Some of the people in chat were talking shit on Chris Tolkien, none of them seemed inclined to actually look up what they were talking about. The guy hates the movies because he doesn't think that they are true to his father's vision, that they're basically just dumbed down commercialism... not because he's a "dudebro who hates nerd shit" or because he "hates anything that's not his". The guy practically dedicated his life to preserving his father's legacy...
I'm glad someone else saw this. It's bad enough when Frash and Becky misunderstand what is being said (I almost had an aneurysm when they thought people were saying Christopher had written the game or that it is somehow canon ) let alone bad information from the chat. [Btw, only work published during Tolkien's lifetime i.e. The Hobbit and LOTR is canon. Even the published Silmarillion isn't canon as Tolkien hadn't fully fleshed out the lore to his liking and was still changing ideas up to his death. It represents the most complete and coherent version that Christopher could compile at the time] Someone in the chat also thought Christopher was writing "new lore." That is the last thing he would do. Everything he has published has been as an editor of his father's unpublished and unfinished work. I am a Tolkien fan (and not just of the Middle-earth work) and also love the movies for the most part, but people should at least give criticism based on facts. Christopher Tolkien has done much more for Tolkien fans of every kind than the majority of people realize. He deserves the utmost respect, even when he misunderstands the motives and impact of people like Peter Jackson regarding his father's legacy. Many people have come to Tolkien's work, both fiction and academic, because of the films and the games than would have otherwise. It is sad that I knew before I even started to watch that Frash would somehow come to a horribly wrong conclusion about how this relates to Tolkien's work. It seems inevitable, especially with properties based on other work. It would be nice if they had one of the mods who knew what they were talking about be able to give them information directly rather than relying on interpreting the fragmented chat.
Except his father (you know, the guy who spent his whole life creating this world) had no problem with others using other mediums (movies and such) to tell the stories (which is why he signed off on the rights for movies to be made way back in the day). JRR Tolkien just never believed it could be done. Christopher seems to have forgotten this and has tried everything in his power to prevent the films and such to be made. But the only thing he really has any say over is the Silmarillion, and the Middle-earth stories that he himself wrote.
As someone who isn't a lore-nerd (nor do I honestly like LOTR) I have had a a lot of fun with this game so far. I'm not getting too much of the Assassin's Creed comparison that people are making. This is Batman.
i'm starting to worry now, this chronic inability to internalize tutorial prompts seems to be getting worse. i think frash frash should seek some treatment for this condition...
Funny how Troy Baker plays the main character and his wife was voiced by Laura Bailey. They were also Vincent and Catherine from ...Catherine and Serah and Snow from Final fantasy XIII + Male Voice 1 and Female Voice 1 for the player characters in saint's row, I guess they make a good pair. Which is good since they are both great actors.
I knew Laura played rise, but never knew that troy played Kanji in persona 4 xD. Not a couple per say, but had tons of interaction. Seems like they voice a ton of games together.
I'm liking this so far! The opening cut scenes were well executed. Clichés are used often since when they are well executed can be really enjoyable. The way the game taught the sneak mechanic was cute too.
Am I the only one who thinks that the main character's face is kind of...really round? Like, almost disturbingly so. Also, Wraith-buddy's voice totally reminds me of Albert Wesker.
Actually frasher, there are many dragons of middle earth. Most of them are to the north. The wood elf king even mentions it in desolation of smaug. There are cold drakes, fire drakes, and wyrms.
Frash was so busy chasing the spider he completely missed the prompt about wraith world. Now taking bets on how many hours he'll go without even realizing that that's a thing he can do.
Edit: Oh thank god it tells him again next episode. Can you imagine him going through the whole game and never even touching the L1 button because he ~thinks~ the game hasn't told him about it yet?
They should get a life, a Fantasy Life! I won't say more if Frash wants to put it in a Show and Trailer, but we who grabs ALL the coins in Mario will have somthing to look forward to.
***** Well, Frash/Becky/WhoeverthehellcommentshereasFFSTV, the movies are kinda a pain and exaggerate certain aspects. Take the Hobbit Trilogy for example. I have to wait for each movie, then I can watch them in succession. However, I can just pick up the book and start reading, and feel immesely overwhelmed with the awesomeness that is The Hobbit.
have to say I am loving Turbo Buddy, but I feel that you may do well do upgrade him or have him grow up to 16 bit. I honestly can't tell what the hell he is suppose to be in this episode despite being told.
To answer the question about rights and who owns what. Christopher Tolkien owns the right to all Middle Earth material. My guess is the games have the same deal the movies have, you can mention anything that is written anywhere in the Lord of the Rings trilogy and in the Hobbit, but you're not allowed to mention stuff from other material, if it hasn't been reference in Lord of the Rings or the Hobbit.
And I'll of course have to fill in that Christopher Tolkien does not have any influence over movier or games, and doesn't like any of that. He actually hated the movies. That's why he is so pricky with not allowing any other material than the Ring trilogy and the Hobbit be used.
Jonathan Luoto Also: the Tokien estate actually sued Middle-earth Enterprises, Warner Brothers and New Line Cinema for copyright infringement because they had give licenses for Middle Earth based video games, which according to the Tolkien Estate isn't covered by the license these companies were granted.
***** Which will no doubt cause alot of trouble with the Tolkien Estate. The again the devs can always say Middle-earth Enterprises never told them they couldn't use that material and shift the blame to a Company the Tolkien Estate already dislikes greatly.
dont have a powerful enough pc to run this , and looking at exclusives for both xbox and ps4 im more in favor of getting a ps4. even though this isnt an exclusive id rather play a game on my console of choice
Sauron is basically an allegory for the devil, and Gandalf and the other wizards are basically Holy Spirits or like angels or whatever, basically, Tolkien was a devout Catholic so it was all God this, devil that, who cares, let's just enjoy the fantasy.
Ah but it is well executed I think. And the bad guys also killed him AND he is banned from death (which seems to be his main motivation more so than revenge).
His Dudeness "One of the purest revenge missions" huh? Well I suppose it is a thing though the criteria for that would be something to think about. ^-^
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Some of the people in chat were talking shit on Chris Tolkien, none of them seemed inclined to actually look up what they were talking about. The guy hates the movies because he doesn't think that they are true to his father's vision, that they're basically just dumbed down commercialism... not because he's a "dudebro who hates nerd shit" or because he "hates anything that's not his". The guy practically dedicated his life to preserving his father's legacy...
I'm glad someone else saw this. It's bad enough when Frash and Becky misunderstand what is being said (I almost had an aneurysm when they thought people were saying Christopher had written the game or that it is somehow canon ) let alone bad information from the chat. [Btw, only work published during Tolkien's lifetime i.e. The Hobbit and LOTR is canon. Even the published Silmarillion isn't canon as Tolkien hadn't fully fleshed out the lore to his liking and was still changing ideas up to his death. It represents the most complete and coherent version that Christopher could compile at the time]
Someone in the chat also thought Christopher was writing "new lore." That is the last thing he would do. Everything he has published has been as an editor of his father's unpublished and unfinished work. I am a Tolkien fan (and not just of the Middle-earth work) and also love the movies for the most part, but people should at least give criticism based on facts. Christopher Tolkien has done much more for Tolkien fans of every kind than the majority of people realize. He deserves the utmost respect, even when he misunderstands the motives and impact of people like Peter Jackson regarding his father's legacy. Many people have come to Tolkien's work, both fiction and academic, because of the films and the games than would have otherwise.
It is sad that I knew before I even started to watch that Frash would somehow come to a horribly wrong conclusion about how this relates to Tolkien's work. It seems inevitable, especially with properties based on other work. It would be nice if they had one of the mods who knew what they were talking about be able to give them information directly rather than relying on interpreting the fragmented chat.
Except his father (you know, the guy who spent his whole life creating this world) had no problem with others using other mediums (movies and such) to tell the stories (which is why he signed off on the rights for movies to be made way back in the day). JRR Tolkien just never believed it could be done. Christopher seems to have forgotten this and has tried everything in his power to prevent the films and such to be made. But the only thing he really has any say over is the Silmarillion, and the Middle-earth stories that he himself wrote.
As someone who isn't a lore-nerd (nor do I honestly like LOTR) I have had a a lot of fun with this game so far.
I'm not getting too much of the Assassin's Creed comparison that people are making. This is Batman.
Agree I think the assassins creed comparison is coming from the parkour I think
i'm starting to worry now, this chronic inability to internalize tutorial prompts seems to be getting worse. i think frash frash should seek some treatment for this condition...
Funny how Troy Baker plays the main character and his wife was voiced by Laura Bailey. They were also Vincent and Catherine from ...Catherine and Serah and Snow from Final fantasy XIII + Male Voice 1 and Female Voice 1 for the player characters in saint's row, I guess they make a good pair. Which is good since they are both great actors.
They were also Delsin and Fetch from Infamous Second Son!
I knew Laura played rise, but never knew that troy played Kanji in persona 4 xD. Not a couple per say, but had tons of interaction. Seems like they voice a ton of games together.
I'm liking this so far! The opening cut scenes were well executed. Clichés are used often since when they are well executed can be really enjoyable. The way the game taught the sneak mechanic was cute too.
Am I the only one who thinks that the main character's face is kind of...really round? Like, almost disturbingly so.
Also, Wraith-buddy's voice totally reminds me of Albert Wesker.
this is so awesome holy shit
Actually frasher, there are many dragons of middle earth. Most of them are to the north. The wood elf king even mentions it in desolation of smaug. There are cold drakes, fire drakes, and wyrms.
22:32 Your Wraith spirit sounds like the turian councilor from mass effect.
Frash was so busy chasing the spider he completely missed the prompt about wraith world. Now taking bets on how many hours he'll go without even realizing that that's a thing he can do.
Edit: Oh thank god it tells him again next episode. Can you imagine him going through the whole game and never even touching the L1 button because he ~thinks~ the game hasn't told him about it yet?
Can't wait to see how your LP differs from others, you guys are great.
They should get a life, a Fantasy Life! I won't say more if Frash wants to put it in a Show and Trailer, but we who grabs ALL the coins in Mario will have somthing to look forward to.
Well, well, well... If you want a piece of me, you need to put a ring on me.
Sherlock Holmes crimes and punishments has been released... play it!
Oh my god, Smaugky knows nothing! So cute!
There were about 50 dragons originally
Christopher Tolkien apparently also hates all the movies, too.
luke timothy Christopher Tolkien is an ornery old bastard.
***** Well, Frash/Becky/WhoeverthehellcommentshereasFFSTV, the movies are kinda a pain and exaggerate certain aspects. Take the Hobbit Trilogy for example. I have to wait for each movie, then I can watch them in succession. However, I can just pick up the book and start reading, and feel immesely overwhelmed with the awesomeness that is The Hobbit.
Jack Lobrano JRR Tolkien is dead. His son, Christopher Tolkien, is not.
OH, thank you. :)
Dragons are cool
You guess should do Slender the arrival the new xbox 360 version that would be so cool
They already did, you can find it in their playlists.
Nice
Damn cgi replacing practical effects... jk, I actually love the digital Turbo Buddy!
Frash really has trouble reading doesn't he? lol
This game is amazing
***** Frash Frash, Chariot is free on Xbox One right now =3
I guess we can now call this type of game Ubisoft-like.
BAD ASS intro!!!!!!
On their anniversary!
I wonder if people with Cockney accents are offended that orcs were given their accent. Where's the orc with the RP accent? Or Liverpool? Or Cardiff?
These are Uruks, not orcs.
Junoh Productions Either way, the question remains.
probably due to 40k orks having that accent a lot of people just come to expect it these days
have to say I am loving Turbo Buddy, but I feel that you may do well do upgrade him or have him grow up to 16 bit. I honestly can't tell what the hell he is suppose to be in this episode despite being told.
To answer the question about rights and who owns what. Christopher Tolkien owns the right to all Middle Earth material. My guess is the games have the same deal the movies have, you can mention anything that is written anywhere in the Lord of the Rings trilogy and in the Hobbit, but you're not allowed to mention stuff from other material, if it hasn't been reference in Lord of the Rings or the Hobbit.
And I'll of course have to fill in that Christopher Tolkien does not have any influence over movier or games, and doesn't like any of that. He actually hated the movies. That's why he is so pricky with not allowing any other material than the Ring trilogy and the Hobbit be used.
Jonathan Luoto Also: the Tokien estate actually sued Middle-earth Enterprises, Warner Brothers and New Line Cinema for copyright infringement because they had give licenses for Middle Earth based video games, which according to the Tolkien Estate isn't covered by the license these companies were granted.
***** Which will no doubt cause alot of trouble with the Tolkien Estate. The again the devs can always say Middle-earth Enterprises never told them they couldn't use that material and shift the blame to a Company the Tolkien Estate already dislikes greatly.
first game that made me want a ps4
A game also available on PC and XBox encourage you to buy a ps4 when exclusive games don't?
dont have a powerful enough pc to run this , and looking at exclusives for both xbox and ps4 im more in favor of getting a ps4. even though this isnt an exclusive id rather play a game on my console of choice
How y'all doin(:
Sauron is basically an allegory for the devil, and Gandalf and the other wizards are basically Holy Spirits or like angels or whatever, basically, Tolkien was a devout Catholic so it was all God this, devil that, who cares, let's just enjoy the fantasy.
This is some cliche lame motivation. Bad guys kill a dude's wife and child so he goes out to get revenge from the looks of it
Ah but it is well executed I think. And the bad guys also killed him AND he is banned from death (which seems to be his main motivation more so than revenge).
All about execution my friend and this game did it right
His Dudeness "One of the purest revenge missions" huh? Well I suppose it is a thing though the criteria for that would be something to think about. ^-^
First!! By the way, Keep up the Good work. :)
Sounds like tolkins son is a dick, finally got round to playing this, and as a fan of LotR(the movies not the books because fuck books) I approve.