McLaren need to apologize to both drivers. To Oscar for messing up his strategy and tarnishing his first win, and to lando for the manipulation and making him look like the bad guy in this situation. Neither driver did anything wrong they both did what the team asked.
Definitely but Oscar had clean air since McLaren left him out so long and was still slower on the final stint. Not that he didn't deserve priority strategy, he did and I think that would have been enough most likely, regardless.
@@footyball66 no doubt Oscar needs to improve his race fitness. He tends to fade away a lot towards the end of his races while lando seems to get better the longer the race goes on.
Understanding basic leadership principles would help you understand to always handle situations at the lowest level. Besides, Stella didn’t have to come on the radio but you think he should have…
OMG the level of bias showed be sky people is beyond belief... Max needs to remember that f1 is a team sport but Lando need to be selfish to win a championship.... Guys you're 🤢 🤢 🤢,my question to Lando and sky people is: if Lando was leading the race and Oscar would have pited first and take the lead after what would the reaction have been on that?? So many people admired Lando (including myself) for being a role model and having great moral values but last sunday showed such a ugly side of him that so many people won't look up to him anymore.... So stop being biased for f**k sake and treat every single situation the same
I kept yelling at the TV: "They need to get Andrea Stella on the radio and tell them what's what." I was surprised someone in authority - like Brawn, Vowels, etc., have done in the past - didn't just handle the situation.
I think it is what they had to considering their mistake in allowing him to undercut Oscar. I think if they had boxed Oscar before he still would have won because of track position and the pace that he had shown. It’s unfortunate now because fans will not see it as a true win and May blame it if Lando loses the championship, but in my opinion that’s the result that would have happened regardless.
McLaren have loads of championships already, but there's no way as a racer I'd pull over for Oscar because McLaren have ballsed up on the pitwall, even for saying it over the radio I would park my bread bike and retire
and behaving like that would quickly result in a reputation as being driver first, team second...you'd quickly be out of a seat. once you're truly contending for the drivers championship, strategy will favor you. Until then, it's all getting max points for the constructors.drivers can be selfish, but only when it's worth the backlash. Lando disobeying team orders in this instance, would cause more issues than is worth, just for him to have 1 more race win when he looks back on his career. instead, this race can be used as a lesson in decision making , which McLaren desperately need.
@Leslie-1996 you mean like Verstappen, Schumacher or Alonso? And yet all these have or have had a long career😂 you're chatting nonsense. If the driver is fast, the driver gets a contract and the team is built around them.
How ironic this title is. Mclaren needs to be more ruthless but yet the most ruthless driver on the grid faces the harshest criticism of the sky f1 team 😂
Also what you Sky F1 seem to forget, is Lando has been at McLaren for 5 years, Oscar was a rookie last year and half way through his second, and the team has given him a directive he just goes about it with out carrying on like a spoiled bratt
Lando was wrong to make that conversation go on for 18 laps. He should have accepted it straight off or not at all. The whole negotiation has an unpleasant taste. Then basically ignoring Oscar on the podium was also unseemly. As Churchill said of Americans, " They try everything but in the end do the correct thing." I've always liked Lando but now favour Oscar. He has a lot of decorum and a measured personality. He will be WC before Lando.
I think Lando knew the score and he did the right thing, one race win does not give you a championship you will need the team. Maclean fumbled, Rosberg and Karun put it nicely. Feel sorry for Oscar because the incident took the shine off this win.
Mclaren have in the past had a race-to-the-1st-corner policy when they had front row lock outs. Prost and Senna fell out about it: Coulthard and Hakkinen stuck to it - and Lando said he lost the race there. This was the 1st time in forever that they had to implement it, and they did it clumsily, IMO.
I don’t think the Mclaren swap was as bad as people make out. If they’ve previously discussed the 1st out of turn one thing then Piastri should have got preferable strategy but they absolutely had to protect Lando from undercut because he couldn’t drop points to Max and or Hamilton if he got undercut it would have made things much worse than the 1-2 swap around they dealt with. And Lando pulling away after the stops is what made it more difficult at the end. Lando should have slowed down a little on that lap and they should have pulled each other along until the end
I think McLaren made the cowards WDC strategic call to pit Lando first planning to use it as a way to have him win with less drama. And then someone pointed out it was going to be Oscars first F1 win and they felt guilty and didn't own their actions. It was never a call that was "covering" Lewis or Max that is a barely plausible excuse they are using as a flattering lie to avoid further pissing off the fans and more importantly both drivers who should rightfully be furious with them.
What we learned is that even before Lando becomes ruthless or whatnot, he needs to prove it first by be the driver leading at turn 1 every time he gets pole. Because that is one of the problems that needs to be addressed. To fail that and then go to the cooldown room and throw jabs at a 7 time world champion is very indicative of how much he still needs to grow as a driver. And McLaren also need to tackle their growing pains as a team. You are no longer a midfielder. Embrace it. They need a more assertive Stella. They screwed up and created the problem by pitting Lando first. That whole radio soap opera should not happen. If the team decides something like that, Stella needs to come to the radio and simply say: do it. Period. Because my question during all that radio chat was: "Who is in charge?"
McLaren told both drivers whoever was ahead at lap 45 was going to win the race. So once the 2nd pitstop happened, Lando had to let him by because McLaren had messed up. They'd agreed to this beforehand, they just mucked it up thinking Hamilton was going to catch Lando, so they pit him first. It was just poor strategy.
It’s pretty clear that Oscar has caught up with Lando speed wise. Cars are obviously even. Having two drivers with bad blood between them fighting each other, dive bombing, moving under breaking ignoring team orders in future is a recipe for disaster. Norris showed very poor judgement. He should have given the position back early and gone about trying to pass without getting it given on a plate.
British bias much? They constantly bring up vettel , Schumacher, Alonso, Verstappen….. but not Lewis! Like Lewis never disobeyed team orders….. even in the example they quote they accuse Alonso of not paying heed but not about Lewis. This small segment sums up the British media strangle hold of the F1 narrative. Been like that forever.
Ruthless is the right word. F1 now has so many soft headed fans, worried about PR and Marketing. The weird paternalistic coaching on the mclaren radio was pathetic, and has no space in the F1 I used to love.
He got dragged into giving back the position kicking and screaming. That's where he failed. He should have either given it back immediately (to then possibly even prepare an attack for the lead) or clearly stated he wasn't going to give it back
Haven't seen anyone mention this but imo Lando threw away an opportunity to win by not giving the place back as soon as possible. He had the pace and could have had a straight and fair battle for the win and plenty of laps to do it in. Giving it back 2 laps from the end was a bad decision
I’m torn on this because whilst I do think that Lando was quicker during the final stint, I don’t think he was quick enough to overtake Oscar. Hungary is a difficult track to overtake on as shown by the lack of on track action during this race and previous races there. You usually need to be considerably quicker than the driver in front to overtake so I think that Lando might have found it quite difficult to overtake Oscar. Unless he thought he could stay within DRS range long enough to put pressure on Oscar to make a mistake, I don’t think that would have been the best option for Lando.
The disconnect between "team" vs "driver" has always baffled me in F1. I think F1 is the only sport where the two people actually playing the game, the race drivers, are actively encouraged to be ruthless towards each other. This is fine I suppose if you have the clearly superior car like Merc had in the Hamilton/Rosberg days. It's workable when you have a clear number one driver like Max vs. Checo even though Checo clearly suffers. But it makes NO SENSE if you have equal young drivers like Norris vs Piastri. That's why to criticize McLaren for prioritizing team over driver is wrong IMO. McLaren have been down and out for so long that the team as a whole need to relearn how to win. They don't have time for driver squabbles at this point. Maybe when they are dominant again, they can afford to go Prost vs. Senna again. But not now.
As for Lando needing to be ruthless to be world champion like every other world champion seemingly, I think he realizes that the only reason he's beating Max and Red Bull is because he has the better car at the moment. Being selfish now will undermine the car's and the team's development and will make him lose in the long term. It's why Lewis didn't care so much if George won when the Merc was terrible. It wasn't the time to be selfish.
@@nothngspermanent its because they look at the online reactions and think majority of the viewers are rb max fans and they want to please them as much as possible.
The excuse of oscar getting ahead at the start is a nonsense. If your teammate qualifies behind you, he's your blocker he stops everyone getting past you so you can focus on the start. Having to cover a teammate in similar equipment is a ridiculous bullshit strategy. They build around Norris or they loose him to another team .
There was no "controversy" Team orders exist in almost every race. For example, why aren't Sky talking about Lance refusing to give position back to Fernando, this weekend? No controversy, just Sky being sensationalist as always. Same with Max's Team radio.....All drivers get snappy with their RE, but F1tv and SkyF1 only choose to broadcast Max! Max does go further than most over the radio, but it the broadcasters that create a sensational narrative to propagate views. Liberty are responsible for much this, but you can't really blame them for wanting to attract viewers My point is (predominantly for the newer fans) don't fall into the trap of believing the hype, nothing out of the ordinary happened in Hungary.
exactly my point. I really don't get why everyone is so wound up by Max's radio with GP. I think if they have something to say, they will talk in private. To say that Max disrespects everyone and is like this horrible person every race is just... wrong. Yes, he is not the calmest person, he is not the nicest, whatever, it is what it is, this is who he is, like him, hat3 him, whatever, but they should stop saying bad things about him every time. Also, it's funny to me how they never talk about how Max carries RBR on his sholders for the past months. He is basically fighting alone in the WCC and WDC agains 5-6 other drivers. This is a factor as well when it comes to his frustration, but everyone seems to leave that out of the convo, because God forbid they actually say something remotely nice about him :)).
3:50 I think what some race engineers go through is too much. It’s sad that race engineers are more replaceable than drivers and I think both parties know that which kinda allows them to be shouted at.
Why is no one speaking about the fact that at the first corner at the start of the race Oscar forced his way through on Lando, what if Lando did not give way which actually ran max off track
With all respect to Lando.. within 12 months Oscar is quite likely going to surpass him and become McLaren’s no1 driver. The kid is crushing it, is calm, cool and fast and very soon will be taking poles time and time again. Lando has made a number of mistakes over the last few years and also the number of 2nd places finishes, his headspace just doesn’t seem like he’s going to become a ruthless champion… Oscar on the other hand is an F3 and F2 champion who mocked Alpine before he even got into F1 and now has a spring and a race win.
@@charliegath6125 yeah hulk always bottled it, lando has that gene. Doesn’t have what it takes to beat max. He has the same amount of wins as Oscar lol.
I agree with KC to an extent of the feeling within the f1 community and understanding why lando ended up ahead Thing is though, without the fans there is no f1 so that should be remembered when talking about the feeling within the f1 community Fans follow teams of course, but at the end of the day for the fans, it’s all about who wins and who takes the drivers championship We want to see a fight for a drivers championship We don’t go to our friends and say “did you see McLaren are chasing RB for the constructers championship We talk about drivers first and team second Lando lost ground in the drivers championship and I bet he feels worse for that rather than doing the right thing for the team Sports people want to win Yes they need a team to do it but at the end of the day, lando is the only one who can challenge max this year and he’s lost ground and that’s sad Oscar is only in the sport a short time and has plenty of time to challenge for a drivers championship Lando is there a lot longer and he should of been out first even though Oscar got the better start Now Oscar has a new confidence and RB are rubbing their hands as now Oscar will be alot closer to lando and it pretty much seals the drivers championship as now lando doesn’t have the teams full support to push this year What a story it would be to overturn the gap to max They were 1/2 anyways so they should of given the win to lando to enhance his chances of catching max
True , only way team benefits is for Lando to take the win , no points gained by giving it to Oscar , if they truly think this decision was for the team they are mistaken.
Why do ALL commentators feel the need to say that Piastri fulfilled a childhood dream? Do they not understand the EVERY SINGLE DRIVER has dreamt of winning their first grand prix? What's so special about HIS childhood dream, as opposed to Lando's dream of winning more than one grand prix?
So what you’re saying is, Piastri’s dreams aren’t more important then other people dreams or ambitions? You then highlight that Norris has dreams as well as if you’re suggesting his dreams are more important. All drivers matter, it’s just in this specific instance they’re highlighting the race winners dream being realised. What’s wrong with that?
Lets be really honest, Lando isn't going to win the WDC with or without the 7 points. He was saved from a 3rd place finish by compromising Piastri. Yep - he has his fans, but to the rest, Lando is at best insolent. The tanty against LH in the cooldown room shows his poor attitude.
They "gave" those points to him in the first place he wasn't passing Oscar on track no where near enough delta Horner was saying you needed 1.5s a lap Lando was less than 0.5 in clean air.
The thing is, I have doubts that Norris can win the championship. Especially in a close battle. I hope he can prove me wrong. But I don’t think he could defeat Max, or even Lewis, George or Charles in equal/similar cars. He has less wins than Max this year and as many wins this season as the other three. And they’ve had far less opportunities to win in the last twelve months than Norris has. Whether it was his mistake and/or the team’s mistake, they’ve lost out on a couple of wins this season that I don’t think would’ve happened as much if Hamilton, Russell or Leclerc were in that car instead of Norris. And now you’ve got Piastri, who’s only getting stronger and faster and more consistent. It wouldn’t surprise me if Oscar at some point in the future, becomes the team leader at McLaren.
@@ultravenomm That makes literally no sense. Anyone who doubted Lewis because of that shouldn’t be taken seriously. That’s not relevant to driving ability. This is about Norris’s driving ability and how others are probably better drivers because they drive better/have been more impressive than Norris.
@@ultravenomm I watched him at Silverstone in 2007 and after that had zero doubts he was something special. You are right though, there are many who doubted him then, again when he joined Mercedes in 2013 and 18 years, 7 WDC’s, 104 wins/poles, 200 podiums later there are still those who doubt him.
@@ultravenommLewis took the fight to the then-best driver on the grid during his rookie season. And that driver came on the back of B2B wins beating the greatest driver in history at that time. It would be like Piastri joining RB last season and finishing on equal points with Max. Lando has been in F1 for 6 years and has only won 1 race, the same amount Ricciardo and Piastri have won for McLaren.
I feel for Lando, he was leading the race due to an error from the strategy team undercutting Oscar. I’m with Lando and I feel he shouldn’t have given the position back, race wins are not guaranteed in this sport and he’s effectively now given up any slim hope of a title challenge. Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel, Verstappen would not have yielded position and this is what separates the best from the best. They really put Lando in a tough place and the radio messages about not being backed by the team if he didn’t comply was absolutely absurd.
If Lando loses the Championship by 7 points, he will get slandered as not being ruthless (like a Schumacher, Vettel, Verstappen) and trophyless when really it's McLaren leadership who have let him down massively. They clearly don't think he's going to win the title, or the clear No1 driver at the team.
@15m40s agreed they are viewing the long term success inc pinning down these 2 drivers as more importance than the very slim (all be it doable) chance of catching max this season and with or without that given the relative success and harmony at the team just now looks like they are odds on for the lucrative constructors as is....
They were allowed to race up to last pitstop. Then it was supposed to be about tyre management to protect the 1,2. so they would not have raced each other.
Keep repeating it 7 different winners in 13 races WOAAOW! But… 6 of them won only 1 race and 1 Ver. has won 7 races. Geo.,Sai.,Ham.,Lan.,Osc.,Lec., and
There should be a section for the quality of commentary of David Croft and the team It’s becoming clear that David, Alex, Jolyon and Laura are a more balanced and neutral team of commentators on the Formula1 broadcast
@@TheTororistLol when? Shouting on the mic doesn’t mean good play by play. Martin and Nico are the best in sky for play by play because they drove f1. Move to F1tv and you’ll know what good play by play is.
Stella also made it clear the scenario and the team’s attitude towards it has long been explicit, as discussed on the morning of each race. “We talk about our principles going racing. One is the interests of the team comes first. If you mess up in this matter you cannot be part of the McLaren team.” So: that now makes it clear what corporate F1 is today: it's ALL about the constructors championship and NOT the drivers! So if Lando had told them "F off I'm winning this race as I am 5- 6 seconds in front and pulling away" and I want to win the championship!!! And if he did that, what are they gonna do ? Sack him, don't give him upgrades? Make him pay for his breakfast?😂. Those ruthless, successful drivers would NEVER have done what Lando did!! If max goes all out in spar and wins then it's just about what " team McLaren" deserve!!
Once Norris started comfortably pulling away from Piastri, that should have been the end of the matter, fact is Oscar didn't drive particularly well after the first stint. Now McLaren are left hoping a mighty comeback doesn't end with Lando losing the title by seven points or less.
For me this was a defining moment from McLaren and Lando. It showed me neither have the drive and belief to be world driver champions this year. I’m a Lando fan but he shouldn’t have given up that spot. There’s enough races to go that seven points can be the difference between being number one or not. It’s a little insulting saying fans don’t understand the sport. Some of us have been studying and enjoying F1 for decades
Oscar lost control of his car and went off the track TWICE, which cost him a total of 5 - 6 seconds. Lando didn’t make any mistakes during the race. You don’t deserve to win a race just because you overtake your teammate at the first corner, especially if you go off track twice.
People seem to miss this. lando being slightly too cautious in the first corner needs to be worked on, but his race pace more than makes up for it. The first corner shouldn’t dictate who wins, that makes for a very boring race.
It's funny how many pundits and fans curl themselves into a ball and say "could Lewis have done more to avoid the contact?" but yet stop short of actually saying "Lewis could have done more to avoid contact". Because far be it for any blame to be cast on Sir Ham, especially by any Brit.
If they were line astern, I could understand the switch call. Or even if Oscar caught back up with his fresher tyres, but Lando pulled 6 seconds clear on Oscar & he had absolutely no answer to that. When the conversation started, Max was coming in FAST until he drove over Lulu's car, so if Lando suddenly lost 6 seconds plus to get Oscar ahead, McLaren could have turned a cast iron one two into a one three. It's possibly only the crash that prevented this. Poorly executed strategy, poorly handled radio calls. Ron Dennis would have handled it better in the good old days.
McLaren's current team management is holding them back from winning titles. Despite currently having the fastest car on the grid, their strategic decisions are among the worst. While Andrea Stella has turned around car performance and deserves praise for that, it's time for new leadership on the pit wall. Stella’s focus on the team's image over potential points in the drivers' championship is baffling. His attempt to avoid a PR disaster by emotionally manipulating Lando over the radio (since Stella was actually the one telling Lando race engineer what to say on the radio) not only failed but also created an even bigger PR issue and cost crucial championship points for Lando. The recent board meeting likely didn’t go well, despite the 1-2 finish. Stella should continue managing the technical side of the team, but McLaren needs someone like Ron Dennis on the pit wall to make the right strategic calls.
I think Lando has made a couple of mistakes but overall, McLaren have cost Lando, who is Max's closest rival, far too many points lately. I also fundamentally disagree that Piastri, as much as i like him, deserved that win. Terribly managed by McLaren. Lando also needs to realise he won't win championships by playing the nice guy. Every single F1 champion i can think of goes against team orders & does 'bad' things to win.
Man, I hate Sky commentating. It's so blatantly partisan it's galling if you're not British. Cannot stand the ridiculous narratives they like to push, how nakedly hostile they are towards Verstappen while licking the British driver's boots... Just be professional and impartial guys. Why is that so hard?
Norris was way faster and gapping piastri on old tyres , he was absolutely right to say piastri to catch up... Norris has to be ruthless if he wants to win the championship which obviously his team doesn't care
Oscar is not underwhelmed he’s just boring. The team screwed up but expected lando to take the punishment on their behalf, if you think that is fair then maybe give up on commentary
Karun needs to read the officials report. Lewis did exactly the same as his previous laps. On the other hand Max breaks further ahead of his breaking point. It's all written on the report.🙄 And Checo isn't going anywhere! He won't lose his seat.
McLaren doesn't know how to win yet... cause they messed the strategy up.. then it ending being you have the chance to take max points from verstappen.. gained 8 points instead of 15 points. Bad move.. lando should have won the race.. theres a championship going on...
@@TheTororist your thick then. Listen to how Lewis talks to bono at Dutch 2022 race. No difference to max. It’s what happens when drivers are shafted by teams. Yet dense people jump on the verstappen hate train.
I disagree with the narrative that Oscar had that race won if they pitted him first. He had barely a 2 second gap, he would have been under massive pressure by lando on slightly fresher tyres who has been mega on lower fuel at the end of races, chasing his first win a year and a half after debut, we also saw him make 2 mistakes and lando have a better last stint… does he win? Probably..but definitely not definitely and he’ll know that.
Yeah but we don't know how much Lando was pushing like crazy to extend his gap and "prove" he had pace whereas Oscar may not have been pushing like crazy to close down Lando after being told Lando would return the position. So you can't just assume too much from the last stint gaps tbh. We'll never know but we would have known if they pitted Oscar first because then they would have been free to race. However Oscar extended the gap in stint one and it's hard to be following in Hungary so Lando may not have overtaken him or been able to have the same pace he had in clean air.
He also had slow pit stop (2.9 seconds). Yes Lando did too in his first (2.9 seconds) but overall Lando's total pits stop time was 2 tenths quicker than Oscar. Yes I know it's not much at all but something to take into account.
I don't think we watched the same race to be fair, Oscar had almost +5 Sec gap and made a mistake, allowing Lando to close the gap again. I agree that Oscar is quick, but I can tell you he's not on Lando's Level (World Champion ability).
@@georgemathebula4661 Oscar’s only into his second season of F1 and is only getting better. And while Lando might still be better for now, that gap between them is closing fast. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Oscar overtook Lando as leader at McLaren over the next few seasons. And as for your point on “world champion ability”. As far as the non-champions go, the only ones, in my opinion, that have shown “world champion ability” are Russell & Leclerc.
Yep, made a mistake but still led. Lando never got within DRS. Lando has zero chance of WDC, so why alienate Oscar when you gave him your word? ("Don't worry about Lando", when Lando was given undercut)
But Lando doesn’t have the championship mentality. Seb, Schumi, Alonso, Ham, Max would never give the position back. Oscar will win a championship before Lando.
@13m no chanve because of where they have come from given how bad the last 10 plus years have been the clearly on the cards 1-2 was more important than ANYTHING
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McLaren need to apologize to both drivers. To Oscar for messing up his strategy and tarnishing his first win, and to lando for the manipulation and making him look like the bad guy in this situation. Neither driver did anything wrong they both did what the team asked.
@@Kermit-The-Smaug no they don’t. Clearly the scenario was discussed in the meeting. No excuses
I think most fans understand that if Oscar boxed first he would have won from there. Plus running in clean air is always advantageous.
Bro he couldn’t keep up to his teammate on fresher tyres, and they still handed him the win. What loony toon world do you live on
Definitely but Oscar had clean air since McLaren left him out so long and was still slower on the final stint. Not that he didn't deserve priority strategy, he did and I think that would have been enough most likely, regardless.
norris seems strongest at the end of the races.....so maybe he could have chased Oscar down.
Weirdly, some (british?) fans think the win was gifted to Oscar and that Lando is a classy driver for following orders.
@@footyball66 no doubt Oscar needs to improve his race fitness. He tends to fade away a lot towards the end of his races while lando seems to get better the longer the race goes on.
Stella should have come on radio himself and just said to Lando firmly give the position, that is an order
Stella should fire Lando's race engineer and hire one with some balls.
@@docmccoy9813he should then also fire Lando and hire a driver with balls. No top driver gives up a position like that.
Understanding basic leadership principles would help you understand to always handle situations at the lowest level. Besides, Stella didn’t have to come on the radio but you think he should have…
Karun is one of the best analysts out there. Very perceptive, keen observer and hits the nail on the head!
Teach me your barnet ways Matthew. 💇
Get a flight out to Turkey brother
@@MalcolmTann0He isn't there yet. Still alot of hair on that head
OMG the level of bias showed be sky people is beyond belief... Max needs to remember that f1 is a team sport but Lando need to be selfish to win a championship.... Guys you're 🤢 🤢 🤢,my question to Lando and sky people is: if Lando was leading the race and Oscar would have pited first and take the lead after what would the reaction have been on that?? So many people admired Lando (including myself) for being a role model and having great moral values but last sunday showed such a ugly side of him that so many people won't look up to him anymore.... So stop being biased for f**k sake and treat every single situation the same
Sad for Oscar for his first GP win to be like this. People will remember it as a not so positive moment.
Yep all because the spoilt brat 💯not understanding team work makes the dream work
@@Mick-np7bu which spoilt brat?
@@Mick-np7bu On that basis Max, Senna, Prost, Mansell etc were all spoilt brats. Even more spoilt than Lando because they were even less team players.
@@purpledahlia1969 yeah yeah yeah if my grandma had balls she would be my grandpa
He will win his WDC before Lando anyway so he’s not bothered 😂
I kept yelling at the TV: "They need to get Andrea Stella on the radio and tell them what's what." I was surprised someone in authority - like Brawn, Vowels, etc., have done in the past - didn't just handle the situation.
I think it is what they had to considering their mistake in allowing him to undercut Oscar. I think if they had boxed Oscar before he still would have won because of track position and the pace that he had shown. It’s unfortunate now because fans will not see it as a true win and May blame it if Lando loses the championship, but in my opinion that’s the result that would have happened regardless.
McLaren have loads of championships already, but there's no way as a racer I'd pull over for Oscar because McLaren have ballsed up on the pitwall, even for saying it over the radio I would park my bread bike and retire
and behaving like that would quickly result in a reputation as being driver first, team second...you'd quickly be out of a seat. once you're truly contending for the drivers championship, strategy will favor you. Until then, it's all getting max points for the constructors.drivers can be selfish, but only when it's worth the backlash. Lando disobeying team orders in this instance, would cause more issues than is worth, just for him to have 1 more race win when he looks back on his career. instead, this race can be used as a lesson in decision making , which McLaren desperately need.
@Leslie-1996 you mean like Verstappen, Schumacher or Alonso? And yet all these have or have had a long career😂 you're chatting nonsense.
If the driver is fast, the driver gets a contract and the team is built around them.
@12thdimension80 Lando Norris is not on that level... He has one race win in F1...
@@HabitualLine-Stepper my point exactly... if he wasn't a push over he'd have more wins.
Oscar has done the same for him atleast 5 times since he's been there
More in person podcasts please, so much better! It ain't 2020 no more
How ironic this title is. Mclaren needs to be more ruthless but yet the most ruthless driver on the grid faces the harshest criticism of the sky f1 team 😂
I dont think Lando was a team player in this scenario, however I undertstand the issue at hand was not his fault and put him in a difficult decision.
Also what you Sky F1 seem to forget, is Lando has been at McLaren for 5 years, Oscar was a rookie last year and half way through his second, and the team has given him a directive he just goes about it with out carrying on like a spoiled bratt
Lando was wrong to make that conversation go on for 18 laps. He should have accepted it straight off or not at all. The whole negotiation has an unpleasant taste. Then basically ignoring Oscar on the podium was also unseemly. As Churchill said of Americans, " They try everything but in the end do the correct thing." I've always liked Lando but now favour Oscar. He has a lot of decorum and a measured personality. He will be WC before Lando.
I think Lando knew the score and he did the right thing, one race win does not give you a championship you will need the team. Maclean fumbled, Rosberg and Karun put it nicely. Feel sorry for Oscar because the incident took the shine off this win.
No! One race doesn't make a difference but points do 😡
He threw away his second win and seven points. And he was publicly harrassed by his own team.
Mclaren have in the past had a race-to-the-1st-corner policy when they had front row lock outs.
Prost and Senna fell out about it: Coulthard and Hakkinen stuck to it - and Lando said he lost the race there.
This was the 1st time in forever that they had to implement it, and they did it clumsily, IMO.
I don’t think the Mclaren swap was as bad as people make out.
If they’ve previously discussed the 1st out of turn one thing then Piastri should have got preferable strategy but they absolutely had to protect Lando from undercut because he couldn’t drop points to Max and or Hamilton if he got undercut it would have made things much worse than the 1-2 swap around they dealt with.
And Lando pulling away after the stops is what made it more difficult at the end.
Lando should have slowed down a little on that lap and they should have pulled each other along until the end
Should have timestamps
I think McLaren made the cowards WDC strategic call to pit Lando first planning to use it as a way to have him win with less drama. And then someone pointed out it was going to be Oscars first F1 win and they felt guilty and didn't own their actions. It was never a call that was "covering" Lewis or Max that is a barely plausible excuse they are using as a flattering lie to avoid further pissing off the fans and more importantly both drivers who should rightfully be furious with them.
What we learned is that even before Lando becomes ruthless or whatnot, he needs to prove it first by be the driver leading at turn 1 every time he gets pole. Because that is one of the problems that needs to be addressed. To fail that and then go to the cooldown room and throw jabs at a 7 time world champion is very indicative of how much he still needs to grow as a driver. And McLaren also need to tackle their growing pains as a team. You are no longer a midfielder. Embrace it. They need a more assertive Stella. They screwed up and created the problem by pitting Lando first. That whole radio soap opera should not happen. If the team decides something like that, Stella needs to come to the radio and simply say: do it. Period. Because my question during all that radio chat was: "Who is in charge?"
Man I am so annoyed with McLaren
Me too, took the gloss off Oscar's first win.....
This, along with their driver lineup drama in IndyCar is making me think they’re just not a serious organization at the moment
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@@matrix35 everyone is hopping on the bandwagon so why not ? 🤦🏻♂️
@@chrisdawson9312big ron would never tolerate this bullshit
No idea why Lando didn't give the place back on lap 48 and then went on an attack on lap 49. Lando's instincts seems to be a drama Queen.
Deep down he knows he wouldn’t have had the speed to overtake Oscar. That’s why.
McLaren told both drivers whoever was ahead at lap 45 was going to win the race. So once the 2nd pitstop happened, Lando had to let him by because McLaren had messed up. They'd agreed to this beforehand, they just mucked it up thinking Hamilton was going to catch Lando, so they pit him first. It was just poor strategy.
@@joshn1678 Is there an official source where it mentions this lap 45 threshold? I’ve not heard this before
He's besties with Max, what do you expect
It’s pretty clear that Oscar has caught up with Lando speed wise. Cars are obviously even. Having two drivers with bad blood between them fighting each other, dive bombing, moving under breaking ignoring team orders in future is a recipe for disaster. Norris showed very poor judgement. He should have given the position back early and gone about trying to pass without getting it given on a plate.
Lando should have given the place back and raced for the win. But giving the place back doesn't make him weak.
British bias much? They constantly bring up vettel , Schumacher, Alonso, Verstappen….. but not Lewis! Like Lewis never disobeyed team orders….. even in the example they quote they accuse Alonso of not paying heed but not about Lewis. This small segment sums up the British media strangle hold of the F1 narrative. Been like that forever.
lewis is different than horner-run-hate-propaganda you are blindly following. you might notice it when you eventually grow up
@@shu6037🥱
More ruthless than that? They bullied and blackmailed Lando openly and humiliated Oscar. How much more...
Ruthless is the right word. F1 now has so many soft headed fans, worried about PR and Marketing. The weird paternalistic coaching on the mclaren radio was pathetic, and has no space in the F1 I used to love.
Lando could have let Oscar by immediately and then chased him down.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
He plays nice, gets exposed as being too soft.
If he doesn't play nice, he's labelled selfish.
He got dragged into giving back the position kicking and screaming. That's where he failed. He should have either given it back immediately (to then possibly even prepare an attack for the lead) or clearly stated he wasn't going to give it back
Plus, that awkward (and uncalled for) jab at Hamilton speaks volumes about Norris' current mental state
i think oscar will outshine lando by the end of this year
Probably long before then, he's way more composed under pressure, so when he gets a chance to lead he'll take the win, unlike Lando
Haven't seen anyone mention this but imo Lando threw away an opportunity to win by not giving the place back as soon as possible. He had the pace and could have had a straight and fair battle for the win and plenty of laps to do it in. Giving it back 2 laps from the end was a bad decision
I’m torn on this because whilst I do think that Lando was quicker during the final stint, I don’t think he was quick enough to overtake Oscar. Hungary is a difficult track to overtake on as shown by the lack of on track action during this race and previous races there. You usually need to be considerably quicker than the driver in front to overtake so I think that Lando might have found it quite difficult to overtake Oscar. Unless he thought he could stay within DRS range long enough to put pressure on Oscar to make a mistake, I don’t think that would have been the best option for Lando.
The disconnect between "team" vs "driver" has always baffled me in F1. I think F1 is the only sport where the two people actually playing the game, the race drivers, are actively encouraged to be ruthless towards each other. This is fine I suppose if you have the clearly superior car like Merc had in the Hamilton/Rosberg days. It's workable when you have a clear number one driver like Max vs. Checo even though Checo clearly suffers. But it makes NO SENSE if you have equal young drivers like Norris vs Piastri. That's why to criticize McLaren for prioritizing team over driver is wrong IMO. McLaren have been down and out for so long that the team as a whole need to relearn how to win. They don't have time for driver squabbles at this point. Maybe when they are dominant again, they can afford to go Prost vs. Senna again. But not now.
As for Lando needing to be ruthless to be world champion like every other world champion seemingly, I think he realizes that the only reason he's beating Max and Red Bull is because he has the better car at the moment. Being selfish now will undermine the car's and the team's development and will make him lose in the long term. It's why Lewis didn't care so much if George won when the Merc was terrible. It wasn't the time to be selfish.
I like the way you said Max had an "uncomfortable" race, WHAT!! In Max's head it was a complete disaster and didn't his engineer get it in the neck.
i think max would win if not for hamilton holding him. mclaren drivers and pitwall would easily lose that race after he caught up.
But all these ruthless drivers become multiple world champions
man these guys making excuses for max is embarrassing
they are scared to talk honestly
@@shu6037 why??
@@nothngspermanent its because they look at the online reactions and think majority of the viewers are rb max fans and they want to please them as much as possible.
Karum is hugely impressive as a commentator, I find myself agreeing with him one hundred percent of the time!
David coulthard said he was told to give up the place to mika and he said he was told if he didn't they would fire him
I love Tommo's comments. Great to see in this podcast. I saw his interview with Atze Kerkhof. Also a very interesting interview.
The excuse of oscar getting ahead at the start is a nonsense. If your teammate qualifies behind you, he's your blocker he stops everyone getting past you so you can focus on the start. Having to cover a teammate in similar equipment is a ridiculous bullshit strategy. They build around Norris or they loose him to another team .
Forgot to talk about the Ricciardo strategy debacle
There was no "controversy" Team orders exist in almost every race. For example, why aren't Sky talking about Lance refusing to give position back to Fernando, this weekend?
No controversy, just Sky being sensationalist as always.
Same with Max's Team radio.....All drivers get snappy with their RE, but F1tv and SkyF1 only choose to broadcast Max! Max does go further than most over the radio, but it the broadcasters that create a sensational narrative to propagate views. Liberty are responsible for much this, but you can't really blame them for wanting to attract viewers
My point is (predominantly for the newer fans) don't fall into the trap of believing the hype, nothing out of the ordinary happened in Hungary.
exactly my point. I really don't get why everyone is so wound up by Max's radio with GP. I think if they have something to say, they will talk in private. To say that Max disrespects everyone and is like this horrible person every race is just... wrong. Yes, he is not the calmest person, he is not the nicest, whatever, it is what it is, this is who he is, like him, hat3 him, whatever, but they should stop saying bad things about him every time. Also, it's funny to me how they never talk about how Max carries RBR on his sholders for the past months. He is basically fighting alone in the WCC and WDC agains 5-6 other drivers. This is a factor as well when it comes to his frustration, but everyone seems to leave that out of the convo, because God forbid they actually say something remotely nice about him :)).
3:50 I think what some race engineers go through is too much.
It’s sad that race engineers are more replaceable than drivers and I think both parties know that which kinda allows them to be shouted at.
Why is no one speaking about the fact that at the first corner at the start of the race Oscar forced his way through on Lando, what if Lando did not give way which actually ran max off track
With all respect to Lando.. within 12 months Oscar is quite likely going to surpass him and become McLaren’s no1 driver.
The kid is crushing it, is calm, cool and fast and very soon will be taking poles time and time again.
Lando has made a number of mistakes over the last few years and also the number of 2nd places finishes, his headspace just doesn’t seem like he’s going to become a ruthless champion… Oscar on the other hand is an F3 and F2 champion who mocked Alpine before he even got into F1 and now has a spring and a race win.
He’s hulkenberg 2.0
@@yaadmanstyleHow does that work exactly? Hulk has never sniffed a podium
Oscar is the Bjorn Borg of F1
@@charliegath6125 yeah hulk always bottled it, lando has that gene. Doesn’t have what it takes to beat max. He has the same amount of wins as Oscar lol.
I agree with KC to an extent of the feeling within the f1 community and understanding why lando ended up ahead
Thing is though, without the fans there is no f1 so that should be remembered when talking about the feeling within the f1 community
Fans follow teams of course, but at the end of the day for the fans, it’s all about who wins and who takes the drivers championship
We want to see a fight for a drivers championship
We don’t go to our friends and say “did you see McLaren are chasing RB for the constructers championship
We talk about drivers first and team second
Lando lost ground in the drivers championship and I bet he feels worse for that rather than doing the right thing for the team
Sports people want to win
Yes they need a team to do it but at the end of the day, lando is the only one who can challenge max this year and he’s lost ground and that’s sad
Oscar is only in the sport a short time and has plenty of time to challenge for a drivers championship
Lando is there a lot longer and he should of been out first even though Oscar got the better start
Now Oscar has a new confidence and RB are rubbing their hands as now Oscar will be alot closer to lando and it pretty much seals the drivers championship as now lando doesn’t have the teams full support to push this year
What a story it would be to overturn the gap to max
They were 1/2 anyways so they should of given the win to lando to enhance his chances of catching max
True , only way team benefits is for Lando to take the win , no points gained by giving it to Oscar , if they truly think this decision was for the team they are mistaken.
Simple way to get rid of the 'controversy' and needless discussions over radio - ban team orders altogether.
McLaren's fault completely, feel for Oscar and lando.
Lando is not a team player or a WC material. He lost on both fronts
Why do ALL commentators feel the need to say that Piastri fulfilled a childhood dream? Do they not understand the EVERY SINGLE DRIVER has dreamt of winning their first grand prix? What's so special about HIS childhood dream, as opposed to Lando's dream of winning more than one grand prix?
You can not be serious
Couldn't have said it better myself.
So what you’re saying is, Piastri’s dreams aren’t more important then other people dreams or ambitions? You then highlight that Norris has dreams as well as if you’re suggesting his dreams are more important. All drivers matter, it’s just in this specific instance they’re highlighting the race winners dream being realised. What’s wrong with that?
And this is why Piastri will the WDC in 2025 and not Lando.
Lets be really honest, Lando isn't going to win the WDC with or without the 7 points.
He was saved from a 3rd place finish by compromising Piastri.
Yep - he has his fans, but to the rest, Lando is at best insolent. The tanty against LH in the cooldown room shows his poor attitude.
McLaren ballsed up the race and took us back 10 years. I only hope Norris doesn’t lose the championship by the points the team took from him.
Give over. Lando has lost many more points by himself over the last few races.
Norris has no chance of winning the championship.
@@lolzlolz69If Norris wants to win the Championship, he needs to drastically improve his starts.
@@Surfsausit's a long shot but not impossible, especially if Mercedes start developing and Red Bull continue to fall behind.
They "gave" those points to him in the first place he wasn't passing Oscar on track no where near enough delta Horner was saying you needed 1.5s a lap Lando was less than 0.5 in clean air.
The thing is, I have doubts that Norris can win the championship. Especially in a close battle. I hope he can prove me wrong.
But I don’t think he could defeat Max, or even Lewis, George or Charles in equal/similar cars. He has less wins than Max this year and as many wins this season as the other three. And they’ve had far less opportunities to win in the last twelve months than Norris has.
Whether it was his mistake and/or the team’s mistake, they’ve lost out on a couple of wins this season that I don’t think would’ve happened as much if Hamilton, Russell or Leclerc were in that car instead of Norris.
And now you’ve got Piastri, who’s only getting stronger and faster and more consistent. It wouldn’t surprise me if Oscar at some point in the future, becomes the team leader at McLaren.
pple had doubts of lewis being a 7x world champion because his black, look where he is now
@@ultravenommyou took none of this guys true arguments and just added some false argument no one said.
@@ultravenomm That makes literally no sense. Anyone who doubted Lewis because of that shouldn’t be taken seriously. That’s not relevant to driving ability.
This is about Norris’s driving ability and how others are probably better drivers because they drive better/have been more impressive than Norris.
@@ultravenomm I watched him at Silverstone in 2007 and after that had zero doubts he was something special.
You are right though, there are many who doubted him then, again when he joined Mercedes in 2013 and 18 years, 7 WDC’s, 104 wins/poles, 200 podiums later there are still those who doubt him.
@@ultravenommLewis took the fight to the then-best driver on the grid during his rookie season. And that driver came on the back of B2B wins beating the greatest driver in history at that time. It would be like Piastri joining RB last season and finishing on equal points with Max.
Lando has been in F1 for 6 years and has only won 1 race, the same amount Ricciardo and Piastri have won for McLaren.
When Matt asked Karun how his week was, Karun forgot to mention the grilling he got from the Checo fans 😂 he shouldn't forget what happened
I feel for Lando, he was leading the race due to an error from the strategy team undercutting Oscar. I’m with Lando and I feel he shouldn’t have given the position back, race wins are not guaranteed in this sport and he’s effectively now given up any slim hope of a title challenge. Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel, Verstappen would not have yielded position and this is what separates the best from the best. They really put Lando in a tough place and the radio messages about not being backed by the team if he didn’t comply was absolutely absurd.
If Lando loses the Championship by 7 points, he will get slandered as not being ruthless (like a Schumacher, Vettel, Verstappen) and trophyless when really it's McLaren leadership who have let him down massively. They clearly don't think he's going to win the title, or the clear No1 driver at the team.
how the hell have they set up a studio that looks worse than a zoom call hahaha. Why are they sat in the dark?
@15m40s agreed they are viewing the long term success inc pinning down these 2 drivers as more importance than the very slim (all be it doable) chance of catching max this season and with or without that given the relative success and harmony at the team just now looks like they are odds on for the lucrative constructors as is....
If lando let oscar past straight after the pit, would they let them race from that point on?
Almost certainly not. They would have let him caught up and then told him to hold station, just as they did in Monza with him and Daniel.
They were allowed to race up to last pitstop. Then it was supposed to be about tyre management to protect the 1,2. so they would not have raced each other.
Keep repeating it 7 different winners in 13 races WOAAOW! But… 6 of them won only 1 race and 1 Ver. has won 7 races. Geo.,Sai.,Ham.,Lan.,Osc.,Lec., and
There should be a section for the quality of commentary of David Croft and the team
It’s becoming clear that David, Alex, Jolyon and Laura are a more balanced and neutral team of commentators on the Formula1 broadcast
crofty's great at play by play though.
yea, I used to listen to sky sports commentary, mostly cause of Brundle's knowledge and Crofty hype.
But Crofty is becoming increasingly annoying.
Are you by chance a Max fan that doesn't like the truth being spoken?
Watch Sky listen to F1TV only because we're not allowed F1TV Pro in Australia.
@@TheTororistLol when? Shouting on the mic doesn’t mean good play by play. Martin and Nico are the best in sky for play by play because they drove f1. Move to F1tv and you’ll know what good play by play is.
Stella also made it clear the scenario and the team’s attitude towards it has long been explicit, as discussed on the morning of each race. “We talk about our principles going racing. One is the interests of the team comes first. If you mess up in this matter you cannot be part of the McLaren team.”
So: that now makes it clear what corporate F1 is today: it's ALL about the constructors championship and NOT the drivers!
So if Lando had told them "F off I'm winning this race as I am 5- 6 seconds in front and pulling away" and I want to win the championship!!!
And if he did that, what are they gonna do ? Sack him, don't give him upgrades? Make him pay for his breakfast?😂.
Those ruthless, successful drivers would NEVER have done what Lando did!!
If max goes all out in spar and wins then it's just about what " team McLaren" deserve!!
No doubt Oscar will help Lando in the next races. If it wasn't for this soap opera, the race would have seemed a bit boring.
Nothing like 3 experts discussing F1. "Content creator" is up there with 'podcaster' and 'token minority'.
Once Norris started comfortably pulling away from Piastri, that should have been the end of the matter, fact is Oscar didn't drive particularly well after the first stint. Now McLaren are left hoping a mighty comeback doesn't end with Lando losing the title by seven points or less.
Will be really interesting coming in to Abu dhabi if this decision will hurt Landos title hopes.
For me this was a defining moment from McLaren and Lando. It showed me neither have the drive and belief to be world driver champions this year. I’m a Lando fan but he shouldn’t have given up that spot. There’s enough races to go that seven points can be the difference between being number one or not. It’s a little insulting saying fans don’t understand the sport. Some of us have been studying and enjoying F1 for decades
Oscar lost control of his car and went off the track TWICE, which cost him a total of 5 - 6 seconds.
Lando didn’t make any mistakes during the race.
You don’t deserve to win a race just because you overtake your teammate at the first corner, especially if you go off track twice.
People seem to miss this. lando being slightly too cautious in the first corner needs to be worked on, but his race pace more than makes up for it. The first corner shouldn’t dictate who wins, that makes for a very boring race.
It's funny how many pundits and fans curl themselves into a ball and say "could Lewis have done more to avoid the contact?" but yet stop short of actually saying "Lewis could have done more to avoid contact". Because far be it for any blame to be cast on Sir Ham, especially by any Brit.
Giving up a race win is never convenient
If they were line astern, I could understand the switch call. Or even if Oscar caught back up with his fresher tyres, but Lando pulled 6 seconds clear on Oscar & he had absolutely no answer to that. When the conversation started, Max was coming in FAST until he drove over Lulu's car, so if Lando suddenly lost 6 seconds plus to get Oscar ahead, McLaren could have turned a cast iron one two into a one three. It's possibly only the crash that prevented this.
Poorly executed strategy, poorly handled radio calls. Ron Dennis would have handled it better in the good old days.
Oscar’s a future champ in my opinion
He is the most ruthless guy on the track. He barely celebrated whenever he gets a W or podium. Kimi 2.0
I guess if they force his teammate to hand it to him
22:41 NICE
I have no doubt McLaren can win a championship,even more so now 👍🇬🇧
you should do one on why SKY SPORTS needs to be less biased for the British drivers.
The ones that earn less get less respect, f1 included.
36:18 Don't let the couch experts see this
In the eyes of the fans the driver comes first the team second, end of argument
Forza ferrari first drivers 2nd
Karun is such a good egg.
why was this conversation recorded
McLaren's current team management is holding them back from winning titles. Despite currently having the fastest car on the grid, their strategic decisions are among the worst. While Andrea Stella has turned around car performance and deserves praise for that, it's time for new leadership on the pit wall.
Stella’s focus on the team's image over potential points in the drivers' championship is baffling. His attempt to avoid a PR disaster by emotionally manipulating Lando over the radio (since Stella was actually the one telling Lando race engineer what to say on the radio) not only failed but also created an even bigger PR issue and cost crucial championship points for Lando.
The recent board meeting likely didn’t go well, despite the 1-2 finish. Stella should continue managing the technical side of the team, but McLaren needs someone like Ron Dennis on the pit wall to make the right strategic calls.
they ain't winning the championship regardless, Max is too far ahead
I think Lando has made a couple of mistakes but overall, McLaren have cost Lando, who is Max's closest rival, far too many points lately. I also fundamentally disagree that Piastri, as much as i like him, deserved that win. Terribly managed by McLaren. Lando also needs to realise he won't win championships by playing the nice guy. Every single F1 champion i can think of goes against team orders & does 'bad' things to win.
Maybe McLaren should hire these 3 experts to run the team
Man, I hate Sky commentating. It's so blatantly partisan it's galling if you're not British. Cannot stand the ridiculous narratives they like to push, how nakedly hostile they are towards Verstappen while licking the British driver's boots... Just be professional and impartial guys. Why is that so hard?
They should have switched sooner and then let them race
I feel that McLaren is becoming a dominant team and in a few years they will win both the Driver and Constructors championship.🏁🏆
Norris was way faster and gapping piastri on old tyres , he was absolutely right to say piastri to catch up... Norris has to be ruthless if he wants to win the championship which obviously his team doesn't care
Once and if, McLaren secured the constructors championship, then they might make team orders a thing. Only if Lando keeps up to Max. Big ask, though.
Oscar is not underwhelmed he’s just boring. The team screwed up but expected lando to take the punishment on their behalf, if you think that is fair then maybe give up on commentary
Lando isn’t aggressive enough in turn 1 hence he always loses the lead
Karun needs to read the officials report. Lewis did exactly the same as his previous laps. On the other hand Max breaks further ahead of his breaking point. It's all written on the report.🙄
And Checo isn't going anywhere! He won't lose his seat.
Jesus get straight to talking about what the title states instead of everything else
McLaren doesn't know how to win yet... cause they messed the strategy up.. then it ending being you have the chance to take max points from verstappen.. gained 8 points instead of 15 points. Bad move.. lando should have won the race.. theres a championship going on...
Can't wait for the race this weekend at Belgium grand Prix between max mercedes and McLarens
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3:25 bono at silverstone? tense?? they have the most cordial relationship on the grid. "leave me to it" is probably as harsh as lewis ever hets
@@TheTororist your thick then. Listen to how Lewis talks to bono at Dutch 2022 race. No difference to max. It’s what happens when drivers are shafted by teams. Yet dense people jump on the verstappen hate train.
@@ThomasHughes-po9hx lol lewis wasn't shouting or cursing at bono you mug
I disagree with the narrative that Oscar had that race won if they pitted him first. He had barely a 2 second gap, he would have been under massive pressure by lando on slightly fresher tyres who has been mega on lower fuel at the end of races, chasing his first win a year and a half after debut, we also saw him make 2 mistakes and lando have a better last stint… does he win? Probably..but definitely not definitely and he’ll know that.
Correct. Lando was essentially banned from trying to win the race.
Yeah but we don't know how much Lando was pushing like crazy to extend his gap and "prove" he had pace whereas Oscar may not have been pushing like crazy to close down Lando after being told Lando would return the position. So you can't just assume too much from the last stint gaps tbh. We'll never know but we would have known if they pitted Oscar first because then they would have been free to race. However Oscar extended the gap in stint one and it's hard to be following in Hungary so Lando may not have overtaken him or been able to have the same pace he had in clean air.
He also had slow pit stop (2.9 seconds). Yes Lando did too in his first (2.9 seconds) but overall Lando's total pits stop time was 2 tenths quicker than Oscar. Yes I know it's not much at all but something to take into account.
Still, it's easier to defend in Hungary and he would have had clean air advantage over Lando, even if Lando was quicker.
Yeah, I don't understand what McLaren is even thinking. They could win both championships and they're throwing it away.
I don't think we watched the same race to be fair, Oscar had almost +5 Sec gap and made a mistake, allowing Lando to close the gap again. I agree that Oscar is quick, but I can tell you he's not on Lando's Level (World Champion ability).
@@georgemathebula4661 Oscar’s only into his second season of F1 and is only getting better. And while Lando might still be better for now, that gap between them is closing fast. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Oscar overtook Lando as leader at McLaren over the next few seasons.
And as for your point on “world champion ability”. As far as the non-champions go, the only ones, in my opinion, that have shown “world champion ability” are Russell & Leclerc.
Yep, made a mistake but still led. Lando never got within DRS. Lando has zero chance of WDC, so why alienate Oscar when you gave him your word? ("Don't worry about Lando", when Lando was given undercut)
But Lando doesn’t have the championship mentality. Seb, Schumi, Alonso, Ham, Max would never give the position back. Oscar will win a championship before Lando.
lando is nowhere near wc material
@@shu6037 He ended Daniels career bro
Petition to change the name of this podcast to "The Perfect Sugue"
@13m no chanve because of where they have come from given how bad the last 10 plus years have been the clearly on the cards 1-2 was more important than ANYTHING