Line 6 POD VS. The World: Can Deep Editing Save the Bean?
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- Today in Plague Scythe Studios, the classic Line 6 POD faces off against a selection of contemporary digital modeling technology across numerous amps and effects!
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I have an old first gen pod in my closet that I don't use anymore. This video dives into a lot of things I've thought about and always wondered. Liking your comparison videos. Thanks for making this!
You’re dead on. Used modeling “amps” are an amazing bang for the buck for bedroom recorders. I went from a pod hd black bean to the helix, but like you said, non guitar players would give 2 shits about tiny tone differences. My pod hd sold for $150. The helix was $1000. 100% sure friends wouldn’t know the difference
sporkcrx i returned a helix and bought a pod hd for exactly 150. No regrets. Probably gonna get a floor unit for my tube amp+cab and use the bean with my computer. I dont really care about the finer nuances, a chuggy amp and some basic delay or reverb and im good.
Not one bit! I doubt the regular person off the street would be able to tell a Peavey Bandit from a Friedman (not head to head, of course), or even if they could, they don't care, seriously, this "gear talk" I think has gotten a little out of hand (I'm as guilty as anyone else), especially in the last 5 years or so, with RUclips exploding like it did, I never heard so much gear talk in my previous 30 years of playing the guitar as I've heard in the past 5 :) It's all good, like I said, I love gear too (and have way too much of it), but other than "us", no one cares, they are there to listen to your music
After being in the recording game for years I've learned one thing - the average listener doesn't give a shit want you use, nor can they tell the difference between this and that. The only people who actually care are obsessive weirdos, gatekeepers, and folk like me who have to know about those tiny differences. However, I love the PODs, and I strongly advise any beginner to pick one up to get started with tone crafting, FX, recording, and they can even buy a power amp later down the line. The only thing that really lets them down is the high gain sounds, but even then they're not unusable. The quality of the cleans and effects are case enough to get one.
I like the riff at 20:07. Very nice!
PSS saves the day on slow Fridays I'm up at work twiddling my thumbs. Some interesting conclusions here as well. Thanks for sharing!
Side note: I'm also a Mesa clean fan and I don't think it gets any better than the clean channel on an Electra Dyne. I hope one day it shows up on the channel, but it's relatively obscure and definitely an acquired taste.
Since you are doing all these I suggest to cover the boss katana line. Lots of people will watch it and you're the only one I trust to do it right. Hint, no one has so far
Maynard Coolidge id just stay away from katana, at least for metal
@@fredriksvard2603 really?
jimmey dean hiya absolutely. Plugins are better until you get to evh/mesa etc tube amp level.
@@fredriksvard2603 when i plug the katana into the pc i get loads more amps.more than the original 5.
jimmey dean hiya but none of them are very good
I loved my POD 2.0 when I got it. Upgraded the chip to 2.3. I was starting with guitar and I was amazed how this thing sounded. Then came the POD XT (I didn't like it much), then the Boss GT8 that left me a bit cold and finally my AXE FX II XL+ which I love but I really enjoyed the "hated" original red bean. Fun times!
29:20 the mooer setup sounds really good for a couple of hundred in tiny pedals. thinking of doing this for backup rig to chuck in the guitar case
The Mooer Pedals are very versatile, I picked up the Radar and three different premaps to use as a make shift rig for practice. I even bought an Fx loop to put in between the Radar and the Preamps to utilize the Four cable method like you would for a real rig. I am currently in the process of making a video on make shift rigs as well I often find myself watching this guys videos because of how well informative he is.
AWESOME VIDEO!!! THANKS FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO!!!
What I've learned here is that the Mooer stuff is actually pretty good. Might have to get me that Mark IV one if it's as good as the rectifier one.
2.0 sounded a lot better than 1.0 with a power amp. They corrected the "no cab" setting.
Nice to know, I'm looking into an EPROM upgrade for future content
The 2.3 version is the best.
I have used the POD XT with amp models bypassed and just used the time based fx. That works great too, use the foot controller FBV and you have real time control. I have done a video where you can't see the POD XT. But it was used for tape echo and reverb. I used Orange Micro Terrors and EHX English Muffin and BD-2. Got killer sound.
try running a stereo tube preamp after the POD. I used one hidden in side a power amp with a POD XT and the sound guy was flipping out about the sound.
Cool comparison. I’m not much of an effects guy but it’s cool to see the old Pod effects are still decent.
I picked up a Pod Pro recently, it’s on 1.2 firmware (equivalent of the Pod 2.0 on 2.2) and it’s a lot more blanketed sounding than my Pod 2.0 bean on 2.3 firmware (the final one). I’ve got a 1.3 eprom for the Pod Pro coming though, which is the equivalent of 2.3 for the bean. Apparently improvements to the ‘no cab’ happened in that final update. I can confirm though, my bean sounds great into a power amp and cab, but the Pro on 1.2 doesn’t, really.
If you want to continue the Pod comparisons, I’d skip the XT and get the X3, same modelling but it includes all the amp models. With the XT, if you want all the amp models, you’ll have to buy the Metal Shop, FX Junkie, and other model packs. Or buy an XT that already has the packs installed.
PodFarm is also XT models, but in plugin form.
I guess I have a soft spot for line 6 as I started playing electric guitar with a PodXT, went away from them for a long time, but that ‘Line 6 sound’ must be engrained in my mind or something, because I always come back.
I too have a 2.3 EPROM on the way (hopefully, assuming it doesn't get lost between here and Italy). Glad I'm not wasting time on the Pro then and can continue content with something that should sound better.
I can't find reliable sources either way, but is the modelling architecture truly the same between the X3 and XT? The name would certainly suggest it, and I'm aware of the expansion pack situation. I was simply under the impression the quality difference was more akin to something like the AXE FX II vs AXE FX original rather than a relatively minor firmware update.
If that's the case though, I'll certainly follow your advice when I tentatively aquire a representative of the other POD generations. Thanks!
XT and X3 (and podfarm and Vetta) are indeed all the same modelling tech. Though they all differ slightly in their layouts and flexibility. For instance Vetta and X3 can do dual amps, though they both do it slightly differently.
I never did a direct comparison as I sold my XT then a couple years later got PodFarm, but all my old XT patches were compatible and sounded like I remembered. I remember when the X3 came out and I was so disappointed it was the same modelling repackaged.
As far as sound quality differences between them, I’m sure there are slight differences, as they’ll likely all be using different converters, slightly different processors, etc. But the underlying models/modelling is the same. You can check the manuals for the various products and check the amp lists.
I guess when you change architecture there is probably gonna be some minor differences, for instance the Pod 2.0 was updated in the mid-2000’s to operate off flash memory rather than Eprom, so it can be updated via midi. I’m told these ones sound slightly different despite being the same amp models as the eprom 2.0 (though I haven’t tried one yet). You can differentiate them based on physical appearance - the eprom Pod 2.0 pedal input is labelled ‘Pedal’ where the flash version is labelled ‘FBV Pedal’. Also, one-digit screen vs three-digit screen. Then you’ve got stuff like the pocket pod which is flash Pod 2.0 but smaller.
Excellent, good to know. I knew about the signal routing differences, but I'm glad the Vetta tones are possible on both generations. Sounds like the POD vs POD video I want to do eventually will simply comprise of my updated 2.3 vs an X3 vs HD, so that saves me some time and money.
Nice comparison.
Guitar rocks! 🎸🤘
I'm a real gear novice. Is the Pod 2.0 any good as a just an earphone amp? Like a glorified amplug? I have a Pocket Pod but I my eyes don't like the tiny dark screen.
Very cool! more POD 2.0 with real amp videos pls brou
On the xt I also use the bottom shelf EQ around 300 HZ, with a 4-6db cut, notch some 200-350hz, boost 3-3.6kHz a few dB and roll off the high end fizz with an aggressive 12 dB cut at 7-11kHz to taste. I can send you an Xt live if you’d like to toss it in the mix.
lmao i still use the pod hd it works great but u need to eq it for the most part.The onboard cabs suck a$$ lol.
Good Video!
Line 6's cab have always sucked. Lol
on the line 6 when you access the hidden features, can you save your own presets and have it use those hidden features when you call up your preset? even if you use midi and the app to access the hidden features?
Well, pairing a radar with a pod isn't a bad idea at all, it also does post eq which is great: It doesn't eat the headroom inside the modeller.
People may remember how, the pod XT paired very well with external eq digital or analog. That hi end problem: You couldn't really eq after 8Khz in the pod XT as well...couldn't wake it up inside the modeller.
It's really logical: Imagine a frame in which you have to paint the sound amplitude, that is its headroom. So if they allowed for more hi end etc,...it would make the less of the signal content less loud in response (to fit the hi end increase as a peak inside the frame).
But if this "problem" is after the line out of the pod (digital or what not), probably accompanied by extra amplification of the signal, then the better for it.
That combination worked really well for the pod XT and it was with the behringer deq. Which was also midi controlled, high headroom etc.
What line6 did, though, much much more important that what other companies did later on.
The first time my mind was blown away was in a concert on a jimi hendrix tribute.
Some bands played with amps, fender combos, marshall stacks, etc. The blues player (incidentally the most hendrix-y of them) played with a flextone or what was that head and he gave the signal direct on the board. Immediately every effect and sound sounded clearer than the others. I had to know what it was. He was also the local line6 at the time (around 2001). Made me listen to samples miced from his amps and re done with the pod 2.0 etc...So close (for the time). Mind blown away.
81giorikas great comment!! I always get the idea that most people bashing Line 6 don't get how revolutionary their products were
The Magicstomp is my favorite amp modeler. Besides Kemper of course.
Could you maybe do Marshall Code 50 or any code.I'm hooked on mine.
My wish is to find someone who does a test with more cleaner solo/arpeggio/comp sounds. As I wrote that, you just start a sample of clean sound.
But what I actually mean is if you could compare the different POD’s with a more clean sound and more bluesy sounds. Many like to compare.
Even though i like this review.
Thank you 🙏
Nice video! Yeah 2019 isn't a good year for the dried and shriveled up bean.Time and technological advances dumped a big turd on that thing except for the reverb/delay.
Cool....I'm a tone who're
I like the details and technology talk.What is the difference between a cab sim and an Impulse response ?I have heard the term a few times and it's something that sounds like a a important thing to know.I have had line6 stuff and always enjoy it.thanks.
You prob found your answer, but a cab sim is the program that uses impulse responses (IR's). IR's are .wav files that are loaded into a cab sim.
Got one of these yesterday, start at SD overdrive, into pod, then into Fender Rumble 40 bass amp, then to Focusrite, not too bad, but without the fender amp, kinda drab.
My viper 1000 then boss ge7 to the bean then orange micro dark to Orange inspired 2x12 actually surprised the shit out of me
LOL! I preorderd one in 96-97'? I just wanted the Rectifier and I thought it was OK. I never got the firmware update. I got it for a preamp and found it couldn't handle a EQ scoop as the sound was not dense enough. :/ Bummed. LOL
Nothing like a 39 minute video on polishing a turd..lol I had a pod pro and it was ok. I picked up a hd pro x awhile back and it was pretty cool but last year I sold that and picked up the helix. Line 6 has come a long way...lol
The Helix even got the Glenn Fricker seal of approval. That says a lot
@@johnclyde3385 went from x3 to helix a couple of months ago . its like going from the stone age to star trek . the stuff you can do is just crazy , especially when you hook it to a computer for 8 track audio
The XT/Pod Farm sound is amazing in the mix when you eq the 600-800 sweep around there is always a shitty weird frequency and take out the high end hiss at 3800-4100.
FYI, having used the X3 and XT myself quite a bit, I find they didn’t really do any better into an IR. Tried it with wall of sound and couldn’t get anything authentic. Could be me but just a heads up.
What boost pedal do you consider the best?
And, in case it's not the tubescreamer mini, how does the TS mini fair against it? Is it a big difference?
I wouldn't say there's a best, which is why I own so many drive pedals. My favorite clipping diode pedals are the Boss SD-1 and its derivatives which can be had extremely cheap compared to even mini TSs. See the pedal head episode on those two for an in depth comparison.
For contemporary material, a good old 7 or 10 band EQ is my go to to drive the high mids and cut the lows.
@@PlagueScytheStudios Thanks for answering.
When you use the EQ pedals you still clip de signal by setting the level higher, correct?
There is no clipping within the pedal itself like there is on a tube screamer, but you may be clipping the input of the amp you run it into.
Does it sound better than vst for recording an album?
I still use the PodXT for demos.
with multi effects,if i get a tuner,2 good amps,2 good effects,and a recording interface..its a bargain imo.
i never liked their dirty much.cleans were great imo.effects some were great imo.
There is load of pops clipping and scratching on the guitar tracks.
Grandpa guitars! Lol.