@@WarriorZionel1in alien xs first appearance, nothing hurts him while he's standing still and they have to carry him around. In omniverse the annihilarg destroys the universe around alien x but he isn't affected
i think brolys form is a really good example of a prime saiyan of sorts, not that its the peak genetic wise but rather he is the closest thing to a true saiyan in terms of potential, he uses ikari which is the power of the great ape at all times he has no need for a tail, he is both the ape and the saiyan combined in a power fusion of pure saiyan power its the pinnacle a base saiyan can be, ben would likely be like this as hed most likely have ikari traits as its pure saiyan potential however hed also probably be waay stronger tapping into if not enhancing ikari more and in a better way as well as being an elite bloodline he might even resemble a ssj4 if were talking about a saiyan at its best
@@chrisprivette7260 to me the peak example of a saiyan is Gohan, i don't think many people has mentioned this but Gohan potential is very high, he wen't from getting beat by frieza in his base form to strong enough to go toe to toe with Kefla ssj IN A DAY, like that is insane. He is the perfect example of a peak saiyan.
@@VietNguyen-mf4wh that's because super make no sense most of the time Super Goku literally almost died by a Laser Gun that shouldn't even being able to Penetrate his Skin Broly is the peak of there Species he's using Saiyan Powers
@ClashMasterStudios idk, Broly is more kinda like a mutation that grant him the peak power of his species like Kolar or Maltruant rather than being born in a perfect condition with a perfect gene without any error.
@@VietNguyen-mf4wh i would agree but what makes gohan so strong partially is being a hybrid with his potential unlocked through special means, broly is purely a saiyan and the only power he has is that of the best saiyan
At any point i can see Ben winning a fight against goku, as long as they don't use his classic version cause that would just be straight up unfair cause most people who dont know Ben 10 tend to think that version of Ben has his UAF or OV playlist for some odd reason
because he does, the omnitrix failsafes still exist, it's still the omnitrix he can't willingly transform into whatever aliens beat goku yes, but if he's going to die if he doesn't, the omnitrix will transform him into the alien that best fits the situation, and if it's someone like alien x, it'll be alien x
@malevolentsponge yeah, but in terms of his classic version, he probably can't access the UAF aliens because they may be exclusive to the recalibrated Omnitrix and versions after, that's what I'm trying to say cause it being a prototype means that it won't have the full functionality of the complete version because it's tech is not fully perfected
I think it would result in Goku gaining a goal to beat Alien X in a fight after realizing how much more powerful he is compared to himself at his absolute peak.
Every db character is bound by time . When future trunks time travels and creates a new timeline that can create a new zeno , whis , beerus . All of them are bound by the timeline . Alien x negs them with hax .
@@gammaf1365 they make decisions in time if we say forg of creation doesn't have time being "born" there wouldn't make any sense + agregor was going to absorb baby alien x so they can be defeated and them growing up would require them to actualize into something us which yet again shows time boundnes they aren't even omnipotent as most Ben 10 fans suggest since they have a whole species
@@Paul-yr9vk biggest alien x feat is universal level I haven't seen him do more than that and laws of db universe are different from Ben's universe so alien x being able to do anything would be a hard statement to make since with enough ki db characters can resist shenron's wishes
thanks for making this video and I see you do it to try and be respectful and be accurate without trying to be unfair with the two characters, so thanks for doing it ok, don't see it as a critic, just a comliment because I agree with you in your point of view and debate for now ok, have a nice day and merry christmas and take care
Hmmm, i really want to see if chromastone can do anything to effect the ki in goku, He can absorb mana like what gwen shot at himm in the dagon ark, and mana is more connected to life than ki
Do you think if Ben used Ghostfreak he’d be able to posses Goku? I haven’t seen any Dragon Ball but part of me think he would be able to and another part of me is thinking Goku would be able to resist the possession somehow.
@@isaacbell5156 Dragon Ball Character are still bound by Time and hit doesn't Control Time Clockwork is Leagues above Hit we literally see Whis Reverse Time, Trunks creates Different Timeline by Time Travelling creating a 2nd Zeno so Yeah Clockwork wins
@ClashMasterStudios Dragon ball characters are not bounded by time and hell Jiren's power stated to trescends time. Zeno literally destroyed future trunks timeline casually but he still existed when there is no time in it.
@@isaacbell5156 you do realize that as long as your stronger than a Character in DB you can Overpower their Hax because of Ki you sound like 1 of those people who think Super Goku is Outerversal
@ClashMasterStudios Debunking your arguements counts me as goku wanker alright gotcha. Do you also know that ki in dragon ball overcomes your physical 3rd dimension body limits. like for instance Super buu and gotenks with thier scream makes a hole to space-time. Buuhan is going to destroy the living universe which is stated to be infinte and the fabric of spacetime with his tantrums. Goku destroy hit's pocket dimensions and etc. this is a 4D feat lowball.
Goku has better feats. Alien X has some decent writer statements, but they seem to be contradictory a lot of the time, and "death of the author" could apply.
There are some aliens that beat goku I think feedback or chromostone would hard diff Goku feedback more so. Ghost freak could mabye possess him. Obviously alien X. Goop.
@ feed back is a super solder like captain America and chromostone can fly and is more durable but the power that they have in common is that they can absorb and redirect energy with no limit to how much they can absorb. Like the androids but they can double it and shoot it back out. Feed back is better at it tho
@@DEMOMLORD7 yeah that’s what I was thinking too, plus if vilgax can shatter chromastone I’d say goku can do the too, but realistically goku probably wouldn’t go that far
that is true.. Goku can literally turn ultra instinct mastered which is beyond God level meaning Ben 10 turning into Alien X would be a joke to Goku.. Since Alien X is God level and Goku power level is beyond God level. Unless Ben 10 has the ultimatrix and turn Alien X into ultimate alien X, this battle would've been a crazy one in the entire universe
if a fight to the death ben would win neither would ever back down and alien x could fight foorever while goku would die of old age(rember alien x can survive in vaccuum goku cant) so death battle is bens win. but taking their charcters into account goku would win. reason being is that goku would talk ben down goku would like with his old enimies win bens respect and frendship in that fight (you know pure heart frendship stuff) ben would be receptive to that. at the end goku would be like "phew that worked up an appetite lets go eat" and ben would. Since goku turned ben into an ally it would be gokus victory
I actually have a question about Ben’s becoming the prime version of a species. Does it mean, prime in terms of strength, speed, natural selection(sexual selection) or cultural beliefs?
i imagine zeno and alien x are on par its just zeno doesnt need to think as hard or side with the 2 other personalities, zeno has way more experience and time spent as a god even if its close as the beings they are i think hes still a bit ahead just from the mental side of things (no reason ben cant scan him though lol)
don't forget, ben doesn't have to check in with the other parts anymore. they gave him full control. i do agree lack of experience would still put zeno on top
@ClashMasterStudios yeah i was more referring to earlier on, also every big thing hes one has been with bellecus and serenas help we havent seen him do anything major with just his control
@@oddfox9119 Omniverse Ben vs a CelestialSapiens he was in Control Completey & and when he was Manipulating Kevin and the other kids Body he's in Control hopefully we gain a ew Series to show what else he can do in all his Aliens
Yknow, i had just wrote a whole damn essay on why goku beats alien x. and then when i tabbed out to look up bens age, it got deleted. Its like it was telling me i was wasting my time. So anyway, Alien X is a base goku victim. Literaly has no feats above hyperversal.
I don’t I don’t disagree with the outcome of this video I do have when complaints, I do feel like ben 10, can be like a Broly typing Saiyan but maybe in his ultimate form he’ll unlock legendary super Saiyan just because in the actual show it is stated that the legendary super Saiyan is a evil Saiyan so biologically speaking… he should be able to transform into a legendary super Saiyan if he was to go in to an ultimate Saiyan.
Depends on the version of ben Classic, goku wins Classic 10k, idk we didnt see enough action from him AF, goku wins UA, goku wins UA Ult-ben, idk we didnt see enough action from him OV, ben wins OV 10k goku wins I wont bother explqining my reasoning if like no-one will see my comment only if like 1 person replies
AF Is when Alien X was intrdouce sure he doesn't have Control of the Form in Alien Force but why don't you think his other 2 personaliy wouldn't give him Control if they find goku Annoying in there Battle and Ultimate Alien Ben was going to Transform into Alien X but he was Stop because Paradox showed up to tell him something
@ClashMasterStudios the other celestial sapiens didn't care about the life of an infant in danger with all its powers being exploited long before paradox Why should goku match that?
I already knkw ov, AND ONLY ov ben wins this fight We dont see enough of his future forms fight to know their weakneses and the biomnitrix was commissioned by a solar flare, and goku can more than mimic that
Atomix and NRG and Heatblast and Way Big and Clockwork and Feedback and Gravattack and Many more That Can Beat Goku There's no reason For Alien X To Show up it's Jast a Thing To make Goku Look Strong
Before you make a video like this, actually research FEATS & SCALING instead of abilities. Abilities can only take you so far but it's useless if you don't know where it scales. Yes Alien X does beat Goku but do you know the reason (feat & scaling ) why.
@@senzanome9824 Bro most things are subjective, but if you're smart enough your argument could be more objectively right. Power scaling is basically finding who is stronger. SO if you fine that stupid, than you're probably doing it unawarely. Like I said, all he mention was Alien X beats Goku without giving reasoning. And just names Alien X abilities (haxs) without saying were scales. Haxs are good, but Goku can resist a lot of Alien X hax, so we have to find what lvl of hax Goku can't resist and see if Alien x hax scale to that
Alien x is practically the same level as Zeno from dragon ball and goku can't beat Zeno. Unfortunately I don't think goku has anything against reality manipulating characters
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"X just kills the entire Universe and reforms it without Goku in it."
"Ok but what if he gets punched like really really hard?"
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Then alien x can just punch harder
i thought u cant even punch alien x cause i thought u go through him or something
@@WarriorZionel1in alien xs first appearance, nothing hurts him while he's standing still and they have to carry him around. In omniverse the annihilarg destroys the universe around alien x but he isn't affected
Ben 10 > Goku
Omnitrix > Fiction
Fax
Yeah Alien X still wins over goku but Goku can still beat Ben if Alien X isnt involved
@@Mythicalstories7080 clockwork freezes time and unfreezes his lungs then he dies 🥱
clockwork has been damaged by less if goku speed blitzes him its over@@Monkey55801
Dude you just made this video at this exact moment when I was animating a Ben 10 VS Goku video 😭
Wait u were well hope u do good
Goku or Ben 10 wins.
I am not here to make a comment argument rn
Goku in his base form slams the verse unironically
Goku in his mastered ultra instinct form gets slammed like a fodder against the ben 10 verse honestly😂😂😂
hey I am done to see that
kudos nobody really takes they personalities into account so thanks
Cause Ben has full control so the personalities are irrelevant
i think brolys form is a really good example of a prime saiyan of sorts, not that its the peak genetic wise but rather he is the closest thing to a true saiyan in terms of potential, he uses ikari which is the power of the great ape at all times he has no need for a tail, he is both the ape and the saiyan combined in a power fusion of pure saiyan power its the pinnacle a base saiyan can be, ben would likely be like this as hed most likely have ikari traits as its pure saiyan potential however hed also probably be waay stronger tapping into if not enhancing ikari more and in a better way as well as being an elite bloodline he might even resemble a ssj4 if were talking about a saiyan at its best
id say brolys more of a mutation ss4 is the peak of a sayin to me if they just use hard work.
@@chrisprivette7260 to me the peak example of a saiyan is Gohan, i don't think many people has mentioned this but Gohan potential is very high, he wen't from getting beat by frieza in his base form to strong enough to go toe to toe with Kefla ssj IN A DAY, like that is insane. He is the perfect example of a peak saiyan.
@@VietNguyen-mf4wh that's because super make no sense most of the time Super Goku literally almost died by a Laser Gun that shouldn't even being able to Penetrate his Skin Broly is the peak of there Species he's using Saiyan Powers
@ClashMasterStudios idk, Broly is more kinda like a mutation that grant him the peak power of his species like Kolar or Maltruant rather than being born in a perfect condition with a perfect gene without any error.
@@VietNguyen-mf4wh i would agree but what makes gohan so strong partially is being a hybrid with his potential unlocked through special means, broly is purely a saiyan and the only power he has is that of the best saiyan
At any point i can see Ben winning a fight against goku, as long as they don't use his classic version cause that would just be straight up unfair cause most people who dont know Ben 10 tend to think that version of Ben has his UAF or OV playlist for some odd reason
because he does, the omnitrix failsafes still exist, it's still the omnitrix
he can't willingly transform into whatever aliens beat goku yes, but if he's going to die if he doesn't, the omnitrix will transform him into the alien that best fits the situation, and if it's someone like alien x, it'll be alien x
@malevolentsponge yeah, but in terms of his classic version, he probably can't access the UAF aliens because they may be exclusive to the recalibrated Omnitrix and versions after, that's what I'm trying to say cause it being a prototype means that it won't have the full functionality of the complete version because it's tech is not fully perfected
I think it would result in Goku gaining a goal to beat Alien X in a fight after realizing how much more powerful he is compared to himself at his absolute peak.
Every db character is bound by time . When future trunks time travels and creates a new timeline that can create a new zeno , whis , beerus . All of them are bound by the timeline . Alien x negs them with hax .
Alien x are born too so they have a beginning hence they would be bound by time too
@@ShahNawaz-uj9gy That would make sense if not for the fact that we literally see them being born in a place with no time
True, but the forge of creation exist outside the universe. So basically they can do whatever they want to do.
@@gammaf1365 they make decisions in time if we say forg of creation doesn't have time being "born" there wouldn't make any sense + agregor was going to absorb baby alien x so they can be defeated and them growing up would require them to actualize into something us which yet again shows time boundnes they aren't even omnipotent as most Ben 10 fans suggest since they have a whole species
@@Paul-yr9vk biggest alien x feat is universal level I haven't seen him do more than that and laws of db universe are different from Ben's universe so alien x being able to do anything would be a hard statement to make since with enough ki db characters can resist shenron's wishes
thanks for making this video and I see you do it to try and be respectful and be accurate without trying to be unfair with the two characters, so thanks for doing it ok, don't see it as a critic, just a comliment because I agree with you in your point of view and debate for now ok, have a nice day and merry christmas and take care
my drunk father with prep time always beats me
Hmmm, i really want to see if chromastone can do anything to effect the ki in goku,
He can absorb mana like what gwen shot at himm in the dagon ark, and mana is more connected to life than ki
Alien x is basically the x
Zeno of the ben 10 universe lol 😂😂
Do you think if Ben used Ghostfreak he’d be able to posses Goku? I haven’t seen any Dragon Ball but part of me think he would be able to and another part of me is thinking Goku would be able to resist the possession somehow.
Goku would be able to resist but on eventually he might worn out goku
Make a video on "Green Lantern vs Ben 10 Death Battle"
no need Alien X to beat Goku, i think just clockwwork is enough with his time power
Goku resisted time abilities before but whatever.
@@isaacbell5156 Dragon Ball Character are still bound by Time and hit doesn't Control Time Clockwork is Leagues above Hit we literally see Whis Reverse Time, Trunks creates Different Timeline by Time Travelling creating a 2nd Zeno so Yeah Clockwork wins
@ClashMasterStudios Dragon ball characters are not bounded by time and hell Jiren's power stated to trescends time. Zeno literally destroyed future trunks timeline casually but he still existed when there is no time in it.
@@isaacbell5156 you do realize that as long as your stronger than a Character in DB you can Overpower their Hax because of Ki you sound like 1 of those people who think Super Goku is Outerversal
@ClashMasterStudios Debunking your arguements counts me as goku wanker alright gotcha. Do you also know that ki in dragon ball overcomes your physical 3rd dimension body limits. like for instance Super buu and gotenks with thier scream makes a hole to space-time. Buuhan is going to destroy the living universe which is stated to be infinte and the fabric of spacetime with his tantrums. Goku destroy hit's pocket dimensions and etc. this is a 4D feat lowball.
Goku has better feats. Alien X has some decent writer statements, but they seem to be contradictory a lot of the time, and "death of the author" could apply.
There are some aliens that beat goku I think feedback or chromostone would hard diff Goku feedback more so. Ghost freak could mabye possess him. Obviously alien X. Goop.
Why chromastone and feedback?
@@soothinggazebecause they can absorb kamehamea ki blast and more but his punches not thats too much strong for them
@ feed back is a super solder like captain America and chromostone can fly and is more durable but the power that they have in common is that they can absorb and redirect energy with no limit to how much they can absorb. Like the androids but they can double it and shoot it back out. Feed back is better at it tho
@@DEMOMLORD7 yeah that’s what I was thinking too, plus if vilgax can shatter chromastone I’d say goku can do the too, but realistically goku probably wouldn’t go that far
@@soothinggazeChromastone has a feat from ledgerdomain if I’m correct. And feedback absorbed a 5d bomb
that is true.. Goku can literally turn ultra instinct mastered which is beyond God level meaning Ben 10 turning into Alien X would be a joke to Goku.. Since Alien X is God level and Goku power level is beyond God level. Unless Ben 10 has the ultimatrix and turn Alien X into ultimate alien X, this battle would've been a crazy one in the entire universe
With “I like all 4 Ben series”
Do u mean including the reboot? Or up tail Omni verse
he's not including the reboot (i assume) since that would be 5 series (Classic, AF, UA, OV and reboot)
what about god fusion goku from the 4d movie or jump force goku
Any non cannon versions don’t count
You should make a vídeo about Why does Ben uses Brawn over brainw
Can someone please explain to me why everytime theres someone powerful we always pin them against goku
if a fight to the death ben would win neither would ever back down and alien x could fight foorever while goku would die of old age(rember alien x can survive in vaccuum goku cant) so death battle is bens win. but taking their charcters into account goku would win. reason being is that goku would talk ben down goku would like with his old enimies win bens respect and frendship in that fight (you know pure heart frendship stuff) ben would be receptive to that. at the end goku would be like "phew that worked up an appetite lets go eat" and ben would. Since goku turned ben into an ally it would be gokus victory
but what about a sparring match until one of the two gets knocked out?
Thats still not a goku victory thets called a draw
Yooo
I actually have a question about Ben’s becoming the prime version of a species. Does it mean, prime in terms of strength, speed, natural selection(sexual selection) or cultural beliefs?
The strongest four arm alien got beaten by Ben's Four Arms. So yeah. He literally becomes the strongest version of that alien.
How is goku going to beat clockwork
id say ss4 is the best ben could get with trining god requried a ritual the rest are just if a sayin has the abilty to then train to it.
i imagine zeno and alien x are on par its just zeno doesnt need to think as hard or side with the 2 other personalities, zeno has way more experience and time spent as a god even if its close as the beings they are i think hes still a bit ahead just from the mental side of things (no reason ben cant scan him though lol)
don't forget, ben doesn't have to check in with the other parts anymore. they gave him full control. i do agree lack of experience would still put zeno on top
@oddfox9119 You do Understand the meaning of Full Control of Alien X Right
@ClashMasterStudios yeah i was more referring to earlier on, also every big thing hes one has been with bellecus and serenas help we havent seen him do anything major with just his control
@@oddfox9119 Omniverse Ben vs a CelestialSapiens he was in Control Completey & and when he was Manipulating Kevin and the other kids Body he's in Control hopefully we gain a ew Series to show what else he can do in all his Aliens
not really. Zenoh can only erase things. He cant create, he cant ajust his eyes to see fast opponents, he is not phychically strong etc etc.
Yknow, i had just wrote a whole damn essay on why goku beats alien x. and then when i tabbed out to look up bens age, it got deleted. Its like it was telling me i was wasting my time. So anyway, Alien X is a base goku victim. Literaly has no feats above hyperversal.
And goku has no feats above complex multiversal, not even mui goku, so yeah, mui goku gets slammed hard😂😂😂
Bait used to be believable
Prove Goku above hyperversal then
@@DillonMaynard Do you know where Alien scales
I don’t I don’t disagree with the outcome of this video I do have when complaints, I do feel like ben 10, can be like a Broly typing Saiyan but maybe in his ultimate form he’ll unlock legendary super Saiyan just because in the actual show it is stated that the legendary super Saiyan is a evil Saiyan so biologically speaking… he should be able to transform into a legendary super Saiyan if he was to go in to an ultimate Saiyan.
Ben 10 would crush Goku he has aliens who can control time and bend reality to their will
could Grand Zeno beat Ben10?
goku's a the worst victim
Alien X > Contumelia 5d < Goku 4d
Yeah only x would be able to best goku
Depends on the version of ben
Classic, goku wins
Classic 10k, idk we didnt see enough action from him
AF, goku wins
UA, goku wins
UA Ult-ben, idk we didnt see enough action from him
OV, ben wins
OV 10k goku wins
I wont bother explqining my reasoning if like no-one will see my comment only if like 1 person replies
AF Is when Alien X was intrdouce sure he doesn't have Control of the Form in Alien Force but why don't you think his other 2 personaliy wouldn't give him Control if they find goku Annoying in there Battle and Ultimate Alien Ben was going to Transform into Alien X but he was Stop because Paradox showed up to tell him something
@ClashMasterStudios the other celestial sapiens didn't care about the life of an infant in danger with all its powers being exploited long before paradox
Why should goku match that?
Ben beats goku even without Allien x
I already knkw ov, AND ONLY ov ben wins this fight
We dont see enough of his future forms fight to know their weakneses and the biomnitrix was commissioned by a solar flare, and goku can more than mimic that
wasn't the Biomnitrix made by ben for fun tho?
@@novi6521 yeah it was
but Goku should also know these weaknesses to use it
@@novi6521 no
@ClashMasterStudios that wasn't canonized
WHY DiD BRO USE THE CORNY OMNIVERSE ALIEN X DESIGN?
It’s the best design tho
@Mario-s5z3o lol
Atomix and NRG and Heatblast and Way Big and Clockwork and Feedback and Gravattack and Many more That Can Beat Goku There's no reason For Alien X To Show up it's Jast a Thing To make Goku Look Strong
Bro of course he's not , ben 10 can just copy Goku DNA and become a Super Saiyan
Not how it works
Ben would need a trigger to become a super Saiyan
He literally addressed this in the video. It would not work out well.
Before you make a video like this, actually research FEATS & SCALING instead of abilities. Abilities can only take you so far but it's useless if you don't know where it scales.
Yes Alien X does beat Goku but do you know the reason (feat & scaling ) why.
I find Powerscaling really stupid, but it's subjective, which is why it's not necessarily needed for a video like this
@@senzanome9824 Bro most things are subjective, but if you're smart enough your argument could be more objectively right. Power scaling is basically finding who is stronger. SO if you fine that stupid, than you're probably doing it unawarely.
Like I said, all he mention was Alien X beats Goku without giving reasoning. And just names Alien X abilities (haxs) without saying were scales. Haxs are good, but Goku can resist a lot of Alien X hax, so we have to find what lvl of hax Goku can't resist and see if Alien x hax scale to that
Although I don't like Goku, Ben used alien x cannot defeat Goku
What?
Alien x is practically the same level as Zeno from dragon ball and goku can't beat Zeno. Unfortunately I don't think goku has anything against reality manipulating characters
Ben>Goku
Baised goku fan alert 😂😂
Yo he said he doesn't like goku i don't think it's fair to call someone baised just their view is different @LovethedemonWolf2.0