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It's the same thing that happened with Wharf Wharf could have been returned to the Klingon Empire when he was a a little kid but he was on Earth with human parents
All the more so considering Worf is essentially a mirror image of him, a child from a violent warrior race taken in by humans compared to Jonah, a human taken in by a violent warrior race. That contrast would've been quite interesting to see.
It would have complicated the dynamic between Picard & Jono, it would have made more sense to have Worf, but as they wanted it to be Picard they just ignored him.
True. But I feel that such a share on Worf’s part would have been misused with the current ending of the kid returning to his adoptive family (If the ending had been changed to him wanting to stay with his human family, then Worf’s story and the kid relating to it would have served a great purpose in bringing him back). We’ll never know but I think it was for best that way.
Did no one consider Jonah and his grandmother could have a relationship too? The dilemma is achingly artificial. Endar is a ship captain and the grandmother is a Starfleet admiral! I think visitation could be arranged ffs. Very underbaked script, so much potential left on the vine. The "Picard has to deal with a teen" is a weak premise at best, and Picard has already been dealing with a teen for years now! And the goofy ice cream scene with Wesley... really, that's the best use of Wesley in this episode?
I don't know if it's true, but it's possible that such a scene was written and possibly even filmed but like so many other scenes throughout this and many other series it may have been cut for time or pacing. That's one of the very nice things about streaming: Those episodes can be as short or as long as they need to be rather than having to always fit in a specific length to fit in a time slot with commercials etc. On TV, shows might run long and have to be shortened by cutting possibly great stuff. Or, it might run short and have to be filled with lengthened scenes or other tricks to fill in the space. All in all, though, I'm happy with how most episodes have turned out.
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The ending has a pretty big impact. If I recall, they always wear gloves because they don't want to "dirty" their skin by touching alien lifeforms or something like that. Plus the forehead touch thing is a tradition they reserve for family and loved ones. So him taking off his gloves, touching Picard, and doing the head touch is basically him saying Picard is family to him. You can see how that affected Picard after be beams off the ship.
The tradition of adopting in the children of a fallen enemy is prevalent throughout history and is depicted well in both Dances with Wolves and The Last of the Mohicans
Love this one. Not many shows take on CPS disputes and concede that the state might have the wrong picture only to try and smooth out the issue. Most takes just paint either side as monsters.
It's a middle of the road episode for me. I liked the details of the Talarian culture and it's a complicated situation. Imagine how awkward it has to be for Picard to explain this to that Admiral.
Jean Luc Picard. Storied captain of the flagship of the Fleet. Had his life stolen by his enemies, and refused to back down. One of the best leaders you could hope to have. When faced with a child, pisses his pants. I love that man. He has his flaws, but he's a genuinely good man. Kids can be far more scary than anything else in the world, and I've got four of them.
2:58 "His parents, Connor and Moira Rosa, were killed three years, nine months later when their colony was overrun by Talarian forces." Consider, that means Jono has lived among the Talarians since he was _three_ years old. Theirs is the _only_ way of life he knows.
@@RockBrentwood "...and you talk about that like it's supposed to mean something." I think it is. I mean, _I_ have a few, faint recollections from before the age of three. I remember thunderstorms; occasionally, and faintly. I don't remember quite how many or where they were, but I remember them _happening._ I know that my father was in the Army. There was a stretch, when I was very small, when he was stationed in Germany. My mother and I lived out there with him. I know all of this because my family has _told_ me about it, and they have shown me photos, but I have no _first-hand_ recollection, because I was way too young. I remember growing up with a dog; a Dutch Shepard. I lived with that dog until I was eight years old, but by that time, he was 14 which is _98_ in dog years. His body had deteriorated to the point where virtually every waking moment was a struggle, and he had to be put to sleep. I remember, he was a really good dog, so that was a very sad day, for me. But apparently, there's _another_ dog the family had, when I was very young. I know because, again, they've told me and shown me photos. But, again, I have no first-hand recollection. I can only conclude I was way too young. My first _clear_ recollection comes from when I was three. I was standing on the sidewalk in front of the house my family was living in, at the time. It was after sunset. It was raining and there was a sudden clap of thunder that _startled_ me. I had had previous experiences with thunderstorms, but I had had no _idea_ just how _loud_ thunder can be. That's my first clear memory. Everything before that comes from a way of life I remember in only the haziest generalities. How old was I? Where was I? Who was I dealing with? These are all things I don't remember.
The ending when Jeremy takes off his gloves and presses his forehead to Picard's...My take was always that Jeremy was showing that he has adopted Picard as his surrogate father.
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This was an average episode for me,the banana split to Wesley's face was-FUNNY-tho. Picard was more forgiving than i would be for that assault,but,he took it like a-CHAMP.
Wesley and Worf had a great deal of terrible, horrible experiences in common with Jona, I would have liked a scene or two exploring that, but I didn't write this episode.
0:35 The prop in the foreground of this shot was in many sci-fi shows although it is just set dressing and never attatched to any specific function. This has been the case for this particular prop for many years and it appears in 'Airplane II: The Sequel' where they actualiy say no-one knows what it actually does.
I can feel for the admiral. They kind of ignored her and her families feelings in all this. Suppose your son and only grand kid were killed in a terrorist attack, then 15+ years later you learn your grandkid is still alive, you would defiantly want him back. There was an easy compromise, take the kid back to live with his earth grandparents/family for a month or two, and then let him choose and then what ever he choose, he could still have a relationship both of his families (maybe visit his earth family every Xmas or something or his alien family on their big holiday).
The boy's alien father was willing to fight the Enterprise and go to war against Starfleet for his son's return,plus the boy did want to return to the only father he has ever known.
I was surprised that Picard didn't negotiate for there to be some periodic human presence in the boy's life. Almost like supervised visitation. Just so he'd have that connection. Of course, it might make his peers just see him as even more of an outsider which might not be good...
I think he may have played another TNG character also.. The episode where Troys Mother falls in love with a man who is the age where they voluntarily give up their lives... There planet is dying too I think...
@@andrewblanchard2398 You're absolutely right. Now that I think about it. Is it just me or do they kind of look a little similar? Maybe the makeup and stuff fooled me?
You are quite correct, Jen, in saying that this is a very middle-of-the-road episode. But it IS an eisode featuring Papa Picard, and for that, I aways give it a few brownie points, since I find those particular episodes amusing and entertaining.
This is an important episode that explores differnces of culture, and thinking yours is superior to others. A lot of that goes around in the Federation. And real life.
It's weird but I feel this episode is the exact kind of thing that Star Trek movies should be because you're right about it being under developed. You could easily add a few action sequences with the Talarians for the big screen but more importantly, the episode just barely explores so many interesting concepts like parenting, love, and self discovery. It's also a brief look into how different cultural norms affect our perceptions of people as I don't think Captain Endar is a bad guy at all. From his perspective, his son was kidnapped by people that he has fought many times and like many fathers, would have no issue going to war with those that hurt his family. If Wesley had been kidnapped, i find it hard to believe that the enterprise wouldn't attack whoever took him. I think building/showing PIcard's growing attachment to the boy would be really fun for his character. So there is this fun complicated political situation unfolding but everything gets resolved so quick. Worf should also have a larger role in the episode as he understands the warrior mentality and I think would understand and maybe even advocate for the boy's desire to return to Captain Endar which would create some fun interpersonal drama on the ship.
The actor that plays the alien captain is Sherman Howard... GREAT character actor. He starred in my favorite zombie movie of ALL TIME, George Romero's 1985 Day of the Dead. He played "Bub."
I was a teacher for 30 years and this episode relates to experiences I had with families where red flags of abuse were coming to light. As a mandated reporter, I had a responsibility to notify the proper authorities of any signs I had seen, even if proof was not definitive. I completely support Dr. Crusher's position.
Another great time watching TNG with Jen! Regarding the music, I think it was the volume that was the issue - it was so loud you could hear it in the corridor; it was disturbing other people on board the ship. Commercial break!
One of the best episodes, it shows how we (today) can not judge over others and can't assume things just because they are presented in a certain way. That Endar was willing to get annihilated in a total war, outclassed and outgunned by the Enterprise alone, was not desperation, it was just how his people are. When I first watched this i was also like "how dare he kidnap this child", but it turned out to be another "Worf" life story themed episode - a child, growing up in a foreign environment accepting this environment as their own, but also accepting their other side, but inevitably being drawn to make a decision. It's a brilliant episode.
I look forward to your completion of all of ST:TNG then the movies then DS9 then Voyager then Picard, then Prodigy, maybe Lower Decks before Picard then Enterprise, then Discovery, then Strange New Worlds. I unfortunately will be unable to be online for many years but will enjoy binging your journey when I return.
While this isn't one of my favorite episodes I think its a good example of what Star Trek was best at, it made you think, new Trek tells you what to think. With this episode I think about children of divorced parents, about how the courts decide who the kids get to live with, instead of listening to the kid and letting them decide, or a kid who's parents were killed in an accident and the kid is taken from the only place they have ever known and placed into an unfamiliar environment, how would you react? Would you understand? Would you just accept some strangers decision? I like shows that make you think
For me this was a good episode. It's very clear that the alien commander loves his adopted son. Even though his ships are no match for the Federation, he still is prepared to go to war. Also, eventually Picard and the boy make a connection, and in the final scenes, we see the love the father has for his son as Picard admits he made a mistake. Picard is finally, as the episode concludes, moved emotionally as the boy "hugs" Picard to say goodbye and thank you. I'm also intrigued by this alien race, and as the episode evolves, I wonder what it's like there and I get a sense of respect for their culture and customs.
This episode could have been a miss had casting failed . Fortunately, while largely unknowns, both the teen actor and his alien father were cast perfectly, and delivered a really beautiful and believable performance . In both of this week's episodes , we've seen Jen have questions that only experience with parenthood can answer ... -- even if those answers are sometimes somewhat humbling ... , as there is no one size fits all parenting guide, and children start to exert independence from the ages of 2-3 , ever since they understand the word 'no' , even when they understand little else , including your "adult explanations" . Some kids take those at face value . Others are infuriated either because they don't understand or because they think they know better or because it does / doesn't feel right . Anyhow, I'm rambling now, so I'll end with this suggestion : The most realistic tv regarding parents and parenting teens was a 1987 sitcom called "Rosanne" . The first couple of episodes have the "new show" syndrome, but in general it's the most eye level look at the charming shit show that a working class family can be . For me it's my #1 comedy, as like Trek, it has so much added humanistic thought and value to it's stories , and the episodes are realistic and sometimes bitter & honest look at the "average" people -- which is why it was so successful at it's time, and why it still works today ... , when many "hit comedies" from the past, just don't . It also has John Goodman, one of the best actors ever , and the most insane Halloween episodes, that inspired the crazy Simpsons Halloween episodes .
I like this episode. The actors playing Jono and the father did a great job with limited time to develop the characters. Plus I always wonder how Picard explained this to Admiral Grandma. I'm sure she'd very likely disagree with the Talarian method of adoption.
That's an interesting thought about Worf. He, too, was with his _biological_ parents who were killed in a sneak attack when he was very _young._ It might've been _more_ appropriate if Worf had been adopted and raised by _Romulans,_ given that they were the ones who carried out the attack, or if the sneak-attack had been carried out by the _Federation,_ but that parallel I've never picked up on, before.
Yeah, this is one of those episodes I tend to forget exists. It's not bad, but it does have a missed opportunity with Worf, as you said. And I think the whole point of Picard plowing forward with trying to convince Jonas to become Jeremiah again and forcing human activities on him is why at the end he says the only crime committed was by him for not respecting the kid's feelings in all this. As for him getting over being stabbed, well, you know, lots of people have tried to kill Picard over the years. That doesn't really bother him any more. Lol X)
Jen, I really like your comparison of Jeremiah and Worf: both orphaned children raised in an alien culture. Yes, it seems the writers missed an opportunity. You're sharp as always, Jen!
The irony of the episode is that it references Stockholm Syndrome while also giving an example of why that 'syndrome' is largely thought to be a myth. Thats not to say something like it has never happened, Hearst might be an example of a more legitimate case? Its just incredibly rare with almost every case being a misdiagnosis of the reality. E.g. The syndrome itself is named after a case within which they watched the police agitate the criminals at every opportunity, and when a hostage did get to speak on an outside line she was told she would just have to 'die at her post' because they werent going to negotiate. I.e. the fact that they were more hostile to the police was a perfectly logical reaction to the fact that the police were proving themselves more of a danger to their lives than the criminals were.
I don't dislike this episode but it's not a favorite. Patrick Stewart of course goes above and beyond with his acting and I love his exchanges with Troi. As always a great reaction Jen. Next Jen Sundays are the best. Many blessings to you and yours.
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Everyone on board the Enterprise is disciplined. Yes, there are families aboard, but generally, Starfleet is militaristic. Like a NAVY ship at sea. The crew is disciplined to orders and regulations. The boy is used to a different way of life. More free but also more harsh. Loud music might not fly on board the Enterprise. Though, I think the rooms might be soundproof. Anyway, the point is the boy is out of his element. Maybe as Picard was out of his regarding parenting and children. -OG
Starfleet is an organization of scientific exploration and discovery. It is certainly NOT militaristic. Militaristic means emphasizing readiness to wage war. Starfleet does not wage or start wars with any of the Federation members or other non Federation species of the galaxy. But Starfleet will step in to defend itself and other defenseless species from the more powerful ones that do start war.
@jarrodnewman0514 Obviously, it's not exactly the same thing as we have today. 24th century jump suits is hardly a combat uniform. I'm saying the discipline with orders and such is like a Navy ship at sea. Ay, ay, sir. That kind of thing. Starfleet's main mission might be scientific and exploration, but they are also the only defense to Earth and many other planets under the United Federation of Planets. So, they still hold the mantle of a military organization. It's just a 24th-century version. And we do see a more militaristic side of Starfleet, particularly with the Dominion War in DS9. Star Trek has also made references to being at war with the Klingon Empire in the past. Other threats still exist. Jen saw the temporary Klingon/Romulan alliance, which threatened peace in the galaxy. Let's not forget The Borg. They destroyed a fleet of starships. It's not a stretch in describing Starfleet as also a military. -OG
STAR TREK VOYAGER HARRY KIM plays his clarinet and his neighbor bangs on the wall TOM PARIS : " when they built this ship , they didn't think that anyone would be performing concerts in their quarters "
@jarrodnewman0514 Whether Starfleet starts a war or does not start a war doesn't define whether they are militaristic or not. Obviously, we know they don't start wars. But, the attributes of the military still exist within Starfleet. -OG
@@andrewblanchard2398 Perhaps it depends on the ship. Picard didn't seem to notice any noise until he entered the boy's room. Enterprise D carried families. Families can be noisy. Voyager didn't carry families. Perhaps that's the difference. -OG
I have seen many make a comparison between Jeremiah/Jonas and Worf, as both were raised by another people after their biological parents were killed in a war. But there is one major difference... After the Rezenkos rescued the young Worf, they contacted the Klingons to see if he had any surviving family. Presumably, if he did, then the Rezenkos would have returned him to them. But the Klingons, unaware that Kern had survived, told them that he had no living relatives. It is presumed that the Rezenkos then officially adopted Worf, in a process that satisfied all of the requirements for both Federation and Klingon adoption law. The Telerian who rescued Jeremiah did none of this. He kept the child, allowing the Federation to believe that he was dead. Stealing children from a battleground like this is a serious war crime, one which the Federation did not commit with respect to Worf because they had the Klingons' permission.
Makes me wonder if the story changed during production. The obvious orphan parallel, plus Worf seeing him doing the bnar and it’s similarity to the Klingon death howl and his music quite a lot like Klingon opera it seemed like Worf would be the babysitter but for some unknown reason that role became Picard’s.
I agree with allowing Jono to choose. Unfortunately, there’s a similar DS9 episode that has the opposite result. I won't say which episode until after Jen has seen it, so it’s not spoiled for her.
Actually, that's exactly what Star Treck is all about. The sci-fi scenario only serves as a stage for interpersonal relationships and the questioning of the real human nature!
I feel like this episode puts Dr. Crusher and Troy in a bad light. They're both so convinced that Jono is an abused prisoner that neither of them stopped to consider that he might have genuine feelings for his adopted father, or vice versa.
I feel like this episode missed an opportunity for Worf to relate to him about his experiences being raised in another culture and having two families. Good episode but would have been nice to see.
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I agree with you on the point of Worf. I even think, in a way, Data is also an child that was taken care of others not his father. They both should have brought their unique perspectives to the story.
Jono was dealing with both traumatic memories and an identity crisis at the same time - an enormous mental challenge. Picard and team were able to walk him through it. So much respect for Picard's behavior after the murder attempt. Not many people would have the presence of mind after being assaulted by a disturbed teenager to not immediately attack back. Instead Picard guided Jono with questions to begin figure out why they were trying to self-annihilate (he fully expected to be killed afterwards) and to begin to heal the scars and the conflict within. And then he let Jono make up his own decision. It was an act of tremendous emotional strength, maturity, heart and presence of mind by Picard. In turn Picard was rewarded with Jono's gratitude, love and trust. I didn't particularly like this episode when I watched it in syndication. Now I have much more respect after losing my own parents, therapy and recovery work.
Another great Next Jen experience. We have a long history of assimilating the young of our adversaries. Many peoples throughout history have done it. One of the most recent is with Ukrainian children. Most often, these children choose to remain in the only culture they know. Without delving into a multi episode story, we got the "Readers Digest" condensed version. Not the best story to tell, but it didn't suck. Peace and long life \\//-
I loved this episode. I always greatly enjoy the episodes that involve the cast having to face moral dilemmas. Though, it is true that it's hard to believe that they didn't use Worf at all for this.
This is not one of my favorites, but it happens to be the first TNG episode I ever watched and is what got me hooked on Star Trek in the first place. I mean, it's a good episode and it obviously interested me enough that I wanted to keep watching, but I've just seen a lot more episodes since then that I liked even better.
Excellent reaction yes the response to this episode was mixed to say the least back in the day for some reason there’s no halfway with Star Trek fans love it or they hated me. I appreciate all of them. They’re not all great them really bad a little because she’s a fleet admiral she’s very high up in the ranks. The card has dissipate orders, he’s the last of her family that would be serious. Perhaps But then he is the captain of the flagship anybody would suffer consequences get some crappy ass assignments. Thanks for the fun until next time.
Worf's situation was being raised as a Klingon (at his insistence) by Human parents. They shared their culture with him as much as he allowed, but they never suppressed his Klingon heritage. Being raised by captors in their culture only would be harder to reconcile, like deprogramming a cult member. Cultural differences aside, I do think it was better for him to go home.
"Commercial brake" has become a funny meme to me, i dont have them when i watch it on tv. And of course also not on stream. The meme would almost be missed if you would stop using it, Jen.
This was a filler/budgetepisode that they did a few of. In order to fulfill the number of episodes ordered but stay under budget they would write a few episodes like this where special effects aren’t used, have limited sets and don’t use many actors.
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You are getting closer to the premier of Star Trek DS9, if you want to watch the way all us fans did back in 93. When you get to Season 6 Ep 12, you can begin DS9. Then watch till you get to Ep 5 of DS9. Then watch them back to back like in 1993. First Ep 6 of DS9, then TNG Ep 13. It would be like a Saturday night of pure Star Trek Heaven. They will crossover at one point.
It's the same thing that happened with Wharf Wharf could have been returned to the Klingon Empire when he was a a little kid but he was on Earth with human parents
They really missed an opportunity by not letting Worf chime in about his parentage vs. his adopted upbringing.
All the more so considering Worf is essentially a mirror image of him, a child from a violent warrior race taken in by humans compared to Jonah, a human taken in by a violent warrior race. That contrast would've been quite interesting to see.
It would have complicated the dynamic between Picard & Jono, it would have made more sense to have Worf, but as they wanted it to be Picard they just ignored him.
True. But I feel that such a share on Worf’s part would have been misused with the current ending of the kid returning to his adoptive family (If the ending had been changed to him wanting to stay with his human family, then Worf’s story and the kid relating to it would have served a great purpose in bringing him back).
We’ll never know but I think it was for best that way.
Did no one consider Jonah and his grandmother could have a relationship too?
The dilemma is achingly artificial. Endar is a ship captain and the grandmother is a Starfleet admiral! I think visitation could be arranged ffs.
Very underbaked script, so much potential left on the vine. The "Picard has to deal with a teen" is a weak premise at best, and Picard has already been dealing with a teen for years now!
And the goofy ice cream scene with Wesley... really, that's the best use of Wesley in this episode?
I don't know if it's true, but it's possible that such a scene was written and possibly even filmed but like so many other scenes throughout this and many other series it may have been cut for time or pacing. That's one of the very nice things about streaming: Those episodes can be as short or as long as they need to be rather than having to always fit in a specific length to fit in a time slot with commercials etc. On TV, shows might run long and have to be shortened by cutting possibly great stuff. Or, it might run short and have to be filled with lengthened scenes or other tricks to fill in the space. All in all, though, I'm happy with how most episodes have turned out.
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The ending has a pretty big impact. If I recall, they always wear gloves because they don't want to "dirty" their skin by touching alien lifeforms or something like that. Plus the forehead touch thing is a tradition they reserve for family and loved ones. So him taking off his gloves, touching Picard, and doing the head touch is basically him saying Picard is family to him. You can see how that affected Picard after be beams off the ship.
The tradition of adopting in the children of a fallen enemy is prevalent throughout history and is depicted well in both Dances with Wolves and The Last of the Mohicans
Love this one.
Not many shows take on CPS disputes and concede that the state might have the wrong picture only to try and smooth out the issue.
Most takes just paint either side as monsters.
It's a middle of the road episode for me. I liked the details of the Talarian culture and it's a complicated situation. Imagine how awkward it has to be for Picard to explain this to that Admiral.
Yeah and... I think it's going to be worse for him than just being awkward. She'd probably have his command over this.
Jean Luc Picard. Storied captain of the flagship of the Fleet. Had his life stolen by his enemies, and refused to back down. One of the best leaders you could hope to have. When faced with a child, pisses his pants. I love that man. He has his flaws, but he's a genuinely good man. Kids can be far more scary than anything else in the world, and I've got four of them.
Picard showing more sides to him is always rewarding.
2:58 "His parents, Connor and Moira Rosa, were killed three years, nine months later when their colony was overrun by Talarian forces."
Consider, that means Jono has lived among the Talarians since he was _three_ years old. Theirs is the _only_ way of life he knows.
@@RockBrentwood "...and you talk about that like it's supposed to mean something."
I think it is. I mean, _I_ have a few, faint recollections from before the age of three. I remember thunderstorms; occasionally, and faintly. I don't remember quite how many or where they were, but I remember them _happening._
I know that my father was in the Army. There was a stretch, when I was very small, when he was stationed in Germany. My mother and I lived out there with him. I know all of this because my family has _told_ me about it, and they have shown me photos, but I have no _first-hand_ recollection, because I was way too young.
I remember growing up with a dog; a Dutch Shepard. I lived with that dog until I was eight years old, but by that time, he was 14 which is _98_ in dog years. His body had deteriorated to the point where virtually every waking moment was a struggle, and he had to be put to sleep. I remember, he was a really good dog, so that was a very sad day, for me.
But apparently, there's _another_ dog the family had, when I was very young. I know because, again, they've told me and shown me photos. But, again, I have no first-hand recollection. I can only conclude I was way too young.
My first _clear_ recollection comes from when I was three. I was standing on the sidewalk in front of the house my family was living in, at the time. It was after sunset. It was raining and there was a sudden clap of thunder that _startled_ me. I had had previous experiences with thunderstorms, but I had had no _idea_ just how _loud_ thunder can be.
That's my first clear memory. Everything before that comes from a way of life I remember in only the haziest generalities. How old was I? Where was I? Who was I dealing with? These are all things I don't remember.
"Yeah! Banana splits to murder!" We should make that the new "Heavens to Betsy".
The touching heads bit at the end is a real moment. Gets me, every time...............
"Any lifeforms aboard?"
Me: "Any sil-ly lit-tle life... forms!?"
Where...are...you...do-do-do do do do do.
The ending when Jeremy takes off his gloves and presses his forehead to Picard's...My take was always that Jeremy was showing that he has adopted Picard as his surrogate father.
Love your summary outros, gives a chance to know what's on your mind and hear what you didn't get to say while you were watching.
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"he got over being stabbed real quick"
well, it's not the first time he was stabbed
My head canon is this stabbing is the cause of complications in a future episode.
He's building up an immunity to them at this point
This is an episode I had completely forgotten about until seeing this reaction.
Jenn: "Those are randoms....will probably die".
Jenn has become quite genre savy with Star Trek lol
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I always liked Wesley, but I think a lot of fans enjoyed seeing him get a banana split in the face!
Well I mean banana splits are delicious so it pained me to see it tbh lol
This was an average episode for me,the banana split to Wesley's face was-FUNNY-tho. Picard was more forgiving than i would be for that assault,but,he took it like a-CHAMP.
Wesley and Worf had a great deal of terrible, horrible experiences in common with Jona, I would have liked a scene or two exploring that, but I didn't write this episode.
@@michaelfinlay6341 Agreed, and I liked how Jen connected Worf and Jona in her outro.
0:35 The prop in the foreground of this shot was in many sci-fi shows although it is just set dressing and never attatched to any specific function. This has been the case for this particular prop for many years and it appears in 'Airplane II: The Sequel' where they actualiy say no-one knows what it actually does.
I can feel for the admiral. They kind of ignored her and her families feelings in all this. Suppose your son and only grand kid were killed in a terrorist attack, then 15+ years later you learn your grandkid is still alive, you would defiantly want him back. There was an easy compromise, take the kid back to live with his earth grandparents/family for a month or two, and then let him choose and then what ever he choose, he could still have a relationship both of his families (maybe visit his earth family every Xmas or something or his alien family on their big holiday).
The boy's alien father was willing to fight the Enterprise and go to war against Starfleet for his son's return,plus the boy did want to return to the only father he has ever known.
I was surprised that Picard didn't negotiate for there to be some periodic human presence in the boy's life. Almost like supervised visitation. Just so he'd have that connection. Of course, it might make his peers just see him as even more of an outsider which might not be good...
About the stabbing, remember Picard has an artificial heart. I believe that attributed to his quick recovery. 😊
A mere flesh wound is no match for Dr Crusher and sickbay
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@@SilentBob731 LOL. It's usually Data who gets disarmed 😉
I think it's less the physical aspect and more the mental. I don't think I'd want to be anywhere near the little bastard that just stabbed me.
The alien captain is played by the same actor who played lex Luther on the old tv show superboy.
I think he may have played another TNG character also.. The episode where Troys Mother falls in love with a man who is the age where they voluntarily give up their lives... There planet is dying too I think...
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You're absolutely right. Now that I think about it. Is it just me or do they kind of look a little similar? Maybe the makeup and stuff fooled me?
Picard and Jeremiah/Jono were playing a sort of racquetball. It comes up a little in a future series.
You are quite correct, Jen, in saying that this is a very middle-of-the-road episode.
But it IS an eisode featuring Papa Picard, and for that, I aways give it a few brownie points, since I find those particular episodes amusing and entertaining.
This is an important episode that explores differnces of culture, and thinking yours is superior to others. A lot of that goes around in the Federation. And real life.
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It's weird but I feel this episode is the exact kind of thing that Star Trek movies should be because you're right about it being under developed. You could easily add a few action sequences with the Talarians for the big screen but more importantly, the episode just barely explores so many interesting concepts like parenting, love, and self discovery. It's also a brief look into how different cultural norms affect our perceptions of people as I don't think Captain Endar is a bad guy at all. From his perspective, his son was kidnapped by people that he has fought many times and like many fathers, would have no issue going to war with those that hurt his family. If Wesley had been kidnapped, i find it hard to believe that the enterprise wouldn't attack whoever took him. I think building/showing PIcard's growing attachment to the boy would be really fun for his character. So there is this fun complicated political situation unfolding but everything gets resolved so quick. Worf should also have a larger role in the episode as he understands the warrior mentality and I think would understand and maybe even advocate for the boy's desire to return to Captain Endar which would create some fun interpersonal drama on the ship.
The actor that plays the alien captain is Sherman Howard... GREAT character actor. He starred in my favorite zombie movie of ALL TIME, George Romero's 1985 Day of the Dead. He played "Bub."
I was a teacher for 30 years and this episode relates to experiences I had with families where red flags of abuse were coming to light. As a mandated reporter, I had a responsibility to notify the proper authorities of any signs I had seen, even if proof was not definitive. I completely support Dr. Crusher's position.
Another great time watching TNG with Jen!
Regarding the music, I think it was the volume that was the issue - it was so loud you could hear it in the corridor; it was disturbing other people on board the ship.
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Hi Jen, it's just fun to see which episodes stands out to you. Great analysis as always😊
One of the best episodes, it shows how we (today) can not judge over others and can't assume things just because they are presented in a certain way.
That Endar was willing to get annihilated in a total war, outclassed and outgunned by the Enterprise alone, was not desperation, it was just how his people are.
When I first watched this i was also like "how dare he kidnap this child", but it turned out to be another "Worf" life story themed episode - a child, growing up in a foreign environment accepting this environment as their own, but also accepting their other side, but inevitably being drawn to make a decision. It's a brilliant episode.
I look forward to your completion of all of ST:TNG then the movies then DS9 then Voyager then Picard, then Prodigy, maybe Lower Decks before Picard then Enterprise, then Discovery, then Strange New Worlds. I unfortunately will be unable to be online for many years but will enjoy binging your journey when I return.
Great observation regarding the lack of LtCdr Worf in this episode.
I would have liked to have seen the obvious Worf parallels explored too.
i thought this was a very useful way to show Troi's powers, she can sense life on other ships and that they can can be injured!
While this isn't one of my favorite episodes I think its a good example of what Star Trek was best at, it made you think, new Trek tells you what to think. With this episode I think about children of divorced parents, about how the courts decide who the kids get to live with, instead of listening to the kid and letting them decide, or a kid who's parents were killed in an accident and the kid is taken from the only place they have ever known and placed into an unfamiliar environment, how would you react? Would you understand? Would you just accept some strangers decision? I like shows that make you think
“Squash”? *ahem* “Space Squash” 😂🖖🏽
"I can give you the Space Soup or the Space Special."
For me this was a good episode. It's very clear that the alien commander loves his adopted son. Even though his ships are no match for the Federation, he still is prepared to go to war. Also, eventually Picard and the boy make a connection, and in the final scenes, we see the love the father has for his son as Picard admits he made a mistake. Picard is finally, as the episode concludes, moved emotionally as the boy "hugs" Picard to say goodbye and thank you. I'm also intrigued by this alien race, and as the episode evolves, I wonder what it's like there and I get a sense of respect for their culture and customs.
This kid would go on to play one of Dr. Quinn’s children on “Dr. Quinn: Medicine Woman”
This episode could have been a miss had casting failed .
Fortunately, while largely unknowns, both the teen actor and his alien father were cast perfectly, and delivered a really beautiful and believable performance .
In both of this week's episodes , we've seen Jen have questions that only experience with parenthood can answer ... -- even if those answers are sometimes somewhat humbling ... , as there is no one size fits all parenting guide, and children start to exert independence from the ages of 2-3 , ever since they understand the word 'no' , even when they understand little else , including your "adult explanations" .
Some kids take those at face value . Others are infuriated either because they don't understand or because they think they know better or because it does / doesn't feel right .
Anyhow, I'm rambling now, so I'll end with this suggestion :
The most realistic tv regarding parents and parenting teens was a 1987 sitcom called "Rosanne" .
The first couple of episodes have the "new show" syndrome, but in general it's the most eye level look at the charming shit show that a working class family can be .
For me it's my #1 comedy, as like Trek, it has so much added humanistic thought and value to it's stories , and the episodes are realistic and sometimes bitter & honest look at the "average" people -- which is why it was so successful at it's time, and why it still works today ... , when many "hit comedies" from the past, just don't .
It also has John Goodman, one of the best actors ever , and the most insane Halloween episodes, that inspired the crazy Simpsons Halloween episodes .
I like this episode. The actors playing Jono and the father did a great job with limited time to develop the characters. Plus I always wonder how Picard explained this to Admiral Grandma. I'm sure she'd very likely disagree with the Talarian method of adoption.
@2:46 If Leonardo Dicaprio and Mark-Paul Gosselaar had a baby. lol.
13:33 What is "handcuffed a little bit"? Lol so cute.
That's an interesting thought about Worf. He, too, was with his _biological_ parents who were killed in a sneak attack when he was very _young._ It might've been _more_ appropriate if Worf had been adopted and raised by _Romulans,_ given that they were the ones who carried out the attack, or if the sneak-attack had been carried out by the _Federation,_ but that parallel I've never picked up on, before.
Yeah, this is one of those episodes I tend to forget exists. It's not bad, but it does have a missed opportunity with Worf, as you said. And I think the whole point of Picard plowing forward with trying to convince Jonas to become Jeremiah again and forcing human activities on him is why at the end he says the only crime committed was by him for not respecting the kid's feelings in all this. As for him getting over being stabbed, well, you know, lots of people have tried to kill Picard over the years. That doesn't really bother him any more. Lol X)
I think Worf embraced his differences growing up while this kid wanted to shed them.
Jen, I really like your comparison of Jeremiah and Worf: both orphaned children raised in an alien culture. Yes, it seems the writers missed an opportunity. You're sharp as always, Jen!
The irony of the episode is that it references Stockholm Syndrome while also giving an example of why that 'syndrome' is largely thought to be a myth. Thats not to say something like it has never happened, Hearst might be an example of a more legitimate case? Its just incredibly rare with almost every case being a misdiagnosis of the reality.
E.g. The syndrome itself is named after a case within which they watched the police agitate the criminals at every opportunity, and when a hostage did get to speak on an outside line she was told she would just have to 'die at her post' because they werent going to negotiate. I.e. the fact that they were more hostile to the police was a perfectly logical reaction to the fact that the police were proving themselves more of a danger to their lives than the criminals were.
I don't dislike this episode but it's not a favorite.
Patrick Stewart of course goes above and beyond with his acting and I love his exchanges with Troi.
As always a great reaction Jen.
Next Jen Sundays are the best.
Many blessings to you and yours.
I like the "Jen's Channel Favs" list on your channel Home Tab. You and I share five all-time favorites, and probably more to come. I think you need to add 2001 to the list.
It's on there if u open the whole Playlist 👍
@@jenmurrayxo OK, thanks, I didn't realize you only see part of the list on the Home Tab.
Everyone on board the Enterprise is disciplined. Yes, there are families aboard, but generally, Starfleet is militaristic. Like a NAVY ship at sea.
The crew is disciplined to orders and regulations. The boy is used to a different way of life. More free but also more harsh. Loud music might not fly on board the Enterprise. Though, I think the rooms might be soundproof.
Anyway, the point is the boy is out of his element. Maybe as Picard was out of his regarding parenting and children. -OG
Starfleet is an organization of scientific exploration and discovery. It is certainly NOT militaristic. Militaristic means emphasizing readiness to wage war. Starfleet does not wage or start wars with any of the Federation members or other non Federation species of the galaxy. But Starfleet will step in to defend itself and other defenseless species from the more powerful ones that do start war.
@jarrodnewman0514 Obviously, it's not exactly the same thing as we have today. 24th century jump suits is hardly a combat uniform. I'm saying the discipline with orders and such is like a Navy ship at sea. Ay, ay, sir. That kind of thing.
Starfleet's main mission might be scientific and exploration, but they are also the only defense to Earth and many other planets under the United Federation of Planets. So, they still hold the mantle of a military organization. It's just a 24th-century version.
And we do see a more militaristic side of Starfleet, particularly with the Dominion War in DS9. Star Trek has also made references to being at war with the Klingon Empire in the past. Other threats still exist. Jen saw the temporary Klingon/Romulan alliance, which threatened peace in the galaxy. Let's not forget The Borg. They destroyed a fleet of starships. It's not a stretch in describing Starfleet as also a military. -OG
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@jarrodnewman0514 Whether Starfleet starts a war or does not start a war doesn't define whether they are militaristic or not. Obviously, we know they don't start wars. But, the attributes of the military still exist within Starfleet. -OG
@@andrewblanchard2398 Perhaps it depends on the ship. Picard didn't seem to notice any noise until he entered the boy's room. Enterprise D carried families. Families can be noisy. Voyager didn't carry families. Perhaps that's the difference. -OG
I have seen many make a comparison between Jeremiah/Jonas and Worf, as both were raised by another people after their biological parents were killed in a war. But there is one major difference...
After the Rezenkos rescued the young Worf, they contacted the Klingons to see if he had any surviving family. Presumably, if he did, then the Rezenkos would have returned him to them. But the Klingons, unaware that Kern had survived, told them that he had no living relatives. It is presumed that the Rezenkos then officially adopted Worf, in a process that satisfied all of the requirements for both Federation and Klingon adoption law.
The Telerian who rescued Jeremiah did none of this. He kept the child, allowing the Federation to believe that he was dead. Stealing children from a battleground like this is a serious war crime, one which the Federation did not commit with respect to Worf because they had the Klingons' permission.
Makes me wonder if the story changed during production. The obvious orphan parallel, plus Worf seeing him doing the bnar and it’s similarity to the Klingon death howl and his music quite a lot like Klingon opera it seemed like Worf would be the babysitter but for some unknown reason that role became Picard’s.
Another episode with the zappy red laser prop!
I agree with allowing Jono to choose.
Unfortunately, there’s a similar DS9 episode that has the opposite result. I won't say which episode until after Jen has seen it, so it’s not spoiled for her.
I wish Johnny and Jen were MY parents 😎🫡 Another GREAT episode of TNJ!!! 🖖
Actually, that's exactly what Star Treck is all about. The sci-fi scenario only serves as a stage for interpersonal relationships and the questioning of the real human nature!
And thats good because the Sci-Fi part is pretty shit :D And that is coming from a hardcore fan that does Science in real life
I feel like this episode puts Dr. Crusher and Troy in a bad light. They're both so convinced that Jono is an abused prisoner that neither of them stopped to consider that he might have genuine feelings for his adopted father, or vice versa.
I feel like this episode missed an opportunity for Worf to relate to him about his experiences being raised in another culture and having two families. Good episode but would have been nice to see.
You know whats funny? I saw most episodes of Star Trek a while back, and I mean like og, TNG, Voyager, DS9 as well as the animated lol and even though I watched them all like twice, I still miss them lmao. I highly suggest looking into the movie Stargate as well as all of the SG1 series if you appreciate Star Trek. I never really got into any of the Star Trek video games, but No Man's Sky kinda helps to scratch that itch at least a little lol. 🖖
You're right Jen. Not the greatest episode. Nice reaction as always.❤️
I agree with you on the point of Worf. I even think, in a way, Data is also an child that was taken care of others not his father. They both should have brought their unique perspectives to the story.
Jono was dealing with both traumatic memories and an identity crisis at the same time - an enormous mental challenge. Picard and team were able to walk him through it. So much respect for Picard's behavior after the murder attempt. Not many people would have the presence of mind after being assaulted by a disturbed teenager to not immediately attack back. Instead Picard guided Jono with questions to begin figure out why they were trying to self-annihilate (he fully expected to be killed afterwards) and to begin to heal the scars and the conflict within. And then he let Jono make up his own decision. It was an act of tremendous emotional strength, maturity, heart and presence of mind by Picard. In turn Picard was rewarded with Jono's gratitude, love and trust. I didn't particularly like this episode when I watched it in syndication. Now I have much more respect after losing my own parents, therapy and recovery work.
I agree with Jen. Worf should have been a bit more. It was a midsed opportunity.
Keep up with the show. I love revisiting them through Jen's eyes.
Hi Jen hope you are having an great and awesome day ❤
Thanks John you too ☺️
Season 5 episode titled Disaster puts Picard in an interesting scenario regarding children.
Season 4 is pretty heavy on familial themes. Family, Brothers, Suddenly Human ALL have had elements where family is involved in some way or another.
I don't know why they didn't use the holodeck. He could run around in the holodeck. To blow some steam off. Or kill something.
"get him in the holo-deck let 'em rock out..." Jen is prepared for motherhood.
As a Marine vet. I understand completely. Pain is weakness leaving the body. Complete the mission. Ignore pain and survive.
Another great Next Jen experience. We have a long history of assimilating the young of our adversaries. Many peoples throughout history have done it. One of the most recent is with Ukrainian children. Most often, these children choose to remain in the only culture they know. Without delving into a multi episode story, we got the "Readers Digest" condensed version. Not the best story to tell, but it didn't suck. Peace and long life \\//-
I loved this episode. I always greatly enjoy the episodes that involve the cast having to face moral dilemmas. Though, it is true that it's hard to believe that they didn't use Worf at all for this.
Picard has OCD and not comfortable with children, gotta love it😊😊😊
This is not one of my favorites, but it happens to be the first TNG episode I ever watched and is what got me hooked on Star Trek in the first place. I mean, it's a good episode and it obviously interested me enough that I wanted to keep watching, but I've just seen a lot more episodes since then that I liked even better.
They should have asked the child to visit his grandparents at some point and maybe become a bridge between the two civilizations
15:03 Captain Picard looks so sad to see him go 😢
Its an interesting run of episodes from 2 to 4, all with a family theme, i dont think that happens again ďuring the series.
I hope the it crowd reaction is coming soon!
Excellent reaction yes the response to this episode was mixed to say the least back in the day for some reason there’s no halfway with Star Trek fans love it or they hated me. I appreciate all of them. They’re not all great them really bad a little because she’s a fleet admiral she’s very high up in the ranks. The card has dissipate orders, he’s the last of her family that would be serious. Perhaps But then he is the captain of the flagship anybody would suffer consequences get some crappy ass assignments. Thanks for the fun until next time.
Star trek inside joke. Talarians, Tellarians, Terrellians. And every other variation are used throughout the series.
Intercultural dealings are hard. The best solution is not always the one we deem ethically appropriate, and that is why I like this episode.
There sure are a lot of family-related episodes in Season 4...
Neve like this one. Was a good idea. Maybe I’m bias cause I never liked Chad Allen and also the whole wolf howling thing was dumb
Hi Jen!😊 This definitely seems like an episode that was not completely developed. I would put it in a lower ranking of all the episodes.😉
Big :) for you Jen, thanks
He was raised by the Talarians. It seemed like they were forcing him to be human.
Kinda different but interesting! Now you know why Picard doesn't like children! Stabbed in bed! Frig! Frig! Frig!😁 Thanks for sharing Jen ❤️💛
Worf's situation was being raised as a Klingon (at his insistence) by Human parents. They shared their culture with him as much as he allowed, but they never suppressed his Klingon heritage.
Being raised by captors in their culture only would be harder to reconcile, like deprogramming a cult member. Cultural differences aside, I do think it was better for him to go home.
Cunningly sadistic of Picard to bring him into a support where the ball bouncing makes the same sound as weapons fire.
It's an episode I've franky forgot and don't watch on a rewatch.
"Commercial brake" has become a funny meme to me, i dont have them when i watch it on tv. And of course also not on stream. The meme would almost be missed if you would stop using it, Jen.
Worf should have howled with him.🐕🌖
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This was a filler/budgetepisode that they did a few of. In order to fulfill the number of episodes ordered but stay under budget they would write a few episodes like this where special effects aren’t used, have limited sets and don’t use many actors.
Just one of several "custody battle" episodes. Not the most memorable, but sincere.
Thanks jen