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Lt. Ray McCormack- True Values of a Fireman Part 2
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- Опубликовано: 15 апр 2011
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As a probationary firefighter, I feel extremely blessed to have come across this video at the very beginning of my career. What awesome words of wisdom, and encouragement! I am very grateful that men like Lt. McCormack and many countless others continue to bestow knowledge and insight to new up and comers like me! Please know that your efforts are not in vain and that the great traditions of this trade will never be lost thanks to leaders like you! ....Thankful Probie, San Francisco Fire Department
I hope you're doing well Jovan.
Hope you’re doing well brother
I am a Capt with 19 years in the fire service, just North of the Bronx. I came across this video by accident. I am so happy I did. This man is so spot on! We need to get in there quick, protect the stairs, control doors, and put the fire out. When the fire goes out everyone is safe. Of course we need to operate safely, but this is an inherently dangerous job. Risk a little to save a little, risk a lot to save a lot. I will have my crews watch this for training when I work. We will train hard and do our job.
Thank you Ray.
This is amazing! He is so on point! Putting the fire out makes everything safer. Proper and consistent training leads to safety. Often we have to take risks that others won't or can't.
I retired paid Fire Officer for 28 yrs , and he is right on about being to safe, our job is like a solider, we take the job that you must risk your life,, period.
We share the same thoughts and feelings brother. I have never seen anyone so easily articulate them however. I have for so long felt awash in a sea of buzz words and safety. Thank you for allowing me to feel as a fireman again. 22 years on the job.FTM PTB
Amazing speech! In the specific events of chaos we are people’s last hope, believe in your training, stay safe, and be confident. No one else is coming... it’s up to us!
I like his point that sometimes it is needed to put your life aside to save someone else. My years are not as valuable as those of a child. Safety has put us before our job.. Sometimes risks are necessary. It's what we do.. and (most) of us knew the consequence of our actions before becoming firefighters. I would give my life to save another and not question the circumstances. That is why we are the people we are. PS I love fighting fire....
A very powerful message we spend so much time learning to save ourselves or save our own. We forgot entirely about learning how not to get ourselves in trouble in the first place. The people we serve are number one! Such a true and powerful message.
Amazing speech, I would love to work with LT Ray
Now that I have a RUclips account, I want to say think you for this
video. I was researching firefighting in order to do the best service I
could to your Brotherhood in the novel, "Fire Alive!"
Dirty, Difficult, Demanding, Dangerous. That's the way the dragon always
is. Thank you.
As a pre-probation fire fighter I feel so inspired now this man is a real role model more people should be like him.
According to your own description you are trying to become a Probie. I on the other hand am at the other end of that career path. I realize that the comment is a year old, so what I am going to say may already have been said. When you manage to make it through the application process and vetting then get through the academy as a cadet then you will become a probie/probationary firefighter. Under no circumstances should you adopt an attitude of I know all because the reality is you have only received a small modicum of training enough to help you get through the rookie portion of your career.
Lol y’all str8 buggin
The leadership component of his address is what I find the most compelling.
it all starts with leadership. if you ever get the chance to see Chief Rick Lasky and Chief John Salka, grab it.
Thank you Lt. For your service god bless & God bless the F.D.N.Y
09:40.. this was in 2009....Pretty sure this is the gist of the new UL studies on legacy and contemporary construction, and the governors island study in 2012. ..... Put out the fire.
It's only controversial if you don't get the message. It's clear that you and your brother firefighters have gotten the message. It doesn't mean we need to be reckless...it means we need to remember our jobs. Our job is to save lives, put out fire, and, if possible, protect property. Our job is a dangerous job...and when it comes time to pay the piper...we, as firefighters, ALL need to pony up.
This man is a LEADER
Fantastic. Thanks
You are correct the push for safety is ruining the fire service telling members that they can’t enter until a safety officer arrives and says that it’s not safe too enter what a load of crap we no that it’s not sag but that’s our job are you not going in while a mother is outside screaming that her child is upstairs
Should be safe
The most controversial speech I've seen at FDIC that caused the biggest up roar and which is why we make our new firefighters watch the video and do a report on it
Standing Ovation!
No one said it better, thank you Lieutenant. “KFIYL”
Amen
3:30 is gold
had a demonstration at my department last night by TFT (task force tips) and the guy giving it, whose never been a firefighter, tells everyone fog venting canNOT be done with a smooth bore nozzle...where does he get the balls? Iv done it..im sure many of u have too. this goes with what LT Ray says at the 10:38 mark. Where is the credibility?
Nice!!!
The safest firefighter isn't the one who cries safety and hides from the fire....The safest firefighter is the one who knows his job better then he knows himself. Great speech.
As for copyright147....this douche is a roofer and believes being one is more dangerous then firefighting....he is a child and cannot be argued with. It is a waste of time trying to talk sense into an idiots head. Be safe.
I dont care what. Your rank stop beinng pc its not fire service its fire dept
I wonder how he feels about SLICERS lol
Stop calling fire dept fire service
Something I've always been very curious about.
I certainly do not mean to sound disrespectful in anyway...
but this is something that I wanted to clear the air about once and for all.
I've notice that a number of firefighters (though certainly not necessarily all of them)
have parents and/ or other family members in the fire departments they work for.
(For example, Lt. McCormack stated that both his father
as well as his maternal uncle were both FFs with the NYFD).
Also...
FDs in general (or at least some, anyway) have long been considered "good ol' boy clubs"
and.. if I'm not mistaken.. I think I may have even read somewhere once that FD's
where considered or at least thought to be (again, at least by some) to be
the "last bastion of white men"... or... something to that effect.
I suppose to a certain extant...
I think I can see why this "myth" started and has perpetrated:
The very first FFs / FDs consisted of (not necessarily all... but mainly) Irish and Italian immigrants
who were discriminated against and given the hardest, dirtiest and most dangerous jobs
that nobody else wanted... FFing especially being among them.
And it didn't take long for fire stations to become not just stations but also "social clubs"
(and even safe havens & refuges) of sorts for these various ethnic groups who were marginalized to these jobs...
and these jobs then passed from father to son... uncle to nephew... friend to friend... ect.
That being said... my question is this:
Are potential candidates who are from certain ethnic groups (say, the Italians and... especially!!... the Irish)
and/or whose father, uncles or other family members were in the fire department have more of a
"leg up" / advantage to those who do not have such associations / connections??
I mean, when you think about it....
how could those who DO have such associations / connections NOT have the advantage??:
I mean, afterall...
not only does the Fire Chief and other higher-ups within the FD almost certainly know
the candidate (and his family) in question is... that candidate has (almost certainly)
been groomed their entire life for that position as well as what exactly to do and not do
during their entire hiring/ screening process.
Not to sound like a wiseguy...
but Lt. McCormack JUST SO HAPPENS to fit that age-old,
stereo-typical, "Old-shool", traditional, NYFD Irish Firefighter criteria to a T:
1) His is Irish (with an Irish surname, "McCormack"... gee?? you don't say??)
2) Both his father and his uncle were both FF in the same city / FD.
Now, don't get me wrong...
I am more than sure Lt. Ray McCormack made his bones and without a doubt earned
every single stripe he was issued and every position that he was assigned or appointed to...
but what I'm talking about is how he got his "foot in the door" in the first place.
Did his application make it to the top of the heap just a little bit quicker & faster
then the others in the stack based on his traditional Irish NYFD "pedigree"??
Just something I was curious about.
First of all..
if anyone is being brave or tough
on a keyboard... it's you not me.
When I stated that I wasn't trying to be disrespectful...
it was because I really wasn't being disrespectful...
but... I was asking a question I did know well ahead of time that someone (like yourself)
more than likely would get their butt hurt and take offense at my question or otherwise
take it more seriously than what it was intended.
Now although the topic of my question was not intended to offend (believe it or not)...
I knew that I just might ruffle some feathers because I "went there"
about that topic of the "good ol' club" culture or mentality
that may or may not exist in any given FD at random....
...not unlike the "blue wall of silence" culture / mentality
that exists within certain (though not all) PD's.
Now, if my question about the so-called "good ol' boy club"
offends you (and it certainly sounds like it did)...
TOUGH SHIT!! That's your problem not mine.
That was the whole point behind my sensitive question....
to call people like you who hide behind your "good ol' boy club"
and who were handed your job... not because you "earned it"...
but because... well... you (and I) know why. ;)
Makes me wonder what really goes on
behind the scenes that bothers you so much.
But I don't really care what you think...
and I sure as hell do not apologize for my question.
I was asking a question about the so-called "good ol' boy club"
that may... or may not exist... within a FD.
Not necessarily the NYFD... but any FD for that matter.
Furthermore...
my question had absolutely nothing to do with females or minorities...
if the person or candidate had proven they can do the job (Male or Female)...
I believe they SHOULD do the job... because that is what America is all about....
so don't put words in my mouth as if I said something about those people because I did not.
As far as the NYFD Lt on the video is concerned...
I'm more than sure he has earned what ever he has been given...
and... I did state that in my first question.
More to the point...
I also was very impressed with the Lt's blatant clarification
that the profession of FFing is NOT ABOUT the hired/ employed FFer...
but rather...
it is about the people and public they serve... and it appears that was a trend
that he himself has seen and does not like or approve of...
and made sure to address that... and hats off to him for doing so...
....because it does looks like (according to the Lt)...
there are a number of FFers who needed to have a reality check
about WHO THEY ARE THERE FOR AND WHY....
and it ISN'T about them... in case you were wondering.
I also liked what the Lt. said:
"What do you bring to the table??
I know what your resume says,
but what's missing from it is probably much more telling".
...so hats off to Lt. Ray McCormack for having the guts
to say what NEEDED to be said when no one else
had the balls to do so.
And yes...
I will always be the first to admit that FFs do an extremely dangerous job...
and I know this because I (very recently) witnessed a house fire and I saw
first-hand how quickly it got out of control and dangerous it gets...
...so where you got this idea that I was somehow down playing what FF do..
well, you don't know what the **** your talking about...
and you need to do a much better job of
reading my post before you comment.
Again, to clear the air and break it down to you Barney level...
my question was not about the PROFESSION of firefighting, per se...
but rather...
the "good ol' boy" subculture / mentality
that may (or may not) exist there.
Since I am not a FF (well, not yet anyway)...
I cannot speak for certain on the matter...
hence my reason for posting the question to / for
others who may know more about it then I do.
VredesStall, I am aware this question is over a year old, however it seems that your inquiry may have generated more negative response than a constructive answer so If I may, I would like to help you with this question. First let me start by applauding your knowledge of our firefighting history. You are absolutely right, the original firemen were predominantly Irish and Italian. Italian due to Tammany Hall, and the Irish due to large scale discrimination of immigrants, and more specifically Catholics who were viewed by many (most specifically the KKK) as sub human. In fact the Irish were even a part of the slave trade and indentured servitude (they were even considered to be less valuable property than african american slaves). Thank you for educating yourself on this, as this is often an overlooked portion of American history. To answer your question, there certainly was a time when there was an advantage given to firefighters with family and friends on the job, in fact there are still some examples of that today. For example if you are the son/daughter of a firefighter killed in the line of duty while operating at the world trade center on 9/11, then you are guaranteed an academy appointment with the FDNY. However on the large scale almost all fire departments nation wide have delegated the hiring process for the fire service to the civil service commission. This is an independent municipal entity that exists outside of the fire department. Furthermore, most departments give their candidates/applicants a randomly assigned identification number rather than a name on their eligible registry and application. This is to ensure total anonymity during the hiring process and to prevent any favoritism. To take this one step further many departments even have nepotism rules that prevent family from working in the same company, battalion, and even department. So the short answer would be no, having family and friends in the fire service does not have an impact on ones ability to gain employment with the same department. When you see that this profession is still largely saturated with family members, it is less about preferential treatment, and more about the desire to maintain a family tradition across numerous generations. For example I am a firefighter, as well as my father and my brother. However we all work for different fire departments, and I can definitively say my father's position had no impact on my ability to get hired. Thanks for your question, I hope that this helps clarify. Finally, while the fire service represents a long and great history of deep rooted tradition, it would be unfair in this day an age to characterize the profession as racist, discriminatory, or "a good ol' boy's club". That perception certainly exists, and not without merit, but today the fire service takes great pride in representing the communities it serves across all defining borders including race, religion, ethnicity, and sexual orientation. I hope this helps to clarify your question. Please feel free to follow up with any other questions. To offer some credentials I works as a firemen for one of the largest departments in the country, and am assigned to one of the busiest pumper companies in the nation.
Outstanding and thank you very much, Mr. Toomey. That was a great answer.
Also, my original question did not mean
to take away from the credibility of Lt. Ray McCormack.
The man obviously knows his sh** and is not only
extremely smart & very wise but obviously very down to earth.
Lt. McCormack is a great public speaker.
That was one of the best speeches I've ever heard.
And while it's clear he loves his profession as well as his fellow FF's...
you can tell he holds them to a very high standard and would not hesitate
to remind them of who them work for and serve: The Public.
+Sæwelō
"Race-baiting"?? Since when is the "good ol' boy club" Race-baiting??
I reckon the "blue wall of silence" for the police is Race-baiting, too, right??
+Sæwelō
Lol... cool your jets, Special-Needs. I'm white, too.
Fkn zone case!!
you are a bunch of firefighting drama queens mate ,so do not lecture others on their morals ,firefighting is one of the safest jobs anyhow
Hahaha, someone's Salty.
sure.... safe job