TATA also has reputation of treating their workers very well. My grandfather worked for them. He received many benifits and after his death my grandmother still got a great pension from them.
When it comes to quality I buy either german steel or indian tata steel. Because when working as an engineer everytime I got a lab report of their steel and independently verified it was always on the money just like the german steel
@@mayanksingh0044 I now live in a village which literally has a iron and steel works best to it. But German steel and metallurgical products have always been very high quality from my experience working as a machinist through college and then when I spec'd materials once I became an engineer
That's not because of Tata, that's because Tata outright bought quality producers (and their knowledge) such as Koninklijke Nederlandse Hoogovens en Staalfabrieken NV. All Tata did was take that existing stock, then break half of the safety and all of the environmental regulations to increase the profits, and carry on as they were. I guess that MO shouldn't come as a surprise for a clan that consists of drug lords. Tata only had money because they grew the opium that destroyed China. The Opium Wars were started for and by pressure from Tata.
Exactly. Their tool steels aren't exceptional but excellent nonetheless. Powdered metallurgy is great but has fairly limited application given the cost.
The British Chief Commissioner for the Indian Railways famously said, “Do you mean to say that the Tatas propose to make steel rails to British specifications? Why, I will undertake to eat every pound of steel rail they succeed in making.” In 2023, Tata now runs the two of the last 4 operational blast furnaces in the UK. It is also the largest manufacturing employer in the UK - both directly (via Tata steel, JLR, Tetley etc.) and indirectly (Largest engine orders to Roll Royce, aircraft orders for Airbus etc.). All this to say, one shouldn't be too arrogant. Fortune changes for everyone. Btw Tata's aren't an image of perfection either, they made a lot of their initial money via the opium trade.
@@mudra5114 Somehow RUclips removes the comment with a URL in reply. Commissioner's name was Sir Frederick Upcott. It was a well documented fact, if you google it, you'll see it reported in TIME, BBC and many other similar sources.
TATA is least hated conglomerate in India. In fact I would go as far to say they are most loved and respected one. Working for TATA group has always been my dream. I worked for their engineering firm, and I must say I felt proud doing so.
Hope you enjoy being poisoned to death while they break every environmental regulation that exists. Tata are some of the worst sh*tbags in the industry. Unsurprising I guess as they were drug lords who got rich off of opium.
Fun to know this thing is known outside of India. As kid who was born and raised in Jamshedpur I feel proud at certain elements of my town but sometimes it's not the complete picture. But there are tons more things that Tata industry did for it's workers, from free healthcare to free housing and even inviting educators from around the world to build XLRI, a premier management institute, NIT (which was previously called RIT or regional institute of technology) to building IISc, Urban planning, waste management and primary and secondary education for it's employees. Even today companies cannot build the infrastructure that a single steel plant in region which had less than 25% literacy in 1907 was able to do. It is a miracle it worked out. And also a case study in how a town should be built and how important businesses, industry and social welfare, education, housing and healthcare (TMH) were intertwined in the what we can easily state is the TATA ideology
I always enjoy you interesting looks at defunct and little-known giants. (As someone in the semiconductor industry, I do enjoy your look into semiconductors the most, but these are a close-ish second!) I feel lucky that I've been so on-time to your videos lately too!
@@Nmax well, I suppose that is true. Tata Group is certainly well-known, but less so outside of India. Furthermore, I for one didn't realize they started in steel production since they have expanded well beyond that initial scope.
So im not even finished with the video and im already into a mode of congratulations for more amazing content... As always thanks for sharing your approach!
The -ji suffix is not strictly part of the name but a honorary mark of respect, something like English "sir" or "mister", hence it's not "Dorab for short" but rather just "Dorab, Dorabji for long".
I remember something about Swami Vikekananda inspiring Jamsetji tata to take up the mantle for India's development. He certainly is responsible in some way for the creation of the entire revolutionary movement itself. I also heard some rumour somewhere that Without the vast foundries of TATA , the british would not have been able to fight in WW2.
TATA steel provided 300,000 tonnes of steel for the bri’ish war efforts. Should’ve made a deal with the Germans instead, made off with huge profits instead of sacrificing massive profits from not selling it on the open market.
@@aniket385 You didn’t know that many Indians supplied the Japanese and even the Axis through hidden means by smuggling goods across boats? Although Tata couldn’t have possibly sold their steel to Germans after the war, but before they could’ve done it before the war since Britain and Germany were huge trading partners or by supplying it to Henry Ford, who was a massive anti semite and kept Hitlers picture on his desk, even going so far to supply him with the assembly line formula to help build tanks for the German army.
Those who don't know Tata is well known brand in every aspect of Indian life. From Software consultancy to Salt, from Cars and trucks to solar panels, from electricity generation to tomato ketchup, Tata makes everything. Tata trademark is symbol of trust in India. People trust tata more than they trust Indian government. And Tata hs never been caught doing anything wrong. Yes they are monopoly in many but their products are of good quality
As an Indian, I too feel I grew up surrounded by Tata. I never really thought much of it as a kid, but now looking back I can clearly say they’re an exception in the corporate world. I do feel they are the most ethical corporation, maintaining their track record for 100+ years. Their product quality and innovations are also highly respectable. They also don’t gouge customers at price, even though they can with the power of their brand. They are a true nationalist private company.
Lol he was literally caught in the Radia tapes trying to convince her to lobby for sweetheart deals in the 2G case. Don’t get me wrong I love Tatas, but let’s not go overboard worshipping conglomerates.
There's a great chance that you are using one of their products through their Sub-Brands. It's a Giant Salt to Steel to Civilian and Defence Engineering Conglomerate. Tetley Tea is owned by Tata, to give you an example.
Well FYI He is the richest person of the world..with more then 300Billion of net worth..(only if he didn't Donated 60% of his net worth) He is the person who has no Hater in India..He is Beloved MR RATAN TATA. A modern day Kind Hearted king... Retired Chairman of TATA Conglomerate.
Everyone in India knows about this conglomerate TATA. And especially TATA steel and TATA motors, the former was just covered in the video, but the latter is equally iconic. They have the distinction of being the first ( and probably only) company outside Germany that got a license from Daimler Benz to assemble Mercedes trucks in India, DB was so impressed by their ( Tata) work ethic, professionalism and the quality of the products they produced that they shared the technology for the entire manufacturing process with Tata, and this was in the 1950's. But the socialism BS of the ruling Nehru family ( license raj and nationalisation of major industry) almost killed Indian manufacturing industry and entrepreneurship in the country. The Tata' s however were too big and too popular with the public to fully nationalise, however some Tata companies like Air India ( airline) and the Central bank of India ( Banking) were nationalized by the government, and since then have always been loosing money and providing crappy service. India is probably one of the few countries in the world that de industrialized itself. We could have been miles ahead of South Korea or China if our own politicians had not screwed our economy ( and the country ).
Tata is the most loved brand in india. UNlike other big corporations who are accused of profiteering, TATA has a much better image among the people. the founders of TATA played a big role in the freedom movement. Unfortunately Parsis are infamous for having ridiculously low birth rates. Ratan Tata who used to head TATA group but retired due to old age, is unmarried and does not have kids. We may never be able to see a Tata at the helm of TATA group again.
Lol Tatas literally profiteered from opium wars and were loyal to britishers. All big groups whether tata, birla, wadia, bajaj used to suck up to Congress just like how ppl accuse ambani adani nowadays
Do you know Tata Steel is the first Indian private company to use computer, patch card systems for employees pay role and tcs is the internal support system for it's salary processing. You may need another 2 episode to cover this topic.
Well tata is another company that’s threatening government to set monopoly and destroy competitor and profit from government projects that tax payers paid for now multi million dollars stolen in a unfair way
Great video! Are you interested in making a video about the tragedy of the German nuclear industry? An industry that never really had a problem of cost overruns, was extremely safe and had solutions in basically every sector (BWRs, PWRs, heavy water reactors, natrium breeders and recycling) but was solely killed by populist sentiment?
Great video! have you consider the idea of making a video for both POSCO and JSW steel? Also it would be really nice if you could make a video about the impact of the Linz - Donawitz steel converters in the development of asian countries.
If you know about Britain and China then you will realize that the "trading company" was actually Opium Trading. Thus, this visit to Hong Kong and Shanghai. The British Empire grew Opium using Serfs in India, used "traders" like JN Tata and sold it in China.
@@kerriwilson7732 It was made legal at the muzzle of a gun, not like the Chinese had a lot of choices after losing the Opium wars. Legality ≠ morality. Just as companies in Nazi Germany being legally allowed to use forced slave labour doesn't make it right or morally acceptable.
Thank you for illustrating the inefficiencies of artisan production! I'm not saying it should be banned, but I reject the notion that somehow it's more organic, clean, or efficient. This goes not only for steel but ceramics and many other industries.
The British hated TATA, going so far to say that they would *eat* all the steel from the Jamshed plant. As explained in the video the tata steel had higher quality to meet with the same price. Yet, they succeeded
Maybe I misunderstood. But I think they said British railways accepted steel of a lower standard than the Indian government required, not that British steel was a lower quality than the standard required of Tata.
@@kerriwilson7732 It was once tata complied. Also, you see the discrimination clearly here by having higher quality demands from an Indian producer than British or American ones. It baffles me that there are still people who defend these colonial parasites.
TATA industries are integral part of India's industrialization in many sectors. Steel is one of them. They also started the Air services in 1920s. A well reputed Indian consortium.
The connection between tata and chess, is the Dutch tata owned company former called Hoogovens who organized the chess tournament since 1938. Yes’s with indeed many Russian winners
British steel plant manufacturers were rather reluctant at the idea of supplying Tata with steelmaking equipment, so Tata went shopping in the USA where Mesta Machine and other Pittsburgh-area suppliers were waiting for him with arms wide open... after all, "pecunia non olet". That included the steam locomotives used to move raw materials and finished products around the plant which were some of the relatively few US-built steam locomotives delivered to India. It also explained why the internal narrow-gauge railway system used to move ingots from the ingot stripper to the rolling mill was built to 3 foot gauge rather than the more usual (for India) meter gauge. Tata Steel later returned to the USA in the 1920's and bought India's first diesel-electric switching locomotive, built by GE with an Ingersoll-Rand prime mover.
It's a side product of air liquefaction. If I remember correctly, it's separated from the oxygen fraction. So any liquid oxygen/nitrogen production will make xenon as well, but metallurgy is a huge consumer.
Early days of SE Asia's oil industry can be an interesting topic (royal dutch shell etc). And Japan's oil-related problems before and during ww2 can be an interesting sequel to that.. I still dont know how they managed to move their ships, planes and trucks without dependable oil supplies... Tata steel story made me think.. Without Tata steel (and hundreds of thousands of Indian soldiers), could Britain conquer middle east as easily during ww1? Anyways, the titles "...history of steel industry in India..." or "..rise of TSMC corporation..." can make anybody yawn or puke.. But if Asianometry did it, thousands watch as if it is a bond movie.. I think asianometry's only glaring deficiency is the absence of bond girls..🙂 Jokes aside, you continue to amaze me, dear asianometry..
Nah . The Philippines will never go anywhere . The government uses institutionalized corruption . Every government official wants a piece of that pork barrel .
Supposedly Wootz steel makers used Monsoon winds to drive their furnaces, making the coals hot enough to melt the steel. The real challenge with steelmaking back then was getting impurities to not lump up, and Wootz/Damascus steel did this by folding the metal a few times to spread out the impurities - this leaves the trademark wavy streak of impurities on the blade. Japanese swordmakers later took this folding to a whole other level.
Brilliant stuff being Welsh and just round the corner from Port Talbot after watching this i wont regard Tata as forgien Corp seeing the amazing shared history we share
I think the tatas have long since identified as an international organization rather than just an Indian company. They try to serve the community of whichever country they operate in
India was the most industrialised nation in the on the planet before british colonisation. Had India remained independent, there is no limit to what India would have achieved. britain was civilised and pulled into the industrial age on the looted Indian wealth and industrialisation of britain was financed by the deindustrialization of India. Indian wealth was used to build all anglo Saxon countries.
1. They were open to Western education. 2. They had strong connections. 3. They did not shy from going outside to learn new business ideas. 4. Many of them helped the British in early times to trade through mumbai.
At 3:28 Iron pole never rusting.... Actually it did rust!! You can tell that my looking at the pictures you submitted. It formed a patina of iron oxide that protected the rest of it. Otherwise it would be bright and shiny. This is also why the Statue of Liberty is green instead of brown like the copper she is made from....
The video is fantastic as always, its staggering to find a combination of knowledge of physical processes, economics, history and financial research ( Im always impressed by the source of the data on steel prices and operating margins on a company one hundred years ago), so well combined into a whole 20m video. When you see developmental economics in university so much of the interdisciplinary aspects are overlooked but they are the crux of the problem, the combination of these factors are what makes many developmental plans fail in the periphery and even unlimited govt subsidy cannot change some aspects of the laws of physics (i was specially reminded by the early start of the steel production and how Mao wanted to produce steel at any cost ignoring quality and factors of scale in early chines development. Taking these into account, these various forces are essential for any kind of "complete" developmentalist understanding.
Interesting video. To add some more background: India was meant to export agraic goods to England and import industrial goods. Not even Britishers were allowed to import machinery and start industries. However the British were also free traders. So when Britain couldn't compete with US steel any longer the British didn't mind Indians producing their own steel. In the 1920s there was policy change. Many industries which were believed to be able to be competitive in the long run got protective tariffs limited to ten years. I believe this was partly because India helped Britain in WW1 and partly because education took off from very low levels from around 1900. Too many educated unemployed men. Plus some Britishers might have suspected that the Versailles treaties may cause trouble later. Even Churchill opposed Versailles. So good to have a strong India. And indeed India was an important party to WW2. However that last point I haven't read. Just my personal suspicion.
Without using any military operations, the Indians, through businesses such as Tata, have conquered British companies such as Land Rover and Jaguar. I find this hilariously ironic, and beautiful.
Uhm, the Tatas were already extremely wealthy though. They're the drug lords who grew most of the opium that destroyed China. The Opium Wars were started in large part for and by Tata. It's no coincidence the story starts with him going to Hong Kong: That city was founded by Tata's principal smugglers, now known as HSBC, back Jardine Matheson & Co. It's quite a change, from drug lords to industry moguls, but it shouldn't be forgotten that Tata was built on drug smuggling and indescribable cruelty.
Their name is given to one of the most respected and anticipated annual chess competitions. I'm not sure how that came to be but reflects well on them I think.
India didn’t build any steel factories by themselves. Indian gov paid American companies to build steel factories all around India. My uncle Joseph built steel factories after WW2 for 30 yrs. From the late 1950’s through the 1960’s and 1970’s my uncle and the company he part owned and worked in for many years building many steel factories in several cities around India. My uncle Joe would spend about 6 months building a factory in India while living in an Indian house that he rented. He even had an Indian girlfriend that did all the housework and cooking for him. I remember him telling me he and his company built steel factories all over India, including the cities of Mumbai, Bhilai, Jamshedpur, New Delhi, and Jajpur.
Not just American but soviet unicon, Germany and all other western countries. India missed the industrial revolution under British Raj. We had no other option
For those who aren't aware about Jamshed ji Tata. He belonged to miniscule Parsi community professing zoroastrianism. Parsis originally came from what is today Iran in order to avoid religious persecution. They landed at location named sanjan which is town in western state of Gujarat.
India is by far, at least to me, the most economically, historically, anthropologically, and aesthetically interesting culture outside of Europe. It randomly finds a niche, and elaborates it to the extreme. I feel like, if the broaden their scope and work on demographic integrity and infrastructure in its rural and peripheral regions, it could really come to dominate future policymaking, economies, and innovation. They should also focus on curbing brain-drain. I also feel that it has the potential to become the home of the largest nationalist awakening in the world, particularly due to pressures by China and Pakistan/Iran, and to compete with G8 and the USA.
Fanatics have been in power for the last 9 years, corruption existed before that too but the drain was slower though ever present nonetheless We Indians start life on hard mode and many a times it's just easier to thrive in nato countries (their problems seem menial to us because they are) Indians are in an intellectual rut of conformism and all its related regressive sisters Drive to change and improve things dies down when it faces an insurmountable horde of incompetent, incorrigible and hopelessly faithless and corrupt populace Take northwest India for example We have more traffic and congestion than West Africa and developing Chinese cities combined, the air is humid more so than Costa bloody Rica, the people are frustrated because of lack of metros and other high speed intra City transport infrastructure so road rage over small things is common It gets hotter than West Australia and the noise pollution is the worst Literally everything comes together to ruin a summer day of driving in India Instead of solutions the people are pitted against each other for identity politics vote banks Who can blame this mess Everyone is complicit
@@H0mework Zero, cotton clothing and spinning wheels, buttons, chicken rearing, a big chunk of modern day spices, cow domestication, soap and shampoo, plumbing, rhinoplasty, lots of mathematics... Sadly india had a technological draught in the early medieval period.
@@echosmith5256 I think we used to eat quail actually. You can still find wild chicken(jungle fowl) across india however. Most of India's history is shrouded in mystery and co-incidence. Japan was a shock for me as a Hindu to find out the almost identical similarities with Shinto structures and philosophies. Some japanese and indian scholars pre WW2 were also of the same mind.
@@echosmith5256 The soap thing is interesting, because the etruscan and italic people's had soap as well, that the Romans would later mythicize into a legend where it was discovered by accident on the shores of a river, filled with sacrificial ashes and carcasses and plants of all kinds, at the base of Mt. Sapo. That's where the term comes from in practically all languages that incorporate Latin. (i.e., saponification is the term for sudsing and detergent action in water).
Other companies built brands but the Tatas built a nation. They gave us Tata Steel, technology institutes like the IITs,cancer research facilities,our first airline,etc.
Please also reference that the Tatas earned a vast majority of their fortune during the opium wars trading opium and tea with China. they say the roads of bombay are paved by the opium gold of the Tatas.
I worked in the welding and fabrication industry and no one in Europe was using Indian steel for civil engineering on saftey grounds until very recently, in ship building Indian built vessels were insured with a much shorter lifespan.
Indian steel/iron smelting goes back to age when Asurs(demons according to word but a tribal sect to be honest) ruled in many areas of Indian jungles... Their techniques were preserved in poems and songs and verbally passed over. Today only handful of these asur tribals exist ... As community suffered great losses and missed opportunity with time. They were known for rust proof iron smelting techniques.
India is a country of very socilist mindset, when in the name of capitalism the colonialism endures the society usually tends towards socilist political ideology so nothing new there however even in this socialist country where wealth creators and wealthy are seen as evil, enemy of proletariat. TATA's are seen with respect, From Jamshed ji TATA to Ratna TATA, the brand TATA is seen with respect by Indian, A rare exception.
2:52 that is a controversial statement. Alexander didn't conquered India even though according to you he defeated porus which was the last man holding him from an invasion. After this battle Alexander's Empire collapsed. Their ain't no way Alexander won this battle.
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TATA also has reputation of treating their workers very well. My grandfather worked for them. He received many benifits and after his death my grandmother still got a great pension from them.
Not anymore mate
@@kingk5013 what happened
When it comes to quality I buy either german steel or indian tata steel. Because when working as an engineer everytime I got a lab report of their steel and independently verified it was always on the money just like the german steel
German steel? luxembourg ?
@@mayanksingh0044 I now live in a village which literally has a iron and steel works best to it. But German steel and metallurgical products have always been very high quality from my experience working as a machinist through college and then when I spec'd materials once I became an engineer
@@mayanksingh0044 Germany produces specialized steel, not the standard one anymore.
That's not because of Tata, that's because Tata outright bought quality producers (and their knowledge) such as Koninklijke Nederlandse Hoogovens en Staalfabrieken NV.
All Tata did was take that existing stock, then break half of the safety and all of the environmental regulations to increase the profits, and carry on as they were.
I guess that MO shouldn't come as a surprise for a clan that consists of drug lords. Tata only had money because they grew the opium that destroyed China. The Opium Wars were started for and by pressure from Tata.
Exactly. Their tool steels aren't exceptional but excellent nonetheless. Powdered metallurgy is great but has fairly limited application given the cost.
The British Chief Commissioner for the Indian Railways famously said, “Do you mean to say that the Tatas propose to make steel rails to British specifications? Why, I will undertake to eat every pound of steel rail they succeed in making.” In 2023, Tata now runs the two of the last 4 operational blast furnaces in the UK. It is also the largest manufacturing employer in the UK - both directly (via Tata steel, JLR, Tetley etc.) and indirectly (Largest engine orders to Roll Royce, aircraft orders for Airbus etc.).
All this to say, one shouldn't be too arrogant. Fortune changes for everyone.
Btw Tata's aren't an image of perfection either, they made a lot of their initial money via the opium trade.
Do you have any references about this British Chief Commisioner? What is his name? Where did he say it? Which official record?
@@mudra5114 Somehow RUclips removes the comment with a URL in reply. Commissioner's name was Sir Frederick Upcott. It was a well documented fact, if you google it, you'll see it reported in TIME, BBC and many other similar sources.
@@raxsin12 Besides there was never any post called Chief Commisioner for Indian Railways. It never existed.
@@raxsin12 Can't find anything.
@@raxsin12Also the post of Chief Commisioner never existed. Looks like some fake news.
TATA is least hated conglomerate in India. In fact I would go as far to say they are most loved and respected one. Working for TATA group has always been my dream. I worked for their engineering firm, and I must say I felt proud doing so.
That's great to hear, if I ever need something from India again I'll consider them first. I prefer to buy from companies that treat their people well
As an Indian, I can verify that
Hope you enjoy being poisoned to death while they break every environmental regulation that exists.
Tata are some of the worst sh*tbags in the industry. Unsurprising I guess as they were drug lords who got rich off of opium.
@@cedric3973 First company in the world to have an 8 hour workday.
Tanishq ad says different story
Fun to know this thing is known outside of India. As kid who was born and raised in Jamshedpur I feel proud at certain elements of my town but sometimes it's not the complete picture. But there are tons more things that Tata industry did for it's workers, from free healthcare to free housing and even inviting educators from around the world to build XLRI, a premier management institute, NIT (which was previously called RIT or regional institute of technology) to building IISc, Urban planning, waste management and primary and secondary education for it's employees.
Even today companies cannot build the infrastructure that a single steel plant in region which had less than 25% literacy in 1907 was able to do. It is a miracle it worked out.
And also a case study in how a town should be built and how important businesses, industry and social welfare, education, housing and healthcare (TMH) were intertwined in the what we can easily state is the TATA ideology
To be honest I had only heard of them through chess ( the tata steel chess tournament). It's nice to know more !
I always enjoy you interesting looks at defunct and little-known giants. (As someone in the semiconductor industry, I do enjoy your look into semiconductors the most, but these are a close-ish second!)
I feel lucky that I've been so on-time to your videos lately too!
Tata Steel and the Tata conglomerate is hardly defunct or well known.
Tata is one the big Indian corporations today with a world wide presence
@@Nmax well, I suppose that is true. Tata Group is certainly well-known, but less so outside of India. Furthermore, I for one didn't realize they started in steel production since they have expanded well beyond that initial scope.
@@AlexSchendelwhat is your job in semiconductor industry
@@abi3751 I'm currently a server firmware engineer working on OpenBMC
So im not even finished with the video and im already into a mode of congratulations for more amazing content... As always thanks for sharing your approach!
My grandfather used to work at Tata Steel in Jamshedpur. These guys are a landmark in Asian industry.
The -ji suffix is not strictly part of the name but a honorary mark of respect, something like English "sir" or "mister", hence it's not "Dorab for short" but rather just "Dorab, Dorabji for long".
I remember something about Swami Vikekananda inspiring Jamsetji tata to take up the mantle for India's development. He certainly is responsible in some way for the creation of the entire revolutionary movement itself. I also heard some rumour somewhere that Without the vast foundries of TATA , the british would not have been able to fight in WW2.
TATA steel provided 300,000 tonnes of steel for the bri’ish war efforts.
Should’ve made a deal with the Germans instead, made off with huge profits instead of sacrificing massive profits from not selling it on the open market.
@@Tenisinspector8341 You do know that India was a British Colony then ?
@@aniket385 You didn’t know that many Indians supplied the Japanese and even the Axis through hidden means by smuggling goods across boats? Although Tata couldn’t have possibly sold their steel to Germans after the war, but before they could’ve done it before the war since Britain and Germany were huge trading partners or by supplying it to Henry Ford, who was a massive anti semite and kept Hitlers picture on his desk, even going so far to supply him with the assembly line formula to help build tanks for the German army.
Those who don't know Tata is well known brand in every aspect of Indian life. From Software consultancy to Salt, from Cars and trucks to solar panels, from electricity generation to tomato ketchup, Tata makes everything. Tata trademark is symbol of trust in India. People trust tata more than they trust Indian government. And Tata hs never been caught doing anything wrong. Yes they are monopoly in many but their products are of good quality
lol ok tata PR
As an Indian, I too feel I grew up surrounded by Tata. I never really thought much of it as a kid, but now looking back I can clearly say they’re an exception in the corporate world. I do feel they are the most ethical corporation, maintaining their track record for 100+ years. Their product quality and innovations are also highly respectable. They also don’t gouge customers at price, even though they can with the power of their brand. They are a true nationalist private company.
Lol he was literally caught in the Radia tapes trying to convince her to lobby for sweetheart deals in the 2G case.
Don’t get me wrong I love Tatas, but let’s not go overboard worshipping conglomerates.
@@asishreddy7729 TATA can't make smartphone
dude you just sound brainwashed
Great video! Love Indian business stories.
Hold on now, steel isn't a semiconductor, right?
Anything's a semiconductor if the temperature and voltage are right
@@dreckman69 This is true.
The beauty of Fermi level
@@dreckman69 Ha! :)
A steel pan conducts heat from the flame below but not at 100%. It is therefore a semiconductor. (Philosophy 1- science 0)
As someone who grew up near one of those plants, their scale and operations are insane
Never heard of this company. This is why I enjoy this channel. That and I'm a semiconductor/tech nerd.
There's a great chance that you are using one of their products through their Sub-Brands. It's a Giant Salt to Steel to Civilian and Defence Engineering Conglomerate.
Tetley Tea is owned by Tata, to give you an example.
Think of it as the Indian GM, but diversified and larger. It is an "interesting" company to work for.
Well FYI He is the richest person of the world..with more then 300Billion of net worth..(only if he didn't Donated 60% of his net worth)
He is the person who has no Hater in India..He is Beloved MR RATAN TATA. A modern day Kind Hearted king... Retired Chairman of TATA Conglomerate.
Parent company of Jaguar and Land Rover.
Everyone in India knows about this conglomerate TATA. And especially TATA steel and TATA motors, the former was just covered in the video, but the latter is equally iconic.
They have the distinction of being the first ( and probably only) company outside Germany that got a license from Daimler Benz to assemble Mercedes trucks in India, DB was so impressed by their ( Tata) work ethic, professionalism and the quality of the products they produced that they shared the technology for the entire manufacturing process with Tata, and this was in the 1950's.
But the socialism BS of the ruling Nehru family ( license raj and nationalisation of major industry) almost killed Indian manufacturing industry and entrepreneurship in the country.
The Tata' s however were too big and too popular with the public to fully nationalise, however some Tata companies like Air India ( airline) and the Central bank of India ( Banking) were nationalized by the government, and since then have always been loosing money and providing crappy service.
India is probably one of the few countries in the world that de industrialized itself.
We could have been miles ahead of South Korea or China if our own politicians had not screwed our economy ( and the country ).
Tata is the most loved brand in india. UNlike other big corporations who are accused of profiteering, TATA has a much better image among the people. the founders of TATA played a big role in the freedom movement. Unfortunately Parsis are infamous for having ridiculously low birth rates. Ratan Tata who used to head TATA group but retired due to old age, is unmarried and does not have kids. We may never be able to see a Tata at the helm of TATA group again.
Lol Tatas literally profiteered from opium wars and were loyal to britishers.
All big groups whether tata, birla, wadia, bajaj used to suck up to Congress just like how ppl accuse ambani adani nowadays
@@mayurkanth6987 typical commie
Socialism will kill us. Remember west Bengal jihad on tata motors.
Do you know Tata Steel is the first Indian private company to use computer, patch card systems for employees pay role and tcs is the internal support system for it's salary processing. You may need another 2 episode to cover this topic.
No .
Actually its asian paints
Well tata is another company that’s threatening government to set monopoly and destroy competitor and profit from government projects that tax payers paid for now multi million dollars stolen in a unfair way
Thanks!
Great video and much appreciation to the Indian nation and the Tata family for doing great things to India and the whole world!
Great video!
Are you interested in making a video about the tragedy of the German nuclear industry? An industry that never really had a problem of cost overruns, was extremely safe and had solutions in basically every sector (BWRs, PWRs, heavy water reactors, natrium breeders and recycling) but was solely killed by populist sentiment?
So there was nothing wrong with nuclear industry in Germany?
@@jharnakamila4215 I'm sure you can find something if you want to. But it worked great.
There’s a Tata Starbucks collaboration and Tata that does tech support. What can’t they do?!?
there is also tata motors which is india's second biggest autombile company
Ironically, Semiconductors.
Tata is also my wife
I could say a lot of things they can't do well, but I won't. You would be appalled at their internal website for the IT consulting company.
@@john_in_phoenix you're not wrong
Nice to see the excellent Construction Physics blog getting a shout out
Thank you for looking at India's ancient iron-works heritage. It is said the famous Damascus steel sword technology was also obtained from India.
Woortz Steel.
This was mad interesting and really well made. Thanks man
Great video! have you consider the idea of making a video for both POSCO and JSW steel?
Also it would be really nice if you could make a video about the impact of the Linz - Donawitz steel converters in the development of asian countries.
House of Tata's are a blessing to India and the world.
If you know about Britain and China then you will realize that the "trading company" was actually Opium Trading. Thus, this visit to Hong Kong and Shanghai.
The British Empire grew Opium using Serfs in India, used "traders" like JN Tata and sold it in China.
Not remarkably different than supplying alcohol to the population. It was a legal product then, restricted later.
@@kerriwilson7732 It was made legal at the muzzle of a gun, not like the Chinese had a lot of choices after losing the Opium wars. Legality ≠ morality. Just as companies in Nazi Germany being legally allowed to use forced slave labour doesn't make it right or morally acceptable.
Always enjoy your videos. Thanks so much! ❤
Thank you for illustrating the inefficiencies of artisan production! I'm not saying it should be banned, but I reject the notion that somehow it's more organic, clean, or efficient. This goes not only for steel but ceramics and many other industries.
The British hated TATA, going so far to say that they would *eat* all the steel from the Jamshed plant. As explained in the video the tata steel had higher quality to meet with the same price. Yet, they succeeded
Maybe I misunderstood. But I think they said British railways accepted steel of a lower standard than the Indian government required, not that British steel was a lower quality than the standard required of Tata.
@@kerriwilson7732 It was once tata complied. Also, you see the discrimination clearly here by having higher quality demands from an Indian producer than British or American ones. It baffles me that there are still people who defend these colonial parasites.
At independence in 1947, because East Asia was devastated by WW2, India was the most powerful Industrial power in Asia.
I went there as visiting researcher for a forecasting project they were implementing !
TATA industries are integral part of India's industrialization in many sectors. Steel is one of them. They also started the Air services in 1920s. A well reputed Indian consortium.
I had always thought Tata Steel was Russian - because of the chess connection via the Tata Steel chess tournament. I stand corrected.
TBH Russian and Chess has the connection. But both Tata and chess are Indian.
It's funny because both chess and Tata are Indian origin.😂
The connection between tata and chess, is the Dutch tata owned company former called Hoogovens who organized the chess tournament since 1938. Yes’s with indeed many Russian winners
British steel plant manufacturers were rather reluctant at the idea of supplying Tata with steelmaking equipment, so Tata went shopping in the USA where Mesta Machine and other Pittsburgh-area suppliers were waiting for him with arms wide open... after all, "pecunia non olet". That included the steam locomotives used to move raw materials and finished products around the plant which were some of the relatively few US-built steam locomotives delivered to India. It also explained why the internal narrow-gauge railway system used to move ingots from the ingot stripper to the rolling mill was built to 3 foot gauge rather than the more usual (for India) meter gauge. Tata Steel later returned to the USA in the 1920's and bought India's first diesel-electric switching locomotive, built by GE with an Ingersoll-Rand prime mover.
Fantastic video, wasn't sure if I would be interested but hooked me immediately.
Isn't Xenon gas a side product of making steel? Xenon gas is used by ASML to manufacture semiconductors.
It's a side product of air liquefaction. If I remember correctly, it's separated from the oxygen fraction. So any liquid oxygen/nitrogen production will make xenon as well, but metallurgy is a huge consumer.
@@rampel1 I confirmed xenon is produced through liquefaction of water.
Can you put references in description please? Thank you
Early days of SE Asia's oil industry can be an interesting topic (royal dutch shell etc). And Japan's oil-related problems before and during ww2 can be an interesting sequel to that.. I still dont know how they managed to move their ships, planes and trucks without dependable oil supplies...
Tata steel story made me think.. Without Tata steel (and hundreds of thousands of Indian soldiers), could Britain conquer middle east as easily during ww1?
Anyways, the titles "...history of steel industry in India..." or "..rise of TSMC corporation..." can make anybody yawn or puke.. But if Asianometry did it, thousands watch as if it is a bond movie.. I think asianometry's only glaring deficiency is the absence of bond girls..🙂
Jokes aside, you continue to amaze me, dear asianometry..
Inb4 this does 1M views.
But srs, thanks for imparting your knawledge from the 2000 books in your garage in the Hollywood hills
I nearly commented on this a very different way than this and then I remember the knawledge guy with his lamobginee.
Must be a fancy garaj!
2:24 Low key comedy gold. I never get TYred of that easteregg
That is how build nation Knowledge , energy resources, metal for tools to have it done. I hope Philippines some day learn. 😊
Nah . The Philippines will never go anywhere . The government uses institutionalized corruption . Every government official wants a piece of that pork barrel .
Good vid bud.keep up the great work.
Well written and narrated, good video. Very interesting.
Amazingly well researched piece. You never disappoint!
The Parsis have been a boon for India.. the most respected and trusted community
Yes
I didn't know Tai Lopez is actually Indian
I actually share the last name and people say I look Indian
Supposedly Wootz steel makers used Monsoon winds to drive their furnaces, making the coals hot enough to melt the steel. The real challenge with steelmaking back then was getting impurities to not lump up, and Wootz/Damascus steel did this by folding the metal a few times to spread out the impurities - this leaves the trademark wavy streak of impurities on the blade. Japanese swordmakers later took this folding to a whole other level.
FYI, that picture you used at 19:22 is not of Jamshedpur, can confirm that as a native, we do not have tall buildings like that to this date.
Great coverage
Brilliant stuff being Welsh and just round the corner from Port Talbot after watching this i wont regard Tata as forgien Corp seeing the amazing shared history we share
I think the tatas have long since identified as an international organization rather than just an Indian company. They try to serve the community of whichever country they operate in
Another great program thank you!
Tata Group has 1 Million employees. 100 plus companies. Indias industrial powerhouse
India was the most industrialised nation in the on the planet before british colonisation. Had India remained independent, there is no limit to what India would have achieved. britain was civilised and pulled into the industrial age on the looted Indian wealth and industrialisation of britain was financed by the deindustrialization of India. Indian wealth was used to build all anglo Saxon countries.
This is a nice diversion from VLSI industry. I hope you will also make some forays into chemical industry...
He had already done this before
@@abi3751 can you send a link?
@@sahhaf1234 I meant not this particular video, I told he had already diverted into other industries even before this video
Great video bro❤❤❤❤
Steel is such a versatile material
your videos and research is a gem
Ooo... Interesting choice of topic
The 19:14 image is not from Jamshedpur. I don't know where you found it
Wonderful research
Would there be a follow up video on this, on tata steel’s current status
Please just make the France Industrial espionage video! Waiting since months on that one.
You know that this is an Asian-themed channel right?
@@kristoffermangila Asia mostly. But not always
I always wondered what made the Parsis such successful businesspeople in India. Can anyone explain??
1. They were open to Western education.
2. They had strong connections.
3. They did not shy from going outside to learn new business ideas.
4. Many of them helped the British in early times to trade through mumbai.
For most being pioneer of opium trade in south china sea
They were one of the greatest benifitors of opium trade
Og durg lords
20:50
Can someone say how they resolved the labor productivity issues?
At 3:28
Iron pole never rusting....
Actually it did rust!! You can tell that my looking at the pictures you submitted.
It formed a patina of iron oxide that protected the rest of it. Otherwise it would be bright and shiny. This is also why the Statue of Liberty is green instead of brown like the copper she is made from....
No it's not rusted yet other famous steel from India was Damascus blade steel which is exported from India to Arab world
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That is also an oxide layer that forms of patina that ends up protecting. Oxide is rust....just this rust happens to be a good thing!!
Great video!
The video is fantastic as always, its staggering to find a combination of knowledge of physical processes, economics, history and financial research ( Im always impressed by the source of the data on steel prices and operating margins on a company one hundred years ago), so well combined into a whole 20m video. When you see developmental economics in university so much of the interdisciplinary aspects are overlooked but they are the crux of the problem, the combination of these factors are what makes many developmental plans fail in the periphery and even unlimited govt subsidy cannot change some aspects of the laws of physics (i was specially reminded by the early start of the steel production and how Mao wanted to produce steel at any cost ignoring quality and factors of scale in early chines development. Taking these into account, these various forces are essential for any kind of "complete" developmentalist understanding.
You forgot to add maharaja of mayurbhanj who provided concession to tata to build tata steel at sakchi village
Interesting video. To add some more background:
India was meant to export agraic goods to England and import industrial goods. Not even Britishers were allowed to import machinery and start industries. However the British were also free traders. So when Britain couldn't compete with US steel any longer the British didn't mind Indians producing their own steel.
In the 1920s there was policy change. Many industries which were believed to be able to be competitive in the long run got protective tariffs limited to ten years. I believe this was partly because India helped Britain in WW1 and partly because education took off from very low levels from around 1900. Too many educated unemployed men.
Plus some Britishers might have suspected that the Versailles treaties may cause trouble later. Even Churchill opposed Versailles. So good to have a strong India. And indeed India was an important party to WW2. However that last point I haven't read. Just my personal suspicion.
Without using any military operations, the Indians, through businesses such as Tata, have conquered British companies such as Land Rover and Jaguar. I find this hilariously ironic, and beautiful.
Their Prime Minister is now Indian too. Its over for Britcels.😂
@@greatwolf5372 tbf his parents migrated from present day pakistan
@@greatwolf5372 Just think how racist Churchill was towards them and now a Hindu is the Tory PM.
@@RahulSharma-jm9ir nope he is a twice migrant from East Africa. He has clarified that he identifies as Indian not Pakistani.
Proud of brain drain? I don't get you people.
Long awaited on Indian industries
Uhm, the Tatas were already extremely wealthy though. They're the drug lords who grew most of the opium that destroyed China. The Opium Wars were started in large part for and by Tata.
It's no coincidence the story starts with him going to Hong Kong: That city was founded by Tata's principal smugglers, now known as HSBC, back Jardine Matheson & Co.
It's quite a change, from drug lords to industry moguls, but it shouldn't be forgotten that Tata was built on drug smuggling and indescribable cruelty.
Their name is given to one of the most respected and anticipated annual chess competitions. I'm not sure how that came to be but reflects well on them I think.
Very interesting, Jon! But all your videos turn-out to be very interesting
India didn’t build any steel factories by themselves. Indian gov paid American companies to build steel factories all around India. My uncle Joseph built steel factories after WW2 for 30 yrs. From the late 1950’s through the 1960’s and 1970’s my uncle and the company he part owned and worked in for many years building many steel factories in several cities around India. My uncle Joe would spend about 6 months building a factory in India while living in an Indian house that he rented. He even had an Indian girlfriend that did all the housework and cooking for him. I remember him telling me he and his company built steel factories all over India, including the cities of Mumbai, Bhilai, Jamshedpur, New Delhi, and Jajpur.
Not just American but soviet unicon, Germany and all other western countries. India missed the industrial revolution under British Raj. We had no other option
2:25 The guy (Tai Lopez) on the left is a prominent scam artist and possibly a contract psychopath. What made you use his picture here?
The Founder and his son: Nice pair of Tatas
For those who aren't aware about Jamshed ji Tata. He belonged to miniscule Parsi community professing zoroastrianism. Parsis originally came from what is today Iran in order to avoid religious persecution. They landed at location named sanjan which is town in western state of Gujarat.
India is by far, at least to me, the most economically, historically, anthropologically, and aesthetically interesting culture outside of Europe. It randomly finds a niche, and elaborates it to the extreme. I feel like, if the broaden their scope and work on demographic integrity and infrastructure in its rural and peripheral regions, it could really come to dominate future policymaking, economies, and innovation. They should also focus on curbing brain-drain. I also feel that it has the potential to become the home of the largest nationalist awakening in the world, particularly due to pressures by China and Pakistan/Iran, and to compete with G8 and the USA.
Fanatics have been in power for the last 9 years, corruption existed before that too but the drain was slower though ever present nonetheless
We Indians start life on hard mode and many a times it's just easier to thrive in nato countries (their problems seem menial to us because they are)
Indians are in an intellectual rut of conformism and all its related regressive sisters
Drive to change and improve things dies down when it faces an insurmountable horde of incompetent, incorrigible and hopelessly faithless and corrupt populace
Take northwest India for example
We have more traffic and congestion than West Africa and developing Chinese cities combined, the air is humid more so than Costa bloody Rica, the people are frustrated because of lack of metros and other high speed intra City transport infrastructure so road rage over small things is common
It gets hotter than West Australia and the noise pollution is the worst
Literally everything comes together to ruin a summer day of driving in India
Instead of solutions the people are pitted against each other for identity politics vote banks
Who can blame this mess
Everyone is complicit
Wait until you find out Arabic numerals are actually indic. Lots of interesting things originated there.
@@H0mework Zero, cotton clothing and spinning wheels, buttons, chicken rearing, a big chunk of modern day spices, cow domestication, soap and shampoo, plumbing, rhinoplasty, lots of mathematics...
Sadly india had a technological draught in the early medieval period.
@@echosmith5256 I think we used to eat quail actually. You can still find wild chicken(jungle fowl) across india however. Most of India's history is shrouded in mystery and co-incidence. Japan was a shock for me as a Hindu to find out the almost identical similarities with Shinto structures and philosophies. Some japanese and indian scholars pre WW2 were also of the same mind.
@@echosmith5256
The soap thing is interesting, because the etruscan and italic people's had soap as well, that the Romans would later mythicize into a legend where it was discovered by accident on the shores of a river, filled with sacrificial ashes and carcasses and plants of all kinds, at the base of Mt. Sapo. That's where the term comes from in practically all languages that incorporate Latin. (i.e., saponification is the term for sudsing and detergent action in water).
19:15 What part of jamshedpur is that? LoL have I left jamshedpur for too long? have I forgot my city?
Other companies built brands but the Tatas built a nation.
They gave us Tata Steel, technology institutes like the IITs,cancer research facilities,our first airline,etc.
Please also reference that the Tatas earned a vast majority of their fortune during the opium wars trading opium and tea with China. they say the roads of bombay are paved by the opium gold of the Tatas.
very well made video !!!!!
And now it's known as the sponsor of a premier chess tournament... the Tata Steel!
Wow, A brave man and a brave family
I worked in the welding and fabrication industry and no one in Europe was using Indian steel for civil engineering on saftey grounds until very recently, in ship building Indian built vessels were insured with a much shorter lifespan.
Good job !
Tata is lob❤ here in India
Tata's are not less than God for people of Jamshedpur.. and working in Tata group is honour for us..
Would you be interested in doing a video on Infosys?
Colonisation was a well thought out commercial enterprise. It was about money, money, money. It wasn't about evangelicalism etc.
Indian steel/iron smelting goes back to age when Asurs(demons according to word but a tribal sect to be honest) ruled in many areas of Indian jungles... Their techniques were preserved in poems and songs and verbally passed over.
Today only handful of these asur tribals exist ... As community suffered great losses and missed opportunity with time.
They were known for rust proof iron smelting techniques.
Well done, thank you!
I hope you will continue with tata steel's story..
Really great video
11:14 a true Indian 😂
That's why Tata is backbone of Indian Economy
India is a country of very socilist mindset, when in the name of capitalism the colonialism endures the society usually tends towards socilist political ideology so nothing new there however even in this socialist country where wealth creators and wealthy are seen as evil, enemy of proletariat. TATA's are seen with respect, From Jamshed ji TATA to Ratna TATA, the brand TATA is seen with respect by Indian, A rare exception.
Marxist dunce
2:52 that is a controversial statement. Alexander didn't conquered India even though according to you he defeated porus which was the last man holding him from an invasion. After this battle Alexander's Empire collapsed. Their ain't no way Alexander won this battle.