Steam Ends Support For Windows 7
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- In this video I discuss why I think Steams decision to stop supporting Windows 7 is unnecessary and why the "security risks" they proposed are non-existent for offline gaming rigs.
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Windows 7 really was the last good Windows. At least in Windows 7 programs were still called programs and not "apps", there was no Microsoft Store, no Cortana, no forced updates and the search function in the start menu actually searched your files and not tried to search fucking Bing.
Lets just hope that this change will push more people towards Linux.
They've always been called Application or Executable.
Pushed me to finally just try it. Giving Linux a month or so to test the waters before I decide to stick with it. So far it's been perfect, from art and music to running windows games with proton. I expected problems but the biggest issue so far was a problem with my microphone not being detected, easily solved in 30 minutes of google. Anyone on the fence really ought to give it a try with a babby's first distro like Ubuntu.
I like linux, but until it actually runs almost all of the newest games without depending on a specific version being released or bugs being present that aren't in the windows version, it isn't going to usurp windows in the gaming space or anything close to it.
Almost every emulation box you can buy is based on android/linux though
Linux is still garbage alienated community with hundreds of distros. This will push people to piracy and using debloaters and antispywares
As much as I dislike Linux, I have to agree that Windows 7 truly was the last good Windows OS
technically you can still use SteamCMD to download, update and run your games if you really want an old Windows 7 machine that still runs your games. Also, I might be wrong, but I think SteamCMD still works on Windows XP, at least it did about 2 years ago
I'm baffled that this useful comment didn't get mass liked to the top by now.
@@KayloGL Volvo evil capitalism you will own nothing™
Actually useful information I didn't know about. This means people could build their own clients based on SteamCMD making this a non issue. Well. As long as SteamCMD still works fine.
Win7 still works with steam. Playing it rn
What about gamepass ?
I hate how every modern program is just Chrome disguised
I preffer that 100%, instead of a only compiled for Mac or "PC" application. Compiling for all OS all architectures may result in a pain for developers. Also waiting for a native Open source app of certain corporations is impossible if their product is the software. Electron and web apps helped a lot to increase the market share for "not Mac either Windows" operating systems. This gives people freedom to choose between more options which leads to better 'products'.
@@fabriciochamorro2985 Electron apps _are_ compiled for their target OS - this is fine. Electron apps use the same source code to compile for different OSes - this is good (and probably what you mean). Everything is moving to Electron or other Chromium-based frameworks - this is bad (and probably what what OP means). There is no popular alternative for single-source, multiple-target programs. Dart/Flutter changes too much and Qt uses C++ which scares a good chunk of devs away.
@@fabriciochamorro2985 it gives people the freedom to use bloated, inefficient, unoptimized programs.
@@fabriciochamorro2985except Google is loosing badly these days. They loosing billions.
@@fabriciochamorro2985not good to put all your eggs in one basket.
The moment Microsoft tries to force Windows 11 onto everything I'm going to Linux
I'm considering that too
do yourselves a favor and start switching and trying linux now, it's great already
Same. Linux or SteamOS.
I've already got the steam deck so I've been practicing for when I make the eventual switch.
@@destruction74 steamos is linux
WinXP, Win7 were the pinnacle of Windows. We've been only going down since then.
Back when control panels, settings, and search functions actually worked perfectly.
wait till you see windows 12..
@@Blox117 "HOW COULD THIS GET ANY WORSE?"
Microsoft: releases Windows 12
@@Blox117 I bet they will skip 12 like they did 9. It will be "Windows 13. The End."
@theyellowarchitect4504
I suspect they might actually skip 13 or change the naming convention. There are big enough markets too superstitious to buy Windows 13 that would impact Microsoft profits.
The dropping of support for 8.1 across the board forced me onto artix. Thanks Microsoft, for stopping me from my constant flip-flopping from linux back to windows.
8.1 was the wronged hero, just getting rid of Microsoft Metro fixed a pretty modern "Win 7". R.I.P.
8.1 was the best, never understood why it was the less used.
@@LucasCunhaRocha
Because 8 was so awful and treated a desktop like a mentally retarded tablet
Attaching your name to it as 8.1 didn't fix that shit
Well gues your a linux user not sure if your using windows 8.1 becuse unsupported hardware i only use windows 8.1 for my windows gaming vm well use to anyway use windows 10 for it now the reason i did this is becuse windows 8.1 probbaly has less spyware installed like apps and in its kernal and is much less bloated then windows 10/11 i just customized my windows 10 install deleted all uwp apps including cortona deletd edge becuse screw edge and disabled windows spyware from the host file you can seartch for How To DIsable windows telementary with host file to know how to do that (sorry for bad grammer to lazy to fix)
@@iplayminecraft833 Windows telemetry bypasses the host file and defender firewall. I forget which RUclipsr's proved that.
Praise be to Lord Gaben and Valve for sensibly choosing KDE as the DE for SteamOS. Their patronage means we'll be able to easily enjoy Windows 7-like user experience and still play most if not all of our favourite older games for the foreseeable future.
I've been amazed and impressed with the smoothness of the deck version of the SteamOS, it's a very viable first jump to Linux for anyone considering buying one, or installing it (for free) on their PC. Unlike Windows 10 it doesn't data mine half your life, and unlike Windows 11 it doesn't datamine your entire life.
Yup, that's what got me deciding plasma is where it's at for any distro I end up using, which for now is kubuntu.
Almost every DE can be made to look and feel like windows 7. KDE is nothing special. KDE doesn't have mouse acceleration disable option (but it has more customization in other areas), and most things have mouse acceleration on by default. Keep that in mind and make permanent fix with a command and startup launch thing.
@@Mario1vsSonic1Wdym KDE Plasma doesn't have an option to disable mouse acceleration? It does have it in KDE Plasma settings.
Only thing i dislike about plasma is weird locale problems, it causes ansi color-encode runaway in manpages. Im not too linux savvy yet so i missed something but its slightly annoying
In my opinion, what Valve should do is release a legacy/lifetime version of the Steam launcher that doesn't come with official support, but unsure Windows 7/8/8.1 users that the games already in their library can be played without issue, provided the DRM checks are successful. They could gray out the store tab, as long as people who want to play games their systems are perfectly capable of running (older games that no longer receive (major) updates for example) that work right now without issue and are expected to still work ten years from now, can still play their games. License and DRM checks for games that people paid for and can legally play should not stop working just because the operating system is not the latest version.
That still requires authorization and authentication pieces working. It's a security hole in their system that would fail an audit.
There are ways to secure older systems to make it feasible to plug into new cloud infrastructure, HSMs, and the like, but they have obviously looked at the numbers and said it's not worth it. Probably because most people don't actually use windows 7, they just like to remience about the good old days "when pcs were good", which is probably followed directly with a long drag of a cigar and then yelling at kids to get off their lawn. Just a guess tho
@@Demonata1223The only reason people don't use 7 anymore is because nothing supports it. If it would boot on my AM4 board I would still be using it. I still will be if I end up with a spare monitor for it.
I have a AM4 board and use Windows 7 ... what ?
@@MsTatakai MSI?
@@maxscott3349 mobo? Gigabyte
I blame CEF. It's the new computer monopoly.
what is CEF?
CEF?
Chromium Embedded Framework?
Yes CEF is Chromium Embedded Framework. Every program constantly using it is what will have made it the computer monopoly like Windows and Office beforehand. (Even Macs had to run Office).
@@TiroDvD Thanks a lot for the clarification bro
Why piracy still have demands: 2024 Edition
What a good website? Tbp seems kinda dead these days
@@hell_pike9150 ask fmhy
There will never be another version of Windows like Windows 7.
8.1 was better and nobody used it.
yeah i don't even think you can access the control panel on win11 without manually typing it in. they'll prob make it enterprise only on win 12
@@XX-121mane it's so annoying
@@LucasCunhaRocha8.1 was a dumpster fire, it used more resources doing nothing vs Windows 7 and hurt my game performance more as well, on every system I tested it on, even after unshittifying it, it still didn't outpace Windows 7 even on my best setup.
@@LucasCunhaRochaAny Windows with a purple desktop background is automatically rubbish.
Thank goodness for Proton and Linux compatibility. Most of my Steam library works flawlessly or mostly flawless with it.
Proton isnt good, its just emulation and not real linux versions.
Wine is not an emulator.@@Ralphunreal
@@RalphunrealWine (proton) Is Not an Emulator
Unless you have a Pascal GPU
@@Ralphunrealon my amd PC proton provide more fps than windows, so, in my case it's better
The chromium stuff was the worst idea valve ever had. I often have the steam client webhelper take up over 4gigs of ram. Bring back the old, green steam.
dude the UI is so fucking atrocious compared to 2014/classic steam. wtf is wrong with these corpos
This is why GOG and steam on Linux are going to be so important for gaming in the future and past.
@@fakeninja4447 exactly. we should be abolishing DRM, not supporting it
@@fakeninja4447 Valve's made assurances through words, but I have no real other alternative if I don't pirate every single game (and I do occasionally, but I simply don't wish to do that every time). GOG is keen to bow to China, so I'm not really going to go to that service.
GOG maybe, but steam.. hell no.
Don't you saw what happened with CSGO last August?
The game was nuked out of the library and gaming history with no prior notice.
@@arkhikun as long as you download your GOG games and back them up somewhere, there's nothing they can do to take them away from you and stop them from being played. personally i've never bought a single game from gog, but i do have 62 games from their giveaways that they do periodically
@@fakeninja4447 Because it's global censorship on GOG's part. Devotion was a great game
Hopefully services like GOG get to bloom from things like this. It's a shame that hardware manufacturers also don't develop drivers for w7, so you'd need 'legacy hardware' aswell if you wanted to avoid the MS future(tm)
because it's a pain in the ass to support.
why not everyone support windows XP and 95 too then for that matter? when would you agree an ideal universal windows 7 support should end? never?
If it's not available on their OS I don't think companies will/should care about that
@@mycelia_ow Using Legacy Update I recently installed Win98SE, WinXP and Vista on my old machines. Fully activated and patched, no problem!
And so I switched to EA App and GOG. No more Steam purchases ever and no more Steam app on my machines. Just got Crysis 2 on EA App, Bioshock 1 & 2 on GOG, both orig and Remastered.
press f to pay respects (i use arch btw)
f
Common Windows L
The "(I use arch btw)" is the computer nerd flex equivalent of "(I'm 6'2" btw)"
ok (i use fedora ofc)
@@korudero I'm 6'6" btw
For what it's worth, it's my understanding that only the Steam UI is broken, and the SteamCMD command line utility will continue to work indefinitely for launching Steam games on Windows 7. I could be mistaken though.
lets hope so. steam really needs a legacy launcher option if they want to stop the bleed everytime an event like this happens.
@@someguy4252 oh yes "the bleed" from 2024 windows 7 users 💀
@@KoopstaKlicca comicly missing the point, or just being myoptic koopstakilcca? it's not a win 7 thing but the forcing of using annother os after the purchase of games. today its 7 tommorow its 10 eventually its 11. the revocation of access they paid for is what will sour users and turn them pirate.
@@someguy4252it's like you can't indefinitely support an os that has reached its end of life and doesn't receive any kind of updates indefinitely.
@@someguy4252 yes obviously Valve is going to drop support for Windows 10. "Eventually" is the whole point lol they'll drop it when it's not used anymore. Steam supported Windows 7 for an incredibly long time tbh when it has made up such a small user base. It will probably be the same. This is all a nothingburger and you're getting mad at stuff in in your walls
Edit: no one feels soured and if you do you've been living under a rock. Obvious this would happen at some point
Good, push more people to Linux.
more like push to buy a steam deck
Most people you want on Linux already switched to windows 10. Maybe when they'll drop support for this one we'll see.
Steam Deck is also Linux, no? @@theEtch
@@w花bI'll switch to W11 LTSC then.
Id love to use linux so much, it just feels better in every way. It just isn’t viable for people who want to game without messing around with the system every few days. I really hope Linux will be at a level of compatibility as windows is right now in terms of gaming.
2024 is officially the year of the GNU/Linux desktop
I don't think it's exactly this year but it's close
Only if Microsoft made a subscription service on Windows then Gnu/Linux is the year of computers
If they somehow managed to make gaming performance better then people would come in droves
@@Walhor its pretty decent on AMD cards... but well those are AMD cards...
I hope so.
These were exactly my thoughts as well. All we need is a barebone launcher. No community hub garbage, no fancy ui, just the option to install and manage games.
However, i feel like emulation will be the only option in the future.
We can already emulate ps3 games, why not win7 games as well.
I mean, that is what Wine and Proton do under the hood. I've heard that even though Windows advertises that feature built-in (properties menu on exes), it doesn't always work. (edit: Apparently I'm obligated to remind, however irrelivent for sake of my argument, that W.I.N.E used to stand for Wine Is Not an Emulator. Now it doesn't stand for anything so it's a moot argument really)
No need to emulate shit if you are using the same instruction set as the executable
a x86 executable made for win10 probably will work fine on win7
at worst you would have to make a compatibility layer like wine that implements some newer winapi shit (NOT AN EMULATOR!!)
@@moarjank Wine is not an emulator.
@@papito-mp2iq I'm aware.
It's the side effect of getting in bed with Chromium. Google ends support - so must Valve.
It's sad and kind of annoying, but on the flip side, it's the kick up the arse we all needed to switch over to linux. Proton is more than good enough to pick up the slack now.
Hey Kenny, will you ever do a video on NAS setups since you encourage people to purchase more hard drives and omit cloud storage?
Would like a vid on that as well
Not a Soyjak
Breaks away from the Microsoft-gaming monopoly with Steam Deck and Proton 👏
Relays on Googles browser monopoly for their distribution 🤬
True, but if they were using Firefox instead, the same issue would arise as Mozilla won't support Win7 forever either.
@@xpforevergaming8609Yeah but it was still over 2 years longer than chrome did
Making actually good browsers is hard. Even Microsoft doesn't do a lot of development when it comes to the core tech anymore. If Microsoft can't do it how is value expected to?
Of course Steam is going to use existing frameworks to build all their stuff, Steam Deck runs a Linux OS and Proton is just wine under the hood. Makes sense that they would use an existing framework for the Steam Client as well. There is no moral or ethical angle to these choices Valve makes, it just about practicality. Whether the specific framework they choose is good or bad in the long run for people using technology is not really a factor. Sometimes we can get lucky like with Proton. Other times we can get unlucky like with the Steam Client. Not hypocritical of them because the choice was made from the perspective of practicality.
It enchances the reality that you don't own what you paid for, and screw you if you think otherwise
If you hack it, you conquer it.
Some companies go mask-off with that, like how Louis Rossmann recently did a video about Sony trying to remove Discovery Channel shows people "purchased" where he pointed out that Sony was using a different definition of "purchase" that is just a synonym for "rent". 😒
@@boslyporshy6553 to learn how to hack takes a long time and only solves the problem to yourself. People should be aware and agaist not owning what they paided for
I really thought they would create a "legacy Steam client" for win7. Im so naive
Too many fingers in too many pies. They'd rather push you to linux. As would I, actually. Forces everyone else to get off their arses and make their sh!t work on linux.
Try fedora for as long as it takes you to get to grips with the concepts. Then you can build something to your liking using the arch toolbox.
The regular steam client still works though
@@233kosta It is rather optimistic to think Steam would rather push its users to use linux than deeper into microshit's glowfilled ecosystem.
@@Anton43218 Have you been paying attention to Valve? Moving people away from wine-dows is in their mission statement. Has been since 2015. Who do you think pays for the development of Proton?
@@Anton43218
Did you somehow miss the part where Valve has been pushing Linux for over a decade, with huge amounts of money and developer resources poured into Proton and Steam Deck?
Gabe gave you a compatibility layer to play almost any Windows PC game on Linux, for free. And you still think they'd rather people use Microsoft?
I think the problem here isn't that Steam is actively shutting down the windows 7 client but it has to deal with steam api being constantly updated while the windows 7 client will not. This is why I think they wrote they couldn't guarantee that the client will work after January 1st 2024.
If it's anything like how it was on XP/Vista they will brick the client with an update in the near future. If you manually disabled automatic updates it was possible to use Steam on XP/Vista for quite a while after the support was dropped
@@Pasi123Can you really blame them from not carring about people that use a OS that wasnt updated the last 3 Years? They will probably start implementing all the features/optimisations on the client side that the could not have while keeping support for those, in software time, ancient pieces of software.
@@user-to7ds6sc3p how much does microsoft pay you to write this horseshit under almost every post? surely nothing, right? they've outsourced it to an AI by now right?
@@user-to7ds6sc3p There is legitimately nothing in Chromium that can't be backported to W7. We're not talking a 3d rendering engine. Shaddup.
That's right, they did not say it will stop working on Windows 7, they just said they can't guarantee, which is why it still works.
The only thing wrong with Windows 7 is that they stopped updating it. What features has M$ added to windows since then that are essential? Nothing.
lie
@@apache937No, face it
Probably Directx 12. Apart from that there is only some small incremental changes under the hood. Most of the changes is GUI (nobody wants/cares) and the backdoor and tracking stuff (that nobody wants)
@@marcogenovesi8570 IDK, tabs in file explorer are pretty useful for peeps like me who have their muscle memory tied to almost any Linux file manager.
@@marcogenovesi8570yeah we are getting bad PC releases with constant shader compilation stutter since DirectX 12...😂 So DirectX12 is rather a step back than an upgrade.
The only reason I haven't stuck with Linux is the fact that I have to use a VM to run most industry-standard media production software, and last time I tried I just couldn't screen share with audio on Discord.
Can confirm that screensharing desktop audio via Discord does not and will never work on Linux simply because they can't be arsed to fix it. There are technically third-party workarounds, but they're remarkably unwieldy.
@@MediaMunkee that was my experience. I do watch parties all the time with my friends so I had to go back to Windows 10.
Yep, Linux is fine and dandy until you start running into an assortment of minor problems and inconveniences. Then it gets annoying
The "security risks" arguments are now and will always be a fallacy - I have been daily driving 7 since 2009 and maintain a secure environment by not being a shithead, but I know the average user can't avoid that pitfall. Its easy to get mad at Valve for this decision, but at least they're not just outright saying "Steam will now uninstall itself from your Windows 7 PC, God bless", and it does suck that even with that in mind, the day's gonna come that something breaks forever.
I think it would have been worth the video time to give Valve the deserved shoutouts for Proton and their push for Linux compatibility all the way back in 2012 or 2013. That's a massive amount of legwork done to try to convert PC gamers to a more free environment, and I haven't seen any downsides to it yet. I've found Lutris to be a helpful tool in playing older games, as well - if people don't know about it, they really need to.
For real. Steam likes building off of existing frameworks rather than making their own from scratch (fair tbh), which is why we are in this unfortunate situation due to the client built in Chromium. But it also brings some really cool things like Proton and Steam's general effort into Linux compatibility around the board.
If most people will fall into the pitfall of security risks on Windows 7 then it’s pretty rich to call the argument a fallacy 🤷♀️
@@fpsterby The same people are going to fall for the tricks that cause security breaches on Windows 10 or 11 and will continue to fall for those tricks on Windows 35.
At this point Windows 7 provides security through obscurity.
@@SerenadeURA I can agree with security through the obscurity point however a lot of attacks operate through network scanning and any network facing older window version will have more unpatched vulnerabilities due to it being legacy
According to Steam Hardware & Software Survey: December 2023, Windows 10 and newer is 95.4% of all users, Windows 7 itself is 0.74% so less than Linux or macOS userbase
Windows 7 is still the best Windows version I've ever used, I remember when I first installed it I was genuinely shocked how modern it felt compared to XP and Vista. Windows 11 is the first one since then that made a similar impression on me, although definitely not as strong.
I still have a Windows 7-shaped hole in my heart that no other OS has been able to fill 🥲
Was the best*
Windows 11 sucks dude.
Nah windows 11 is stank af. It may look and feel good to the user but the back end is a bloated spyware riddled mess.
@@TeaInTheMorning-we2kh That is true, and it can be mitigated some. Despite that the experience and performance itself is still pretty good, I'd say better than Windows 7 and 8. and tabs in file explorer is lifechanging.
imo its pretty understandable to cease updates for steam on these old OSs that have a very small market share, its just not worth it for valve or google chrome especially when game devs are also dropping support
sure, for the social aspects, but the basic ability to download games that you own on the hardware they were intended to? how hard is providing the installers? they don't need to update the client ever. it could just exist as it is; there's no games coming out for them anyways. and there's literally no other way to do so legally. this is the era where games stopped receiving disc releases, and if they did, the activation servers have been taken down (see: EA pre-origin games like mirrors edge). GOG's versions are updated for modern systems -- the original versions are really hard to come by now. i love my windows XP rig. i'm gutted they continued to beat back at the people making steam functional for downloads (or copying over files from a modern install and literally just using it for launching/drm purposes). it is impossible to set up a new rig now without piracy for things you literally bought. couldn't activate my legal disc copy of mirrors edge! had to crack it!
but why make it so you literally can't launch your games when it was working fine before?
companies exist to make money and there is very little money to be made providing game installers or support for old operating systems. Its not hard for them to do that at all but they gotta maximize the profit by any means necessary
@@theEtch that's not what they did at all. What they said is that they're dropping support (microsoft themselves already did years ago) and that the client will stop working eventually since chromium doesn't support older windows versions. Windows 7 users also make up like 0.5% of the steam userbase, so it's understandable why they don't want to waste time or money creating a separate legacy client for them.
I have certain games in my steam library that only work well on windows 7 or earlier. Cutting support to windows 7 effectively kills my ability to play games that I paid my hard earned money for.
Went through this when Windows XP support was dropped way back. Had a half dozen low budget Optiplexes gaming machines I made plus a pretty neat T7400 and Windows XP x64 for my main machine that all had steam on them. I had the foresight to offline a few of the low budget machines with all the games downloaded but was unable to my precious XP x64 machine to the same state before the client no longer connected. It was a shame, the games ran great with minimal resources, and were rock solid.
Same with my Windows 7 machines now. I can't bring myself to install 10 and none of my machines can run 11. I agree with your point on why not just download the games and transfer them to the older clients offline, that was a strategy for the XP machines up until 2021 if I remember right (depends on the downloaded client). I suspect with the UI change that Valve has learned from the small group of XP holdouts but...meh, we'll find a temporary work around.
Now. To skin my future linux build like NT4 and keep trucking.
they can run 11 whether you want to is a different matter
Yeah Valve really ought to at the very least have an offline, official version of the steam client just for those machines when they still sell games that won't even work correctly on newer systems. Btw your profile picture is precious.
Harr.... who needs Steam anyway.
I have a couple of similar machines but maintenance is getting exceedingly hard... had a motherboard completely die recently after 20 years, and am too stupid to learn soldering on new caps etc., if that even is the issue... nothing lasts forever, unfortunately.
The skinning isn't all, but also my desire, being a W7 ClassicShell noAero user, but the much bigger problem is basic usability shortcomings like mouse curve and file manager behavior and no drag-and-drop for start menu etc..
Here's the ironic part, this is a direct quote from Gabe Newell:
"One thing that we have learned is that piracy is not a pricing issue. It’s a service issue. The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates."
So, if they aren't going to offer the service in the first place for games that won't work on newer OS's, then most people will have 0 problem pirating these games (which a lot still are for sale) which only hurts the devs in the end. Buy your games on GOG, the latest GOG installers *still* work on Windows XP.
i miss win7 so much. it was so intuative to navigate and had a great range of freedom and choice and control.
There is a class action lawsuit against steam for this, if you are interested
Which one? Is there even any hope of it succeeding? AFAIK it's not against the law, civil or criminal, to drop support for an old OS, even if it's the last good Windows version.
@@Address_Unknown-ur8sp Most lawsuits never are, especially against companies this huge.
It seems like most of the gaming community is completely fine with them cutting support even at the cost of killing games.
@@TeaInTheMorning-we2kh I'm only fine with it because Wine is good enough to run the majority of if not all old games now, and there are ways to remove Steam DRM from game launchers if needed (like Steamless). Windows 7 is one of the best Windows OSs, but even security support is completely dead now. Might as well move on to Linux.
@@TeaInTheMorning-we2kh No games are being klld. You still own them, they're just not accessible on a depreciated machine.
People keep stressing that Valve is the “good guy” with their Lord and Savior GabeN, but they forget that while Valve admittedly e. g. has done more for gaming on Linux than everybody else in the gaming industry together, they still are the company that successfully manipulated PC gamers into accepting DRM as the new normal in the first place. And just because a company is being nice to you today (there is a huge difference between “nice” and “good” btw.), doesn’t mean it’s going to last forever. You remember how Google used to say “Don’t be evil”, and look what they have become. The Gamers™ just haven’t realized yet how much Valve has them by the balls.
Valve is privately owned
Now when Gaben dies...better start sweating since it just takes one retard to think "hmmm I'm going to rock the boat and potentially destroy this golden goose for political brownie points"
Tbf google is the reason why steam will no longer be supported on windows 7, steam nowadays relies on chromium embedded framework unfortunately
Was it Steam or the publishers that pushed for DRM at every possible instance? I don't think Steam cares at all about how the rights of the publishers are enforced, so making them the scapegoat for it doesn't seem right. I also find it strange that instead of appreciating the good Valve has done you instead look at what malicous things they might possibly do down the line, despite them doing a lot of things that they could just not have done and saved money. It is definetly right to be wary of "good guy" companies, but comparing Google and Valve is a massive stretch imo.
@@lbgstzockt8493 absolutely, it’d be cool if valve used a different web framework instead, but their previous one before CEF was horrible and the closest thing would be the mozilla app framework, even then how long until mozilla would also drop support?
I don't see how Valve manipulated anyone into accepting DRMs. DRMs aren't even a new norm. Anti-piracy measures have been the norm for some 40 years.
Steam doesn't require that games must have a DRM to be in it.
Thats okay, I will just shill React OS and the open source agenda.
Also, 7 was peak Windows. Every release since then, it is Windex to me, your bottom shelf window cleaner lol.
Wine is more compatible with Windows games than React OS
Fun Fact: Sony had planned on making the PS2 updateable. It started with the DVD codec requiring an installation to the memory card, kinda like the Xboxs' DVD player addon. This feature remained in PS2s until they learnt about the homebrew loader FreeMCBoot in 2008. Too little too late as FMCB was a thing since 04 or 5. If you had a modded PS2 or Xbox with a HDD full of you're "backups" you were cool back then.
I agree about the eWaste moving to Win11, but Win10’s compatibility modes should handle ~98% of Win7/8 stuff.
that's not the point. it's that if you have xp/7 era hardware then that's the optimal os to use. it's not as resource heavy as 10. plus if they do this now, they're gonna do it again later. is your xp era game you paid for still gonna work when they force you to go to win 12?
It's a temporary solution at best until Windows 10 is declared EOL too. Apparently gonna happen in 2025. They might continue with security updates, at least, but you get the idea.
There is some people with relatively old computers that only play old games. It can be for multiple reasons like not enough money or just because they only like to play the good old games. For them having to buy a new computer with Windows-11 just to be able to play old games is very stupid, especially if they were honest enough to buy their games (on steam). It's not normal when pirating games is easier, safer, and less problematic than doing things legally...
@@Alfred-Neuman yeah, it might be a good idea to just buy some white label hard drives off ebay and pirate all our old games while we still can? guess that's not really the point though. there's absolutely no reason we should have to do that with the money we have given and continue to give valve.
Some games on steam are only optimized to work on old hardware which will now suffer from the newer os and some dont really support newer OSes properly. Fun fact you can only play steam games offline for about two weeks straight before you get locked out. If something ever happened where you cant log on for longer you wont be able to play your games unless you find a work around
Two comments regarding that:
a) You can totally connect your Windows 7 PC to the internet, it's perfectly fine. If you don't use a web browser most of the malicious traffic is gonna get filtered by your router anyway. Firewalls only allow traffic to your PC once you've connected to that IP over that port recently. As long as you stay within Steam the dangers are very minimal.
b) As far as embedded Chromium is concerned: Practically everything you do in Steam uses that framework. Steam is just a glorified browser. Every store page, your accounts, settings, all of that is just web pages that are handled in a specific way. It's a lot like Electron.
Sometimes I wonder if theres some financial connection between most tech companies and waste management companies, because they sure do love creating a lot of e-waste.
Win 7s last update is 3 Years old, ignoring security updates. Move to Linux or Win 10 and there you go, up to date os with support. If those cant run on your system you should probably try to get hardware out of this decade.
Edit:
Most Companies are probably just anoyed with not being able to use new os features or needing to make x versions of there Software just because some users refuse to move on from a 3 Year outdated os.
I love e-waste
@@user-to7ds6sc3p That's all well and good, unless you're trying to create a period accurate PC to the date and time a game was new. And Proton doesn't work on every game.
You're thinking the wrong direction, its not tech companies and waste management, its tech companies and hardware companies. Gotta buy that brand new intel, amd, or nvidia hardware if you want to "future proof" your rig
Capitalism is an anarchic conspiracy. Whoever loves profit conspires with likeminded to screw people over.
I stopped installing digital storefronts like steam and epic and whatnot on win7 ages ago, expecting this to happen eventually, instead sailing the high seas for all my win7 needs, as that actually guarantees things will keep working forever
Well, that is until your unmaintained operating system gets hacked. For your safety, don't put Windows 7 on the Internet. Every hacker and his mom can hack Windows 7 remotely these days. Just use Fedora with a Windows 7 inspired KDE desktop theme like Oxygen. It's near perfect.
same. still rocking a 10 year old windows 7 install
And if nothing works.Then piracy is the only way,just becareful about viruses or maybe use good 3rd party antivirus that supports win-7.
@@magnoliy08is it possible to you use Linux distros on windows 7 or is it too oudated for whonix or Linux? 🤔
@@JohnDoe-iv5ns what you mean? like virtual machines? if so then yeah. thats based more on hardware
if Chromium is the only problem with win7 between Steam, then it having a CLI version would be somewhat good
I mean SteamCMD does work for updating games and being logged in but that isn't really what we want to use.
@@WilliamBrwnIt looks like you can: app_run [appid]
@@WilliamBrwn Yes, you can launch them via CLI
hello mental outlaw after nearly 3 years of being subscribed to your channel i have finally switched to linux as my primary OS 😎
Steam doesn't have the chromium browser in it. Steam is the chromium browser. Also you can circumvent the requirement for tpm module, though i won't sure how long will it last since it looks more like a tracking tool than a security tool.
Rufus actually has a feature that lets you create installer media that removes the TPM 2.0 and 4GB+ of RAM requirements, automatically disables telemetry, and even remove the requirement for a Microsoft account!
But while there are ways around these limitations, big companies are getting worse and worse by the year. It's only a matter of time before Apple becomes like a luxury car brand, then Microsoft tries and fails to follow suit.
even with these bypasses to install 11, you will be presented a horrible operative system by the time being
Some people recommend to stop the steam updates .They say with this method some have steam working on windows xp-not sure about that but i have seen vista fellas having steam running normally .
Also worth creating a backup of the steam client on USB for redundancy. Last thing you want to be doing is digging the web in search of an outdated steam client only to download it from a 3rd party 😂
All of this will make sense if you start using the right words. You don't buy games from steam, you lease them. Read the TOS. You own nothing. I on the otherhand pirate all my games and physically own them and can run them wherever i please. i will continue to pirate until enough steam users wake up and boycott steams leasing policy. until then i dontate money to the developers of the games i like.
Proton gives same performance as gaming on Windows for most of games sometimes performance are better on linux with Proton
Proton runs older games better than windows does in some cases
Yeah but a game developer can just be a dumbass and not go with a linux-compatable fork of their anticheat any day and then suddenly you're down a game in your library. I enjoy Linux but this is just a simple fact. This happened with Ark, this happened the Master Chief, Collection, this happens with tons of popular shooters.
Unless you have a Pascal GPU
@@coltranebartlett590 what makes you think that when they add an anticheat, the game will continue working on Win7? All newer releases of the popular anticheats already don't support anything older than Win10
I always scream and I will never stop to scream under those videos, GOG IS A THING THAT U WANT!
I agree but it's kind of a pain in the ass to get GOG games to work on linux. You have to mess around a lot with WINE or some other such software
@@TeaInTheMorning-we2kh lutris
When you install it and make basic setup for it's compatibilities it's dragand drog easy.
A lot of people, including me, made the mistake of buying older games on Steam
@@ytuser0110 Thanks. I've never heard of that and will definitely try it
According to the Steam hardware survey, the combined userbase of Win7, 8 and 8.1 is about 0.9%. Makes sense that they'd eventually drop support if it required developing a fork of the software them.
Maybe not an entirely analogue/fair comparison, but also check the Linux userbase size. I mean, with Valve's fuss about Linux support.
@@Dowlphin Yes, but Valve is expecting the Linux userbase to grow, whereas Win7 userbase isn't.
@@shiggydiggy6847 Especially if they got all odds stacked against them while Valve decided to throw themselves behind Linux. Who knows how the picture would look with more commitment shift overall. But that's hypothetical, because if Microsoft did that, too, then it would be a different world. Although the world at large also decides on the type of feedback that businesses base decisions on.
I suspect one reason why for example AMD still supported W7 for so long might be a presumed large W7 userbase in China.
It's the awful sinking-ship psychology that is the norm in society. Once one thing becomes a bit inconvenient, people leave the ship, and the more do, the more others do, and THAT renders a product obsolete.
Valve also cares about Linux support because that's what the Steam Deck runs, of course they're going to care about compatibility with their own product, especially over an unsupported OS that isn't getting new users.
Steam hardware survey lies about the percentage of versions of Windows users. If you look at DX10/11/12 Systems, DX12GPU & PRE-WIN10 is at 17.77%.
Valve should drop support for Windows 8, 10 and 11 as well to force gamers and developers hop onto Linux bandwagon! :)
Very little games with linux support, L take
valve isn't forcing shit on anyone, it is google not supporting it that is the problem.
Steam supported winXP until 2019, that is crazy long support, I don't think anyone else did this long of support.
That's absurd. They'd loose most of their business.
@@iCrimzon Can't you guys take a joke?
@@zeliphno
it's a non-issue. Is Valve supposed to support this OS forever? If people want to play games on old hardware use Linux and steam compatibility layer. I play Deus Ex on Linux this way.
yeah you're not wrong. The core OS is the same. I dunno, I took the Linux pill a long time ago so I just expect MSFT to be horrible. This is like being surprised a pitbull mauled a toddler. @fishy2939
@fishy2939
Incorrect, Windows and Google both dropped support and guess what Steam relies on
Riiiight Chromium
Instead Valve should make a propietary software that's not tied to Microsoft or Google in order to please a percentage of it's userbase running a legacy OS that's smaller then the linux userbase
Doesn't Steam on Linux require a quite recent graphics card to be able to play Windows games?
Can't wait till they drop Win10 support and people's machines literally cannot be upgraded with Win11 due to Microsoft's arbitrary requirements.
@@commisaryarreck3974you mean SteamOS?
to me, gog will always gonna be superior to steam and epic, i know you only own a license, but atleast you can download the offline installers and be allowed to keep an old version
most ppl from the steam discussions are bootlickers
I think the reason a lot of people including myself use Steam is that it's often the first library/storefront anyone uses for games. I created my Steam account when I was 13 years old, and most 13 year old kids don't know enough to care about licensing and DRM around digital products. If I had enough money to clone my library onto GOG I would use it over Steam, I'll definitely do it someday. I don't hate Steam/Valve, as relative to many other companies, they do truly care about their consumers and the quality of their products and services. There are arguments to be made about the 30% financial cut they take from games sold on Steam, generally though I don't find them to be a malicious company.
@@psychedelaholic Same here. But I'm scared, that at some point, they will become evil, because most corporations eventually do. So I'm a bit wary of the future.
@@rickyspanish4792 Valve won't stray far from their founding values as long as Gabe retains control over the company. If the founders of Valve are replaced, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it go to shit.
@@psychedelaholic The other issue is the limited selection of available games on GOG vs everywhere else.
@@tech-bore8839too many game devs/publishers are scared to publish on cdpr's gog because of the fact that you have to ship the game without drm.
After swapping to Linux and trying a variety of arch distros, it reminds me of that feeling I got when I got my first windows 7 laptop, such smooth and clean operating systems are so foreign to modern Microsoft. Do yourself a favor, if you're considering Linux, do it. It's super user friendly nowadays for tech noobies like myself
It's true that Valve _could_ have forked a 2023 version of Chromium, removed auto-update functionality, and released it as a standalone "legacy edition" for Win7 users... but I think Microsoft and/or Google _forced them not to,_ somehow. Really not sure how, but it wouldn't surprise me. And to be fair, at least Valve is doing the "it's going to continue working, but as _other_ things update, Steam will gradually stop working" route... they didn't set a time-based killswitch like Adobe Flash did, nor did they make Steam _uninstall itself_ from "unsupportable" platforms the way Google has killed many apps in the Google Graveyard (you can't even sideload a pre-killswitch version of Play Music anymore because _the Android operating system itself_ will uninstall it on sight via Play Protect apk blacklist, and the exact same thing is going to happen in a few months to Google Podcasts).
Seeing a lot of stories about services over the past few days that are making some really great arguments for piracy. I'm predicting a noticeable uptick in general piracy over the next few years.
It's already happening lol
I love Windows 7 my number one all time favorites.
Imagine paying for digital copies of anything
What's the difference between a CD with game data on it and a hard drive with game data on it?
None, because you can write in either direction. The issue isn't digital copies, it's needing to go through an external service to access them.
@@Claudekr Without physical media, it doesn't exist so AHOY 🏴☠
@@charginginprogresss Do you understand what physical media is? Do you realize that downloading a digital copy of a standalone game makes your hard drive the "physical media"? Again, the only reason this is an issue is because these games are run through steam - you aren't going to be able to play a multiplayer game in halo 3 if the servers shut down whether you have a halo 3 physical copy or not. If the game is detached from a service, then you don't need to worry about that service taking it away from you - digital or not.
From running steam in garbage computers, I learnt about a steam small mode which is just the sidebar from the library. (I think) it completely disables Chromium and everything related to the web, so you would have to buy games from your web browser and you wouldn't really be able to check your achievements, but it will probably work for a long time.
That is, of course, that they don't go the ass hole route and block steam from running on Win 7.
They will.
I was using windows 7 since 2012 to this very moment
What Microsoft forced me to do is to install Linux Mint
And that in part thanks to your channel
Thanks to your content it picked my interest in Linux in general
I have hardly any regrets
Linux mint is like Windows, but not crap. It's awesome.
? How do you guys even use windows 7 lol it's beyond slow.
@@Cor43l It's still much faster than Windows 10
@@Cor43l my Dad's computer came with 10 a few years back. It took over 7 minutes to boot. I timed it. I cleared it and installed windows 7 and it booted in less than a minute. I have yet to hear a good argument that using more resources on the OS is better for the performance of the system. Edit unless you're comparing to linux in which case I have to use windows for some things but mint is quite nice, better performance for some games.
my dude u might not believe it but its quiet decent for its age
and certain older games run really well on it
i would even argue there is a point to have different SDD oh regular hard drives with different systems
sure u can emulate almost anything these day
but there is still some certain software that will only ran on certain systems
after trying different Linux distros, ye windows 7 is slower
but i cannot say that it is a bad system
especially for a normie users@@Cor43l
I've never used Win10 before on an everyday machine, I went straight from a Win7 desktop (my dad's computer he refused to update since he has all of his music on there) to a Xfce Mint desktop i built in January of last year. Win7 rocks, it truly was the only Windows version that could ever stand before XP. Sometimes the incompatibility of some games drives me up the wall with wine workarounds, but I direct my blame to the party truly at fault, the irrational game devs who refuse to release/update games with native linux support.
Steam has never worked without internet for extended periods of time, I don't know why it's valves fault for not supporting an OS that microsoft doesn't support and nobody uses.
I would say that Steam App is essentially an Electron app, which is basically web browser in disguise, more specifically Chromium browser. Even Chrome itself is actually Electron app, because every single UI in Chrome is a part of an embedded web page that displays as the app itself. So yeah.
this is why i'm learning to use Linux right now; I've work up a ladder from Mint, to Kubuntu, and I'm now on Debian. Next year in 2025 windows 10 will lose support and if my predictions are correct, steam will probably lose windows 10 support by 2028 or so since 7 stopped security in 2020 and steam stopped in 2024.
Welp, just made the switch to some Arch distro after 20+ years of Windows. Thought it was going to be a pain in the butt, but here I am, playing the same Stalker modpack with 400+ mods that I used to play on w10, ReShade and all, after like a day of learning the basic commands and setting everything up. I hope this is a sign of good things to come.
why would anyone still use windows 7 as a primary gaming OS? i don't understand
I just wonder: What about all those old games that simply WONT RUN on win10 and newer systems? Is Steam going to refund all those games, since they now actively refuse to provide access to the purchased service?
Piracy something something service issue
There is already a solution: steam-cmd. It's a minimalistic command-line version of the steam client.
I sometimes think to myself:
It sucks all those big techs trying to analise me for data and do all the tracking, but it doesnt affect me so whatever. But then they know how much money its worth and end up worsening user experience chasing that source of money expecting people to be simply incapable to try and adapt.
GOG/CDPR do it, too.
Windows 7 was the last operating system Microsoft released. That’s how I look at it.
Dude if they remove internet connectivity how would steam verify purchases?
Almost the entire steam client that the user interacts with is actually HTML (main exception being most of the overlay). They won't continue supporting it because they don't need to bother. If you want to keep using your steam games, just use a steam emulator to fake all the steam services, including drm, locally. A couple of them are even open source!
I would say that more games work on Linux than Windows 7 now. Newer games now have Windows 10 as requirement and running that game on Windows 7 may not work at all, while proton handles all of new titles as long as they don't use some broken anticheat.
That landfill picture with all the old hardware is like a wet dream to me
Me a chad with linux 😎
GoG gives you the right of owning your games, i'm proud of buying always from them.
honestly waste of time for 95% of people
@@astrovation3281 what
to the TPM 2.0: yes you absolutely can add a chip to your system. laptops not but for pcs thats possible afaik its over internal usb2
This is yet another example of pirates receiving a better experience than paying customers. Even with the risk of malware.
I got into a bit of an argument with Brodie Robertson in his comments over this topic where I took basically the same position as Kenny. His position was essentially if you're using proprietary licensed software you should expect this. I'll grant that the wrong side of this debate is technically correct. Unfortunately some people don't seem to understand that when the button says "Buy" that has implications of perpetual ownership in its current state. No one should have to read a 27 page EULA to find out that "Buy" really means "I'm altering the deal, pray I alter it no further". IMO, Valve and Saint GabeN are validating the position that if buying isn't owning piracy isn't stealing. Thankfully I'm in a financial position to always be within a year of the newest Windows, but if I weren't, I'd just pirate every game I've ever purchased to continue playing as I see fit.
Windows 7 was peak Windows IMO, Windows 7 users really need to install a GNU+Linux Distro FFS.
I understand that Valve don't have an obligation to maintain an ongoing exe of an Microsoft EOL OS but they've handled this poorly. They should've archived the final version of the client for Windows 7-8.1 where you can re-download all of your Library but can't access the Store like EOL Consoles do. This really emphasizes the issue with relying on an Proprietary OS by a mega corporation for your PC needs, Linux solves this problem. Glad I'm a Linux gamer.
"Piracy is completely justified". If you already purchased the game, but the thing that installs the game for you doesn't support your OS anymore, just pirate it.
Another reason to pirate.
Perhaps, in this case, pirate repacks of games you already own.
imo they should just stop supporting games that came out after 2023 (for example)
+ Give devs the option to make games win7 compatible if they explicitly want that.
You act like that’s not what my steam deck is for 🥂
@@Yorkshire42069 It is not about you.
Steam had, and LV1 techs Wendell shocased this, ADS INJECTED into itself, by comcast i think? Because they sniffed the packets from people using steam, which in reality, is run trough a browser UI mostly. Well documented. Steam being a semi-browser program feels pretty dumb to me.
I mean, on the flip side, if it wasn't the CEF compatibility that would break, it would be any other of their windows dependencies. Even if it comes to "just downloading an offline game" imagine if you where still on a distro that EOL'd 4 years ago and therefore had an OpenSSL vulnerability. You can't ask Valve to ship a 100% self-contained binary that has literally everything (other than the kernel) to function in the Windows space.
In situations like these, I'd personally recommend people to use Steam on Linux. Valve has gone through a lot of effort to ensure that windows-based games work well on their Steam Deck (which runs Linux) using their Wine sibling Proton (and patches also make it back to the Wine project)
Nah, Linux is not for everyone, just get GOG installers for games you already own, or otherwise find a pirated copy of the games you own and avoid Steam's nonsense. Buy from GOG or other DRM-free sources only.
@@kunka592 You're right, Linux isn't for everyone. But as long as you rely on mainstream tech, you are at the mercy of those who control the mainstream. GOG won't save you from a dying platform either. The galaxy client doesn't support windows 7, and being able to use your web browser won't be guaranteed, especially as older cryptography algorithms are deprecated. Sure, you can download your games on a modern machine and copy them over, but that doesn't help people who already purchased their game on Steam. Linux compatibility does.
Time to start using GOG!
exactly GPOG > steam
Not that I disagree, but why would this call for that? Windows 7 is far more trouble than it's worth, as a user and developer. Especially as a developer. It being most people's favorite Windows OS doesn't make it make any more sense to support over say Windows XP or other deprecated platforms.
What software do you use to get windows games to work on linux? GOG won't even let me install games I purchased through them because they say my system is incompatable.
@@TeaInTheMorning-we2kh im not sure i used wine for software
R.I.P to a legendary OS
As someone who held onto Win7 Ulti for the longest time, I absolutely loathe Steam for pushing this. It was unnecessary, and breaks so many old games in my library. Which now means I need to repurchase them for non-Steam play. Alas, I needed a new PC anyway, as my old rig was beginning to die anyway, so now I'm on Windows 11, trying to give it a fair shake, and hating it.
I'm still using Windows 7 my Steam install still works. When it dies I'm moving from some piracy to complete piracy. It will be a cold day on Tattooine before I use modern Windows.
Why don't you set up the Goldberg emulator, so certain games don't need Steam to launch
@@JoeHoeDoesSomething I shouldn't have to
You can do it on Modern Windows aswell!
The thing is someone is already making a modified version of Chromium (Supermium) that runs on Windows 7. All Valve needs to do is implement that.
yeah but that someone wouldn't pay valve what google paid and pays them.
As Kenny have said, would be awesome if there would be some offline kind of client.
Thanks for the news!
Switch to offline mode, firewall it, then have patience launching it because naturally a Steam client in offline mode tries vigorously to connect to the internet. I knew that before checking. (But if you disable your network interface, it launches immediately.)
I’ve seen this happening literally years in hindsight and have been backing up previous steam installs for four years now, The pop up’s on steam telling everyone about this months ago only gave me more time to prepare.
Am I misunderstanding or is it the case that you can still use steam on any OS, it's just that you will no longer receive updates on older versions of Windows?
No, definitely not. My 2013 MacBook Pro can no longer even use the installed offline-only games that were installed using Steam. This is because Steam uses Chromium to run, which dropped its support for Mac OSX 10.11 in September 2023. Steam can longer even boot up as of last week, therefor I cannot even launch my games.
some recommend to stop the updates of the steam client so if it gets updated not to break the client and make it unusable . I have seen some with vista using steam . Some claim that even with xp it's possible to use steam but can't confirm that .
I keep seeing some recommend steamcmd but i'm not familiar with it or how to use it at all .
@@thehalberdier4774 RIP
Use open core boot and you can patch the kernel to run like latest macos so you can run all your modems things on your existing machine look it.up
Why do all these corporate companies ruin all their stuff and expect users to just be "okay" with that? See, this is the reason why piracy is easier than using the terrible original.
As a developer, I understand why. Supporting old OS/Browsers is a pain
But you don't have to support it, why then remove funcionality?
Because, not always but most of the time, not the devs remove functionality the up to date SDK (software development kit) Microsoft puts out removes that functionality (for them). @@doctorspook4414
@@doctorspook4414 because if you don't support old operating systems, everything breaks on said operating system due to incompatible updates
@@doctorspook4414Still the same issue: why bother support it?
In late stage capitalism, every bit of beyond-minimal (or generally) effort is a pain. Feature diversity is being removed to cut down on maintenance effort, thus catering to the corporate-monolithic simplification agenda.
It does handle pretty much everything now, it used to use their own custom vgui for most ui elements like the library but now uses chromium. That’s why you need steam friend patcher to use cool themes again.
Ultimately, this isn't a problem with Steam. It's a problem with MS's business model.
It's not a problem (for them). It's fully intentional.
it is a steam problem since they are the ones doing it.
Its to push users to SteamOS when that inevitably drops because Valve has been trying to break away from Microsoft for years, and has been pushing Linux really hard. I personally am grateful, Win7 still has bloat and the faster we get off the MS infrastructure the better. Mental Outlaw is just a fear mongering skin-tone-5.
Actually it is, due to all the games being Microsoft software.
@@Ralphunreal No, it's not a Steam problem. They're not even the only ones, mate. Lots of apps have dropped support for win7, and it's gonna keep going. Blender, Brave, Python, Chrome, etc, etc.
theres a build that stopped the timer on XP and that steam build still works on xp. no one did the same for 7?
Press F for a real one. Microsoft wants you to pay a subscription for security updates on 10 btw so maybe we should just all use Linux. I'm certainly having fun on my steam deck😊
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