2023 North Sonar Foil System Review
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
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Any recommenations for the following: MA 1050, HA 1250 old, 85cm Carbon Mast. Short fuse. Longer fuse ordered. Does a MA 1350 make sense for freeride on a lake? Struggle a bit with the HA 1250 to get it started in lighter wind. Maybe i need more time with 85cm and CF600. (coming from AXIS bsc1060, short standard fuse, 75cm mast)
That's a great question, my friend. 🤙🏽 A quick phone call might be the best way to suss this one out. Got time to chat? (800) 622-4555
Hi Tucker, I have a sk8 950 and was thinking of swapping to north, sf and ha, how do the north foils compare to the sk8 for pump, stall speed and manoeuvrability? Cheers
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Great review! I am just wondering, if you had already tried the stabilizer S178 with HA850 front wing? Did you feel any difference compared to stab S208?
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Hei Tucker, every you said here is so true 😃😃😃 thanks for providing guidance!! So ... I am still with the original 1050HA + s270 setup. I am pretty happy and still impressed by the amazing glide. Also the turning ability. The 1050 has a great low end too but it's limited to 10kts for me.
I want to get a better low end (8-10kts). Which route is best?
-1450HA (2023)?
-SF1080 or SF1230?
For full context: I am 75kg, 80L board, biggest wing a Nova V3 6.0. I ride on mostly flat lakes, which gets bumps in hi winds.
I am leaning towards the 1450HA since it works with S270 too and maybe I can use it with a future dw board?
Keen to hear your thoughts! I want more of the same just with lower wind basically. 🙏 Thanks
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I'd say just jump into a DW style board. You may get a little more low end on a 1450HA but the DW board is necessary for those super light winds.
-Tucker
@@MACkiteboarding hei Tucker & friends, apologies for the late response. Too much winds here in Estonia! 5 days straight on the water and less behind the screens! Thanks for the inputs. Yes considering that setup! Exciting times ahead. We need more LW DW setup videos 😉
Tucker great and informative review as usual. Have 2200R and 1350MA. In one of your replies I saw you recommend HA better than MA for light wind. Sometime with MA1350 and light wind I struggle to take off. You think HA1250 or 1150 easier for take off? Thanks a lot
That would depend on your conditions and ability but I do find the HA1050 much easier to start than the MA1050. I'd guess you'll do better on the HA1250 and the HA1150 might be similar to your MA1350. -Tucker
Hello! thanks for the video. I have some questions:
1- Now I have the MA1050, in your opinion, what do I gain and what do I lose if I buy the HA850, in comparison.
2- Which one has more top speed and which one is able to go better with light wind.
3- The s210 stabilizer is compatible with HA850. Or is it preferable to buy the s208.
4-The s208 stabilizer is compatible with MA1050, or should I continue to use the s210 with it.
Thanks!!
1- The turns remain pretty similar but the HA850 is more capable at high speeds.
2- The HA850 is notably faster and has better glide but requires more speed for lift.
3- I prefer the 210 or 208 stab to maximize the top speed and glide on the HA850.
4-Yes, you can also use the 208 on the MA1050 but you will lose some low speed lift.
-Tucker
nice review! any comment son direffrence between 2021 to current mast and fuselage? standard c700 nowadays. but is there anything new on the connection? the perfect fitting one you pointed out?
found the answer further down in the comments
@@ralphgermershausen66 Same fuse and mast. Different stab included for 2022/23
How you can compare carbon mast with Armstrong A+ ? Is new Armstrong performance mast is so much better?
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Hi, great review. What mast size do you use in those conditions? Also an HA 1050 is comparable in lift with a MD 1350 in 13-15 knots? Thanks
Mostly the 85cm. Yes, I find with some technique you can get the same low end on the 1050ha. -Tucker
I have an aluminum setup/72cm, carbon wings, with a 2200 reflex. You can stall, be completely still and catch yourself before your drop off foil or get hit with a 30kt gust and go way too fast.
Thank you for sharing the stoke with us, my friend! 🤙🏽 Good winds to you. -Aaron
Awesome review Tucker 👏
What foil setup would you recommend for a kite foiler looking to start winging? I'm 180lbs and have a north kite foil rig already with 1150 wing. I've heard bigger is better for a beginner, was thinking the MA1350 or maybe the 1850R. Thanks
1850R would be best for light wind learning. If you have decent wind and flat water you can learn on a MA1350 for sure, you'll just need a bit more wind. -Tucker
I'v had both North foils and Sab foils and find the finish quality on the North a much higher quality, I'd put it on par with the brands over 2K, I really struggle to find any faults with the North foils and the range just keeps getting bigger and better. Its so easy to pack away and set up as well compared to the armstrong fuse and mast connection
What sort of speeds have you managed to get on the 850HA?
Thanks for the review
Hey James, I'm not a speed freak and I don't GPS myself but the 850 is pretty stinking fast. As fast as I need to go anyway. It's less about the top speed for me and more about the glide and efficiency. The ability to ride a smaller foil in the swell for maximum control and glide. It's a very easy foil to ride fast and you are going faster than it feels like which is a nice feeling.
-Tucker
Hey,
nice review. What foil would you recommend for a beginner (no foil experience, only windsurfing) who wants to start wing foiling?
I am 70 kg (150 lbs).
I was thinking about the 1500r.
Thanks mate! Greetings from Germany!
Yes, 1500R would be excellent. If you didn't mind a little learnig curve the 1450ha would be great as well.
-Tucker
@@MACkiteboarding thanks for the quick response! I am going for the 1500r
Looks really good, thanks For The subtitles in spanish!! 👍🏼
No problem 😊
Hi. Great positive review. There's no information on the HA850 on their website, what are it's specs? Also seems lately all the foil reviews lately are positive, you may need to start adding comparative descriptions to help identify what to choose next. Regards. PS: As an idea choose a point in time eg: each quarter or half year and do a video on all the foils you've tested during the last period and provide summary pros and cons against the various foils.
From the video HA850 wingspan 920mm with 850cm2 projected area. AR is about 10.
@@EkapolTharasiriroj Thank you!
These will be released soon. I do plan to do a "Tucker's Favorites" video soon. The truth is... most of our brands are making exceptional foils and it's only the small details that separate them. Very hard to choose these days but hard to make a bad choice too. Oftentimes comes down to mast choices, accessories, price, niche performance, and board compatibility. -Tucker
for 10 knots wind, is it better ma1200, ha1050 or ha1250?
The HAs are better in light winds. How much do you weigh? What wing/board? - Tucker
great review! would be cool to know weight difference with alu vs carbon on the pieces like fuselage and mast.
C700 is 40% lighter than the A700 Fuselage
CF85 is 23% lighter then the AF85cm alloy mast.
@@Uli_Sommerlatt 🙏
Here is the weight of my gears
C600 60cm carbon fuse 537g
C700 70cm carbon fuse 587g
CF72 72cm carbon mast 1,625g
AL85 85cm al mast 2,400g
Thanks for the additional information! 🤙🏽 It's great to have specific weight comparisons for the different parts of the North Sonar Foil System, as this can help riders make more informed decisions when choosing their gear. The weight savings of the carbon components over the aluminum ones are significant, and can make a big difference in the overall performance and handling of the foil. It's always a good idea to consider the weight, stiffness, and durability of the different components when choosing your foil gear, as these factors can greatly impact your riding experience. Thanks again for sharing this helpful information, and if you have any more questions or comments, feel free to ask. Good winds! -Aaron
What difference does fuse length make? Thanks. JK
Longer fuses give you more stability and glide. Shorter fuses give you a tighter turning radius and more responsive pitch. -Tucker
Hello ! The difference between 2021 mast + fusselage x 2022 ?
2022 fusellage is 10cm longer
@@giorgio4660700mm fuse is available from 2020 but they put 600mm fuse in the foil set.
2022 edition change to 700mm which is good as it is more suitable for beginer.
@@EkapolTharasiriroj Same fuse and mast as 2021, just different stabs and fuses included in the "kit" - Tucker
@@MACkiteboarding Hi Tucker, which fuse length do prefer for winging for your level with the HA 850?
@@stonesugarcompany5845 Depends on the conditions and boards but typically 470 stab with 600 or 210 stab with 700. The 210 with 700 is my fave since I mostly ride boards 4'10-5'2" -Tucker
Are the foils themselves changed from last year?
I believe the MA wings were introduced. The HA's were there already. The stab was crap and is now much better. Gunnar Binniasch is their test development rider... good influence there!
Good question….
Last year HA is HA1250 (AR6.5) and HA1450 (AR7.1) From my calculation the new HA850 AR is about 10! Maybe for racing.
Yes, completely different designs. The 2023 HAs are a huge upgrade. -Tucker
At the smaller sizes you can go higher aspect with less consequence. The 850ha is a magic size. Great speed and glide with good rolling maneuverability as well. A real jack of all trades as long as you have proper power. -Tucker
North foils 💩, Sabfoil ❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥. Where's the Foil Friday love for Sabfoil?
LOL, I've got something cooking for Kraken but not a whole lot to say. They've made some great stuff but nothing overly exciting lately. - Tucker
As a Sabfoil user the comment that caught my attention at 5:44 .."no whistle out of the box"... I am so done with Sabfoil right now... After being on North wings I am crossing over to their foils .. also the amount of info North puts out there on which wing for which use case is very useful. Sabfoil is so weak in this department. In a world where we cannot always test wings before buying it's so critical to have proper and complete product info and info on the entire range