You got a good point the SS United States literally was the fastest ocean line to ever exist. The fact that they’re just going to sink the ship is just like that is crazy.
A sign of the times.... The whole U. S. is now in the grip of malevolent insanity...just look on what is happening....immigrants, homelessness, drugs...
I totally agree. The S.S. United States must be saved! What happened with Penn Warehousing is disturbing and annoying. This is a very important piece of history and should not be considered just like anything else as if it's "shelf life"! There's a reason why this ship has survived this long, and I have a feeling she still has something up her sleeves and another force is alongside her.
Sadly whoever they gave the contract to for removing asbestos from her chose to go the easy route and they simply gutted her entire interior. Walls, ceilings, floors, everything. So she is an empty metal box and it would be beyond anyone but Elon Musk to afford to put an interior back in there now.
Because the ship is completely gutted and it would cost hundreds of millions to restore her. No one is willing to put up that kind of money, unfortunately.
The Battleship New Jersey was just polished up I think and the Fletcher class Destroyer Kidd is getting some badly needed repairs. This ship deserves restoration to at the minimum a museum. I would donate if someone took on the project.
These are extremely important points because the SS United States is the literal FLAGSHIP OF THE USA! I would move it somewhere around Boston or so for it being a United States landmark too so having the flagship there is marvelous plus the entire area is based around the 50’s with still older buildings
Boston would be a very good city to have the SS US docked, I will recommend it to the Petition creator as we are looking for possible cities that might have the funds to purchase the ship.
@@WMRRCOBoston is absolutely not a good idea. The port cannot handle a resident ship of this size, nevermind the horrible state of the roads near Charlestown/seaport (for visitors)
Even though Milwaukee Clipper is having a similar affect but there is progress on the historical ship compared to this which makes it sad especially the S.S United States
I know people shouldn’t humanize inanimate objects too much, it’s unhealthy…but just to make a point, someone should make a sign of SS United States crying saying ‘Please don’t sink me’ she’s barely lived her life to the full potential, we held her back most of her service life so she had a running mate in SS America a much slower, smaller ship, and now we’re sinking such a historic ship who still has so much potential within and so much history that needs to be preserved I’d say if she were alive she’d be devastated with how Okaloosa County’s decided to deal with her and be crying herself to sleep from here on out
She is screaming for rest. How would you feel rotting in the same place for the rest of your life, your innards ripped out, your skin flaying and decaying endless as an incompetent group tries to keep you on life support for no reason.
It was stated that given the fact she's gutted, it's more of a window of opportunity to do something more, the vessel if anything is more of an open canvas to do something more, you could say it's a window of opportunity to go something different, make a community centere around the vessel, restoration of the original interior doesn't have to be the final objective. The final objective is to have the vessel literally not dead. Reefing her was never a form of preservation, the currents in the Gulf can be really aggressive and can easily rip the vessel up, take a look at the Andrea Dorea Reefing as a whole isn't Preservation, it's still counting as scrapping, it's only Mother Nature that does the cutting up
YOURE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!There should be a law against this or at least ihibiting the proccess of such operations!Im sending this petition to all of my friends and try t convince them to join as well....thanks!
For the Hulletts it’s looking like how Big Muskie turned out. Then again, machines of that caliber, getting scrapped is a part of their lifecycle. Big Muskie’s Bucket survives, if anything a Bucket from one of the Hulletts would be at least enough in my eyes. They’re mammoth machines, maintenance would be living hell for a small society working on a machine doing pretty much nothing else but looking pretty in a field.
I understand why, but the US also went, “on let’s preserve our BB (battleship) Iowa class and the Texas”. Which is cool, but Congress did preserve the Iowa class BBs. But not the SS United States and I don’t think they care. They just want to spend our money on weapons for Ukraine. (I am sorry I am going to mambo on about the government). It is like why do we have to be the world’s police force? But we can’t preserve our trade, like steam trains are private owned, the queen marry is private owned. But when there is history that needs to be saved our government can’t do jack shit. I live in the country side and the house is like from the 1990’s but my room feels like it is from the 1800s. Sorry just had to get that out.
Okaloosa county needs to rethink this crime against historyi! The United States is a historical ship that needs to be saved!! It’s a one of a kind national treasure
I agree with about everything everybody here is saying. To sink her would be a national tragedy. I'll sign a petition to save the United States. I have tried to contact the president of the foundation she belongs to, with no success. Something is going to have to happen and soon. Shes too valuable to lose that way.
I hate to say it, but at this point. Okaloosa county proposal is probably going to be the best option for the SS United States in terms of future preservation.
This is a video I've wanted to do for the past few years, its great to see other people who feel the same way, every other year has seen multiple huge losses and it just keeps stacking.
You know as someone in import export if I had a large enough to operate my own shipping I always felt like she would be an okay lolo conversion especially with her high speed. She would also make a fantastic hospital or troop ship like she was originally designed for. Interiors already gutted giving a great slate for conversion. I don't know if I would consider that preservation but it would be a better fate at the very least
It is a shame but it’s also not possible to preserve everything. It’s too expensive. It was only an Ocean Liner for 10 years before it became a cruise ship.
This is world history. IDC about prices, the government can at least pay for the rent. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the Queen Mary ships are the only ocean liners left, besides this ship and the fact how they're just getting rid of it, the fastest of ocean liners, which by the way were the primary way of sea transportation for over a century.
I actually got to go see those last 2 huletts just 2 months before the announcement that they planned to scrap them. I'm glad I got to see them, especially since I live in canada, so getting all the way to ohio was a challenge. Upset that I'll probably never see the s.s United states now though. Because screw preservation, we need money!
@@WMRRCODon’t worry. Michigan Central Station is an amazing example of preservation. Imagine what could happen if Buffalo Central Terminal is saving in Buffalo, New York.
As a big fan of ships and specifically Great Lakes freighters, it does hurt to see what happened to the huletts. I do feel for the SS United States. To me it would be like if they decided to scrap the Edward L Ryerson. Tragic.
As much as I would've loved and would love to see the huletts and the SS United States saved there needs to be things thought about such as "Where are we going to place these" for example the SS United states is 990FT in length where would they dock her to save her, I'm sorry it would be awesome to see her or the huletts be saved but there's no spot they could or could've been placed at. Before anything is said about the RMS Queen Mary they had to make a dock for her just so she could be saved.
Ships are not even remotely on the same level as rail preservation and cannot be thought of as such. It is not possible to crowdsource hundreds of millions dollars to completely re-fit a 50000 ton ship. To put in a few other terms, reconstructing the White House in 1948 cost over $50 million today, and this is about a dozen times larger, so over $600,000,000. For that kind of money, one could build dozens of new steam locomotives (that's 60 T1 trusts, and you can see how hard even one of those is). You would basically be better off building an entirely new ship in the 10000 ton range, a reproduction of Carpathia, for example. You have to come to reality eventually with things like this. Also--this is a pitfall of a lot of rail "museums"--a junk pile is NOT preservation. (If your museum has a bunch of rusty rolling stock sitting in the weeds, they are not preserved!!) The options are it either continues in its unpreserved state doing nothing but deteriorating and being a never-ending money pit in docking fees, or it moves to a different state of non-preservation and does not cost any more money. 0 - 0 = 0; there is no net loss from its removal.
Hey. If Michigan Central Station could be saved from destruction, so can the SS United States. Look at all the times Detroit wanted to demolish that building. Look at how Buffalo Central Terminal is still standing. SS United States could definitely be saved.
@@mikemancini313 It must be first understood that Michigan Central was not "saved." It was not philanthropy, it was not for history. It's a corporate development--the building does not have a special place in the heart of a company motivated only by profit. Michigan Central is a steel framed building right outside a major urban center suited for redevelopment into class A office space. It is not a ship with no place to go, and with engineering and design requirements that simply don't exist in architecture. It makes no sense for a developer to purchase 50k tons of ship, have a shipbuilder (!!) rebuild its interior, _move_ it multiple times, purchase an entire pier, and build the ground based infrastructure required to support it, when they could simply buy an existing tower or build one for a fraction of the cost. Could've would've should've. Everything's all possible in a fanfic, but I'm explaining why it's not happening in the reality we live in, and no amount of wishful thinking from children on the internet is going to change the facts of the situation.
@@ironmatic1 That’s your controversial opinion. If they didn’t care about the history in Michigan Central Station, then why did they preserve some of the graffiti from the train station to represent the decades it sat abandoned, why was the surrounding park saved, why wasn’t the building demolished 10 to 20 years before dude? Not sure what your point is. That saving a sixteen story abandoned building isn’t incredible? You clearly don’t know who the Ford family is and their commitment to Detroit. As bad as Detroit is, preserving the station was preserving history. Why else did they try so meticulously to get the building looking like it did in 1914? The nearby Southwest Detroit Hospital is going to be demolished for corporate development. Michigan Central Station is a huge landmark in Detroit. Have you even seen the station.
@@ironmatic1 All museums are developments in one way or another. Titanic museum in Belfast is a good example of a development on top of a former shipyard. Is it not?
There's never enough money to go around for historical preservation. The United States' overseeing organization has repeatedly failed to get traction. The historic fabric of the interior is gone, having been abated and scrapped over twenty years ago overseas. The hull is all that's left. If an American ocean liner should have been saved, it should have been SS America, which was wrecked decades ago. The United States, aside from speed, was completely overshadowed historically by European liners in terms of features, interior design, and passengers carried. Queen Mary is a far better representation of the golden age of ocean liners. People have had forty years to preserve the United States, and its gone nowhere. Nobody cares about a ship from the tail end of the ocean liner era when the jet airliner was already entering service and the vessel only made a profit because it was subsidized. If I could go back and save historic ships from American history, the United States would not even be on my list. Enterprise, SS America, USS Hartford, and others would be well ahead on my list. If it had commercial value for the cost to preserve, someone would have footed the money, and every backer has realized there is too much ship to preserve, with not enough draw to make it worthwhile.
If a miracle happens and one day she comes a museum, it just looks like that’s not going to happen. As much as we love to save her, it’s just time to say goodbye. This is bullsh!t.
As someone who has a small -- a very small -- part in raising money for one of the Great Lakes museum ships, I have one question for the "they oughta make her a museum" types: Where's your checkbook?
I think the reason why not a lot of people care about history is because. How would that make thing adding or removing from your life. I think the average Joe has lost interest in history. Like I do civil war reenactment and I remember when like thousands and thousands of spectators and reactors would show up. But now it is just a few, some of the reason why is because the older generations don’t know how to talk to the younger generations. I do Civil War reenactment and they are fun, but you don’t get the same vibes as the 150 anniversary reenactments. Like I remember when I was in the last battle of the 150. (I don’t remember the battle name). But it was so much cooler than the 160 we have today. Yeah sure there was about 900-ish soldiers for the whole battle for the 160. But I am going to drive home the point. The news doesn’t really care about this stuff a lot (maybe local). But not big news, like the deaths of the hurricane that went into Florida and to Kentucky. I think, anyway the news doesn’t really care about that stuff and. The economy is not great right now, so like it is a double hit to these historical times. We the people don’t have enough money to spend on that. Maybe if the economy was better then people would care.
ACW reenacting is down because we havent had a bunch of hit themed movies about it like we had in the 90's glorifying it. you go back to the late 80's early 90's and its a bunch of young guys exited about it because of growing up watching westerns and civil war movies, and then you look in the 2000's and its the same guys but 10 years older, and the 2010's its again the same guys but another 10 years older, and the 20's its the same guys but etc etc. the 150 was the big retirement sendoff for all the guys who jumped in after the gettysburg and gods and generals craze. ww2 era is having the same issue right now with the private ryan guys retiring. make another hit like gods and generals and youll get more reenactors.
@@naganomancer I know where you care coming from and I understand your point. I think that the big movie directors either A, they don’t really care or B, they do care but money and men power is what they need. Could it be men power, maybe, I don’t know the film industry a lot
We have enough to do both, and Ukraine is being invaded by a tribe of barbarians who want to reassemble the Soviet Union with other people's land. Also, this ship has sat for years. The landlord and the conservancy can share the blame.
To play devil's advocate: What are we supposed to do with the SSUS? She's gutted on the inside, and the restoration cost would be ridiculously high. While it pains me to see her go, it's probably the best option for the poor girl. I will still sign the petition, but I've excepted that it might be a long shot.
My brother in Christ, she is literally a shell of her former self. SSUS has been rotting for decades and the conservatory has done such a piss poor job and at this point there is nothing they can do. She is better off being made into an artificial reef. Atleast then she will be better preserved than anything the conservancy could do. She would still benefit the environment, and people could still visit her. If she remains in the conservancy hands she will just continue to decay and decay and eventually she will be scrapped. She deserves to finally rest, not be a husk.
Not a fan of this video. I understand why he's upset, but that's no reason to claim the landlord wants to destroy history. That's misinformation, and it's a dick move. The S.S. United States is pretty well screwed. It's almost as big as a warship, and it's been gutted and sitting for decades. Ships are difficult enough to keep in good nick when they're running, never mind one sitting in the water with no repairs. If someone can save it, I'd cheer, but the sinking permits have been purchased. Also, artificial reefs support way more than lionfish.
This shows that just because an object (vehicle or tool) is from a certain time period doesn't mean that it will automatically be preserved, no matter what. If there's any type of vehicle that I would like to see be preserved automatically, it would be a steam locomotive. In fact, I would actually like to see a law be passed in the future that makes it completely illegal to scrap any and all steam locomotives built before the year 2000.
There is no saving the SS United States. She had one chance at salvation, being purchased by NCL in 1979. That salvation went to SS France. Unfortunately, we can't keep everything the way we want to. Everything has a shelf life. Mourning the past is important, but cherishing what we have now is crucial. Honestly I'm happy with the artificial reef plan, it's at least some form of preservation - and closure - and they'll build a museum about the ship on the shore. The ship is beyond saving these days, that's just an unfortunate fact. Nobody is going to cough up the 300 million dollars needed to restore the ship and have her up and running again in some form.
Given what other museum ships have paid or will pay for basic hull and superstructure work lately, $300 million is a lowballed estimate. Probably north of $600 million just to get a workable, modern, up to code interior to fill to their heart's content. That powerplant will never be used again.
That boat has been here long enough, if they wanted to restore it, they would have done it already. Plus it is so much more costly to restore a gutted, rusting, huge ship
I want the Big U saved, but the fact is that no one has the money. You’re never going to get the average Joe nowadays to care about the history of something like SS US, let alone some crane. The unfortunate fact is people see these things as eyesores, nothing more.
So... this ship was last sailed under its own power in what seems to be 1984. It's 2024. Maybe it's time to let it go, no? 5:20... oh, you're one of those people who lack object permanence? You can't see the physical object with your own eyes so it doesn't exist and never existed?
He didn't say that it didn't exist? He said that Okaloosa County seemed to want people to forget it existed. Also, go to your closest railroad museum. Bet ya that half the steam locomotives haven't moved under their own power since the 50's or 60's. Preservation is preservation, it doesn't matter how old something is, as long as someone is trying to save it for future generations.
I wish that the Ocean Liner named RMS Olympic which which was the identical sister ship to the Titanic was preserved. But she was taken out of service in 1935 and scrapped in the late 1930s
Bro you sound like you live with your mom. Can mother afford to save the “USS United States” just imagine the millions it would cost just to move or store this junk !
You got a good point the SS United States literally was the fastest ocean line to ever exist. The fact that they’re just going to sink the ship is just like that is crazy.
A sign of the times.... The whole U. S. is now in the grip of malevolent insanity...just look on what is happening....immigrants, homelessness, drugs...
A sign of the times.... The whole U. S. is now in the grip of malevolent insanity...just look on what is happening....cr ime, ho mles ness, d rugs...
A sign of the times.... The whole U. S. is now in the grip of malevolent insanity...just look on what is happening....
Is there any hope for the SS United States
SS United States became a lost cause years ago.
I totally agree. The S.S. United States must be saved! What happened with Penn Warehousing is disturbing and annoying. This is a very important piece of history and should not be considered just like anything else as if it's "shelf life"! There's a reason why this ship has survived this long, and I have a feeling she still has something up her sleeves and another force is alongside her.
It’s sad that all the interior of the ship has been removed because of the asbestos but the Queen Mary still has her original interior intact!
Maybe cus one is a hotel and one is rusting
Queen Mary and SS Nomadic have been saved to full restoration.
So why not SS United States as well?!
Sadly whoever they gave the contract to for removing asbestos from her chose to go the easy route and they simply gutted her entire interior. Walls, ceilings, floors, everything. So she is an empty metal box and it would be beyond anyone but Elon Musk to afford to put an interior back in there now.
Because the ship is completely gutted and it would cost hundreds of millions to restore her. No one is willing to put up that kind of money, unfortunately.
Actually someone made a petition to save her and make her a national park
@thememegenerator7993 did you sign it?
That petition is A scam
@@americanloyalist458 yeah i had my channel terminated when i shared it to everyone on yt don't be like me or a bot will instantly ban you
The Battleship New Jersey was just polished up I think and the Fletcher class Destroyer Kidd is getting some badly needed repairs. This ship deserves restoration to at the minimum a museum. I would donate if someone took on the project.
These are extremely important points because the SS United States is the literal FLAGSHIP OF THE USA!
I would move it somewhere around Boston or so for it being a United States landmark too so having the flagship there is marvelous plus the entire area is based around the 50’s with still older buildings
Boston would be a very good city to have the SS US docked, I will recommend it to the Petition creator as we are looking for possible cities that might have the funds to purchase the ship.
Love these oceanliners
Thanks!
@@WMRRCOBoston is absolutely not a good idea. The port cannot handle a resident ship of this size, nevermind the horrible state of the roads near Charlestown/seaport (for visitors)
I’m extremely outraged at the moment.Florida has bought the Lady of America😢
Even though Milwaukee Clipper is having a similar affect but there is progress on the historical ship compared to this which makes it sad especially the S.S United States
I know people shouldn’t humanize inanimate objects too much, it’s unhealthy…but just to make a point, someone should make a sign of SS United States crying saying ‘Please don’t sink me’ she’s barely lived her life to the full potential, we held her back most of her service life so she had a running mate in SS America a much slower, smaller ship, and now we’re sinking such a historic ship who still has so much potential within and so much history that needs to be preserved
I’d say if she were alive she’d be devastated with how Okaloosa County’s decided to deal with her and be crying herself to sleep from here on out
She is screaming for rest. How would you feel rotting in the same place for the rest of your life, your innards ripped out, your skin flaying and decaying endless as an incompetent group tries to keep you on life support for no reason.
It was stated that given the fact she's gutted, it's more of a window of opportunity to do something more, the vessel if anything is more of an open canvas to do something more, you could say it's a window of opportunity to go something different, make a community centere around the vessel, restoration of the original interior doesn't have to be the final objective. The final objective is to have the vessel literally not dead.
Reefing her was never a form of preservation, the currents in the Gulf can be really aggressive and can easily rip the vessel up, take a look at the Andrea Dorea
Reefing as a whole isn't Preservation, it's still counting as scrapping, it's only Mother Nature that does the cutting up
YOURE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!There should be a law against this or at least ihibiting the proccess of such operations!Im sending this petition to all of my friends and try t convince them to join as well....thanks!
For the Hulletts it’s looking like how Big Muskie turned out. Then again, machines of that caliber, getting scrapped is a part of their lifecycle. Big Muskie’s Bucket survives, if anything a Bucket from one of the Hulletts would be at least enough in my eyes. They’re mammoth machines, maintenance would be living hell for a small society working on a machine doing pretty much nothing else but looking pretty in a field.
The only type of machines that many people are committed to preserving so far was trains. Either steam or diesel locomotives.
I understand why, but the US also went, “on let’s preserve our BB (battleship) Iowa class and the Texas”. Which is cool, but Congress did preserve the Iowa class BBs. But not the SS United States and I don’t think they care. They just want to spend our money on weapons for Ukraine. (I am sorry I am going to mambo on about the government). It is like why do we have to be the world’s police force? But we can’t preserve our trade, like steam trains are private owned, the queen marry is private owned. But when there is history that needs to be saved our government can’t do jack shit. I live in the country side and the house is like from the 1990’s but my room feels like it is from the 1800s. Sorry just had to get that out.
Airplanes are way more common, it’s just that ships are so expensive and have such high maintenance costs
@@thecaledoniansleeper2648 This isn’t true. Have you heard of the Milwaukee Clipper?
@@mikemancini313 That’s not a train. That’s a ship.
@@thecaledoniansleeper2648 I’m saying there are many people committed to saving ships.
Man this makes me mad this was the FASTEST ocean liner and they don't care
What has the conservancy done all these years, except creating a job for themselves ?
Iam sure some are on the payroll. Even though some board members deny it.
I actually signed the petition but can’t the public just get on the ship and turn her engines on and sail her to Washington DC?
Its engines would never run and its propellers were removed years ago. They are on the deck.
Okay so they also take a tugboat with them to take her to dc
The conservancy has only owned the ship since February 2011 not the last 30 years.
Okaloosa county needs to rethink this crime against historyi! The United States is a historical ship that needs to be saved!! It’s a one of a kind national treasure
I agree with about everything everybody here is saying. To sink her would be a national tragedy. I'll sign a petition to save the United States. I have tried to contact the president of the foundation she belongs to, with no success. Something is going to have to happen and soon. Shes too valuable to lose that way.
I hate to say it, but at this point. Okaloosa county proposal is probably going to be the best option for the SS United States in terms of future preservation.
This is a video I've wanted to do for the past few years, its great to see other people who feel the same way, every other year has seen multiple huge losses and it just keeps stacking.
You know as someone in import export if I had a large enough to operate my own shipping I always felt like she would be an okay lolo conversion especially with her high speed. She would also make a fantastic hospital or troop ship like she was originally designed for. Interiors already gutted giving a great slate for conversion. I don't know if I would consider that preservation but it would be a better fate at the very least
Engineering spaces and the ship's design don't meet modern safety standards, unfortunately.
@@johnemmert9012 interesting but MS Stockholm does?
Damn. Wish I'd never clicked on this video. Now im just depressed.
This is why I’m glad it’s not the same with classic cars, as a classic owner myself it’s an absolute waste when something like that gets scrapped
The cruise ship has been rotting away for decades.
No one cared for it and in a few years would start falling apart if allowed to stay.
It is a shame but it’s also not possible to preserve everything. It’s too expensive. It was only an Ocean Liner for 10 years before it became a cruise ship.
I mean I'm pretty sure Corris Railway No. 10 was finished this year. I know for a fact Talyllyn was put back into steam this year.
This is world history. IDC about prices, the government can at least pay for the rent. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the Queen Mary ships are the only ocean liners left, besides this ship and the fact how they're just getting rid of it, the fastest of ocean liners, which by the way were the primary way of sea transportation for over a century.
Shes definetly seen better days
One of the most beautiful ships ever aside from the S.S. Normandie
I actually got to go see those last 2 huletts just 2 months before the announcement that they planned to scrap them. I'm glad I got to see them, especially since I live in canada, so getting all the way to ohio was a challenge. Upset that I'll probably never see the s.s United states now though. Because screw preservation, we need money!
I'm currently trying to plan a trip to Philadelphia, if I can get there I will definitely make a video about it
@@WMRRCODon’t worry. Michigan Central Station is an amazing example of preservation. Imagine what could happen if Buffalo Central Terminal is saving in Buffalo, New York.
Explain to me the alternatives to this
As a big fan of ships and specifically Great Lakes freighters, it does hurt to see what happened to the huletts. I do feel for the SS United States. To me it would be like if they decided to scrap the Edward L Ryerson. Tragic.
SS US Its a shame. unfortunately, it was so lost. It should be saved. Plus rather silly the Queen Mary is saved but not the SS US.
why does he sound like Carl from P&F 😭
You think? We’re absolutely flopping
As much as I would've loved and would love to see the huletts and the SS United States saved there needs to be things thought about such as "Where are we going to place these" for example the SS United states is 990FT in length where would they dock her to save her, I'm sorry it would be awesome to see her or the huletts be saved but there's no spot they could or could've been placed at. Before anything is said about the RMS Queen Mary they had to make a dock for her just so she could be saved.
I think if the founding fathers were here today they would say to sink the queen Mary and restore the United States! Just sayin.....
I wish I had the money most of my money gose to bills
Ships are not even remotely on the same level as rail preservation and cannot be thought of as such. It is not possible to crowdsource hundreds of millions dollars to completely re-fit a 50000 ton ship. To put in a few other terms, reconstructing the White House in 1948 cost over $50 million today, and this is about a dozen times larger, so over $600,000,000. For that kind of money, one could build dozens of new steam locomotives (that's 60 T1 trusts, and you can see how hard even one of those is). You would basically be better off building an entirely new ship in the 10000 ton range, a reproduction of Carpathia, for example. You have to come to reality eventually with things like this.
Also--this is a pitfall of a lot of rail "museums"--a junk pile is NOT preservation. (If your museum has a bunch of rusty rolling stock sitting in the weeds, they are not preserved!!) The options are it either continues in its unpreserved state doing nothing but deteriorating and being a never-ending money pit in docking fees, or it moves to a different state of non-preservation and does not cost any more money. 0 - 0 = 0; there is no net loss from its removal.
Hey. If Michigan Central Station could be saved from destruction, so can the SS United States. Look at all the times Detroit wanted to demolish that building. Look at how Buffalo Central Terminal is still standing. SS United States could definitely be saved.
@@mikemancini313 It must be first understood that Michigan Central was not "saved." It was not philanthropy, it was not for history. It's a corporate development--the building does not have a special place in the heart of a company motivated only by profit.
Michigan Central is a steel framed building right outside a major urban center suited for redevelopment into class A office space. It is not a ship with no place to go, and with engineering and design requirements that simply don't exist in architecture.
It makes no sense for a developer to purchase 50k tons of ship, have a shipbuilder (!!) rebuild its interior, _move_ it multiple times, purchase an entire pier, and build the ground based infrastructure required to support it, when they could simply buy an existing tower or build one for a fraction of the cost.
Could've would've should've. Everything's all possible in a fanfic, but I'm explaining why it's not happening in the reality we live in, and no amount of wishful thinking from children on the internet is going to change the facts of the situation.
@@ironmatic1 That’s your controversial opinion. If they didn’t care about the history in Michigan Central Station, then why did they preserve some of the graffiti from the train station to represent the decades it sat abandoned, why was the surrounding park saved, why wasn’t the building demolished 10 to 20 years before dude? Not sure what your point is. That saving a sixteen story abandoned building isn’t incredible? You clearly don’t know who the Ford family is and their commitment to Detroit. As bad as Detroit is, preserving the station was preserving history. Why else did they try so meticulously to get the building looking like it did in 1914? The nearby Southwest Detroit Hospital is going to be demolished for corporate development. Michigan Central Station is a huge landmark in Detroit. Have you even seen the station.
@@mikemancini313 It's a development. It's not a museum. That's not an opinion.
@@ironmatic1 All museums are developments in one way or another. Titanic museum in Belfast is a good example of a development on top of a former shipyard. Is it not?
There's never enough money to go around for historical preservation. The United States' overseeing organization has repeatedly failed to get traction. The historic fabric of the interior is gone, having been abated and scrapped over twenty years ago overseas. The hull is all that's left. If an American ocean liner should have been saved, it should have been SS America, which was wrecked decades ago. The United States, aside from speed, was completely overshadowed historically by European liners in terms of features, interior design, and passengers carried. Queen Mary is a far better representation of the golden age of ocean liners. People have had forty years to preserve the United States, and its gone nowhere. Nobody cares about a ship from the tail end of the ocean liner era when the jet airliner was already entering service and the vessel only made a profit because it was subsidized. If I could go back and save historic ships from American history, the United States would not even be on my list. Enterprise, SS America, USS Hartford, and others would be well ahead on my list. If it had commercial value for the cost to preserve, someone would have footed the money, and every backer has realized there is too much ship to preserve, with not enough draw to make it worthwhile.
If a miracle happens and one day she comes a museum, it just looks like that’s not going to happen. As much as we love to save her, it’s just time to say goodbye. This is bullsh!t.
To be fair SS US has been in constant disrepair. Shoulda made this video when USS The Sullivan sank. Cant save everything.
No money is the problem & honestly . Not enough ppl care . If you want to preserve it go find some munnies
As someone who has a small -- a very small -- part in raising money for one of the Great Lakes museum ships, I have one question for the "they oughta make her a museum" types: Where's your checkbook?
I think the reason why not a lot of people care about history is because. How would that make thing adding or removing from your life. I think the average Joe has lost interest in history. Like I do civil war reenactment and I remember when like thousands and thousands of spectators and reactors would show up. But now it is just a few, some of the reason why is because the older generations don’t know how to talk to the younger generations.
I do Civil War reenactment and they are fun, but you don’t get the same vibes as the 150 anniversary reenactments. Like I remember when I was in the last battle of the 150. (I don’t remember the battle name). But it was so much cooler than the 160 we have today. Yeah sure there was about 900-ish soldiers for the whole battle for the 160. But I am going to drive home the point. The news doesn’t really care about this stuff a lot (maybe local). But not big news, like the deaths of the hurricane that went into Florida and to Kentucky. I think, anyway the news doesn’t really care about that stuff and. The economy is not great right now, so like it is a double hit to these historical times. We the people don’t have enough money to spend on that. Maybe if the economy was better then people would care.
ACW reenacting is down because we havent had a bunch of hit themed movies about it like we had in the 90's glorifying it. you go back to the late 80's early 90's and its a bunch of young guys exited about it because of growing up watching westerns and civil war movies, and then you look in the 2000's and its the same guys but 10 years older, and the 2010's its again the same guys but another 10 years older, and the 20's its the same guys but etc etc. the 150 was the big retirement sendoff for all the guys who jumped in after the gettysburg and gods and generals craze. ww2 era is having the same issue right now with the private ryan guys retiring. make another hit like gods and generals and youll get more reenactors.
@@naganomancer I know where you care coming from and I understand your point. I think that the big movie directors either A, they don’t really care or B, they do care but money and men power is what they need. Could it be men power, maybe, I don’t know the film industry a lot
How about take some of oh idk ukraine money or military budget to keep her a float
The Ukraine money that doesn’t actually exist because we can’t keep congress open?
We have enough to do both, and Ukraine is being invaded by a tribe of barbarians who want to reassemble the Soviet Union with other people's land. Also, this ship has sat for years. The landlord and the conservancy can share the blame.
To play devil's advocate: What are we supposed to do with the SSUS? She's gutted on the inside, and the restoration cost would be ridiculously high. While it pains me to see her go, it's probably the best option for the poor girl. I will still sign the petition, but I've excepted that it might be a long shot.
My brother in Christ, she is literally a shell of her former self. SSUS has been rotting for decades and the conservatory has done such a piss poor job and at this point there is nothing they can do. She is better off being made into an artificial reef. Atleast then she will be better preserved than anything the conservancy could do. She would still benefit the environment, and people could still visit her. If she remains in the conservancy hands she will just continue to decay and decay and eventually she will be scrapped. She deserves to finally rest, not be a husk.
I think i know why pen wearhouseing ""want"" to evict the ss United States
Not a fan of this video. I understand why he's upset, but that's no reason to claim the landlord wants to destroy history. That's misinformation, and it's a dick move. The S.S. United States is pretty well screwed. It's almost as big as a warship, and it's been gutted and sitting for decades. Ships are difficult enough to keep in good nick when they're running, never mind one sitting in the water with no repairs. If someone can save it, I'd cheer, but the sinking permits have been purchased. Also, artificial reefs support way more than lionfish.
This shows that just because an object (vehicle or tool) is from a certain time period doesn't mean that it will automatically be preserved, no matter what.
If there's any type of vehicle that I would like to see be preserved automatically, it would be a steam locomotive. In fact, I would actually like to see a law be passed in the future that makes it completely illegal to scrap any and all steam locomotives built before the year 2000.
There is no saving the SS United States. She had one chance at salvation, being purchased by NCL in 1979. That salvation went to SS France. Unfortunately, we can't keep everything the way we want to. Everything has a shelf life. Mourning the past is important, but cherishing what we have now is crucial. Honestly I'm happy with the artificial reef plan, it's at least some form of preservation - and closure - and they'll build a museum about the ship on the shore. The ship is beyond saving these days, that's just an unfortunate fact. Nobody is going to cough up the 300 million dollars needed to restore the ship and have her up and running again in some form.
Given what other museum ships have paid or will pay for basic hull and superstructure work lately, $300 million is a lowballed estimate. Probably north of $600 million just to get a workable, modern, up to code interior to fill to their heart's content. That powerplant will never be used again.
Lost of wrong wrong info this is why u don’t report news u should be reporting from the contacts and signed paperwork and board votes
That boat has been here long enough, if they wanted to restore it, they would have done it already. Plus it is so much more costly to restore a gutted, rusting, huge ship
Quit crying over the past, old machines are killing our planet
Just learn how to recycle . Bc keeping everything intact isnt really sustainable
I want the Big U saved, but the fact is that no one has the money. You’re never going to get the average Joe nowadays to care about the history of something like SS US, let alone some crane. The unfortunate fact is people see these things as eyesores, nothing more.
I agree that the United States should be preserved. The problem; HUGE $$$$$$$$$$x10 to the 1000. It’s just sad.
So... this ship was last sailed under its own power in what seems to be 1984.
It's 2024. Maybe it's time to let it go, no?
5:20... oh, you're one of those people who lack object permanence? You can't see the physical object with your own eyes so it doesn't exist and never existed?
Try 1969. Good grief so many people post wrong information.
So you want a Hitler?
He didn't say that it didn't exist? He said that Okaloosa County seemed to want people to forget it existed. Also, go to your closest railroad museum. Bet ya that half the steam locomotives haven't moved under their own power since the 50's or 60's. Preservation is preservation, it doesn't matter how old something is, as long as someone is trying to save it for future generations.
Oh hush it, do you know how little ocean liners still exist? We should save as many as we can. Your excessive rudeness is not appreciated here
I wish that the Ocean Liner named RMS Olympic which which was the identical sister ship to the Titanic was preserved. But she was taken out of service in 1935 and scrapped in the late 1930s
Bro you sound like you live with your mom. Can mother afford to save the “USS United States” just imagine the millions it would cost just to move or store this junk !