I believe we are gaining in biblical authority and gathering together again because of the calm gentle wisdom of men like Hugh Ross. More people in my circle are willing to look at the Bible now because of physics. I appreciate Ken Ham, but his approach isn’t what college educated adults are willing to subscribe to....the goal is to save....so we need to trust that God brings each of his lost sheep ( I was one) back however they can hear him. Good Bless!
Gods not calm and gentle towards men , read the Old Testament! ,he told us not to trust men over and over again, The Bible is written in parables, only a few are revealed, the rest are revealed to his servants who believe his words and do them , reading the Bible like a workman, those who don’t believe Gods words and do them are not believers, God calls them liars? Don’t Ye know the father and son are one? 1 Timothy 6:3 “If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;” 2 John 1:9 “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.” Psalms 37:3 “Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.” Mark 7:7 “Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” 1 John 2:4 “He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” Read his words and hope that he comes to you, so You needeth not any man teach you? 1 John 2:27 “But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” Go to Creation Research channel and see strata form in minutes and much more about Creation and the flood, but Go to the Bible for knowledge of the Lord, same as King James1 told his sons In the basilica doron!
Psalms 66:5 “Come and see the works of God: he is terrible in his doing toward the children of men.” Isaiah 45:7 “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” Philippians 2:12 “Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” Romans 3:4 “God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.” 1 Corinthians 14:37 “If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.” Romans 10:17 “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” Colossians 2:22 “Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?” James 2:19 “Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.”
Don’t Ye know the Lord is the second Adam, alone with nowhere to lay his head? Luke 9:58 “And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.” Imagine what it’s like to be eternal? BELIEVE GOD! When all his children do his commandments, and believe his word, AT LONG LAST , THE LORD WILL NOT BE ALONE , HE WILL HAVE A BIG FAMILY AND WILL BE THEIR GOD, BUT DONT BE ONE WHOM GOD HAS TO JUDGE AND BE TERRIBLE TO!!! Fear him!
@@yamabushiwarrior996 But Ken hams position is biblical. Scripture seems to suggest that all living things were herbivores before the flood, so that would include T-rex, so if he's ridiculous for allegedly believing that, then you're indirectly saying the bible is ridiculous. Take a look; *Genesis 1:30;* *And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.*
With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day” (2 Peter 3:8). Meaning Gods timetable is different than ours, therefore the word yom in Hebrew has 4 meanings for the word day. In Genesis He uses word the day interchangeably, in one area He is referring to part of the day and in another the whole day.
Hugh always says that the Bible says that the laws of physics don't change. Not true. The word "physics" isn't in the Bible. Hugh is giving an interpretation of Scripture that it's referring to physics.
So explain to me than ..why the need for the tree of life prior to the fall ......and after the fall........if they were suppose to live forever prior to sin ..why the need for that tree regardless
@@carlosalicea6969don’t Ye know the Bible is written in parables, Mark 4:34 “But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.” Don’t Ye know God is a Spirit? John 4:23 “But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.” Do you Ye know what manifest means? John 14:22 “Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?” Do you understand Peter ain’t the rock ,God/ Jesus is, the rock the got smited giving living water to the world? Exodus 17:6 “Behold, I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink. And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel.” Don’t Ye know that HOREB is where the mountain of God was? The mountain that’s going to fill the whole earth? Not Peter!! Daniel 2:35 “Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.” Those who read and trust his words and do them are his servants not deceivers who say God made a rock male and female at the beginning that came to life from nothing!! Go to Creation Research channel, see strata formed in minutes! Believe God , like Abraham did! 2 Timothy 2:15 “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” Genesis 1:1 “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” Exodus 20:11 “For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.” Mark 10:6 “But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.” Matthew 19:4 “And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,” Genesis 2:7 “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” 1 Corinthians 15:39 “All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.”
The guy on the far right that uses his hands alot is right about God creating in six days as a plan for His people and their rest and worship on the Sabbath, regardless of how long apart the Creation days are. But I believe Dr Ross about the laws of nature because if All creatures lived six thousand years ago and no death before Adam and Eve sinned then that means Megaladon Shark was a vegaterian and poisonous creatures were not using their venom that God gave them. We must keep an open mind and pray for the Holy Spirit to guide us. God bless
The word create is only used three times in the Genesis account,day 1 All physical mater . Day 5 living creatures. Day 6 Man. The sun was created on day 1 , the atmosphere was too thick for light to reach the surface . That’s why the text is specific to say darkness was on the SURFACE of the deep . Even science backs up that the earths atmosphere was so thick in its beginning stages that light couldn’t penetrate to the surface. Day 2 notice God transforming the atmosphere. Day 3 now there is vegetation growing adding oxygen thin out the atmosphere. Day 4 the sun moon and stars now become distinct objects, getting ready for Gods creatures who need visibility of the lights in heaven to regulate there biological clocks.
@@yamabushiwarrior996 Ken is a great servant of God we all know where he is going when he dies. While you're busy berating his opinion.. ask yourself where you're headed.. are you smarter than ken? Honestly ? If so, so what? What matters to God ?
@@jrrr2313 Smartness and correctedness don't get you to heaven, BRO! No one "berated his opinion" that is lying. They brought to light his arrogance and his inability to be gracious towards those who he disagrees with. He may be right but his attitude is WRONG!
@@joekeller887yeah because Jesus was so gracious when flipping tables and whipping false church leaders, and confronting Pharisees by calling them children of the devil. Get over yourself.
@@joekeller887it never was and never will be about who Ken disagrees with, but with what thr BIBLE disagrees with. If youre gullible enough to believe Hugh then you need to deepen your relationshop with christ.
I am with Ken Ham on the Young Earth but Hugh Ross gives a really good perspective on how the universe is specifically suited for life on earth as we know it! It seems to me that the two of these are good friends and there is a great deal of mutual respect. I would love to see these two in a formal debate format. The TBN host comes across as a blithering idiot and his suit doesn't even fit right so he looks like a clown!
It's funny Michael Horton is an old earther and is band from TBN becaus of his book The Agony of Deceit: What Some TV Preachers Are Really Teaching,and the fact he is always decounceing TBN. Dr Walter Martin also old earth and was band from TBN also they called curses down on him. I all ways thought that these men held to inerrancy of scripture. Thanks Ken for setting me straight you are a beacon Godly wisdom. You will know them by their furits.
I don’t know why anyone would go with Ken Ham. He wins arguments by shouting people down. He never really listens or understands the other person’s position. We do not have to unhinge our minds to be a Christian. We don’t have to ignore the things that can be easily and clearly observed in nature. The Bible and nature/science do not disagree!
I cannot listen to a person that does not allow another person to finish their point, that tells me that person has closed his mind and leaves no room for error. His interpretation of the Bible is just his interpretation and through open communication we can commune thoughts and ideas that might make more or less sense. This guy Ken is rude and condescending, I guess he missed the part in the Bible where God does not like scoffers. I love the idea that God put in a place and time where science proves what was written thousands of years ago. To me it’s a win win.
Dr. Bloom is the smartest man in the room, and is thoughtful and nuanced. He was one of my professors. I wish we had heard more from him. Ken Ham did the most talking, more than his fair share, and was the least convincing in some respects. Having said all that, from my studies, I agree with Ham's position--both biblical and scientific. I just don't like his approach. But the evidence for a recent global, worldwide flood is tremendous. Secular geology can tell us very little about how we got the landscape we see today. And fossilization takes very special conditions. Do some reading on that. I would recommend Michael Oord's books--very thoughtful and based on extensive research. And do some reading on genetics--John Sanford and Douglas Axe. I think their work is well founded on evidence and is a slam dunk for young earth creationism.
‘Secular geology’🤣 ‘Slam dunk’🤣🤣🤣. I realise that this is a shallow reaction but, good lord, too much to say for a YT post. Craig, you recommend a lot of reading. I recommend you take your own advice and genuinely and with humility read some real science. Hard for a pre-suppositionist to do, but if you try you can step outside of your paradigm and read some science to learn, not just to ‘slam dunk’.
For me the most important thing is in the beginning God created that seems to be the sweet agreement between old Earth creationist and younger. I do not believe the Bible teaches a local flood I believe Ken Ham is correct on a global flood since the geological evidence points to that and the New Testament writings of the Apostle Peter. I enjoyed this great debate between the two brother's in Christ. I think both guys know how to present their cases and I think they both have the same agenda and that is to share the love of Jesus with a broken world that has the need for the truth and that is that Jesus died for our sins and was raised for our justification. Grace to all in Christ.
There are 8 million scientists in the world currently. These are people who practice their profession in all the different aspects of science - physics, biology, zoology etc. Virtually 99% of them have come to the conclusion based on EVIDENCE that the Earth is 4.56 billion years old. The debate is over !
Once upon a time Scientists also came to the conclusion that the universe was eternal and that spontaneous generation was true, but all this was eventually debunked, took 2000years for spontaneous generation to go down, because the evidence was compelling, but germ theory nailed it to the coffin. In science the debate is never truly over, until there is no shred of doubt in everyone's minds concerning a particular theory. The evidence must be truly undeniable.
@@yamabushiwarrior996He's going to heaven is what he's doing while you're concerned if he is gentleman or not. Was Jesus a gentleman when he flipped over the tables? To them no.. to God.. yes.. that's all that matters
Dr. Ross's position is that God gave two books, the Bible and the Book of Nature. First of all where in the Bible does God speak of the Book of Nature? Second if the two disagree which do we choose? For example the Bible gives the date of the creation of Adam as being ~ 4,000 BC. (The date can be calculated from the genealogies, and events. I did it. There are no gaps.) Dr. Ross comes up with the date for Adam being 50,000 to 90,000 years ago based on "the Book of Nature". Also, who interprets the Book of Nature? Is it Dr. Ross and fellow scientists? They don't agree among themselves. A typical sign of a Sect is that they have additional "sources" beside the Bible. They consider their Book (Pearl of Great Price, Book of Mormon, Koran, etc.) as being superior to the Bible. This position is very dangerous.
@@jamiemcvay130 Hi Jamie. Please read my comment carefully. I didn't say that the Earth was created ~ 4,000 years ago. I said that Adam was created ~ 4,000 tears ago. The Earth, the Universe were created much earlier. The genealogy of Adam starts with the creation of Adam not the creation of Earth. Big difference! By the way, I believe that both Ken Ham and Dr Ross are wrong in their interpretation of Genesis 1. The "Six Days" are neither 24 hrs long or millions of years long. The six days are a prophecy of the next six thousand years history of men. You can see the covenant of God with Adam, Noah, Abraham, and David, and the Church at the start of each thousand year history. The seventh thousand year, the "day of rest", is the millennial reign of Christ with no ending. The phrase, "and the evening and the morning was the seventh day" is missing for a reason. Think about it.
Ken Ham "adam" just means man in Hebrew. It is used many times to refer to mankind. It probably wasn't his real name because it doesn't have the character added to it to be a name. The word's root means ground so man came from organic matter which we evolved from.
I wish old earth Creationists would take a harder stance against young earthers. The young earth model is an embarrassing 20th century creation that is setting evangelism backwards.
Actually, you need to read young earth literature. Ken Ham is not the best advocate for that position from a scientific point of view. There is a lot of evidence for a global flood, and genetic entropy is almost slam dunk evidence for a young earth.
Hugh Ross has to twist and pull scripture to unnatural limits. Like he has to rescue Genesis with outside ideas. I'd encourage you to read "Refuting Compromise" by Dr. Jonathan Sarfati. Which is a direct refutation of Ross's scientific and theological conclusions.
Ken Ham is an ignorant, illiterate fool who couldn't care less about the ORIGINAL LANGUAGE AND CONTEXT, to which Hugh keeps referring AND has actually studied at length. Ken Ham is a propagandist and a liar who rejects anything other than the drivel which was written and arranged to the liking of a British King! Insane!
+BlogTalkUSA LIVE What are you talking about, British king? Hugh Ross is a weirdo and what he says makes no sense in light of the Bible. Are you saved? (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Acts 16:30-31, Eph. Rom. 3:20-27 KJV)
I was referring to the fact that Ken Ham claims the "King James Bible is the perfect, inerrant word of god", which could ONLY be true in the shallow, simple mind of someone who is either willingly ignorant OR knowingly ignorant about a LONG list of VERY BASIC historical facts which make the idea of ANYONE claiming ANY English version of "the bible" is "inerrant" or "the literal word of god" or even CLOSE to being accurately translated OR interpreted as an accurate representation of ANYTHING that was originally written (let alone the accurate literal "WORD OF GOD!") by ANY ONE of the 35,000+ sects of American "Christianity" not just laughable and ridiculous, but about as logically unsound as a claim could possibly be. Of all the snake oil salesmen peddling THEIR OWN theocratic ideology of reality denial, hate, fear, judgment, hypocrisy, and PROPAGANDA for profit, Ken Ham is probably THE most toxic and MORALLY BANKRUPT. He is the epitome of the phrase "LIAR 4 JESUS!"
+BlogTalkUSA LIVE You are either willingly ignorant OR knowingly ignorant. Ken Ham is not a King James Bible believer and to my knowledge he never has been. He uses the NASB and NKJV most of the times in his books. In fact, KJB believers consider this a "draw back" to Ken Ham, otherwise we like him. I am a KJB believer. And before you shout "ignorance", I have a shelf full of books defending the KJB as well as those attacking it, as well as the world famous agnostic textual critic Bart Erhman who is very much against any version in any language being preserved by God.
Cause it was obvious that an old earth model makes sense and Ken ham looked pretty bad in this. TBN still has its theology and will shut down what doesn’t line up with it. It’s basically Christian media with an agenda. Think fox or cnn.
Both Ham and Ross are wrong. The 6 days are obviously literal days because each day has evening and morning. But there is an obvious gap between Gen 1:1 and 1:2. God did not create the world in chaos and confusion. So the Bible allows for billions of years between the original creation and the re-creation of Gen. 1:3.
this is called the gap theory and if this really did happen then why would God recreate the Earth bc if there was no sin, there is no death so the earth could not have been destroyed bc thats death.
Jesus prayed in Matt 6, "Our Father...lead us not into temptation.." Yet scripture is clear that God does not tempt us. Does Jesus contradict the Bible? Of course not! An "historical" interpretation as Ken Ham claims to follow is the wrong interpretation. The correct interpretation is..."do not let us be lead into temptation..." so it is with Genesis chapter 1. God did NOT "make" the sun and moon on the forth day but "exposed" the sun and moon clearly unto the surface of earth on the forth day. It is time for us Christians to use common sense and recognize that the Bible will not contradict God's created world and physics see Romans 1:20. Because that situation just pushes truth seeking scientists further away from God. However Christians can genuinely confront "speculative" science such as the theory of evolution which has weaker and less evidence. Come on man, you don't have to be a dogmatic believer like Ham to believe the Bible is absolutely true!
No, you just believe God lied. In Genesis He lays out a historical narrative, yet you say that was not what He actually did, therefore you call God a liar.
I’m going to assume that you can read Hebrew since you’re talking with authority. In genesis 1:2, it says formless. That word tohu in the strongs exhaustive means desolation as it was laid to waste, destroyed. Did God create a destroyed earth or was there time between genesis 1:1 and genesis 1:2?
Ken Ham is precisely that - a ham. Or, to put it differently, "un salame". If you don't know what that means, look it up in an Italian dictionary. The mistake these chaps are making is the bible. The bible is a Stone Age book that has nothing whatever to say about science. Get real.
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Ken(I will constantly interrupt you ,and won’t let you speak) Ham.
I believe we are gaining in biblical authority and gathering together again because of the calm gentle wisdom of men like Hugh Ross. More people in my circle are willing to look at the Bible now because of physics. I appreciate Ken Ham, but his approach isn’t what college educated adults are willing to subscribe to....the goal is to save....so we need to trust that God brings each of his lost sheep ( I was one) back however they can hear him. Good Bless!
Gods not calm and gentle towards men , read the Old Testament! ,he told us not to trust men over and over again,
The Bible is written in parables, only a few are revealed, the rest are revealed to his servants who believe his words and do them , reading the Bible like a workman, those who don’t believe Gods words and do them are not believers, God calls them liars?
Don’t Ye know the father and son are one?
1 Timothy 6:3
“If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;”
2 John 1:9
“Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.”
Psalms 37:3
“Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.”
Mark 7:7
“Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
1 John 2:4
“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”
Read his words and hope that he comes to you, so You needeth not any man teach you?
1 John 2:27
“But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.”
Go to Creation Research channel and see strata form in minutes and much more about Creation and the flood, but Go to the Bible for knowledge of the Lord, same as King James1 told his sons In the basilica doron!
Psalms 66:5
“Come and see the works of God: he is terrible in his doing toward the children of men.”
Isaiah 45:7
“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”
Philippians 2:12
“Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”
Romans 3:4
“God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.”
1 Corinthians 14:37
“If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.”
Romans 10:17
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Colossians 2:22
“Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?”
James 2:19
“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.”
Don’t Ye know the Lord is the second Adam, alone with nowhere to lay his head?
Luke 9:58
“And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.”
Imagine what it’s like to be eternal? BELIEVE GOD!
When all his children do his commandments, and believe his word, AT LONG LAST , THE LORD WILL NOT BE ALONE , HE WILL HAVE A BIG FAMILY AND WILL BE THEIR GOD, BUT DONT BE ONE WHOM GOD HAS TO JUDGE AND BE TERRIBLE TO!!! Fear him!
2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation
8:12 This statement contradicts Romans 3:11 The is no one who understands, there is no one who seeks God...
Correct!!
great debate! on both sides. But i gotta hand the winning vote to Ken Ham. Solid responses and questions put forward.
Ham is a goofball who thinks that T-REX was a vegan.
@@Joshua-dc1bs
Thank You. Ken Ham is ridiculous.
@@yamabushiwarrior996 In other words the bible is ridiculous
@@cisuminocisumino3250
Aaaaaah, nope never said such a numb skull thing like, "the Bible is ridiculous."
Cuz, that in and of itself is....Ridiculous.
@@yamabushiwarrior996
But Ken hams position is biblical. Scripture seems to suggest that all living things were herbivores before the flood, so that would include T-rex, so if he's ridiculous for allegedly believing that, then you're indirectly saying the bible is ridiculous. Take a look;
*Genesis 1:30;*
*And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.*
With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day” (2 Peter 3:8).
Meaning Gods timetable is different than ours, therefore the word yom in Hebrew has 4 meanings for the word day.
In Genesis He uses word the day interchangeably, in one area He is referring to part of the day and in another the whole day.
Hugh always says that the Bible says that the laws of physics don't change. Not true. The word "physics" isn't in the Bible. Hugh is giving an interpretation of Scripture that it's referring to physics.
Ken Ham dominating as usual. I just hope the Ark Encounter thrives.
He dominates because he is to rude to allow other voices of reason to speak.
Unfortunately he's a walking disaster.
I'm also with Ken Ham!
So explain to me than ..why the need for the tree of life prior to the fall ......and after the fall........if they were suppose to live forever prior to sin ..why the need for that tree regardless
Nothing in scriptures says they were to live forever prior to the fall ..absolutely nothing ....that tree of life is an issue
Yep, Ken accurately represents the plain meaning of the text of Scripture.
@@carlosalicea6969don’t Ye know the Bible is written in parables,
Mark 4:34
“But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.”
Don’t Ye know God is a Spirit?
John 4:23
“But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.”
Do you Ye know what manifest means?
John 14:22
“Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?”
Do you understand Peter ain’t the rock ,God/ Jesus is, the rock the got smited giving living water to the world?
Exodus 17:6
“Behold, I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink. And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel.”
Don’t Ye know that HOREB is where the mountain of God was?
The mountain that’s going to fill the whole earth? Not Peter!!
Daniel 2:35
“Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.”
Those who read and trust his words and do them are his servants not deceivers who say God made a rock male and female at the beginning that came to life from nothing!!
Go to Creation Research channel, see strata formed in minutes!
Believe God , like Abraham did!
2 Timothy 2:15
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
Genesis 1:1
“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
Exodus 20:11
“For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”
Mark 10:6
“But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.”
Matthew 19:4
“And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,”
Genesis 2:7
“And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”
1 Corinthians 15:39
“All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.”
The guy on the far right that uses his hands alot is right about God creating in six days as a plan for His people and their rest and worship on the Sabbath, regardless of how long apart the Creation days are. But I believe Dr Ross about the laws of nature because if All creatures lived six thousand years ago and no death before Adam and Eve sinned then that means Megaladon Shark was a vegaterian and poisonous creatures were not using their venom that God gave them. We must keep an open mind and pray for the Holy Spirit to guide us. God bless
That's former Trump administration official John Bolton
The word create is only used three times in the Genesis account,day 1 All physical mater . Day 5 living creatures. Day 6 Man. The sun was created on day 1 , the atmosphere was too thick for light to reach the surface . That’s why the text is specific to say darkness was on the SURFACE of the deep . Even science backs up that the earths atmosphere was so thick in its beginning stages that light couldn’t penetrate to the surface. Day 2 notice God transforming the atmosphere. Day 3 now there is vegetation growing adding oxygen thin out the atmosphere. Day 4 the sun moon and stars now become distinct objects, getting ready for Gods creatures who need visibility of the lights in heaven to regulate there biological clocks.
Ken needs to let the others talk more...
Seriously; the most frustrating conversation I have viewed. There's no humility at all in him.
@@yamabushiwarrior996 Ken is a great servant of God we all know where he is going when he dies. While you're busy berating his opinion.. ask yourself where you're headed.. are you smarter than ken? Honestly ? If so, so what? What matters to God ?
@@jrrr2313 Smartness and correctedness don't get you to heaven, BRO! No one "berated his opinion" that is lying. They brought to light his arrogance and his inability to be gracious towards those who he disagrees with. He may be right but his attitude is WRONG!
@@joekeller887yeah because Jesus was so gracious when flipping tables and whipping false church leaders, and confronting Pharisees by calling them children of the devil.
Get over yourself.
@@joekeller887it never was and never will be about who Ken disagrees with, but with what thr BIBLE disagrees with. If youre gullible enough to believe Hugh then you need to deepen your relationshop with christ.
I am with Ken Ham on the Young Earth but Hugh Ross gives a really good perspective on how the universe is specifically suited for life on earth as we know it! It seems to me that the two of these are good friends and there is a great deal of mutual respect. I would love to see these two in a formal debate format. The TBN host comes across as a blithering idiot and his suit doesn't even fit right so he looks like a clown!
I wanted to see the end!
It's funny Michael Horton is an old earther and is band from TBN becaus of his book The Agony of Deceit: What Some TV Preachers Are Really Teaching,and the fact he is always decounceing TBN.
Dr Walter Martin also old earth and was band from TBN also they called curses down on him. I all ways thought that these men held to inerrancy of scripture. Thanks Ken for setting me straight you are a beacon Godly wisdom. You will know them by their furits.
Oh god, I'm gonna puke!
band? Banned.
Ken Ham has to reject all other bible verses outside of Genesis that talks about the creation event because it doesn’t support his young earth view .
The collective IQ in this room.
Hovind and Ham only know Genesis.
I don’t know why anyone would go with Ken Ham. He wins arguments by shouting people down. He never really listens or understands the other person’s position. We do not have to unhinge our minds to be a Christian. We don’t have to ignore the things that can be easily and clearly observed in nature. The Bible and nature/science do not disagree!
Ken Ham the word for world in Romans means mankind, not the earth. Before Adam, there were no humans to die as they hadn't evolved.
I cannot listen to a person that does not allow another person to finish their point, that tells me that person has closed his mind and leaves no room for error.
His interpretation of the Bible is just his interpretation and through open communication we can commune thoughts and ideas that might make more or less sense.
This guy Ken is rude and condescending, I guess he missed the part in the Bible where God does not like scoffers.
I love the idea that God put in a place and time where science proves what was written thousands of years ago. To me it’s a win win.
Dr. Bloom is the smartest man in the room, and is thoughtful and nuanced. He was one of my professors. I wish we had heard more from him. Ken Ham did the most talking, more than his fair share, and was the least convincing in some respects.
Having said all that, from my studies, I agree with Ham's position--both biblical and scientific. I just don't like his approach. But the evidence for a recent global, worldwide flood is tremendous. Secular geology can tell us very little about how we got the landscape we see today. And fossilization takes very special conditions. Do some reading on that. I would recommend Michael Oord's books--very thoughtful and based on extensive research. And do some reading on genetics--John Sanford and Douglas Axe. I think their work is well founded on evidence and is a slam dunk for young earth creationism.
‘Secular geology’🤣 ‘Slam dunk’🤣🤣🤣.
I realise that this is a shallow reaction but, good lord, too much to say for a YT post.
Craig, you recommend a lot of reading. I recommend you take your own advice and genuinely and with humility read some real science. Hard for a pre-suppositionist to do, but if you try you can step outside of your paradigm and read some science to learn, not just to ‘slam dunk’.
For me the most important thing is in the beginning God created that seems to be the sweet agreement between old Earth creationist and younger. I do not believe the Bible teaches a local flood I believe Ken Ham is correct on a global flood since the geological evidence points to that and the New Testament writings of the Apostle Peter. I enjoyed this great debate between the two brother's in Christ. I think both guys know how to present their cases and I think they both have the same agenda and that is to share the love of Jesus with a broken world that has the need for the truth and that is that Jesus died for our sins and was raised for our justification. Grace to all in Christ.
There are 8 million scientists in the world currently. These are people who practice their profession in all the different aspects of science - physics, biology, zoology etc. Virtually 99% of them have come to the conclusion based on EVIDENCE that the Earth is 4.56 billion years old.
The debate is over !
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I would never grace Ham's book with my eyes. He's no gentleman.
Once upon a time Scientists also came to the conclusion that the universe was eternal and that spontaneous generation was true, but all this was eventually debunked, took 2000years for spontaneous generation to go down, because the evidence was compelling, but germ theory nailed it to the coffin. In science the debate is never truly over, until there is no shred of doubt in everyone's minds concerning a particular theory. The evidence must be truly undeniable.
@@yamabushiwarrior996He's going to heaven is what he's doing while you're concerned if he is gentleman or not. Was Jesus a gentleman when he flipped over the tables? To them no.. to God.. yes.. that's all that matters
Dr. Ross's position is that God gave two books, the Bible and the Book of Nature. First of all where in the Bible does God speak of the Book of Nature? Second if the two disagree which do we choose? For example the Bible gives the date of the creation of Adam as being ~ 4,000 BC. (The date can be calculated from the genealogies, and events. I did it. There are no gaps.) Dr. Ross comes up with the date for Adam being 50,000 to 90,000 years ago based on "the Book of Nature". Also, who interprets the Book of Nature? Is it Dr. Ross and fellow scientists? They don't agree among themselves. A typical sign of a Sect is that they have additional "sources" beside the Bible. They consider their Book (Pearl of Great Price, Book of Mormon, Koran, etc.) as being superior to the Bible. This position is very dangerous.
The Bible does NOT say that the earth was created 4,000 years ago. It is a matter of interpretation.
@@jamiemcvay130 Hi Jamie. Please read my comment carefully. I didn't say that the Earth was created ~ 4,000 years ago. I said that Adam was created ~ 4,000 tears ago. The Earth, the Universe were created much earlier. The genealogy of Adam starts with the creation of Adam not the creation of Earth. Big difference!
By the way, I believe that both Ken Ham and Dr Ross are wrong in their interpretation of Genesis 1. The "Six Days" are neither 24 hrs long or millions of years long. The six days are a prophecy of the next six thousand years history of men. You can see the covenant of God with Adam, Noah, Abraham, and David, and the Church at the start of each thousand year history. The seventh thousand year, the "day of rest", is the millennial reign of Christ with no ending. The phrase, "and the evening and the morning was the seventh day" is missing for a reason. Think about it.
I ment to say that Adam was created ~ 4,000 BC, and not 4,000 years ago. Sorry for the miss print.
Ken Ham "adam" just means man in Hebrew. It is used many times to refer to mankind. It probably wasn't his real name because it doesn't have the character added to it to be a name. The word's root means ground so man came from organic matter which we evolved from.
Evolution is scientifically impossible.
I wish old earth Creationists would take a harder stance against young earthers. The young earth model is an embarrassing 20th century creation that is setting evangelism backwards.
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Actually, you need to read young earth literature. Ken Ham is not the best advocate for that position from a scientific point of view. There is a lot of evidence for a global flood, and genetic entropy is almost slam dunk evidence for a young earth.
Hugh Ross rocks Ken Ham is an embarrassment.
Hugh Ross has to twist and pull scripture to unnatural limits. Like he has to rescue Genesis with outside ideas. I'd encourage you to read "Refuting Compromise" by Dr. Jonathan Sarfati. Which is a direct refutation of Ross's scientific and theological conclusions.
Amen!
Ken Ham is clearly right. Hugh Ross is not a Bible believer, he is a private interpreter (2 Pet. 1:20 KJB).
Ken Ham is an ignorant, illiterate fool who couldn't care less about the ORIGINAL LANGUAGE AND CONTEXT, to which Hugh keeps referring AND has actually studied at length. Ken Ham is a propagandist and a liar who rejects anything other than the drivel which was written and arranged to the liking of a British King! Insane!
+BlogTalkUSA LIVE What are you talking about, British king?
Hugh Ross is a weirdo and what he says makes no sense in light of the Bible.
Are you saved? (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Acts 16:30-31, Eph. Rom. 3:20-27 KJV)
I was referring to the fact that Ken Ham claims the "King James Bible is the perfect, inerrant word of god", which could ONLY be true in the shallow, simple mind of someone who is either willingly ignorant OR knowingly ignorant about a LONG list of VERY BASIC historical facts which make the idea of ANYONE claiming ANY English version of "the bible" is "inerrant" or "the literal word of god" or even CLOSE to being accurately translated OR interpreted as an accurate representation of ANYTHING that was originally written (let alone the accurate literal "WORD OF GOD!") by ANY ONE of the 35,000+ sects of American "Christianity" not just laughable and ridiculous, but about as logically unsound as a claim could possibly be. Of all the snake oil salesmen peddling THEIR OWN theocratic ideology of reality denial, hate, fear, judgment, hypocrisy, and PROPAGANDA for profit, Ken Ham is probably THE most toxic and MORALLY BANKRUPT. He is the epitome of the phrase "LIAR 4 JESUS!"
+BlogTalkUSA LIVE You are either willingly ignorant OR knowingly ignorant. Ken Ham is not a King James Bible believer and to my knowledge he never has been. He uses the NASB and NKJV most of the times in his books. In fact, KJB believers consider this a "draw back" to Ken Ham, otherwise we like him.
I am a KJB believer. And before you shout "ignorance", I have a shelf full of books defending the KJB as well as those attacking it, as well as the world famous agnostic textual critic Bart Erhman who is very much against any version in any language being preserved by God.
@@blogtalkusalive429 Ken Ham is not KJVO. Most of the resources Answers in Genesis produce use the NKJV.
Today, this was removed from TBN's channel. Censorship is strong and in effect, people!!!
Cause it was obvious that an old earth model makes sense and Ken ham looked pretty bad in this. TBN still has its theology and will shut down what doesn’t line up with it. It’s basically Christian media with an agenda. Think fox or cnn.
Perspective is an interesting thing. I thought that Ken Ham was the only sane one in the room.
Both Ham and Ross are wrong. The 6 days are obviously literal days because each day has evening and morning. But there is an obvious gap between Gen 1:1 and 1:2. God did not create the world in chaos and confusion. So the Bible allows for billions of years between the original creation and the re-creation of Gen. 1:3.
No there isn't and no it doesn't.
this is called the gap theory and if this really did happen then why would God recreate the Earth bc if there was no sin, there is no death so the earth could not have been destroyed bc thats death.
There wasn't a "Gap Theorist" on this platform. Perhaps they could invite you for the next debate?😉
This man should be locked up
Jesus prayed in Matt 6, "Our Father...lead us not into temptation.." Yet scripture is clear that God does not tempt us. Does Jesus contradict the Bible? Of course not! An "historical" interpretation as Ken Ham claims to follow is the wrong interpretation. The correct interpretation is..."do not let us be lead into temptation..." so it is with Genesis chapter 1. God did NOT "make" the sun and moon on the forth day but "exposed" the sun and moon clearly unto the surface of earth on the forth day. It is time for us Christians to use common sense and recognize that the Bible will not contradict God's created world and physics see Romans 1:20. Because that situation just pushes truth seeking scientists further away from God. However Christians can genuinely confront "speculative" science such as the theory of evolution which has weaker and less evidence. Come on man, you don't have to be a dogmatic believer like Ham to believe the Bible is absolutely true!
No, you just believe God lied. In Genesis He lays out a historical narrative, yet you say that was not what He actually did, therefore you call God a liar.
I’m going to assume that you can read Hebrew since you’re talking with authority. In genesis 1:2, it says formless. That word tohu in the strongs exhaustive means desolation as it was laid to waste, destroyed. Did God create a destroyed earth or was there time between genesis 1:1 and genesis 1:2?
Ken Ham is precisely that - a ham. Or, to put it differently, "un salame". If you don't know what that means, look it up in an Italian dictionary.
The mistake these chaps are making is the bible. The bible is a Stone Age book that has nothing whatever to say about science. Get real.
Hey host please cut your hair you're not 16 years old dude you are an old man already my friend
It is a little painful to listen to Mr Ham try to restrain his "attack mode." If he is so confident then why does he have to be so snarky?
dsharff Because cognitive dissonance is uncomfortable.
We'll done, Ken. Now you have dismissed the fossil record.
Well at least he had to admit it's real before dismissing it. Way to go Ken, I guess....
The fossil record is a result of the global flood.
@@raymondwilfong Hahahaha!! And the pyramids were built by aliens. Hahahahaha!!
@@tulliusagrippa5752 How did clams get to the top of Mt. Everest?
@@raymondwilfong humans put them there
Ken Ham is delusional