of your followers. Do not jeopardised your responsibility of preaching God's word by compromising the teachings of the bible because of personal gain and making a quota. We can therefore conclude that, since Christ sanctioned tithing then it should be practice. I would like to recommend my channel to you, hope you find the teachings edifying.
PREVIC TV I didn't say 'Jesus Christ did not mention' it I said HE didn't pass on any instructions to give/pay tithe, HE talked about giving severally tho, which HE practiced Himself, and that is what I do uphold also.
step 1 Matthew 6:33 King James Version (KJV) 33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. step2 Luke 17:21 King James Version (KJV) 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. step3 meditation Matthew 6:22-23 King James Version (KJV) 22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. 23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! step 4 meditation you teach meditation as evil Luke 11:52 King James Version (KJV) 52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered. all spoken by Jesus
As with all issues in life, the question we should be asking is, what is Jesus Christ position with regards to tithe. It is incorrect to say that tithing was not mentioned in the new testament. It was use by Jesus himself but in a different context as against the way it's being used today in His church (body of christ) . Jesus rebuke the Phariisees in Mathew 23 vs 23 and Luke 11 vs 42 "Woe unto you Pharisees for ye tithe mint........ Due to their hypocritical and showy in religion that they brought into all details of life which could and would be seen of men. That which is not seen of men did not matter. Theirs was an “an outward religion” dealt with outward appearance - styles, ornaments, rituals, forms, and what the eye could see. They the Pharisees IGNORED judgement, mercy and faith. The above is what is being practice today by many religious leaders hence the rage with regards to tithing is spreading like wild fire and I strongly hope that it will yield the desire result and that the soul/welfare of the Saint in christ will matter more than material acquisition by those whom God have appointed to watch/feed his flocks. Pastors and church leaders, you play a powerful role in shaping attitudes, opinions and behaviours of your followers. Do not jeopardised your responsibility of preaching God's word by compromising the teachings of the bible because of personal gain and making a quota. We can therefore conclude that, since Christ sanctioned tithing then it should be practice. I would like to recommend my channel to you, hope you find the teachings edifying.
But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means. 1 Corinthians 2:14
This commentator is very annoying. You cannot be the moderator and same time be the debater. And offering , gift whatever you call it is purely optional. And not a requirement. I can assure you God will rather you take homeless kids in and feed them and educate them rather than give the money to a bloated pastor.
Pastor, u have no answer. Gift is not tithing and tithing is not gift. Remember the collecting was to be distributed to the needy. Pastor, u have failed. Go home and start reading the Bible. There no mention of paying tithe.
I was taught to Tithe and was made to feel afraid that I would be cursed if I didn't. The Tithes was given from the crops and other forms of farming and if it was too much to carry, then it was to be in the form of money. Now that I am wiser and older in the Word of God I have grater understanding in the Word of God in the fact that he as never forced me to pay Tithes, that he wants me to give my freewill offering. Our offering is not only money but includes our worship and how much time we spend with him. It is also important to give to the poor and as The Lord instructs us in our personal walk with him. The following link to look up is a teaching that proves that we are no longer under the law and don't have to give Tithes: ruclips.net/video/2qOTnTWRDfw/видео.html
moderator please you are bias and talked too much. any reason why you cut pst Harry short. pst Harry was not allowed to talk. Pst Harry, dont come for part 2 if they wont allow you talk.
WILL A MAN ROB GOD? This is one of the scriptures which have been used by false preachers to threaten / rob congregants of their money abusing scriptures. Firstly, you must understand that the bible is a book of parables and proverbs/ written in a hidden language (Matthew 13:34-35, John 16:25, Psalms 78:2). When the bible says ‘Can a man rob God?’ it’s not literal because literally robbing means the one robbed is weaker/ vulnerable/ defenseless WHILST the Robber is stronger/ manipulative/ well-armed. If we take it literally it means God is weak. Is God defenseless from mere mortals (men)? God Forbid! He is the Almighty God, The Creator even of the Devil. So without controversy we ought to know or understand in what manner does men ‘rob’ God? Malachi 3:8-12 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. Robbery definition: Formal definition: the action of taking property unlawfully from a person or place by force or threat of force. Informal definition: unashamed swindling or overcharging. The key word is PROPERTY, because the force, the threat, the swindling or overcharging happens in order to take the PROPERTY from its owner. We must remember scriptures like Isaiah 55:8, Numbers 23:19 and Luke 15:16 which reminds and warn us that God and Men are very much different. According to man robbery is an act of using force or threat to take from a weaker person BUT God being Almighty, All Powerful He is introducing His own definition of robbery obviously deviant from man’s definition where the weaker one ‘robs’ the Almighty. Let us understand also that for you to be robbed you must have the PROPERTY. What then is God’s Property/ Asset? God has only ONE PROPERTY; His ONLY Begotten Son / The Word (John 1:18, John 3:16, Romans 8:29, John 20:17, Hebrews 2:11). So Malachi, as one of the prophets, he was not just telling Israel to obey the Law of Moses (Which was a shadow of the good things Hebrews 10:1, Colossians 2:17). But the law was a shadow, so for Israel to pay tithes and offerings it was supposed to be followed as per commandment/ pattern so that when the GOOD THINGS/ which is Christ come we can relate well from the pattern. Let me repeat this: In Malachi God was reminding the children of Israel after the Babylonian captivity that you are no longer paying tithes and offerings WHICH MEANS you are distorting the PATTERN. Distorting the pattern (Israel not paying tithes and offering) is robbery! I will explain why? God has One Thing, Christ and Christ alone. So All the prophets wrote about Christ (Luke 24:35-27/44, John 5:45, Acts 3:18, Acts 26:22-, Romans 1:1-4). That why Paul wrote in 1 Timothy 1:8 that the law is good that is if we know what the law teaches about, the subject matter of the law. Christ is the TITHE. TITHE is 1/10; 10%, the number ten (10) represents the Old Testament order because the ten (10) commandments are the face of the Law of Moses. So the message of Tithe was "I gave you the Old Testament and from thence I must get back Christ''. If you read Deuteronomy 14:22-, Leviticus 27:30 tithe was eaten by those who would have paid it. Why? Because when we are listening to the 'Christo-centric' Gospel according to 2 Corinthians 3:18, we are converted to be like the image/ Christ which we should see from the Scriptures. So where are people robbing God? God has His Only Son, Christ. He wrote the bible to talk about His Son. He gave the Law of Moses and the Prophets (Old Testament) to write about Christ. And what are the false Teachers and Prophets of our days doing? Instead of teaching Christ from the law of Tithes and Offerings they are collecting tithes, that’s robbing God? Scriptures where God is expecting to get back Christ like Genesis 2:24 they are wedding using them, some starting companies and buying stands using scriptures. This is robbery! But Apostle Paul paid tithe by explaining that Genesis 2:24 talks about Christ from Ephesians 5:30-32. This is proper tithe-paying in the New Testament...... Coming out with Christ from the Old Testament and New Testament Scriptures. But the Most interesting thing is Malachi did not just talk about tithe but Offering but the hungry pastors they raise their emotions on tithes but rarely mention anything about offering in connection with 'robbing' God. But God said ‘...In tithes and offerings’ and not just TITHE. WHY TITHE? The answer is hunger, their god is their belly (Philippians 3:19). But I have touched on tithe and now as I conclude I will talk about offerings. All the offerings that were required by the Law of Moses, they were supposed to be paid during the Old Testament era according to the pattern so that when Christ / The Good Things come we can also refer and understand that the burnt offerings and the sin offerings were just but a shadow of Christ. So Suppose Israel failed to pay these, how were we going to learn about Christ from them? This was robbery? And now in our days people are robbing / swindling Christ and they put where Christ should be, marriages, weddings, cars, houses, stands, business etc. Hebrews 10:6-10, When Christ came in the flesh (Galatians 4:4), He wanted to be the fulfillment of the burnt and sin offering of the Old Testament. You must also understand that the whole order of the Old Testament failed to give people righteousness including the tithes and all the offerings (Romans 3:19-21, Galatians 2:16, Galatians 3:11, Hebrews 7:11….) So we who believe in the offering of the body of Christ and on the Cross we are not robbing God in offering. Why? Because we acknowledge the death of the Mosaic Law on the Cross (Colossians 2:13-17, Ephesians 2:14-16, Hebrews 8:13…) is the offering. So can a man rob God? The answer is yes! The second question is what does God have? The answer is ONLY Begotten Son! The third question is how does the robbery happen? The answer is by not coming out with Christ from the scriptures or replacing Christ by the man of god or yourself! God bless you---- If you believe this Gospel.
A new testament Christian is not required to tithe, but he is encouraged to give according to how God prospers him. That giving is a matter of the heart and love towards God and man. Nobody except the Levites that can take tithes.
The relevance of Bible passages quoted by the man on the left is giving which is very important to the Christian. We receive from God and we must give back to God (for His work) and give to the needy and give to relieve poverty. Tithes and offerings and gifts comes into this frame.
Tithing does not apply to the New Testament believers, it was given only to the people of Israel and not to other nations was God given the command to give tithes to God, and to give tithes allowed exclusively to the descendants of Levi and did not give tithes to anyone else after them, tithing was needed to maintain the temple of the ministry in Jerusalem, and it was relevant until the atoning sacrifice of Jesus, since there were still sacrifices for sins, so the ministry of the Levites consisted in carrying the sin of the people, after the completed robot s Jesus on the cross, entered into force on another covenant other priests and other statutes and no need to perform the dilapidated that should be left in the past.
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The only way to get blessed extremely from tithing is to believe God completely when he says he will open up the windows of heaven and POUR out blessings that you cannot contain when you tithe. Without believing God completely that He will bless you tremendously for tithing, you will not be blessed even if you tithe. That is the secret. Send me donations. Send donations to Lan Kwon, 2106 Cobble Creek Dr., Houston, Texas 77073 and make checks out to Lan Kwon. Consider sending me monthly donations.
The Church has failed in preaching and teaching the Love of God that propels His people to give, this is the reason these ministers had to default to manipulating God’s people in order to prove a point that they’re doing the work. Come to think of it in acts they sold everything and gave because they were consumed in God’s love preached by the Apostles, isn’t that far better than doing everything just to get a tenth?
I can see how the elder pastor defending tithe is struggling. Yeah, he is good but t's hard to defend heresies. The young pastor against tithing is absolutely correct. He made my day!
the man supporting tithing lacks background. Pls let him read Heb. 7 from verse 18 through the end. Tithe was giving under the law and if there is a change of the law the bible says there must be a change. The bible says that tithing made nothing perfect and profited nothing
Offering is different from tithes, the young pastor is on point. We base our arguments on facts. Your pastor God bless giving is not compulsory accounting to the book of 1 Corinthians
Let's not confuse ..... No one is denying giving of Gift, Offering, Collections and Ministry Fund, We are only saying forcing people out of fear to give Tithes is just gimmick.....
the million dollar question is why was Jesus silent about tithe but told his disciples to do everything he taught them and in the New Testament there is no clear mentioning of church members giving tithes.
1. The Bible tells us that God commanded that only plants and animals be given for tithing, 2. In the Bible we can read that God commanded that if a person had money when they were at the place to tithe that they were to take the money and buy what their soul longeth to eat and bring those edible things only for tithing and not to give money for tithing, 3. To give money for tithing is actually the breaking of God's laws and commandments that were given in the Bible as mentioned beforehand, 4. To continue to follow the old laws of the Bible then, in the new testament it tells us that you then remain under the old curse and are not under the Grace of Jesus, 5. In Hebrews 7 the Bible tells us that the old laws were weak and unprofitable for us and that the laws were disannulled and the priesthood was changed through Jesus because the priests had to offer up sacrifices daily but Jesus only needed to offer himself up only once for us, 6. If ministers tell people we are still under the old laws of giving, then why do they not preach all the laws that were commanded for giving such as redeeming your property, and paying money for your sin offering, and paying a certain amount of money every year according to your age and gender, etc. ? 7. The Bible tells us we are to give Free Will offerings now, 8. The word tithe means basically 10% of something, but in the Bible tithing was done regarding several different things or different years so the giving of tithes was much more then 10% of the things, 9. Tithing in the Bible was only done a few certain times of the year, not every week !, 10. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek from the spoils of war and not from any wages earned, further if you read elsewhere in the Bible we can read that Abraham had received from a King the amount of 1000 pieces of silver and animals and land, but if you read the Bible there is no where in the Bible that states Abraham tithed anything from the 1000 pieces of silver or animals or land that he received. My question is then why would anyone want to try to give money for tithing since it appears that this is actually disobeying God's commandments written in the Bible, and you would remain under the old curses and not under Grace as written in the Bible, and it appears you would be telling God that he does not have the authority to disannull his laws, and it appears you would be denying Jesus's priesthood and sacrifice of himself for us as the ultimate sacrifice only needed once and once only, so why would anyone what to do this ? Yes, give offerings to support your church, give 10% or 1%, or 50% or whatever, but the money is a Free Will offering and not a tithe.
THEY ARE LYING TO YOU, "PAY YOUR TITHES" I pay my Tithes and Offerings with money and bring them to the House of God which is the Church. Why? Because of Malachi 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. Because of Ecclesiastes 10:19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things. Because of 1 Timothy 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. By the grace of God I have provided you with BOOK, CHAPTER AND VERSE, So you can go and put your own finger on what I have provided you as an answer of the reason of the hope that is within me just like the scriptures say. But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: 1 Peter 3:15 Now ask these TITHE ROBBERS that tell you: "NOT TO PAY TITHES" "TITHES IS NOT FOR THE NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH" and one TITHE ROBBER made a video saying, "JESUS IS TELLING YOU TO STOP PAYING TITHES" Let them provide YOU just like the HOLY GHOST allowed me to provide to YOU in a clear and intelligible order with the HOLY SCRIPTURES telling us NOT TO PAY TITHES AND OFFERINGS. If they preaching it and teaching it then it's got to be in the BIBLE. The Holy Ghost used me to put it for YOU clearly and concisely: I PAY MY TITHES AND OFFERINGS (MALACHI 3:10) WITH MONEY (ECCLESIATES 10:19) AND BRING THEM TO THE HOUSE OF GOD WHICH IS THE CHURCH (1 TIMOTHY 3:15) That wasn't hard, and YOU can go right to the scriptures and look it up and see that it is TRUTH FROM THE BIBLE. THEY WILL TELL YOU NOT TO PAY TITHES THEY WILL TELL YOU TITHES WAS STOPPED AND ABOLISHED. BUT THEY CAN'T GO TO A SINGLE SCRIPTURE, VERSE OR PASSAGE THAT SAYS THAT. So you are just supposed to TRUST THEM. WITHOUT SCRIPTURE FOR WHAT THEY ARE TELLING YOU. HOW DO YOU THINK JESUS CHRIST ON THE JUDGMENT SEAT IS GOING TO JUDGE YOU? BY WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOKS ! And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Revelation 20:12 The question is: Why? Because they are sinning against God. Whosoever commits sin is of the Devil !!! He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8 They want you to rob God, be a Thief and GO TO HELL ! Don't believe them, They work for Satan. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. 2 Corinthians 11:14, 15 OBEY JESUS CHRIST. JESUS CHRIST ONLY TALKED ABOUT TITHES IN THE BIBLE ONE TIME RECORDED IN MATTHEW 23:23 AND LUKE 11:42 DO YOU KNOW WHAT JESUS CHRIST SAID ABOUT TITHES? YOU OUGHT TO PAY THEM. (NOBODY CAN BEAT JESUS CHRIST SAYING NOTHING). And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Hebrews 5:9 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Matthew 23:23
Abeg tithe is a good thing let us continue to pay it to God. This gifts and offering that people are doing anyhow can not be enough to run a church where we all go and expect much from. Am sure even that young pastor will not be effective without much fund. Stop deceiving ur self. If we cancelled tithe and giving is preached am sure many of us will give more than tithes
My question is to this pastor is that ,if tithing is the same as offering and gifts,why is it that whilst bringing our tithes they ask us to add gifts and offering?
The older pastor seem to be trying to input a word which is not in a bible passage, what would it have cost paul to call gifts tithe.In church we give tithe, offering,(pastor, welfare, first fruits.).Was apostle paul's thought when he was speaking or is he assuming things to back up his pro tithe.
2 Corinthians 9:7 New International Version (NIV) 7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
Contribution and collections are by no means tithe. In all the scriptures referred, why didn’t Paul mention tithe? This man in blue tie should be feared and sent out of the studio.
what were the occupations of Israelites in the old testament? where there white collars jobs that involves the earning of monthly salary as we have today? I have not yet read any bible scripture that says there were white collars jobs (please let me know if you are one). the Bible talked about tithing of the fruit of the ground and of animals becsuse agricultural produce and animal husbandry were the the only occupations in the old testament time ( please I only know in part...1 cor 13:9). Assuming some of the tribes of Israel were doing white collars jobs while others were into farming and rearing of animals, would tithe payment be limited to the fruit of the ground and of animals only? or the tribe's with white collars jobs would have done the same? (wisdom is profitable to direct). this is My very opinion: where ever you are working, whether as a banker, teacher, or in oil and gas industry that is your farm land and your salary is your farm produce. But come to think about it. if I pay tithe and at the end of my life when I meet Jesus only to be told I was not suppose to have paid tithe bcos am a new testament believer, would I be punished for obeying the scripture? But if you don't pay tithe now and latter you discover from Jesus that tithe payment was meant for both old and new testament believer, can you ask for forgiveness and you think you will be forgiven? Ignorance will not be excuse in the day of God's judgemen bcos the days of ignorance God has over looked. therefore seek knowledge while you are still alive.
One Elder says that "Anyone who do not pay tithe shall not make heaven" .... DO YOU BUY THAT? ... I don't ...Because that's not the the Gospel of Christ.
Very sad to see how desperate these pro tithe pastors get when there isn't any biblical reference to support their argument. 😟
Judging from the comments here, I am very impressed by the high level of literacy among Nigerian youths. This is not looking good for false teachers and prophets masquerading as disciples of christ in Nigeria. The days of these 419 swindlers are near over. Very soon majority of these disciples of mammon will begin to liquidate their ill gotten assets by going bankrupt. I am impressed. This is information age. 98% of Nigerian pastors have constituted nuisance to the society. Tithes was a customary law to be paid by Israelites to levites. It has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. Christ never observed it and the disciples did not observe it. Any Christian who pays tithe is in violation of the principles of christianity.
The Christian is a spiritual Israelites, take note please!
What a Powerful discussion for Christians! So educative.
After reading some of the TITHE related verses, I have Decided to give my tithes as OFFERINGS and not as a mandatory doctrinal payments.
If the doctrine of tithing is valid, it would mean that a christian who doesn't tithe is cursed and that would imply that the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross is useless. Which isn't right.
SLEEK very well said
You should only give offerings not tithe. You can give any amount which you purposed in your heart. That is what God honours.
please see youtube msg by pastor Chris Ojigbani paying tithe is sin
You will be tremendously blessed for tithing if you only believe that God will keep his word and open up the window s of heaven and POUR out blessings that you cannot contain. If you don't firmly believe that God will bless you tremendously for tithing, even if you tithe, you will not be blessed. The secret is believing firmly that God will keep his word and bless you tremendously for tithing. Send me donations. Send donations to Lan Kwon, 2106 Cobble Creek Dr., Houston, Texas 77073 and make checks out to Lan Kwon. Send monthly donations.
You will be tremendously blessed for tithing if you only believe that God will keep his word and open up the window s of heaven and POUR out blessings that you cannot contain. If you don't firmly believe that God will bless you tremendously for tithing, even if you tithe, you will not be blessed. The secret is believing firmly that God will keep his word and bless you tremendously for tithing. Send me donations. Send donations to Lan Kwon, 2106 Cobble Creek Dr., Houston, Texas 77073 and make checks out to Lan Kwon. Send monthly donations.
But what Paul referred to was not tithes. So all that Paul was referring to are gifts for the generation of the church of Philippine.
Don't mind him, dey would use your money to boast online, buy luxurious and the church members are hungry.
I love the young pastor. He knows what he is saying.
Son of DSA.
Don't think so. It's just plain scripture.
We will continually pray and hope that the Holy Spirit our incomparable & greatest teacher to teach His church on this issue of tithing because too much pastors today have started opening churches for only God knows why.
Tithing is very important, it is in the bilble with promises.
Thank you pastor Harrison.Since the final sacrifice was paid by Jesus Christ on the cross,the law was crucified, the earthly priesthood was crucified, sin and death,the world and it's wickedness was crucified and Jesus said,"it is finished".In place of all the nonsense,He offered us Grace.By a simple acceptance of His Grace,I know that I am a priest just like every believer.Pastors of the world have established another earthly priesthood to benefit their pockets.
Many pastors have been preaching a one sided message on tithe for years without anybody challenging them, but when confronted with the truth they begin to panic, the older Pastor is just beating about the bush replacing offering with tithe that is what I have seen in this video I have been a victim of this scam for many years but not anymore. Oh Lord please come and deliver your innocent children from this extortionist.
You nailed it
The early church didn’t have access to the written word up until (AD 144) all they had was the spoken word, so they were lost in the depths of God’s amazing Love, selling everything in their possession and giving it to the church,Jesus isn’t coming for a church that’s faithful in tithing, He’s coming for a church that’s consumed in His Great Love, giving everything without a blink, that’s what the ministers of the gospel should be preaching.
🙏🏾 Amen
If I am to open a church today , it will be because of my passion for things of God . Though the 5 fold ministry is a gift but not to open churches when God never tell you to open one. It’s a place of fellowship and sharing each others burden , a pillar and d ground of truth. Giving was one thing Jesus commended and told us the end product as a result of giving , act 20:35, Luke 6:38. Giving to those that are weak... poor etc. Matt 23:23 , He did not condemn tithing but He commend on Justice, mercy and faithfulness are more weightier and more importantly moral and spiritual ... I want to believe that Jesus never condemned tithing because it was He who gave the law to Moses but they are not the weightier matters of things expected like we see in Matt 23:23. He emphasized more on giving and never on tithing , He told the rich man to go give all that he has to the poor Matt 19:21, He said except a corn of wheat falls to the ground , it abide alone , but if it dies , it bears more fruit..Jh 12:24.. give it shall be given back to you paraphrase Lk 6:38 ,it is more blessed to give than to receive Acts 20:35. Why did the lawgiver never emphasize on tithing? I have no answer to this until we all see Him and ask Him when we shall gather at His feet worshipping Him ie, if there will be room for question & answer or if we can even remember to talk bible again rather than to keep worshiping and praising .Honestly, I have not see anywhere in the new testaments where Christians were paying tithes but please, I do not condemn it because our Lord did not also condemn it when He spoke to the Pharisees and scribes in Matt 23:23 . Paul, himself , did not condemn tithing too neither where there a place that I have read he collected tithes but he emphasized on giving and receiving ! I hope I have said all that I know for now and it helps readers too.
Kris I. . To further buttress your point, I would like to add my comment. Gift is not the same thing as tithe and the guy in the middle is not coherent and lacks clear understanding of the scriptures. But as with all issues in life, the question we should be asking is, what is Jesus Christ position with regards to tithe.
Aldo, It is incorrect to say that tithing was not mentioned in the new testament. It was use by Jesus himself but in a different context as against the way it's being used today in His church (body of christ) .
Jesus rebuke the Phariisees in Mathew 23 vs 23 and Luke 11 vs 42 "Woe unto you Pharisees for ye tithe mint........
Due to their hypocritical and showy in religion that they brought into all details of life which could and would be seen of men. That which is not seen of men did not matter. Theirs was an “an outward religion” dealt with outward appearance - styles, ornaments, rituals, forms, and what the eye could see. They the Pharisees IGNORED judgement, mercy and faith.
The above is what is being practice today by many religious leaders hence the rage with regards to tithing is spreading like wild fire and I strongly hope that it will yield the desire result and that the soul/welfare of the Saint in christ will matter more than material acquisition by those whom God have appointed to watch/feed his flocks.
Pastors and church leaders, you play a powerful role in shaping attitudes, opinions and behaviours of your followers. Do not jeopardised your responsibility of preaching God's word by compromising the teachings of the bible because of personal gain and making a quota.
We can therefore conclude that, since Christ sanctioned tithing then it should be practice.
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Christ sanctioned it to Pharisees who were Jews. He tells them that they pay a tithe of their herbs, which is the Jewish law, but the instructions to the gentiles do not include tithing. Unless you’re a Jew, and you’ve seen a Levite to give 10% of your groceries to, you’re deceiving yourself.
@@christthetruth.oyinkroandr1661 It is only practice if you arr under Judaism. If you are a Christian, tithe does not apply to you but paying taxes to the government of where you live is required.
@@titi9238 @Titi: Allow me to ask you a question. Seeing that we are required to pay taxes to the government, how does the churches meet their financial obligation given that they don't have other means of generating revenue?
@@christthetruth.oyinkroandr1661 through the freewill offerings of their members but definitely not tithe. There are churches practising this principle of true giving and their pastors are well taken care of.
mr. eider Pastor, all your reference has no link with tithe i beg you. go for more study so you can Pastor well.
tithes were given yearly NOT weekly. tithes had nothing to do with money. it was livestock and produce of the land[agrarian based] there is a difference between the old testament tithing under the law and and the new testament giving. tithing has to do with the law. giving has to do with the heart. free will giving. we are no longer under the Law, JESUS FULFILLED THE LAW AND TITHING WAS PART OF THE LAW. PERIOD.!
2 Corinthians 9:6 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
Jesus Fulfilled the law doesn't mean we aren't supposed to keep it. FULL-FILLED, means he completed it. As for tithing, it was for the levetical priesthood. So until our savior comes to establish his kingdom and put us into tribes, no pastor has a right to collect tithes according to the law. Only free will offerings.
This Bro Rotimi should go study his bible. How can a priest be translated to mean pastor today? It is unbiblical. We are all priests in the new testament. Read 1 Peter 2:9
Let me correct this anomaly here, every baptized believer is a priest. Every baptized believer is a pastor. If Bro Rotimi claims that only the so-called "pastors" today are priests, then he is saying that Christ is not Our High Priest because Our Lord Jesus Christ descended from the tribe of Judah which was different from the Levites-a tribe that everlasting priesthood was promised.
My questions for Bro Rotimi are these:
1. Are you from Israel?
2. Are you from the tribe of Levite?
3. Are you a descendant of Aaron?
The only way Bro Rotimi could lay claim to the three identities in the question was because Jesus Christ came and fulfilled the Law that said that ONLY Aaron and his sons will be priest & high priest forever. Thus, Our Lord Jesus Christ, having descended from the loins of Judah became our High priest and thus Bro Rotimi qualified to be "priest" or "pastor".
Under the old law, Bro.Rotimi has NO RIGHT to near the temple or tabernacle of Jehovah because he belonged to none of the people in the question. Yes, you heard me right because there is old law which is the law that Christ fulfilled and a new law which is called the law of Christ ( Gal 3: 24-25, Matt 12:28-31). Now, which law then qualify Bro. Rotimi to collect tithes? The law that was fulfilled for him to be called a priest in the first instance or which one again?
There is ONLY one house of God and storehouse of God and it was in Jerusalem then and now the house of God is within us-our body.
We are God's temple(1 Cor 6:19, Eph 2:19-22)
We are priests (1 Peter 9:6, 1 Peter 2:5)
We are the body of Christ(1 Cor 12:27)
We are body of Christ, & body of Christ is the Church & Christ is the head ( Eph 5:23)
Gal 3:24-25 NKJ "24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor."
On-premise of Gal 3:24-25, Tithing is a law, yes. Bro. Rotimi, you would definitely agree with me. Yes, it is a law. Have we in the new testament era come to Christ? Let me rephrase the last question, has Christ come? Have we been justified by faith?
Bro. Rotimi, if you answer the questions under the above paragraph truthfully, then ONE last question for you is "WHY DO YOU STILL WANT TO BE UNDER "A TUTOR" AFTER CHRIST HAS COME? AFTER WE HAVE BEEN JUSTIFIED BY FAITH?
Answer my questions under my comment.
I belong to a church that does not pay tithe and there is nothing you mega GO jet flying churches do that we cannot do financially. How? The Lord Jesus Christ is cantering for His body (the Church)
Do not be afraid, God is able to supply all your needs. Just go and preach the real gospel and see wonders happen before your eyes.
2 Cor 9:6-8
The Cheerful Giver
6 But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. 7 So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver. 8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work.
God bless you as you preach the right gospel in Jesus Christ's name. Amen.
N/B:
Sorry, I referred to you throughout as Bro. Rotimi, yes, I do not call anybody pastor because it is not a title. Jesus Christ forewarns us about these titles like,---Pastor, General Overseer, Senior Pastor, Assistant pastor, Resident Pastor, Visiting Pastor, Deacon, Bishop, Father, Reverend Father, Holy Father (just imagine that...pope calls himself holy father), Arch Bishop, Arch-Deacon, cachemist, Evangelist, Prophet, Apostle Suleiman, lol...remove the Suleiman, read the scripture below:
Matt 23: 5-12
5 But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. 6 They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, 7 greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’ 8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ,[b] and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. 11 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.
Hey 👋🏿:) you did well explaining the issue on tithing which is clearly right..... but about God's servants that none should be called apostle,prophet,evangelist,pastor, teacher and etc, was Peter wrong when he was identified as an apostle of Christ Jesus or Paul who as well identify himself as an apostle of Jesus Christ?.... please help me on this.....
Thank you, Bro. Charles. You see, we all are here to learn. The bible said that iron sharpeneth iron.....
Proverbs 27:17 "Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend"
but the trend we see in Nigeria Christianity is that brethren UTTERLY refused to be sharpened.
I have outlined as follows:
Romans 1:1 "Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God "
1 Cor 1:1 "Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,"
2 Cor 1:1 "Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother,"
Gal 1:1 "Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead)"
Eph 1:1 "Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:"
Phil 1:1 " Paul and Timothy, bondservants of Jesus Christ, To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi, with the bishops[a] and deacons:"
Col 1:1 "Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother,"
1 Tim 1:1 "Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, by the commandment of God our Savior and the Lord Jesus Christ, our hope,"
1 Tim 1:1 "Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ[a] by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,"
Titus 1:1 "Paul, a bondservant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect and the acknowledgment of the truth which accords with godliness,"
Philemon 1:1 "Paul, a prisoner of Christ Jesus, and Timothy our brother, to Philemon our beloved friend and fellow laborer,"
James 1:1 "James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad: Greetings."
1 Peter 1:1 "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia"
2 Peter 1:1 "Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:"
Jude 1:1 "Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to those who are called, sanctified[a] by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ:"
My dear Bro. Charles, if you look closely, you would see how these writers(Paul, Peter, and Jude) addressed themselves as:
1. An Apostles
2. A Bondservant
3. A Prisoner,
in the introductory parts of all their epistles. This is likened to a signature to mark the authenticity of their writings as evidenced mostly at the introductory greetings. This can never be extrapolated to justify the use of all these prefixes( Prophet, Pastor, Senior Pastor, General Overseer, Father, Reverend Father, Holy Father, Apostle, Prophtess, Bishop, Elder, Deacon, Monsignor, Arch Bishop, Evangelist, etc) to names of so-called "men of God" today.
Ask yourself this question:
1.Why haven't any of them use prefixes like Bondservant or Prisoner to his name as we saw above?
(Imagine, Prisoner David Oyedepo instead of "Bishop", Bondservant Suileman instead of "Apostle", Prisoner Enoch Adeboye instead of "Daddy GO", etc
2. Why only Apostle, Bishop, Prophet, Rev. Father, etc? Why?
Read the very words of Jesus Christ concerning this, please, pay special attention to verse 7 & 11:
Matt 23: 5-12
"5 But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. 6 They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, 7 greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’ 8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ,[b] and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. 11 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."
They preferred "Rabbi, Rabbi", "Bishop, Bishop", "Pope, Pope", "Prophet, Prophet", "Elder, Elder", "Apostle, Apostle", "Father, Father", etc ----from verse 7, I added mine to buttress my points BUT no ONE likes servant or prisoner (see verse 11).
Lastly, this write-up is already long but I must conclude by emphasizing that during Christ's Baptism, Transfiguration, etc, The Father spoke from Heaven and told us ...."this is my beloved Son....listen to Him..." As a result of that injunction from The Father, God All Mighty, I always go to the gospels (Matt, Mark, Luke & John) first to read what Jesus Christ said about any topic before considering a second opinion.
On this topic, Christ said..."But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. Matt 23:8
God bless you, Bro. Charles!
I hope this helps...
Cuba Brown ....bondservant of Jesus Christ.
Cuba Brown well said.
God bless sir good tlke keep it up
not understanding the guy on the left......the younger guys makes much sense....the older quotes trying to coin words to suit tithes....we are not uneducated
The tithing pastor is correct. The younger one keeps on finding the word "tithe" in New Testament. It is just liek trying to find the word "trinity" in the bible.
As the older gentleman said, "collection of GIFTS for the SAINTS" He's contradicting himself. It doesn't say the gift were for the apostle
This older man(pastor) is not communicating at all, every scripture he read has nothing to do with tithe
he is a snake
Absolutely saint ude
The man defending the tithe dont know what he is saying.He should go and study his bible well.
richard baah the older pastor is wrong
Sure, people have made their belly their god.
PS 147:19-20 "He shows His Word unto Jacob, His statutes and His judgments unto Israel. He has not dealt so with any nation: and as for His judgments, they have not known them. Praise you the LORD."
Paul tells us in Romans 2 that the Gentiles who do not have the Law are a law unto themselves doing by nature thing contained in the Law but not the whole Law because morality is basic to all societies written in the heart, not on Tablets of Stone. The Law with its Tithe law was given to the Jews, not the Gentiles and only during the Old Testament era to support a Theocracy run by the Levites and Priests to support them and the poor with food stored in a "Storehouse", which is what the Tithe was. The Gentiles use taxes to run the government and help the poor. HEB 7:12 "For the Priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." Even Jews know not to Tithe because they don't have the Priesthood anymore. They along with us are to give according to a New Testament. 2COR 9:7 "Every man according as he purposes in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loves a cheerful giver.
" Not out "of necessity" as was the case under the Law because of, GAL 5:18 "But if you be led of the Spirit, you are not under the Law." To teach otherwise or collect Tithes is fraud/sin. Learn to give as Jesus taught it under the New Covenant, not the Old.
@@123garya The change Paul is saying in Heb. 7:12 is in 2Cor. 9:7, from giving Tithes and Offerings because it is mandatory to giving tithes and offerings in what his heart purposeth.
@@123garya You keep on quoting scriptures while not knowing the topic, you keep on saying the law and it is hard for you to obey. In fact, God's laws are not grievous and this tithing practice is but a pre-law. You cannot justify your logic by that. The bible tells Jesus do not came to destroy the law but to fulfill it, He speaks of salvation. In OT, they do offerings and laws to be saved, that is why there are ORDINANCES and RITUALS (Those were already abolished as we are not under law but under grace). What Jesus do is that He expounded and expanded the law to each and every one.
FYI, the bible does not say that tithe is ONLY monetary, as it rejects your cultic interpretation. Tithe cannot save you. We give because He first gave.
Tithe is also seen under promise, that is why when you give it, you have blessings as spoken also of Malachi. Why not give God what He deserves, give it now man?
I'm so impress with the young Pastor submissions. Please someone should help me with his contracts.
As for me sha I will pay my tithe to the less privileged people okay
Lol your mumu done do
Don't call it tithe. It's a free will giving
Tithe to church and firmly believe God will keep his word and bless you tremendously for tithing and you will be blessed beyond your wildest dreams for tithing. The secret is believing God completely when he says he will open up the windows of heaven and POUR out blessings that you cannot contain when you tithe. Without believing God completely when he says he will bless you tremendously for tithing, you will not be blessed even if you tithe. Send me donations. Send donations to Lan Kwon, 2106 Cobble Creek Dr., Houston, Texas 77073 and make checks out to Lan Kwon. Send monthly donations.
I can't stop laughing at what you said
Love of money is the root of all evil😅ppl r very selective when it comes to that! It seems like its mosaic law that has been kept😅D provision part uus only for em😅stomach religion
Three Opponents
by Ronald W Robey
Every time a Pastor preaches that God’s commanded tithe is monetary, he enters a debate in which he has three opponents…
1. The word of God
2. The God of the word
3. The Spirit of Truth
The word “tithe” in relation to God’s commanded tithe appears only 14 times in 13 verses of the KJV. (Lev. 27:30,32; Num. 18:26; Deut. 12:17; Deut. 14:22,28; 2 Chr. 31:5; Neh. 10:38; Neh. 13:12; Matt. 23:23; Lk. 11:42)
The word “tithes” in relation to God’s commanded tithe appears only 23 times in 20 verses of the KJV. (Le 27:31; Nu 18:24,26,28; De 12:6,11; De 26:12; 2Ch 31:12; Ne 10:37,38; Ne 12:44; Ne 13:5; Am 4:4; Mal 3:8,10; Lu 18:12; Heb 7:5,6,8,9)
The word “tithes” in relation to a voluntary tithe appears only 1 time in 1 verse in the KJV. (Gen. 14:20)
The word “tithing” in relation to God’s commanded tithe appears only 2 times in 1 verse of the KJV. (Deut. 26:12)
The phrase “the tenth” in relation to God’s commanded tithe is found only 2 times in 2 verses of the KJV. (Lev. 27:32; Num. 18:21)
The phrase “the tenth” in relation to a voluntary tithe is found only 2 times in 2 verses in the KJV. (Gen. 28:22; Heb. 7:4)
The phrase “the tenth” in relation to a forced tithe by man is found only 2 times in 2 verses in the KJV. (1 Sam. 8:15,17)
The phrase “a tenth” in relation to a voluntary tithe is found only 1 time in 1 verse in the KJV. (Heb 7:2)
Of the forty-four (44) references to tithe found in the Bible, only thirty-six (36) speak of God’s commanded tithe. Only fourteen (14) of the thirty-six verses where God’s commanded tithe is seen mention the elements of God’s commanded tithe. Those fourteen (14) verses reveal God’s commanded tithe to be agricultural…not monetary.
God’s commanded tithe is
a) seed of the land. (Le. 27:30)
b) fruit of the tree. (Le. 27:30)
c) every tenth animal to pass under the rod. (Le 27:32)
d) corn. (De. 12:17)
e) wine. (De. 12:17)
f) oil. (De. 12:17)
g) seed. (De. 14:22)
h) corn. (De. 14:23)
i) wine. (De.14:23)
j) oil. (De.14:23)
k) oxen. (De. 14:26)
l) sheep. (De. 14:26)
m) wine. (De. 14:26)
n) strong drink. (De. 14:26)
o) oxen. (2 Ch. 31:6)
p) sheep. (2 Ch. 31:6)
q) tithes of our ground. (Ne. 10:37)
r) tithes out of the fields. (Ne. 12:44)
s) corn. (Ne. 13:5)
t) wine. (Ne. 13:5)
u) oil. (Ne. 13:5)
v) corn. (Ne. 13:12)
w) wine. (Ne. 13:12)
x) oil. (Ne. 13:12)
y) food. (Mal. 3:10)
z) mint. (Matt. 23:23)
aa) anise. (Matt. 23:23)
ab) cummin. (Matt. 23:23)
ac) mint. (Lu. 11:42)
ad) rue. (Lu. 11:42)
ae) herbs. (Lu. 11:42)
Money is never required as tithe in the entire Bible.
Given the Scriptures that define the elements of God’s commanded tithe, it is blatantly obvious that Pastors who teach a monetary tithe requirement to their congregations are in direct opposition to the word of God, to the God of the word, and to the Spirit of truth.
2 Corinthians 4:1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
2 Corinthians 4:2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
I've just downloaded your "Tithe of the Land" from Amazon. God bless you
@@Boomslang1,
Thank you! The Tithe of the Land was the first book I ever tried to write.
May the truths written in the Book help you to help others.
@@standingfirminChrist Amen. It's a huge problem in Africa sadly, the obsession with riches has flooded the pulpit and tithing is used as a ruse to con gullible poverty stricken Africans. I certainly look forward to reading it and will definitely share the Kingdom truths. The Lord bless you.
The man defending the tithe is confused. He is just talking nonsense. Criminal
Flex Ima , Lolz
If you tithe and firmly believe that God will keep his word and open up the windows of heaven and POUR out blessings that you cannot contain, then you will be blessed beyond your wildest dreams for tithing. That is the secret. Send me donations. Send donations to Lan Kwon, 2106 Cobble Creek Dr., Houston, Texas 77073 and make checks out to Lan Kwon. Consider sending monthly donations.
Lan Kwon , your a wolf in sheep’s clothing . Why would you risk eternal TORMENT for a dollar that won’t stay with you long. The government has is set up to keep you from saving a lot of money and the reason is so it keeps the currency flowing in society so they don’t have to keep making new bills. You’re ignorant to try to con peoples money and we all are just trying to make it, you brute beast made to be destroyed. Repent and IBEY ACTS 2:38 and watch/follow Pastor Gino Jennings and remove your address
2 Corinthians 6:7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. Tithe is law and bondage keep teaching tithes at the expense of the power of God
Even if you are defending tithing you cannot twist scriptures to this extent
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Hi young man
This older pastor does no his bible to and ask any Jew the Morden Jewish man do not pay tithe any more. Because the Levithes are no longer serving in the temple. We Christians give offerings which may be 100% 50% 0r 2%. Remember the woman in the bible whom Jesus himself said gave the best gift is he gave the last coin she had.Do you really thing that God who use his mouth to crest the world will also use it to curse the human he created? Common greedy pastors there is a revolution. We all can read now. There is no more condemnation for those of us that are in Christ Jesus. My offerings are now going to the poor. The sick . the homeless. And the widow. Because that's where Jesus is he is going to ask each an everyone of us. When I was homless . sick. poor orphaned etc what did you do? Some us will answer I was busy riding private jets. Building expensive schools. And living in mansion. While my neighbours are crying and hunry. 50% of Nigerians can not afford 3 square meal . The come to church to seek the face of God. And a pastor is preaching that God will curse them if they don't pay tithe. Please pastors preach the good news of grace mercy and repentance and leave money alone.
@@Passiondriveme I think if we all do that in every neighbourhood in Nigeria. It will alleviate a lot of suffering, bring relief and put smiles on people's faces.
+Passiondriveme Why do some people get blessed tremendously for tithing and some don't get blessed from tithing? The secret is that the people who gets blessed beyond their wildest dreams believe completely that God will keep his word and open up the windows of heaven and POUR out blessings that you cannot contain. If you don't believe that God will keep his word and bless you tremendously for tithing, even if you tithe, you won't be blessed. That is the secret. Send me donations. Send donations to Lan Kwon, 2106 Cobble Creek Dr., Houston, Texas 77073 and make checks out to Lan Kwon. Send monthly donations.
What is this man talking about? I think he is confused and may be he is reading from another Bible. Is gift the same thing as tithe? He is making a fool of himself! It is people like him that need to be chased out of the pulpit. If he interprets the Bible this way, I am really sorry for the people in his church.
Kenneth Ukoh: you are very correct the reality is that people in his church or many black churches all over the world cannot challenge their pastor otherwise they will be labelled as rebellious
People who are against tithe are myopic
Moderator calm down please let the young pastor speak...
the moderator is most irritating
Yeah
We are all priests in Christ sir, priesthood is not only for pastors
John 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
God bless you Ayintete. Please pray for Pastor Akinwale. Or should i say Priest Akinwale. Please read what it takes to be a priest in the old Testament if you chose to follow that. Comes across as the word of God is being twisted. Its either theres another bible or people do not fear the Lord or believe he exist. Ignorance is not an excuse on the last day. The people perish for ignorance. They will hear and not understand, look but not see..... Repent.
By interrupting the young pastor they thought they made their point, it only proved the young pastor's point even more...this isn't even a debate, they called the younger pastor to fix words into his lips
For many years Paul had been concerned for the poor Christians in Jerusalem, and he was always doing his best to help them (Acts 11:27-30; Gal 2:10). During his third missionary journey he had been organizing a collection of money and goods among the Gentile churches to take to Jerusalem. He hoped that as the Jerusalem Christians saw the loving concern that the Gentile churches had for them, they would feel a greater sense of unity and fellowship with their Gentile brothers in other countries ( Acts 24:17; Rom 15:25-27 ). (Paul talks about this collection more fully in 2 Cor 8:1-9:15.)
The Corinthians were participating in this collection and had written to Paul about it. In response Paul advises them to put their offerings into the fund each Sunday, so that the money will be ready when he visits Corinth. The amount people give will depend on the amount they earn (16:1-2). The church should also choose representatives to take the money to Jerusalem, and when Paul comes to Corinth he will write letters to introduce these men to the Jerusalem church. In fact, he might even go with them (3-4).
IT WAS NOT ONLY TITHING THAT WAS ABOLISHED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, BUT
ALSO OFFERINGS....THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS LOVE OFFERINGS TO YOUR
PASTORS OR TO YOUR BROTHERS OR SISTERS IN THE LORD.....
WHEN THE BIBLE SPEAKS OF OFFERINGS IT ONLY MEANS OFFERING TO GOD....
IN THE CHURCH AGE GOD REQUIRES GIVING TO YOUR POOR BROTHERS/SISTERS
IN THE LORD INSTEAD OF GIVING TO THE PASTOR......
WHEN THE PASTOR IS RICH, HE MUST BE THE ONE TO GIVE INSTEAD OF RECEIVING
TITHES and OFFERINGS FROM THE POOR CHRISTIAN....
1 CORINTHIANS 9:18 (KJV)
''What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel
of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.''
Gifts are not tithes. Please! This is not a debate. Truly 419! The older pastor said it himself.
My worst moment is when I say something truthful and my opponent keep laughing. Laughing over his own stupidity. The older pastor knows the truth but the spirit of mammom wouldn't let them
As in very annoying.
Even now that I rewatch I am pissed.
You see the truth is bitter but is the truth
You see how this man is trying his best to defend what he knows that is not right just because of his selfish interest, if the Bible says we are all priest then who is to give who?
1. tithing was NEVER money... it was FOOD (Lev.27:26, 30-33) (Deut. 14:22-23) (Num. 12:44-45) (Num. 13:5, 9, 12) 2. it was every year, every 3 yrs or every 7 (Amos 4:4 “every 3 years) (Neh. 10:35 “year by year”) (Deut. 14:22 “year by year”) (Deut.26:12 “every 3 years”) who changed Gods word to every Sunday? 3. tithing was of the law (Lev. 27) to the children of Israel 4.the law was satisfied (Gal 3) 5. you arent cursed if you dont tithe... Mal 3.. God is talking to the Levite priest 6. you ARE cursed if you DO tithe... becuz you are KEEPING the law... (Gal 3) 7. when Abraham tithed, God didnt command him to do it... (cant use that) 8. the church was NEVER the storehouse (2 Chron. 31:1-14) 9. the Levite priest are the ones to bring the tithe to the storehouse (Num. 18:25-32) and (Neh. 10:38) 10. who were the tithe for?? read (Num. 18:21-24) (Deut. 10:9) (Deut. 18:1) (Josh.13:33) (Neh.10:38) (Deut. 14:28-29) (Deut. 26:12-14) (2 chron. 31:4) 11. Jesus even recognize the tithe as food and it was LAW.. (Matt. 23:23) 12. tithing and giving are totally different... and we should give... 13. last thing....Matt. 22:15-22 Jesus said give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and give to God what is God’s….in the context… Jesus asked who’s “IMAGE” is on the coin???? They said “Caesar…. “ So in context… the money belongs to Caesar… who’s “IMAGE” is God on??? Let’s go to Genesis 1:26 (Let US make man in OUR own IMAGE) so that means we belong to God… God wants 100% of us… NOT 10% …… we are also heirs and joint heirs with Christ….Rom. 8:17….. everything that we OWN… HE OWNS.. and everything the He owns… we own… there is NO 90/10……… so when the church (NOT ALL CHURCHES) tells us NOT to pay our bills because we MUST give to God 1st [even if we’re struggling] that is wrong… for ex…. If your mortgage is due and the bank is Wells Fargo and when you got paid, all you had is enough for the mortgage…. If you give God what belongs to wells Fargo (Caesar)… you’re out of order…....also, i know that ppl who do tithe claim that "it works" but check out this analogy.............A shirt that is put on backwards still does what its designed to do. it will cover you! BUT,.... something about the fit WILL be uncomfortable. its not until the shirt is put on properly that one can receive the full comfort of the design. Same applies with the Word of God. we can still get some of the principles to kinda work for us... but it ONLY when we Use it properly... we can get the best results! AND BE FREE....
Without the tithes they can’t have their fancy cars big houses and tailored clothes! While the poor in Africa stays in poverty
Christ was and will only be the last sacrifice we shall forever need for the salvation of our souls.
Any commandment that Jesus didn't give His Church can't be a Christian Church doctrine. Period.
The older man knew quite well the above tithes catastrophe have no foundation in Christ.Malachi 3:10 used window as the source of blessing. But in Christ the Bible used door as the source of blessing through Jesus who is the door.no matter how many times the older man will twist it the truth still stands. Tithes is not worth practising
Can there left the young man to talk too why interrupting him always
Bc the persuasion of the person who doesn't have a point has been supreme in the churches for so long. This is how most ppl are blinded to the truth bc they learn towards charm and manipulation so easily.
Because they want to manipulate, Jesus didn't mention tithe, some of then would mention Mathew 23:23, read it carefully, jusus didn't mention tithe there.
The man defending tithing is a criminal, a 419...He is not even sure of what he saying and yet he is talking as if he knows. I wish I can take this thief on.
The older pastor is talking pullshit
Uncle pastor, fragrance offering or giving has nothing to do with 'TITHE' let's be sincere to our selves...............
This pastor is just trying so hard to defend tithe na wa oo
What kind of debate is this where only one is allowed to speak..that pastor Don't even know what he's saying, just quoting scriptures giving his own lame interpretation. Just the same way the other one said new testameny came before old,,,hmmm
The old man is talking rubbish. Thanks to the young nan keep defending the integrity of the gospel. We have to be very intensional in the mandate of making Christ known to our generation, other wise we will betray the next generation,
If False teaching continues the next generation will never know who God is at all
The uncle defending tithe was struggling lol 😂😂😂
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Defending the tithe can't be done a n d follow scripture
Those days, majority of them were MEN OF GOD, but these days majority of them are now GOD OF MEN (The opposite).
Those days, majority of believers believed in the WORD OF GOD than they do for the MEN OF GOD but these days, majority of believers believed in the MEN OF GOD than the WORD OF GOD thereby making them the GOD OF MEN (I mean their God).
These days, majority of believers patronizes the materials of the GOD OF MEN who were once THE MEN OF GOD than they do for the Bible and the reading of it.
This TITHE REVOLUTION, if it’s the WILL OF GOD, it must STAND and SURELY COME TO PASS.
It’s already having effect on some GOD OF MEN. This REVOLUTION whether NEGATIVE or POSITIVE, will SURE AFFECT their ACCOUNT. Newly interested GOD OF MEN will WITHDRAW while the old will CHANGE PLANS. Let’s wait, watch and see the outcome. It’s a matter of TIME.
I believe it is the will of God that the lies be exposed.
The first question that comes to mind is "If tithing is so important and a prerequisite for God's blessings, why didn't Jesus Christ ever give any instruction(s) about it"?, yet HE said that HE came to fulfill the laws given by GOD His Father who instructed giving of 'tithe', are we saying Jesus forgot about it? yet HE spoke severally about giving.
Care has to be taken not to equate gift/giving to tithe as is being done here now, and is common place in the churches.
I personally believe in giving as a life principle, not out of compulsion or under constraints, whether a 10% or a 60%, what matters is giving as you have purposed and doing it cheerfully, and not necessarily to a church too.
Moreover, going through the regular Genesis 14 account alluding to the pre-law idea of tithing, have you ever considered that
1. what Abraham gave was not from his increase but the spoil of a battle he just won, which from research was a custom at that time?
2. how many times after this account did he give such 10% again?
3. he gave the complete 100% of the spoil, 10% to Melchizedek and the rest 90% to the king of Sodom who originally had the goods before they were carted away by the enemy kings that Abraham defeated?
4. perhaps, Melchizedek got the 10% because he first offered bread and wine to Abraham and the men who fought for Abraham otherwise Abraham would have given the 100% to the king of Sodom?
4. Abraham vowed not to keep anything from the spoil so that it wont be said that he got blessed through it but rather trust in God for the blessings promised him?
5. Not even Isaac, the first generation and the son of promise repeated what his father did?
6. Jacob, the second generation son only mentioned tithe as a vow for a request placed before God?
If I give 10% you call it tithe, what do you call it when I give 20% or 30% or even 90%?
Every Christian should learn to give freely to God who is the greatest giver, as they have purposed and leave the tussle over whether we should pay tithe or not, except we are still under the law?
One principle that will not fail is sowing and reaping, choose your farmland wisely.
Olaleye Olalekan Oladipo . Jesus Christ did mention it but it is not a prerequisite for God's blessing. Gift is not the same thing as tithe and the guy in the middle is not coherent and lacks clear understanding of the scriptures. But as with all issues in life, the question we should be asking is, what is Jesus Christ position with regards to tithe.
Also, It is incorrect to say that tithing was not mentioned in the new testament. It was use by Jesus himself but in a different context as against the way it's being used today in His church (body of christ) .
Jesus rebuke the Phariisees in Mathew 23 vs 23 and Luke 11 vs 42 "Woe unto you Pharisees for ye tithe mint........
Due to their hypocritical and showy in religion that they brought into all details of life which could and would be seen of men. That which is not seen of men did not matter. Theirs was an “an outward religion” dealt with outward appearance - styles, ornaments, rituals, forms, and what the eye could see. They the Pharisees IGNORED judgement, mercy and faith.
The above is what is being practice today by many religious leaders hence the rage with regards to tithing is spreading like wild fire and I strongly hope that it will yield the desire result and that the soul/welfare of the Saint in christ will matter more than material acquisition by those whom God have appointed to watch/feed his flocks.
Pastors and church leaders, you play a powerful role in shaping attitudes, opinions and behaviours of your followers. Do not jeopardised your responsibility of preaching God's word by compromising the teachings of the bible because of personal gain and making a quota.
We can therefore conclude that, since Christ sanctioned tithing then it should be practice.
I would like to recommend my channel to you, hope you find the teachings edifying.
PREVIC TV I didn't say 'Jesus Christ did not mention' it I said HE didn't pass on any instructions to give/pay tithe, HE talked about giving severally tho, which HE practiced Himself, and that is what I do uphold also.
step 1
Matthew 6:33 King James Version (KJV)
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
step2
Luke 17:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
step3 meditation
Matthew 6:22-23 King James Version (KJV)
22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
step 4 meditation
you teach meditation as evil
Luke 11:52 King James Version (KJV)
52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.
all spoken by Jesus
As with all issues in life, the question we should be asking is, what is Jesus Christ position with regards to tithe.
It is incorrect to say that tithing was not mentioned in the new testament. It was use by Jesus himself but in a different context as against the way it's being used today in His church (body of christ) .
Jesus rebuke the Phariisees in Mathew 23 vs 23 and Luke 11 vs 42 "Woe unto you Pharisees for ye tithe mint........
Due to their hypocritical and showy in religion that they brought into all details of life which could and would be seen of men. That which is not seen of men did not matter. Theirs was an “an outward religion” dealt with outward appearance - styles, ornaments, rituals, forms, and what the eye could see. They the Pharisees IGNORED judgement, mercy and faith.
The above is what is being practice today by many religious leaders hence the rage with regards to tithing is spreading like wild fire and I strongly hope that it will yield the desire result and that the soul/welfare of the Saint in christ will matter more than material acquisition by those whom God have appointed to watch/feed his flocks.
Pastors and church leaders, you play a powerful role in shaping attitudes, opinions and behaviours of your followers. Do not jeopardised your responsibility of preaching God's word by compromising the teachings of the bible because of personal gain and making a quota.
We can therefore conclude that, since Christ sanctioned tithing then it should be practice.
I would like to recommend my channel to you, hope you find the teachings edifying.
But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means. 1 Corinthians 2:14
This commentator is very annoying. You cannot be the moderator and same time be the debater. And offering , gift whatever you call it is purely optional. And not a requirement. I can assure you God will rather you take homeless kids in and feed them and educate them rather than give the money to a bloated pastor.
Pastor, u have no answer. Gift is not tithing and tithing is not gift. Remember the collecting was to be distributed to the needy. Pastor, u have failed. Go home and start reading the Bible. There no mention of paying tithe.
I was taught to Tithe and was made to feel afraid that I would be cursed if I didn't. The Tithes was given from the crops and other forms of farming and if it was too much to carry, then it was to be in the form of money. Now that I am wiser and older in the Word of God I have grater understanding in the Word of God in the fact that he as never forced me to pay Tithes, that he wants me to give my freewill offering. Our offering is not only money but includes our worship and how much time we spend with him. It is also important to give to the poor and as The Lord instructs us in our personal walk with him. The following link to look up is a teaching that proves that we are no longer under the law and don't have to give Tithes: ruclips.net/video/2qOTnTWRDfw/видео.html
The young pastor is very articulate and spiritual sound.
Mr older pastor... I am not going to pay tithe anymore..because you come across as a thief. You are not coherent, you are not sure of your defense.
Lol. Exactly.
Please mr older pastor is a twister of the truth. Please.......
He using gifts, collections, as tithes?? Mr older pastor is mad. Stop twisting the truth.
James Johnson ,you too funy.Lolz.
Hmm. Are you paying your tithe to God or to your pastor.
moderator please you are bias and talked too much. any reason why you cut pst Harry short. pst Harry was not allowed to talk. Pst Harry, dont come for part 2 if they wont allow you talk.
WILL A MAN ROB GOD?
This is one of the scriptures which have been used by false preachers to threaten / rob congregants of their money abusing scriptures.
Firstly, you must understand that the bible is a book of parables and proverbs/ written in a hidden language (Matthew 13:34-35, John 16:25, Psalms 78:2). When the bible says ‘Can a man rob God?’ it’s not literal because literally robbing means the one robbed is weaker/ vulnerable/ defenseless WHILST the Robber is stronger/ manipulative/ well-armed. If we take it literally it means God is weak. Is God defenseless from mere mortals (men)? God Forbid! He is the Almighty God, The Creator even of the Devil. So without controversy we ought to know or understand in what manner does men ‘rob’ God?
Malachi 3:8-12
3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Robbery definition:
Formal definition: the action of taking property unlawfully from a person or place by force or threat of force.
Informal definition: unashamed swindling or overcharging.
The key word is PROPERTY, because the force, the threat, the swindling or overcharging happens in order to take the PROPERTY from its owner.
We must remember scriptures like Isaiah 55:8, Numbers 23:19 and Luke 15:16 which reminds and warn us that God and Men are very much different. According to man robbery is an act of using force or threat to take from a weaker person BUT God being Almighty, All Powerful He is introducing His own definition of robbery obviously deviant from man’s definition where the weaker one ‘robs’ the Almighty.
Let us understand also that for you to be robbed you must have the PROPERTY. What then is God’s Property/ Asset? God has only ONE PROPERTY; His ONLY Begotten Son / The Word (John 1:18, John 3:16, Romans 8:29, John 20:17, Hebrews 2:11).
So Malachi, as one of the prophets, he was not just telling Israel to obey the Law of Moses (Which was a shadow of the good things Hebrews 10:1, Colossians 2:17). But the law was a shadow, so for Israel to pay tithes and offerings it was supposed to be followed as per commandment/ pattern so that when the GOOD THINGS/ which is Christ come we can relate well from the pattern.
Let me repeat this: In Malachi God was reminding the children of Israel after the Babylonian captivity that you are no longer paying tithes and offerings WHICH MEANS you are distorting the PATTERN. Distorting the pattern (Israel not paying tithes and offering) is robbery! I will explain why?
God has One Thing, Christ and Christ alone. So All the prophets wrote about Christ (Luke 24:35-27/44, John 5:45, Acts 3:18, Acts 26:22-, Romans 1:1-4).
That why Paul wrote in 1 Timothy 1:8 that the law is good that is if we know what the law teaches about, the subject matter of the law.
Christ is the TITHE. TITHE is 1/10; 10%, the number ten (10) represents the Old Testament order because the ten (10) commandments are the face of the Law of Moses. So the message of Tithe was "I gave you the Old Testament and from thence I must get back Christ''. If you read Deuteronomy 14:22-, Leviticus 27:30 tithe was eaten by those who would have paid it. Why? Because when we are listening to the 'Christo-centric' Gospel according to 2 Corinthians 3:18, we are converted to be like the image/ Christ which we should see from the Scriptures.
So where are people robbing God? God has His Only Son, Christ. He wrote the bible to talk about His Son. He gave the Law of Moses and the Prophets (Old Testament) to write about Christ. And what are the false Teachers and Prophets of our days doing? Instead of teaching Christ from the law of Tithes and Offerings they are collecting tithes, that’s robbing God? Scriptures where God is expecting to get back Christ like Genesis 2:24 they are wedding using them, some starting companies and buying stands using scriptures. This is robbery! But Apostle Paul paid tithe by explaining that Genesis 2:24 talks about Christ from Ephesians 5:30-32. This is proper tithe-paying in the New Testament...... Coming out with Christ from the Old Testament and New Testament Scriptures.
But the Most interesting thing is Malachi did not just talk about tithe but Offering but the hungry pastors they raise their emotions on tithes but rarely mention anything about offering in connection with 'robbing' God. But God said ‘...In tithes and offerings’ and not just TITHE. WHY TITHE? The answer is hunger, their god is their belly (Philippians 3:19).
But I have touched on tithe and now as I conclude I will talk about offerings. All the offerings that were required by the Law of Moses, they were supposed to be paid during the Old Testament era according to the pattern so that when Christ / The Good Things come we can also refer and understand that the burnt offerings and the sin offerings were just but a shadow of Christ. So Suppose Israel failed to pay these, how were we going to learn about Christ from them? This was robbery? And now in our days people are robbing / swindling Christ and they put where Christ should be, marriages, weddings, cars, houses, stands, business etc.
Hebrews 10:6-10, When Christ came in the flesh (Galatians 4:4), He wanted to be the fulfillment of the burnt and sin offering of the Old Testament. You must also understand that the whole order of the Old Testament failed to give people righteousness including the tithes and all the offerings (Romans 3:19-21, Galatians 2:16, Galatians 3:11, Hebrews 7:11….)
So we who believe in the offering of the body of Christ and on the Cross we are not robbing God in offering. Why? Because we acknowledge the death of the Mosaic Law on the Cross (Colossians 2:13-17, Ephesians 2:14-16, Hebrews 8:13…) is the offering.
So can a man rob God? The answer is yes! The second question is what does God have? The answer is ONLY Begotten Son! The third question is how does the robbery happen? The answer is by not coming out with Christ from the scriptures or replacing Christ by the man of god or yourself!
God bless you---- If you believe this Gospel.
A new testament Christian is not required to tithe, but he is encouraged to give according to how God prospers him. That giving is a matter of the heart and love towards God and man. Nobody except the Levites that can take tithes.
You’re so right!!! Are you a member of the Church of Christ?
Love the ending question so who should give tithes to who? On to part 2. Great discussion.
The relevance of Bible passages quoted by the man on the left is giving which is very important to the Christian. We receive from God and we must give back to God (for His work) and give to the needy and give to relieve poverty. Tithes and offerings and gifts comes into this frame.
Tithing doesn't! Stop making up stuff which is NOT demanded of Christians.
Tithing does not apply to the New Testament believers, it was given only to the people of Israel and not to other nations was God given the command to give tithes to God, and to give tithes allowed exclusively to the descendants of Levi and did not give tithes to anyone else after them, tithing was needed to maintain the temple of the ministry in Jerusalem, and it was relevant until the atoning sacrifice of Jesus, since there were still sacrifices for sins, so the ministry of the Levites consisted in carrying the sin of the people, after the completed robot s Jesus on the cross, entered into force on another covenant other priests and other statutes and no need to perform the dilapidated that should be left in the past.
Let this man have a private chat with Daddy Freeze, he needs enlightenment.
Even the interviewer is biased and taking sides.
Daddy freez God used him
The word REVIVER is not mentioned in the New Testament but we do have reviver services in our churches,
OMG, Pastor Harrison Ayintete was an Hostel mate @Uni. Then, he was a rapper but later become more religious. I neva knew he became a pastor. Whaoo
yhemy o which is the hari among the two guys?
the Bible is expressive of its own... tithing is illegal
The monirator is not good, he involves himself in the debate too much
Brethren pls any of u dat wants to know about tıthıng should listen to abel Damına he ıs a wonderful teacher of the bıble, hıs explanatıon has settled My mınd. Tenx to hım
Exactly my brother, I hear you
Or, people can study the scriptures for themselves and let the Holy Spirit teach them. ☺
The only way to get blessed extremely from tithing is to believe God completely when he says he will open up the windows of heaven and POUR out blessings that you cannot contain when you tithe. Without believing God completely that He will bless you tremendously for tithing, you will not be blessed even if you tithe. That is the secret. Send me donations. Send donations to Lan Kwon, 2106 Cobble Creek Dr., Houston, Texas 77073 and make checks out to Lan Kwon. Consider sending me monthly donations.
that God you believed fulfilled all the laws of isreal
Following from Kenya, its a nice debate, I like it.
The truth is,it is not mandatory giving tithe.Giving of tithe is optional and should be prompted by love for God.
The Church has failed in preaching and teaching the Love of God that propels His people to give, this is the reason these ministers had to default to manipulating God’s people in order to prove a point that they’re doing the work. Come to think of it in acts they sold everything and gave because they were consumed in God’s love preached by the Apostles, isn’t that far better than doing everything just to get a tenth?
I can see how the elder pastor defending tithe is struggling. Yeah, he is good but t's hard to defend heresies. The young pastor against tithing is absolutely correct. He made my day!
Lie is always acceptable to many if any of you chooses not to pay your tithes ,up to you and God
the man supporting tithing lacks background. Pls let him read Heb. 7 from verse 18 through the end. Tithe was giving under the law and if there is a change of the law the bible says there must be a change. The bible says that tithing made nothing perfect and profited nothing
Oga Paul said gift not tithe because of money you're twisting the bible
Liza Pedro ft n clifford emeka ,all this una coments dey mske me laugh oo.Funy u .Lolz.
The man knows he won't eat without tithe in his church
Offering is different from tithes, the young pastor is on point. We base our arguments on facts. Your pastor God bless giving is not compulsory accounting to the book of 1 Corinthians
I'm really enjoying ur impeccable English, that's all
Tithing is not for today the book of Galatians explains what happens when you want to follow the Law.
Let's not confuse ..... No one is denying giving of Gift, Offering, Collections and Ministry Fund, We are only saying forcing people out of fear to give Tithes is just gimmick.....
the million dollar question is why was Jesus silent about tithe but told his disciples to do everything he taught them and in the New Testament there is no clear mentioning of church members giving tithes.
The host keeps letting the old man talk but he will not let the young man talk because the young man has the understanding that tithings is a Lie.
Those who are against the payment of tithe should please give us one scripture that explicitly says we should not pay tithe.
Neither was there a place where Jesus preach for tithe. The only times Jesus talked bout tithe, he didn't talk bout it in God light. Read matt 23:23
I would have given you enough scriptures which condemns tithing for christians but i just dont know how to start schooling educated adults afresh
1. The Bible tells us that God commanded that only plants and animals be given for tithing, 2. In the Bible we can read that God commanded that if a person had money when they were at the place to tithe that they were to take the money and buy what their soul longeth to eat and bring those edible things only for tithing and not to give money for tithing, 3. To give money for tithing is actually the breaking of God's laws and commandments that were given in the Bible as mentioned beforehand, 4. To continue to follow the old laws of the Bible then, in the new testament it tells us that you then remain under the old curse and are not under the Grace of Jesus, 5. In Hebrews 7 the Bible tells us that the old laws were weak and unprofitable for us and that the laws were disannulled and the priesthood was changed through Jesus because the priests had to offer up sacrifices daily but Jesus only needed to offer himself up only once for us, 6. If ministers tell people we are still under the old laws of giving, then why do they not preach all the laws that were commanded for giving such as redeeming your property, and paying money for your sin offering, and paying a certain amount of money every year according to your age and gender, etc. ? 7. The Bible tells us we are to give Free Will offerings now, 8. The word tithe means basically 10% of something, but in the Bible tithing was done regarding several different things or different years so the giving of tithes was much more then 10% of the things, 9. Tithing in the Bible was only done a few certain times of the year, not every week !, 10. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek from the spoils of war and not from any wages earned, further if you read elsewhere in the Bible we can read that Abraham had received from a King the amount of 1000 pieces of silver and animals and land, but if you read the Bible there is no where in the Bible that states Abraham tithed anything from the 1000 pieces of silver or animals or land that he received. My question is then why would anyone want to try to give money for tithing since it appears that this is actually disobeying God's commandments written in the Bible, and you would remain under the old curses and not under Grace as written in the Bible, and it appears you would be telling God that he does not have the authority to disannull his laws, and it appears you would be denying Jesus's priesthood and sacrifice of himself for us as the ultimate sacrifice only needed once and once only, so why would anyone what to do this ? Yes, give offerings to support your church, give 10% or 1%, or 50% or whatever, but the money is a Free Will offering and not a tithe.
THEY ARE LYING TO YOU, "PAY YOUR TITHES"
I pay my Tithes and Offerings with money and bring them to the House of God which is the Church.
Why?
Because of Malachi 3:10
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Because of Ecclesiastes 10:19
A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.
Because of 1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
By the grace of God I have provided you with BOOK, CHAPTER AND VERSE,
So you can go and put your own finger on what I have provided you as an answer of the reason of the hope that is within me just like the scriptures say.
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
1 Peter 3:15
Now ask these TITHE ROBBERS that tell you:
"NOT TO PAY TITHES"
"TITHES IS NOT FOR THE NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH"
and one TITHE ROBBER made a video saying,
"JESUS IS TELLING YOU TO STOP PAYING TITHES"
Let them provide YOU just like the HOLY GHOST allowed me to provide to YOU in a clear and intelligible order with the HOLY SCRIPTURES telling us NOT TO PAY TITHES AND OFFERINGS.
If they preaching it and teaching it then it's got to be in the BIBLE.
The Holy Ghost used me to put it for YOU clearly and concisely:
I PAY MY TITHES AND OFFERINGS (MALACHI 3:10) WITH MONEY (ECCLESIATES 10:19) AND BRING THEM TO THE HOUSE OF GOD WHICH IS THE CHURCH (1 TIMOTHY 3:15)
That wasn't hard, and YOU can go right to the scriptures and look it up and see that it is TRUTH FROM THE BIBLE.
THEY WILL TELL YOU NOT TO PAY TITHES
THEY WILL TELL YOU TITHES WAS STOPPED AND ABOLISHED.
BUT THEY CAN'T GO TO A SINGLE SCRIPTURE, VERSE OR PASSAGE THAT SAYS THAT.
So you are just supposed to TRUST THEM.
WITHOUT SCRIPTURE FOR WHAT THEY ARE TELLING YOU.
HOW DO YOU THINK JESUS CHRIST ON THE JUDGMENT SEAT IS GOING TO JUDGE YOU?
BY WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOKS !
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Revelation 20:12
The question is:
Why?
Because they are sinning against God.
Whosoever commits sin is of the Devil !!!
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1 John 3:8
They want you to rob God, be a Thief and GO TO HELL !
Don't believe them, They work for Satan.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
2 Corinthians 11:14, 15
OBEY JESUS CHRIST.
JESUS CHRIST ONLY TALKED ABOUT TITHES IN THE BIBLE ONE TIME RECORDED IN MATTHEW 23:23 AND LUKE 11:42
DO YOU KNOW WHAT JESUS CHRIST SAID ABOUT TITHES?
YOU OUGHT TO PAY THEM.
(NOBODY CAN BEAT JESUS CHRIST SAYING NOTHING).
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Hebrews 5:9
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Matthew 23:23
Abeg tithe is a good thing let us continue to pay it to God. This gifts and offering that people are doing anyhow can not be enough to run a church where we all go and expect much from. Am sure even that young pastor will not be effective without much fund. Stop deceiving ur self. If we cancelled tithe and giving is preached am sure many of us will give more than tithes
My question is to this pastor is that ,if tithing is the same as offering and gifts,why is it that whilst bringing our tithes they ask us to add gifts and offering?
The older pastor seem to be trying to input a word which is not in a bible passage, what would it have cost paul to call gifts tithe.In church we give tithe, offering,(pastor, welfare, first fruits.).Was apostle paul's thought when he was speaking or is he assuming things to back up his pro tithe.
2 Corinthians 9:7 New International Version (NIV)
7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
He is mix crossing the scriptures and it’s immoral to do that. PST Harrison is truly on point…
please to you all l have a question and my view regarding tithe payment: next post
Contribution and collections are by no means tithe. In all the scriptures referred, why didn’t Paul mention tithe? This man in blue tie should be feared and sent out of the studio.
This is not a debate. Only the old Pastor came to Speak. Good work Pastor Harrison.
Nobody says its wrong to give gift to pastor, this older pastor is just saying rubbish, this is about tithes not offerings and gifts.
Old man--Paul didn't mention about tithe there ,,he is talking about gifts and collections.
The Older Man is confused! Justifying his understanding with real fact
what were the occupations of Israelites in the old testament? where there white collars jobs that involves the earning of monthly salary as we have today? I have not yet read any bible scripture that says there were white collars jobs (please let me know if you are one). the Bible talked about tithing of the fruit of the ground and of animals becsuse agricultural produce and animal husbandry were the the only occupations in the old testament time ( please I only know in part...1 cor 13:9). Assuming some of the tribes of Israel were doing white collars jobs while others were into farming and rearing of animals, would tithe payment be limited to the fruit of the ground and of animals only? or the tribe's with white collars jobs would have done the same? (wisdom is profitable to direct). this is My very opinion: where ever you are working, whether as a banker, teacher, or in oil and gas industry that is your farm land and your salary is your farm produce. But come to think about it. if I pay tithe and at the end of my life when I meet Jesus only to be told I was not suppose to have paid tithe bcos am a new testament believer, would I be punished for obeying the scripture? But if you don't pay tithe now and latter you discover from Jesus that tithe payment was meant for both old and new testament believer, can you ask for forgiveness and you think you will be forgiven? Ignorance will not be excuse in the day of God's judgemen bcos the days of ignorance God has over looked. therefore seek knowledge while you are still alive.
Thank you for defending tithes payment, u make my heart strong.
With absolutely facts to support tithing!!!🙄🙄🙄
Tithe is for today's church God requires for us to pay our tithes if we don't pay our tithes.
One Elder says that "Anyone who do not pay tithe shall not make heaven" .... DO YOU BUY THAT? ... I don't ...Because that's not the the Gospel of Christ.