The North | Uniting the North Let's Talk Lore Part 01
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I always wished Dynasty Warriors would flesh out Yuan Shao's faction and give him a full campaign. There are so many interesting stories there.
The climate discussion at the start was super interesting! I really enjoy the lore series.
Around this time in the West, the crisis of the 3rd century of the Roman Empire also occured. I always ponder on the effect of climate change on crop supplies, desease and normardic invasion effect relation to both huge crisises in 2 biggest empires at the time at around the same period
its definitely related. So things like the 1600 eruption also caused the Great Russian Famine from 1601-03 leading to what is called the Time of Trouble for them which would also last for more than a decade. Like the smaller temperature drop in the 3rd century is probably less troublesome but at the same time, health standards and farming techniques were also worse. And it would explain why "northern barbarians" would heighten their activities south
In a way, the 3rd Century Crisis's continuation of droughts (brought upon by climatic disasters such as a super-volcanic eruption somewhere in SW Oceania) kinda affects all of the East Asia, and that of the Three Kingdoms', military campaigns, from Shu and Wu's northern offensives (even hampered due to the eventual consequences made by Lu Meng's Invasion of Jingzhou, thereby diminishing the effectiveness of the Longzhong Plan) to campaigns in Goguryeo.
Oh no, shifting a mertocratic faction war is proceeding to have consequences. Thanks for the video.
General Who Quells the North Serious Trivia with another 3K Let’s Talk Lore. Keep it up, good sir!
General Who Instructs the Barbarians
Chase of the Yuan is like that meme with the little girl in bicycle being chased by an orangutan
Wow, Keep churning out these Lets talk lore series.
the goal this year is at least three a week so hopefully I can keep it up
@@SeriousTrivia Thank you, as someone who mostly enjoy the era from romance stand point and next to zero knowledge to chinese language. Your channel has been my largest source of historical records and stuff. Perhaps this is a very big ordeal for you, but is it possible if you expand the series into other? Like the stories of wang mang,s rebellion? The huo qubing's campaign or other han related stuff? Even better if we can have a deep dive for chu-han contention. Thanks alot.
The long term goal after three kingdoms is completely covered which I think will take a while is to then go to the beginning of the Spring Autumn and start there going all the way to Three Kingdoms and then proceed from there to Jin and so forth
@@SeriousTrivia Thank you, im very sure those content will improve my knowledge.
Yuan Shao was the unfavored so and he was mistreated by his family and then he goes and does the same to his son. Truly destructive family cycles are the worst I fear and hope that if i ever have kids I can avoid that
Xiahou Dun: Yo, Mengde! Maybe it’s time for a vacation, eh?
Cao Cao: Nope, I must tie up loose ends and secure the North for myself. After that, I shall seize the South and China shall be united under my banner!
Cao Pi: Yo, dad! I have a wife
Cao Cao: Who’s the lucky girl?
Cao Pi: Her name’s Zhenji
Guo Jia: What? You married Yuan Shao’s daughter-in-law?!
Cao Cao: I am so screwed
Marrying a rival’s daughter is pretty tricky, knowing that there might be a plot that is cooked up. One example would be Oda Nobunaga’s marriage to Saito Dosan’s daughter with the latter getting special orders from her father to kill the fool aka Nobunaga
Really loving your lore videos. This period in history is fascinating.
Love your channel! Thank you for your great work!
Another Lore series! I love these so much. Thank you for keeping this going!
When the Yangtze river freezes you know it's cold
Love it. Thank you very much!
So it begins, the final demise of the Men of the Yuan.
In two years, a guard cavalry formation created by the Caos, out of the experienced veterans of the clashes in the Baima crossing, would eradicate the eldest of the Yuan of Hebei.
If only Yuan Shao had lived a few more years the North may well have remained a bastion of his Clan well into the later conflicts.
Serious Trivia really happy to see you continuing to pump out the let's talk lore series. Particularly covering some of the less focused on parts of the history like Cao Cao's campaigns to unite the north which I find often are simply described as "Cao Cao defeated Yuan Shao at Guandu and then conquered the north". Keep up the god work.
I also however have a slightly unrelated question to this video. I know and there is evidence Liu Yan wanted to become Emperor but I am curious as to whether his ambition was to position himself as the rightful Emperor of the Han or to overthrow the Han and establish a new dynasty as 3 kingdoms total war suggests? Would like to hear your thoughts.
As a member of the royal family there would be no reason to overthrow the Han. If anything it would be just the hopes of his branch replacing the current branch
@@SeriousTrivia Thanks for the answer.
Serious Trivia please upload your Let's Talk vids as podcasts!
Also Being someone from South of Yangzi, based on what I know of my ancestors immigration patterns they moved South from Shandong due to Wang Mang as well.
I will look into this
All the funny things Emperor Sima Yan did in his victory
Awesomeness.
What are your personal thoughts on Yuan Tan? I feel that he is another competent general who got the short end of the stick due to corruption and favoritism.
Sort of true. I think from the little historical record we have on him. He was a decent commander (although beating Kong Rong isn’t exactly hard) and he was a well loved in Qing in the beginning but he did rely on some people with poor character and that kind of ruined his image among the people of Qing. Like he is probably very similar to his dad actually. Like grew up in a gentry clan so got educated in Confucianism and thus was more or less a gentleman himself and favored lenient policies but was a poor judge of character. Like Xin Ping, Xin Pi, and Guo Tu ended up being his close advisors and they were either not talented or not loyal.
There's the like, I will wait a little to binge on it e.e
I have been a fan of Romance of the three kingdoms games ever since I first placed NES Romance of the Three Kingdoms.
Watching your Total War: Romance of the three kingdoms let’s play rekindle my childhood memories. Also a very large reason I picked the game up.
I am enjoying this series and hope you have plans to go back to the Total War let’s play of RTK. Even if you do not, keep up the great work , your content is excellent and easy to watch over and over. xiè xiè!
There are plans to return to a few campaigns this years. Just have a flood of new games launching at the beginning of the year so taking a short break
Yay new series but pls do series on cao wei and the sima rise
I mean we are slowly inching towards that in the time (like chronologically, we should probably cover Liu Bei entering Shu next which links up well with Ma Chao's rebellion since we have already covered Chi Bi). Then it should go into the Hanzhong Campaign and Guan Yu's Death, which would flow into the formation of the Three Kingdoms. Along the way, we need to do some Wu catch up with Sun Quan's story line following Sun Ce's death and their betrayal of Guan Yu leading to the Yiling Campaign. After that, we can have the Northern Expeditions which would bring out Sima Yi's rise within Wei.
@@SeriousTrivia iam eager for all of it
Cao Pi challenged Cao Zhi to compose a poem that must be done within seven steps or else he’ll die and the topic is about brothers but there’s a catch: the word “brothers” must not be present anywhere in the poem and thus, Cao Zhi created the Seven Steps Poem which happens to be the theme of the Total War: Three Kingdoms Eight Princes Trailer.
Cao cao: time to break that golden spoon yuanny boys!
Xiahou dun: can’t wait coz
Southern China should be more populated now rt? I mean gigantic cities like Chungking, hk, and Shanghai all pledge allegiance to sun ce. Climate change just means loss of mandate o heaven hehe 😜 isn’t shen pei the dude who doesn’t know his stuff? Too many characters to remember now.
excellent video
Does the north remember?
i wish tw3k has a dynasty warriors 9 mod instead of what we got call dynasty warriors 9 empires
Yea like I know DW 9 Empires is going to be shit but like I still feel the urge to play it to confirm it…it’s really sad
@@SeriousTrivia same, i already preorder the 20th anniversary box and standing by the decision because of what an impact the 3 and 4 had on me as a kid.
I have a question
when do you think that the south eclipsed the north in population?
best data on it I could find was
1193AD Song: 27.85M
1195AD Jin: 48.49M
source: The Population Statistics of China, A.D. 2-1953
Author(s): John D. Durand
It would definitely be around those time periods as you have a massive migration during the Song as the Jin gained more and more land. I don’t think you will ever find a hard date since A. Population records was not accurate in that time period given only taxable household figures were recorded and B. It’s also hard to tabulate populations in the north since who are we counting here, the Han population left behind in Jin and Mongol occupied north or are we including Jin and Mongols as part of that and what records are we going to use for the northern population.
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from the same paper: "If the true average size of households in the Southern Sung empire is taken as 6 persons, the population of that area at the end of the twelfth century can be estimated at roughly 75 millions and the total for the combined territories of the Sung and Ch'in comes to almost 125 millions"
also friend of mine also told me that these stats usually don't show servants or serfs
Yes these do not include the slave population or 奴籍 since these figures were compiled more or less for tax purposes
Off topic question, where the heck is 江干 in Joseon Korea?
Very very off topic….so do you have like context because just terminology wise, 江干 literally just mean the bank of a river just like Guan Du without the historical significance would just be “official crossing”
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I swear, I blame my Chinese teacher XD
is it known who exactly gave the order to have sun ce ambushed and killed?
no order needed really. Xu Gong got killed by Sun Ce and his family and house guests were out for revenge. Assassination was pretty common and Cao Cao went through a fair bit of assassination attempt himself. Sun Ce's main issue was that he was a bit reckless and not cautious enough.
@@SeriousTrivia so it was xu gongs house guests? i thought it must be someone close to the sun clan as they knew where to find him out hunting etc.. you truly are like an encyclopedia for the three kingdoms period, thankyou.
That explains his Reckless Luck mechanic in TW
Wish I can go back in time and give modern technology to the Kingdom of Chu during the Spring and Autumn period
Interesting you are a fan of Chu since Chu and Qin are both regarded as the barbarians of the seven warring state kingdoms
Xiang Yu has many fans
But he said the Spring Autumn period not the post Qin period…very different Chu
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A Chu with Modern Technology would unite China much earlier and have less of the problems China had/has
The Chu Dynasty takes over most of the world, bans slavery and is much more like the modern UK
Less Legalism and Confucianism. No Nomads.
I mean Qin did unite China. They even tried to burn all Confucianism books and buried scholars alive in masses…look at where it got them
Благодаря и Поздрави 👍
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Do you think something like this could have happened to wej if Cao Cao had died at Chibi.
Definitely would have been a setback. And without firmly setting an heir there might be a bit of picking sides between Cao Pi and Cao Zhi but given how motherly and stately Lady Bian handled a lot of situations, it probably wouldn’t have gotten that bad. Now could the Han Loyalist used the opportunity to weaken the Cao Clan influence, sure, but with the army still under their control I don’t think there would be too many big picture changes
If Cao Cao dies at Chi Bi, there’ll be a civil war within Cao Wei in which Cao Pi will triumph and focus on waging war against Liu Bei and Sun Quan who are eager to score some land and loot after the victory at Chibi. Sun Quan suddenly stops his land grabbing conquests and secretly rebuilds his armies (Zhou Yu survives since Wu didn’t march to conquer Nanjun) and keeps a low profile while Liu Bei merrily goes for all the lands under Liu Zhang and Cao Cao’s control. Worried about Sun Quan’s recent actions, Liu Bei assigns Pang Tong to Jing Province in order to watch the movements of Wu (Pang Tong also avoids his death) and Cao Pi tells Zhang Liao, Yue Jin and Li Dian to guard Hefei Castle and thus, the stalemate begins as the Three Kingdoms try to observe one another’s movements.
With Liu Bei and Cao Pi about to wage war at Hanzhong, they both ask Sun Quan to aid either one of them and Sun Quan “complies” by sending his forces to prepare for an assault against both Liu Bei and Cao Pi and the forces of Wu (also featuring Taishi Ci who avoids his demise at Hefei) lay an all out siege against the lands under Cao Wei and Shu Han
🤔 my eyes mistook your eastern han map as korean peninsula map, then i realize that korean peninsula map is in the right corner, btw what is yellow color at the upper left side? That doesn't seem to be connected by Gansu , Gansu seems blank
My bad😐 That gansu corridor was "hided" by Yuan Shao and Cao Cao🤣
In these series lu bu's death is included ?
I have not done a separate series for Lu Bu's death but his story line can be pieced together with Cao Cao's series, Yuan Shu's series, and even a little from our Yuan Shao series. He is probably important enough to do a short series (like around three episodes to just dedicate to himself) but in the grand scheme of things, Lu Bu's death wasn't that important.
@@SeriousTrivia lu bu: 😭😭😭
@@orirotem2298 good riddance
Can you please tell me why cao cao's mother lady ding is not present at the 190 194 and 200 campaigns ? when she died and how ?
I mean even though it was never recorded historically, it would be logical that when Tao Qian killed Cao Song, his mother would have gotten killed then too. Like it was recorded that Cao Cao's younger brother died then too. Also Lady Ding, being the wife and not the concubine would mean that she was not Cao Cao's birth mother. The game is very inaccurate with the wives by the way, like most of the wives in the game basically made up and put there so you cannot exploit marriage diplomacy
@@SeriousTrivia so its not 100% sure that ding was cao cao's mother ? I pitied her for nothing ?
@@SeriousTrivia and i must ask why dong zhuo's mother wasnt at the 190 start date she was still alive at this time dong's clan was wiped at his death at 192
I mean adding wives into total war three kingdoms means adding another character to your roster that is A) generic and B) going to cost your faction salary on launch when families wasn't free salary and costed 150 each so I am sure for balance reasons a lot of "mothers" were not added since they were not essential to the story. Like its a game first and not a historical simulator so not having extra generic characters is understandable
@@SeriousTrivia ik but she atleast desered to live her last years around her sons she was 88 at 190
well Three Kingdoms era is the second largest anthropogenic disasters death toll after the World War 2
not quite, since the drop from 65 to 23 is not really attributed to the Three Kingdoms period. And not the closest the Han came to becoming extinct. Like following the Eight Princes Rebellion, the Five Nomadic Invasion that followed dropped the Han population probably to a historical low of around just 4 million.
@@SeriousTrivia would u ever fancy the idea of doin the 5 nomadic invasion lets talk lore series?
@@johnathonbatz662 I have a whole community post at the beginning of the year outlining the future of let’s talk lore after three kingdoms. You might need to dig a bit in the community post but it should answer your question