SAVAGE BOBBER DW Hobby Zlin Aviation 1000mm Wingspan Balsa PNP version 3S Maiden flight Attempt 2
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Specifications:
Brand Name: Dancing Wings Hobby
Item Name: Savage Bobber
Item NO.: SCG38
Version: KIT, KIT+Motor+Prop, PNP (optional)
Material: Balsa Wood
Wingspan: 1000mm
Fuselage Length: 700mm
Flying Weight: 580-620g
Recommended Parts (Not Included):
Motor: MM2208 1800-2600KV, Click Here
Prop: 7 Inch, Click Here
ESC: 20A, Click Here
Servo: 2.5g-3.7g 6pcs, Click Here
Battery: 2-3S 1300-1500mAh LiPo, Click Here
Radio System: 2.4G 6CH, Click Here
English Manual, Click Here
KIT Version Included:
1x Dancing Wings Hobby SCG38 Savage Bobber 1000mm Balsa Wood Airplane
Note: NOT included motor,esc,servo,propeller,transmitter,receiver,battery,charger and glue.
KIT+Motor+Prop Version Included:
1x Dancing Wings Hobby SCG38 Savage Bobber 1000mm Balsa Wood Airplane
1x 2208 KV2600 Motor
1x 7 Inch Propeller
Note: NOT included ESC,servo,transmitter,receiver,battery,charger and glue.
PNP Version Included:
1x Dancing Wings Hobby SCG38 Savage Bobber 1000mm Balsa Wood Airplane
1x 2208 KV2600 Motor
1x 7 Inch Propeller
1x 20A ESC
6x 3.7g Servo
Note: NOT included transmitter,receiver,battery,charger and glue.
Good morning brothers! I saw at least 2 guys here on YT having the exact same problem with this model - so you should be right with correcting the motor angles. A hand launch into higher grass with the motor off usually reveals the truth about the overall construction& CG. Best regards from Germany!
Big salute. I am sure you will figure out the problem and get the plane flying. What a beautiful fall day you had. I can’t stop looking at your beautiful countryside.
Fun fun fun lots of fun I enjoy these videos this is great
A quick fix: modify the landing gear (tail wheel) so the ground stance becomes slightly more neutral. Otherwise you need to get the tail up (nose down) during the ground roll before lifting off, if you don't it's instant stall on lift-off (which is what it just did, combined with the torque roll). Remember: stalling is about the angle of attack, not airspeed, and when the tail is down on that plane the wing is in constant stall during the ground roll. Check out some some YT videos on real tail-dragger takeoff.
Check the motor offset Pilot Robert. I had this issue with a small model many years ago. A small CAC Boomerang RC model. I needed to adjust the offset on the motor down and to the right to get it to fly properly. Before I adjusted it, I had to use full aileron and rudder on take off to stop it from torque rolling into the ground. Salute from Australia.
You can add dead weight to counter or aim the motor stupid and down, but a slow rollout will allow.
Beauty Mate!
It already has the correct thrust angle
jono why you calling pilots stupid….
Right ruddeeeeeeeer! Slow peak up the throttle.
Sometimes the darn plane, beautiful and sexy as it may be, just won't fly! This is nothing hey! Big Salute to the Brothers and thank you for another excellent video!
Best Brothers please don’t give up, more right tuque on the motor mount will do the trick. Please make another video on this model. Best RC videos ever, 👍
Anyone can design a plane...But designing a plane that flies correcttly is another matter ;)
That's so true indeed.
OK so here is what is happening. Because the bobber is a tail dragger... the wing is sitting with a high angle of attack when on the ground.. Because up elevator is being held in, the tail cannot rise. So the angle of attack on the wing does not reduce. This means the wing is stalled or near stall while taking off. Because of the rotation of the prop. the bobber wants to naturally roll left. As you try to correct the roll to the left you apply right aileron stick. The down going aileron on the left wing changes the camber of the wing. Increased camber on the left wing increases the angle of attack on the left wing. So the left wing stalls : Solution let the tail rise on the take off run. Use rudder to correct wing drop.
Your wrong about this model RC Geek,i have one and it flew terrible even when hand launched,very unstable and when speed is reduced in flight ,instant tip stall to the left, the one i have did the exact same thing on roll out from ground. this kit is simply not built from factory correctly,for the money it should be.personally i wouldnt waste time or money on it. Its garbage. Oh and i do know how to fly.
@@vinceburling4613 i didnt say the model was good!
You are 100% correct RC Model Geeks.
I'm more anxious now to see the next video on this plane than I was the first time! YOU CAN DO IT!
Love how the the plane looks and I hope you succeed in taming her. If nothing works, then perhaps you’ll have saved viewers interested in buying this model some money and a lot of grief.
Definitely more right thrust guys 👍
GOOD MORNING MY FRIEND'S. ROBERT AT LEAST YOU TRIED SIR HAPPY ITS STILL IN GREAT CONDITION. I KNOW THAT YOU WILL GET THIS PLANE TO FLY. THANKS FOR FILMING BLAZ'. HOPE YOU ALL HAVE A GREAT WEEK.🇬🇧🇸🇮✌️👍
Yo MIKEYBOY!!
My Main North Atlantic Man and His Beautiful Sidekick Montiegue.
Hope You Two are Travelling in the right direction, Love From Oz Friends.
@@jonoedwards4195 HI JONO MY FRIEND. ALL GREAT WITH MONTY AND MYSELF. GETTING COLD AND WET IN ENGLAND. HOW ARE YOU MY FRIEND WELL I HOPE ✌️👍
The airplane is ground looping. On tail daggers, the further forward the wheels are in front of the CG the more prone they are to ground loop. Try starting the take off roll with the rudder full to the right and gently apply power.
Jim is correct!
Love seeing these in the mornings, thank you for the reviews ! The captain is great on the camera
Guys, your comical commentary always cracks me up! Aside from that, this great looking plane should just be a display model, it flies about as good as a brick! Another reviewer had the exact same problems so I don't think it's your fault. Thing is just too heavy. I also heard that the electronics that come with it are crap (for want of a better word) It's a damn shame, would be so nice to see it up in the air.
no down angle,and a bit more right with the motor i think.good luck with it bros
Look at Dis. OH NOOOOOOO #2😭. 3am and this Old Man really hopping it would fly☕☕☕. A lot of good helpful comments. That's why we all love the Brothers. You don't give up. Waiting for the next video. ✈️🧔💝💝💝
This plane is your masterpiece 🤣😂
I think it's a combination of things as motor angle needs pavement to take off and less weight good luck my friends
Salutes brothers. Savage Bobber is a great name for dis model. Flipped the flaps, flipped the whole shootin’ match hey. Ooohh nooo, dis wasn’t it…! Salutes again.
Sad to still not see this great looking plane not fly
Too much prop torque trying to take off with full throttle. Need to ease into the throttle
Pretty sure it's the motor angle Keep at it guys y'all will figure it out 👍✌️
The smell of the balsa wings.. Captain Blaz: “Well, that was me.” You guys crack me up!
There are videos showing this Bobber flying, think you still need to move the CG forward to compensate for the drag of the open fuselage. Fun attempts showing the real live of RC flyers when it doesn't' fly perfectly. Salute Jeff in LA USA
Nice bird. You might also look at a lower pitch prop to help reduce that torque roll effect. Get that bird in the air and then come back with more aggressive props if pitch is too low..... but at least get her in the air. Can't wait to see her fly Captain Robert.
Hi guys, I also viewed some yt videos on this plane. I would removed the pilot character then recheck cg put the 2s battery back in it then hand launch easy on the throttle over high grass if it goes in again. Good luck seems sometimes the smaller birds can really be a trick to get flying!!!!
Love watching your channel you guys are great Good Luck Hey!!!!
Savage by name...savage by nature 🤣
It’s the angle of the dangle! Good try, don’t give up!
The ones that don't fly still look good hanging in the garage......I have a few
You did not do any thing wrong. Your are right about the angle of the motor. I had A servo do the same thing on my ft simple scout and I replaced it and it did it again, What bad luck is that?
the next one I used was fine.
Also make sure your prop is on the right way the righting should face front just some common mistakes. Good luck. 🤞
There's a lot of comments in here, so forgive me if I don't check each and every one of them. This is clearly caused by P-factor, no? Right rudder...an active left thumb is your friend. This model apparently needs a LOT of right rudder, which is perfectly normal with this configuration of landing gear. Ailerons would only help in the roll axis once she's airborne. This is a torque induced yaw under power, so it needs manual right rudder input while taking off. It seems the plane has enough power, and I suspect feeding in right rudder while slowly applying throttle would keep her tracking straight enough to build speed to lift off at a reasonable climb out. Just trying to help guys...
Der perfect subject for the Gyro!
Der Problem Child is always de best looking already.
Beauty Captains, You don't Edit nuthink.
Last attempt a gentleman commented to view his channel for a successful flight ! Check last video go to my comment to reference his video . There you can see how challenging this model is to control ! Its not just you my friends salute !
Good work rc friends iam sorry it did not get up in the air. Big Salute 😁👍
Other videos I have watched it does the same thing, adjust motor angle and I would change the esc because other videos had esc wires come off as well
Morning bros👍
Guy from: Joyplanes RC have same airplane and same problems. Look up Joyplanes RC Savage Bobber. Happy flying ✈
Also! Make sure your wheels are angled right! Toe in a little, it’s also ground looping, normal on a tail Dragger.
Jeff is correct...especially for this plane.
Maybe next time, if it still doesn't work, you could interview the Pilot Rabbit if he has an idea 🐰
Time for Robert modified aircraft solutions!!
Third time lucky my friends 🤞 go for it 😁👍
Fly it!
Captain Blaz always know, what he wants to put inside :-D
Hanger queen.... 😂 Really want to see it fly. Ive seen a few videos on this model always a handful on the ground.
Ahhh it doesn’t fly out of the box. Now that’s a pity for sure.
But it is a little sturdy bugger alright, I think most balsa planes would have had some kind of damage from such a crash.
I hope you guys get this into the air and find the reason why it’s so stubborn.
hello beloved brothers, since it is definitely a tip stall combined with torque roll, I would suggest remove as much weight as possible even with smaller battery. Make it more nose heavy and most importantly go to your flat road not grass let it taxi and build speed before pulling elevator up. Hope for the best!
Even though it's a high wing, get some speed up before trying to get her up in the air. It reminds me of a War Plane. They tip stall and roll to the left usually before enough speed has been reached. You guys very seldom use most of your runway before trying to get the planes up... ;)
Thats a really nice looking plane.
I believe there is too much torque. Give it a try with a 2s battery instead.
bad luck pilot robert but dont give up the bird will fly eventually
I do like the look of this plane my brothers but maybe you need to fly this one off a paved runway (surface) so you can ease the power in instead of punching the throttle. Always love the info and your videos are a great help to people wanting to buy the first or just a different plane 👍
You are correct Andrew. YT is full of people who just slam the throttle and either take off in a few feet or ground loop.
Same problem.... no use trying... 😁
It's the moles messing with you.
I'm pretty sure I saw a tiny mole hand reach up and grab the left wheel.
YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT WHEN NOBODY LOOKING HEY 👋
Johan is dead right, you can't just cram on up elevator until it lifts off, it is stalled during the take off roll and you are pinning the tail down preventing it from lifting to a flying angle of attack, plus the wheels are holding the torque, when they lift up you have all the torque, add precession and this is what happens, you can see it all the time on videos.
Robert.. This is a problem with piper cubs and planes that look like it . My uncle has bought a new 2m cub just 2 months ago and it always turns to the left also really bad... It was so bad that he had to install a gyro on the rudder because it was very hard to keep straight..
I would suggest actually using much less power for takeoff, the more power you use the more it will quickly turn to the left from the motor torque and propwash.. I would install a gyro on the rudder or hand toss it..
The only other way is to use much less throttle and lots of right rudder until it stops turning left and then increase the throttle... My home built bush plane 1.4m also turns to the left on takeoff but I learned how to correct it by taking off with less power at the start and lots of rudder control...
Hope this helps..!!!
5:41 - have a look at the main wing incidence Robert ... you can see it is a much greater angle than the tailplane (it should normally only be about 2 degrees more). I am fairly sure this is why everybody is having problems with this aircraft - it is stalled unless flown very fast. You could try something radical like setting the flaps and ailerons neutral position to be a little up so as to change the average angle of incidence. At this stage, it's pretty much scrap balsa in waiting, so give it a go, or even try to change the incidence angle using some Petrincic ingenuity. There is nothing to lose now - go for it 😂 EDITED in line with the reply below from Plane Simple as the first sentence was written confusingly ...
"... you can see it is a greater angle than the tailplane (which it should never be!)." ???? I never heard of that theory! There should always be some angle between wing chord and elevator chord, depending on the airfoils used for both, length of the fuselage, surface of the elevator, for example. As Tandler Guitars already said, hand launch it without throttle and you will see where it goes and where your cg has to be.
@@plane_simple You are correct; I made a bit of a hash of writing that. I was trying to say that the wing appears to have a really big angle of incidence over the tailplane and fuselage; a lot more than the 2 degrees or so that I'd expect. I'm only basing this on how it looks at 5:41 as I don't own the model to look at it properly. I don't want to fully rule out motor angles but I think what is going on here (and what I've seen on other videos of the same model) seems to be a lot more serious than just a motor angle issue.
If at first you don't succeed, try try again. I know you will figure this out good luck salute to you both.
Longer runway and ease into the throttle. You can’t mash the throttle and you muscle this into the air. Slowwwwww an steady with right rudder
Has the great pilot Robert been defeated ? Tune in for part 3.. 😂😂
On your TX you can slow down flaps speed...
It could be the prop is to big will cause draft on left side of tail creating a yawing motion pulling it over. Check this out.
I believe you need to add spacers to angle the motor down and right more. This is a smaller plane.
Take 2....plane needs more work. Cut..😉Back to the drawing board. The flippy floppy was cool. Cool looking bird. I have one that wont take off either, hand tossing makes it nose down and cut to the left. I put in a whole bunch of elevator trim and alot of opposite rudder {3 channel} and it flys "ok"....Maby the frame is tweeked? Too nose heavy? etc..
Looking like comedy show than FT555
You forgot to say a prayer for the rabbit in the plane
did you guys check for a wing warp.. love your channel!
I think the rabbit has had too many burgers and has made plane nose heavy.
TOO bad cause it looks Cool
The wheels should be larger. The tires diagram should be thin. The radius also should be large. The wheel should be thinner. The suspension will increase with the rubberized texture. Tires should have the same weight. Does that make sense?
The 3s battery just meant it crashed quicker!
Throw it !!!!!!
モーターの取り付け角度を右に向けないと行けない位に左に曲がりますね！
That's why flight was invented by the Wright bros. and not the wong bros. Throw it. Throw it by hand...in the garbage. I saw another video, same issue.
To fix the thrust angle, take the motor out and install 2x 50mm edf's to the nose of the plane for the pleasure....and what the hell!!
You need to take the rabbit out and try it cuz if the Robit is a beanie baby the CG can be thrown off by the rabbit go left
Ease on the throttle instead of punching it , add more right thrust and laterally balance the wings than try it
Well you have convinced me NOT to get this one - they should fly and be structurally sound as they come from the Manufactures, should not need all the messing about - Nice try - Stay safe - Big Salute from Cambridgeshire UK - DIs is it -
It looked like the rudder was backward on the first video.
well, this model looks like Mission Impossible (grin)
Well I was lucky on attempt Nr.4 On Nr. 3 I have crashed the bird. Then fixed it once more and finally I was in the air three days ago.
@@PetrincicBrosRC sounds like a miracle from the Virgin Mary. Excited to see how you solved this, because it looks like a pretty bad design.
looks more complex than just the motor angle at fault,maybe needs a longer run to get tail level with the wing before it will lift could try a bigger tail wheel hmm its a shame the plane looks so good maybe its tooo like the real thing
Sorry for the trouble again today my friends . I am not very experienced , But When i slowed the takeoff footage down the very first thing I thought was the motor angle was wrong , torque roll was to much to overcome .
Thanks for the 100 vs 130% throttle cut advise . I had that issue a few days ago programming another plane .
Hey Pilot Robert, I have a friend who has a very similar problem with the Savage Bobber, so I make a video about it on my channel. Also you can try to add more weight to the nose. It Will help
Looking at video of other channels on this model this is a common problem. One to avoid. In fact as my late fahter advised me one should always avoid a savage bobber…
You Guys should open a Deli in Baltimore $$$
You need down and right thrust. It doesn’t look like there is any right thrust
Try correcting the motor angle to the right and mix in right rudder with the throttle. It’s worth a try, what the hell. My old Citabria did the same thing and once I corrected the motor angle it was perfect.
Right rudder! High angle of attack and full power = p factor. Also, no way you could fly that once you lost your rudder servo. Give it another try with a new rudder servo.
Salute!
This definitely looks like a CG problem to me. And rudder? Who the f... needs a rudder :-D
A site like you in Spain have the same problem. Impossible to take off with this plane. Too heavy on the front ? Problem of conception ? skeletal airframe ? keep going your investigation. I guess that this plane is a mistake. Hi from France
If it didn't hit the hole the 2nd time it might have made it? Need that new runway!
Hi brothers. Greetings from the UK. JoyplanesRC also have a video on RUclips which shows the same problem even when it is hand launched. It is also twitchy and unstable in flight. If you look at his video it might give you ideas about sorting it out but it looks like a job DW ought to tackle. I definitely would not buy one. Pity as it is a great looking plane. Please get that Eflite CarbonZ T28 out for its maiden! You will love it.
CHECK OUT THIS REVIEW- Olaf Borchert
his actually flew and his CG was way forward where you have it
Hmmmmm launch it from Hand ? Salute from Germany
You need a circle runway Brothers :) It's a defected model maybe more testing and investigation might find the problem.
check the Rudder system