Why is Violin So Hard?
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In Today’s video, Joel Kennedy talks about why it is so hard to learn the violin and what the difference between learning the violin and other instruments that make learning the violin so difficult.
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Thanks, Joel! These tip videos are the best! My bucket list songs are Orange Blossom Special & The Devil Went Down To Georgia! I'll need all the luck I can get!
@@john564holloway Ya, those are great pieces. I loved those when I was a kid but never played them. I'm sure you don't need luck, just awesome practicing! 👍
Playing acoustic n electric guitars 56 yrs so since I mastered that I'm trying violin now lessons once a week from a symphony violinist but because I do have experience at guitar violin is totally different I'm progressing slow but your explanation in this video is correct true it's tough but for myself holding a violin is tiring after 15 minutes cause of posture balance With guitar you hold it anyway you want and it's always in a comfortable place but violin I'm starting to need a neck brace it's very uncomfortable My question is will this uncomfortable feeling go away? I'm going to continue taking lessons once a week but after 2 lessons I'm getting sound off it I'm playing the Titanic theme my heart will go on so it's coming along just that the transitions are tough Seems that the shifting in the holding a violin is screwing me up Any advice?? Your channel is very understandable and fluid thank you
@@tompetty5085 Hi Tom, it's really hard to answer this question. The problem is, the guitar is easier to learn than the violin in the beginning but gets really hard as you progress into the more advanced techniques. However, It's safe to say that you are a "master guitar player" because of the years you've played. Therefore, just about any new instrument is going to seem really tough for you because guitar comes so naturally to you at this point. It's really is a matter of relativity. If your teacher is setting you up with the correct posture/set-up, then it'll be uncomfortable for at least several months, but you'll get used to it. If the set-up is poor, then after many months, you'll still have trouble holding your violin up properly without too much pain/issue. It really comes down to how much you practice and the quality of your teacher. It can be difficult to ascertain which option is true because the violin is somewhat unique, in that it is very difficult in the beginning but gets easier, whereas most instruments are easier, then get hard...
@@KennedyViolins yep thanks for advice well 3 weeks in I get a lesson every Saturday I'm into vibrato three string play two string chords bridge position on bow thumb position on neck slides to higher octaves chromatic scales bow placement frog to tip so I don't practice but few times a week for 20 minutes but he sees my progress and turning me on to more advanced techniques yes it's difficult but I'm determined I'm pooped out now after an hour lesson today it's stressful concentration but it's going well since I learned guitar by ear I'm doing the same on violin I tried learning online tutorials off RUclips but that didn't show me first hand right from wrong so thanks for supporting me taking your time to reply I appreciate that 😊
Thx. I gave up before i even start.
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Lol
The key is to relax guys.
All instruments can make music. but violin can sing.
Well said!
Flute
Wow well said did you come up with that yourself
@@freshdumpling yep I did. And I keep saying it often to people.
@@alisbai4376 that's a really beautiful one
I teach myself to play violin and the first few months are completely discouraging. my wife even asked me if I could make the sound silent...It takes enormous patience and practice. and also a stiff on the shoulder.
OMG 😹😅😂🤣
Making the sound becomes silent
That's rough, buddy 🤣😹🤣😹
Have you thought about an electronic carbon fiber violin? When the sound isn't turned on they are fairly quiet.
- same here - and to add to my wife's disapproval, my dog would howl when I practiced!
I understand. After many hours of practice, my wife asked me, "when is it going to start to sound like music?". Not very encouraging.
I’ve always loved the violin, but have been too intimidated to learn. One of my clients (who didn’t know I love it) was downsizing for a move and asked me to take his. I saw it as a sign, subscribed to your channel for guidance. Wish me luck 😳🤞🏽
hows it going
I am new also and I highly recommend learning a fun tune first, mine was "Cluck Old Hen". I tried twinkle twinkle first and quickly got sick of it and put the instrument down for a year. Now I can play (sort of) four old timey tunes and never tire of them because they have good melodies. Their is a reason they have been played for 200 yeqrs.
0:49 1) Independent Hand control : My son plays tabla so he's quite used to controlling either hand independently. So most probably violin maybe "easier" if it's not the first instrument you learn. Either that or you just put in the patient practise to train both hands to move independently.
02:10 2) Counterintuitive technique : If you think of it as playing the violin rather than holding the violin it starts making more sense. To "play" the violin you need to be able to move hands smoothly, lightly and quickly rather than hold in a fixed vice grip.
3) No frets/Play by Ear : Listening to lots of music from a young age is key to developing a good ear. Best part is it's a lot of fun and can be done for a huge amount of time. Just play the Music in the background. Instrumental music esp can be heard in the background while doing most work or otherwise without distrubing you.
4) Violin is Hard to hold :
Hindustani/Carnatic violin is played sitting down. The violin is held pointing down and resting on the ankle rather than being gripped by the chin and shoulder as in the Western method.
05:50 5) Sounding good on the violin :
a) weight vs speed
b) thin vs thick strings
c) position between bridge and fretboard.
My 10 year old daughter how to play twinkle twinkle and mary had a little lamb in two days. Now I'm thinking about buying my own violin at 33.😄 this is going to be fun. Thanks for the information sir.
Well damn who was her teacher
pretty impressive she can play Stevie Ray Vaughan interpretations in two days!
I’ve been playing the violin for around 9 years... how did I not quit within the first week 😂😂
By your self?
@@Kokyhassan1972 no, had a teacher and everything, I started when I was in 4th grade lmao
@@anisha8435 sameee I started in 3rd grade lol
Im in orchestra, and I'm playing the violin in 6th And 7th. It took some practice but I'm a good violin player at it!
I’m learning to play the violin on my own. I find it easier to catch on playing songs with longer notes it helps me build my muscle strength. It is also helping me learn the notes and the position my body needs to be in to play certain notes. The faster songs are a little more difficult because you jump from one position to another kind of quickly.
So basically, if learning to touch type on a computer keyboard was like learning the violin:
1- Half the keyboard would be turned 90 degrees so your hands would be in different planes;
2- It wouldn't have any letters or numbers printed on it, so you'd be forced to experiment with and memorize what each key does;
3- You'd have to apply a specific amount of force with your fingers for each key, not more and not less than required, otherwise the letters on screen would come out looking wonky;
4- You'd have to control the specific amount of speed you press the key with as well, not too slow nor too fast;
4- Each individual key would require a different amount of ideal force and speed, so you'd have to learn each one separately;
5- the keys would not be evenly spaced, with keys being more spaced out on one side of the keyboard and more cramped together towards the other side.
Let's take a moment to thank the heavens that computer keyboards are not violins.
Agree.
A very long time ago, I managed to drag the bow across one string one time and made it sound like a violin 🎻 . Never happened again.
I picked up violin fast I guess. At one week end I could play smile songs I knew. At a month I could play simple Irish and country tunes. At six months I was going to music jams. If I listened to this guy I would have never started.
Passionate about it is important if you're beginning to learn violin it is very helpful
Always helps!
I started violin at 6 years old. I remember in kindergarten when I did NOT have a violin yet I got my Elena of Avalor guitar and then I got a stick from pickup-sticks and I pretended I played the violin😂😂😂😂😂. Right now I am so good I can even OUIDO on piano and violin. Right now I am still on book 2 and I am suppose to learn vibrato at book 4 but then I already know how, I taught myself how to do vibrato, my violin teacher said to me "since you already know how to do vibrato, you will learn vibrato in book 3" and I was so excited, the time my teacher told me that I was still book 1. Hope you liked my story
Nice videos. I find there are many string teachers but few trained teachers, which is an art form in itself.
Sometimes I practice 4-7 hours a day and I'm still very bad at the violin. It is the hardest instrument ever
Don't worry, you'll improve with time. If you keep on with it.
You are over practicing. Focused practice can mostly last only one hour for most people cause it requires intense concentration. So next time u start to practice start playing veeeery very slow, focus and relax your body. The more you focus the faster the results cause focused practice will allow you to recognize mistakes and ultimately fix them. Good luck 👍
Omg that's long maybe you think you're bad but you must be good
as someone said, you're probably over practicing. I'm 2 hours max and playing an Irish reel after 3 weeks. The biggest progress i make is after i'm forced to leave it fir 2 or 3 days because of lack of time. I've played lead and rhythm guitar for 30 years and a big secret is to target your playing: concentrate on slow and accurate. Then leave it and let the muscle memory consolidate whta you've learned. Speed will come of its own accord.
@@Poreckylife very true playing as slowly as possible is what no teacher mentioned but it works miracles
I started when I was too young to know that at six years of age, the violin was difficult to play.
I think the guitar is just as difficult in that up and down on the strumming hand and the horizontal motion on the fingering hand.
The fingering distances change on a guitar, too. Perhaps all stringed instruments are complex in the same way.
Love your videos. I’ve been teaching myself and I can almost play “Twinkle, Twinkle little star” and it mostly sounds right...lol.
Makes me realise I need a good teacher.
From your profile pic, it looks like you are a trumpet player, so I'm sure you'll do great. Having a good ear is half the battle!
TheGholiday Practice!
I started taking lessons 3 months ago and my neighbour might complain sometime...
WoW... good to know what Im getting myself into 😳
Very insightful
My mom was a violin teacher, I know every standard piece for beginners by hard, because I had to listen to it all day during my childhood.I still wonder, what love for teaching she must have had, because sometimes it must have been really hard. Every other day she would come to my room during a lesson, sit down and say: "Guess, which piece it is." , because the student learned the piece so wrong at home :D
You see that empty blackboard behind the strings? You are supposed to mark that up with whatever musical scheme you are using. For example with violin, most pieces are in the key of D, so you would probably want to mark your violin fingerboard with a standard heptatonic scale in the key of D. Or you could just leave it blank like a fool...
I tried violin, wasn't my cup of tea. I am a piano guy myself!!
I loved learning this instrument 🥰
Awesome!
Having the right sized violin for the person is also very important. To big or too little and it's more difficult to play. I'm a small adult, with little hands. A 7/8 or 3/4 is a better fit for me than a 4/4. Much easier to play in tune.
Reason no five is getting a poor quality instrument can make a big difference especially for beginners
So You Keep on Practice
Your Violin Study Music
Practice Tonight
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Busy Days Of Violin Study Music Progress
Meeting For Violin
Studying Classical Music Title: Symphony
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It takes as much time to handle any instrument and just after he says violin is hard at the begining...
For having practice many instrument the violin is the hardest and takes practice for many more stuff than other instruments. Also with the violin i feel like i am more connected to what i am doing sound wise. With other instrument i mostly feel like the instrument is playing the sound more than i am
left/right hand have to be in sync, even a half mm distance on harmonics will sound weird, off string passages, and how to not choke with fast excerpts. Havent even "mentioned" the control of left hand pizz and double harmonics...
Two years in and still struggling....
hey i saw you on one of joy lee's videos
Keep going 💪
is it normal to repeat the "wait, there's more!" at 6:56 several times because of the way he delivers it? Reminds me so much of the Technology Connections guy.
My bosses purchased my Louis Carpini from your store, as a Christmas gift last December. I love it. And my teacher is impressed with it, he recently recommended it to another student. I appreciate your videos, they are very informative and entertaining, thank you. I do have one question. Was my violin made in Italy? There’s Italian writing inside of it, but wanted to confirm.
I'm glad to hear that you are enjoying your Carpini and I appreciate your comment! Regarding your question, the complete answer is probably a lot longer than you'd like but the shorter answer is that, most violins these days are made from components from all around the world and violins are no different. I don't know the whole story with this particular brand but the design is heavily influenced by typical Italian design and methods (hence the Italian name). Most violins are like this but the difference between our violins and most sub-several thousand dollar violins is that every instrument goes through our shop in WA state where our luthiers meticulously assemble and set them up before being sent to the customer. Most violins in this price category are assembled and set-up in China and then sent to the US, and then a retailer simply sends them to the end customer. This is the reason why your teacher was impressed by the violin because most student violins are set up very poorly and hard very hard to play. We have a video that shows our workshop here: ruclips.net/video/F4QOLAOKwmk/видео.html . I hope that long but short explanation helps. Let me know if you have any other questions!
Got my zuback a year a go and i love it
Thank you for the video! This was very helpful😊
Nice summary! One last point though. I feel the left hand position changing when moving across the strings or up the neck into the higher positions. You don’t really have that near as much on the guitar, if you’re holding them in the proper position in relation to your body. Especially easy fingering on guitars with ergonomic body cutaways, unless you need to bring over your thumb for certain chords. Violin forces your left-hand digits to always have the proper pitch angle in relation to the string, whereas on a guitar with frets there’s a lot more leeway for a good note.
Ya, agreed. There are many things that make violin so hard! I just wanted to keep it to 4 points because my videos get too long sometimes and I'm afraid my audience will drift off into snooze land. 🤪
Kennedy Violins - LoL Understood. It was just an addendum comment to one of your 4 points 😉
@@shipsahoy1793 👍
Violin sometimes takes even a month to learn basics and play beginner level songs.
I wished I could have watched this video when I started violin in 1978. hehe Instead, I just dove right in not really knowing what I was doing.
Thanks for the comment. It's amazing how information is so easily gained these days because of the internet. It makes you wonder where we'll be in 50 years!
Yes, indeed, and I want to stick around indefinitely to find out. ;) Meanwhile, currently, among other things, I am practicing the solo part in ruclips.net/video/uInUkHElPYM/видео.html. It's lots of fun!
Michael Tisher it’s a nice piece.
@@ForeverDokkan , yes, definitely!! :)
Coming from someone who has been playing the violin for 5 years, I can understand why there's no frets (enabling the fingers to slide up and down the finger board). But why in the world are there no markingss? It seems an effort to make it more difficult to play, and vibrato a means to fudge missed notes. I have put marks on my finger board!
Probably because it legitimately looks a lot prettier without markers in the fingerboard. 🤔 And to make it easier to glide up and down the strings without hurting your left hand fingers of course as you pointed out.
Luckily we have got an alternate to violin now, chromatic harmonica.
I've just started learning to play the violin at the age of 54. I seem to be having some difficulty getting my 2 & 3 fingers close together. My instructor says I have larger than usual hands for playing the violin. I've always considered my hands average on size but is it true that one's hands can be "too large" for playing the violin? Or are there any sort of "tricks" I could learn to help with my "big hands"? Recommendations would be great. Thanks.
The simplest way to answer your question would be to say that everybody has physiological challenges to learn the violin. Some people may have big fingers, some may have small fingers, some may have double joints etc etc. This is common and all of these challenges can be overcome with good practice techniques and time. If you look online, you will find people that have mastered the violin with vastly different body types. Anybody can learn the violin. It is just a matter of determination, proper practice, and time. Learning the violin is very difficult for everybody but only the most determined and committed will succeed. I've taught hundreds of students over many years that have vastly different situations. All of them can be successful, as you can. 😉
vibrato is my mountain climber. I know but I just cant get it. Its going to take awhile.
Thanks for convincing me not to start with the violin. I know I’m not willing to put in that much work. I’ll stick to working on the piano, and eventually graduate to the guitar.
😂
I have had a desire to learn to play the violin, my daughter bought me a 3/4. I'm 66, do you think I have a chance. I have operated cranes up to 500 ton, I think I have a chance, what do you think? Will desire get me there?
You absolutely can learn the violin. It is extremely difficult and frustrating in the beginning but the key is consistent practice and playing things "correctly" as many times as you can. Don't fall into the trap of playing something until you get it right. Instead, focus on playing a passage or exercise so many times correctly, that you can't play it wrong. Practice doesn't make "perfect'. Practice makes PERMANENT.
I think of starting the Violin🎻🎻🎻
7:48 didn't know you could wah-wah with the bow. I'm going to do a violin cover of Voodoo Child.
How many times will take to learn violin
Can I learn in 3 month
Did you say that if I have ANY chance of playing in tune, I’d have to press my fingers on the strings thousands, and thousands, and thousands of times? 😳
Yup. Over the course of several years, this is the reality. That's how we develop the neural connections in the brain. 😉
Thank you!
Your welcome! 😀
is there an advantage to lean violin if you master the guitar?
I don't think so. My friend's guitar teacher decided to start learning the violin one day and he said it was tremendously harder than the guitar and he was having a pretty difficult time. So it probably doesn't help very much, except giving you a head start on ear training.
So i learnes to play the trumpet, violin, and guitar, and tmid say the trumpet was easiest, the violin wasnt really that hard, and the guitar was hell
What is that Two guitar performance at the beginning of the video??
Haha. No idea! The editor of the video just threw that in there and I'm sure they wouldn't be able to find it. Sorry about that. They look like they are having a great time though. 😜
I am 14 years old boy, I want to buy a good violin for the first time, Can you suggest me what size I should buy ?please suggest me few brands\models too. Thank you
Hi DJ . At 14, you should be easily able to play a full size violin (4/4 size). Many 10 year olds can play and just about all 11 year olds can, so chances are you are fine with a full size. And, of course, the company I recommend for your first violin is Kennedy Violins! www.kennedyviolins.com But you can buy good violins at other places as well, you just have to make sure that they have a longer warranty than 30 days and set-up your violin before they send it to you. Let me know if you have any other questions. 👍
Hi Kennedy, which one do you want to ship for a just turned 32 years from a developing economy, Nairobi - Kenya 😄 . I've settled on you.
I just broke 2 A strings 😭
Yikes. Maybe you should play an A on the computer/phone constantly while tuning the string, to make sure you don't tune too high above A. 😉
Hello chandler from friends
Hello Chandler. I would've picked Rachel instead. Just sayin...
How do I produce a good tone on the violin?
Maybe this will help! ruclips.net/video/2n8pnOyYVVw/видео.html
*Me learning different shifting fast-paced fingerpicking patterns while doing Barre chords on my Ukulele:* 👁👄👁
Anything could be difficult and anything could be easy it depends on your interest , concentration and dedication towards your goal.
Any way thanks for the video
I learned a lot of things about violin
And I believe if one has mastery in vocal they can learn any instrument easily and efficiently
It’s not hard. Just some practice.
I was just thinking getting a violin for my birthday and then i saw this video I think i will give up.....but no i wanna learn so bad do u think i could really play?? And btw im 14
Is there a Chin rest that's flat? NO uncomfortable lips that just don't fit my chil.
I just got my first violin. The G-string is quite difficult to get much sound out of. Do I need more rosin or better strings??
Well, it's impossible to know why there is trouble with the G string. If you didn't buy the violin from Kennedy Violins and from another supplier online, it's possible that the G string is too close to the fingerboard because sometimes set-up is an issue. If it's from KV, then it's possible you just need a little more rosin on your bow.
اين اللغة العربية ألسنا معنيين
3:43 *and that's why I'm never letting go of my stickers*
meanwhile, my teacher's peeling them off one by one
LOL
1:38 who is this pianist from hell?!?
There is a video from a channel/twosetviolin. 10 reasons that violin is the hardest instrument.
No, they are much funnier than I am. 😬
Can you talk about "Why physics, chemistry, mathematics are so hard to learn?". I bet you don't like physics, chemistry and mathematics.
Well, I think there are plenty of opinions out there about this question but my take on it is that the sciences like chem, physics, and math are more difficult than studies such as history, English lit, etc because they require memorization AND practice. When you take a history test, your memory is simply being tested. When you take a math test, your SKILL is being tested. You can't just regurgitate an answer, you have to SOLVE for the answer. The only way to solve for the answer is by memorizing equations and PRACTICING them to find a solution. The answer is unknown to you and is not simply memorized. Not only is much more dedication and focus required to master math, but it is also an accumulative skill like the violin. You can't master calculus without first mastering basic algebra. likewise, you can't master the Tchaikovsky concerto without first mastering Suzuki. :)
Here I am again :D
I cringe when he mentions "thousands of hours"... because there's no escaping it
Bullshit, I know guitar, piano and violin. Violin is the easiest actually
Oh...... much words about NOTHING !!!!!