I noticed that the focus of the discussion changed from Pastors having private jets to rich billionaires having private Jets.. Bottom line is Parr and Ruslan are wrong.. in addition most if not all of the pastors who brow beat their congregations into financing their opulent lifestyles are usually prosperity teachers.. which are "False Prophets" ! Probably would make more sense to charter flights when needed.. realistically if you're a pastor how many times a year are you traveling doing ministry to justify the astronomical costs of purchasing, maintaining and staffing a private jet ?
Well I am poorer than I thought I was LOL, but also very well taken care of by God, sitting at richer than 66% of the global population. I thought I was at 80%, I love this link!!
I'm okay with pastors being rich, as long as the money isn't coming from those donations in the church. (Book Deals, YT, Speaking events, Sponsorships)
A person’s calling could be that of a pastor but that pastor may have numerous gifts associated or disassociated with such calling. Your definition of Pastor is monogamous in nature. A pastor may also be a business person, governmental influencer, a financial mogul, a successful writer or lyricist. These gifts in no way devalue or illegitimize the calling. Bishop Horace E. Smith, M.D. fulfilled his “calling” and became pastor in 1980 of the Apostolic Faith Church, located in Chicago, Illinois, and has been pastor of that church for the past 43 years. In addition to being a pastor, however, Bishop Smith is an attending physician specializing in Pediatric Hematology/Oncology at Ann & Robert H. Lurie Children’s Hospital of Chicago (formerly Children’s Memorial Hospital), for over 20 years, is an Assistant Professor of Pediatrics at Northwestern Feinberg School of Medicine, and is recognized world-wide as an outstanding pediatrician in his field. Thus, he is a world renowned pediatric hematologist and oncologist. Dr. Smith’s vocation as a medical doctor specializing in hematology and oncology has absolutely nothing to do with his calling as a pastor. A pastor is only part of who he is not the sum total.
I agree with your guest 1000% he could be ministering to more people by on a commercial aircraft vs a private. Which as a follower of Jesus that’s what God calls you to do, is it not? Pastors are NOT celebrities.
How privileged are we to even get to have the conversation. It's kind of disgusting. I think most of us in America have never looked into the eyes of a starving child. We've never sat next to an 8 yr old little girl being trained into prostitution so she can be assured of a meal every day. We've never considered the little boy selling straw flowers in a market on our cruise destination trying to raise money for a uniform so he can attend school. I've seen these kids. I've played with them and talked to them and hugged them. I can't live in extravagance after what I've seen and experienced. Period. I think this is such an abstract convo. I would love to know how many pastors are actually billionaires that have obtained their funds ethically. We are talking about such a teeny tiny minority. Seriously. Respect reaching for a moral to this story, but pretty thin. Most Americans live in excess and we really, really hate being convicted about it. And all of us, including myself, probably could and should do better.
I appreciate you starting with yourself. Unfortunately you painted a bit of a false binary, one can have things for convenience like a car, AC, healthy food, a washer/dryer or even a PS5 while still giving to those in need. I think this comes down to vision. We’ve partnered with charity water and raised enough to build a clean water system for a full village that will change their life and create a huge ROI to them being able to farm and sustain themselves in the future. The issue is vision. Point to specific causes like charity water (which gives 100% of what they raise to their cause) and people will come together and do incredible things. But people also need to earn and be able to enjoy the fruits of their labor to fund these missions.
@@BlessGodStudios Maybe I didn't do a good job at getting my point across. We take our kids on vacation every year. We have no public transportation where I live, so yes we have 2 reliable cars. I stay at home with my kids and home school. We own a nice house. I very much realize my privilege. I'm not totally disagreeing. I was trying to point out that, even though there are impoverished places in America, most of us can live our lives never turning our eyes on true poverty or need. Then it's easier to justify our extravagance because we don't even see it as extravagance. Most of us could do better, as I said, myself included. It's just not on our hearts and minds because materialism is in front of our eyes 24/7. Anyways, no hate. Love what you guys are doing here.
there's no need to feel terrible because of your privilege. The best anyone can and/or should do is to handle it responsibly. Nothing in life is equal across the board, there's almost always someone above and below you. As long as you aren't bullying the weak. You don't need to throw your dinner away because someone you aren't directly responsible for hasn't eaten lunch. I grew up in Africa, and I can recognize that I have a lot of privileges that a lot of people never got. Not that life was easy, but it wasn't as hard as some that I've seen others live through. At the same time I also recognize that some people can still look at my childhood and marvel at what I've been through. All this to say, don't feel bad for your privilege, but don't take it for granted either. Appreciate what you have and handle it responsibly. Be as generous as you can, but don't neglect your responsibility to yourself and those you are responsible for. Get yourself a steak if you can, be grateful not remorseful. Thank God everyday, and bless every meal before you eat, and thank Jesus that you never have to look into the eyes of a starving 8 year old.
If you built a business(outside the church) and can afford to fly private because of that, totally cool. If you’re talking about taking peoples tithes and offering for a private jet? Get out of here with all that
I hear you, but if the tithes & offering is used for church work anyways, why can't they buy a low end jet? Especially if they can find a way to recoup the money.
Michael should know that there are Pastors in similar situation that he used to justify his owning a private jet. I know a Pastor with Churches all over the world and he's so busy because of his engagements that flying commercial would literally be so inconvenient.
There was story of rich Christian couple who give 90% of their money away to charity / gospel causes annually and there were still filthy rich. So, a billionaire can give 90% of his/her money away to charity and still be wealthy. It’s not a crime to enjoy the fruit of your labor. The poverty mentality is destroying a lot church community especially in the black community.
Don't fall for the Okie doke. Many billionaires start charities for tax reason and they basically are "donating to themselves"...taking money out of the right hand and putting it in the left hand.
I’ve tithed in a church for a year… then asked for help with $750 rent for one month and got ignored. That is wrong. Even if you say, “pay us back in 3months”… but churches aren’t right when they don’t want to help people who attend and tithe imo. The Bible says give to the poor. Do you first ask “so why are you poor? Have you made bad decisions?” --no that’s Pharisee-talk. Blessing people comes without questioning.
This is become a part of my problem as well. Often find that churches have no problem telling people to tithe but I've never seen churches not one, have workshops to develop skills to allow people to make more money. I might be onto something
Blessings everyone, 2 Corinthians 9:7 “So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.”
Tithing is unbiblical, it’s for the Levites it’s a Law like our tax. You only find that for the Jews to pay the priests who had no work. Not saying don’t donate, offerings and donations are always good, but tithing is NOT for the Christian church. churches who preach tithing are corrupt
“Do you want people to hear you or see you? Cus if you come in with the latest year big body Mercedes Benz they are going to see you but it’s going to change the way they hear you” -Tim Ross We as Christians gain the wisdom to separate people from God but trust me, to the world when you carry the title of Christian you are a direct representative of our God.
IMO, people's issues with wealthy pastors mainly boil down to how the funds were acquired. Pastors living large off the back of their flock does leave a bad taste as does flaunting wealth while disregarding feeding and clothing the poor among you.
+1 +1 +1 +1 +1 THIS IS MY ONLY PROBLEM WITH IT. That's it. If a pastor owned multiple companies and got his wealth from that, then fine, do whatever you want with it. Now, if you are living lavishly off tithing, that's where I'll draw a line.
But if that pastor works hard to teach, provide spiritual and financial support for his flock then why can’t he enjoy the fruits of his labor? Not saying that he should live lavishly but if everyone in his church is given tithes and he has a large congregation then of course the quality of the things he buys might look flashy
@Light Talk With J&D Bc that's not biblical. Jesus is our High Priest and Shephard. That's who leaders should esteem to be. He gave up His Home, so that we could live. A good Shephard gives up His Life so The Flock can live.
@@selahrichardson Well there are MANY factors that your leaving out in what you just said. Yes, Jesus gave up everything (relying on his own supernatural power, leaving his throne, wealth etc) to give us everything we need but their are many factors your not considering. Jesus’ ministry was to the Jews first who were all in one area. So he didn’t need things like a car, or a plan or a fancy boat to travel (although he did have the luxury of using the boats and animals of his followers). Both a pastor and Christian should live modestly but sometimes convinces overlaps with luxury. For example sometimes the most expensive thing can be the most time convenient way to travel or give a message
Youve missed the mark if you think that’s why most Bible reading Christians have a problem with Pastor wealth. These videos and subsequent responses show who really does, in fact, actually read the Bible. Shoot, it’s not even like it’s hidden in the corners and shadows of the Bible, and when you finally find those elusive passages you need help from biggest, baddest, rabbi around to understand them. They are some of Jesus’ most popularized thoughts and sayings. “It’s easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God”. And there are plenty more popular and obscure passages that cover this.
The forgotten issue here is that pastors will supplement their income by writing books, speak for business groups, etc. as their “side hustle” money. At that point, they’re focusing on making money. Let’s call a spade a spade. A lot of pastors, who are supposed to be the example, are attempting to live a life like the world…I want nothing to do with these people. And we wonder why the gospel is distorted…
@@JoshuaTCoe There is nothing 'wrong' with being rich. The root of all evil was not 'being rich'. It was more around the , how did they get rich, how did they use that money. As the money is not theirs, especially for pastors who are making money from the Word of God and the Flock buying their books.
@Brison Ball that is the big 'if' right? Would a generous person that is a pastor, that made their money off the name of God, got their source material from the Bible and then earned money off the Body of Christ, then buys a $10m mansion, luxury cars, boats and a plane, there is obviously something wrong with that. Where is the last pastor that has earned millions like this saying they gave away 90% of it completely, full stop? Why are they not just living off the resources salary from the Church and donate all profits from these side hustles?
My hubby is a pastor. We have always served in multiple church situations. My first thought was that the commute between the churches would have to be a very great distance--I have heard of a parish in Alaska where the pastor used a prop plane to get from one church to another. Any instances I am aware of the plane would not be the pastor's personal plane, but belong to the ministry--the plane would have to serve a ministerial function (e.g. getting a pastor over long distances quickly, or getting food and emergency supplies somewhere that could not be accomplished easily by other means.
I reside in the hicks of Alabama and I was sitting here when you said “a car is not a necessity” thinking “uhhh I live in the COUNTRY we don’t have Uber or public transportation!” 😂
This man caught his whole hypocrisy in real time and flipped the script at the end 🤣🤣🤣 MULTIPLE PAIRS OF THOUSAND DOLLAR SHOES!?!? Come on man, I know the feet of those who preach are precious, but my man, you NEED those shoes FAR less than a traveling minister needs a jet.
Traveling ministers do not need the jets. And if you look up the videos where these pastors 1. Took money from their congregation for the jets 2. Said that the people on commercial flights are demons.
Thanks for saying this. Always find it funny that some can sit back and criticise how others spend money YET the one criticising has their own 'flaws". We are allowed to spend money as we please. When Jesus said, "The poor will always be with us", it was in relation to Judas criticising Mary for spending a year's worth on perfume. Judas criticised not because he really cared abt the poor. So, like Mary, our money should be used to do as God says not what man says!
I don't know much about brand-name shoes.... I was thinking maybe the shoes they were talking about were a couple hundred at most because that's a crazy amount to spend on shoes. When he said $1000 shoes my jaw dropped. He thinks dropping $1000 on shoes is reasonable for the average person??? Uh.... nope. Paying $1k for shoes is the same as having a private jet in my mind.
Yes we need to draw the line when it comes to the material world. Evaluate your heart through the Holy spirit. Why spend $2,250.00 on a Lori Piana white t- shirt ? When you can get a decent quality pro club white t -shirt for $7. That's just insane!!!! The only thing I can come up with is those who do that only find their worth in money & material. Basically that's their god. Sad and empty.
Everyone wants to start doing math equations all of a sudden to justify their spending habits, but never keep that same energy when it comes to their benevolence spending. Pastors/Christian leaders love to "draw the line" in regards to helping people, then get uncomfortable when we tell them to draw the line on their gluttony/extravagance. My former campus pastor literally told a man asking for $40 for gas that he needed to get permission from the elder board to help him out. Talkin bout "we do that to keep from getting taken advantage of." SMH
One town we served in had a ministerial alliance which gave vouchers to people who showed up looking for help; they had a system where the stores and motel in town would take the vouchers and then bill the alliance for whatever was needed. Any pastor in town could give out any number of vouchers depending on the need. The churches paid a set amount to the alliance each month. If someone needed rent money, the alliance had a system to handle that as well.
Allen Parr about to buy a jet😂😂😂😂 he just had to make that video first! Love Allen love his content…..Just get your pilot license and buy your own plane. 😂😂😂
@@JoshuaTCoe This house (world) is not the righteous house and the wicked will have much trouble in the lake of fire. That proverb is about everlasting life and death, not this temporary world we live in currently
Few things: Net worth does not equal actual spendable income. I don’t mind pastors being wealthy, but they should be wise with their wealth. There have been multiple stories where these mega church pastors have begged their congregation to raise $ for private jets. Which says that the private jet has become a WANT not a NEED.
I live in South Africa. Poverty here is endemic. I spent four months in America and was blown away by the wealth of the average family. The food that was wasted could feed a family here for a week. I truly feel that God has blessed America because you have on your coins and notes the words “In God we trust”.
Many in America live on debt and pay for things with borrowed money. Don't fall for the illusion. There are many "tent cities and skid rows" in the USA and if not mistaken the USA leads the world in homelessness...Don't fall for the okie doke
That is true but best believe the people we put in charge of our country plays a big role. If black and coloured people stop voting ANC you will see a big change coming. Look at CPT for example...we get lower stages of loadshedding...and who runs the WC not the ANC.
Imagine someone in Ethiopia sees one of our pastors driving a brand new Chrysler. Not an outlandish vehicle by any stretch, but probably excessive compared to someone in Ethiopia struggling to feed their kids two cups of rice per day. In a way, everyone in America in the middle class is excessive and wasteful to a large amount of people around the world. Not a simple issue. I guess this is why God judges by the heart.
Hey bro ... I am from Ethiopia ... We know how we are perceived by the world etc ... but Its kinda is sad to see how our Country is depicted somehow ... but all that will change with God.
@@socb5642 I truly apologize if that came across as negative. That was really sloppy of me. What I really meant to say is that, the US is wealthy compared to most countries around the world, and that wealth is relative. I probably shouldn’t have used a specific example, because I know there are lots of very successful people in your country.
“The bread that you hold back belongs to the hungry. The coat that you guard in a chest belongs to the naked. The shoes that you have left wasting away belong to the shoeless. The silver that you have buried in the ground belongs to the needy. In these and other ways you have wronged all those you were able to provide for.” Basil The Great
I don't understand how he can justify himself having several yeezys and that's okay because he can afford it but the price of his yeezys can change so many children's lives around the world. But a Pastor who can afford to buy a private jet to move around and spread the gospel isn't allowed to do that even though they can afford it.
I think those two incomes levels differ so great that the argument is moot. Let's Say DJ Mykael V makes $200,000 (I have no idea how much he makes; I'm just making up a number as an example). If he gave away 75% to charitable causes, he'd be left with $50,000, which is about the average American salary. If a pastor who makes $2 million a year gave away 75% of his yearly income, he'd be left with $500,000, still leaving him nearly in the top 1% of all American earners. To contextualize matters in terms of what one can "afford" doesn't really make much sense here.
@@M-JACOY It seems it does make sense here. If there is no objective standard for giving and there isn’t, then we cannot force people to give and if those people both earned their money honestly, it is not the fault of the richer man that he was paid more, his labor was simply worth more to the people or company who paid it. Also if each gives equally in percentage then they are both equal in their glory to God. The woman who stepped forward to Jesus and gave mere pennies was said to have given more than all the rich men who laid down extravagantly, but what they gave was still a small portion of their wealth compared to the pennies being a large portion of the woman’s wealth. So it seems to be the issue is portion (percentage). It’s not a moot point, I don’t think anyways. If we are giving generously as God has put on our hearts, and are earning our living honestly. Then the way we increase our portion but still follow God is to give generously, but work hard and also attempt to abundantly provide for our families while also being able to give more. It seems that would be incentive to work harder. Solomon and David were rich. Paul and The apostles were poor. All were glorified unto God. There were rich people Jesus blessed and poor people Jesus blessed. It seems the line to decide if someone is giving generously is only decided by portion and that is unto each person’s heart as directed by God. What you have left over is either due to greed, or valuable work. I would say these jet flying pastors are due to greed, as they flaunt the jets. But I would say the same about someone who wears flashy clothes. But in each case I’m not sure of that person’s heart. My family has a Yukon, some may call that flaunting, but I really only wanted to ride comfortably with my family of 5 and we could afford it, to that outside observer my heart does not matter just the appearance. I think the amount of income matters because it’s something to strive for as long our hearts stay in the right place. The percentage of giving matters because it shows where your priorities lie as well.
@@tyleradamson7242 Great response, Tyler! I still see a few things differently though. The poor widow is a great example. I think that discussion is grander than just portions. In other words, it's not merely that the widow gave a large portion of her wealth; it's what that sacrifice meant to her. Let's juxtapose that with, say, Elon Musk whose network is about 263 billion dollars. If Musk were to give away 99% of his net worth, he'd still be left with ... over 2 BILLION dollars. Yes, this is a sacrifice, but there would minimal change in lifestyle (law of diminishing returns). So you see, acknowledging the percentage given is inadequate in understanding the real sacrifice made.
I know of missionaries who have used planes and boats to reach people in remote areas. What doesn't make sense to me is for a pastor to have a private jet because they don't have a reason to travel that much. If they are staying close to their flock, where are they flying to?
These rich ministers are a traveling ministry. Again I don’t agree with having a private jet as an excuse to travel in privacy. You can get first class. Really you don’t need first class. No one really bothers you on a plane. Everyone minds their business. If you can’t travel as much unless you fly private then don’t travel as much.
Very good discussion. I would only add this as a Pastor myself. When the Bible speaks of a higher standard, we have to be careful of what we apply “higher standard” to. That’s about our life, meaning character, and rightly dividing the Word of God. Not the amount of money that we spend in relation to what we earn. Stewardship is a Christian principle that is no higher or lower for a Pastor. I do not live an extravagant life however we do have to balance when we say higher standard and apply that appropriately. Great video Fam!
I agree 100% with your guest. Pastors are called to live like Jesus as an example. Jesus, St Paul weren’t looking for a extravagant lifestyle, though they could’ve probably done it. They were living a life as examples to shepherding. Imagine Jesus collecting before his ministering to others. I disagree but fully respectfully of you, Ruslan.
@@esosa.godsgirl6282 I never wrote that at all. St Paul lived a very humble life and relied on his ministry and followers of Christ to have food to eat and stayed in their homes as he preached the good news. You misunderstood.
@@KennethTownsell absolutely! Not making money above and beyond off the word of God. That’s done for free - but those in a preaching/pastoral/priest position a humble and minimalist life if that’s the source of income. Extra money should come from outside sources - not the word.
It's great that you guys take the time to talk about this topics. Totally in agreement with that if you are a christian and rich because of you good choices, you can buy whatever you want, but not with the church's money. And as christians we should afirm and encourage generousity. God Bless
I 99% agree... if a pastor is paid a salary, that salary is agreed upon by the church, and it is a payment for a service rendered. That salary is no longer the churches money.
This thing that confuses the Hell out of me is rich Pastors preying on the innocent getting millions of dollars to fund their agendas but an average pastor getting arrested for watering a fellow brother & sisters plants and he was already given the go ahead to do it!! Like WTF??? How does this happen?
Thank you for making this video. For a long time I have felt that this is an issue with people. To judge someone else based on what we think they should have.
The point of all this is ….NO MATTER WHAT GOD HAS BLESSED YOU WITH(MONEY, CARS, CLOTHES, HOMES, AND EVEN 😢PRIVATE JETS…ETC.!) THE DIFFERENCE IS IF WHATEVER IT MAY BE GETS IN THE WAY OF HOW WE TREAT OTHERS. ANYTHING THAT A MAN IDOLIZES BEFORE OR OVER GOD, IS NOT ACCEPTABLE IN HIS EYES! PSALMS 115:4-8 And there’s many many more within the Bible that speaks on this issue. So as long as you’re not placing it above God or mistreating others behind it & are simply just thankful to God for this blessing, you should not be worried.
Instead of raising your standard of living you should raise your standard of giving! It’s easy to say this when you have nothing , there’s nothing with bettering your own life but we must align ourselves with God’s will for our lives and make sure we are as generous as he wants us to be. There is no right answer, this is about your life with God. I personally don’t think I would have a private jet not matter how rich I was. As a minister I don’t believe it’s spiritually healthy to be so busy to even need one for convenience.
I appreciate Ruslan for touching on both points but this ENTIRE conversation is about financial wisdom and generosity. No shepherd should have a jet, lavish jewelry, clothes, shoes etc while the community is impoverished! Yes, some ppl do make poor financial decisions but most ppl aren't even making enough but some pastors will make them feel terrible for not paying tithes yet he has a massive home, several cars, a walk in closet full of brand name clothes, shoes, jewelry and accessories! Don't get me wrong, I like nice things as well but there is no way I can see ppl struggling and send up a pray then hop on a plane and go on my way! A lot of these so called pastors need to seek God because a lot of their actions are about self under the guise of doing the work of the Lord!
@@BlessGodStudios What if they ARE responsible ? Furthermore..... guys like Ken Copeland...Joel Osteen.....Furtick.... Joyce Meyer are false teachers ! Copeland is supposedly worth a billion dollars. This is just not about buying a 60 million dollar plane. But also what does that pastor give to his flock. Spiritually and "financially". Not just one family that makes bad decisions....what if they make good decisions and are just poor ? Why a 60 million dollar plane....why not 30 or 20. Plus as you said the upkeep. It's very very hard to justify a preacher today with being a billionaire. Compared to having a car. Why not buy a nice expensive SUV have someone drive you and still have your privacy ? I know it's repetitious but it's very hard to justify a preacher to be a billionaire and also have a 60 million dollar plane. Which Copeland has two (2) Sorry I'm not buying into the argument as much especially with those pastors... considering who they are. But I don't have to answer for them....just myself and that's hard enough.
@@BlessGodStudios Sent them to Dr Ramsay lol. But it is hard unless that individual has the will and patience. Sometimes they do , sometimes they don't. There is no 'blanket' program that will help people earn more and be more responsible. That is on that individual. You often see even siblings growing up in the same family having totally different outcomes.
A person’s calling could be that of a pastor but that pastor may have numerous gifts associated or disassociated with such calling. Your definition of Pastor is monogamous in nature. A pastor may also be a business person, governmental influencer, a financial mogul, a successful writer or lyricist. These gifts in no way devalue or illegitimize the calling. Bishop Horace E. Smith, M.D. fulfilled his “calling” and became pastor in 1980 of the Apostolic Faith Church, located in Chicago, Illinois, and has been pastor of that church for the past 43 years. In addition to being a pastor, however, Bishop Smith is an attending physician specializing in Pediatric Hematology/Oncology at Ann & Robert H. Lurie Children’s Hospital of Chicago (formerly Children’s Memorial Hospital), for over 20 years, is an Assistant Professor of Pediatrics at Northwestern Feinberg School of Medicine, and is recognized world-wide as an outstanding pediatrician in his field. Thus, he is a world renowned pediatric hematologist and oncologist. Dr. Smith’s vocation as a medical doctor specializing in hematology and oncology has absolutely nothing to do with his calling as a pastor. A pastor is only part of who he is not the sum total.
What could 50million do for a group of people? Like I can't believe a pastor would spend that much on themselves. It's called selfishness. I can't believe this is being defended.
That's reasonable but think of how many people can be fed with 500 dollars: That's 5,000 meals for people who need food. Yet, some Christian spend that same money on a PS5 to play video games and waste their time since they are bored. Should Christians never spend on themselves because of this? No, they are allowed to spend significantly on themselves, as long as they lead a life that is generous to the poor. Let's pose a hypothetical scenario: imagine you work a 9 to 5 and after you work, their is a donation box that you always put $20 in. However, after work one time, you decided to not to put any money in the box and spend that on a toy in a store that you wanted. Does this mean you don't live a generous lifestyle? Of course not, and this isn't even accounting for the wealthy Christians who donate 40-50% of their wealth, while still having money left over to live an extravagant lifestyle (assuming that it isn't showy). So many Christians in the Bible were filthy rich and spent on themselves but this wasn't considered a sin. It's only a sin when you aren't charitable to others, or you're obtaining your money (that you either earned/God blessed you with) dishonestly.
“The poor you will always have with you.” That’s literally after they scolded a woman for wasting a very expensive perfume on Jesus. There’s nothing wrong with being RICH.
I think you’re a little off base. Ruslan isn’t defending it. He’s saying if you made the money then do you. But if you got that money from the church, the church should have used that money for the betterment of the church or surrounding community. Whether a person is worth billions or just hundreds, we don’t have any biblical or moral principle to tell that person what to do or not do with their money if they inherited it or earned it. As far as this conversation goes it seems Ruslan and Allan are against the pastors we see that are getting congregations to donate for a jet.
No one is arguing wealth is not bad. We are talking about 50 plus million not 10k or a 350k reasonable house. Obviously everyone has to make their own choices but the question will always come down to is do I need to get a private jet for 50mil I'm guessing probably not. It's a good argument but I would also personally and this is me and not judging anyone. I personally could not buy a Lamborghini for 250 350k just to have a sick car and then go and see all the people that need the help. Who knows what you could do with the 200 to 300k you save by just buying a regular car. So to each their own but 50mil thats massive. You could change so many people's lives with that.
why do we always ignore Matthew 19:24 famously saying “it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God”?
We don’t. But two things. 1. Globally speaking, if you’re writing this on a smart phone or computer, Myriam YOU ARE THE RICH. And to whom much is given much is required. 2. That passage is about salvation. Go read it. It’s not about rich people not making it to heaven. It’s about it being impossible to saved without God
@@MyriamBernard13 I believe there are many charlatans who fleece the flock for their own gain, and the love of God is not in them. I also don't agree with Alan Parr's points, but I don't believe rich people won't go to heaven for being rich.
@@BlessGodStudios I agreed to that above your comment, brother but I also gave a dozen more verses that seem to back up my school of thought. I am not the rich. I also never said we HAVE to live poor, but why not just comfortable and satisfied? Like a roof over my head, food on my table, savings for emergencies and future funds? Why designer clothes and private jets?
So I live in a "million dollar" home in Texas and you know what I call it when guests come? Welcome to the manifestation of the goodness of the LORD!!! I am very grateful for what GOD has blessed us with and we are empty nesters. Although my son said he is moving back home after he graduates from college (that is a whole other story) 🙄. Anyway, did I need it -NO especially since my pervious home was paid off for many years doing the Dave Ramsey plan.
“No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.” Matthew 6:24
Me personally lol Allen Parr made sense. I think people get easily tripped up on the surface level talk. He's not necessarily encouraging wealthy pastors to get private jets, but he's encouraging us to be more critical thinkers and look past the supposed gimmick, and also give people grace by expanding our perspective and worldview beyond just our own paradigm. I can't judge people who get first class plane tickets just because i'm not on that level yet. When that happens, then I'll see. This sort of parallels the Dunning-Kruger effect, but in terms of financial wealth. In conclusion, we can relax lol.
I actually had one of my old pastors DEFEND these pastors with private jets! She claimed that we never knew how God would use these people to reach others.....but also this preacher looking back was part of the new age reformation movement as well so......
How did the early church operate? 42They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43A sense of awek came over everyone, and the apostles performed many wonders and signs. 44All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45Selling their possessions and goods, they shared with anyone who was in need. 46With one accord they continued to meet daily in the temple courtsl and to break bread from house to house, sharing their meals with gladness and sincerity of heart, 47praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.
How about if a pastor buys a plane with “his own money” BECAUSE “his own money” is enough to buy a plane only because he writes a book, and his church bought thousands and thousands of copies of said book so it hits the best seller lists and then church mandates to the many small groups they need to be purchasing said book for their group meetings. 🤔🤔🤔
100% agree with your guest. Pastors are measured by a different standard. I can say with all truth that most people have way more than they need in the Western world. I live in SA 🇿🇦 and bro....lol.... I've seen it ALL. Money can really corrupt people.... I believe, in general, as a Christian.... live modestly and be a blessing to others....be generous in ALL things...your time, energy, wisdom and money. Great video ✝️
I’d stand by Pastor’s not having private jets due to the fact that leaders in the faith are held to a higher standard across the board. James 3:1: Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness. If you decide to take up that mantle you have to understand the weight of it. I don’t have a definite stance on the matter I’ll have to dig a little deeper, but I do believe that if you are a believer with access to that kind of capital, you’ll really have to sit down before God and ask yourself if it’s necessary. Personally I think the better bet would be to buy significant shares in a company with private chartering if that’s possible and then you can get access to private flights without burning that excessive amount of capital, and you can use what you would’ve spent on maintenance now helping people. But I’m clarifying again I’m just sharing where I stand thus far. The only affirmative stance I have this far is that Pastors should be held to a higher standard according to James 3:1
nah this aint it, there is NO WAY anyone NEEDS a private jet, very different than a car lol poor people AND rich people can and probably do own cars, can't say the same for a private jet. no one NEEDS one to survive. why is this even being argued lol edit** I do also think that pastors are held to a higher standard too though
@@k.h.a.l.i.l. so do I Khalil but maybe we shouldn't. I made a comment on this page somewhere else that I think its ok to chase the freedom of NOT being poor (being safe and secure) but why keep going? Why chase WEALTH? The Bible is ridden with verses that state too much earthly wealth can be dangerous for all of us. I think when you make it a goal, it takes a little space and energy away from your goal of pleasing God in every way, with every breath. I wouldn't stand on the street and judge my Christian brothers and sisters but I WOULD call out pastors for it. I would NEVER EVER follow a man who claims his church needs a private jet. Ruslan brought up charters and I can kind of agree with that a lil more but still, you better RLY need it lol
Problem is most with a lot of money love money. If they didn't love money, they wouldn't have a lot of it And as Scripture says "Whoever loves money, never have enough money; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income" (Ecclesiastes 5.10) The pastors who are buying private jets (Creflo Dollar, Benny Hinn and the rest of the TBN preachers) are the pioneers of the prosperity gospel
I think Mykael is right in the sense that Pastors are held to a different standard. They should be the model for us. I don't think a Christian should own a private jet, however a Pastor is held at a higher standard and they should be the example for us to be more generous. So for example, a Christian with a private jet should be led by the shepherd to become more generous. Even if that means keeping the jet, using it for people in the church and using it for different purposes other than personal leisure use. Again, there is wisdom in all of this and wisdom in finances.
Here's my wondering on this: If a pastor has a jet and can afford all of costs in utilizing it on a regular basis, and we are comparing that to a Joe Schmo owning a car, then the spending on either should be an equal percentage for each person's net worth, with equal percentages budgeted out for everything else-all proportioned out equally in conjunction with each person's (pastor man and Joe Schmo's net worths/annual budgets, respectively). Ok, so if that is a thing and it can be broken down like that, I just want to know what kind of income this pastor has his hands on to begin with and why. I don't know of any pastors with private jets that don't have a megachurch and those are typically in operation based off of the prosperity gospel "model" of preaching, which is exactly what Christians should not be promoting to begin with. So let's find out which pastors have these jets and what type of preaching styles they are using. Then let's couple that with some New Testament, 1st century church living, not the OT (not-pastor/prophets) who had it made, while looking at verses like James 3:1 and Hebrews 13:17. This "apples to apples" is invalid as an argument. I don't know one person driving a car worth as much as you said is the "average cost"...we're not all living in Cali, my man and I live in a city of almost 200,000 people. Respectfully, that's not the average cost of a regular vehicle for an everyday worker and not ever close to the majority of people in the U.S. live near public transportation (you act like only a handful of people aren't near any-for real you believe that?) so yes a car is far more a necessity than a private jet... And if we are to blanket the country, are pastors not part of the average net worth? What percentage does their jet equal to, then? Blanketing is unwise in to trying to make a point for a person owning a car but not for the pastor who owns the jet. What is this anyway? End of the day, if your heart is all about status and enjoyment don't call it necessity, right? No matter what you've bought. End of the day pastors are called to a higher accountability before Almighty God and their JOB is to serve others not themselves with their tithe and offering that is supposed to go to ministry, and if he isn't a Billy Graham type he doesn't need to be flying all around to begin with. Financial accountability and annual budget meetings should be going on in every church so they know where every dollar is going and can vote on that. Pastors don't have to expect to go without unless it comes down to it, but extravagance should be kept to an occasional thing. The world is watching, and if we look just like them flashing the love of money, what kind of welcome to the heart of God is that? I'm fine driving my '95 Camry right now, fine with the same clothes that still fit that last one week that I've had for 4-5 years, fine with buying Asics shoes to help support my back, fine buying my kids their clothes at consignment sales, and fine cutting my own hair and theirs. I'm also fine with a Christian owning some nice things but not dripping in money. I don't see how you can feel like you are following the feet of Jesus to the lost and hurting if you're opting more often for funding your own pleasures than for funding one of the countless ministries that do what we are called to do (share the gospel and provide for people who cannot provide for themselves). I take issue with that-with desiring more money to begin with bc of intent of what a Christian desires to do with it, ESP for a person in a church leadership position. This is such a Westernized Christian conversation.
I just feel like for any Christian, it's just very unwise to spend any excessive sum of money on a jet, house, car, any sort of material thing. Even if it is well within means, and not a problem for the individual, the absolute cost still does matter because it is an absolute sum of money chosen to be spent in a way that can be judged unwise. I think spending money on self isn't always as innocent as we make it. Even for someone who is spending their own money, I believe that Christians are called to be good stewards meaning that money should never be spent unjustifiably. A Christian can use a private jet as a method of transportation, but owning one is completely unnecessary. Something Allan didn't mention was the enviromental cost of private jet usage, which is something a Christian should also be aware of as stewards of the earth. The overall cost of a private jet is simply not worth the benefit of usage or convenience. It is an extremely expensive and damaging transportation alternative that it would be wiser minimizing usage of. I think Christians and private jets are another topic that goes under the idea "Just because you can doesn't mean you should".
Jesse Duplantis uses his private jet to reach more people. I assume you're cool with that. I'm not intending this rudely either, but it doesn't matter what any man thinks is "overly expensive and not necessary," if God is cool with it it's cool right. Interestingly we see God is very cool with Abraham, Job, David, Solomon, Isaac, and Jacob all being ridiculously filthy rich. Job to such a degree that if he lived in our day he'd certainly offend many religious people today. Why did Job need all that cattle and property? The answer to that question doesn't matter, God was cool with it so it's cool. And Job was the RICHEST man in the east, meaning a man with a private jet-- who isn't the richest-- surely meets the criteria. Of course selfishness is evil, but God isn't against wealth and even endorses it.
@@JoshuaTCoe unless dude is flying to multiple cities a day, there's nothing he's doing with a private jet he can't do commercially. Also I doubt any of these ultra-wealthy preachers aren't using workarounds or straight exploitation to get the money they get, and that's before we even get to the theological concerns. At least the biblical characters were actually blessed by God
@@rayb96 That's the point, you don't know what he's doing so you can't make an assumption about it being overly lavish (not saying you are). At the end of the day a man having a private jet even just because he wants to live lavish could also not be a sin. The only one who can judge the hearts of men is God and that's ultimately what this issue comes down to. We can't look and see a man's wealth and great possessions, which we may think are overly lavish, and judge if his heart is evil concerning those things... so if a man is advancing the kingdom and leading people to Jesus it's only logical that that private jet is being used to win souls which God certainly isn't against and we shouldn't be either. God bless brother
@@richardcaraballo1185 its a tough comparison because the price difference between a jet a pair of shoes is to big to compare their situations. Especially since the pastor he was being compared to is just a hypothetical example not a real person.
No one says a pastor should poor. There is a big difference between a pastor who is blessed and has all his needs met vs a billionaire Also if you travel so much away from your church that you need a private jet, you’re not a pastor. You’re a public speaker
@@daryldaix3350 there should be pastors in all countries not just one. being a missionary doesn't mean having your own jet plane- you can reach more people if you interact with them not separate from them and if you're an online pastor well you don't need to fly. Jesus and the Apostol's had to walk and meet everyone along the way.
@@megchippendale529 Then you clearly haven't read ur bible because Jesus and Apostle didn't walk across the nation they had the transportation available to them at that time which were camels and donkey's. John went to Patmos do you think he walked? No Hence that's why jesus's ministry was centered around One place because his mode of transport at that time was limited. There's nothing wrong with having a private jet being rich as a pastor is not a SIN Abraham, Job, Jacob, Joseph, Daniel, Joseph of aritmatea, And all the kings of israel had wealth. Until you can show me in the bible where its wrong to be wealthy as a pastor as long as it's made the right way this discussion will not end. And To be a missionary you need a mode of transportation and the mode of transportation you use is based on the luxuries one can afford and you claim there should be pastors in all countries not only that's false but even if there was and so what? Does that mean one can't still go and preach the good news in those places? There's still cities and places within countries where people don't have access to the word nor to hear the goodnews. I would understand if you're against pastor who take from tithe and offering to buy PJ's that's WRONG and Pastors who do such will get what they deserve but A pastor who had his PJ's the HARD WORKING way and the right way you have no right to castrate judgments on him he is free to buy whatever he wishes as long as he doesn't make money is idol nor does he hoard his wealth. having a private jet is just a luxury like you having a car instead of walking is also a luxury and a privilege. I could also tell you why do you need car? You could also walk couldn't you?
Matthew 6:24 says “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.” If we have a filthy rich Pastor who says he loves and worships God, how come he is still able to love money…therefore loving both? Is he exempted?
I see your point in owning a car/jet is relative to your net worth. The average car in the road is not 47k. That’s the average price of a new car today after 2 years of strong inflation. I’m with Mykael on this one. Let Grant Cardone and Jay Z fly private but I think a pastor has no business dropping that kind of bread on a jet. Not a wise usage of money imo
I’m sorry, the guest homie didn’t seem to really be keeping it real. He seemed to be a lowkey hater and was just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing.
YES! I just said as much , but in a long winded way, before I saw your comment. He did not come into this w/ a posture of being open to widening his perspective. He started from a position of assumption.
The money spent on plane would be better used in so many different ways. You could feel the hungry and help homeless. Sell everything and follow me says Jesus. It shows money is the pastors weakness.
Ruslan: It depends on your net worth. DJ Mykael: Amen! P.S. Jokes aside, pastors are held to a higher standard and they should be aware of that and live according to that. 1 Timothy 3 talks about this and it's not a coincidence that it mentions that ministers shouldn't be "lovers of money" and should "have a good reputation with outsiders". Owning a private jet doesn't necessarily mean you are a lover of money but it is most definitely not a good look neither in the eyes of Christians, nor in the eyes of outsiders/non-believers.
everytime I read the first few chapters of Acts I wonder why Christians today can't do what they did and have everything in common... even I feel within myself that would be extremely challenging.. maybe just at first? and maybe there are some fellowships that do this... but I do think every fellowship should deeply consider what they did
@@MichaelAChristian1 that's for men. Men working doesn't mean they will have no need. Working also doesn't mean earning income as Paul made clear that pastors and teachers are and should collect their living from the gospel. Work is work, paid or not. So Paul worked among them so he was showing them an example, every human should work, a homemaker and a teacher or anyone, but you can still not have paid work so if you are not willing to work and contribute then you cannot eat and this applies to men only. Acts shows how we are supposed to be and love but the only people I see willing to do this are cults, it's a shame.
Parr talks about these popular pastors that the "world" loves needing private jets and many finances for privacy benefits, but the scriptures say that the world wont love you because they didnt love him (jesus). So what's the pastors motivation telling their congregation to give in church? Is it for the right reasons. If your that "popular" there is probably "prosperity teaching only" there is somthing wrong with that being so flashy like that to. I feel like the key issues here is "world populatity" Many true biblical teachers are not as popular as copland dont have finances like this for example. He does make some good points about using your money to bless others though, but "worldly" popularity speaks volumes. bless brother parr ❤
Respectfully, if you're wearing Jordan's and you are Renting thats a problem *lower expectations* I like this guest in the video. Christians gotta be careful on their prosperity and riches, if you have clean water and basic necessities you are richer than 88% of the World. A $60 million jet is a luxury, not a need. A pastor can remotely stream anywhere in the world. If we are representing Christ we gotta love. How many people can be feed with $60 million?
It’s not just the one person on the plane when it comes to these pastors. Most of the time they are traveling with their sound crew and other behind the scenes people. Having that many people with them on a commercial flight is hard to coordinate, especially if you have a set time speaking engagement.
A poor person isn't going to drive a new car, a person who is earning an average salary is probably not driving a new car. A pastor having a private jet is morally wrong, and that's the issue. He is leading a flock, and he is funding his lifestyle with I'll gotten gains - he is a crook, if he has got that money from his congregation. I'm baffled how this can be right.
Pastors are making money off the word of God! They are held to a higher standard than Christians. Period! Modesty for everyone, but different levels. If you want to make wealth off teaching, teach outside the word.
Pretty sure the Bible says pastors/teachers will be JUDGED by God with a higher standard, not that they should be held to a higher standard by us in their day to day living. Saying that pastors shouldn't do something simply because they're a pastor and implying that it would be fine for them to do that thing if they were in a different occupation sounds like we're trying to justify lowering the bar for ourselves and everyone else who isn't called to teach the Word. Not cool. We should all be reaching for the "teacher" standard of living and helping each other reach for that bar, regardless of what we're called to do, simply because we call ourselves Christians. If we're going to bear the name of Christ we ought to strive to do that to the best of our ability, not making excuses for poor behavior and unwise stewardship because "I'm not a pastor."
Self righteous judgment is a temptation that we all must acknowledge when it comes to how we way in on what we perceive to be right or wrong about others. We have to be careful on how we are defining what the problem is.
I am a pastor and I struggle with this topic. I believe that the crux of the issue is the heart. If the pastor has a generous heart and can still buy the things that others call extra then let them. I also believe that the pastor should be generous with there things as well.
I came to America at 24yrs old , And when I hear people tell me: “I am poor , struggling and have nothing “ I say to myself : “Yes, very poor mentality and spiritually “
Here is the cutoff. Yes, what is extravagant is RELATIVE to income level. The question is, does it stumble my weaker brother to show off my wealth in X way? If it does, and if I do not need the thing, I should choose not to stumble my brother. I'm sure there is a person out there somewhere that could have realistic and frequent needs for a private jet, and could justify it well. I'm also pretty sure that most of the ones we're thinking of probably don't NEED one. I also think these kinds of things can be a snare to the people who get them. I can't imagine that owning a big ticket item beyond the imagining of most average people does anything good to keep money from being an idol.
@10:30 I'm sorry but a personal vehicle is a necessity. We seem to forget that some areas do not have public transit. Major cities do. All non-urban areas that do not have public transit are not isolated boondocks. Many people live in areas that are car-dependent. Comparing personal vehicles with private jets is not the same thing. I live in the Washington DC metro area, for example. Many of the surrounding suburbs have access to Metro bus service, those that do not usually have a municipal version that would bring them in contact with Metro transit service. Areas further out may not even have that, making them car dependent. Personal vehicles are also a necessity for those who live in car-dependent areas and totally *need* a car to get to and from work. Sometimes it's not simply about getting from point A to point B; especially if getting from point A to point B means that you'll be able to sustain your family. We simply cannot say the same thing about a private jet.
@@BlessGodStudios My point wasn't about if you have access to public transit or not. Rather, that comparing the ownership of a personal car to a private jet isn't the same thing. And it isn't the same because you can't justify the need for owning a private jet to a personal vehicle in the same way. If someone needs a personal vehicle to access basic things to live - job, healthcare, groceries, etc - tell me how owning a private jet compares to that?
He asks, “What can 50M to for a community?” the same question could be ask for shoes “what can $1000 for them dead stocks do for a family?” He’s not being consistent at all to me.
I took an Aviation management class not that long ago. It turns out if you fly alot it's actually cheaper to own one and rent it out when you don't use it.
As a preacher you have so many looking to you not in idolatry but being a shepherd. I think it’s a bad look. Wealth is fine, money for a private jet is extreme
And the guy talking about the churches needing to help the struggling members of their congregation, most of them do. I know mine does and it’s a mega church. And they help people more than once. And they have financial classes to help them, as well. But with all of this support, prayer, information, and receiving money from the church for their bills, many of them still make bad financial choices.
Everything Alan said is true. Nothing wrong with a Pastor owning a private jet. We gotta stop this false humility and poverty mentality. Its not about a Pastor being important or not, if privacy is important to a Pastor, go for it. If convenience is important, go for it. We need to stop this hypocrisy of putting men of God under a standard we don't or intend to keep ourselves, and sadly that's what am seeing in this interview with your guest. Your guest needs a proper perspective.
Own your jet, but don't do it at the expense of your congregation and community. One of the complaints I hear is how churches don't reach back to povershed communities. It's true. Some churches are wealthy in the midst of the hood, **cough cough Detroit churches** and yet give back the bare minimum to the community. That's one of the two major issues here, the other being who's paying for it.
This topic showed how quick someone can go back and forth because of how they perceive themselves vs others. Ruslan killed it on the back and forth. Also, congrats to you and your fam for potentially getting the space y’all need. Praying that the Lord would continue to bless you and your fam and guide you all through the proper steps and relationships.
I agree with your boy with the beard on this one. I think proximity should be weighted heavily when discussing this subject in the context of pastors. In my opinion, Acts points to a local church model. Based on that, I think it's problematic that the pastor is traveling so much that he needs a private jet for convenience. One way that I think that It could actually work is if the pastor used their own private earnings outside of the tithe to purchase it. Another argument could be "evangelism", which there can be some gray area, but from what I am seeing most of the traveling is made for "speaking gigs" of crowds made up primarily of Christians lol. Love your boy Allen Parr though!
I’m starting to see the bison for the new channel and this might be my favourite move Ruslan’s made. Platforming other creators and having dope conversations. I think Mykael came across extremely well and contributed to an engaging conversation
The fact you are having this conversation should show you that it’s a stumbling block to a lot of people and has a negative impact. It should be pretty clear if you’re honest and not trying to justify it for possibly your own desires to have it…
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@@estherbeth2511 how can this be?
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I noticed that the focus of the discussion changed from Pastors having private jets to rich billionaires having private Jets.. Bottom line is Parr and Ruslan are wrong.. in addition most if not all of the pastors who brow beat their congregations into financing their opulent lifestyles are usually prosperity teachers.. which are "False Prophets" ! Probably would make more sense to charter flights when needed.. realistically if you're a pastor how many times a year are you traveling doing ministry to justify the astronomical costs of purchasing, maintaining and staffing a private jet ?
Well I am poorer than I thought I was LOL, but also very well taken care of by God, sitting at richer than 66% of the global population. I thought I was at 80%, I love this link!!
I'm okay with pastors being rich, as long as the money isn't coming from those donations in the church. (Book Deals, YT, Speaking events, Sponsorships)
LMAO
Spot on 👌🏽
Or using the church as a marketing tool for their business
@@dragoh7102 Theres a verse that goes "don't muzzle the ox that treads the corn", within reason of course.
It’s easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the gates of heaven
I agree with your guest!! He understands the role of a pastor. The role of a pastor is not to become a celebrity icon.
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I agree. A pastor is a shepherd.
A person’s calling could be that of a pastor but that pastor may have numerous gifts associated or disassociated with such calling. Your definition of Pastor is monogamous in nature. A pastor may also be a business person, governmental influencer, a financial mogul, a successful writer or lyricist. These gifts in no way devalue or illegitimize the
calling.
Bishop Horace E. Smith, M.D. fulfilled his “calling” and became pastor in 1980 of the Apostolic Faith Church, located in Chicago, Illinois, and has been pastor of that church for the past 43 years.
In addition to being a pastor, however, Bishop Smith is an attending physician specializing in Pediatric Hematology/Oncology at Ann & Robert H. Lurie Children’s Hospital of Chicago (formerly Children’s Memorial Hospital), for over 20 years, is an Assistant Professor of Pediatrics at Northwestern Feinberg School of Medicine, and is recognized world-wide as an outstanding pediatrician in his field. Thus, he is a world renowned pediatric hematologist and oncologist.
Dr. Smith’s vocation as a medical doctor specializing in hematology and oncology has absolutely nothing to do with his calling as a pastor. A pastor is only part of who he is not the sum total.
I agree with your guest 1000% he could be ministering to more people by on a commercial aircraft vs a private. Which as a follower of Jesus that’s what God calls you to do, is it not?
Pastors are NOT celebrities.
A pastor is a shepherd.
How privileged are we to even get to have the conversation. It's kind of disgusting. I think most of us in America have never looked into the eyes of a starving child. We've never sat next to an 8 yr old little girl being trained into prostitution so she can be assured of a meal every day. We've never considered the little boy selling straw flowers in a market on our cruise destination trying to raise money for a uniform so he can attend school. I've seen these kids. I've played with them and talked to them and hugged them.
I can't live in extravagance after what I've seen and experienced. Period. I think this is such an abstract convo. I would love to know how many pastors are actually billionaires that have obtained their funds ethically. We are talking about such a teeny tiny minority. Seriously. Respect reaching for a moral to this story, but pretty thin. Most Americans live in excess and we really, really hate being convicted about it. And all of us, including myself, probably could and should do better.
I appreciate you starting with yourself. Unfortunately you painted a bit of a false binary, one can have things for convenience like a car, AC, healthy food, a washer/dryer or even a PS5 while still giving to those in need. I think this comes down to vision. We’ve partnered with charity water and raised enough to build a clean water system for a full village that will change their life and create a huge ROI to them being able to farm and sustain themselves in the future. The issue is vision. Point to specific causes like charity water (which gives 100% of what they raise to their cause) and people will come together and do incredible things. But people also need to earn and be able to enjoy the fruits of their labor to fund these missions.
@@BlessGodStudios Maybe I didn't do a good job at getting my point across. We take our kids on vacation every year. We have no public transportation where I live, so yes we have 2 reliable cars. I stay at home with my kids and home school. We own a nice house. I very much realize my privilege.
I'm not totally disagreeing. I was trying to point out that, even though there are impoverished places in America, most of us can live our lives never turning our eyes on true poverty or need. Then it's easier to justify our extravagance because we don't even see it as extravagance. Most of us could do better, as I said, myself included. It's just not on our hearts and minds because materialism is in front of our eyes 24/7. Anyways, no hate. Love what you guys are doing here.
@@ChiChiLover_89 nicely said. I appreciate your honesty…
i feel like if the pastor is stewarding their money well and biblically…
then Do You Boo…Be a billionaire.
there's no need to feel terrible because of your privilege. The best anyone can and/or should do is to handle it responsibly. Nothing in life is equal across the board, there's almost always someone above and below you. As long as you aren't bullying the weak. You don't need to throw your dinner away because someone you aren't directly responsible for hasn't eaten lunch.
I grew up in Africa, and I can recognize that I have a lot of privileges that a lot of people never got. Not that life was easy, but it wasn't as hard as some that I've seen others live through. At the same time I also recognize that some people can still look at my childhood and marvel at what I've been through.
All this to say, don't feel bad for your privilege, but don't take it for granted either. Appreciate what you have and handle it responsibly. Be as generous as you can, but don't neglect your responsibility to yourself and those you are responsible for. Get yourself a steak if you can, be grateful not remorseful. Thank God everyday, and bless every meal before you eat, and thank Jesus that you never have to look into the eyes of a starving 8 year old.
If you built a business(outside the church) and can afford to fly private because of that, totally cool. If you’re talking about taking peoples tithes and offering for a private jet? Get out of here with all that
I hear you, but if the tithes & offering is used for church work anyways, why can't they buy a low end jet? Especially if they can find a way to recoup the money.
I agree bro
How else are they getting the money if the Church is their full time job? It is coming from the people...
Michael should know that there are Pastors in similar situation that he used to justify his owning a private jet.
I know a Pastor with Churches all over the world and he's so busy because of his engagements that flying commercial would literally be so inconvenient.
@@megchippendale529 if they had built a business prior to going into ministry
There was story of rich Christian couple who give 90% of their money away to charity / gospel causes annually and there were still filthy rich.
So, a billionaire can give 90% of his/her money away to charity and still be wealthy. It’s not a crime to enjoy the fruit of your labor.
The poverty mentality is destroying a lot church community especially in the black community.
As a black man myself this hit home comment of the day from me my g
Don't fall for the Okie doke. Many billionaires start charities for tax reason and they basically are "donating to themselves"...taking money out of the right hand and putting it in the left hand.
ESPECIALLY in the black church!!! So sad....
I’ve tithed in a church for a year… then asked for help with $750 rent for one month and got ignored. That is wrong. Even if you say, “pay us back in 3months”… but churches aren’t right when they don’t want to help people who attend and tithe imo. The Bible says give to the poor. Do you first ask “so why are you poor? Have you made bad decisions?” --no that’s Pharisee-talk. Blessing people comes without questioning.
@@MichaelAChristian1 amen
This is become a part of my problem as well. Often find that churches have no problem telling people to tithe but I've never seen churches not one, have workshops to develop skills to allow people to make more money. I might be onto something
Blessings everyone,
2 Corinthians 9:7
“So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.”
My entire life and childhood churches were helping us pay rent light bills and giving us food and clothes. I don't remember ever tithing
Tithing is unbiblical, it’s for the Levites it’s a Law like our tax. You only find that for the Jews to pay the priests who had no work. Not saying don’t donate, offerings and donations are always good, but tithing is NOT for the Christian church. churches who preach tithing are corrupt
“Do you want people to hear you or see you? Cus if you come in with the latest year big body Mercedes Benz they are going to see you but it’s going to change the way they hear you” -Tim Ross
We as Christians gain the wisdom to separate people from God but trust me, to the world when you carry the title of Christian you are a direct representative of our God.
Perfect way to put it💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
I love the way you said this! Thanks you!!!
IMO, people's issues with wealthy pastors mainly boil down to how the funds were acquired. Pastors living large off the back of their flock does leave a bad taste as does flaunting wealth while disregarding feeding and clothing the poor among you.
+1 +1 +1 +1 +1 THIS IS MY ONLY PROBLEM WITH IT. That's it. If a pastor owned multiple companies and got his wealth from that, then fine, do whatever you want with it. Now, if you are living lavishly off tithing, that's where I'll draw a line.
But if that pastor works hard to teach, provide spiritual and financial support for his flock then why can’t he enjoy the fruits of his labor? Not saying that he should live lavishly but if everyone in his church is given tithes and he has a large congregation then of course the quality of the things he buys might look flashy
@Light Talk With J&D Bc that's not biblical. Jesus is our High Priest and Shephard. That's who leaders should esteem to be. He gave up His Home, so that we could live. A good Shephard gives up His Life so The Flock can live.
@@selahrichardson Well there are MANY factors that your leaving out in what you just said. Yes, Jesus gave up everything (relying on his own supernatural power, leaving his throne, wealth etc) to give us everything we need but their are many factors your not considering. Jesus’ ministry was to the Jews first who were all in one area. So he didn’t need things like a car, or a plan or a fancy boat to travel (although he did have the luxury of using the boats and animals of his followers).
Both a pastor and Christian should live modestly but sometimes convinces overlaps with luxury. For example sometimes the most expensive thing can be the most time convenient way to travel or give a message
Youve missed the mark if you think that’s why most Bible reading Christians have a problem with Pastor wealth. These videos and subsequent responses show who really does, in fact, actually read the Bible. Shoot, it’s not even like it’s hidden in the corners and shadows of the Bible, and when you finally find those elusive passages you need help from biggest, baddest, rabbi around to understand them. They are some of Jesus’ most popularized thoughts and sayings. “It’s easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God”. And there are plenty more popular and obscure passages that cover this.
The forgotten issue here is that pastors will supplement their income by writing books, speak for business groups, etc. as their “side hustle” money. At that point, they’re focusing on making money. Let’s call a spade a spade. A lot of pastors, who are supposed to be the example, are attempting to live a life like the world…I want nothing to do with these people. And we wonder why the gospel is distorted…
What's wrong with being rich if your bible speaks so much about it?
@@JoshuaTCoe There is nothing 'wrong' with being rich. The root of all evil was not 'being rich'. It was more around the , how did they get rich, how did they use that money. As the money is not theirs, especially for pastors who are making money from the Word of God and the Flock buying their books.
@Brison Ball that is the big 'if' right? Would a generous person that is a pastor, that made their money off the name of God, got their source material from the Bible and then earned money off the Body of Christ, then buys a $10m mansion, luxury cars, boats and a plane, there is obviously something wrong with that. Where is the last pastor that has earned millions like this saying they gave away 90% of it completely, full stop? Why are they not just living off the resources salary from the Church and donate all profits from these side hustles?
And don’t forget how they go and buy a bunch their own books to drive up sales
@@danielkim672 check out ray comfort
This topic showed how quick someone can go back and forth because of how they perceive themselves vs others.
My hubby is a pastor. We have always served in multiple church situations. My first thought was that the commute between the churches would have to be a very great distance--I have heard of a parish in Alaska where the pastor used a prop plane to get from one church to another. Any instances I am aware of the plane would not be the pastor's personal plane, but belong to the ministry--the plane would have to serve a ministerial function (e.g. getting a pastor over long distances quickly, or getting food and emergency supplies somewhere that could not be accomplished easily by other means.
I reside in the hicks of Alabama and I was sitting here when you said “a car is not a necessity” thinking “uhhh I live in the COUNTRY we don’t have Uber or public transportation!” 😂
This man caught his whole hypocrisy in real time and flipped the script at the end 🤣🤣🤣 MULTIPLE PAIRS OF THOUSAND DOLLAR SHOES!?!? Come on man, I know the feet of those who preach are precious, but my man, you NEED those shoes FAR less than a traveling minister needs a jet.
Traveling ministers do not need the jets. And if you look up the videos where these pastors 1. Took money from their congregation for the jets 2. Said that the people on commercial flights are demons.
😂😂😂
Thanks for saying this. Always find it funny that some can sit back and criticise how others spend money YET the one criticising has their own 'flaws".
We are allowed to spend money as we please. When Jesus said, "The poor will always be with us", it was in relation to Judas criticising Mary for spending a year's worth on perfume. Judas criticised not because he really cared abt the poor.
So, like Mary, our money should be used to do as God says not what man says!
@Abena Asamoa I mean he kinda put it out there, like he said I have 50 pairs of yeezys so go ahead , judge bro.. 👨⚖️
I don't know much about brand-name shoes.... I was thinking maybe the shoes they were talking about were a couple hundred at most because that's a crazy amount to spend on shoes. When he said $1000 shoes my jaw dropped. He thinks dropping $1000 on shoes is reasonable for the average person??? Uh.... nope. Paying $1k for shoes is the same as having a private jet in my mind.
I agree!
Yes we need to draw the line when it comes to the material world. Evaluate your heart through the Holy spirit. Why spend $2,250.00 on a Lori Piana white t- shirt ? When you can get a decent quality pro club white t -shirt for $7. That's just insane!!!! The only thing I can come up with is those who do that only find their worth in money & material. Basically that's their god. Sad and empty.
Everyone wants to start doing math equations all of a sudden to justify their spending habits, but never keep that same energy when it comes to their benevolence spending. Pastors/Christian leaders love to "draw the line" in regards to helping people, then get uncomfortable when we tell them to draw the line on their gluttony/extravagance. My former campus pastor literally told a man asking for $40 for gas that he needed to get permission from the elder board to help him out. Talkin bout "we do that to keep from getting taken advantage of." SMH
One town we served in had a ministerial alliance which gave vouchers to people who showed up looking for help; they had a system where the stores and motel in town would take the vouchers and then bill the alliance for whatever was needed. Any pastor in town could give out any number of vouchers depending on the need. The churches paid a set amount to the alliance each month. If someone needed rent money, the alliance had a system to handle that as well.
@@diannalaubenberg7532 interesting program. That is about the Flock helping each other.
Allen Parr about to buy a jet😂😂😂😂 he just had to make that video first! Love Allen love his content…..Just get your pilot license and buy your own plane. 😂😂😂
Amen.
Matthew 6:20
“But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal”
But don't forget this one...
"Great wealth is in the house of the righteous, But trouble is in the income of the wicked."
Proverbs 15:6
You can store up your treasures i heaven while still being wealthy as long as u seek God first and he blesses u with that wealth
@@JoshuaTCoe This house (world) is not the righteous house and the wicked will have much trouble in the lake of fire.
That proverb is about everlasting life and death, not this temporary world we live in currently
Few things:
Net worth does not equal actual spendable income.
I don’t mind pastors being wealthy, but they should be wise with their wealth.
There have been multiple stories where these mega church pastors have begged their congregation to raise $ for private jets. Which says that the private jet has become a WANT not a NEED.
Do you have any sources on theses stories. I’m not saying In agreeing with you or disagreeing. I’m just interested and want to learn more about it.
I live in South Africa. Poverty here is endemic. I spent four months in America and was blown away by the wealth of the average family. The food that was wasted could feed a family here for a week. I truly feel that God has blessed America because you have on your coins and notes the words “In God we trust”.
Many in America live on debt and pay for things with borrowed money. Don't fall for the illusion.
There are many "tent cities and skid rows" in the USA and if not mistaken the USA leads the world in homelessness...Don't fall for the okie doke
🇿🇦 in Mzanzi we are facing challenging times.
That is true but best believe the people we put in charge of our country plays a big role. If black and coloured people stop voting ANC you will see a big change coming. Look at CPT for example...we get lower stages of loadshedding...and who runs the WC not the ANC.
U RIGHT.
Imagine someone in Ethiopia sees one of our pastors driving a brand new Chrysler. Not an outlandish vehicle by any stretch, but probably excessive compared to someone in Ethiopia struggling to feed their kids two cups of rice per day.
In a way, everyone in America in the middle class is excessive and wasteful to a large amount of people around the world.
Not a simple issue. I guess this is why God judges by the heart.
Hey bro ... I am from Ethiopia ... We know how we are perceived by the world etc ... but Its kinda is sad to see how our Country is depicted somehow ... but all that will change with God.
@@socb5642 I truly apologize if that came across as negative. That was really sloppy of me.
What I really meant to say is that, the US is wealthy compared to most countries around the world, and that wealth is relative.
I probably shouldn’t have used a specific example, because I know there are lots of very successful people in your country.
“The bread that you hold back belongs to the hungry. The coat that you guard in a chest belongs to the naked. The shoes that you have left wasting away belong to the shoeless. The silver that you have buried in the ground belongs to the needy. In these and other ways you have wronged all those you were able to provide for.”
Basil The Great
I don't understand how he can justify himself having several yeezys and that's okay because he can afford it but the price of his yeezys can change so many children's lives around the world. But a Pastor who can afford to buy a private jet to move around and spread the gospel isn't allowed to do that even though they can afford it.
Fair point... 😬 I think if we're all honest, we spend money on lots of things that serve no utility.
I think those two incomes levels differ so great that the argument is moot. Let's Say DJ Mykael V makes $200,000 (I have no idea how much he makes; I'm just making up a number as an example). If he gave away 75% to charitable causes, he'd be left with $50,000, which is about the average American salary. If a pastor who makes $2 million a year gave away 75% of his yearly income, he'd be left with $500,000, still leaving him nearly in the top 1% of all American earners. To contextualize matters in terms of what one can "afford" doesn't really make much sense here.
@@M-JACOY It seems it does make sense here. If there is no objective standard for giving and there isn’t, then we cannot force people to give and if those people both earned their money honestly, it is not the fault of the richer man that he was paid more, his labor was simply worth more to the people or company who paid it. Also if each gives equally in percentage then they are both equal in their glory to God. The woman who stepped forward to Jesus and gave mere pennies was said to have given more than all the rich men who laid down extravagantly, but what they gave was still a small portion of their wealth compared to the pennies being a large portion of the woman’s wealth. So it seems to be the issue is portion (percentage). It’s not a moot point, I don’t think anyways. If we are giving generously as God has put on our hearts, and are earning our living honestly. Then the way we increase our portion but still follow God is to give generously, but work hard and also attempt to abundantly provide for our families while also being able to give more. It seems that would be incentive to work harder. Solomon and David were rich. Paul and The apostles were poor. All were glorified unto God. There were rich people Jesus blessed and poor people Jesus blessed. It seems the line to decide if someone is giving generously is only decided by portion and that is unto each person’s heart as directed by God. What you have left over is either due to greed, or valuable work. I would say these jet flying pastors are due to greed, as they flaunt the jets. But I would say the same about someone who wears flashy clothes. But in each case I’m not sure of that person’s heart. My family has a Yukon, some may call that flaunting, but I really only wanted to ride comfortably with my family of 5 and we could afford it, to that outside observer my heart does not matter just the appearance. I think the amount of income matters because it’s something to strive for as long our hearts stay in the right place. The percentage of giving matters because it shows where your priorities lie as well.
@@tyleradamson7242 Great response, Tyler! I still see a few things differently though. The poor widow is a great example. I think that discussion is grander than just portions. In other words, it's not merely that the widow gave a large portion of her wealth; it's what that sacrifice meant to her. Let's juxtapose that with, say, Elon Musk whose network is about 263 billion dollars. If Musk were to give away 99% of his net worth, he'd still be left with ... over 2 BILLION dollars. Yes, this is a sacrifice, but there would minimal change in lifestyle (law of diminishing returns). So you see, acknowledging the percentage given is inadequate in understanding the real sacrifice made.
I know of missionaries who have used planes and boats to reach people in remote areas. What doesn't make sense to me is for a pastor to have a private jet because they don't have a reason to travel that much. If they are staying close to their flock, where are they flying to?
These rich ministers are a traveling ministry. Again I don’t agree with having a private jet as an excuse to travel in privacy. You can get first class. Really you don’t need first class. No one really bothers you on a plane. Everyone minds their business.
If you can’t travel as much unless you fly private then don’t travel as much.
Very good discussion. I would only add this as a Pastor myself. When the Bible speaks of a higher standard, we have to be careful of what we apply “higher standard” to. That’s about our life, meaning character, and rightly dividing the Word of God. Not the amount of money that we spend in relation to what we earn. Stewardship is a Christian principle that is no higher or lower for a Pastor. I do not live an extravagant life however we do have to balance when we say higher standard and apply that appropriately. Great video Fam!
This is dope! Literally the conversations I have with myself. Big ups to you both 😤
I agree 100% with your guest. Pastors are called to live like Jesus as an example. Jesus, St Paul weren’t looking for a extravagant lifestyle, though they could’ve probably done it. They were living a life as examples to shepherding. Imagine Jesus collecting before his ministering to others.
I disagree but fully respectfully of you, Ruslan.
Paul said.jesus was poor so we could be rich?
@@esosa.godsgirl6282 I never wrote that at all. St Paul lived a very humble life and relied on his ministry and followers of Christ to have food to eat and stayed in their homes as he preached the good news. You misunderstood.
But aren’t we all called to live like Jesus?
@@KennethTownsell absolutely! Not making money above and beyond off the word of God. That’s done for free - but those in a preaching/pastoral/priest position a humble and minimalist life if that’s the source of income. Extra money should come from outside sources - not the word.
But his guest has multiple pairs of $1000 shoes
It's great that you guys take the time to talk about this topics. Totally in agreement with that if you are a christian and rich because of you good choices, you can buy whatever you want, but not with the church's money. And as christians we should afirm and encourage generousity. God Bless
I 99% agree... if a pastor is paid a salary, that salary is agreed upon by the church, and it is a payment for a service rendered. That salary is no longer the churches money.
This thing that confuses the Hell out of me is rich Pastors preying on the innocent getting millions of dollars to fund their agendas but an average pastor getting arrested for watering a fellow brother & sisters plants and he was already given the go ahead to do it!! Like WTF??? How does this happen?
Thank you for making this video. For a long time I have felt that this is an issue with people. To judge someone else based on what we think they should have.
The point of all this is ….NO MATTER WHAT GOD HAS BLESSED YOU WITH(MONEY, CARS, CLOTHES, HOMES, AND EVEN 😢PRIVATE JETS…ETC.!) THE DIFFERENCE IS IF WHATEVER IT MAY BE GETS IN THE WAY OF HOW WE TREAT OTHERS. ANYTHING THAT A MAN IDOLIZES BEFORE OR OVER GOD, IS NOT ACCEPTABLE IN HIS EYES! PSALMS 115:4-8 And there’s many many more within the Bible that speaks on this issue. So as long as you’re not placing it above God or mistreating others behind it & are simply just thankful to God for this blessing, you should not be worried.
Instead of raising your standard of living you should raise your standard of giving! It’s easy to say this when you have nothing , there’s nothing with bettering your own life but we must align ourselves with God’s will for our lives and make sure we are as generous as he wants us to be. There is no right answer, this is about your life with God. I personally don’t think I would have a private jet not matter how rich I was. As a minister I don’t believe it’s spiritually healthy to be so busy to even need one for convenience.
I appreciate Ruslan for touching on both points but this ENTIRE conversation is about financial wisdom and generosity. No shepherd should have a jet, lavish jewelry, clothes, shoes etc while the community is impoverished! Yes, some ppl do make poor financial decisions but most ppl aren't even making enough but some pastors will make them feel terrible for not paying tithes yet he has a massive home, several cars, a walk in closet full of brand name clothes, shoes, jewelry and accessories!
Don't get me wrong, I like nice things as well but there is no way I can see ppl struggling and send up a pray then hop on a plane and go on my way! A lot of these so called pastors need to seek God because a lot of their actions are about self under the guise of doing the work of the Lord!
How do we help them earn more and be more responsible?
@@BlessGodStudios
What if they ARE responsible ?
Furthermore..... guys like Ken Copeland...Joel Osteen.....Furtick.... Joyce Meyer are false teachers !
Copeland is supposedly worth a billion dollars. This is just not about buying a 60 million dollar plane. But also what does that pastor give to his flock. Spiritually and "financially". Not just one family that makes bad decisions....what if they make good decisions and are just poor ?
Why a 60 million dollar plane....why not 30 or 20. Plus as you said the upkeep.
It's very very hard to justify a preacher today with being a billionaire. Compared to having a car. Why not buy a nice expensive SUV have someone drive you and still have your privacy ? I know it's repetitious but it's very hard to justify a preacher to be a billionaire and also have a 60 million dollar plane. Which Copeland has two (2) Sorry I'm not buying into the argument as much especially with those pastors... considering who they are. But I don't have to answer for them....just myself and that's hard enough.
I totally agree. A pastor should set a good example of what Christian living means - and a lavish lifestyle is certainly not it!
@@BlessGodStudios Sent them to Dr Ramsay lol. But it is hard unless that individual has the will and patience. Sometimes they do , sometimes they don't. There is no 'blanket' program that will help people earn more and be more responsible. That is on that individual. You often see even siblings growing up in the same family having totally different outcomes.
A person’s calling could be that of a pastor but that pastor may have numerous gifts associated or disassociated with such calling. Your definition of Pastor is monogamous in nature. A pastor may also be a business person, governmental influencer, a financial mogul, a successful writer or lyricist. These gifts in no way devalue or illegitimize the
calling.
Bishop Horace E. Smith, M.D. fulfilled his “calling” and became pastor in 1980 of the Apostolic Faith Church, located in Chicago, Illinois, and has been pastor of that church for the past 43 years.
In addition to being a pastor, however, Bishop Smith is an attending physician specializing in Pediatric Hematology/Oncology at Ann & Robert H. Lurie Children’s Hospital of Chicago (formerly Children’s Memorial Hospital), for over 20 years, is an Assistant Professor of Pediatrics at Northwestern Feinberg School of Medicine, and is recognized world-wide as an outstanding pediatrician in his field. Thus, he is a world renowned pediatric hematologist and oncologist.
Dr. Smith’s vocation as a medical doctor specializing in hematology and oncology has absolutely nothing to do with his calling as a pastor. A pastor is only part of who he is not the sum total.
Wealth does not equal greed and predatory behavior. Neither does poverty equate to being pious or righteous.
What could 50million do for a group of people? Like I can't believe a pastor would spend that much on themselves. It's called selfishness. I can't believe this is being defended.
That's reasonable but think of how many people can be fed with 500 dollars: That's 5,000 meals for people who need food. Yet, some Christian spend that same money on a PS5 to play video games and waste their time since they are bored. Should Christians never spend on themselves because of this? No, they are allowed to spend significantly on themselves, as long as they lead a life that is generous to the poor.
Let's pose a hypothetical scenario: imagine you work a 9 to 5 and after you work, their is a donation box that you always put $20 in. However, after work one time, you decided to not to put any money in the box and spend that on a toy in a store that you wanted. Does this mean you don't live a generous lifestyle? Of course not, and this isn't even accounting for the wealthy Christians who donate 40-50% of their wealth, while still having money left over to live an extravagant lifestyle (assuming that it isn't showy). So many Christians in the Bible were filthy rich and spent on themselves but this wasn't considered a sin. It's only a sin when you aren't charitable to others, or you're obtaining your money (that you either earned/God blessed you with) dishonestly.
“The poor you will always have with you.” That’s literally after they scolded a woman for wasting a very expensive perfume on Jesus. There’s nothing wrong with being RICH.
I think you’re a little off base. Ruslan isn’t defending it. He’s saying if you made the money then do you. But if you got that money from the church, the church should have used that money for the betterment of the church or surrounding community. Whether a person is worth billions or just hundreds, we don’t have any biblical or moral principle to tell that person what to do or not do with their money if they inherited it or earned it. As far as this conversation goes it seems Ruslan and Allan are against the pastors we see that are getting congregations to donate for a jet.
No one is arguing wealth is not bad. We are talking about 50 plus million not 10k or a 350k reasonable house. Obviously everyone has to make their own choices but the question will always come down to is do I need to get a private jet for 50mil I'm guessing probably not. It's a good argument but I would also personally and this is me and not judging anyone. I personally could not buy a Lamborghini for 250 350k just to have a sick car and then go and see all the people that need the help. Who knows what you could do with the 200 to 300k you save by just buying a regular car. So to each their own but 50mil thats massive. You could change so many people's lives with that.
@@CollectableGold but the key detail is HOW you got your money and if you're living a charitable lifestyle in general
why do we always ignore Matthew 19:24 famously saying “it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God”?
Jesus was addressing people who thought being rich meant that they were right with God.
@@fh1980ram okay then 1 John 2:15-17
Ecclesiastes 5:10
Luke 8:14
Luke 16:13-14
1 Timothy 6:9-10
Proverbs 28:20
Matthew 6:19-21
Proverbs 30:8-9
We don’t. But two things.
1. Globally speaking, if you’re writing this on a smart phone or computer, Myriam YOU ARE THE RICH. And to whom much is given much is required.
2. That passage is about salvation. Go read it. It’s not about rich people not making it to heaven. It’s about it being impossible to saved without God
@@MyriamBernard13 I believe there are many charlatans who fleece the flock for their own gain, and the love of God is not in them. I also don't agree with Alan Parr's points, but I don't believe rich people won't go to heaven for being rich.
@@BlessGodStudios I agreed to that above your comment, brother but I also gave a dozen more verses that seem to back up my school of thought. I am not the rich. I also never said we HAVE to live poor, but why not just comfortable and satisfied? Like a roof over my head, food on my table, savings for emergencies and future funds? Why designer clothes and private jets?
So I live in a "million dollar" home in Texas and you know what I call it when guests come? Welcome to the manifestation of the goodness of the LORD!!! I am very grateful for what GOD has blessed us with and we are empty nesters. Although my son said he is moving back home after he graduates from college (that is a whole other story) 🙄. Anyway, did I need it -NO especially since my pervious home was paid off for many years doing the Dave Ramsey plan.
“No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.” Matthew 6:24
Me personally lol Allen Parr made sense. I think people get easily tripped up on the surface level talk. He's not necessarily encouraging wealthy pastors to get private jets, but he's encouraging us to be more critical thinkers and look past the supposed gimmick, and also give people grace by expanding our perspective and worldview beyond just our own paradigm. I can't judge people who get first class plane tickets just because i'm not on that level yet. When that happens, then I'll see. This sort of parallels the Dunning-Kruger effect, but in terms of financial wealth. In conclusion, we can relax lol.
I actually had one of my old pastors DEFEND these pastors with private jets! She claimed that we never knew how God would use these people to reach others.....but also this preacher looking back was part of the new age reformation movement as well so......
How did the early church operate?
42They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43A sense of awek came over everyone, and the apostles performed many wonders and signs.
44All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45Selling their possessions and goods, they shared with anyone who was in need.
46With one accord they continued to meet daily in the temple courtsl and to break bread from house to house, sharing their meals with gladness and sincerity of heart, 47praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.
How about if a pastor buys a plane with “his own money” BECAUSE “his own money” is enough to buy a plane only because he writes a book, and his church bought thousands and thousands of copies of said book so it hits the best seller lists and then church mandates to the many small groups they need to be purchasing said book for their group meetings. 🤔🤔🤔
That sounds like good ol fashioned abuse of power.
Why should pastors write books when Yahweh already gave us his books? Pastor book will not explain Yah's word better than Yah will
100% agree with your guest. Pastors are measured by a different standard. I can say with all truth that most people have way more than they need in the Western world. I live in SA 🇿🇦 and bro....lol.... I've seen it ALL. Money can really corrupt people.... I believe, in general, as a Christian.... live modestly and be a blessing to others....be generous in ALL things...your time, energy, wisdom and money. Great video ✝️
Me when ruslan compared the jet to yeezys:
“Ladies and gentlemen, we got ‘em”
Yup.
😂
Ruslan and Allen Parr are ON POINT with this one. We should allll look at ourselves and examine the plank.
The Apostle Paul's Private jet was an absolute need. He couldn't have gotten a long without it
I’d stand by Pastor’s not having private jets due to the fact that leaders in the faith are held to a higher standard across the board.
James 3:1: Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness.
If you decide to take up that mantle you have to understand the weight of it. I don’t have a definite stance on the matter I’ll have to dig a little deeper, but I do believe that if you are a believer with access to that kind of capital, you’ll really have to sit down before God and ask yourself if it’s necessary.
Personally I think the better bet would be to buy significant shares in a company with private chartering if that’s possible and then you can get access to private flights without burning that excessive amount of capital, and you can use what you would’ve spent on maintenance now helping people.
But I’m clarifying again I’m just sharing where I stand thus far.
The only affirmative stance I have this far is that Pastors should be held to a higher standard according to James 3:1
nah this aint it, there is NO WAY anyone NEEDS a private jet, very different than a car lol poor people AND rich people can and probably do own cars, can't say the same for a private jet. no one NEEDS one to survive. why is this even being argued lol
edit** I do also think that pastors are held to a higher standard too though
Did you watch the video?
few ppl need private jets but should we only have things we absolutely need? i have plenty of things i dont need.
@@MisterBenevolent3 um yes? How does my comment still not stand? Lol do you need me to explain it better?
@@k.h.a.l.i.l. so do I Khalil but maybe we shouldn't. I made a comment on this page somewhere else that I think its ok to chase the freedom of NOT being poor (being safe and secure) but why keep going? Why chase WEALTH? The Bible is ridden with verses that state too much earthly wealth can be dangerous for all of us. I think when you make it a goal, it takes a little space and energy away from your goal of pleasing God in every way, with every breath. I wouldn't stand on the street and judge my Christian brothers and sisters but I WOULD call out pastors for it. I would NEVER EVER follow a man who claims his church needs a private jet. Ruslan brought up charters and I can kind of agree with that a lil more but still, you better RLY need it lol
@@MyriamBernard13 That’s why this topic is being argued. That’s my point. You watch, they talk. Simple.
Money isn’t the problem, it’s the “love of money.”
Problem is most with a lot of money love money. If they didn't love money, they wouldn't have a lot of it
And as Scripture says "Whoever loves money, never have enough money; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income" (Ecclesiastes 5.10)
The pastors who are buying private jets (Creflo Dollar, Benny Hinn and the rest of the TBN preachers) are the pioneers of the prosperity gospel
Kenneth Copeland with a mansion, his own airport and private jet and 200 acres. I would just guess he is about the love of money.
I think Mykael is right in the sense that Pastors are held to a different standard. They should be the model for us. I don't think a Christian should own a private jet, however a Pastor is held at a higher standard and they should be the example for us to be more generous. So for example, a Christian with a private jet should be led by the shepherd to become more generous. Even if that means keeping the jet, using it for people in the church and using it for different purposes other than personal leisure use. Again, there is wisdom in all of this and wisdom in finances.
Here's my wondering on this: If a pastor has a jet and can afford all of costs in utilizing it on a regular basis, and we are comparing that to a Joe Schmo owning a car, then the spending on either should be an equal percentage for each person's net worth, with equal percentages budgeted out for everything else-all proportioned out equally in conjunction with each person's (pastor man and Joe Schmo's net worths/annual budgets, respectively). Ok, so if that is a thing and it can be broken down like that, I just want to know what kind of income this pastor has his hands on to begin with and why. I don't know of any pastors with private jets that don't have a megachurch and those are typically in operation based off of the prosperity gospel "model" of preaching, which is exactly what Christians should not be promoting to begin with. So let's find out which pastors have these jets and what type of preaching styles they are using.
Then let's couple that with some New Testament, 1st century church living, not the OT (not-pastor/prophets) who had it made, while looking at verses like James 3:1 and Hebrews 13:17. This "apples to apples" is invalid as an argument. I don't know one person driving a car worth as much as you said is the "average cost"...we're not all living in Cali, my man and I live in a city of almost 200,000 people. Respectfully, that's not the average cost of a regular vehicle for an everyday worker and not ever close to the majority of people in the U.S. live near public transportation (you act like only a handful of people aren't near any-for real you believe that?) so yes a car is far more a necessity than a private jet...
And if we are to blanket the country, are pastors not part of the average net worth? What percentage does their jet equal to, then? Blanketing is unwise in to trying to make a point for a person owning a car but not for the pastor who owns the jet.
What is this anyway? End of the day, if your heart is all about status and enjoyment don't call it necessity, right? No matter what you've bought. End of the day pastors are called to a higher accountability before Almighty God and their JOB is to serve others not themselves with their tithe and offering that is supposed to go to ministry, and if he isn't a Billy Graham type he doesn't need to be flying all around to begin with. Financial accountability and annual budget meetings should be going on in every church so they know where every dollar is going and can vote on that.
Pastors don't have to expect to go without unless it comes down to it, but extravagance should be kept to an occasional thing. The world is watching, and if we look just like them flashing the love of money, what kind of welcome to the heart of God is that? I'm fine driving my '95 Camry right now, fine with the same clothes that still fit that last one week that I've had for 4-5 years, fine with buying Asics shoes to help support my back, fine buying my kids their clothes at consignment sales, and fine cutting my own hair and theirs. I'm also fine with a Christian owning some nice things but not dripping in money. I don't see how you can feel like you are following the feet of Jesus to the lost and hurting if you're opting more often for funding your own pleasures than for funding one of the countless ministries that do what we are called to do (share the gospel and provide for people who cannot provide for themselves). I take issue with that-with desiring more money to begin with bc of intent of what a Christian desires to do with it, ESP for a person in a church leadership position.
This is such a Westernized Christian conversation.
I just feel like for any Christian, it's just very unwise to spend any excessive sum of money on a jet, house, car, any sort of material thing. Even if it is well within means, and not a problem for the individual, the absolute cost still does matter because it is an absolute sum of money chosen to be spent in a way that can be judged unwise. I think spending money on self isn't always as innocent as we make it. Even for someone who is spending their own money, I believe that Christians are called to be good stewards meaning that money should never be spent unjustifiably. A Christian can use a private jet as a method of transportation, but owning one is completely unnecessary. Something Allan didn't mention was the enviromental cost of private jet usage, which is something a Christian should also be aware of as stewards of the earth. The overall cost of a private jet is simply not worth the benefit of usage or convenience. It is an extremely expensive and damaging transportation alternative that it would be wiser minimizing usage of. I think Christians and private jets are another topic that goes under the idea "Just because you can doesn't mean you should".
Jesse Duplantis uses his private jet to reach more people. I assume you're cool with that. I'm not intending this rudely either, but it doesn't matter what any man thinks is "overly expensive and not necessary," if God is cool with it it's cool right. Interestingly we see God is very cool with Abraham, Job, David, Solomon, Isaac, and Jacob all being ridiculously filthy rich. Job to such a degree that if he lived in our day he'd certainly offend many religious people today. Why did Job need all that cattle and property? The answer to that question doesn't matter, God was cool with it so it's cool. And Job was the RICHEST man in the east, meaning a man with a private jet-- who isn't the richest-- surely meets the criteria. Of course selfishness is evil, but God isn't against wealth and even endorses it.
@@JoshuaTCoe unless dude is flying to multiple cities a day, there's nothing he's doing with a private jet he can't do commercially. Also I doubt any of these ultra-wealthy preachers aren't using workarounds or straight exploitation to get the money they get, and that's before we even get to the theological concerns. At least the biblical characters were actually blessed by God
@@rayb96 That's the point, you don't know what he's doing so you can't make an assumption about it being overly lavish (not saying you are). At the end of the day a man having a private jet even just because he wants to live lavish could also not be a sin. The only one who can judge the hearts of men is God and that's ultimately what this issue comes down to. We can't look and see a man's wealth and great possessions, which we may think are overly lavish, and judge if his heart is evil concerning those things... so if a man is advancing the kingdom and leading people to Jesus it's only logical that that private jet is being used to win souls which God certainly isn't against and we shouldn't be either. God bless brother
Listening to this conversation was like banging my head against the wall.
Why?
@@richardcaraballo1185 YES!.
@@richardcaraballo1185 only if that Pastor is using what he gained to help others in need.
God blesses us so we in turn bless others.
I have a problem with any Pastor enriching themselves from the gospel.
@@richardcaraballo1185 its a tough comparison because the price difference between a jet a pair of shoes is to big to compare their situations. Especially since the pastor he was being compared to is just a hypothetical example not a real person.
No one says a pastor should poor. There is a big difference between a pastor who is blessed and has all his needs met vs a billionaire
Also if you travel so much away from your church that you need a private jet, you’re not a pastor. You’re a public speaker
Yes there are too many Public Speakers, they need to stop using the name of Jesus
That’s ridiculous what if a man of God is preaching to many other countries? What if he’s also being a missionary.
@@daryldaix3350 there should be pastors in all countries not just one. being a missionary doesn't mean having your own jet plane- you can reach more people if you interact with them not separate from them and if you're an online pastor well you don't need to fly. Jesus and the Apostol's had to walk and meet everyone along the way.
@@megchippendale529 Then you clearly haven't read ur bible because Jesus and Apostle didn't walk across the nation they had the transportation available to them at that time which were camels and donkey's. John went to Patmos do you think he walked? No Hence that's why jesus's ministry was centered around One place because his mode of transport at that time was limited. There's nothing wrong with having a private jet being rich as a pastor is not a SIN Abraham, Job, Jacob, Joseph, Daniel, Joseph of aritmatea, And all the kings of israel had wealth. Until you can show me in the bible where its wrong to be wealthy as a pastor as long as it's made the right way this discussion will not end. And To be a missionary you need a mode of transportation and the mode of transportation you use is based on the luxuries one can afford and you claim there should be pastors in all countries not only that's false but even if there was and so what? Does that mean one can't still go and preach the good news in those places? There's still cities and places within countries where people don't have access to the word nor to hear the goodnews. I would understand if you're against pastor who take from tithe and offering to buy PJ's that's WRONG and Pastors who do such will get what they deserve but A pastor who had his PJ's the HARD WORKING way and the right way you have no right to castrate judgments on him he is free to buy whatever he wishes as long as he doesn't make money is idol nor does he hoard his wealth. having a private jet is just a luxury like you having a car instead of walking is also a luxury and a privilege. I could also tell you why do you need car? You could also walk couldn't you?
@@megchippendale529 amen
Matthew 6:24 says “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.” If we have a filthy rich Pastor who says he loves and worships God, how come he is still able to love money…therefore loving both? Is he exempted?
I see your point in owning a car/jet is relative to your net worth. The average car in the road is not 47k. That’s the average price of a new car today after 2 years of strong inflation. I’m with Mykael on this one. Let Grant Cardone and Jay Z fly private but I think a pastor has no business dropping that kind of bread on a jet. Not a wise usage of money imo
I’m sorry, the guest homie didn’t seem to really be keeping it real. He seemed to be a lowkey hater and was just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing.
YES! I just said as much , but in a long winded way, before I saw your comment. He did not come into this w/ a posture of being open to widening his perspective. He started from a position of assumption.
The money spent on plane would be better used in so many different ways. You could feel the hungry and help homeless. Sell everything and follow me says Jesus. It shows money is the pastors weakness.
Ruslan: It depends on your net worth.
DJ Mykael: Amen!
P.S. Jokes aside, pastors are held to a higher standard and they should be aware of that and live according to that. 1 Timothy 3 talks about this and it's not a coincidence that it mentions that ministers shouldn't be "lovers of money" and should "have a good reputation with outsiders". Owning a private jet doesn't necessarily mean you are a lover of money but it is most definitely not a good look neither in the eyes of Christians, nor in the eyes of outsiders/non-believers.
everytime I read the first few chapters of Acts I wonder why Christians today can't do what they did and have everything in common... even I feel within myself that would be extremely challenging.. maybe just at first? and maybe there are some fellowships that do this... but I do think every fellowship should deeply consider what they did
@@MichaelAChristian1 that's for men. Men working doesn't mean they will have no need. Working also doesn't mean earning income as Paul made clear that pastors and teachers are and should collect their living from the gospel. Work is work, paid or not. So Paul worked among them so he was showing them an example, every human should work, a homemaker and a teacher or anyone, but you can still not have paid work so if you are not willing to work and contribute then you cannot eat and this applies to men only. Acts shows how we are supposed to be and love but the only people I see willing to do this are cults, it's a shame.
Parr talks about these popular pastors that the "world" loves needing private jets and many finances for privacy benefits, but the scriptures say that the world wont love you because they didnt love him (jesus). So what's the pastors motivation telling their congregation to give in church? Is it for the right reasons. If your that "popular" there is probably "prosperity teaching only" there is somthing wrong with that being so flashy like that to. I feel like the key issues here is "world populatity" Many true biblical teachers are not as popular as copland dont have finances like this for example. He does make some good points about using your money to bless others though, but "worldly" popularity speaks volumes. bless brother parr ❤
Respectfully, if you're wearing Jordan's and you are Renting thats a problem *lower expectations*
I like this guest in the video. Christians gotta be careful on their prosperity and riches, if you have clean water and basic necessities you are richer than 88% of the World.
A $60 million jet is a luxury, not a need. A pastor can remotely stream anywhere in the world. If we are representing Christ we gotta love. How many people can be feed with $60 million?
All i would say is 1Co 10:23
All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient:all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
It’s not just the one person on the plane when it comes to these pastors. Most of the time they are traveling with their sound crew and other behind the scenes people. Having that many people with them on a commercial flight is hard to coordinate, especially if you have a set time speaking engagement.
A poor person isn't going to drive a new car, a person who is earning an average salary is probably not driving a new car. A pastor having a private jet is morally wrong, and that's the issue. He is leading a flock, and he is funding his lifestyle with I'll gotten gains - he is a crook, if he has got that money from his congregation. I'm baffled how this can be right.
Pastors are making money off the word of God! They are held to a higher standard than Christians. Period!
Modesty for everyone, but different levels. If you want to make wealth off teaching, teach outside the word.
Pretty sure the Bible says pastors/teachers will be JUDGED by God with a higher standard, not that they should be held to a higher standard by us in their day to day living.
Saying that pastors shouldn't do something simply because they're a pastor and implying that it would be fine for them to do that thing if they were in a different occupation sounds like we're trying to justify lowering the bar for ourselves and everyone else who isn't called to teach the Word. Not cool.
We should all be reaching for the "teacher" standard of living and helping each other reach for that bar, regardless of what we're called to do, simply because we call ourselves Christians. If we're going to bear the name of Christ we ought to strive to do that to the best of our ability, not making excuses for poor behavior and unwise stewardship because "I'm not a pastor."
Principal, personal conviction and our witness, all have to be taken into account.
Here is another question for y’all: do you think Christians should where clothes (Jordan’s, Yeezys) that were made from sweatshops?
@yvette valmond do you know if the clothing you wear uses sweatshops or not? Im asking sincerely not to condemn.
Self righteous judgment is a temptation that we all must acknowledge when it comes to how we way in on what we perceive to be right or wrong about others. We have to be careful on how we are defining what the problem is.
I am a pastor and I struggle with this topic. I believe that the crux of the issue is the heart. If the pastor has a generous heart and can still buy the things that others call extra then let them. I also believe that the pastor should be generous with there things as well.
I came to America at 24yrs old ,
And when I hear people tell me:
“I am poor , struggling and have nothing “
I say to myself :
“Yes, very poor mentality and spiritually “
Does anyone truly believe with reading the Bible. Does anyone believe Jesus would buy a private jet and spend all that on himself.
I don't think anyone believes that, but they sure will justify it.
I watched this video to the end and must say, I have been greatly blessed, Thank you!
"You have a home" quote of the day 😂😂😂👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Here is the cutoff. Yes, what is extravagant is RELATIVE to income level. The question is, does it stumble my weaker brother to show off my wealth in X way? If it does, and if I do not need the thing, I should choose not to stumble my brother.
I'm sure there is a person out there somewhere that could have realistic and frequent needs for a private jet, and could justify it well. I'm also pretty sure that most of the ones we're thinking of probably don't NEED one. I also think these kinds of things can be a snare to the people who get them. I can't imagine that owning a big ticket item beyond the imagining of most average people does anything good to keep money from being an idol.
@10:30 I'm sorry but a personal vehicle is a necessity. We seem to forget that some areas do not have public transit. Major cities do. All non-urban areas that do not have public transit are not isolated boondocks. Many people live in areas that are car-dependent. Comparing personal vehicles with private jets is not the same thing. I live in the Washington DC metro area, for example. Many of the surrounding suburbs have access to Metro bus service, those that do not usually have a municipal version that would bring them in contact with Metro transit service. Areas further out may not even have that, making them car dependent.
Personal vehicles are also a necessity for those who live in car-dependent areas and totally *need* a car to get to and from work. Sometimes it's not simply about getting from point A to point B; especially if getting from point A to point B means that you'll be able to sustain your family. We simply cannot say the same thing about a private jet.
what if you do have public transit but it just takes longer? is it then not a necessity?
@@BlessGodStudios My point wasn't about if you have access to public transit or not. Rather, that comparing the ownership of a personal car to a private jet isn't the same thing. And it isn't the same because you can't justify the need for owning a private jet to a personal vehicle in the same way.
If someone needs a personal vehicle to access basic things to live - job, healthcare, groceries, etc - tell me how owning a private jet compares to that?
He asks, “What can 50M to for a community?” the same question could be ask for shoes “what can $1000 for them dead stocks do for a family?” He’s not being consistent at all to me.
Bro it’s frustrating watching this. Feel like the points made are taking a private jet over this guys head.
He made his stance known before he even watched the video.
his position was judgmental...Ruslan being nice and telling him he wasnt...LOL
As someone in ministry with a growing platform and who knows others with larger platforms leaders in ministry ABSOLUTELY get bombarded in public
This dude is a straight intellectual. I pray for his wisdom.
The guest or Ruslan?
I took an Aviation management class not that long ago. It turns out if you fly alot it's actually cheaper to own one and rent it out when you don't use it.
As a preacher you have so many looking to you not in idolatry but being a shepherd. I think it’s a bad look. Wealth is fine, money for a private jet is extreme
And the guy talking about the churches needing to help the struggling members of their congregation, most of them do. I know mine does and it’s a mega church. And they help people more than once. And they have financial classes to help them, as well. But with all of this support, prayer, information, and receiving money from the church for their bills, many of them still make bad financial choices.
Everything Alan said is true. Nothing wrong with a Pastor owning a private jet. We gotta stop this false humility and poverty mentality. Its not about a Pastor being important or not, if privacy is important to a Pastor, go for it. If convenience is important, go for it. We need to stop this hypocrisy of putting men of God under a standard we don't or intend to keep ourselves, and sadly that's what am seeing in this interview with your guest. Your guest needs a proper perspective.
Maybe it’s not so much a poverty mentality but instead a mentality of being rich in Christ, and finding our joy in Him rather than material things.
Then he should let his congregation use the jet as well. Do the Lord's work
Ruslan! Love your channels, and commentary..
Totally agree with your guest! Loved this conversation ❤️
He said, “the hicks of Alabama”…here I am, living in the truest hicks of hicks of Alabama 😂😂😂
Lol! I’m from Alabama too. We do alright!
Your guest’s explanation for having a car is the exact explanation someone would have for getting a pj lol
Allen Par needs to do a reaction video to this reaction video because the guests thoughts were… as Ruslan would say… sus
Own your jet, but don't do it at the expense of your congregation and community. One of the complaints I hear is how churches don't reach back to povershed communities. It's true. Some churches are wealthy in the midst of the hood, **cough cough Detroit churches** and yet give back the bare minimum to the community. That's one of the two major issues here, the other being who's paying for it.
But pastors and teachers are to be above reproach ❤️
It's all proportional. The cell phone I'm watching on is an extreme luxury for someone in the world. May our generosity be even greater.
This topic showed how quick someone can go back and forth because of how they perceive themselves vs others.
Ruslan killed it on the back and forth. Also, congrats to you and your fam for potentially getting the space y’all need. Praying that the Lord would continue to bless you and your fam and guide you all through the proper steps and relationships.
Facts!
I agree with your boy with the beard on this one.
I think proximity should be weighted heavily when discussing this subject in the context of pastors. In my opinion, Acts points to a local church model. Based on that, I think it's problematic that the pastor is traveling so much that he needs a private jet for convenience.
One way that I think that It could actually work is if the pastor used their own private earnings outside of the tithe to purchase it.
Another argument could be "evangelism", which there can be some gray area, but from what I am seeing most of the traveling is made for "speaking gigs" of crowds made up primarily of Christians lol.
Love your boy Allen Parr though!
I love how protestant "forget" quoting Jesus on these topics.
Ohhhhhhh......nice. Amen.
This was AWESOME!!!!
I LOVE ur setup for these topics… 🙏🏽Gid Bless
This guy has logic that is so flawed hahaha thank you Ruslan for poking. Love you both still. Good conversation
I’m starting to see the bison for the new channel and this might be my favourite move Ruslan’s made. Platforming other creators and having dope conversations.
I think Mykael came across extremely well and contributed to an engaging conversation
My boy in the hat has some sense 👍🏽🔥
Right! I love Allen and Ruslan both though!
The fact you are having this conversation should show you that it’s a stumbling block to a lot of people and has a negative impact. It should be pretty clear if you’re honest and not trying to justify it for possibly your own desires to have it…