Affordable Hyperwatch You Gotta See to Believe! (Seiko Presage Series)
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- Опубликовано: 29 май 2022
- This week we talk about the upcoming Seiko Presage Craftmanship series Arita Porcelain Dial Watches, the most affordable hyperwatch you'll ever see! Don't forget to let us know what you thought in the comments, and subscribe if you want to see more.
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Just bought a casiooak so next 10 year's watch money has been spent.
Just did a few weeks ago as well and since then my zenith, my GS, my Tudor, and Oris have not seen the light of day.
@@jswede1 ;) Have you seen the day indicator move from Sat to Sun yet?
@r2l100 haha. I must have 50 straps for all my other watches. Necessity!!
@@JustMe-bx8gu have not!!! I thought about it the other day though - am I missing out?
@@jswede1 It's an itch you have to scratch 😉 ps yes it was a pleasant experience 😀 (ps2 yes I know it's sad)
As an owner of the blue Eichii II, I can vouch how deep and complex that porcelain dial is…unlike any I’ve seen; none of the pictures I’ve seen did it justice. The movement finishing is better than any watch I’ve owned and challenge anyone to find beveling deeper and more refined than this movement. The price point…well, probably not for everyone.
Congratulations on getting to own such an expensive and well crafted piece
Can I've a go..?
Fine taste 👌
Is the Credor worth the price you paid?
@@morgan97475 no
The value of the presage is great for what you get. The dial is luxurious feeling.
Funny this should pop up, I just bought a Seiko Presage Arita Porcelain SPB171 and absolutely love it. The porcelain dial is very reflective and catches the light, giving it an almost wet finish, and the dial hands have a gemstone finish, going from dark blue to bright blue when the sun hits them at the right angle. I have to say I've spent a lot of time just staring at the dial. Very pleased with my purchase, I'd do it again in a heartbeat.
do you have a big or small wrest please, mine is 170 mm and think it will be too big for my thin wrest (got big palm though)
Wearing my Credor Eichii II "GBLT997" while watching this video, The Credor is a very very amazing watch, you can see the white dial's edges disappear while moving the watch like an eclipse! The Persage is such an amazing watch for the cost though.
That would definitely be on my list of future additions to the collection. I have the SPB171J1 and the dial is exquisite. These pieces have to be seen in the flesh to be fully appreciated. There's quite a few gems in the Presage line-up and this is one of them.
I'm a huge fan of Grand Seiko and currently own two of their models. Having said that, I'm not fully on board with the Credor line price point. At what point (under X magnification) does the finishing of the case/dial/materials taper off and become only bragging rights? Obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but most Credor watches I've seen come across boring... I'll take a Lange over one.
Agreed. I own GS as well and I find the credor line boring as well. The best looking credor watches I have seen are 2nd hand and around 3k or less.
The price is right up there, and a Lange or Moser at the same price point is twice as attractive.
It’s quite literally a ripoff…
When I bought my Eichi II, I didn't consider any ALS around similar price range. After near three years, I don't regret at all.
Same. Credor leave me feeling "meh"
Also, the no date is rare for Seiko and really enhances the dial. Another winner from Seiko.
Stunning! I would most certainly purchase this Seiko, as the dial is eminently pleasing, and the hands and slight concave nature of the dial are mesmerizing. Thank you.
Ooo that's pretty! Could be tempted by this one. Wish Seiko would make more watches without the pointless date complication (especially Divers)
Excellent video, thank you Gentlemen 👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you so much Andrew for sharing this . I have seen this at a Seiko AD in Calcutta , India and I will pick it up in my next travel there for sure .
The Seiko Presage with the Arita Porcelain dial is an amazing watch for the price. The porcelain, both the white and light blue, is a beautiful material.
Ended up getting a Sarx095 after finding this vid and it was just so stunning, clean dial w/o date and symmetrical, very nice white.
I normally hate Romans on a dial, but in this case, they're thin enough to not be obnoxious (COUGH, Tudor...) and I wouldn't mind owning this Presage. Like Tom hinted at, that price point for the Seiko brand "prestige" continues to give pause.
Really appreciate you cutting these versions of your channel in half! They are very informative but IMO were too long. I LOVE that Credor blue. My god is that the most beautiful dial I have ever seen. And of course the finishing! I would love to see one in person! Also the Credor Sonnerie...grail watches! Thanks for a great channel!
I've only watched this video today and I just came back from checking out the watches at my local dealer and they had the porcelain presage and I couldn't stop thinking about your credor video
the faint blue tinted dial is amazing, this is definitely now on my, will be mine list. admittedly the look of a dial is a major priority for me, therefore this is an absolute no brainer.
Thank you so much for looking into the Seiko Arita Porcelain dial watch models! I believe they have evolved since their past iterations and the no date version maintains the integrity of the porcelain dial much better.
To look at something new, please consider the “Light Blue” Grand Seiko SBGH297 released today? Is this a coincidence or a response to the rising popularity of the Tiffany Blue colour?
that credor is incredible
You can find a lovely 1980's quartz Credor for a few hundred quid, with a fully serviceable movement and high accuracy.
yeeee, and that’s the way … of the mandalorians ! 😎
@@rhodes1591 That is the way
You put it on my radar and I’m definitely going to buy that watch. Trying to save some money but fudge it this thing is beautiful. Perfect dress watch. Nice size, no date, good looking Roman numerals, interesting crown.
I could absolutely see myself owning this watch. Seiko has absolutely been making some moves and i am completely into it. It's not easy to change a collective perception of a brand but, they've won me over BIG TIME. In my Chrono24 "Clipboard" i think i have more Seiko's, Grand Seiko's and Credor there than i do everything else combined. From expensive quartz Grand Seiko's to Credor Spring Drive models to straight up Seiko's that have amazing dials like this one you showcased here........although, it's nice to see the roman numerals on this kind of dial material. SEIKO equates to QUALITY and CRAFTSMANSHIP in my eyes now, absolutely, 100%. And if i'm being completely honest with you.....i kinda get off on the fact that when others see me wearing something with the Seiko name on it, they think it's cheaper than it is. "Ya it's just a Seiko" when little do most know, this 2022 Grand Seiko Spring Drive diver costs more than the car they're driving.
I'm all for Seiko Corporation and everything they're doing. I AM......a Seikopath.
How does 'Seikopath' not get a million upvotes?
Yes, I want one. They look lovely.
I defenitly could see one in the future in my collection. The white/blue dail is amazing
I definitely need one of these Aritas
I just bought a Presage SBP293 Arita porcelain dial, thanks guys
I'm a huge fan of their Alpinist models and that Solar Speedtimer watch. Seiko makes good watches for the most part. A lot of the cheaper Seiko and Orient automatic watches have cheap tinny feeling metal bracelets but what can you expect for the price?
That Credor movement.👌
Very nice watch. Hopefully that Presage has good water resistance. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
As a milgauss z blue owner I have just added the seiko SARW011 (enamel dial) for £700 and am just as mesmerised x the dial and overall case finishing (as I am with my Rolexes). The seiko has definitely made me fall in love with the extra X factor of an enamel dial.
I’ve never held a Credor, or even seen one in the wild. But I have been, and remain, a huge fan of the Presage and Alpinist lines. This one is very nice. I’m not a Roman numerals fan, but I like these. Thin and tall reminds me a bit of the Cellini that Mr Hands liked in a previous video. BTW, Tom is right about Seiko up-marketing. Orient will be the budget line…
I wouldn’t mind having it in my collection.
2 great looking additions to the Seiko family.
I think I’d like the blued dial on the steel bracelet.
That white porcelain dial Presage would definitely be a welcome addition to my collection. I don't care if it says Seiko on it ... could say Cabbage for all I care. It's lovely.
I've been wanting a porcelain dial for a while. I really want an Anordain. This watch is beautiful and could see this in my collection.
Tq. Pls do another version, maybe for snow flake / white birch?
Very goodlooking watch from Seiko as always,.
I think it's great that people can buy a mass produced version of a very high end hand made luxury design. I think Seiko have always been thoughtful in that way regarding accessibility...and are not stuck in the "we only made luxury products" for the very few....good on them!
Long live Seiko!!
Just a quick thing, having the reference number / full name somewhere down in the description would be helpful. A) easier for us to go and look up on the internet but also B) someone looking at reviews of this watch could find it when they search for it on youtube, at the moment your hardwork wouldn't come up!
The blue one (SPB319J1) is on my someday list - the look of it is just sublime. I do wish it was thinner, which would be more in line with the elegance of the numerals. Also wish it was cheaper, but I guess we're paying for everything that goes into making the dial.
When conversations around cost of Eichi come up it would be interesting to note that the PD Simplicity cost about £30k when it came out. And it has a lacquered dial with printed indices for the white version. Here you’re getting ceramic (not even enamel) with hand painted indices, and finishing at least as good as the Simplicity. And good luck getting a Simplicity for less than £1m now.
Thanks guys, now I know how to describe that design element in the diaI I also love; "STEP". I am however confused in regards of when to leave Presage for a GS, pricing is now making it harder, imho. A flagship within Presage series as good as an entry GS kind of argument/issue!
I quite love the presages with their different dial flavors , urushi lacquer, enamel, to porcelain. Not even GS uses it, at least off the top of my head
I try & try & try to diversify my collection, then you post a video of (another) beautiful Seiko which I am going to have to cave in & buy.
I really like the Urushi black dials.
Hyper-interested in the Seiko, especially as I am in the market for an elegant but somewhat minimalist dress watch. Thanks, guys!
I genuinely used to have a small collection of Rolex [5] and I now collect vintage Seiko 5's. I get no less pleasure out of the Sekio's
I'm super tempted by this one they are reviewing though. I tend not to wear the vintage Seikos cos if I damage them Im ruining a 50 year old mint condition watch. Thats the only drawback.
The Seiko Urushi and Shippo dial watches are great values if you're looking for amazing dialwork.
I guess the maintenance of the Credor is also more expensive than buying both versions of the Seiko and their maintenance for the next few years combined...
Thanks!
Recently I’ve felt silly for wanting a Seiko Dolce with the 8J41 quartz movement (three hands, no day or date, 10 seconds/year thermocompensated, around US$350 imported from Japan): sort of the cheap high-accuracy-quartz version of these things only less beautiful and exotic. Low-rent version of the same appeal.
I don't think you should feel silly. It's natural to progress with taste as exposure and knowledge grows, and hopefully the ability to spend too. I didn't know of the Dolce but having looked it up, it's fine on its own right. "Lesser" artistry commensurate with a lower price has its own charm and deserves respect too. Or else we'd be left with a world where only the exquisite is given value. Take your time, buy what you can or save if need be and enjoy the journey :)
Do you use a tilt shift lens
And a while ago, when I made a comment that the problem with the Credor is that, without a nice loupe, you wont be able to see why the Credor costs that much money. Some people were quick to call me out for that is my lack of "taste". Well this video proves my point. And my point was not about snobbery, but from a business point of view in branding, why Seiko struggles to sell super high end watches, because it also makes unbelievably good value entry watches. It's like selling rolls royces beside Kia's (and yeah Kia's are much more reliable than rolls royces).
Holding a solid platinum Eichi II with spring drive movement and the hand-paintdd dial doesn't require a jeweler's loupe to appreciate the fact you're holding something other than an ordinary steel Seiko.
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The one thing that annoys me about that watch is the number 4. The correct sequence is, I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, XI, XII. They have used llll, which is not a Roman Numeral. A beautiful piece, otherwise.
Gentleman, I think the un-edited versions of your conversations would make an excellent podcast. Think about it.
Would very happily own that watch.
Or the SPB113. It's an enamel dial and not porcelain, but the case shape is closer and the dial cleaner.
*I AM SUPER TEMPTED* by the leather strapped version with hint of blue
I would consider, though in that price range, I've got some Swiss offerings that keep my eye...
The movement is the difference. I got the new highbeat Citizen NB-1050 instead of the lowbeat Presage and it additionally has a sapphire crystal, polished rehaut, better bracelet and lower price.
That's a great Citizen
A friend of mine offered me a Credor years back and you will see the quality immediately the minute you hold it. Unfortunately, no budget for it. On a different topic and i hope you can give some info about Citizen as a company now and before. I own some of their flyback models and i maybe wrong but i dont see much citizens that can match their vintage lineup. Thanks in advance!!
Seiko also have some very nice limited edition lacquered dial watches.
Commenting just to show some love. Personally I’d buy a Seiko diver but their dressier stuff doesn’t interest me
Can someone tell me the model number for this porcelain presage? Please and thank you.
I like the idea of porcelain dials. But if I were to look for a simple white blue dial, I'd probably go for Tudor 1926
Between Pulsar, Lorus and Orient, which brand will move into the affordable slot vacated by Seiko?
The Presage case shape is very much like the old Seiko Presage that I got from my dad. The dials are very different.
I think Seiko accepts that they can offer this watch but they know as watch people we can never settle. We see our similar Seiko and deep in our hearts we want the credor and if you want it so much you strive for it.
I love the Credor because of the anglage and overall superior finishing of the movement, the Seiko offers none of this so the title of the video is kinda silly
I think the Seiko, Grand Seiko, Credor model is like the marketing used in the automotive industry: Want a Maybach but can't afford it? Mercedes have a multitude of models and options that "makes" you think you have a part of Maybach. I'm not a fan of of the roman numerals on the Presage (or any other watches with roman numerals), but I have seen other stunning Presages with ceramic dials. Check out the ones with Urushi lacquer.
If you like value porcelain, look at Tisell from Korea. Very budget, but also a good price for good looking watches.
So what is the model number of this Seiko Presage that is on screen... please???
I check Seiko dealer in Taiwan, The enamel made first, then print the mark numaber the others on the enamel. Not like the old watch made. Printing under the enamel.
What model presage is that?
All hail Seiko!
I bought one today and massively discounted. It's certainly more comfortable than my Rolex and there's little chance of me getting mugged for it! It's very pleasing to the eyes. My first Seiko.
What is a “massive discount” on one of these?
These watch dials are hand painted Seiko Presage Craftsmanship Series: 'Kanzawa' Urushi 40.5mm
Very nice impressive watches, but I recently bought a (vintage) Seiko 68-6020 ultra thin dresswatch for less money. And that has inside the 68A movement that was handcrafted by the best Seiko artists . Still these new Presage watches are priced very reasonable, no issue.
The Credor logo looks pretty rough around the edges at not too much zoom.
It's written by hand.
Why does it represent "4" with IIII instead of IV? I've seen other watches do the same.
Reminds me of the Presage Hi beat GMT, great value, undermines the GS version but I dont care, Im gonna buy it. 🤣
I saw this for £750 and had it earmarked for my bonus. Looks like that’ll change now you’ve posted it, hah.
The Seiko is very nice for the price. But the “dish” in the center of the dial reminds me of a tiny China plate…not sure if that’s a good or bad thing 🤔 I do wish though, that this line of watches would shrink to a more dress watch appropriate 38mm rather than 40mm.
Just wondering, if the credor has a spring drive. Why doesn’t seiko use one of their spring drives for this “copy”?
Seriously why release it as a Seiko and not Grand Seiko?
@@eyeheartsushi2212 Given the copyesk nature I would personally stick with seiko.
I actually prefer the swept lugs over the 3-part case style ones we see on the Credor. They should lose the Roman numerals tho.
Tudor, for sure.
Hello thank you very much for amazing unique videos
Would you please send me the name and number of the seiko presage
Thanks
Is this seiko's equivalent of the moonwatch/moonswatch saga?
Hahaha
Do you answer questions posed?
I'll go for Tudor instead on a general principle.
It's a beautiful thing.......
Credor: worths every penny
I have just totally fallen for these watches, and I can see one in my collection. But which one 🤔.
Until I can see them in the flesh I cannot choose.
Something that has always puzzled me: anybody out there know why the Latin 4 on watches is always written as IIII and not IV?
Symmetry, disrespect to Jupiter, lazy watch makers. I tried posting a link but there are a few reasons as to possibly why. You can Google and the results should show.
Presage ceramic plate dial
Hodor?
I can see myself buying the blue dial Seiko…
It's a beautiful watch but the "Presage" and "Automatic" texting is completely abundant (that goes for all watches who put Automatic on their dials.)
If they're going for Eichi language why not delete the "Presage" and "Automatic" references?
To me, Seiko doesn’t really know whether it’s an up market brand or volume seller, sort of like Honda with the NSX and Jazz.