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Plugging our cars into the mains electricity supply when we get home at night might still might seem about as natural as shovelling coal into them before setting off in the morning, but all the signs are that's going to change. Hybrid cars were a first step in the direction of increased use of electricity to drive our vehicles and fully electric models will be the next. Owning a car that will never go near a filling station forecourt except to use the jet wash or inflate its tyres might take some getting used to but Nissan has long been confident that its LEAF all-electric family hatch can make the transition a painless one. In 2013, the brand upgraded the first generation version of this design with an increased range and quicker charging time. This is the version we check out here as a potential used buy.
History
The 'LEAF' name is an acronym for 'Leading Environmentally friendly Affordable Family car' - which is exactly what this was when first we saw it launched in 2011 as the first purpose-designed pure electric vehicle on the market. Back then, the only other offering in this segment was hastily converted citycar design sold under different badges by Mitsubishi, Peugeot and Citroen. In comparison, the prospect of spending similar money on a larger, more advanced Nissan LEAF seemed like a no-brainer decision for anyone seriously considering a car of this sort.
The problem for Nissan, in the UK at least, was that in the early years of the 21st century's second decade, hardly anyone was considering buying a full-electric family vehicle. And certainly not one costing close to £30,000. A LEAF might have been better than anything else on offer in this era but it was still beset by the usual EV issues of low operating range and patchy public charging infrastructure. It was, in short, a car ahead of its time.
By 2013 though, there were signs that things might be changing and that the public might be warming to this model. By this time, the cost of electric technology had come down and the number of public charging points had dramatically increased. Plus the whole idea of owning a pure electric car had been more widely accepted. It was a change in mindset Nissan aimed to capitalise on by re-launching the LEAF with a smarter, more practical interior and a longer operating range. This model sold until an all-new second generation LEAF which a much longer operating range was introduced at the end of 2017.
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I have owned my 2015 24Kwh Leaf for 2 years and still have 12 bars at 85.24% SOH. Just 36000 miles with 1356 L2 charges and 42 L3 charges. It has shown in the summer months upto 95 miles of range without cheating and pushing the ECO button. Driven carefully it displays my 25 mile round trip can be done at 5.1miles/Kwh and in the winter 4.2miles/Kwh. Being the Acenta model I have bought on EBay a heated seat cover that plugs into the 12V socket. Wearing a thick coat and the seat cover on full usually is enough to get by. The heat pump works but I use it mainly to keep the window mist free. I would say that when buying these cars you need to do your homework first. Get the best looked after one you can find. Choose a 12 bar Acenta over a 10 bar Tekna, as range is more important in these small capacity cars than a fancy stereo and leather trim. Buy a Blue tooth OBDII port plug and download the free version of Leafspy and with these two things you can easily get all the "real" info you need about the car you are buying. State of Health and how many of each style of charge it has had in the past.
I hope this helps, as the Leaf is a great car if it suits your needs and you don't get an abused model.
I recently bought a 2013 Leaf on finance and it has done just under 92,000 miles. It's an Acenta but have had to return it to dealership as battery not holding charge. On a recent journey it was showing 89 miles after a 5 hour charge which was extra to a 95% charge at a public charging station and it went from 89 miles to 30 after travelling just 10 miles!
I just bought a 2013 Leaf SV with 41k miles, Bose, Nav, 360° cam, new Bridgestone tires, flushed brakes, new 12v battery. I paid $2,000 plus tax. No Doc fee.
I just bought a leaf sv 2015 too. With 62t miles
In Switzerland there is nothing like that unfortunately
How’re you liking it so far??
@@onye9618
It’s been great for trips to work and school. Cheap to own. We’ve put 10k miles on it in 9 months. No issues. With an 11 year old battery the range is low, but I knew it would be. It’s able to drive to most places I go daily. Plus there’s free chargers around. I’d definitely buy it again, especially for $2k. If I paid twice as much I’d still be happy. I would like to have 2 of these cars. My teens are always wanting to drive it. They don’t like buying gas. Electricity is cheap here in SW Ohio. 7 cents per kWh
@williamdryden3286are you in Britain where the Tories have trebled the price of electricity?
British electricity is now more than 2x as expensive as USA. Brit is compact, easier to serve, but they've ramped the prices to rip you all off.
Who votes Tory?
This is your fault.
You are a great presenter with clever word usage, making it more original and interesting.
i have 2011 first gen lea since Agust 2010. it is almost 14 years old. just replaced the battery two weeks ago with 62KW battery ($4,200 Cad) , now i have 350km range. Our leaf has second life now with 270,000km. Great car. no question. Quality of interior outstanding on 2011 and 2012 models. not so much with older models
where did you get the battery? everything I'm finding is $15k cad
Really the main problem is that many pedestrians are wearing ear plugs listening to their cell phones and do not hear anything whether electric or gas
Misleading title. This is not about buying a used leaf.
Thanks - saved me from wasting my time - clickbait titles suck!
I just bought a 2012 leaf at a salvage car auction. There is nothing wrong with it except the battery is degraded to a range of 55 miles. I plan on driving it 10 miles a day till the battery dies and then try and get a better battery. The biggest downside is that no one will work on it. The closest dealer will not even handle the safety recalls. So I am on my own. I don't want "car wings" either.
If GreenTec has a shop near you, they offer used batteries and installation. I think a 40kWh is about $8,000, guaranteed to be >85% SOH. A 24kWh is about $4000, >70% SOH.
But if your commute is 10 miles one way, you'll get a lot of miles out of that dude before you really need it, and GreenTec's 24kWh is about $5K.
You can do a lot of the work yourself! There's a RUclipsr named Dala who has a Nissan Leaf channel; great stuff!
I bought a 2011 off the showroom floor ($32,000) and have since put 144,000 km (about 90,000 miles) on it. It was our second car.
In that time, I have put two sets of tyres and two sets of wiper blades, and topped off the blue lubricant (I still have half the bottle.) I stopped going to get it serviced by Nissan, because (AFAICT) they only charged the battery all the way up and handed me a bill for $96.
Its cost per km is about 1/7 of our first car's (a 2002 PT Cruiser,) which got about 30 MPG in town, 41 on the highway. (My wife got a new car, so we gave Peetie to my brother...with 230,000km.)
I have changed the battery once (so far) only because Nissan was offering it for free in response to a class action (Klee v Nissan.)
Eight years later, it's not yet down to 66% SOH; even today, I can still go freeway speeds to work (70km one way) and have >30% SOC when I get there. (I would plug in to the L1 outlet in the parking garage and about a month after security took photos of my doing so, Facilities sent an email, asking me if I was willing to to test out the new L2 chargers they'd just put in PG5. W00t!)
The Leaf - especially a used one - is a BRILLIANT buy, even if the battery is crap. There is a shop called GreenTec that will slot in a used 40kWh battery (>85% SOH) for about $11, 000. Considering the original battery packs were 24kWh, this is almost double the range (which would allow me to get to work and back on a *single* charge...or alternatively, home and back, and have the company pay for *all* my power!
You will never get me to buy another ICE car, unless I'm going to convert it to electric.
Pro Tip: Buy an OBDII sensor, and an old tablet, and install LeafSpy on it. It gives you really great insight into the battery, and there's an instrument cluster mode that provides realtime info about your usage (which is great for hypermiling [getting the most mileage out of a charge.]) Doing so leaves your dashboard console free for music, map, phone control, or all the other functionality they shoehorn into one panel.
Also, if you can get one that has the CHAdeMO plug (mine did only because it was the showroom model; the 2011 didn't have it even as an option,) occasional L3 charging (twice a year or so) really does restore range! There are videos about how to retrofit the CHAdeMO plug on the ones that don't have it stock, and Dala has a video about replacing it with a CCS plug if there aren't CHAdeMO chargers nearby (most Nissan dealers have them, and they're often free to Nissan owners!)
Last tip: PlugShare is really good for finding charging stations (Volta has its own app for their free chargers, too,) but make a habit of charging where you live. (It's easier! :-)
Yes, I HAVE done longer trips in my Renault Zoe. It’s 100% reliable, very economical and very very comfortable. Between here (Broxbourne) and Brighton, there are at least two locations at which one can plug her in and charge her up!!
leaf dec 2013
AHR=49,19
SOH=75,25 396V
HX=62,52
ODO=148,868 KM
299 QCs
5610 L2 220V every day to 100% CHARGING AT HOME! 2,2KWH
i drive 60km a day... own it for 4 years now
every end of the week when the charge is full i pull the plug out and i put it in again for 2 times! rebalancing every week :)
between 15 celcius and 25 celsius its 1% a KM with 80 kmh!
Pull the plug and put it in 2 times??? Explain please!
I must say I had the leaf 2017 and changed it this year for the new 2020
What a transformation 140 miles range long journey no problem
Amazing price for a 4 year old car £8300
Great to hear
Nissan LEAF SV PLUS models are equipped with a 60 kWh lithium-ion battery that has a range of up to 212 miles.
Actually, the whole range (S, SV, SL) can have the 62kWh battery, but they call it a Leaf Plus (Or Leaf+) and you can even reftrofit the 62kWh packs on the earlier models using 40mm rails. Personally, I don't need that much range per day, and it makes the car weigh a lot more. Charge at home every night; it's easy and automatic! (Well...certainly easier if you have power where you park. For apartment-dwellers, you might have to get clever about it; YMMV.)
I have a 2016 leaf Teckna 6.6 charger in Arctic white. I have had it 7 years and 2 months from new. It has done 34k miles. It has now lost 1/3 rd of the battery capacity and range with the loss of 4 out of 12 battery bars and is a total disappointment against the time I had it in the early years when I wore rose coloured spectacles, thinking it was the best thing since sliced bread.
How can electric cars be environmentally friendly when the batteries degrade to such an extent that they become unusable and have to be scrapped much earlier than ice vehicles because the batteries are not economically viable to replace on a cost basis. I also have a 15 year old Mercedes E Class 2.2 litre cdi which still gives me 51 mpg on a run and the range it gives me is unchanged from when I bought it new at 650 miles. I will not be buying another EV after my experience of the Leaf, which is now used as a town car only, tethered within it's home charger range until the battery finally is not logistically able to cover useful distances. The bottom line is that from day one from new, with time and use cycles, all lithium batteries degrade, whilst ice vehicles do not, making EV's not fit for purpose in my opinion. The car is a nightmare to charge on a longer run, when I was able to because the chargingvinfrastructure is unreliable and vastly oversubscribed.
You can get replacement batteries for EV, yes they are not cheap to be replacing very often but I would say 6k on a new battery which makes it an almost brand new car, is much cheaper than paying 3 times that much for a brand new ICE car.
@@feline-foxYou can rebuild a ICE for about 3K-5K vs your 6K battery replacement.
As far as I know Nissan guarantee their leaf batteries for 8 years or 100,000 miles. The leaf was one of the very first cars of a new technology and they are not too brilliant at making them yet. The leaf did not have battery cooling or software management of the battery. Other brands do a much better job, in particular Tesla. Their charging network is prolific and always works and continuously expanding. Battery degradation is very low on Teslas. New chemistries like lithium iron phosphate do not degrade much at all. Technology will continue to improve for many years whereas ice is mature tech. Ice cars can have expensive engine/transmission problems and have much more expensive ongoing service requirements and of course fuel costs. Your own experience, I would suggest, is not representative of the market going forward.
My 2020 Renault Zoe has given me 230 miles to the battery. It’s very good and quite fast in getting to the optimum driving speed.
The earlier models had a nice pale coloured interior. The current models all seem to have a black interior.
Hello Sir, when the charging cable connected the charge indicator light illuminate in sequence and then stop, what we need to do to bring it in charging mode
You have to reset the programmed time for charging. It is under the energy management menu, charging timer. Hope it helps.
My Zoe has 60/40 split rear seats!! It wasn’t only the Nissan Leaf that had it, you know!!
If I was going for a Nissan Leaf rather than a Renault Megan Electric, I’d probably go for the latest version with the 280 mile range.
That may work in the EU now but here in the US with it's large rural areas and sprawling cities and suburban areas it's going to be years if politics even lets it happen.
Would I return to a petrol or diesel car? ABSOLUTELY NOT!! The electric vehicle is the only vehicle I will ever be using!!
If you live in a city and drive in a city and you have a place to charge at home probably a good vehicle.
If you do any other sort of commute, No. Simple really
Can you travel long distances
Hydrocarbon is kojak to me I don't know about PV
I have seen nuns drive a car a couple of times in Belgium. Even drunk people drive in a safer way.
Nuns like to party and have a lead foot.
Ideal for the upcoming 15 minute cities where you will be locked down for years and unable to go anywhere. Save the planet and dont use electricity.
The only problem with all Nissan Leafs is that Nissan hasn't incorporated a Battery Cooling System to enable Battery life longevity.
Watch this video: ruclips.net/video/t4oCCdL3KyU/видео.html
It’s not a problem unless you need to drive long distances quickly
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