Greetings to all of Shawols! If you knew the youtube account SHINee SHAWOLs that is my old youtube account. But I wasn’t able to use it because I forgot my password, so help me guys to bring back my thousand of viewers from my old account let’s continue it here in my new account. SHAWOLS FOREVER HERE!!! 🧡
He is irreplaceable. His vocals are so powerful & moving. I can’t watch this without crying. Jonghyun you did more than well. You will be loved and missed always.
Almost 3 years later and entertainment companies still don't take mental health seriously. Give your artists the help and rest they need! Stop stigmatizing mental illnesses! I miss you and love you Jonghyun ❤
You are one hundred percent right. K-Pop fangirls and boys are a huge part of the problem too, feeding right into the management fantasy that these groups work like dogs "for them," and all the other hogwash. It's very sick.
This young man was such an incredible tallent. He had such phenomenal vocal skills. What a shame that he was unable to get the support and help he needed instead of feeling so lost and alone that he couldnt see the bright shining future that was his for the taking. What a terrible loss.
I agree 100%. I can't even look at the 4 remaining Shinee and their new songs...I used to watch only Jjong and he isn't there. It's too bad that the Korean culture looks down on mental diseases which may explain why most of the members somewhat left him to his own devices. I seem to think that w/ the internet, one can find answers about anything...like Depression. It's a horrific disease. I still cry to this day.
I ALSO AGREE 100%WITH YOU BECAUSE IF HE WOULD HAVE BEEN MY SON,,I WOULD HAVE DONE EVERYTHING FOR HIM TO SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP WITH THE BEST PSQUIATRIST IN THE WORLD,MONEY WASNT THE ISSUE,AND HE HAD IT,I WONDER WHAT HIS MOTHER WAS THINKING??? WITH BEING MISSDIAGNOSED,TO BEING NEGLECTED BY THE MSTOWN,MANAGERS,THIS WASNT NEW,HE HAD IT SINCE HE WAS ON HIS TEENS,AND TOLD THE WORLD MANY YEARS AFTER HE WAS ENDURING ALL THIS PAIN,ONLY A PERSON WHO SUFFERS THE SAME ILLNESS KNOWS,HOW IS THIS NEVER ENDING HELL WE HAVE TO LIVE AND WONDER WHY US????IFI HAD KNOWN SHINee BEFORE AND KNEW HIS PROBLEM,I WOULD HAVE DONE ANYTHING I NEEDED TO HELP HIM AND GUIDE HIM,EVEN THO THIS HAS NO CURE,IT CAN BE CONTROLLED,AND HE WOULD BE HERE NOW CELEBRATING WITH HIS MEMBERS,IS SO SAD THAT I KNEW HE EXISTED THE DAY HE TOOK HIS LIFE,AND I FEEL VERY GUILTY,IM SO SORRY JONGHYUN,ILL MAKE IT UP FOR YOU IN OUR NEXT LIFE,PROMISE,AND I LOVE YOU,YOU WERE PERFECT,AND AMAZINGLY SENSITIVE,TALENTED,HANDSOME,COMPOSER,I WONDER WHY FATE HAS TO BE THIS WAY,I AM STILL MOURNING HIM AFTER 6 MONTHS OF HIS PASSING,I JUST CANT FORGIVE MYSELF :'( ♥♥
My daughter’s depression is very similar to Jonghyun’s based on all the details he had provided through his interviews, lyrics, and book. Knowing that he died in despair and torment rips at my heart. it’s as if we did nothing for our daughter and just watched her spiral downwards and die. I’m not sure how those close to or knew Jonghyun well cope...I know I wouldn’t be able to cope with that on my conscience. I think their culture and expectations of how people should be make them blind particularly to mental illness. Their only way to deal with someone like Jonghyun is mourn their death? For a culture also so ingrained with formalities, it seems ironic that a person’s health would be respected much less than a courteous bow. Respect for appearance and not substance? They have lost a national treasure under the most regrettable and avoidable circumstances and there’s no outrage and no impetus for meaningful change. It does make me wonder how many more must die for them to wake up. Some say they need to worry about NK and I can’t help but laugh at that. In the last 50 years, say, how many SK have been killed by NK? In that same time period, how many have died from suicide (truthful figures). I think NK only needs to wait for SK to self-destruct from the inside. I’m sorry this sounds harsh, but yet it is still nothing compared to what Jonghyun had to go through. Despite that, he was always kind, compassionate, loving, and generous. There are not enough lifetimes to repay the debt they owe him.
i miss him everyday and it hits even hard when i cant sleep at night all i can think about is him 😢 there could never be another Jonghyun, he is one of a kind. i really wish he is at peace and in a much better place.
I'm Sri Lankan fan of Jonghyun. I never got any chance to meet him. But I fall in love with him. He had a great & incredible high note voice. Some losses are never replaceable. He is the best Korean vocal artist for music industry. You gone too soon. I love you Jonghyun❤️❤️❤️. I missed you so much.😭😭😭😭
That last one gets me so hard everytime. It's so beautiful how he listens to the fans singing while smiling and I think that's the most amazing thing about that performance
진짜 종현이의 보컬은 누가 흉내낼 수 도 없고 종현이만의 독보적인 목소리라서...아 이제 새로운 노래를 들을 수 없다는게...아니 도란도란 얘기하는 종현이의 다정한 녹아들것같은 목소리를 들을 수 없다는게...종현이만의 그 크고 신비하게 생긴 눈...그 눈으로 웃음짓는걸 다시 볼 수 없다는게...눈큰사람들은 많지만...종현이눈은 왠지 뭔가 그냥 따스하고 정말 아름다워...눈웃음이 얼마나 이쁜데...그런 눈웃음 종현이밖에 없을꺼야...진짜 하나하나 뭐든 종현이는 독보적으로 타고났구나...그리워...보고싶어...듣고싶다...
It's been almost two years... but it still hurts. Gosh... I wanna sleep but I can't I miss him... and even with all this pain inside me, I'm aware It's nothing compared to his family and friends' pain.
At least before he left the world he get to see all his fans for the last time..thank u jonghyun for your great vocal songs and dedications at shinee...
Even though i can't smile while listening and watching him, this is how i want to remember him. I promise that someday i'll listen you with a big smile.
This is what makes me feel lonely... I'm gonna miss his vocal for ever.. I'm gonna miss him for ever.. this beautiful personality.. This unreal best man in the world... I love you Jonghyun... My heart won't stop aching because we lost you... I miss you... For ever with you... For ever in my heart... The Legend...
Thank you so much for making this video.....I almost didn't make it when he started singing Lonely since it was so real and so close to his death.....I still shed tears....Now I know how Elvis fans felt when they lost their "King". I still can't believe he is gone.......he left such a hole in my heart. Their have only been a few singers that deserve that kind of praise and he out shines them all. While I have other favorite singers, Jonghyun was and is the only one that could reach my very soul with his passion and his voice. I will always miss him....
What a beautiful, kind, tolerant, talented, adorable, funny, and amazing dreamboat. His voice and musical genius lives on in files, CDs, MVs, and albums. I miss you so much, my love❤️ you've truly worked your heart out and you've done amazingly well.
I was doing so good until towards the end tears started coming down and it wouldn't stop! thank you so much for making this video. you did a great job! We all miss you a lot Jonghyun!!
Omg again again and again i can’t stop my tears what should do? That’s so bad i miss him more than any thing else oh no i want him i need you jonghyun 💔
all of them are my favorite. he is my favorite. he'll always be my favorite. my poor angel. im so sorry. really sorry. i hate it. you deserved the world. more than the world. i would do everything. everything. to make you come back. im sorry for your suffering. im sorry for all the pain. its the only thing i can say. sorry. i miss you so much jonghyun. your smile. your kindness. you were perfect. i really hoped you realized that. im sorry...
Jonghyun I miss you so much my angel, you are in my heart and my thoughts every day, Shinee thinks of you, we all love you, watch over Shinee and rest in peace my angel, I love you. (Snow White. Murielle.) 💋🩵🩵🩵🩵🩵❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️👌✨️🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🫶🫰💎🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹
I'd watched some video, they said he is broken hearted bcoz of his toxic korean fans dont like him to have a relationship with shin se kyung so fans boycott jonghyun vlogz or social media and bcoz of fans wrong doings they broke up bcoz the couples can't handled it..but jonghyun still loves se kyung so much thst leads him to breakdown..I dont know if thats true or not..but i hope all kpop fans or even agencies set their limitations in dictating kpop idols what to do or not to do. kpop idols are not a robot. idols have their own feelings too and have the rights to be in a realtionship so please respect them in their decisions and still support them.If u are a big fan of your kpop idol, you should love not only your idols but also the one they chose to love. there's a lot of kpop idols committed suicide nowadays bcoz they cant handle their situations so kpop fans and agencies to avoid this to happen again and again to other remaining kpop idols give them your undestanding and full support..listen to your idols thoughts,opinions,feelingsand give them spirtual advise from Pastors and remind them taking their own life is a big sin to God to avoid suicide..kpop fans should give inspirations and encouragement also to their idols for them to be happy in life not bashing your idols if they didn't meet your standars about the person they love.
But let's all keep pretending Taemin has developed his voice to where he can adequately fill Jonghyun's shoes....what a horrific joke. And yes, I read that shit all the time on these threads.
@@notwerkinginthishouse8634 lol. LOTS of commenters under various post-Jonghyun SHINee concert vids where the remaining four have covered Jonghyun's parts. Naturally, none of them have half the vocal power of Jonghyun but commenters pretend that's not the case and you're not supposed to speak the truth out loud.
For me..jonghyun is the only singer who can beat taeyang voices. Unique voices. Unordinary. There are several singers in korea have a unique voices eg: taeyang, jonghyun,lee hongki
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Greetings to all of Shawols!
If you knew the youtube account SHINee SHAWOLs that is my old youtube account. But I wasn’t able to use it because I forgot my password, so help me guys to bring back my thousand of viewers from my old account let’s continue it here in my new account.
SHAWOLS FOREVER HERE!!! 🧡
He is irreplaceable. His vocals are so powerful & moving. I can’t watch this without crying. Jonghyun you did more than well. You will be loved and missed always.
I feel forever blessed to have discovered JONGHYUN in SHINEE! I will always love this forever young, greatest artist of my heart and soul!
Almost 3 years later and entertainment companies still don't take mental health seriously. Give your artists the help and rest they need! Stop stigmatizing mental illnesses! I miss you and love you Jonghyun ❤
You are one hundred percent right. K-Pop fangirls and boys are a huge part of the problem too, feeding right into the management fantasy that these groups work like dogs "for them," and all the other hogwash. It's very sick.
This young man was such an incredible tallent. He had such phenomenal vocal skills. What a shame that he was unable to get the support and help he needed instead of feeling so lost and alone that he couldnt see the bright shining future that was his for the taking. What a terrible loss.
I agree 100%. I can't even look at the 4 remaining Shinee and their new songs...I used to watch only Jjong and he isn't there. It's too bad that the Korean culture looks down on mental diseases which may explain why most of the members somewhat left him to his own devices. I seem to think that w/ the internet, one can find answers about anything...like Depression. It's a horrific disease. I still cry to this day.
dicky doobie same
I ALSO AGREE 100%WITH YOU BECAUSE IF HE WOULD HAVE BEEN MY SON,,I WOULD HAVE DONE EVERYTHING FOR HIM TO SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP WITH THE BEST PSQUIATRIST IN THE WORLD,MONEY WASNT THE ISSUE,AND HE HAD IT,I WONDER WHAT HIS MOTHER WAS THINKING??? WITH BEING MISSDIAGNOSED,TO BEING NEGLECTED BY THE MSTOWN,MANAGERS,THIS WASNT NEW,HE HAD IT SINCE HE WAS ON HIS TEENS,AND TOLD THE WORLD MANY YEARS AFTER HE WAS ENDURING ALL THIS PAIN,ONLY A PERSON WHO SUFFERS THE SAME ILLNESS KNOWS,HOW IS THIS NEVER ENDING HELL WE HAVE TO LIVE AND WONDER WHY US????IFI HAD KNOWN SHINee BEFORE AND KNEW HIS PROBLEM,I WOULD HAVE DONE ANYTHING I NEEDED TO HELP HIM AND GUIDE HIM,EVEN THO THIS HAS NO CURE,IT CAN BE CONTROLLED,AND HE WOULD BE HERE NOW CELEBRATING WITH HIS MEMBERS,IS SO SAD THAT I KNEW HE EXISTED THE DAY HE TOOK HIS LIFE,AND I FEEL VERY GUILTY,IM SO SORRY JONGHYUN,ILL MAKE IT UP FOR YOU IN OUR NEXT LIFE,PROMISE,AND I LOVE YOU,YOU WERE PERFECT,AND AMAZINGLY SENSITIVE,TALENTED,HANDSOME,COMPOSER,I WONDER WHY FATE HAS TO BE THIS WAY,I AM STILL MOURNING HIM AFTER 6 MONTHS OF HIS PASSING,I JUST CANT FORGIVE MYSELF :'( ♥♥
오늘도내일도 울쫑디 너무보고싶다
안보면 보고싶고 보면아까워서눈물나고
종현아어쩜좋니
My daughter’s depression is very similar to Jonghyun’s based on all the details he had provided through his interviews, lyrics, and book. Knowing that he died in despair and torment rips at my heart. it’s as if we did nothing for our daughter and just watched her spiral downwards and die. I’m not sure how those close to or knew Jonghyun well cope...I know I wouldn’t be able to cope with that on my conscience. I think their culture and expectations of how people should be make them blind particularly to mental illness. Their only way to deal with someone like Jonghyun is mourn their death? For a culture also so ingrained with formalities, it seems ironic that a person’s health would be respected much less than a courteous bow. Respect for appearance and not substance? They have lost a national treasure under the most regrettable and avoidable circumstances and there’s no outrage and no impetus for meaningful change. It does make me wonder how many more must die for them to wake up. Some say they need to worry about NK and I can’t help but laugh at that. In the last 50 years, say, how many SK have been killed by NK? In that same time period, how many have died from suicide (truthful figures). I think NK only needs to wait for SK to self-destruct from the inside. I’m sorry this sounds harsh, but yet it is still nothing compared to what Jonghyun had to go through. Despite that, he was always kind, compassionate, loving, and generous. There are not enough lifetimes to repay the debt they owe him.
i miss him everyday and it hits even hard when i cant sleep at night all i can think about is him 😢 there could never be another Jonghyun, he is one of a kind. i really wish he is at peace and in a much better place.
Jonghyun’s improvement was insane
How is this even possible to have such an incredible voice. Gosh its so beautiful i could listen to his voice forever
Sorry but this makes me cry. I keep looking up for his presence. He is loved an missed, always
The Star SHINE for 10 yrs on stage and in people'mind...
0:27 this is the same voice that put to sleep to millions of koreans in Blue Night...wow
I'm Sri Lankan fan of Jonghyun. I never got any chance to meet him. But I fall in love with him. He had a great & incredible high note voice. Some losses are never replaceable. He is the best Korean vocal artist for music industry. You gone too soon. I love you Jonghyun❤️❤️❤️. I missed you so much.😭😭😭😭
That last one gets me so hard everytime. It's so beautiful how he listens to the fans singing while smiling and I think that's the most amazing thing about that performance
진짜 종현이의 보컬은 누가 흉내낼 수 도 없고 종현이만의 독보적인 목소리라서...아 이제 새로운 노래를 들을 수 없다는게...아니 도란도란 얘기하는 종현이의 다정한 녹아들것같은 목소리를 들을 수 없다는게...종현이만의 그 크고 신비하게 생긴 눈...그 눈으로 웃음짓는걸 다시 볼 수 없다는게...눈큰사람들은 많지만...종현이눈은 왠지 뭔가 그냥 따스하고 정말 아름다워...눈웃음이 얼마나 이쁜데...그런 눈웃음 종현이밖에 없을꺼야...진짜 하나하나 뭐든 종현이는 독보적으로 타고났구나...그리워...보고싶어...듣고싶다...
His voice is so special to me till this day.
종현이 목소리는 정말 신이 내린 선물? 혜야 부를때 보고 숨이 멎는줄,,알았는데...
I really idolized him until now, and year passes by goshhhhh I still miss him. Their is no one like Him 🙁😍
영원히 잊지 못할거야.....
For me every vocal of his amazing💜 live or recorded Jonghyun had the voice of an angel💜❤️
^^~매력 등어리 쫑디 자꾸만 칮게 되네요~*^^*
The best singer ever 👍👍👍
Kim Jonghyun..will always in my heart💖💖💜💜💕💕💕💗💖
It's been almost two years... but it still hurts. Gosh... I wanna sleep but I can't I miss him... and even with all this pain inside me, I'm aware It's nothing compared to his family and friends' pain.
It’s been 6 years now dang
Also, this level of talent is just 😍😱🙌🏽 Jonghyun is truly blessed
He did well❤ We will never forget him he's a legend. SHINee will always be 5❤
At least before he left the world he get to see all his fans for the last time..thank u jonghyun for your great vocal songs and dedications at shinee...
Even though i can't smile while listening and watching him, this is how i want to remember him. I promise that someday i'll listen you with a big smile.
Все видео где поет любимый уважаемый КИМ ДЖОНХЕН душа радуется что есть очень хорошач память об КИМ ДЖОНХЕНЕ
I miss you Jonghyun💔😭
Jonghyun ...really amazing, owner of most beautiful 😍 sweet voice
종현💖고음 뿐 아니라 애드립 진짜 환상적 이네요~👍👍👍
Your favorite is my favorite too
Same dude, same
Jazz Bado YEAH JAZZ BADO
Jazz Bado me too ❤
This is what makes me feel lonely... I'm gonna miss his vocal for ever.. I'm gonna miss him for ever.. this beautiful personality.. This unreal best man in the world... I love you Jonghyun... My heart won't stop aching because we lost you... I miss you...
For ever with you... For ever in my heart... The Legend...
I just love your beautiful voice is perfect ❤❤❤❤❤
Your voice is magic. Miss you
I always miss you jonghyun😭😭😭😭😭😭
옛날엔 그냥 들었었는데 네가떠난 요즘에사 네가 얼마나 대단한 목소리 를 가진 사람 이었다는걸 알게됐네.그기에 도달하려 얼마나 노력하고 힘들었니?
종현아~~
Thank you so much for making this video.....I almost didn't make it when he started singing Lonely since it was so real and so close to his death.....I still shed tears....Now I know how Elvis fans felt when they lost their "King". I still can't believe he is gone.......he left such a hole in my heart. Their have only been a few singers that deserve that kind of praise and he out shines them all. While I have other favorite singers, Jonghyun was and is the only one that could reach my very soul with his passion and his voice. I will always miss him....
I love jonghyun songs
Único e insuperável.
One of the best vocalist in kpop jesus fucking christ 💙🙏
You work hard,you did well #jonghyun 😭😭😭
What a beautiful, kind, tolerant, talented, adorable, funny, and amazing dreamboat. His voice and musical genius lives on in files, CDs, MVs, and albums. I miss you so much, my love❤️ you've truly worked your heart out and you've done amazingly well.
We will miss you oppa 😭😭😩😔😞😖😢
I'm here a year later. His voice always recomforts me omg... I love him so muuuuuch. This was such a nice videoooo
종현아💖이렇게 하나님이 사랑하셔서 많은 재능을 주셨구나💖 천국에서 천상의 목소리로 노래하고 있지?💖많이 보구싶다ㅠㅠ
these are unforgettable too but where is y si fuerra ella actually ı waited for this
종현이만 아는 마지막 공연
슬퍼요
I was doing so good until towards the end tears started coming down and it wouldn't stop! thank you so much for making this video. you did a great job! We all miss you a lot Jonghyun!!
you still in my heart , jonghyunah i cant forget you, my love for you growing day by day 💟
7:09 the right moment when I start to cry
마지막 콘서트....
눈빛이 너무 슬프다...
이미 다 알고있는..
팬들을 하나하나 눈에담고...ㅠㅠㅠ
종현아...
하늘에서 잘지내는거지?
너무 보고싶다..
Miss you oppa😢
jonghyun ..you my favorite...
The best live JongHyun and beautiful voice forever
El cantaba con el corazon
We miss you Jonghyun ssi...😭
He was such a beast while performing 'crazy'
Voice of Korea 😍🙆♀️
Amazing~♥♥♥
❤🤴🏻 Jonghung Forever 🤴🏻❤️
legend
Omg again again and again i can’t stop my tears what should do? That’s so bad i miss him more than any thing else oh no i want him i need you jonghyun 💔
Lonely 💔😭
Great loss for everyone lop u jonghyun
Oh Jonghyun :'(
Miss you. Missing you 😢😢😢😢
I was crying throughout the whole video and I cried even more at the last one.....
Thank you for making this video x
종현아....
Happy birthday angel!!!
Excuse Me Iiss is my favorite. I watch it many times every day, second is from Lucifer.
Anybody's still watching in dec 2018 16 morethan 11months ur gone but u still alive here💘💘💘💘kim jong💘hyun💘we sarangheu💕💕💕💘💘💘💞💞💞💖💖❤❤
I.m miss you...
Miss uuuuu so much ❤️
well yup i definitely skipped the last part ..... thank u so much for this vid ♥
now this is definitely my favorite video ♥♥Dino♥♥
GRANDE DEL KPOP
all of them are my favorite. he is my favorite. he'll always be my favorite. my poor angel. im so sorry. really sorry. i hate it. you deserved the world. more than the world. i would do everything. everything. to make you come back. im sorry for your suffering. im sorry for all the pain. its the only thing i can say. sorry. i miss you so much jonghyun. your smile. your kindness. you were perfect. i really hoped you realized that. im sorry...
i clicked on the video and the first thing i heard was "NUMNUMNUMNUMNUMNUMNUM"
Rip my baby angle I will forever miss you babyboy 😢❤❤
Jonghyun I miss you so much my angel, you are in my heart and my thoughts every day, Shinee thinks of you, we all love you, watch over Shinee and rest in peace my angel, I love you. (Snow White. Murielle.) 💋🩵🩵🩵🩵🩵❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️👌✨️🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🫶🫰💎🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹
Oh beautiful 💜
My favourite jonghyun's voice in SM The Ballad - Hot Times and Shinee - Lucifer😉
Jong hyun
Its okay. I'm with you. Shawol and who you loves with you
Me niego a olvidarme de ti
wow! youre fav is my fav too! that particular performance ♥️♥️♥️
I'd watched some video, they said he is broken hearted bcoz of his toxic korean fans dont like him to have a relationship with shin se kyung so fans boycott jonghyun vlogz or social media and bcoz of fans wrong doings they broke up bcoz the couples can't handled it..but jonghyun still loves se kyung so much thst leads him to breakdown..I dont know if thats true or not..but i hope all kpop fans or even agencies set their limitations in dictating kpop idols what to do or not to do. kpop idols are not a robot. idols have their own feelings too and have the rights to be in a realtionship so please respect them in their decisions and still support them.If u are a big fan of your kpop idol, you should love not only your idols but also the one they chose to love. there's a lot of kpop idols committed suicide nowadays bcoz they cant handle their situations so kpop fans and agencies to avoid this to happen again and again to other remaining kpop idols give them your undestanding and full support..listen to your idols thoughts,opinions,feelingsand give them spirtual advise from Pastors and remind them taking their own life is a big sin to God to avoid suicide..kpop fans should give inspirations and encouragement also to their idols for them to be happy in life not bashing your idols if they didn't meet your standars about the person they love.
I'm so lonely without you😭😭😭😭
😢😢😭😭😭
Jonghyun i love you
Miss you ❤️
But let's all keep pretending Taemin has developed his voice to where he can adequately fill Jonghyun's shoes....what a horrific joke. And yes, I read that shit all the time on these threads.
Wait,what?who said that?
@@notwerkinginthishouse8634 lol. LOTS of commenters under various post-Jonghyun SHINee concert vids where the remaining four have covered Jonghyun's parts. Naturally, none of them have half the vocal power of Jonghyun but commenters pretend that's not the case and you're not supposed to speak the truth out loud.
Love U forever n ever jjong 💎💞🤗
Cutie
Seline was really good too
The last song lonely that was hard to watch
He's making me crazy 😭😭😭
For me..jonghyun is the only singer who can beat taeyang voices. Unique voices. Unordinary. There are several singers in korea have a unique voices eg: taeyang, jonghyun,lee hongki
You mean every time he sings right :")
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