the septic tank aerator scam

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  • Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2024

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  • @SepticTankTV
    @SepticTankTV  4 года назад +2

    www.septictank.co.uk/ecosystem-organic-septic-tank-converter

  • @paulmotchanof9699
    @paulmotchanof9699 3 года назад +28

    I am sorry to say you are painting a picture to benefit your agenda not to share information on the web that is useful to others.
    I converted two of my septic systems to an aeration system a few years back, I have been very happy with the results,
    the old system is outdated and eventually you end up with major septic problems.You are correct in that some areas may not allow it ( these folks are still living in the stone age, and stubborn to change ) so best to check the laws in your area first. But the rest of your video is BS. As you can see from other's comments below, you are not fooling anyone.

  • @craigwillson5974
    @craigwillson5974 2 года назад +13

    Aeration Treatment Units (ATU) also known as Aerobic Bacterial Generators (ABG) have become very common in the United States. To be fair, modern systems have to be designed for an ATU/ABG because they require a Septic Tank with multiple compartments or chambers. Retrofitting a single compartment tank with an ATU/ABG is not a good idea, because agitating the wastewater inside a Septic Tank defeats the purpose of a Septic Tank... solid waste should settle or separate from the liquid inside the tank. Obviously, if an ATU/ABG is stirring up the wastewater, then that process can't happen. However, with an auxiliary tank or secondary tank, the idea of pumping air into the Effluent after the solids have settled or separated from the liquid, is actually beneficial. In other words, Oxygenating the Effluent before it enters into a Leachfield/Drainfield could potentially improve the overall function of the system, and help the Leaching Area or Drainage Area last longer. Again, to accomplish this requires a Septic Tank with multiple compartments or chambers, which has to be incorporated into the design of the system. Otherwise, it requires installing a secondary tank to accommodate the Aerating Equipment. To be clear, this technology has been around for over 20 years now, and is frequently used on small building lots, because it allows a dramatic reduction in the size of the Leachfield/Drainfield. In fact, for waterfront properties, many municipalities are requiring these types of systems. Here in my State of New Hampshire, we refer to them as Clean Solution Systems, because that's the name of the company that designs and installs them. By the way, ATU/ABG Equipment is not cheap, and can increase the cost of a New Septic System by about 10 thousand dollars, but the science behind the technology is sound, because the more the Effluent is Oxygenated, the cleaner it gets. I can tell you that scientifically, it's certainly more effective than a bucket of worms.

    • @InLawsAttic
      @InLawsAttic 2 года назад +1

      Thank you so much, we are just learning about this and the house we are looking at, with no choice because of lack of houses, has this system listed. I will know what to ask for , thank you sir.

    • @craigwillson5974
      @craigwillson5974 2 года назад +2

      @@InLawsAttic I don't know if you're in the United States or Great Britain or maybe even Canada, but it suffices to say, you don't need to be afraid of a Septic System with an Aeration Treatment Unit (ATU) also referred to as an "air pump" or a "bubbler"... that's basically what it is. In any case, you just need to be properly educated on how this technology works, because it's a little different than your basic or average Septic System... that's all.

    • @gauravvij67
      @gauravvij67 Год назад +1

      If your have a normal 2 compartment septic tank you can put in two pump in each compartment and have them intermittent on timers overnight thus one compartment is always able to settle solids. You can also just buy 2 pumps and DIY make the aeration pipe drilling holes in some Flexi hose and dropping it in and having simple timers on each pump that cost 10 each. Total should be under 300 bucks plus 200 for a outlet filter to stop solids getting to drainfield as overkill. I'd run it for 8 hours overnight 4 hours each Whilst it will kick up solids the aerobic bacteria will break this down to nothing so the days sludge turns to liquid hence never needing pumping 👍😉

    • @craigwillson5974
      @craigwillson5974 Год назад

      @@gauravvij67 I thought you should know that pumping a Septic Tank with an Aeration Treatment Unit (ATU) or Air Pump is still necessary... not as often, but it'll still need to be pumped. I typically recommend every 2 to 3 years for the average 1000 Gallon Tank or even 1500 Gallon Tank with a family of 4 people. Septic Tanks that have Aeration Treatment Equipment usually have more than one compartment or chamber, so the frequency of pumping is less often... maybe every 5 to 6 years for a family of 4 people. Obviously, the number of full time occupants living in the home is a consideration. As is the size of the tank, but even with a 2 Compartment or 3 Compartment Septic Tank, the first compartment is usually the biggest, and it's where the majority of the solids are collected and contained. As a result, it's a good idea to have it pumped out at regular intervals. Again, it could be every 3 to 4 years or maybe every 5 to 6 years. However, the 2nd and 3rd compartments should very rarely need pumping... if at all. I've been working in the Wastewater Industry for over 20 years, and in my opinion, it's always a good idea to service the Septic Tank at regular intervals for routine maintenance, because it certainly can't hurt the system. I actually think it's cheap insurance and it gives homeowners piece of mind. Plus, pumping is relatively inexpensive compared to the cost of a new system, which is around 20 thousand dollars these days. Here in my state of New Hampshire, replacing an existing Septic System is usually more expensive because the environmental rules and regulations have changed drastically in the past 30 or 40 years. As a result, bringing an older system into compliance with modern codes or today's standards isn't cheap... It's Big Bucks!

  • @timothybenton3561
    @timothybenton3561 2 года назад +7

    Common misconception. Not all sewage tanks are "septic tanks". There is a difference between an old school septic tank and an Aerobic Treatment System (ATS)
    Septic tanks are single chamber tanks.. imagine a hot tub with a lid on it with one pipe in and one pipe out. They're simple and have stood the test of time. Poop flows in and settles to the bottom and breeds bacteria and then flows out. Usually its recommended to add stuff like Rid-X to help increase the concentration of bacteria to help digestion since it is non aerobic. The exit pipe should have some sort of "T" or down pipe to keep floaters from getting out of the tank. They usually discharge the sewage through a field line. Field line/Leech fields are usually perforated flexible corrugated pipe inside some sort of sock. They're usually buried in a trench with gravel under them and on top of them in a serpentine pattern in the yard. Look for really green grass in a snake pattern nine times out of 10 that's the field line. Its usually not the tank itself that fails because they were almost always made out of concrete with the exception of some being made of fiberglass and even metal... If you're thinking to yourself "wouldn't metal rust?" then BINGO!! They sure did. If we come across a metal tank during an inspection we will not pass it. We will require it be replaced. Since the tanks are usually pretty bulletproof the only other thing that can fail is the the field line/leech field. They commonly fail due to roots, tampons, pads, "flushable wipes", condoms, sludge, heavy equipment crushing them, grease, material failure, etc. When the field line fails you will start to get black oily looking water seeping out of the ground or you'll have a back up when you have heavy rains or consistent rain. Sometimes it will also manifest in a wet spot in the yard that never seems to dry up. Usually when the field line fails its game over for the entire system.... That is because there is no way to snake it. If you try to you will annihilate the soft corrugated pipe causing further damage. Also the regulatory bodies over wastewater are actively phasing them out and don't want them repaired. Your best option will be to start over with an ATS. If you have a septic tank right now that's working fine I would just run that thing until it craps out or you're forced to replace it.
    An ATS is a much more modern design it consists of multiple chambers that do different things. Usually they consist of three chambers Pre-Treatment (non aerated chamber/trash tank), Aeration (air digestion) and Settling (non aerated chamber that usually has some sort of return pipe for any solids that migrate into it to slide back into the digestion tank) Usually every chamber has a "T" on the pipe leaving the chamber to keep floaters/floating turds and other trash from getting out of it the last chamber is the most important one to have a "T" because its the last place it goes before its dispersed. If it doesn't have a T or downpipe leaving the settling tank you will constantly have trash getting into the dispersion tank. The ATS uses the principle of adding oxygen to the system to help increase the concentration of bacteria to essentially eat the solids into a liquid. It does this usually with an electric motor (Aerator) ie. Hiblow HP80 attached to a PVC pipe that's trenched over into the tank and plumbed to the bottom. The air is pushed through a special type of part at the bottom to create very tiny bubbles and swirl the solids around in the tank that part is called a "diffuser bars or diffuser stones". Think about it like a fish tank they use diffuser bars to create teeny tiny bubbles. If the bubbles are to big they will just gurgle up to the surface and won't oxygenate the water very well. Some companies make there own low cost diffuser bars by taking 1/2" PVC and capping the end and drilling tiny holes in it. The preferred discharge method of ATS systems are Spray (Sprinklers, usually Rain Bird Maxipaw's or K Rains. The sprinkler heads themselves are usually purple topped to designate wastewater), Drip (pushing water to a buried square grid of pipes these are usually used in small area usually less than an acre and are usually 3-4x more expensive than spray because they are extremely complex and require more labor), Chambers (simpler field line ie. no gravel) and Overland (literally a 4" pipe discharging into the woods or open pasture). Where I am in the US they even require the water to run across a chlorine tablet and into a chlorinator chamber for the bacteria to be killed before being dispersed. For examples of common ATS systems used in the USA look up Delta Whitewater, Norweco, Singulair, Cajunaire, Clearstream, Nuwater, Multiflow, Enviroflow and Jet to name a few.
    If you're here looking for a replacement aerator then I would suggest going with a Hiblow 60-80. They are one of the most popular and approved aerators for ATS systems. If you don't know which if its a 60 or an 80 it should say it on the data plate. If you already have a Hi-blow 60-80 they can be very easily rebuilt for around $60-80 and 30 min- 1hr of your time it only takes a Phillip's head screwdriver and if I remember correctly a 7mm socket. If you plan to rebuild it first open the motor up and look inside before ordering the parts. If it is filled with red dust just chuck it in the garbage because the copper windings are going bad and its not worth your time.
    What I believe this guy is trying to say is you can't just convert a septic tank to an ATS and you absolutely shouldn't. The main reason why it won't work is because its a single chamber and all of the shit you're bubbling up will be swirled around and will starting floating down into your field lines or overland drain. All that sludge will then clog up said field line or drain and you'll be calling someone like me in a panic with shit backing up into your shower and a pissed off wife to get the bad news that you will need to fork over $1000's to replace your septic with an ATS.
    I've never seen whatever this guy is trying to sell in the USA but I can just look at that thing and tell you it looks like a servicing nightmare. Its all fun and games till you daughters friend flushes a tampon and it floats down into your "septic saver 5,000 black box" and clogs that bitch up. Because if any solids, tampons, pads, baby wipes, condoms, toy cars, tennis balls, batteries, Spiderman underwear and everything else I've seen plop out of my pumper truck when dumping it floats over and into the box how are you suppose to get access to them and suck them out with your layers of filter shit in the way? Because I don't care what anyone says you're gonna get some indigestible solids floating over into that tank. The tank itself looks just like an infiltrator IM-540 with multiple filters and a paddle wheel at the top. I can buy an IM-540 for 680bp so what is so special about what you're putting inside it to constitute the other 5320bp? Magic? Because I can guarantee that "nature" isn't pumping as much oxygen into that water as a Hiblow 80 does. If its just pure mineral water coming out go over and fill yourself up a glass and take a swig. I dare you.
    I can also tell you that the claim the coral filter will add 100 years to your septic life is pure BS... show me the data. You're shoving a $38 bristle filter into a 4" pipe don't sugar coat it.
    I watched another video where he said it would cost 750-1,000bp/yr in electricity to operate an electric ATS show me your data don't just draw it on a white board. Its simple math let say you have a Hiblow HP80 and it runs 24/7 at 71 watts in a year it will use 622.386kwh multiply that by the average cost of a kwh which is $.28/kwh multiply those two you get 174/yr USD convert that to pounds and you get 130.93bp/yr. You would have to run almost 6 aerators to get even close to that number. Where are you coming up with these numbers from.... did you just dream them up?
    I average it cost about 350-400 bpd/yr to operate an ATS. That with all the maintenance replacing a spray pump, aerator, 6 sprinkler heads/a set every 3 years and pumping it twice. That was at $300 a pump out, $365 hp80, 6x$30 sprinklers, $500 for a franklin electric little giant with a float, and on average $220/yr electricity. I got right at $3k/6yrs in USD.
    With an ATS preventative maintenance is key. The manufacture recommends having the entire system sucked out on average every 3 years, if you have some sort of forced ejection pump in the tank that is a perfect time to have it pulled to clean off the filter screen attached to it. Almost every aerator motor has a filter on it. They're usually on the top of the motor under a plastic cover with a Phillip's head screw holding them down. You can either replace the filter if its really old or crusty or sometimes just get away with back flushing them with water and flicking the water out of them. The manufacture recommends you do this every 6 months. Also make sure to keep the ants away from them heat and lack of airflow are usually what kills them. Also make sure the aerator motor is sitting level on the ground to avoid unnecessary wear on the motor. The life of both motors I've seen are between 6-8 years but that's just an average. I've seen some that are meticulously maintained lasting 10-14 years. Sprinkler heads usually last about 4 years they can be bought at most hardware stores and simply thread in. If you can replace a light bulb you can replace them.
    This is all just my opinion so take everything I am saying with a grain of salt. If it were me and I had to bring my waste system into compliance and my two choices are using this guy who only goes by his first name and has a product with virtually no public data supporting all his pie in the sky claims or an Aerobic Treatment System that has actual data sheets.... Welp. You know the rest.

  • @trailerparkcryptoking5213
    @trailerparkcryptoking5213 3 года назад +13

    Explain to me why when my aerator isn’t working, the discharge out my sprinklers is smelly? But with aerator, no smell!!!

  • @KrusemarkFamily
    @KrusemarkFamily 2 года назад +11

    I'd like to watch a video of you drinking the "pure mineral water" that comes out of your product that you are selling here (that costs quite a bit more than a $300 air pump).

  • @scot_irsh
    @scot_irsh 3 года назад +13

    Hoe much money did the manufacturers of the black box pay you to lie ?

  • @FrancisKoczur
    @FrancisKoczur 2 года назад +3

    The only good take away from this video is that some septic aerator pumps are certified while others aren't, and the UK doesn't allow the non-certified septic aerator pumps.

  • @Jack-Surreal_Panes
    @Jack-Surreal_Panes 3 месяца назад

    US here. I will say I got a Retro kit and ditched the shaft areator . It puts out a lot of CFB and the diffuser is utterly massive. Immediately after install, the water wasn't areated for 5 days. By the 3rd hour the smell was barely noticeable. Best part is the sprinkler doesn't smell. First time in 17 years . Having spent money on the shafts again and again. Especially if you are in an area that may flood a bit the Air system sits out of the tank so if the tank gets flooded or high water the diffuser still areators and doesn't pop the fuse. Plus way less electricity VS a 1 to 1.5 hp motor going 24/7. Yeah, some of those air pumps are not quite capable of moving the volume an Amazon and most don't come with a cover, diffuser, alarm if needed. Best go to a septic supply and use the brands and setups they recommend and have been tested to work.

  • @joebob7344
    @joebob7344 2 года назад +3

    The air bubbles add oxygen to the water and change the type of bacteria in the tank to a type of bacteria that uses oxygen to break down the solids. There is no more rotten odor in the tank and the effluent that makes its way to the drain field is full of this oxygenated bacteria that eats whatever sludge bio mat that makes it’s way into the lateral lines. Yes the bubbles stir the water but that is why you install an in-line filter between the tank and the field. My tank is a single tank gravity type system with an air pump and filter. I rinse the filter out every 2 months. The septic tank has been working great for 24 years. I highly recommend adding the air pump. Yes ,I do have to do a small amount of maintenance but is certainly beats having to spend $30,000.00 on a replacement system. I would recommend doing a lot a homework and study to anyone thinking about adding a pump. That even includes listening to videos made by individuals who may not have all the facts and are pushing their own agenda.

  • @thatsepticgirl
    @thatsepticgirl День назад

    Holy hell, I’ve never seen an “expert” that knows less about septic systems 🤦‍♀️

  • @chickadeeacres3864
    @chickadeeacres3864 3 года назад +3

    The fact that anaerobic systems work fine and oxygen pumps break down and cost extra, I'd be hard pressed to switch septic systems.

  • @colonialking7470
    @colonialking7470 3 года назад +12

    What are you selling then ,whats in the magic box PT barnum?I know all pitch guys sound smarter when they have an English accent. That was 6minutes of my life that i can't get back, your the bag of air.

  • @stephenwilliamson6118
    @stephenwilliamson6118 3 года назад +3

    Aerobic digestion is superior to anaerobic all day long. That’s how package treatment plants work

  • @niossap
    @niossap 3 года назад +3

    aerobic discharge rather than anaerobic. why are you not talking about that

  • @kimmomarlow4125
    @kimmomarlow4125 2 года назад +1

    Just ship the sludge to west Texas by the train loads. New York city sludge via new jersey was poured out in west Texas a while back. It made good fertilizer for the desert.

  • @joenovak9366
    @joenovak9366 2 года назад +4

    I think you are full of BS! Properly installed aeration systems are far superior to non aeration systems!

  • @ciancialarm
    @ciancialarm 3 года назад +9

    You said nothing

  • @sebastiantevel898
    @sebastiantevel898 2 года назад +2

    LoL...
    You forgot to say that you will need an extra tank with a pump ( which will costs at least 3K) to shove up the "mineral water" from you poop purifying box to the dispersing field. Or do you just let all that "San Pellegrino" to waste out few feet under ground...?

  • @jessethreet6529
    @jessethreet6529 2 года назад +2

    Also, every state has different rules and requirements. YOU NEED TO BE CAREFUL what information you put out! It could be incorrect.

  • @jojos6192
    @jojos6192 8 месяцев назад

    Mineral WATER? Right. Total bull!

    • @SepticTankTV
      @SepticTankTV  7 месяцев назад

      The eco system organic worm plant converts sewage into plant food:
      www.ecosystemsewagetreatmentplant.co.uk

  • @jfaithweiss
    @jfaithweiss Год назад +1

    Talk about a scam. Go look in the mirror. This won’t fly in the U.S. with aerobic septic systems

  • @davidk7262
    @davidk7262 3 года назад +3

    This is such rubbish. You literally show a picture of a Mantair conversion unit that is fully compliant with the latest regs. I should know, I have one, and all the paperwork and permits from building control and the environment agency to go with it. The black box you are selling on the other hand is highly dubious.

  • @robinmurray9801
    @robinmurray9801 2 года назад +2

    This guy seems to have an affiliation with this system..First off, should state where he is commenting from because he is wrong in saying aeration is illegal because it is not in many parts of the world..he obviously has an agenda with the way he keeps dwelling on the aeration systems not working (aquarium references)..they do work..
    "Crystal clear mineral water"..surely he is joking..septic water run through a magical black plastic box turns into "mineral water"..what a joke.

    • @rikityrik
      @rikityrik 2 года назад

      Used car salesman vibes! No offense to used car salesman. Lol

  • @MrMalintent
    @MrMalintent 3 года назад

    I'm just trying to figure out why my amber septic alarm is going off (low air).

    • @dieseldawg7132
      @dieseldawg7132 2 года назад

      Rebuild your pump pressure is to low

  • @Screamingpinesfarm
    @Screamingpinesfarm 3 года назад +1

    oh yea we forget cows sheep dogs cats etc can shit in the woods but people cant ????????

  • @kahunakool2155
    @kahunakool2155 3 года назад +2

    Oi! Dew ew gaw uh loicense fer tat poo bubbla?! What a freaking joke.

  • @kimmomarlow4125
    @kimmomarlow4125 2 года назад +2

    Air is good.

  • @jameshoward1215
    @jameshoward1215 Год назад +1

    You trying to get you to buy somebody else product

  • @michaelwiley5427
    @michaelwiley5427 2 года назад +1

    Rubbish. Aerobic vs anaerobic. Learn your trade.

  • @philbert85
    @philbert85 2 года назад +1

    lol this guy has never got his hads dirty. it doesn't turn your septic seepage into an aquarium, but you don't need aeration in seepage. aeration is only need in treatmant plants where effluent is irrigated. bad explanation and flawed conclusion.

  • @shawangunk
    @shawangunk 3 года назад +1

    Lots of talking no science behind your product. Sounds like you’re trolling.

  • @ttmax9109
    @ttmax9109 Год назад

    You draw a picture with clean water coming out and say mineral water! You a shyster. Go ahead and drink that mineral water.

  • @AJTarnas
    @AJTarnas 2 месяца назад

    pretty incredible false statements here! 😂 an aerator is usually installed in a second chamber of tank. it doesnt "blow the poo around and this and that" as you say. it provides oxygen for aerobic microbes to eat the waste. they can work much faster than anaerobic microbes in the first chamber / traditional septic. then usually a third chamber / tank is used to hold the effluent from the aerobic / aerated tank and dosed with a bit of chlorine. in a well-running system the effluent from the third tank is greywater fit for surface irrigation of grass.
    your £4k "ecosystem" box is the real scam here.
    aerating a single chamber anaerobic septic is not great. it doesnt always work well. but aerating the second chamber in a two-chamber tank, or installing a second aerated tank to accept effluent from the first old one, is a well-tested practice. if your local area doesnt allow it, get an engineer to school the local officials.

  • @papakrampus3062
    @papakrampus3062 2 месяца назад

    Very happy with the outcome of my aeration unit since its installation (by myself). Extends the time period between sludge layer pumping by 2 years (at a $250.00 USD savings). This guy's commentary is unqualified as I highly doubt that he himself has installed such a unit in used one at his residence. Plus, he speaks from his own paradigm and country of origin's regulations and permitting requirements and cannot speak of those of the remainder of the civilized world. In the US, the system works great. It's no great wonder that the posted link results are: Oops! That page can’t be found. A shyte salesman.